[ENG] ☕ Il Caffe' Dell' Alchimista- Coffee with the Alchemist ⚗️ Dave Pascoe

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Welcome to another coffee English with methe Alchemist. Today we have a special
guest, a great human being whobrings some fresh air into the overcrowded world
of longevity biohacking. He is aretired netro security engineer, but that's not

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the point. He is sixty oneyears old, that's his chronological age,
but he actually looks and physically heis more like at thirty eight years old.
Yes, perhaps he is quite confusing, but you will figure it out.

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Dave Passcoe follows a more budget friendapproach compared to Brian Johnson, spending
only thirty k usd pre Yer comparedto two millions from Brian. But still
Dave achieves remarkable biological age reversal,sizing, balance and moderation in his lifestyle.

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On his very first appearance on apodcast, Day will tell us more
about this story, his lifestyle,how serving communities helping people may be the
unfair advantage for a younger biological age. We will discuss about dave experiences,

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hacks and routines, his plan forthe future, and much much more.
It has been really a pleasure tomeet and discuss with this great and profound
human being. So without further adeo, let's have a coffee. Wait,
it's a love for long jerviy.I'll forget about it. Dear listeners,

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let's welcome to the show. DavePASCOWI okay, welcome to the show.
So we have a quick chat onLinkedIn, so we connected the LinkedIn not
so long ago. And thanks,thanks again for being here today and for
your time. And I know thatwe have something in common other than being

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engineers. I think you're you're originallyyou're coming from Cicity, right, Yes,
my mom's parents, but I'm fromPalermo City, so we feel the
same. Actually, if you agree. I've been through your website, which

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is I will post all the linksinto the show notes. And I read
a lot of articles except that Iwould like just to dive deep a little
bit on your what do you thinkso your personal view of what's happening in
the world or the longevity space.And I have a plenty of questions here
notes, here and there. Icollected some questions even from the zero community.

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You know that after Brian Johnson.So there are a lot of communities
zero commuter around the world. I'mpart of the one one here in Europe.
So there are meetups even there.I also done meet up in Luxembourg
covering also UAE. So first ofall, I'll hold are you to now?

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As of right now, I amsixty one? I will be sixty
two in August. WHOA, Okay, that's that's very good. And what's
your biological age? Well, okay, that depends on you know whose test
you consult. Yeah, and it'sgood. I think I like what they

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rejuve and region what the true diagnostictest revealed. I think it's a thirty
seven point nine five. I thinkthat was the most flattering number that I've
seen. So yeah, that that'sa very good point. And the juvenational
Olympics is more extrinsic motivation. I'mmore interested with the first question. Why

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you went into the biohacking and longevityon the first season, So that's a
big question. Yeah, Well Inoticed you asked about biohacking and longevity and
not health and fitness, because that'sa whole different story and a whole different
lineage there. But so biohacking andlongevity I would say goes back to about

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twelve years ago. I think itwas around twenty twelve. I was just
turning fifty and I was working avery stressful job as a network security architect
and engineer. I was also caringfor both of my elderly parents who were
down with their second cancer of peace, and so they lived here with me.

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That was really stressful. I wasalso training for my very first marathon,
which a little bit I know,was very stressful on my body.
I just didn't think about it.And I was doing my P ninety X
regularly and trying to do that withmarathon training. So I mean here,
I thought I was Joe Cool,you know, mister health and fitness guy.

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I thought I was in great shape, doing everything right. And then
I heard on a podcast that Iwas listening to something about a test for
telomeres and their length, and Ilearned that telomere as well. I think
everybody knows this by now, buttwelve years ago this was you know radical
that you know. Telomeres are likethe little end caps in the end of

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your shoelaces that keep a shoelaces fromunraveling, and for DNA, that basically
mark the ends and beginnings of otherstrands of DNA. And then every time
your cells divide, those get shorterand shorter, and so taking this test,
I thought it was going to comeback and say that I had the
telomeres of a twenty year old,you know, right, of course,
but again I was just turning fiftyand the results came back to say that

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I had the telomeres of a sixtyeight year old. And that shocked me.
That really scared this nod out ofme, and I knew at that
point that I needed to learn alittle bit more because obviously I was missing
something really big about my health andfitness and longevity. And so that started
my deep dive into reading books andpodcasts and searching doctor Google to find out,

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you know, is there a wayto increase the link of my telomeres,
which at the time it wasn't.But through time I kept investigating that
and eventually they started coming out withsupplements and things that like tam eate when
six five that can help increase thetelomeres. Along with that Telemere test came

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a consultation with a staff position,and so I naturally I signed up for
that because I wanted to know whyin the heck are my telomeres so short
and what can I do about it? And one of the first things they
did was started asking me questions aboutmy lifestyle, which I thought was a
little puzzling because I didn't make theconnection of what would that have anything to
do with the length of my telemeresAnd you know, through the course of

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them just asking me questions about,you know, the stress of my job,
the stress of taking care of myparents, doing the pen and ey
X, which is really extreme trainingfor the marathon, I was basically beating
my body up pretty bad. Andthey had seen the same situation with you
know, top athletes that had takenthe test, so it was pretty common.

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They knew what it was immediately,so it was a matter for me
then at that point to start totry to mitigate the stress in my life,
get back into you know, ameditation practice that I used to have
years and years before that I hadjust totally forgotten about, delve a little
bit more back into yoga, whichI also used to do and had gotten

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out of the habit of, andthen starting to look at my you know,
diet and supplementation a little more closely. That that's a great story,
and then that's a great because basically, so I think it's our notes for
showments as well. So twelve twelveyears ago, So you did this accidentally,

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this test, and then you realizedthat the time you were adding more
physical stress on top a lot ofstress coming from different way. Yeah,
yea yeah, mental emotional correct Soending with your parents can be yeah,
this is besides that. Yes,this is and plus. So you you

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were not aware of what you knowall this stuff about. And this was
at the beginning of twelve years ago. Was quite early, honestly, and
at the beginning you were adding onthe the stressors to your life. But
I linked to what the initials,so health and fitness with bio acting and
lonjet at that time, if someonelooking at from an external point of view

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to your life, oh he's doingthis, doing that, is doing pen
I X, it's doing I'm moreshanty that type of person than anyway insanity,
insanity and the focused twenty five.And I tried doing insanely I couldn't
well, well yeah, yeah,yeah, it's it's I know. Also

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PENS three, the short one,it's very holistic approach and it does include
the yoga as well. But lookingat that point of life, okay,
training for the marathon, doing Ithink is doing this and then that's okay,
you're perfectly fit. And but yeah, inside, for the deep inside,

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you realize that there was something something, but at that time you did
not know what exactly. You know, And and I've seen that before,
like in in other you know,in weightlifters, body builders, you've seen
them where they look beautiful from theoutside and yet you know that metabolically they're
in terrible shape. But I neverever imagined that about myself, just because

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I thought I was doing everything right. I was taking like tons of supplements.
I had no idea why. Ijust knew they were supposed to be
good for me. So I hadwhat they called a very expensive p Yeah,
yeah, exactly exactly. I wastaking stuff like I didn't need it
all and things that are actually doingme some harm, and I was completely

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unaware of I passed through that aswell. Now, for instance, I
have the cabinet full of supplement aswell, but I know when to take
what to take, and just Imanage periodically. And so I really course,
the first question about your supplements,and then we will talk about the
routine, etcetera. Is this tAM eight one eight and THA sixty five.

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So what that does exactly because it'ssomething that is new to me.
Okay. Both of those are telomeraseactivators, so they're supposed to to help
the talam raises, the active enzymethat makes telomeres longer. Okay, And
so you start taking this twelve yearsago. I don't think those were available

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twelve years ago, so probably eightor nine okay, I don't even know
if it's been that long. Andyou keep at least five years ago,
about five years ago ago, andthis is one of the KPI of the
indicators you're monitoring. Well, telomeresare just one of the many things that
I do measure, and so Ihave seen my telomeres lengthening. Okay,

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So okay, that getting better.It's going in the right direction. Perfect.
It's not something that happens overnight.That's are very slow. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I am yeah. Yeah. The time ago, I
have someone saying we cannot repase,so they can we can stop reducing shortening,
but we cannot. But apparently thisis not correct. They used to

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think that. I guess through experimentationand the study of cancer that they realized
that cancer cells can live forever becausethey produced their own glomerase. That's how
they fell upon this whole telomerase activationthing with cancer studies. Oh okay,
okay, so this is one point. So you started changing your lifestyle first

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and then implementing different things and goingto what that been your biggest challenges during
your the path from twelve years agoto now, the biggest challenge, biggest
challenges, that's a good one,hmm. I would have to say,

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trying to unlearn things that I thoughtwere right and aren't weren't and be open
to reevaluating things that I'm doing thatprobably weren't beneficial. I mean, I've
always I've always been that way inmy life, even as a small child.
But it's just a matter of howdeep down that rabbit hole you want

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to go. I'll take, forinstance, for instance, the food that
we eat. So let me go, let me go back in time.
Another long story. When I wasa kid, I used to have a
lot of questions, like most kidsdo. But I had a father who

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didn't have a whole lot of patiencefor my questions. So he would always
tell me that my questions were stupid, and he was just basically telling me
to shut up. And I evengot to be a sort of a running
joke that when I would ask oneof my dumb questions, my dad would
say, hey, David, youknow what, and I would say,
yeah, I know, I'll shutup. And so it wasn't the kindest

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thing in the world to do,but I mean, that was my dad.
So one of the things that kindof forced me to do here,
I thought I was just dumb andthat I was missing things that were real
obvious to everybody else. So itforced me to look deep into things and
try to figure them out for myself. And in doing that, I mean,

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I realized I couldn't get any answersasking my family. I started looking
at other people, seeing what theywere doing. And honestly, as I
look back at this today, Ithink this was a huge gift to me,
because if I had gotten answers frommy family and done pretty much what
everybody else does, I would justbe repeating what I learned from my parents,

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which is what they learned from theirparents, and they learned from their
parents, and I would have beendestined to do all the same things that
they did. But instead I wasable to look at all the other adults
in my life and ask questions like, huh, I see that these people
are really wealthy. We're not.Why is that? Why? Why why

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are they wealthy and we're not?What is it they're they're doing and but
we aren't doing? Why do thesepeople have great relationships? Right? I
see some people husband, wife,boyfriend, girlfriend constantly fighting, were others
that get along like best friends.Why doesn't everybody have that? You know?
I look at people that were likeolder people that were really just sick

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and not even that old, butthey're just sick and have all kinds of
diseases, and other people that weresuper old but really fit, very healthy,
sound of mind, And so Istarted wondering, well, why do
they have that? If you wouldask other people, they would say,
oh, those people were just lucky, you know. They wouldn't look into

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it any deeper than that. Theywould just begrudge those people for having what
they have and then just go ondoing what they always did. But as
a kid, I started looking intowell, okay, so why why do
these people do this? What isit that they're doing? And what I
saw was that these people all hada pattern. The people that were successful

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in life at whatever they were doing, whether it was financial or relationship wise,
health, they were all doing thesame things, whereas the people that
were un healthier, not wealthy,or not wise, we're all not doing
those things. And so I startedwanting to do all the things that the

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successful people did and trying to emulatethat. So I did that to an
extent in my life, which mademe a little different from the rest of
my family. Probably annoyed my familybecause I just brought on more questions like,
well, hey, I see theseguys are doing this. How come
we're not doing this? We couldbe better off if we did this.

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But you know, I'm not alwaysopen to hearing things like this from a
kid, so she shut up.Kids, you bother me, you go
away. Anyway, I didn't lookdeep enough into that, especially when it
came to nutrition. When it cameto food, I thought, just like
everybody else thought, food is justsomething you put in your mouth and you

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know, it gets the makes thegrumbling go away, so you don't feel
hungry anymore, and that's it.You can eat pretty much anything and you'd
just be fine. And food wasmagic. It was something Mom just made
right. I didn't know where itcame from, right, didn't know all
the work that went into it andfrom mom's perspective. If you know,
she could get it out of abox or a bag or a drive through,

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all the better, right while Ihave to slave in a kitchen making
something from scratch that actually have beenmuch more healthy. So I never questioned
those things. I grew up eatingpeanut butter and honey sandwiches every day.
I went through college and was eatingramen noodles and drinking beer for calories because
that's all I could afford, youknow, And I never really thought anything

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more about it. So it waslater in my life. Unfortunately, I
wish I would have known than youknow what I know now. But it
was only later in life that Istarted realizing that what we eat is what
we're made of, that our bodytakes that in and builds from the stuff
that we take in, which ispatently obvious to us now, But there's

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still a lot of people that livetheir lives like that's not the case.
All my friends are pretty much thatway. When I'm with my friends,
they like to stop off and dothe donuts and the coffee cakes, and
you know, all the snack foodsand the drive throughs. And it could
be hard because I'm a social guy. So I'll when I'm with my friends

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sometimes, you know, when inRome? Do you like the Romans?
Right? I still tend to dosome of those bad behaviors, although I
do try to pick better choices amongbehaviors. I really went off at a
tangent here for your question. Butno, well, I know, thanks,
this is a very great thing.Thanks for sharing this story, because

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oh it's really interesting. I thinkthat this is the basis of engineering mindset
and so your observation. So,but the mystery is what has initiated you
to think this way because you couldhave done Okay, okay, they don't
my parents, they don't care aboutmy I stopped. I continued for some

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reason. I and this is oneof the mysteries. I know, is
a DNA or whatever it is.There was something that sparkled your curiosity and
in a way that even with someblockers, you you obs started the observation
around you and start learning and questioning. Yeah. I think that this is

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a very great approach and mindset.You did this without any like Tony Robbins,
and this is personal. This motivators. Yeah, this is a big
Tony Robins fan. Okay, okay, I found Tony Robbins in the eighties
and I bought every program. Sodid that helped? Oh? Absolutely?

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Oh? Perfect, Okay, okay, that's what this is one of the
things, not in particular Tony Robins. It's very good, but there are
others. So this sparkling, this, this, this thing so helping because
you need to have your innate stuffbefore okay, and then you you you
move on. So this is agreat, great example. And I know

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that one of the questions is howyou face your competition with Brian joneson except
which I had the owner of interviewinglast year. So and but one of
the questions was actually, yeah,yeah, this is the not competitor.
I mean, but it is obviousthat I don't like to compare myself to
Brian. But yet I see allthese YouTube videos exactly, and I'm beating

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Brian. Yeah exactly. Yeah.As I mentioned at the beginning, is
I'm not I don't think I'm sureyou are not looking extrinsically goal Okay,
I need to beat this or that. So this is the intrinsic values are
the stronger one. So that's whyI asked. Although although the competition does

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make it fun. Yeah, this, yes, this sure, sure,
this is uh healthy competition. Yes, sure he's giving a plus also again,
but that's a double edged sword forme too, because I'm a constant
experimenter, and I've said this onmy website that I'm always changing up things

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I want to see like how theyaffect me. But since place thing in
ranking and the Rejuvenation Olympics, I'vebeen a little bit hesitant to, you
know, change too much because Idon't want to drop down in the ranking.
That's messling with my head a littlebit, and I'm I'm trying to
fight against that and keep doing myexperimentation anyway. So yeah, you're right,

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this is double edged. Okay,just a question, we will jump
here and there. But I noticedthat you changed something somewhere in the website
there about tea. Yes, Iincourdase about that. I see that you
are no more drinking that picture teabecause of something related to absorption and such.

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Can you please? Yeah? Yeah, So this was shocking to me.
So I started noticing my energy levelschanging, you know. Okay,
so maybe four years ago, no, probably longer than that. Now,
the whole missing year of twenty twentymesses with my time at the time,

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so I talked to me to gaugewhen things happened. But at one point
I noticed it was starting to takeme two hours to do a one hour
P ninety x workout. It wasjust my energy level wasn't there, you
know. But it happened so graduallythat I hardly noticed until you know,
at some point it was I couldn'tignore it anymore. And then that's when

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I learned about NAD supplementation in particularand the true Niagen product that I take.
I started taking it just out ofcuriosity and I wanted to see what
it would do. Coincidentally, Ithink back to like when I was thirty,
there was actually an NADH supplement thatI took and it didn't do anything

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for me. It makes sense becausein my thirties I probably didn't have any
issues at all with my NAD levels. So but I started taking this and
R supplement and I was shocked thatI could then do my one hour P
ninety X workout in an hour andstill have plenty of energy left. So
that was pretty cool. But inthe past several months, I started noticing

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my energy levels, you know,starting to drop off again, and so
I figured that possibly I'm just gettingolder, my need for NAD supplementation is
probably getting greater, and so maybeI should start increasing my dosage of NR.
But I thought, well, youknow, I know better than doing
that. Now, I know totest first before just changing supplementation. So

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I took a couple of NAD tests, one from infinity one from do not
Age, because I wanted to comparethe two of them, and they both
said that I'm still in the maybelow end of optimal. So that wasn't
it. I was kind of puzzled. But at the same time, I
also did my annual spectro cell micronutrientanalysis and I was absolutely floored when I

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saw the results of that come backbecause it showed that I had a vitamin
B deficiency and coke and I thought, well, how in the world can
that be because co Q ten andvitamin B are two of the things that
I supplement quite regularly. In fact, the vitamin B I do in divided
doses. I do one in themorning and when in the evening, the
same with my co Q ten.So that made absolutely no sense to me.

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I thought, maybe the test waswrong, maybe I got somebody else's
results by mistake, But It mademe start digging in and thinking, well,
I maybe this okay, if thisis no mistake, why why is
this happening? I must be takingsomething else in my supplements that's blocking the
absorption of my vitamin B and youknow the multiple of vitamin bs. And

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through using AI, which is kindof cool these days instead of doctor Google,
I learned that teas like green teasand such are known to block absorption
of B, vitamin and co Qten. And this was a whole new
revelation for me. I was completelyunaware of I had had issues with the

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tea that I was drinking because Ibrew it really strong. I mean thought
processes. Okay, you know it'sa little bit of tea is good for
me, then a lot of tea, really strong brew tea must be even
better. Right. You think Iwould have learned by now, because you
know I've done that many times throughmy life. Well that was wrong because
I started seeing that my ferretine levelswere dropping and realized that the teas were

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doing the same thing with my ironabsorption. So I cut back on the
number of tea bags that I wouldbe brewing. When I would brew a
whole picture full of tea and thatseemed to resolve the ferretine issue, so
I thought things were good until thismicronutrient analysis. At that point I just

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said, all right, the heckwith this. The tea is probably just
more of a hindrance than it isa help. And I just took it
completely out of my morning lemon brew, lemon water brew. Wow, this
is all new for me. I'mthinking, not I want to dive deep,
but because you know, the greentea for the reasons beneficial for her,

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But I did not know this linkbetween the absorption of Well. An
interesting thing was it wasn't just blockingthe absorption, it was the It's like
the tannins and the polypemales supposedly bindto the same receptors. And so even
though I was even though so inthe morning when I was taking my supplements

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with the tea, that would havebeen bad enough. Yet I was still
taking those supplements in the evening withoutthe tea, and yet I'm still deficient.
It's because the receptors are still beingblocked by those so and that led
me down the path of finally finishingwhat I had originally started was to take
any of the supplements that I havethat include or contain polyphenales and tannins and

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move those over into the evening becausethose would be more inducing. Yeah,
and so the solve the solve theissue. Well, I've noticed my energy
levels top of my hair cut,and I've noticed less hair loss in the
shower, which is another big Thisis another big puzzle that I was I

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was having. I'm trying to figureout why even when I talked to obviously
I dye my hair, right whenI talked through the girl that colors my
hair, I would constantly ask her, am I going? Am I thinning
up there? Because I'm seeing waytoo much hair? And she says,
you no, she says, juststill just as thick as ever. It
just She would assure me that itwas just because my hair is longer now,

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which this is my pandemic hair.I've I've stopped cutting my hair in
the pandemic and I just let itgrow ever since I never had long hair
before. She says, it's justbecause your hair longer, you're just seeing
it now. When it was shorter, it we just cut down the drain
and you wouldn't notice it as much. And that simply I didn't think that
was still explaining that the what I'llcalled birds ness of hair. So but

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now that I've taken the key out, I'm not noticing the hair loss and
the drain either. So that's that'svery I will dive into that. But
again, this is a link toyour spirit of curiosity observation because okay,
you mentioned that you realized that itwas a problem, because you you realize

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this time to complete the workout.So again this comes back to the self
pontification, all these these bioarching mechanism, which is, okay, you observe
what is happening, you feel yourselfin some way, and then you you
tweak the protocols and what you're doing. That's that's a very interesting approach.
I think it's also coming from theengineer. I mean, that's why I'm

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totally convinced that the you know,all the aches and the pains and the
ailments and the loss of energy andall the things that we tend to consider
part of normal aging probably aren't normal. In fact, I would assert that
they are not normal aging. They'rejust things that were our bodies either aren't

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producing enough of now that we're older, or you know, we're not getting
enough of from our diet and supplementation, the fact that we're not getting out
and moving more. If we're sittingtoo much, you start to stiffen up.
And just these things that I thinkare all based on what we're doing

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to ourselves, Like we're slowly poisoningourselves with the foods that we're eating and
the way that we're cooking our foods, and you know, the cleaning products
that we use, and the personalcare products that we slather on our face
and you know, brush our teethwith all these things that include a bunch
of chemicals that and I laugh atmyself when I hear myself say these things.

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I think, oh, my gosh, this guy's a nut, because
I used to think that anybody thatsaid these things was an absolute cook.
Yeah, but I'm seeing now andthe more I investigate this stuff, that
these things do matter, They doaccumulate, they do build up in our
bodies, whether the FDA says thatit's you know, good for us or
not, you know, yeah,yeah, and so. And I try

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to use myself as the example ofhey, look i'm doing this. I'm
doing this different from whatever what everybodyelse is doing. And I can try
to talk to my friends about thisstuff, and I'm most they just get
blank stares, right, they likewhatever, you know, they don't get
it. But yeah, I'll havepeople ask me like, well, when

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they find out how old I am, they're completely shocked. Mm hmm.
And it's it's not from good luck, yeah, good things. It's from
I believe, it's from my lifestyle. And so I'm trying to prove
what I believe is right by howI live my life and then how I
appear in the world, how Ithink, how I feel, how I

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move, and so far I thinkI'm doing pretty good improving that can confirm
more of my friends are starting tobuy into this. Now, Yeah,
that that's again. This is thiswas another question about what the other are
thinking about you, because yeah,they look at you. I face this

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every day in the office. Iface every day with all my stuff on
the table. Then okay, there'scomments are coming, uh, but yeah,
this is Uh. It's good thatyou again sparkle curiosity in others because
not the way around. Because atthe beginning of my journey, I I

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try to talk a little a littlebit on my initiatives, so to talk
a little bit and then I realizedthat if they are really interested, they
will ask and I will talk.If not, you stay there like a
teacher or the mentor. I knowthis under that, but if really people
are not and this came from myparents as well, and my family is

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old fashioned and so they do believemore in they are, they are lucky.
This is genetics and the present geneticparty is one part that is still
but epigenetics and lifestyle iss the huge, huge difference here. Yeah, this
is very interesting. Let's let's sadbe in another because I've seen quickly because

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your website is comprehensive of everything.So but there is one point, becau
is not so long ago on Instagramaccount, I show you sharing something about
food. The social activity do youremember was the food feed my starving children.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ourchurch was doing a project where we
wanted to package a million meals forchildren around the world. Yeah, and
we ended up surpassing that million.But it was a great way for our
community to come together and this ispackage these meals. It was fun to

(34:37):
do, it was for a greatcause and we did it over a Thursday,
Friday and a Saturday. Well,this is this is really great.
But yeah, there's something that lookingat that spirit of observation as well.
I don't think correct me if I'mthere is anything on your website about that,
about the social part the community,which which according to the blue Zone

(35:00):
stuff, all this thing community andsocial activities, this interaction, this is
doing good for the others. Thisempathy, I think this is my it's
impacting. It's impacting again in thehappiness interior happiness joy and again this joy

(35:22):
in tailor joy. It will willtransmute. It is an external But what
what what do you think about that? I totally agree, and it is
on my website, but it's verywell hidden, it's varied and probably the
very last question my Q and apage, and and now you've pointed this

(35:45):
out, I agree. I shouldprobably change that and make it more prominent,
probably make it a page all inits own, because it is important.
It's very important. So I am. I'm blessed with a really large
community of friends. It's gonna soundcrazy. A lot of people don't go

(36:07):
to church at all. I havethree churches that I go to for if
you count the one I just listenedto on podcasts and don't go too physically.
But I was not a church goerfor most of my life. And
then when I moved back home intwo thousand and one to take care of

(36:27):
both of my parents, I knewthat I was missing something in my life
because I was very much a lonewolf, kind of a herman, just
myself. I didn't have very manyfriends. I had maybe one or two
close friends and that was it.I was a hypic guy. If I
went to a party, I wouldbe a fly on the wall. I

(36:50):
just know, hung over on theside and didn't really mix with people because
I had a pretty low self esteem. I mean, growing up with you
know, my father, I assumedthat I was not that bright, and
you know, I wasn't that interesting, and you know, I was told
to shut up most of the time. So I just didn't think that I
had anything interesting to say. Soall right, so I'm digressing. Who

(37:15):
was I going with this? Oh? Church? Okay? So I asked
a good friend of mine to takeme to a church because I'd always been
interested in knowing about God and Icould never figure out I could never figure
out God on my own. Iwould ask my parents, who were not

(37:37):
church goers, and they didn't reallyknow. I even tried going into Catechism
for a while, and when Iwould ask the nuns questions, I would
usually just get smacked and say,you know, don't be a little smart
ass. You know, I didn'tthink I was being a smart ass.
I thought I was just asking honestquestions. But Catechism, I think at

(37:57):
that time, was more about justand after school daycare rather than cheap teaching
you anything, so I wasn't gettinganything out of that. We also had
a King James Bible, very verythick, written in the Old English,
and I opened that and I couldnot make heads or tails out of any

(38:17):
of the thing. So I couldn'tfigure out I mean, I couldn't figure
out God in my own religion.So I ended up reading all kinds of
books on other religions, Judaism,Hinduism, the Doo, any spiritual text
from Yaqui Indians. So I consideredmyself a very spiritual person, but I

(38:40):
was not religious. So this friendstarted taking me to these little churches and
they were very little, like sosmall that when I showed up, it
was very obvious I was a newcomer, and so the pastor would point to
me and call me out as thenewcomer and ask me to stand my testimony,

(39:00):
and well, I'm terrified of publicspeaking, for one, and I
had no idea what a testimony was. So here I am petrified standing up
in front of all these people,and I don't know what to say because
I don't even know what they're askingme. So that was a horrible situation.
And when we got out of there, I so told my friend.

(39:21):
I says, don't ever do thatto me again. Take me somewhere else.
It's got to be somewhere else.He took me to another church and
exactly the same thing happened, andso I just said, that's it.
I'm done. I don't want todo this anymore. And then he found
this really large, mega church ata ten thousand member church that was maybe

(39:43):
a half hour away from our home, and he says, you gotta come
here. You're gonna love it.There's a lot of hot looking chicks here.
And I actually said, no,I don't want to go for that.
I mean, I truly want tofind God. I don't want to
just go find hot looking chicks.I mean going out to the bars every
night and doing that. I mean, I didn't want my church exactly the

(40:05):
same thing. So I resisted,and then next thing I know, he
had all of our other male friendsgoing with him every Sunday, and I
was to loane hold out. Sofinally I gave in and I went.
And I'm hoping I'm not like digressingoff into a whole strange story here that
you're not interested in. But myfirst time at this particular church, I

(40:30):
got in and they were singing worship, and there was just something about the
whole atmosphere there that I just foundmyself crying. Then I could get emotional
telling the story against someone to trynot to go off the deep end,
but I just had tears flowing downmy face because I was so moved by
the experience, and I knew thatwas my home. I knew that's where

(40:53):
I belonged. Like I said,having not been a church goer, that
was a huge experience for me.And the talks were fantastic. They very
meaningful to my life. They werethey were inspirational. They spoke to me
and my situation. It almost feltlike the pastor was talking directly to me.

(41:15):
And of course, speaking with otherpeople, they all felt exactly the
same way. And I loved itbecause I could be completely anonymous there because
it was so huge, right,nobody was going to call me out as
a newcomer and make me speak.And so I was there for many,
many, many years. And thenone day one of my friends, who
was a volunteer there, kept tryingto get me to volunteer too, and

(41:39):
I jokingly said, you know,Frank, someday when I retire, I
want to be just like you.I want to volunteer all my time at
the church. And he had thisquestion for me that I never anticipated.
He said, why wait? AndI had no way to come back for
that, There was no good reasonwhy, and so begrudgingly I said,

(42:05):
okay. I didn't know what theywere going to make me do, right,
you know, you're like, oh, church is all volunteer. And
they ended up putting me as agreeter at the back entrance of the church.
And I said, I was aguy that didn't like being the center
of attention. I was not verysociable, and all of a sudden,

(42:29):
now I'm the guy that people arecoming up the steps to see. And
I was so horry, so awkwardat it. But as time went by,
I got a little better at it. I also was going through a
bad breakup at the time, andso I was a little heartbroken. And

(42:51):
so seeing all these you know,loving families coming in together emotionally again,
it really, you know, tuggedmy heart strings. So I had this
sense that I should be taking thelove that I had for this other person
her family didn't work out, andjust start pouring it on all the people

(43:15):
that were coming in the door.And I thought, well, that's kind
of weird, but all right,I'll give that a shot. And so
I started, you know, projectingthat feeling of love and family to the
people that were coming in the door, and much to my surprise, they
started responding to that and treating methe same. And so their children would

(43:37):
see me and come running to meand hug me, you know, because
they loved mister Dave, and youknow it, pick them up and shake
them, you know. The parentswould come hug me. And then pretty
soon, I mean, I'm huggingeverybody. Wow. And it's not me
forcing hugs on me. At leastpeople wanted to hug me. Wow.
This is just blowing my mind.So Church, in that respect really ended

(44:02):
up changing the person that I amtoday from that experience, and I a
greeted at the South entrance for tenyears, and so I got to know
thousands and thousands of people in thisten thousand member megachurch. We also started
a running team in that group inconjunction with World Vision, and that's one

(44:23):
of the things you've probably seen onmy website. I have a very large
community of friends from the running teamand from team world Vision. Those friends
are like family to me today andso so yes, community is huge.
It's given me a sense of purpose. Having young children come hug you is

(44:50):
the best of the world. Childrenare so loving, so kind. They
don't care how old you are,how young you are, how tall you
are, how short you are,any how good looking, how ugly.
They don't care. They're just acceptingof everybody. And so yeah, it's
just a very moving, moving experience. Well, the thanks for sharing this,

(45:15):
this, this, this story isbeautiful. And again I see you
were in the out of your comfortzone there and this but this trigger and
again I change and again linked tothe thing that when when we started,
the empathy inside is something that isshowing up outside. When you mentioned that

(45:37):
love you, you move to trantransposed to say the love for the other
and everyone was seeing that and welland with strangers, strangers that anyway they're
going to. The church is aselected type of people, but still there

(45:57):
are plenty of multitude in this big, huge church. And this is very
okay. Are you writing a book? This could be a chapter. Yeah,
this could be an entire chapter inthe book your book, because and
I get that this is I thinkthis is a big, big, big

(46:22):
one in in the longevity and andwhat is resulting. So this this was
again one question I raised Brian Johnson. But how you you deal with your
spirituality? I think was something likethat. It basically it was more on
the so he said, if somethingcannot be measured, I don't I don't

(46:45):
track. Indeed, it's how howcan you track? This is not like
a test you two every every sixmonths. It's yeah, it's not tangible,
it's not, but is a hugecomponent. And that this again coming
back to the blue zones when thesocial communities is impacting for sure, But

(47:09):
yeah, it's not measurable, butit's very noticeable. Yes, yes,
I treat everybody that way now,not even not just people in church,
and I still get the same responsesfrom people so I mean, like you
said, you know, preaching tothe choir that you know, the people
at church are a certain type ofpeople. You know, it seems like,

(47:30):
yeah, it might only work withthem, but it doesn't. It
seems to work with everyone, whichis another big surprise. Yeah, this
is a lesson learnt for today aswell. Okay, we come back to
a little bit to the routine.We have all the latest routine on your
website, right, and I'm thinkingabout the parental principles. So because you

(47:52):
do quite a lot of stuff,you have also a wish list, so
you are interested for you what soexercise with oxygen systems you would like old
Zone or Zone as well. Iinterviewed as part of the podcast mister Zone
Doctor Zone missed a French salmburger.Yeah, this is is an interesting guy.

(48:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Iinterviewed it twice by in term of
applying the part to principle eighty twenty, so what twenty percent of effort giving
back eighty percent of results? Soamong these things or if you want to
have another way of formulating that,if you need to distill this into three

(48:35):
points or the major or the mosteffective, most impacted fool things you do
what what they will be. Well, I always have to go back to
the basics because you know, sleep, movement, sunlight, nutrition, I
mean, those are those are keyfor anybody doing anything really. In fact,

(48:59):
when I look at the people thatare on the Rejuvenation Olympics leader board,
I can think of the only twopeople I really know anything about would
be number four, Genvel and numbereight, which would be Julie Gibson Clark.
I don't know Julie personally. Ionly know you know what I've read

(49:19):
about her in articles, which Inever know how much of that to believe
based on what I've seen about articlesabout myself get things wrong, but the
majority of which they get correct.But and like I said, knowing jen
Vell, neither one of them domuch in the way of supplementation. So

(49:42):
it's mainly just living a very cleanlifestyle. Movement really important, sleep really
important, diet, nutrition really important. When it comes to bio X,
I would have to say that,you know, probably eighty percent of what
I get from bio acting comes frommy sauna. Okay, I have a

(50:04):
clear light Sanctuary three sauna, muchlike Ben Greenfield has a clear light sauna,
although his is the great, bigone where he can actually do workouts
inside of his I didn't have theroom in my tiny little house or something
like that, So a three personsauna was about the size that I could
handle. But I get so muchout of my sauna because basically, you

(50:29):
know, you're sweating out a lotof toxins, you're getting rid of regular
intercellular waste through sweating, You're increasingBDNF for you know, if your brain
growth. There's so many things heatshot proteins, with misfolded proteins. I

(50:50):
mean, there's just so many thingsthat sauna effects for the positive my skin.
I've noticed my my skin being somuch better, you know, from
my regular sauna use. I wasa massage therapist, went through massage school,
and we noticed that when you massagepeople who don't sweat very much,

(51:12):
don't exercise very much, their skinhas a certain feel to it. It's
almost like a crunchiness maybe like there'sa build up of I would guess maybe
have to say salt. I don'tknow, Yeah, I was thinking the
same, like dry salt that,yeah, and you feel you can feel
that in their skin where somebody whois more athletic and exercises often their skin

(51:37):
is much more supple, more smooth. You don't feel the crunch, and
so I'll get that from that aswell, plus myself. You know,
the far infra red, the nearinfra red, I'm sorry far and for
red regular infrared. And I addednear infrared floodlights to it too, so
I'm getting the red light treatment whileI'm in there as well. So to

(52:00):
do I would love to do itdaily. My life doesn't always permit for
that, so I try to doit after workouts, but I probably get
to it about three times a week, if not four. And they,
oh, yeah, that's right inthe background. So well, that's another

(52:22):
thing about my routines is everybody asksme, well, you know, how
is it that you can you doall this stuff? If I had to
go off and go do that,I mean I would never do it.
Well, I put it right there. This is my bedroom. My bed
is right next to me. Thisis my bed. I have off on
the other side of the bed,which you can't see, is a little
mini trampoline. So when I wakeup, I don't even have to get

(52:46):
out of bed to do my PEMFbecause my PMF Matt is right underneath me.
So I just turn it on.I lay there, I have a
smart home, and I speak toI'm gonna call her Amelia because if I
call her by her name, she'sgoing to right. I say good morning

(53:07):
to her, which launches her morningroutine where she says good morning back.
She tells me the weather, shetells me what's on my schedule for the
day, she tells me a funfact, and then she'll give me the
news from CNN, ABC News,and Fox News. So I get the
briefs from all three of those.So while I'm laying there doing the PMF,

(53:29):
I'm listening to like what's happening goingto happen in my day, what
the weather is going to be like, and you know, what's going on
in the world. So I'm doingtwo things at once. There are multiple
things that once did. And thenI get out of bed and I go
bounce a little bit on the minitramp, which you know, really helps
get the bowels moving. So Imight have to go run off to the
bathroom at that point, but thatI'll come back and I'll do the inversion

(53:50):
table for five minutes or so.So things like that they are right in
my vicinity. I have I wouldtrip over them. Otherwise I can't not
do them. So for me,doing all my routines comes from automating them,
basically making them my habit. Aslong as their habit and they're on

(54:15):
my path and my way out mybedroom and the way to the rest of
the house, I forget to dothem. Just this. This is one
of the key points for habits,removing friction, which which high love.
So this room I cannot show isa mess. My wife is heavily against

(54:37):
this because I keep everything. IfI keep storing weights or things like that,
or red light, or I forget. I struggle in initiating and getting
the first and then with cascade thesecond and the third. Yeah, I
would love to have everything view inopposite, but unfortunately is not realistic as

(55:04):
well. But Miriam, I said, hi, by the way, okay,
thanks, and then I love asauna. So it's also called this
posture as well. Do you knowcall this poisture as well? I do.
I actually bought a seven foot longchest freezer and it sits outside in

(55:29):
my back patio underneath the awning.But it's it's great. It works really
well, but it's hard to keepclean because if I if I go in
there, I tend to like toput lotions on from my skin, and
if I go there without taking ashower first, then the lotions just kind
of build up and leave us comUh. I don't have any kind of

(55:52):
ozone generator to clean it with,so it's not very practical as far as
keeping play in. So I docold showers at the end of my normal
showers, so that's okay. Yeah. Yeah, Michigan. The Michigan winters
get pretty cold, so I canjust step Shona and freeze the death.

(56:14):
Yeah, the song so Ona isgreat. I'm actually every time I travel,
I try to find an hotel withsauna, so to go there.
I have the red light there.I do every morning I do. I
used to do now d r dare workouts in front of the of the
red light, so I try tostart this. I have my Seasil and

(56:37):
Effective Disorder lamp here being in Luxembourg, which is pretty dark in the winter
as is another mess thing for Circadianrhythm as well. I add, just
because we talk about your website,if it's another interesting thing for the audiences.

(56:57):
You have your audible book beast,your podcast subscriptions. You so we
know you have a lot of books. You read in the twenty seventeen I
think it's eighteen, and so youhave locked all the books. And I'm
really curious, who is Dandy's Taylor. You read a lot of books,

(57:22):
and that's curious. Being an engineer, you you've really hit upon somebody that
you need to know. Okay,Dennis Taylor is an engineer who became an
author and he writes just brilliant scifi. Okay, if you look into
what you'll get hooked. I startedthe first book and I just had to
keep going. Okay, I willfollow your advice. I follow your okay.

(57:46):
And then you have the podcast andand there are two things that are
not common you you uses every nowand then I think mentally in blue yes
and at C sixty yes we arewhich are not. For some reason,
I don't know why these two thingsare hidden somewhere. It's because people are

(58:12):
talking always the same things and aman and but they don't talk about these
two things. For me are reallyreally important. So today is my blue
day. So I had my newmedaline and and so why what's why are
you using uh the two of them? And if you how often you use

(58:32):
them. So those fall under thethings that I cannot measure, but I
have faith. Yeah, yeah,I was trying to get away from doing
things, taking things that I couldn'tmeasure. So but but those, yeah,
I couldn't couldn't get rid of those. So there's a lot of interesting

(58:54):
science around C sixty. It's ifyou google for they call it the bucket
ball. I guess there was aguy in the name of Buckminster Fuller that
designed this geodesic shaped dome or sphere, and the carbon sixty molecule is shaped

(59:15):
like that, and I guess it'sI guess it's not natural. It's it's
a synthetic molecule. I could bewrong in that, but I think it's
something that they actually have to produce. But they found that it has these
really interesting and beneficial biological effects.And I'm no expert in it. I

(59:37):
wasn't prepared to answer this question.No, no, no, no no.
I can't go into the science oraround it. No, no,
no problem, I will. I'mreally curious. I would love to start.
And then the channel focus videos onspecific things like that is supposed to
really help with mitochondrial activation. Sothat's that kind of interesting. So I

(01:00:01):
do it for that. I don'tdo it all the time. I do
it, yeah, maybe once aweek, once every other week. I
just did it yesterday. Oh yes, good good. I do two or
two times twice a week, Ithink, and I listen to a different

(01:00:22):
podcastingte so I have to use itwith the vitamin C absorbely assid because of
electron stuff. Yeah, as youmentioned, I feel okay, but I
think that is giving me some steadyenergy. But I do for the beneficial
effects that are very well known,and see sixty. I'm really notice a

(01:00:45):
subjective feeling or more energy. Butagain this is another story. We are
going just one hour. I wouldlove to talk, but maybe we will
have another session sometimes after your tripto Italy. When coming I'm having fun.
Yeah yeah, peptides, So it'sa peptide injection right, Yes,

(01:01:07):
one of my favorite peptides is doingMelana tan too. So when you see
the two pictures of me versus Brianthat they like to post all the time,
where Brian's looking very very pale andI'm looking very canned, my tan
isn't from being out in the sun. Because I don't like to go.
I go in early morning and eveningsun, but not noonday sun. So

(01:01:28):
my tan is actually from the peptidemelana tan too. It's a peptide that
induces the production of melanin in theskin. And as you know, melanin
is something the body produces itself naturallyas a protection against UV radiation. And
so by doing this injection, youdo you know, multiple injections, well

(01:01:53):
like single injections each day for maybeten days in a row, and then
you go out in some sunlight andthe tan just pops. Yah. Yeah.
So before any major event like hat my church. I was in
our church's annual Christmas play where we'reon stage with a bunch of bright lights.

(01:02:16):
They want us to go get aspray tan or a real tan,
otherwise we look completely washed out withthe right lights. And I do the
milana tan too in preparation for that. So when my pictures were taken a
New Year's morning, I still hada really nice tan from that. So
this this on the website, right, Yes, you have my roomba is

(01:02:42):
in the background. It's okay,it seems on the airplane line. Okay,
okay, okay, Well it's prettymuch all from my side. Yeah,
there is a question about almond milk. You start doing preparing or you're
still buying, or you don't usean I haven't started doing it, so

(01:03:06):
I would love you because I don'tlike the garbage that they put in at
the store. It looks looks easy, so we will try. So maybe
we can share pictures. I like, I would like to, you know,
make my uncle butcha, I'd liketo make my own yogurt. And
I guess things aren't difficult, theyjust take time, and so yeah,

(01:03:27):
yeah, I mean, yeah,I never what about kimchi. Oh,
kimchi would be interesting too. I'veonly just recently started doing kimchi. I'll
mix it in with sour kraut whenI make a chuck roast, so I'm
not actually tasting the kim chi directly. It's mixed in with other flavors.
So wow, I know it's justgoing yeah perfect. But also the one

(01:03:52):
day sell is almost always with sugar, and I really don't like it.
I will try as well. Soany other point, I will link everything
to the show notes, So anyother thing you would like to say before
are closing this call. Wow,I listened to the podcast that you had

(01:04:13):
with Brian Johnson, And Brian's aninteresting guy. There's so much of what
he says that I completely agree with, and yet there's other stuff that he
says that I just think, No, I don't agree with that at all.
Like Brian thinks that we're all hopelesslyand helplessly unable to do the things

(01:04:36):
that are in our own best interest, and I don't think that's true.
It's not for me. I thinkit's just a matter that we don't look
into what is in our own bestinterest. We don't question that, we
accept things as they are. We'rekind of brainwashed into the same society beliefs

(01:05:00):
that everybody else is, and sowe don't look into things deep enough.
But I think if we're shaken upa little bit, Like you notice when
people get a health scare, whenthey get that cancer diagnosis, they all
of a sudden change their lifestyle.They miraculously start eating less processed foods and
start eating more fruits and vegetables.And you know, why don't we do

(01:05:23):
that stuff before we get a cancerdiagnosis, so that we don't get the
cancer diagnosis. Now, things likethis that we need wake up calls,
And I just think more of usneed these kind of wake up calls in
our life to start changing things nowslowly, not just radically upheave our daily
life, but start slowly making changestoday that can benefit our health and our

(01:05:46):
lungelly and we'll be so much betterfor it. But you know, you
have to be introspective, you haveto question these things. And once you
know, I think, then it'seasy to do. It's no matter we're
helpless and we're incapable of what theworld. That's that's we're not aware of
what that's interesting. That's that's agreat point. I fully agree when it

(01:06:11):
is it's not in line with whatis happening in the world today. But
but it's AI all this before developingan eye, which develop our own I
I first the comfort in which weare as a humanity. To do what
you are saying, which is theright thing, you need effort outside comfort

(01:06:36):
zone. And this is going byover hears down downtown unless people are willing
to. I would say software becauseit's not suffering. But when when you
go out of your comfort zone,it's not nice. I mean, so
it's easier now to look at okay, okay, like it is something will

(01:07:00):
happen or we have AI solving problemsin some way that no one knows if
and ever, and yeah we lookto Mars. Okay, we're colonize in
Mars. Okay, well okay,we still have planet Earth hear. So
yeah, I fully fully aligned withwhat you say. But oh again,

(01:07:20):
people and following many many communities,the bioacking to zero. People are trying
to copy routines. People are willingto take supplements to just just for the
sake of finding the magic recipe.Okay, I do the same thing that
Andrew Huberman is doing. Petter atwhy you are doing something that it's another

(01:07:46):
human being like anyone else. Butyou can be inspired. You can learn
a lot. So I learn alot. As you mentioned, there are
many points that you believe that isstill the like when we were talking about
medilian blue and we'll see sixty andsomething that in these communities may never have

(01:08:09):
any effects of validation scientific or anything, or something that may have in twenty
years from now and we don't know. Maybe they will discover the Medilene Blue
will solve something that we don't knowyet or maybe not. I mean,
there is there's plenty of things tolearn. I think the learning point and

(01:08:30):
introspection, as you mentioned, isa key point for humanity. I'm talking
about humanity overall and spirit and thespirit outside is another thing that should should
should grow more. Thank you,very very good the inspiring words. Thank
you very much, Dave. Thankyou for your time today, but thank
you so much for making us fun. I was I was a little scared

(01:08:53):
because that's my very first podcast,so thank you for being gentle with me.
No, thank you, Thank youvery much. Dave, you're you
have great Thank you, I thankyou. Take you Did you like this
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