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Ozone Therapy and electron movement
Who is the godfather of Ozone (hint: he is Italian)
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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to another episode in English withthe Alchemist. To day, we are
going to have our coffee very longone. It's almost two hours long with
daughter Frank Schallenberger, fondly known asdoctor Ozone the Door. Schallenberger has been

(00:21):
a practicing physician for nearly fifty years, both in the fields of conventional medicine
and alternative homeopathic integrative medicine. Hehas revolutionized the practice of anti aging and
preventive medicine by developing a patented methodto measure mitochondrial function, metabolism, and

(00:45):
oxygen utilization. He is also consideredthe leading expert of medical ozone therapy in
the United States, and we willdiscover that he has studied a little bit
in Italy too. During this episoderecorded in twenty twenty, we will discover
more about the eight secrets on hisbook Persting with Energy. We will talk

(01:08):
about the energy, mitochondrial energy,longevity, anti aging. Sure, we
will talk about type two daypeties andalso therapyan much much more. The coffee
is almost ready, so let's goand have a coffee with doctor Frank Shannenberger.
Enjoy it. First of all,thank you for being here as a

(01:34):
guest. I'm really pleased to haveyou here, and this is the second
time we meet. The first timeI called you almost a couple of years
ago, has to talk about yourbio energy testing. We will go over
everything today. I hope we willhave time to do it. So,
doctor Schaldenburger, you are licensed asmedical doctor, nomopathic medical doctor. I

(02:00):
have a lot of notes here withme. Pioneer in the clinic application of
oxidative medicine. So you're also knownas a doctor ozone and you're the founder
and medical director of the Nevada Centerof Alternative Anti Aging Medicine. It's correct,
that's right. Okay, So thereis plenty of things to say about

(02:27):
you, but I'm really really curiousto go over one of your latest books,
which is bursting with energy. Justthe first first question, just to
talk a little bit about you andhow you moved towards this path of a

(02:49):
sort of alternative medicine. Yes,so it started a long time ago,
and I graduated from medical school,and you know, I went into regular
medicine and I was only doing itfor a couple of years, and I
realized that it had just so manylimitations. So that's when I started to

(03:12):
look for other options, start thinkingoutside of the box, so to speak,
and I discovered that there's a wholeworld of things that they just don't
teach in medical school. In medicalschool, you tend to think you know
everything, and then you get outof medical school and if you look around,
you realize, actually you don't knowvery much. And so that's how
I kind of got set on thisquest of learning about other ways. How

(03:36):
does the body work, and whatcan we do from a natural perspective to
keep ourselves healthy. I'm mostly interestedin preventing disease. That's really my interest.
A perfect day at the office forme would be where everybody that comes
in is healthy and just wants tostay that way. But also, obviously
we have to treat sick people,so I try to find natural is to

(04:00):
treat sick people. Great, great, yeah, full fully in line.
And but in your your book youstart with your just your story and you
talk about the difference between the chronicand acute disease, and then your experience
with Linus Pauling, and uh,can you please explain a little bit for

(04:24):
our for our listeners, the differencebetween the chronic and acute disease and why
you were able to cure with thetraditional medicine acute but not chronic. Yes,
that's a really good point. Acutedisease is when the disease more or
less comes on suddenly, and acutecondition is suddenly comes on suddenly, and

(04:46):
it's usually due to say an infection, maybe a flu, a cold,
a pneumonia, maybe uh, maybeit's an allergy. But it's something that's
gonna go away. It's not goingto stay there. A chronic condition is
a condition that doesn't go away.And normally you get chronic conditions. You

(05:08):
know, as you get over theage of forty, you start to things
like diabetes, cancer, heart disease. These are chronic conditions. They don't
go away on their own. Theacute conditions, if you just treat the
symptoms and have the patient rest,it will go away on its own't But
the chronic conditions don't go away,And then you have to ask the question

(05:28):
why don't they go away? Andthe reason is because there's a breakdown in
the way the body works. Soyou got to figure out what's broken down,
fix that and then the chronic conditioncan go away. Your face also
in your book aging engine process.It's full of information. Your book is
a plate. Everything is very inNext to the biohacking movement, it's a

(05:53):
lot of things in common. Youalso have eight secrets for energy. Well,
we will say afterward, but firstof all, coming back to aging,
what is the definition of traditional definitionof aging and what do you think
we can do for aging? Well, when you know, when most people

(06:14):
talk about aging, they talk aboutgetting older. That's not what we talk
about in medicine. When we talkabout aging, we talk about losing function.
So that if you are, forexample, if you're a thirty year
old man and ten years later you'rea forty year old man. From unless
you're some kind of athlete, you'renot really going to lose any function.

(06:38):
You're going to be just as goodat forty as you were at thirty.
Then you go from forty to fifty, maybe you start to lose a little
function, And you go from fiftyto sixty, you start to lose more
function, sixty to seventy even more. And so when we're looking at function,
and the idea is to get tobe really old, eighty or ninety

(07:00):
years old, and still function similarlyto the way you function when you were
younger. That's great. Among thedifferent theories that are behind the what is
the cause of aging? There aredifferent theories, and you have focused on
one theory in particular, the energydeficit theory and the eo MD, which

(07:23):
is what I would translate for thelisteners. But can you please a little
bit about your why you focus onspecific on this, So you want to
know what's the difference between a fortyyear old and a set this increase in
the or decrease in the in functionalitythat accelerates as we get older. Why

(07:46):
And the answer is the bottom lineis you don't process oxygen officially. So
we have a whole system system thatprocesses oxygen in ourselves. They're called mitochondria,
right, And so all that oxygenthat we breathe in, listeners should
understand that that oxygen only does onething. It just provides energy. That's

(08:09):
it. So all that oxygen I'mbreathing in, I've got to process that
into energy. That's what my bodyuses, my cells use to function.
If I don't do that, well, the cells don't get the energy they
require and the functionality decreases. Andthat is the that's the beginning of the

(08:31):
aging process, and it just getsworse as you get older because as you
get older, a lot of differingshappen, and I talked about that in
the book to explain why that is. But the most important thing in my
viewpoint is to measure how efficiently aperson is processing oxygen. So you know,

(08:54):
if you're an eighty year old manand you're processing oxygen as good as
a thirty five year old man,well you're basically fully functional. You're not
going to have anything go wrong withyou. Similarly, if you're a thirty
five year old man and you're processingoxygen like an eighty year old man,
your future looks very bad. Sowhat we want to do is measure.

(09:18):
In medicine is so important to measure. If you don't measure something, you
don't really know what you're doing.It's like driving around without a map.
You don't know what you're doing.You don't know if what you're doing is
working, you don't know if you'regoing in the right direction. So we
have to measure. So that's whatgot me all excited because like about twenty

(09:39):
years ago, I developed the systemto measure how people were using oxygen,
and I learned a lot from doingthat over the last twenty years. Yeah,
yeah, it's great and there isstill on YouTube a few videos.
It's all about energy, and theUS plain that with his lecture, I
think is for parts you go throughall the elements that are part of the

(10:03):
bio energy testing method. I thinkwe we will go deeper and in a
while, but so you start withthe energy, which is the core and
everything around. So obesity is alsoa consequence of the poor energy management carbon
carbon diet, and we will wewill see. And the interesting thing in

(10:26):
your book you go through different elementsfrom food to supplements to hormone and sleep
and so the meditation, stress managementand so on. So I really like
also your blue plate special diet.Are you following this this kind of diet

(10:48):
or nutritional you know? Really,what I've learned about diet is you can
kind of think about it in twoways. One way is you just want
to eat healthy, natural foods.Stay away from the junk food, stay
away from the processed foods, wholevegetables, whole fruit, whole meat,

(11:11):
whatever it is you want to eat, but make sure that it's good quality
foods. That's part number one.Part number two is to determine whether you
are your body does well with carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are potentially the big problem for
people. Some of us can toleratelots of carbohydrates and do really well with

(11:33):
carbohydrates. Some of us shouldn't haveany carbohydrates at all, almost and so
you have to be able to determinethat. So number one, eat really
healthy food, but number two,figure out whether you're one of those people
that has to limit carbohydrates or you'reone of those people that should actually make
sure they eat some carbohydrates on aregular basis. Yeah, that is really

(11:56):
important because people most of the timewe're looking over the internet over the fat
diet of the moment of the yeahfriend, they say, okay, I
go this way, which is aketogenic diet paliodet that can may be good
or maybe not because we don't know. As you mentioned, it's important to
quantify to measure things. And thenthe bio energy test is I think related

(12:20):
to CARBA. You have the Cfactors, am I right? Yeah,
we have the C factor which basicallyis measuring the C factor measures how efficiently
you burn fat. That's measuring Icall it a C factory for the sea
stands for carbohydrate. But I callit a C factor because the fact is,
if I if I get you in, for example, and I test

(12:43):
you, and you're burning fat reallywell, and then I give you a
piece of bread to eat, andI bring you back in thirty minutes and
I test you again, You're notgonna burn any fat at all. The
what I've learned is that eating carbonhydrates completely suppresses bat metabolism. Now,

(13:03):
and some people that's okay, that'snot a problem, and we can talk
a little bit about why that is. But in other people that's a big
problem. And so we can usethat C factor to determine whether or not
you're a person that should eat alot of carbs or a person that should
stay away for carbs. How areyou doing overall? Yeah, and the
C factor is one of the outputsfront of the bio energy testing. Yeah,

(13:28):
there are many models that we willsee in a while. And then
you go so from diet to exercise, you have I think you talk about
circuit training and FBR, So whatkind of exercise or things are you still
in line with those? Yeah?Yeah, pretty much. And you know,
things change all the time, andwe learn a little bit more about

(13:50):
By the way, I've just rewrittenthe book. So we got a new
edition of this book coming out.I'm going to say in two or three
months, which I just rewrote updated. It's been almost fifteen years since.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect, that's cool.
This is a good thing. It'snot available in Italian yet. The first
version of so you talk about thensleep, sunlight, the importance of the

(14:13):
sun and water, and so let'slet's go now deepen into the bio energy
testing so called EQ. So whatyou and briefly, I know that this
is a school take entire hour,but your third we can we can actually
make it kind of simple. Yeah. Basically, you and I are breathing,

(14:37):
we're breeding in and out. We'retaking oxygen in and if we're processing
the oxygen, we're gonna make carbondioxide. Yeah. So I measure how
much oxygen a person is breeding inand how much oxygen they're breeding when they
exhale, and the difference is howmuch oxygen might consume. Right, So

(15:03):
that much oxygen in, that muchoxygen out. The difference is how much
oxygen the body actually processed. SoI look at that difference and if it's
a big difference. That means thatthe body processed a lot of oxygen,
and that's what I want to see. I want to see. So what
I do is I measure how muchoxygen the person is processing, and then

(15:26):
I compare that to other age groups. So let's say you got a seventy
year old man, I'm gonna lookat his oxygen consumption and he might be
consuming the same amount of oxygen theaverage thirty five year old man, in
which case that's great. And that'sthat's what I call an energy quotion.
I compare the amount of oxygen thatan older person is consuming to what is

(15:52):
typical for a younger person, andI want it to be the same.
If if the energy quot is onehundred, that means that the person is
consuming oxygen and processing it along thelines of a healthy young person, and
that would be the goal. That'dbe one hundred. If you get an
energy question from one hundred, thatmeans you're equal to a young person.

(16:14):
If you get an energy question fromone hundred and forty, that means you're
even better than a younger person.You're you know, not the median person,
but you're you're high on the oxygenconsumption. Then the other thing we
look at is how much carbon dioxideyou put out, because because when you
burn oxygen efficiently, when you consumeefficiently in the body, you have less

(16:37):
carbon dioxide going out. When youcan consume it with oxygen inefficiently, you
have more carbon dioxide going out.So I look at that ratio between carbon
dioxide and oxygen, and that tellsme how efficient you're processing oxygen. So
I know two things now, Numberone, how much oxygen you can process.

(17:00):
In other words, how many mitochondriado you actually have, and number
two, how well are they working? And based upon those things, if
you're mitochondria and not working well oryou don't have very many mitochondria, I
know you have a problem and wehave to work on that and figure out
what we need to do to improvethat verstly. If I measure and your

(17:26):
mitochondria are processing oxygen efficiently and alot of oxygen, I can say whatever
you're doing is great. If you'rea vegan and you're doing that, it's
great. If your a ketogenic dietand you're doing that, that's great for
you. So you can find outif you don't exercise it all and you
do well then that's fine. Soit's a way of being able to determine

(17:49):
how each individual person is doing.Because we're all so different, you can't
have a program it's going to workfor everybody. So you've got to have
a way of following and figuring outwhat each individual person needs. And this
is the best way to do that. I think, yeah, yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, of course, because it's pretty clear. I also

(18:11):
it's also load the way you explainthings because it's very clear and understandable now
the majority of people, so thisis this is something you need to know
that. And so among the differentparameters coming out from the test, so
the we have C factor, Mfactor we will maybe see after a while,
and while you also the what aboutanaerobic threashold heart rate? Yes,

(18:37):
so so what we do is weput people on a bicycle and we and
the bicycle makes it work harder andharder. And as they're working harder and
harder on the bicycle, they're consumingmore and more oxygen, right, and
so the oxygen consumption goes up up, up, up up up up up,
but at some point it levels off. So that's their maximum of to

(19:00):
consume oxygen. So what we dois we find that point and we look
and see what their heart rate is. So let's say that somebody, once
they reach that point of maximum oxygen, they can't absorb any more oxygen their
heart rate to say one hundred andforty. So that point is what we
call the anaerobic threshold. At thatpoint, if they exercise harder than that

(19:22):
point, If they exercise so theirheart rate goes above one hundred and forty,
for example, they're now potentially doingsome damage to their mitochondria. So
we don't want any sustained activity overthat point. However, we want short
bursts of activity over that point becausethose short bursts are going to make that

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point go higher and make them moreefficiently. So we can use the data
on that test to establish the perfectexercise program for somebody, which is pretty
much critical for people over the ageof forty is certainly forty five. Almost
everybody needs to be on some sortof aerobic conditioning program in order to maintain

(20:07):
its numbers. And this is away of dialing that program in. Yeah,
instead of using the formula with theage number and numbers, which doesn't
work. You know, it justdoesn't work. Yeah, exactly, no
good. This is a practically asource of view two max. Is a
view two test with somebody. It'snot technically speaking, it's not actually VEEO

(20:30):
two max, but you're right,it's very similar to that. Now,
and then you another thing to say, This test has to be repeated because
this point over time changes is notfixed there and then forever. So the
more conditioned you are you are,the more efficiently you burn oxygen, and

(20:52):
then mitochondria, genesis, and soon and so forth. Typically speaking,
as we get older, the oxygenconsumption goes down steadily down. So if
I can get a test on younow and then do a test in a
year and test a year after thatand see that it's not going down,

(21:15):
that's good. That's what we're lookingfor. Yeah, so you follow you
in your experience your clients, Soyou follow clients for months years, you
know. Yeah, yeah, wellyou know typically every year somebody every one
or two years, you should havethis check so you can see what it's
doing. Cool. Cool, Soand going again to your book for the

(21:38):
new version, are the eight secretsstill eight or say? Yeah, yeah,
the secrets are still the same,but there's just different ways of doing
them. In different ways of lookingat and more information to cool. Cool.
Yeah. So yeah, just forto go over quickly away of water

(22:03):
for detoxification and a lot of otherstuff deuterium depleted water. So yeah,
what do you think about this?I think it's really interesting, but I
don't a little bit about it.I can't really comment much. I haven't
experimented with it. But that doesbring up one good point, and that

(22:25):
is if when you're looking at somethinglike deuterium water or deuterium depleted water,
this is a good way to assessthat. So let's say, let's say
I get you in and I doa test on you, and you score
such and such a number. Yourenergy quotion is such and such a number.
Then I have you go out fora say three months and depleted water

(22:48):
and bring back and retesting. Ifyour numbers got a lot better, that
means that was really good for you. If your numbers didn't get any better,
that means it's not really doing muchanything for you. Yeah. Clear,
clear. So it's a good wayto monitor thing new things like what
you're just talking about. How longdoes it take our test typically say thirty

(23:14):
five forty minutes something like that.O clear. Okay, I will post
in the show notes all the detailsof all the links. I don't know
I really in Europe we have facilitiesor I have no idea though no clue.
I would love to have somebody establisha testing center over in Europe,
because I do have a fair numberof Europeans that call me about that.

(23:37):
But there's nobody over there doing itright now. Only here in the United
States we have We have one inMexico, We've got one in Hong Kong,
and I'm not sure where else,but nothing in Europe yet. But
you need a special equipment. Youneed a computer with a software where what

(23:59):
kind of stuff you need it's it'sit's you need an analyzer to analyze the
oxygen and the carbon dioxide, whichis you know, fairly small, it's
not big. And then uh,and then you need a special bicycle that
connects to the computer and the analyzer. And it's just a laptop computer.

(24:21):
And so the second secret is restGoing to your book is very simple,
easy to understand, actionable items andlooking at the secrets are not really huge
astronomical space stuff. So but it'simportant because almost everything all are forgotten,
are taken by everyone so rest isreally important, and you you have some

(24:48):
tips and going to rest. Youtalk about melatonin, which is very,
very, very important. It's notjust a peel to slip, but it's
hormoney. What are your thoughts ofmelotony and supplementation? Boy, I tell
you what, Over the last sevenor eight years, I've learned so much
about melatonin, and as you asyou point out, it goes way beyond

(25:11):
what ordinarily I used to think aboutin the sense of, you know,
everybody knows that it helps to sleep, but I don't know that people really
understand how important it is on theone hand, and also how low it
gets as you get older. Sorry, from about the age of forty,
it's it's incredibly low. By thetime you reach the age of seventy,

(25:36):
it's about one fiftieth one fiftieth ofwhat it used to be when you were
younger, And it's so critically importantto prevent Are you hearing me? Okay?
By the way, yeah, it'sa little bit scatter, but yeah,
I can't follow you, okay,because yeah, yeah, And so

(25:56):
melatonin, in my mind, mightbe a single most important supplement anybody could
ever take to combat the aging processand incidentally, it induces deep sleep.
So when you and I go outand we work out, and we just
work and we do all the thingsthat we do in our life, our

(26:18):
body comes slight. We could usethe term damage. We say it comes
slightly damage. So it's overworked.We need to not rest, so can
we co create and repair itself andthat rest. Melatonin plays a critical role
in making sure we get into thatdeep level of sleep that repairs the body.

(26:40):
Otherwise we don't. Every day thebody is slowly get more and more
damaged, and that's where melatonin canbe so helpful and also just good sleeping
happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, as you point out
the eight secrets, they're not reallysecrets. Everybody knows about them. The

(27:00):
thing is, most people, youknow, they're they're looking for a pill
or a vitamin, or an herbor some magnet or some kind of special
thing, which is fine, butthey're forgetting the very basics. And you
can't. If you don't cover thebasics, nothing else is going to happen.
You've got to cover the basis.If if you could have the healthiest

(27:22):
lifestyle in the world, if you'renot getting adequate sleep, you're gonna have
a big problem. Yeah. Yeah, all the hate cigrets if you don't
have enough and if you replace.For example, number three is the sunlight.
Okay for people living for example,I spent almost three years in the
north North Europe. Year winter isbasically dark darkness. Yeah, it's very

(27:45):
hard. So I had I hadto replace and to do some with some
hawks and also improving vitam in thesupplementation omega tree and some additional lights to
simulate also term of for depression stuff. But sunlight is free, it's easy.

(28:07):
But again we are forgetting all thesebasics because we live in office buildings
close and this is also in thispandemic is also an issue. Yeah,
yeah, definitely. Yeah. Sothen you you go over the secret flour
is a supplement and you have alist of various supplements. And I really

(28:30):
appreciate the fact that you have underyour brand, uh the suplementation you have
super fat I think super fat andquick quick. Yes, And but again
I do appreciate you say, Okay, you don't need to buy this.
There is a list of ingredients withquantities at the end of the book.
So it is this is great,but and you suggest also when to take,

(28:53):
how to take, and why youhave to take, like the talks
for the liver in the morning.So this is still valid. All these
protocols are still okay, yeah,we really haven't changed that. That's a
very basic formula. It's a formulathat uh more or less everybody can benefit
from. It's not totally complete foreverybody. Certain people are going to need

(29:18):
things that are not in that formula. But I made the formula such that
everything in that formula is something thatpretty much everybody can Yeah. Yeah,
it's said. Also the quantities,Remember the quantities are not just random quantities.
It's perfect. I will check itout. I don't think. I

(29:41):
don't know if you are shipping tothe yet outside internationally, yeah, you
know, you can't get it.You can go to Advanced bio Nutritionals.
Yeah, they sell it there andthey do ship over around the world.
Perfect. And so then Secret fiveis food of course, and you have

(30:03):
the simple guide for food selection,which is don't buy anything with an ingredient
label. Again, this is thisis just funny, but it's real.
And then and then after after yousay, okay, read the label,
because we need to understand that notall fats are created equal and then and
so on and so on, andthen you talk about fasting. We had

(30:25):
among our guests nutritionists in Italy applyingalso dry fast for a certain a window
period of time, so drive fast, no water, no liquids. But
there are also others that intermittent fastingis another way of fasting or simulating and
fasting. So what do you thinkyour approach and if you do it,

(30:45):
if you do it, yes,you know I have to personally, I
have to be careful with fasting becauseI lose weight too fast. My particular
metabolism is very efficient and burning fatand if I don't eat, I will
lose weight. But I typically liketo do a twenty four hour fast once

(31:06):
a week. Once a week,okay, well you know I have breakfast,
wrote big breakfast, and then butno lunch or dinner, and so
I don't eat anything. I drinkwater, but I don't have any calories
until breakfast the following day. AndI think once a week that's really good
for you. Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah. We have also people
working with the doctor Valter Longo withthe of mimicking that fasting, mimicking diet,

(31:30):
and there are different ways of approachingand it's a great idea. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, of course,starting to do twenty four hour fasting
from one day to the other,it's not really nice. I mean,
but there are plenty of techniques.So you can do sixteen eight, then
you do twenty yeah, then youdo different ways. Still you do twenty

(31:52):
four hours fasting and then or onceper week, once per month, and
then people will realize our beneficial becausein terms of reaching genovation, it's not
only losing pat it's just uh,it's regenerating. The body is killing damaged
cells. There's a lot of stuffdoing. Yeah. And then so your

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diet is a change or what kindof diet you follow me personally? Yes,
yes, yeah, yeah, uhso I have. It's relatively low
carbohydrates. I like to eat carbohydratesin the morning. That works very well
for me. Uh, but mostlyit's slow. You know what, I

(32:36):
don't eat a lot of food.When I do eat, I just eat
small amounts of food and I justmonitor my weight and I do a lot
of working out, a lot ofresistance training, a lot of aerobic training,
and I just try and keep thatbalance. But you know that you
just don't in this modern world thereis a big tendency for all of us

(33:00):
to eat more than we really need, and that turns out to be an
unhealthy way to go. So Ieat everything. I'll eat fish, I
eat meat, I have butter avocadoswherever. It doesn't matter to me.
I just don't eat donuts. Idon't eat chips. You know. I'll
have some alcohol. I'll drink wine. I'll drink some liquor, but no

(33:23):
cokes, no sodas, no chocolatecakes. Maybe on somebody's birthday, you
know. But it's a pretty reasonabletype of diet. It's not like real
special, just clean. I'm fullyin line with this after I tried a
lot, from vegan to quito tobut then after a few years, I

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realized that, okay, eat reasonablefirst of all the quantities. This is
a matter of how we live todayin this world of eating. In front
of PC working and said, weneed some relax first. And you then
you talk about in your book aboutosteoporosis and the five ten rule. You

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remember, yes, yeah, okay, it's funny. I was just thinking
to that rule this morning. Ohyeah, Well, I was doing my
exercise and I was doing my setups, and I started to do the setups,
and I thought to myself, youknow, I don't want to do
this. I just don't feel likedoing the darn setups. I don't every

(34:31):
day. I don't want to dothe setups. And that happens to me
a lot, and I imagine ithands to a lot of people. They
come up to their exercise time,they know they should do it, but
they just they're sort of resistant todoing it. So I felt for myself.
I felt the five ten rule,which means that I don't care how
much I don't want exercise, Icould to make myself do it for at

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least five minutes. Yeah, ifat the end of the five minutes I
feel worse, then I get tostop. I don't have to do it
anymore. Okay, I get toquit. So that allows me to go
into it thinking, you know what, if I hate this, I get

(35:15):
to stop. But if at theend of five minutes I don't feel any
worse, I have to do fivemore minutes. Now at the end of
the ten minutes, if I don'tfeel better and glad I did the exercise,
then I get to quit. Butit's surprising, no matter how resistant

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I am to doing the exercise prettymuch every time. That'll get me through
it, and I'll do it forme. It's a great little rule,
always great for sure. This isI would like them to test how many
listeners will apply this rule, whichis that are a different variation I heard

(35:58):
about to do one push up andthen after one Okay, as we are
here, something like that exactly,that's the same idea. The biggest thing
is just started. Okay, Solet's talk about breathing. So are you
aware that we are talking a lotin our show about good breathing techniques.

(36:23):
We have you ever heard about whimoff method? Oh? Yeah, yeah
for sure. Yeah. And inyour book you differentiate between two types of
breathing. Can you please go indetail? So okay, yeah, So,
so one way to breathe is toexpand the muscles of your chest and

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and that kind of breathing you thechest comes off. That's called chest well
breathing. Then the other kind ofbreathing is where the chest doesn't actually move
and you're opening the lungs by pullingdown on the diaphragm so your belly sticks
out. So people people can knowthis and recognize this if they just lay

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down flat on their back, andwhen you're flat on, you can't move
your chest much, so you canbreathe almost entirely from your belly. And
you can see how every time youinhale, the belly goes out, every
time you exhale, the belly goesback in. And that's an example of
what belly breathing or you know,technically we call it diaper from diaphragm that

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feels the lower part of the thatfeels the lower part of the lungs.
The chest wall breathing is something wemostly do when we're standing up, and
that's when we lift the chest upand that's going to feel the upper part
of the lungs. So if youwant to get a comple complete breath,
you want to fill both the upperpart and the lower part. So you

(38:04):
got to have a sense of learningto teach yourself this because most people don't
know how to do this. Youknow, who knows how to do it
would be like musicians especially, youknow, people like marks, the singers
because they have completely full of airor carried on notes, so they know
how to do. Most of us, you know, we mostly just do

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chest well breathing. We don't dothe belly breathing, and the problem this
is because we don't fill the bottomfor the lungs. It tends to make
you nervous. If you're doing chestwell breathing and you know, I tell
my patience you can experience this.Just do about two or three chest well
breathes and see how you feel interms of you know, how calmony you

(38:52):
are, how blacks you are.And then once they try three or four
breathing with the diaphragm and not movingthe chest at all, and I coll
my patients, go get a belt, put it around your chest, turn
it up so you can't dark chest, and then you don't make from your
belly. And then just reading aboutabout three times and see what it does

(39:15):
to your nervous system. And you'llsee it actually calms it down. And
this is especially important for people whohave tendencies to panic attacks, tendencies to
just nervousness and anxiety, especially thingsto do with like asthma, the hard
to breathe. If they learn thisvalue reading technique, it will be really
helpful for them. And then forpeople like you and me, they don't

(39:37):
really have a problem that way.It's it's a great way to learn to
do it when you're exercising. Andwhen I cast people for oxygen consumption,
I can put them on a sheetand see how they do, and they'll
teach them how to do this syepragmatic reading, bring them back. That's
how you just teach them how todo that. You bet it on the

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'sright, And I give you just a
little bit. I think the connectionis not perfect anyway, but I fully
understand. And this is a visuoustricle. So if I'm stress of stress,
I tend to to do chest wellbreathing, which is bad because it's increasing
my stress of physiologically. So it'sa loop. So yeah, and exactly,

(40:28):
your chest well breathed, you getanxious, you get anxious, you
chest well breathed more. Exactly exactly, and you you suggest suggest that I
see, but very effective. Nosolution is a technique. It's a box
breathing. Is you you you youmentioned squares breeding in squares I was actually

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work well, it's it's like thisand this is more for people who are
you know, having a panic attackor attack characteristic attack because you feel like
you can't breathe. Now the realityis a problem really really can't breathe.

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But the nature of a panic attackis you feel that you can't breathe.
And so because you think you can'tbreathe, you start to accelerate your breathing
and you start to breathe more fromthe chest. So this breathing and squaresaying,
what it does is it stops that. And so if you learn this,
if you have a tendency and anxiety, especially panic attacks, you need

(41:35):
to learn this this technique so thatat the earliest onset when you start thinking,
oh my goodness, I think I'mgoing into a panic attack, and
you can start doing this and it'llstop the panic attack from development. It
just it won't let you if youdo that technique, it won't let you
breathe excessively from your chest. Clearclear? Is it? Basically you can

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do We can do four seconds forI don't know, four seconds or five
seconds. It's depends on the situationyou are. The count is not nearly
as important, but it's kind oflike that. So you take four seconds
to breathe in reading four seconds,then you hold it for four seconds,
then you read out over four seconds, then you hold it for four seconds.

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After you read out and you breathein for four seconds. That process
for some bach to really call peopledown and get rid of this this this
fear that they have that they're goingto stop breathing. It's something also linked
to the coherence is. I havea few apps about HRV and coherence.

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So breathing this way it helps toalign brain and heart in some ways.
It's really interesting and effective. Inparticularly it's free. It's also free.
We like free stuff, yes,But and last, but not least,

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and this is a very very complextopic. It's about bioidentical or monal replacement.
So I know that you have beenapplying this technique and there are a
lot of technicalities and that. So, but briefly, in your experience,
why you're doing this, Why thebio identical and not the other the other

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ones, and the and the maineffects you you notice on your pasion zone.
Well, okay, so let's startwith why bioidentical hormone? Where are
bioidentical hormones and why are they betterthan drugs? And so of people,
but a truck anything, it's naturallyso it's already in the human body or

(43:58):
even in a plant or in ananimal. Really it doesn't matter. They
cannot get a patent on it.And drug companies are all about getting patents.
That's how they make their living,that's how they make their profits by
getting patents. But you can't geta patent on a natural substance, which
is why, unfortunately it's a badrule, but which is why they're not

(44:21):
interested in anything natural. So theyjust want to do something that they can
make a profit on. So whathappens is you and I get older.
It's just a fact of life.It's not you know, if we're going
to become deficient in our hormones.It's just a matter of when. For
some of us it'll be later,for some of us it will be sooner.

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But at some point in our liveswe're going to start becoming efficient in
any one of what eight or ninedifferent hormones. And so when that happens,
you got your choice. You canlearn to live with hormone deficiency or
you can say, you know what, I'm not going to live with hormone
deficiency. I'm gonna take some hormonesin my body, typically as a as

(45:06):
a cream on your body gets absorbedthrough the skin, or you could do
it by injection different ways of doingit. But I'm going to take the
hormones in and even though I'm old, I'm gonna keep my hormone levels as
though they were young, similar toit when it was when I was younger.
Now, the positive aspect of doingthat is that you're gonna feel and

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behave like you did when you wereyounger. You'll and especially you'll maintain your
lean body mass. A lot aboutthis is lean body mass, bones and
muscles, skin, hair. Youknow, everybody as you get older,
at some point you start losing yourmuscles. All you gotta do is look
in the mirror and you can seethat you're gonna you can lose your hair,
you lose your skin, starts togo bad, and so forth and

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so on. So the hormones tendto offset that and give you a better
quality of life as you're getting older. Yeah, sort when you you think
is good to act in proctically theI mean age in terms of age or
as a result of a one sometests, which one, Yeah, you

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know, and that's a great question. Uh, And I don't know that
I actually cover this in the book. I can't remember, Like I just
rewrote the book. That's one ofthe things that I added to the book,
it's some new discoveries, and thathas to do with hormone receptors.
So the way hormones work is theygo up to a cell. They're molecule.

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They go up to the cell andthey interact with a molecule on the
surface of the cell, on theoutside of the cell, and we call
that molecular receptor. Now, eachhormone has a specific receptor molecule. So
let's just let's just talk about estrogen. For example. Men make estrogen too,
by the way, but of courseit's it's the major hormone for women.

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And so the estrogen molecule will goup to the cell and find that
receptor molecule, interact with that receptmolecule, and that interaction then causes changes
inside the cell. Okay, Soso when we go do a blood test
or a saliva test, or reallyany kind of test, we're testing for

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the amount of the hormone present.But there is no way to test for
the amount of receptors present. Andso this makes the problem. And the
problem is you could easily have alot of the hormone but very few receptors,
which gets you to ficion even thoughyou have a lot of the hormone.

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Simultaneously, you could have just alittle bit of the hormone, a
very low level of the hormone,but so many receptors that it makes up
for that and you're totally okay.So just looking at hormone levels, no
matter how it is with blood,saliva, urine, it doesn't matter,
is really only giving you half thepicture of what's really going on. So

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it's handy to look at hormone levels, and we all do that, but
I want everybody to know that justbecause your hormone levels are in the range
called normal, doesn't mean that youhave enough of the hormone, because you
may be deficient on receptors, youmay be a lot And if you look
at the hormone levels, you'll seethat that's true. Hormone normal hormone ranges

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are just huge, They're very wide. So why is it that somebody could
be totally normal and have a hugeamount of hormone and the other person totally
normal and have a very little amountof the hormone? To answer the difference
in the receptors, which once againwe can't measure. So the only way
you can really have an idea ofwhether somebody needs a hormone is you have

(48:54):
to ask them questions because when you'redeficient on a hormone, whether it's from
are from the actual amount of hormone, either way, you're gonna have symptoms
and you're gonna have some issues goingon. And so let let's just pick
on uh let's pick on estrogen.Uh if if if I have a woman

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and uh so, what estrogen willdo is it's it's very important for mood
and brain function. So if Ihave a woman and she's very forgetful or
she's moody or depressed, and shedidn't used to be that way, I'm
thinking she might be estrogen deficient.So I might could go get her estrogen

(49:38):
blood levels and look at them andmaybe they're normal m H. And I
might say, you know what,then these lessons, she might not have
a lot of receptors in her brain, So let's just give her a little
estrogen and see what happens. Sothis is called a clinical trial. Doctors
do this all the time. Sowe give the patients some estrogen and we

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see what happens if in this case, for example, her mood gets better
or her brain starts functioning better,or all the above, then we can
say for sure she's estrogen deficient eventhough the levels were normal. And that's
called a clinical trial. That's theonly really accurate way to assess whether anybody

(50:21):
needs a hormone is to know whatthe symptoms and the signs are for that
particular hormone deficiency, and then ifyou suspect that that's the case, you
give them a clinical trial of thehormone and see if things get better.
It's a clinical trial. We usedto have a certain amount of people.
You test the person. Each oneis different, of course, and it

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will to one. I have twoquestions about this, the timeframe, so
testing in this way if, firstof all, there are some contraindications,
some possible bad outcomes testing this way, and the other the other question is
how long does it take to havethe results? Ah, it's a good

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question, it's a really great question. And so, first of all,
it depending on the hormone is sortof part of that answer. But normally,
you see, it's four to eightweeks maximum. And the thing that's
important for people to know is thatif you give the hormone to somebody for
only four to eight weeks, evenif they didn't need it, it's not

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going to hurt them. Cool.So that's so for example, let's say,
and this happens all the time,what I'm going to tell you about.
Let's say I have a man comein and he's complaining of sexual dysfunction.
He can't get the direction like heused to get the erection, or
his libido is down, or's someproblem there. So the first thing comes
to your mind is, you know, maybe he's got a hormone problem.

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Now, there are about five otherthings that will cause that problem too,
so it might not be a hormone, but it's very easy to test for
the hormone thing. You just givehim some testosterone and wait four to eight
weeks, and he comes back toyou and says, hey, I'm I'm
normally again. I'm like I usedto be seventeen years ago. Bingo.

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You know that's the issue, eventhough this testosterone level may very well be
within normal range. Conversely, ifhe comes back in forty eight weeks says
I don't see a difference, andthat happens a lot, then you know
it's not testosterone, and then yougo looking for other things. Yeah,
Okay, it's very very complex becausethere are a number of hormones and it

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depends on Also there are female andmales so acting different ways of course,
so I think that well, thiswas the one thing. One thing also
money, I want to I wantto mention, Well, what I'm talking
about it is that you know,so many people are scared of hormones,

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right, Yeah, because they've heardthat testosterone can cause prostate cancer, or
they've heard that estrogen can cause breastcancer, or they're just worried that maybe
estrogen might cause ovarian cancer, eventhough there's no evidence of that. But
so people have some worries about it. And also people say, well,

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it's just not natural. The naturalstate of affairs is to not take these
hormones. And so my answer isnumber one, there's been plenty of studies
out but now clearly demonstrate to usthat as long as you don't take the
hormone levels back above what they usedto be, you get them down to
what you get the hormones up towhere is normal for that person, there's

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zero danger, none not it doesn'thappen. And this has been proven if
you take it way have to justget to get it right. And the
second thing is you have to usebioidentical hormones. By identical meaning that they're
identical to the hormone molecule that's alreadyin your body. What the drug companies

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have to do in order to selltheir hormones, the synthetic hormones, is
they got to take the molecule that'snatural to your body and change it.
And here's the problem. Even minorchanges can dramatically affect the way that molecule
works. And if people, forexample, look at the molecules of testosterone

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and look at the molecules of estrogen, the effect on our bodies is dramatically
different. Right. Testosterone does onething, estrogen does an entirely different thing.
But when you look at the molecules, they're almost identical. So any
change in those molecules that the drugcompanies are making is going to have some

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kind of negative effect. And allthe studies that have come out showing that
hormones cause such problems, it wasn'thormones. It was these synthetic hormones.
It wasn't real bioidentical hormones. Itwas the synthetic hormones. And once you
understand what that changes. Even thoughit's a minor change, you understand that

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what that change is, then youunderstand why they are having problems with them.
Sure. Sure, I'm in Europeand in Italy. I never went
through the market, of course,but I think that this is also available.
You mentioned in formal cream or injection. I mean I assume that there
are specific those age for each Yeah. So I guess another issue and I

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do discuss this in the book aswell, and that is that hormones work
together. So I tell my patientskind of think of a band. You
know, you got your drummer,you got your bass player, you got
your guitar player, so for andso on, you got they all have
to work together. You can't likehave no drummer, you can't have no
bass player. You got everybody,and they got to be in tune and

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playing at the same volume, andeverything's got to be balanced, right.
That's the same with hormone. Sofor example, let's say I have a
patient who's low on testosterone and thatpatient needs testosterone, and let's say he's
also low on thyroid thyroid hormones.You know, if I just give him

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the testosterone and don't give them thethyroid hormone. Also there's an imbalance and
things won't work out as well.Yeah, and you mentioned also this is
also valid for supplements. So whenyou you you don't take calcium supplement without
taking magnesium or because you create thisthis umbalance. So and this is true.

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Yeah, good point. Ye,before going to the ozone, maybe
we can we can touch a littlebit on that. Let's go back at
the bio energy testing again, justan overview of what the end the testing
can tell us in general, whatkind of inform as an outome. We've

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been mentioned a C factor, Wemention other factors, but just summarizing the
global outcome. Okay, all right, good. So number one, the
energy quot is basically going to tellyou how well your body is functioning with
respect to your age. So ifyou're a sixty year old man or woman,

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that will tell you if you're functioninglike a sixty year old, if
you're functioning like a seventy year old, or if you're functioning like a thirty
year old. It gives you agrade. It grades your overall functionality,
so it gives you a scorer number. And now if it's a great score,

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that's really good news for you becausethat means that with your particular genetics
and your particular lifestyle, they workwell together to keep you fully functional even
though you're getting older. But ifthis energy quottionent is low, that's also
good information for you because something's wrong. Because here's the point. The energy

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quot can get low fifteen years beforeyou actually get the disease. It's a
very early indicator that something's wrong.We have seen energy quotions and this is
not uncommon go wrong, be badin people in their forts who are entirely
healthy. I've seen it in peoplewho are thirty five years old, entirely

(58:27):
healthy, they have no complaints aboutanything, and yet their energy quotion is
low. And I know that ifwe don't fix it in ten fifteen years,
that person is going to have aproblem. So it helps to identify
if you have a problem that isnot nobody knows about, so that you
can fix it before it actually resultsin a problem. Productively, Yeah,

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energy quotion is really important, butproductive, Yeah, pructively. The other
thing that's helpful is the resting metabolicrate. Yep. And yeah, this
is a really important point. Areprobably well, one of the most important
hormone deficiencies we see is thyroid hormonedeficiency. And one because thyroid hormone is

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absolutely critical. It pretty much totallycontrols mitochondria function. The other hormones affect
mitochondria functioning, but thyroid hormone literallycontrols it. And here's the problem.
The thyroid blood tests and the urinetests and all the various tests out there
that they teach us to medical schooland to use these tests to determine who

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needs thyroid and who doesn't need thyroid, all of those tests they're going to
miss ninety percent of the cases.They will not identify ninety percent pay cases.
So you could go get your bloodtests on your thyroid. Your blood
test could be totally normal and andyou still need thyroid, but you don't

(01:00:00):
get it because your test you're normal. So one of the beauties of this
testing procedure is that we test yourmetabolic rate. That's how much oxygen you're
consuming just sitting quietly in a chair, that is totally controlled by thyroid.
So if it's normal, that tellsyou your thyroid is functioning well. If

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it's low, that tells you youneed thyroid. Despite the fact that your
blood tests or whatever test you're doing, say that everything's normal. So that's
that's a huge jumps. You gotyour energy quotion. It's going to give
you a score. Then you cannext look at the thyroid and you say,
well, do I have a thyroidproblem or not. That's critical because

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if you if you have a thyroidproblem and you don't fix it, that
energy quotion is going to go badsooner or later. Third thing we look
at is uh is the C factorthat you mentioned, and that's critical because
that's going to tell the combination betweenthe C factor and the energy quotion is

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going to tell me whether or notyou're the type of person that needs to
avoid carbs, the type of personactually should eat carbohydrate. They need carbohydrate
because there's a big difference. Alot of people need to eat carbohydrate.
If they don't for their particular genetics, they won't feel good and they won't
function well. Other people are theexact opposite for their genetics. If they

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eat carbohydrates, they are going tofunction poorly and get sick. So how
do you find out? How doyou know? There is no other way
to know than by looking at thisC factor number, which is a measurement
that we make during the test.It has to do with the relationship between
carbon dioxide and oxygen, and theway it works kind of in a nutshell,
is when the body is primarily burningcarbohydrates, it makes more carbon dioxide,

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when the body is predominantly burning fatand makes less carbon hydrate. So
we can kind of figure it outthat way. Yeah, yeah, clear,
clear, So very important information withonly one test, so yeah,
is that it should be repeated nameevery two years of moneyear it's good to
know. Yeah. Yeah. Solet's say I did the test on you,

(01:02:17):
and you're probably going to do goodon it because I you know,
I can tell that you take goodcare of yourself, so you'll probably do
really well on the test, inwhich case I'll tell you, all right,
you're doing well. It confirms thateverything's okay, that what you're doing
is okay, that we're not somehowmissing thyroid function, that you're exercising well,
your lifestyle is suited to your particulargenetics. So I would tell you,

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okay, look, come back intwo years. Let's just check it
again. Let's see what the numberis. If the number in two years,
the energy quote is the same asit is now, that's a really
good sign. That tells me,like even over time, this man is
maintaining his energy production. If it'slower, it might still be good two

(01:03:00):
years from now. But if it'slower, then I start to wonder a
little bit. Maybe maybe he's goingdownhill a little bit. Maybe I got
to keep a better eye on hima little bit. And in your experience,
and coming back to thyroid and yourexperience, the worst a couple of
worst things you can do to damagethe thyroid are the most. Okay,

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that's a really good question, becausethere's quite a few things that wreck the
thyroid. One of them is havingbirthdays. So the older you get,
your thyroid, just like everything else, it doesn't work so long, So
that's one of the things. Butspecifically mercury. Mercury definitely damages the thyroids
a heavy metal fluoride, and theyput fluoride in the water systems in many

(01:03:46):
places, and also they put itin the toothpaste and maybe even in some
vitamins. X rays, especially Xrays of the neck here where the thyroid
is can damage the thyroid. Acertain nutritional deficiency like iodine deficiency especially,
but iodine deficiency zinc deficiency. Seleniumdeficiency can have a distinct impact on the

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thyroid and taking into much chlorine canknock the iodines off the thyroid hormone and
then it won't work so well.Another one is bromine. So bromine is
a natural substance, but they putit in a lot of the foods,
especially soft drinks, and that brominewill knock the iodine off the thyroid molecule.

(01:04:36):
Yeah, and and then the thyroidmolecule won't work well. So those
are those are things that kind ofsort of immediately come to my mind.
Well, virus is also, yeah, so you can get a viral infection.
Gluten is another one. Gluten canpoison the thyroid, a whole bunch
of them. So, and howto take more care. So you mentioned

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iodine, So as with food correctfood avoid eye mercury. I think you
mentioned the process is to detox Ithink it's cakulation or something like that,
to remove heavy metals in the body. Yeah, yeah, so that's you

(01:05:24):
know, so let's let's okay,I do the energy quotion and let's say
it's low. It's a low probablythat's not a heavy metal problem. Normally
with a heavy metal problem or atoxism problem, toxicity problem, it's going
to be quite low. So whenI see the energy quotions quite low,

(01:05:44):
then I start to think maybe there'ssome toxicity going on here. The most
important toxicity for energy production is heavymetals, specifically arsenic lead and mercury.
And here's the thing. Every singlehuman being that we ever mentioned has arsenic
mercury and let in them. Youcan't get away from it. But for

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some people, those heavy metals aredisastrous for them, for their genetics just
can't tolerate even a small amount ofheavy metals. For other people, it's
not a problem. So one ofthe ways to determine if the heavy metals
in your body are actually really havinga bad effect on you is to measure
your energy quotion. If it's aboveone hundred, then the metals are not

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having a bad effect on you.However, if it's below one hundred,
especially if it's like a lot below, then you've got to do some heavy
metal testing to see how many heavymetals are going on, and you probably
want to take those heavy metals outat that point. And that's the name
of that treatment, is called chelationtherapy. That's the term we use to

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describe the various treatments that can beused to pull out heavy metal from the
body. Clear well, just asan overview of your book, I think
we cover almost whole sections. Thenwe are waiting for the new version to
come in a few months. Sojust if you want just to wrap up

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with because you are also known youwrote a book Type two diabetes, and
you wrote a couple of books andat least minimum on ozone therapy. And
uh, people are, as faras I know, especially in Italy or
the people I am I'm aware of, they don't know. They don't know

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anything about THO zone. And soif you just quick I know that this
is hard. But the advantages ofozone and why you're using and how you're
using for what? Just okay,all right, good question. By the
way, there's a lot of ozonetherapists in Italy, there's quite few.
And Italy happens to be my mentorthe doctor that taught me all about ozone.

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They basically call him. The godfatherof ozone therapy is Velli Obacci in
Siena. So this is and andValio goes all the way back to what
the late eighties he got interested inozon therapy and he's now passed on.
But but so Italy is a hotbedof ozone therapy. I guess the first
thing I want to tell the listenersis that when we talk about ozone in

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the medical world, it's got nothingto do with pollution. Ozone is in
pollution, but ozone isn't the pollution. So this is different. Ozone is
pure oxygen. That's all it is. There's nothing, no pollution, no
poisons, no nothing in there.It's just oxygen. So it's no more
toxic to your body than oxygen is, which, by the way, oxygen

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can be toxic to your body too, right, So ozone what we do
is oxygen can of two oxygen atomsstuck together. The reason is that one
oxygen atom does not have enough electrons, so it can't exist in nature.
It immediately goes and finds another oxygenatom. They use chair electrons and they

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form this molecule called oxygen. Werefer that as O two because there's two
oxygen atoms in there. So whatwe do is we take the two take
the METAXYG tank for example, andwe run it through a converter box and
what the converter box will do isconvert part of the oxygen in there into

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three oxygen atoms molecule, so it'sthree. Roughly two to three percent of
the oxygen that goes through this generatingbox will be ozone. Most of it
will be oxygen, but about twoor three percent gets converted into three and
O three is ozone. And nowthe difference between three and O two is

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in O two the electrons are perfectlybalanced, but in O three there's not
enough electrons to keep it balanced.It's a very temporary molecule. It can't
last very long. So because ofthat reason, you have to make it
right away and use it pretty muchimmediately. But when you put oxygen into

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the body, it really doesn't doanything. It just sits there. It's
not reactive. But when you putozone, you put oxygen in the form
of ozone in the body, itinstantaneously reacts because it needs that electron.
It'll instantaneously grab an electron from someplace, and in the process of doing

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that, it starts moving electrons.And this is what life is all about.
This is what we do. Wemove electrons around and that gives us
the electricity that keeps us alive.So ozone stimulates that. And the cool
thing is that as long as youuse it as you know, within the
prescribed recommendations, you don't overdo itor something. It could fix darn or

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anything in your body. It's prettycrazy. You can fix bad joints,
bad knees, bad shoulders injuries.You can fix bad backs, necks,
You can fix pain of any kind. It takes away pain. You can
put ozone gas into the intestines totreat intestinal disorders. You could put ozone

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gas into the stomach to treat stomachdisorders. You could put it into your
ears to treat ear disorders. Putit in the sinuses to treat sinus disorders.
Put it in your teeth to treatinfections. Put it in your bloodstream
to treat infections, viral infections,bacterial infections, all kinds of things.
You could put it in your bloodstreamto treat cardiovascular problems, heart problems,

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and problems with the blood vessels.You can treat autoimmune diseases with it.
You can treat cancer with it.And people say, well, what kind
of thing is that? Where youcould treat twenty different things, who is
that? Nobody does that? AndThe answer is oxygen can because oxygen is
a unique molecule that there's no othermolecule like it. We are so dependent,

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it's so important to us, andthat's why it works on all these
things. So if people were tocome to my clinic or in the clinic
of any doctor that uses thozone,they'll see that doctor use thozone in a
very wide variety of cases. Ohyeah, that's great, that's very cool.
And you mentioned this could be usedwith injecting or in the blood,

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and I know that there was asort of machine circulating blood and reaching the
blood with those on and doing thisin periodically I don't know many, how
many cycles or rectum cufulation. Imean there are different ways of doing so,
yeah, but yeah, there isthere are all these benefits, but

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in your practice you use a differenttechnique. So yeah, we if we
use everything, we do everything.Well, we'll put it in any place
I didn't mention. But you canput it in a sauna and it'll treat
the skin, and it'll absorb throughthe skin and treat the immune system.

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You can also put it in abladder to get rid of bladder cancer.
So there's all kinds of ways thatyou can use ozone effectively. And I
would tell the listeners if they goto Amazon, they can download my book
called The Ozone Miracle. Yeah,it's called the Ozone Miracle, and it
tells you, It tells you alot. It really is a great explanation.

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I wrote it for lay people becausewhat lay people can do is they
can buy their own ozone equipment.You don't necessarily need to see a doctor
for everything see doctor for some ofthe All of these techniques you can use
at home with yourself, with yourfamily, and you can treat quite a
few things just right there at home. And really, it would be wonderful

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if every family had their own ozonegenerator and a copy of this book,
because the book tells exactly how touse it and explain how it works.
Yeah. Remember your interview with DaveOsprey and you mentioned that he was treating
some infection in the heighths. Sohe was he was having this this O
zone machine and the only the onlything that dangerous I mean is to inhale.

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So you don't want to. Yeah, you can inhale, that's absolutely
true. That's the only place itdoesn't work well in in the lungs.
Yeah, yeah, and in particularduring this period we went we went through
the different ways of UH for antianti viral, antibacterial agents, so ozone
is one of them. Also ultravioletsea light in to kill viruses and bacterial

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ozone. Ozone is used in differentenvironments. So but in that case,
you need to have I've read acouple of studies, you need to have
a concentration a certain humidity, relativehumidity, and almost saturation. So it's
not an environment uh safe for humanbeing. I mean, then it has

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to be reconverted and catalyzed into oxygenin order to This is for for I
don't know, hospitals or some particularenclosed spaces. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah. You know, especially peoplefor example, that already have problems with
their lungs, like maybe somebody withasthma or somebody with really bad lungs there

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may be especially sensitive. So yougotta be more particular with those people.
With most people like you and me, if we inhale those the only thing
that would happen is we just coughfor a lot. We cough for about
the next hour. Nothing bad wouldhappen to us. But if you have
one of those conditions and you halthose on that could be bad for you.

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Clear with this one we cover almosteverything. So and I will also
link all the show notes in yourbooks, and maybe, depending on the
feedback I received from the audience,I will contact you again will go deeper
into more into more details, forexample in a zone any anything else?

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Do you have anything to add fromyour side? Oh gosh, let me
just say that. I would alsorecommend everybody to read my book called The
Type two Diabetes Breakthrough. It coversa lot of what we've been talking about.

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And the reason I think this isso important is because type two diabetes
is one hundred percent preventable, andif you catch it early enough, it's
one hundred percent curable. You cancure it. Now, if you wait
too long, you won't be ableto cure it. But it's one hundred

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percent preventable. So if there's alistener out there that's thinking, you know,
my mother had diabetes, my brotherhas diabetes, or the doctor just
told me that he thinks I mightbe getting diabetes, anybody like that,
get this book and follow the instructionsin there. They're very simple, many
of which you and I have beentalking about. On this show, and

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that will absolutely cure the diabetes ifit's in early stages, and it will
totally prevent them ever from getting diabetes. I think it's really important. Yeah,
really is. Yes, I'm notsure the books are available in Italian
but okay, no, actually theyare available in Spanish. You can get

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Cursion but not that's it English andSpanish. Okay, okay, cool,
and we will see. We willsee if we have enough people to for
for our translation. I don't know. Yeah, we should do that.
Uh. Well with this one,I really thank you so much for your
time. This will be a verygood one. I will try to have
I don't know, a series aseries of podcasts with this anything else.

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Just let me know. I reallythank you and for your time, and
let's keep in touch. Okay,okay, very good. Now you have
good talk with you, buddy.Keep it up. You're doing good stuff.
This is important what you're doing gettingthe word out. Thank you very
much, Thank you so long.Have a good one. Bye bye.
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