Around The ATL Atlanta Hawks Season Review

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Love, holda hi. Good eveningeveryone. This is Chris on IMT and

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Worldwide Radio, and this is aroundthe atl This is the Atlanta Hawks in
the season show. Six four sixsix ft two four four seven nine is
the number as we get started thisevening. Thanks for all of you who
will be tuning in live or watchlater on this week. So to kind
of get the ball rolling just alittle bit, let's do some housekeeping.

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First of all, again I wantto say, you know, my condolences
to those who lost loved ones andwere affected by many other shootings that have
been happening in Atlanta over the lastweek or so. Terrible tragedies are happening
right now in the city of Atlanta, so I just wanted to make sure
I mentioned that first and foremost realquick, So let's talk about what this

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show is about tonight. The twentytwenty two season was not fun. End
of the year forty one and fortyone never had a win street longer than
five games lost to bad teams,often lost thirteen games after having a ten
point lead or more. Lost severalgames despite having or being within five points

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with three minutes left. We didn'timprove as a defensive team for the second
straight year. Team was on paceto probably not even making play in at
all. Quite truthfully, there wasa coaching change late in the season.
The team ended up qualifying for theplay in. They won that game,
they beat Miami, ended up playingthe defending Eastern Conference champions, and despite

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the fact that many thought the Hawkswould be swept or a gentleman sweet per
se, that's how opportunities to winthat series, believe it or not.
Several Boston players comment at how ifyou know that coaching change, Possibly that
happened earlier in the season, itcould have been different, right, But
what's going to happen this offseason?A lot of things are going to change.
Obviously, what players will stay,who will go, Who will be

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on the new coaching staff with coachSnyder remains to be seen. There were
many positives. Trey Young led theleague in total assists for the second straight
year. We kind of predicted thaton the show. A J. Griffin
recognized as a rising star. BigOld was a forest off the bench,
even though even he got into thetop ten and blocked shots per game.

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You saw the growth of Jalen Johnsonas well. So we wanted to talk
about the goods, the bads,a little bit of the ugly, everything
under the sun. So hopefully youhave a good time watching the show tonight.
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so let's get ready to introduce ourco host for tonight's show. UM.

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He is a very long forever AtlantaHawks fan for sure. UM he is
a former season ticket holder by theway, UM well forts fan overall as
well. UM he's written a lotof articles about the Alouna Hawks and other
teams, UM sports Illustrated fansided thingsthat nature. Of course on Twitter,
as I mentioned Jordan twenty three atlmake sure you follow him, but he

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just loves sports. His name isJordan Jackson's going him and bring him into
the show. What's going on,sir? What's up? What's up?
What's up? Well, you knowit's always around the atl I'm usually coming
from the uh from coming to youfrom a different location around the atl to
Matt, I am coming to youfrom um the historic Lithonia, Georgia.

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Um, so that's where I'm currentlylocated. Turn out, call the folks
out there Hawks Twitter, who Iknow will be checking us out now as
well than the podcast form, weappreciate all of our listeners. How you
catch us live, which we preferso you call in and topping up with
us. But if not, youknow, as you stated previously, just
now you can also catch us onyour favorite podcast format as well us on

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YouTube, you know if you wantto see you know some of the expressions
do we make. When we weretalking about some of the things that's happening.
Um in Atlanta sports uh shry.I took the supervisor uh coach Dennis
Tony. Um. You know he'salso a big time Hawse fan as well.
Um. In fact that I wentto that last House game, and

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you know when I told him Iwas gonna go and get a standing room
moment tickets, he actually uh sunover to end so I could pick up
a few things from you from me, uh from the gear store. Um,
you know, they had a nicelittle stale going on at a certain
gear store. I don't know ifI want to put that out there old
airways, I might take all ofmy all of MC gear here in the

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future. But they had a nationaldeal man getting t shirts like eight dollars
and whatnot. So we were grabbedby seven the Peace coach Tony, and
I included this so that I haveon right now. UM. Oh quick
note, UM this n House relatedfrom coach Tony. He told me I
was talking abo him yesterday and hesaid that if Georgia wins. He sc

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again. Nick Saban will either retireat the end of this upcoming season or
the season out. So I justwant to put that out down the airways.
It can't got to coach through withthat prediction. Bucket up. We're
not here to talk bulldogs a night, We're here to talk Hawks. So
with that being says her, let'stalk about blow Hawks, all right,

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So that's probably be the last timewe get to play that one for the
year of two thousand and twenty three. Now, usually I would go into
the first topic or I'm gonna dois I'm gonna go ahead and bring this
caller into the show to see whatthey have to say about the Hawks season
go ahead. Didn't even gentlemen.This is John from the Union City trying

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representing the Union. What's going on, sir oh man? How y'all doing,
How y'all done? I'm glad tobe with you tonight. We need
on the draft recap. Third.We'll have to certainly have you back on
next time we talk Powkers because Icertainly need to sit your thoughts on everything
that's taken place since we last folks. Sir oh Man, I am so

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sorry. You know, um us, old folks sometimes had to go to
bed early in order to be toget up early, and that's what I
did. I went bed at seveno'clock. I'm kind of the same to
that, so I remember what Iwas so young, I was trying not
to go to bed at seven o'clock. Here, I ain't them in by
later years. I'm in the bedlike old folk. I'm being good,
agreed, but I definitely saw.But yeah, hey, what next time?

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Then the next time we can talkabout those fathoms. But uh yeah,
the Hawks, I got plenty toplay on that whenever y'all all ready
to you know, just started choppingit up. I got my acts and
got plenty of cord with the chopper. Oh boy, well, let's let's
do this. And before I wantto get started officially officially, I do

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want to mention something now for thosewho do get to watch the live show
or watch after the factor you're listeningon your podcast, there are some shows
I want you to go back andactually watch on the IMT and Worldwide Radio
YouTube channel, because there are certainshows that I did as the season progressed
that directly dealt with some of thethings that was happening with the team.

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Okay, So if you go tothe IMT and Worldwide Radio YouTube age,
if you if you start at thethis is the episode. Actually it was
the first. It was the secondaround the ATL side notes episode that I
did, and it was why now, why not last season? Kevin Hurder.

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This was about five months ago whenI first heard that trade and Kevin
Hurder was the worst trade things DominiqueWilkins. So I had to do a
whole show on that. And whatI did. I broke down thirty four
games of the twenty twenty one seasonto show what actually players did in those
games, Kevin, Trey, andJohn along with other players on that team,

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just to kind of show you whathe actually did that season as opposed
to what some people thought he did. Just to show you comparisons. Okay,
so that was five months ago.I did that show. I also
wanted to look at the show calledHawks Basketball that was about four months ago.
It was actually a recap of anarticle that I wrote in regards to
the fact that our season shouldn't begoing the way it is with having Murray

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and Trade on the same team.Okay, also did a show right after
that called do you want to Win? Or Almost Win? Okay? I
did a show right after that threemonths ago on a round the atl side
notes called it's Clint really the Difference. This was a period of time where
Clint had gotten hurt and I said, well, let's show you what he

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did the previous certain games here andthen it isn't coming back going to really
make that much of a difference ofhow we were playing at the time.
Watch that particular show. I alsohave a show where I talked about Hunter
for the first time. This wascalled False Expectations. This was about a
month ago. This is pretty recently, and I broke down the fact that,

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okay, well here's what he's beendoing over the last ten games,
and here's his comparison to other smallfours in the league. Don't we expect
him to be better than those othersmall fours? But guess I had to
do another show about Hunter not toolong ago. This was after by the
way, you gotta make sure youwatch of episode one twenty two and one
twenty three the Bob Rathman Steve HomerInterviews. But I did a show called

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do You Not Want the best ofa Player? And in that particular show,
I actually went through the number numberfour draft picks in NBA history over
the last thirty years, and alongwith some other things of note to let
you know, Okay, he wasa National Defensive Player of the Year coming
out of Virginia winning that national championship. We drafted him as a defensive player.

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Why shouldn't we have an expectation thathe'd become a stopper in the NBA?
Right the last show, I'm gonnamention that I definitely want you to
go and take a look at iscalled competition and consistency. Go watch that.
Now, all those shows combine giveyou a little bit of an overlay
of what happened happening during the entireNBA season for the Atlanta Hawks. I

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really want you to go and watchthose shows on the IMT on Worldwide Ideal
YouTube channel, because it's going toreally give you an essence of some of
the things that we're going to betalking about tonight. So that being said,
I'm gonna open it up a littlebit of Jordans just in general and
actually let me do this. Hereare some of the questions we want to
talk about tonight. How did youfeel about the season. How do you

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feel about the players? How doyou feel about the coaching? What changes
do you think will happen? Canthis team win a championship? So those
are gonna just be bits and pieces. We're gonna kind of freestyle this a
little bit tonight, but I'll havesome other specifics I want to talk about
with Jordan. You go ahead andlead it off, sir, Well,
so what's the What was the firstquestion? Because I want to direct the

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addrest the topics when you got themsaid, what was the first topic that
you mentioned? The easy one?How do you feel about the season?
Well, I feel ultimately the seasonabout um, when you when you add
a young All Star player, Um, you lose, You lose two more
games things you did the previous season. Um. Now you know it wasn't

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encouraging that at least one one boardgame in the postseason, So that part
of it was encouraging. But ultimately, you know, if I'm gonna be
bluntly honest, the season was afailure because in my opinion, anytime your
team fails to meet or exceed expectations, your season is a failure. And

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certainly I don't think any of usexpected the allot of Hawks to be an
eighth seed at the end of theregular season to begin to play in again.
Um you know, so you know, I can't categorize it's anything but
that. But with that being said, the victory over Miami, who you
know, really did a number onus in the postseason the previous year,

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and the playing game was certainly encouraging. And the fact that they did fight.
It didn't get gentlemen, swellt mafter going down three one one another
game and really should have forced thegame to cover Um, you know,
in the game a game I attendedat home, it was really a hot
we consisted game a hawse at afour point in need about this way to

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the four quarters that game, um, and just then kind of fall by
the wayside down the stretch. Soum. Yeah. But as far as
just this season alone, um,you know, if I can some of
them in one word, that wordis being yourself. John the same question,

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gentleman, let me tell you somethingn't been known to us after looking
back in that hindsight being twenty twenty, the Hawsted Mays was done In the
off season. Leading to this season, the front office, the situation with

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Rustler McMillan, as well as Shrinkwhen they win and got the Jonte Murray
behind Shlnk back. That really,in my opinion, looking back at everything,
that really set the tone for theyear because you had royally going on

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in the organization all the way upuntil Queenn got hired. Now, um,
let me say this on paper,and gentlemen, I'm just gonna say
on paper and everything that I sayfrom now on until the time that I,

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you know, moved on to somethingelse going to be on paper.
You traded away fifteen points per gamein Gallinari the game from Herder, and
you know that's a qualified fifteen pointsper game as you had it was it
was it was twelve points a game, twelve points, twelve points a game.
Excuse excuse me. I don't wantto get that man no more points

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than what he's supposed to be getting. Twelve point then I think it was
fifteen points a game in lou Williams. Now, this is on paper as
an average. You cut that outof your offense. You cut that out
of the offense this year. Okay, uh the line right, A couple

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of points. Yeah, you cansay here there or whatever. Then Solomon,
Um, Solomon Zones. I thinkthat's what his name is. The
toughness, the off the bench presidencethat you used to have. You didn't
have that anymore Thenovich, Oh Solomonhere. I'm sorry, man, I

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don't know where I got Jones Trumpat any rate. Okay, Bogie bo
Donovich wasn't available at the again anotheryear. Okay. John Collins had come
back too soon from that finger injuryjust to play in the playoffs in the
Miami Series, and he was stillsuffering from that when he got here.

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So that trade that was made toget the Jante Murray here and the resulting
loss of scoring that you had onthe team total coupled with the internal rawling
because okay, if you Travis Flinkis supposed to be the general manager,
how has he been you searched?How has he been undermanned? Then after

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you undermanned him, you ease himoff into Siberia, into one of the
slave labor camps, and nobody hearsfrom him anymore. All of this made
this team Yeah and plush man,man, I mean, I could go
on for another twenty minutes about allof the craziness that was going on with

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this team, especially all of theacrimony that Tray Young was getting, you
know, talking about he's shooting toomuch, he's doing this, he's doing
that, blaming trade And Okay,if you are bringing a Dejount Murray as
a helper for Trade Young or asa second point guard out there on the
floor, Trey Young has to stopdoing what he has been doing for four

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years prior. That is leading theteam, taking the tough shot, yeah,
and trying. And people are screamingfor him to be more efficient than
what he was the previous year.And the thing is is that shooters aren't
always efficient. There is no onepercent shooter. There is no seventy five
percent shooters. Okay, but TreyYoung. You know another thing? You

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know, every time I started talking, I started thinking about more stuff.
Well, who's the phrase of whatis the identity of the Atlanta Hawks?
The identity of the latter Hawk isTrade Young? Okay, Trade Young is
this team's identity. Well what theteam system? The system is Trade Young?
Trade Young is the system until yougive him some help, reliable help

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that can help him. The integrationof the Junta Murray with a Trade Young
is not It wasn't a smooth transition. It couldn't be because there were times
where, okay, Trade Young missa game or two, Trade Young wouldn't
be there, de John t Murderwould run the team. Oh the team
looks better when the Jount's running there. You don't You started hearing stuff like

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that, and I'm saying, Okay, you know, I understand that.
However, these are two different stylesof players. It's just like having two
sweet Shifts in the kitchen, bothof them trying to make a chocolate case.
You know, one person may doit one way, another person may

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do it another way, but you'llstill still end up with chocolate cake if
they don't strangle each other in thekitchen. And that's basically, uh,
that's that's my leading for tonight,because Seena, you're when we started talking
about this, you know, thereare going to be other things that I'm
going to think of. But that'swhat I saw. And the problem is,
just like you alluded to, isthat we were not that far away.

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We didn't get blown out that manytimes, but we hovered around the
five hundred mark. We just hoveredthere. We will go five up,
then we're gonna drop five down.We would look it was just like looking
at a e k G machine watchingthe Hawks, you know, because we
were flatlining and then that heartbeat wouldcome up, five points down, five

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points, dinner, flat line up, five points down five points, then
a flat line. And it wasjust frustrating because we would see flashes of
good would play out of them.We would see flashes of good play out
of them, and then they wouldjust go back to habits that were destrimental
to them. And it was andthe coaching change did not change that.

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The coaching change didn't say that,but there were people trying to say to
the coaching change, well, Quinn'sgoing to institute his system and this is
gonna happen. That's gonna happen.But it still was the same thing.
It was the same thing, lukewarm, or as the young people now
say, they were midded. Sothat's my lead in for the night.
Gentlemen, Well, I appreciate that, John. One thing I will say

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is that there was an implementation,but it wasn't going to be a one
hundred percent one. Just because ofthe time frame that you're talking about bringing
in somebody knew that was gonna beimpossible to say, well, you're gonna
bring in a completely different one hedidn't have. Obviously, you saw that
the whole coaching staff has been changed. So now he's about to get the
people that he wanted to have tobe able to coach alongside him. So

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that's going to be a right thereduring this offseason. But the worst slight
things that did change, and Iwill say this, the offensive efficiency of
the team went from one thirteen toone twenty, went from being sixteenth in
the league to forest in the NBA. So there was some changes there.
It just could it wasn't going tobe a matter of a permanent seed sort

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of speak in that short amount oftime and trade a lot of postgame interviews
continue to mention that, continue tosay that the things that they're they're learning
and they're they're trying to curb themselvesinto those things of whatnot. But like
I said, this is just thatwas a short period of time. But
you can see it and we knowand we know it because we beat Miami

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and we took Boston to the pointof they were scared and you can tell,
right, So there was and andthe guys from Boston said, shoot,
yeah, they had had that changea little bit earlier in the season,
Hulk would have been at least thefifth seed in the East. So
the changes were being implemented, ensureand there was things that were being done

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that did affect the team in apositive way. It was just twenty games
is not a time to again completelychange over everything that they've been learned for
basically like half a decade. Theybasically the last four or five years.
So I will say that just onthat end. So that does bring me
to my next point to kind ofstart start this off in regards to the
next part of this is the playersthemselves. Now, one thing I want

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to do is actually kind of giveeverybody a little bit of an overview of
what folks did the past season.So real quick. Murray came into the
team and he ended up, thinkabout this, when was the last time
we had to shoot and guard averagetwenty points a game in a season?

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That's what Murray did. In theseventy four games. He averaged twenty and
a half points, had one anda half stills, had six assists,
had five rebounds a game. TreyYoung, of course, he's everybody pretty
much knows what he did. Twentysix points, average, ten assists a
game, led the league in thesifth for the second straight year. Toldal
assists um Hunter fifteen points a game, UM four rebounds a game. Uh

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have one assists a game? UmJohn Collins again, you know already you
already know I'm about to say,but I'm gonna keep it until later.
But thirteen point six and a halfrebounds a game, uh, Bogie fourteen
points pretty good season this year.Quint twelve and eleven, cedecke Bay had
eleven UM a game. Big Oldhad nine points, uh seven rebounds,

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and again we know that he endedup ended up in the top ten and
blocks of one point three blocks thegame off the bench, which was really
impressive. UM a j r rookieeight point nine points a game, so
basically nine points a game. UMshot very well from three. We all
know that Jalen Johnson definitely had improvedyear. UM minutes continue to heat,

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but he had five point six pointsa game. I'm not going to really
get into Holiday in Culver and Holidayand Trent and the rest of those guys,
um, uh yeah, because therest of those guys didn't really play.
So that's why our team did forthe most part. As far as
minutes games played, things that nature. That was the bulk of the team
that actually got minutes. So thenext question is in regards to the players

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themselves, what do you feel Howdo you feel about the players overall?
Um, in regards to what theydid individually, how they played with each
other. You know you can youcan spot a couple of players if you
want to spotlight a couple of players. Um, but Jordan, I'll let
you go first. Well, UM, a couple of things. Well one

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thing, Um, I do wantto give the postseason steps here, Um
as my time to switch back tothe regular season. UM. Okay.
In the post season year, Umtur young of course later team is born
twenty nine point two points per game. UH played thirty eight minutes the game.

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In the postseason, averaged ten pointtwo assists, three point seven rebounds,
one point seven steals, zero pointseven blocks, and four turnovers.
Second leading scorer was de Jean Tabertwenty three points the game. Of course,
one less game due to suspension forbumping the rift at the end of
a game. There two to threepoints UH, seven point two rebounds per

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game, six point eight assists pergame, and thirty eight minutes m DeAndre
hundred sixteen point seven points per game, five point seven rebounds per game,
one point two assists, zero pointseven steals, zero point three blocks.
John Collins eleven point three points,four point three rebounds, KAY one block

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per game UM. Yet the previousUM three got a three point shoot up
a bit to thirty four point fourpercent. Bokebak dominvid Oh teachers, I
should have mentioned him before Collins becauseas far as I'm going to know to
a point, because the average thirteenpoint three points per game in the postseason
UM also average two point five assists, three rebounds and zero one steal.

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The zero point eight blocks per gameUM Clint Cappella eight point three points per
game, eight point three rebounds pergame UM in twenty five minutes of action
UM and zero point yeah zero pointsseven blocks per game, no zero point
five blocks per game. Excuse mefor Clint Uh. Sadique bay Uh twenty

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two point two minutes per game,seven point five points per game UM,
also four rebounds UM and one assists. Una Como six points per game,
six rebounds per game and twenty onepoint eight minutes, also one point three
blocks, which was a team highUM. As Real and Jalen Johnson nine

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point three minutes per game UH,four point three points, UH, two
point five rebounds, one point threeassists UM, and zero point five steals
per game on NARON Holiday, onlyplayed four business total UM and scored UM.
It's spotlighting some of the players.But one of the things I gotta

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mentioned go back with John's point.UM, A couple of the people who
were trying to act like the teamjust running better without dejean Ja Murray when
trade was out. These are justtrade haters. These are people that still
wishes that guy, Um the playsfor Dallas. There's been in kmkoun the
lot along with than our guys thanin Camco was on the team. Because

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the host record was that young theseason with three wins and six losses.
Okay, that's not better. I'msorry, that's just just not better.
Um, for a five hundred teamto have twice as many losses as wins,
he's not an improvement with treyout.So that's a false narrative right there.
UM, I mean a pot onthe positive note, you know,

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Um, Tray young man. Imean, I mean, obviously that's the
husy answer, but he stepped hisgame up. Um, He reduced his
points per game a little bit umin the regular season from the twenty eight
points that he's been averaging the lasttwo years to buy into twenty six,
but his assists jumped up to doubledigits for the first time in his career

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at ten point two assists per gameUM. As right now, he's still
also the playoff leader and assists pergame UM, so you know, he's
the first player I just want tomention now. One knocker on trade is
always turnovers. Old turner once't hasto say though, as all turners aren't
creating people. Sometimes people just lookat a box school or and see four

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turnovers, but they don't realize oneor two of those turnovers was actually because
the person they were trying to passthe ball to was not doing the right
thing. A prime example there wasa play in Game five of the playoffs,
the last Hawks victory of this season, and Trade had the ball kind
of on the left wing and theywere kind of they were they were running

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Sadique bays Man at Trade, andso Trade passed the ball to the corner
because the way the defense was playingthat the right play would have been for
us. A debay to fade tothe corner, and if he had he
fades to the corner, they passedwith the resulted in a wide only three
point shot at him. But becausehe didn't tried to break break back towards
trade, he ended up being aturnover charged the trade. But in a

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lot of the sea, you know, if they were really proceeded to scoring
that that should have been a turnovercharged to Sadique bade Um. Now for
that being staid, trade does doesup the turnovers. Saw cut them down
some. I think that's one ofthe next steps in his development and him
taking his game to a let evengreater level than it already is. Also

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Um, I saw the improvement fromtrade on defense. He was more active,
he got in front of guys.He's learned how to shoot the passing
as against skills. He's ripping guys, you know, by being um more
aggressive against ball hollers. Um.So I definitely saw it improvement in his
defense, which is another positive fromtrade. And another negative I go with

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from trade was his shooting percentages.His shooting percentages overall did go down,
like he went through a stretch aroundMarch February March when he shot the ball
very well. Where his procentages wereback up, you know what they were
for the whole season, the previousseason. Um, and what what we've
been noticing the trade is he hashad good shooting year and his shooting to

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drop the next year, and likethis past season. You know, he
for example, before this you wantto just pass, not to one to
just pad. But the twenty twentytwo seasons, twenty twenty one, twenty
two season, he shot career highsacross the port. Then they dropped back
down this season in the twenty twentytwo, twenty three seasons. So I'm
gonna go on record around the ATM. You know, that's what we do.

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I'm gonna I'm gonna jack that tradewill follow that same pattern and either
shooting career high next year or comevery close to matching his last year.
Told us, okay, well,one thing I want to follow up,
Jordan on what you're staying in regardsto well, actually, John one in
regards to trade being you know,part of the main cause of the offense

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obviously, right t trade had tenassists a game in a non motion offense.
Think about that. And I alwaysbring this up during certain games where
you have three people standing behind thethree point line. You got Clint at
the bottom and his Trade at thetop, and somehow he's getting the ball

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to people even though they're not movinganywhere. Right. So you have that
aspect to where if we ever gotthe motion or true motion offense, how
many more assists would Trade get pergame? Just to let you know,
now, on John's point in regardsto again trade being the main cog of
the offense, I want to goahead and remind people of that with the

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following video. Again, he's youngYoung I a superstar player who will take
the shot and take the shot ona halfway dog on a regular basis.

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He is a good person who canput you on their shoulders. Like all
these other teams have their stars todo. We have it, and unfortunately
there's still a whole bunch of peoplewho don't want him in town for some
crazy reason. I don't understand it. When he's averaging twenty six and ten.
How many players in the NBA currentlyare averaging twenty six and ten on

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any kind of well that's not acenter and averaging twenty six and ten rebounds
or something like that. He's doingit twenty six and ten assists every night.
You see what I'm saying. Sothat's one thing that we definitely have
as a positive on our team.We do have Trey on on our team.
We have a player that was putin the Boston Celtics in the position

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that if we have messed around inone game two, like we should have
had not lost that home game inAtlanta, Game six could have been elimination
game for the Boston Speltics instead ofthe Hawks. Right. So that's what
we have going into the next comingseason. Now, as far as other
players, you know, we could, we could. I just kind of

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mentioned. You know, we talkedabout Hunter a lot on the show,
and I've broken it down. Hopefullyyou go back and watched around the atl
side those episodes on IM in WorldwideRadio, on YouTube, Please go watch
that. I don't want to reiteratethose too much, although I do have
video. I told some of themup. I didn't believe them yet.
I can go back and show yousome of the some of the mishaps.
I don't want to get into thatright now, but I Chris. I

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want to coastline Chris when he's tellingy'all to go watch um, you know,
those those um you know Bobush episodesup around the ATL Because let me
tell you something, this guy Breadhe breaks down to talk about like he's
meeting about it. I mean he'sputting out all the times. Anybody who
follows me on Twitter and know whenI really get into a hotly contestants debate

(37:37):
about something harm so facings um evenI will put basically the Twitter equivalent of
a PowerPoint presentation with all of that, you want to see me, I
beat everything, And that's the approach. Chris take um and those episodes so
I won't throw a quick flood andco signed Chris and Chris on that watch
those because he really is giving youall of the number to the part where

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it's pretty much. I appreciate that, no part of Norris. So as
far as other players on the team, we can talk about you know Hunter,
we can talk about Bogeye, wecan talk about Murray. And I'm
not asking for the fans. Ifyou're watching, I see a couple of
people watching on the YouTube channel,appreciate that six fours two six two six

(38:21):
four six six five two four fourseven nine is a number called into the
show. Give us your opinions,or whatnot. But I do want to
talk about John Collins just a littlebit. Okay, for another year,
third year in the row. Hisattempts went down, okay, and him
not being the primary vocal point,especially on the role. Not even besides

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that, but it has hurt.But before the fact that his attempts are
going down, if you've ever playedbasketball, you know that it gets a
little bit more difficult when you're notin the flow of the game on the
offensive side, especially if you area post player, especially if you can
actually shoot the ball on a regularbasis. Now he is shooting sup aside,
He's still finishing aside very high rate. Right every time he did getting

(39:07):
the ball. The few times hedid get the ball on the post,
he usually scored right. But toget into a flow to where you can
get quote unquote hot, you gotto touch the ball a couple of times.
And if not always touching the balland shooting, it's just having the
ball, you see what I'm saying. And I do my basketball videos on
Sunday nights, and I talked aboutthis all the time. My team just

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won five straight games again last Sunday. One of the main reasons I'm going
in the post and I'm looking formy teammates. I'm creating offense because whether
or not people are cutting to thebasket and I'm getting them a wilde open
layup, or they're cutting and movingaround the three point line and I'm giving
them angle to where I'm passing himthe ball for a wild open three pointer,

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or guess what, I'm throwing upthe baby's hook, or I'm doing
the turnaround jumper. It's because Igot the ball, you see what I'm
saying. So when you have theball one way or the other, you're
in involved in that offense. Youknow you're involved in the offense. When
you're only getting seven shots a gamein a forty eight minute night, that
ain't great at any start at thetime, and it's hard for you to

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get into rhythm. You see whatI'm saying. It's the same thing in
football. If you're not getting passesthrown to you, it's hard for you
to get into a rhythm. Ifyou're not getting the ball where you're getting
to run the ball, and you'renot getting to hear the lot one of
the first things you hear when therunning back gets hit and they wanted to
get that first hit in there,right. They want to hit the juices

(40:30):
flowing, so to speak. Rightwhen you're not involved in the natural offense.
It's a human nature thing. It'snot that they're not professional, it's
the game itself where you're not asin tune as you would be if you
were involved, and you know you'reinvolved, even if you're setting a screen
for somebody. You see what I'msaying, which is something that we should
be doing like wholeheartedly this year.So I'm hoping that John is actually gonna

(40:53):
be taken away from standing on thatthree point line, which I talked to
his mom, that was something hewas told to do. I'm gonna let
y'all know it, okay, Andhe has actually put back into that position
where he is that primary role guyagain. And we know that when you
know him and Big Old played together, that's what happens and all of them,

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you see John have these big games. If not a fluke, if
not a fluke, I you gottado is watch the games. So hopefully
they'll be able to integrate that nomatter who's on the team next year around
him, because he's a big partof our team. If we have him
on our team. His sophomore season, his second year in the league,
he was nineteen and ten player,his third year twenty one and ten.

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So why did we go away fromhim to where all of a sudden,
he's seventeen and six and sixteen andall of a sudden thirteen points a game.
When he can hit all the shots. He could hit threes, he
could hit two, so he canhit from anywhere on the court, and
he is a pristine finisher in theinside and he's exciting at that right And
then on top of that, hehas improved his defense as well, block

(42:00):
shots, the rebounds of blocking outhe's done. He's done. He's done
his duty on that end, Sowe're not utilizing him. And again,
I'm sorry, but click can't hitthe jumper, you can't hit the free,
you can't hit free throws, andoften and not he misses on the
inside way too much for her,him being the spinner. That's his fact.
It happened, Okay. So I'mhoping that there's some kind of transition

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of some sort for John because he'sgonna he could be a focal point on
our team for a long time tocome and help us win some championships.
So I just have to throw thatout there about John. Mister Harris,
we had heard from you in aminute. I want you to go ahead
and speak your piece real quick.Let me just say third that I agree
with you on John Teller's approve themon defense not only has a health de

(42:45):
filler, but that culminated in thatplan win with him actually defending Jimmy Butler
one on one oftentimes good point,making it very well off the boler the
sport inside, forcing them to bemore of a jump shooter, and that
was a big part of the wholewinning that playing game. Trying to go
here, sir, now John Collins, John Collins, and Trey Young this

(43:15):
year in the off season, theydefinitely need to work, like I mean,
they really need to work. JohnCollins, especially John Collins, is
has the size as far as heightis concerned, to be able to dominate.

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Okay, but he needs a sidebecause in the yes, yes,
in the Eastern Conference, you're gonnaget bumped, you're gonna get knocked,
you're gonna get hit, and therethere there aren't gonna be any power calls.
They're not gonna be any power calls, especially if you're play in Boston.
You know that, uh, nobodyhas gotten the calls worth speaking about

(44:00):
in Boston since Kareem days. Okay, so, and I mean it's not
just to Hawk because everybody, we'llgo back for the Bill Russell them oh
oh yeah, oh yeah, ohyeah. You know the seventy sixers kids
complain about it, the Washington Bullets, a Cleveland, Chicago, everybody,

(44:23):
Detroit. I mean that that's justthe way it is. So you have
to be the size and strength ofa player to be able to absorb it
as well as dish it out.You know, I'm just like Charles Barkett.
You're gonna call a foul. Letme give you a foul to call,
all right now, Trey Young,if he does have aspersions to become

(44:51):
like Steph Curry, he's got towork because Steph Curry, once he gets
rid of the bone, does notgo and stand off to the side and
not move. Steph Curry is aperpetual motion machine. Trey Young needs to
learn that well real quick. John. That's also a point of the offense

(45:15):
that they actually run as well,because he can't just run by himself.
Everybody is moving on that team.Everybody is setting screens on that team.
So that's a that's a team effortpart of that. To wear. You
gotta be on the same page tobe able to do that, because if
just one player is running around andmoving and everybody else is still standing still,
it don't do you nobody no goodbecause nobody knows, Oh, I'm

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supposed to be looking, I'm supposedto be We're supposed to be passing this
ball until somebody gets the open shotswe don't have. We have not had
that on our team. So that'sa matter of the drilling and the practice,
and the practice and the drilling tomake that a natural thing for everybody
to wear. One getting shaped forsure, because we're going to move and

(45:58):
have that implemented. Because without thatthat that has to be something that's taught.
That's not something that just comes naturally. That's something that was ingrained in
that team for the offense. Ijust wanted to say that real quick.
But let me add to that thatI do see Josh part to a degree
though, because when you watch thetake that always does he kind of stands
there. A lot of times hestands far back to to where it's not

(46:20):
even the easy angle to pass inthe ball unless they just totally leave him,
which we know he can't shoot himfar back. But at the same
time, I don't I don't reallywant trade to be Steph Curry because Steph
Curry I almost plays more like ashooting guard where he's always consistently running off
screams. I don't think you takethe ball a lot of trades hands because
he's the best passer in the gamein my opinion, I mean, ain't
too many. You can argue thatwith maybe James Harden, I mean maybe

(46:45):
Lebron, but Lebron and have thenumbers and as since this year. I
agree. I don't say it likethat, but on the basis of some
plays, they need to be doingthat because he is a shooting That's why
I was gonna go Chris that youwant to, but you don't want him
to be like Steph Curry doing thatall game every game. That's my point

(47:07):
point there. But I do seeJohn's point to where he can be better
with his offa movement, and Iagree with that needs to be put in
the offense where there's a screen andthere's a prescribed motion, a prescribed place
he's supposed to run prescribed screen he'ssupposed to come off of, and that
way, you know, I thinkthat's how you get him do it better.
But when there's not a screen,you know, he does need to

(47:28):
kind of not just that for offall the time, kind of comeing a
bit, kind of get close toa lot of times, you know,
just just have a little bit moremoving within his area, just to make
to give his teammates a better passangle to make him top of the guard.
John, go ahead, sir,continue my apart. Oh no,
no, no, no, no, no, no. See. I
take what you guys, bring whatit is that you say, and I

(47:51):
just put it on in the stepand just start stirring. Hey man,
you know now I agree with bothof you. Now, the analogy that
I gave a few minutes ago aboutDejant Murray and Trey Young both being on
the floor, now dejan Say Murrayserved as shooting guard, but Dejane Murray

(48:19):
is a point guard. Tray Youngis a point guard. I'm you know,
I'm not really sold on having twopoint guards on the floor. I'm
not really sold on that because it'sjust like at times they just like putting
two positive poles on a magnet.Together, they councel each other out,

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they counter each other because of Dejansay Murray's training Guyn there with pop what
Tray Young has been used to doingsince he's been here, or have been
allowed to do since he's been here. And like I said, the integral
ration of those two together. See, Kevin Hurder was supposed to be our

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shooting guard. Kevin Hurd supposed tobe our shooting guard. Okay, Kevin
Hurder has nowhere near the movement theskill set of a Trade Young except for
his chosen role as a shooting guard. I'm supposed to be getting points from
you because you're supposed to be myfirst option or first second option to pass

(49:24):
the ball to when I bring itup. Because Trade Young, if you
look at a gentleman Trade Young whenhe was by himself here as the you
know, the option, he wasdoing two jobs. He's the point scorer
as well as a facilitator and theand the point guard job is to facilitate,

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okay, not be the leading scorer. That's why people did what they
did this year, as well aswhat Miami did to him in Miami,
because they knew that if you stopTrade Young, you stopped the Hawks.
Okay, now, since that wasthe case. Since that was the case,

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that's what they concentrated on doing.They double team and trade Young from
the inbounds pass, They double teamand trade Young as soon as they come
across the half court line, allof that type of stuff. And you
know, you were looking for somebodyelse that well, we'll have to help
him out, somebody to pass theball to, somebody to get the ball

(50:28):
too, so that they can,you know, so they have to run
their offense and do whatever. Andyou know, you know, I'm just
kind of torn because I believe thatthis is what Shrink was suspecting, what
happened when he didn't want to giveup that much for Murray to get him

(50:51):
here, and how Murray was goingto fit in, you know now,
I mean, I'm telling you,gentlemen, it was just it was just
kind of confusing, and and youknow, it was just kind of confusing,
just kind of confusing into you know, the integration of the John Ty

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Murray into the offense. What TreyYoung's role was going to be, him
adjusting to a de John Murray aswell as all of the royal and going
around as to how Nate supposedly wastreating him and what was going on as
far as that was concerned. Asas you continue to talk about that,
let's go ahead and start talking abouton the coaching side of things and how

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that, uh, you know,how the current season and then how the
end of the season and going intothe future. So continue with your point,
but we're gonna go We're gonna talkabout coaching for a little bit now.
Yeah. Um, And you know, when Trey Young first got drafted,
you know, even with with LloydPierce, the first thing that I

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started noticing was that the team thatwas compiled needed to have a Hubie Brown,
Huby Brown or Mike Protello coaching them. That's what they needed. Because
the thing was, I was justunder the impression, impression that these people
didn't know the basics about basketball,playing, defense, scoring, uh,

(52:22):
not turning the ball over all thattype of stuff. Now right now,
when Nate McMillan took over, itwas just like pat Riley coaching a Magic
Johnson, James Worthy, Kareem peoplewho knew what to do. That he

(52:43):
figured that they knew what to doand he didn't have to get into that
intimate one on one coaching and berunning up and down the floor like Protello
used to do when he was coachingthe Hawks. But these people needed coaching.
I mean they needed coaching during practice, they needed coaching during the game.
They needed to be like treated likeThibadea treats New York. You know,

(53:05):
had to be in there behinds allthe time because they didn't bring a
lot of them didn't bring any prerequisitewith them, you know, coffee,
not Chris. I could have allgone if you wanted me to mess up
a game. Oh, I couldhave came out, didn't mess up a
game, way cheaper than what you'repaying these folks to mess a game up
with. If you understand what I'msaying, you know, there are things

(53:28):
that you that I'm feeling, andI remember expressing it to you guys once.
It'sfore there are things that I'm feelingthat you should know that you should
just nope, you know, butthey don't. And these people needed training
like that. They really needed it. You know, they weren't getting it
out of Nate because you know,it was just the same where Nate h

(53:51):
didn't feel that, you know,he had time to do that, didn't
have anxiety to do that. Andone of the things I'm gonna interject real
quick, um and old yeah,oh, I'm through. I'm through you
all think. Yeah. One ofthe things on the coaching analogy side that
I've always brought to the attention ofeverybody over the last four or five years

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is that making the assumption that somebodyknows what they're doing because they're called a
professional if you're trying to win can'tbe accepted because if it's clear that they
don't and you don't want to takethe responsibility to actually teach what they don't
know, that that's on you asthe leader, as a manager, all
those management positions I've ever had,everything is on me, the good and

(54:37):
the bad. If people do goodin the restaurant, great, I get
credit for that. But then ifEvander Holyfield don't get his drink on time,
that's my fault one way or theother, even though I wasn't personally
serving him. Right, If ChrisTuffer is there and his his safety's cold,
that's what that's my faults, won'tway or the other. I'm running

(54:58):
things at that point, right,I have to take I have to take
the front of that, and thenI got to fix it on top of
that to where it never happens again. That's the whole point of being the
leader. If you want to bethe leader, you got to take the
good and the bad. You've gotto be over everything in that organization.
Everything on the sales floor, everythingin the restaurant, and everything that happens

(55:19):
on the team is your responsibility.You can't just leave it up in the
air, just twiddling around and hopingfor the best and it sticks. If
you can see that a person don'tknow how to block out, you gotta
fix that. You don't they don'tknow how to switch or rotate properly.
We keep overhelping year after year afteryear after year, and our numbers saying

(55:42):
that we're always losing games because you'regiving up seventy eight points in the paint
and twenty five second chance points andtwenty fast break points. Then you know
it doesn't make any sense to notaddress it when it's addressable and then it
can be fixed. And that's wherethat coaching, the coaching a human definitely
comes into play, to where you'rerecognizing that and you care that it's happening.

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There was a point where Nate personallysaid it don't. I don't think
it's a I don't think it's aproblem that we keep losing leads. He
said that in December, y'all,I don't think it's a problem. It's
not a problem, you know.So just the lack of daisicalness of it
all came down to with what reallyeven matters there, because if we're not
gonna do anything on defense, we'renot going to run an actual offense,

(56:28):
then we're gonna get We gotta getlucky to win a game. Is that
what we're saying. And that's whatbasically happened this whole season. We lost
nas Jordan mentioned the other day welost two more games than we lost last
year. That ain't good, yousee what I'm saying. So that's why
this season was so disappointing because talentwise, as John said, on paper,
we had no fusess being in theposition that we were in, and

(56:49):
we would show the flashes, youknow what I'm saying. Like I was
at the Boston game in December whenwe got blown out on ESPN two days
before that, though, we're beatingthe wall, m walking straight up,
and we came back home and laidan egg like that, and I had
to fight Boston fans all night long. I drove two hours for that game.
That wasn't cool for me to haveto sit through that. So those

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are those just some of those.You know, again, we lost thirteen
games even though we had a tenpoint lead or more, we lost the
game anyway, right, We lostalmost twenty something games where we were within
five points or less with three minutesto go. We lost those games.
That was the season right there.We just turned out around. We're fourth
in the East, easily fourth inthe East. Right, So that's where

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it comes down to direction. Andthat's where I said, you know,
with the coaching change happening when itdid, there's goods and bad to that.
But you know, going into thefuture, we're going to have a
plan. We're gonna actually we willhave a recognition of an identity of things
of that nature. We don't knowwho as was going to be on this,
on the coaching staff overall, butwe know those things are going to

(57:58):
be addressed, or they have tobe addressed because otherwise we can't. We
kind of afford away for another seasonof trede Young and John and these guys
being on the team. There gotto be a breaking point, right,
So that's why I think this season, more so than India, is going
to be very important. But wegotta tape them it again. We should
have beat Boston first round. Weshould have beat them straight up, and

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I think a lot of people knowit. Boston definitely knows it right,
So I think we should be excited. Go ahead, should have one.
We should have won those games.So we should be really excited about what
happens is off season on the teachingend and the grasping of the concepts on
a whole hearty basis. Um atJohn mentioned, hopefully Trade gets a little

(58:43):
bit bigger in size, John getsa little bit bulkier, you know,
things of that nature. Everybody reallywants to work the off season and get
these habits that they've learned, orthey got to unlearn the unlearnable stuff that
they never should have been learning inthe first place. They got to get
out their system once and for all. And this is gonna be that time
where when you do have this actualcoaching staff, coaches team, and if

(59:06):
they're still doing this stuff in theregular season. Okay, now we got
to make a decision on the players. You see what I'm saying that that's
that's gonna be definitely apparent in thisparticular case. So, UM, I
just wanted to kind of get thatout there a little bit. Um.
Any other further uh talk on coachingstaff, because I do want to get
into the last couple of things.Um, before we got about an hour
left, I want to I wantto make sure we get everything tonight.

(59:29):
But any other thing about coaching,y'all want to mention? Oh right,
yeah, I definitely want to hiton both of y'all just said. Um,
First of all, I do agreewith you, Chris, ultimate the
book stops with the head coach.He is responsible. Um, So I
certainly agree with you there. Andof sometimes I don't feel like they acountability

(59:49):
y'all y'all, he blamed our energyall the time stuff as opposed to anything
to do with his scheme. Um. I also agree with John this team
needed coaching that laid back, youknow, let the players figure it out.
Stuff that's not for his young team. UM. So yeah, we
needed a more hands on coach.We needed a guy just animated, and

(01:00:13):
you needed a guy that's just onthe sideline. You do you know,
you see video of him in practiceshowing uh sitting down while anybody else is
down on the court. He uh. You see him coach Quinn Snyder sitting
at the table with DeAndre Hunter watchingfee him. Um, that's type of
stuff this team needed. And thenwe just weren't getting that out of date
from to hit on John Collins.I'm a John Collins fan. Everybody knows

(01:00:37):
that. Um. He you talkabout his his his stature or what have
you. To me, it doesn'treally affect him and finishing, He finishes
well through contact. Where it affectshim is to get in position before he
gets up in the air, beforehe gets the balls and goes into what
he's doing. Um, you knowhe can't be rooted out of times and

(01:01:00):
that's something gets stronger and maybe addinga little bit more weight UM for health
prevents um ultimate for John college tobe successful with Clint Capella. And we're
gonna talk about that here defenders.But there's an issue, just like we
talk about a fit with trade thatand de gent is the worst bit between
John Collins and Clint Copella. AndI'll stayed the resting to talk about,

(01:01:22):
you know, into changes or whatnot. Um, you can started out so
well. Also, I just wantto go here on a couple of other
things John talks about. You mentionedKevin Hurder a couple of times. Um,
let me tell you something. KevinHurder is living off of that one
game Feminily has against Feller. Thatfee was a great game. He helped

(01:01:45):
us winner series against a higher sea. The team up a major ups and
he was depreciated board. But theseries that's that against Milwaukee he shot twenty
six point three percent from three pointrange. The series that against Miami he
shot. The following year he shottwenty nine percent from three point range.

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This year was the Sacramento Kings inthe playoffs, and that's seven game series.
He shot twenty point five percent,not twenty five percent, four out
of the seven games. He didn'teven score double digits. In the Miami
series, he didn't score double digitsbut two times in that five games series.
So right, he out of nine. He got a thirty nine from

(01:02:28):
three this year in the postseason.But Kevin Hurder is a playoff joke.
Harden Um. You know, Ithink that if he would have been given
the same amount of minutes here,if Kevin Hurder got Jay Gripper could have
done with Kevin Hurder did okay asa rookie as a nineteen year old.
So I don't really like to heara lot of crimes about Kevin Hurder got

(01:02:49):
here. Now, if we notgetting something to help our team this year
for Kevin Hurder, you know wedid not. I mean, Justine Holiday
didn't help our team. Nothing wegot from sacramental health of our team.
But we are still getting the futurefirst round draft pick in that trade,
which that couldn't be put into atrade to help us get it even better
player or we might just draft theplayers is being Kevin Hurder can't be much

(01:03:12):
worse than Kevin Hurder is in theplayoffs, he got the cloud choke artists.
I'm glad it's gone. Um theymade the right decision to give rid
of him. I also disagree withyou John Burder trade. I don't don't
well, I don't know, saidaside disagreed, but says this the fully
Baker determination, or that the JohnMurried situation with Travis Schlank. I wouldn't

(01:03:32):
even know what strengts playing. What'sto do if we didn't make that Murder
trade because he was just playing mybringing the same Cassi cash back, the
guy who by Miami, you know, just just adds a draft pick,
Ajay Griffin. Um, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have liked that plan.
Give me Murray over that, becauseyou know, people talk about a high
price. He had three first rounddraft picks, But I mean the must

(01:03:55):
got Drew Holliday for three first rounddraft picks. We didn't really to give
up a player of consequence when youtalk about Gallow, because Gallow was on
the decline. Now he did helpfor us. I will say Gallow did
help us, but you know,if you look at the back, he
also blew out of leaders year,didn't even play for Boston this year.
So I you know, I thinkto give up a player you were gonna
cut anyway because you weren't gonna payYellow twenty five million or whatever it was,

(01:04:20):
twenty millions, whatever it was tocome back, I think about it.
The twenty five on the five ofU was guaranteeing. That's why you
know he was sorry, maybe eleventen or eleven points a game average,
which that's what the Deep Bay wasgiven us too. So I kind of
even that. Yeah, now thatthat you weren't gonna bring him back at
that funny you just want to dothat so to turn that money into de

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chante murder. I liked the booth. Now, I do agree with John
that the fit was not the bestfit between him and Trade. I kind
of didn't look back at the Secamentobackport recially when they had Hala Burton at
Fox. Both of those guys arevery good players, but they just were
a great fit. And when Halliburtonwas traded on away, you see Secondmento
become a number three team and makethe playoffs even though they were bounced in

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the first round. Takes care ofher. But you know, um,
so you know that's that's that's kindof my thoughts on it. And I
say that, you know, andwe're getting ready to go into this,
but I let you guys to becomebefore me. But I stay having that
extra guy only your roster. Uh, it's a better asset than having Gallows

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three first round picks who was four. So in case you do want to
say some things up and made somechanges, you got a guy who can
who could be a very good startingpoint guard for your team. Now,
I also to speak on the JeanJay murder and finally it's why I passed
to you guys. I think abig reason why he didn't play as well
as and he pulled me the numbers, but when he didn't play as well

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as become he could play at timesthrough the country. I mean, you
got a guy who's a picking rollpoint guard, like like one of you
guys mentioned. But yeah, he'sjust standing in the corner when Nathan milligans
for the most part, and sohe's taking a career one of the career
high years and three point attempts,which is not his strength. And when
he does get the ball and attackingsoff and having to drive from a stand

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still position. You know, we'vetrying to win through a defense, which
he can do. But you know, a lot like that's a hard way
that earned it every time, youknow what I mean, Like you want
to have some stuff mixed there thatwith Clinch Schnyder, we did see people
are dribble handoffs in the system,you know, crim and he let the
guys push the pace more than heletting Nate do it, which has happened
when you got another ball, hollerand you're running more um And you know

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when you saw him and he encouragedthe team to shoot more three but he
was also specific that he wanted toJane to keep attacking and to shoot his
good range because he knows that that'sthe Jante's strength. You know, the
man ain't your strength is important,right, So I do think a large
part of the reason why you know, he wasn't properly utilized was through the

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country. But now to speak onI'm negative about him the player himself.
Well, I'll mentioned a positive beforeI go there. He's great at ripping
the ball from opponents, getting thepassing and getting stills, but his own
ball defense was not as good asI anticipated. This team too often,
even in the posts as well,guys went by him. He was not,

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you know, able to stop theball at the point of the back
at which I don't quite understand whythat's the case. The man is quick,
he's got a lot of arms.Um, you know, you would
think that that he'd got more shotslike in the playoffs for his apple Tree
had a hire block average than youdid have you know, in the playoffs.
So I was a little bit disappointedand individual one on one defense,

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But I do think that if heis still here next spodent that you know
with quinch matter instituting a more emotionaloffense, you can see, you know,
much better results and you know,much more efficiency out of him.
I don't think you ever totally takethe ball out of trade yons hand,
like I said before, because he'sthe best passer in the game. But
you can mix it up a littlebit more um, you know, to

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where Deja is setting him up attimes, and to where Dejant is actually
getting the ball on the move,either with a pick or on a current
or you know, off a jobon handoff where he's able to just attack
um in motion rather than having totrying to attack from the dance steel positions

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six four six six ft two fourfour seven nine. If you want to
call into the show, I'll justsay our pace of a pace of play
definitely improved, but it doesn't makeany sense for us to play as slow
as we do, like we havea bunch of old men on our team.
It's not cool. It held usback. That was not cool,
just on that basis, and asfar as again, I'll go back on
the tray and the turnovers again.When you do have the ball like he

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does, because he is trying topack. He's try I'll say this since
his his UM rookie season in SummerLeague, Tray is trying to get fifteen
us a night. To get thatmany assists, you are going to be
passing the ball, and I Jordanmentioned earlier, sometimes in misassists is not
a turnover. It's just that theplayer didn't get where he was supposed to

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be. But let me just goout there real quick, and I should
have pulled this up. But there'salso some Hall of famers who also four
and a half turnovers, five turnovers, Magic Johnson, Jason kids. See.
We can go on and on asfar as that goes, but it's
because you're trying to get their teammatesthe ball. Tray can easily be getting
two sists a game and score thethirty six of night. Do we want

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that version of trey On? Idon't, because he's one of the best
passes in the game and he needsto be that facilitator on our team.
We're better with him being that typeof a player. He just happens to
be able to score two and wecan get a good balance of that and
win with that. We proved thattwo years ago. We should have winned
the final. So I don't wantto pull back really that much from Tray

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and that aspect of this game forsure. Go ahead, Jordan. I'm
just saying I've got a ridal quick. I don't have ton of those per
game, but I have the termthe total career NBA tournaments leaders, appreciate
a few names off for you.Number one Lebron James, number two,
cars Alone three, Russell Westbrook four, John Stockton five, Kobe Bryant six,
Jason Kidds seven, Moses malone eight, James Harden, n Issaiah Thomas

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ten of Kim of logic one ifhe jumped down thirteen, Magic Johnson fifteen,
Steve Nash sixteen, Tom Duncan seventeen, Charles Barton eighteen, Dwayne Wade
nineteen. Ship, You're not cuttingnone of those guys. People the best
players to ever play the game ofbasketball. Now, there's one name,

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mister, from that list, that'smister Michael Jeffrey Jordan to Cob. But
a lot of the bestest players thatplayed this game on that list. Yeah,
John Wade says you. Yeah,gentlemen, I agree. You know
with everything you guys are saying.Said the issue with a Tray Young if

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and I see an issue, butyou know, I'm gonna say the thing
with Trey Young instead of say issueis that he is a dual threat.
He's a dual threat. Like Isaid, he definitely needed a ton tool
to ride with him being alone ranger, okay, to get you know,

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to get some scoring out of them. And see, just like you said
earlier, Chris, about the factthat Trey Young's leading the league in assist
he could have more assists if thatfirst person that he has found that is
open that he passes to could hitthe shot. If they could hit the

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shot, man, you know,Trey Young would have seventh, possibly fifteen,
sixteen assists per game as an average, you know, but we didn't
have anybody that to do that.You know, well, I'm not true.
Let me stop it right there,because if that was true, Murray
ain't scoring twenty points a game,if he wasn't hitting no shots. Okay,

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let's say that. And Hunter forwhat he is, he did have
fifteen a game himself as well,so that ain't necessarily true. And then
of course with the mix up ofthe roster, you know, coming off
the bench and stuff like that,you did have Vogan, you did have
aj They hit a lot of shots. So again we went from a twelve
point of game to a twenty pointof game player at the shooting guard position.

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So I only will counter on that. Uh as far as that part
though, but go ahead, WellI was I think I understand what you
said in terms of he doesn't havea call belong to pasketball too, he
doesn't have a care about doing toball to basketball too. Well, he
does. It's John. He's justnot getting the ball because he kept giving
it the Quint. But I mean, like, I get on that play,

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but I definitely get on Clint later. But see in counter countering what
you were saying, Chris, Now, Hunter would receive the ball, not
always from trade. A lot ofpeople they will receive the ball second and
third hand, okay, and sometimesHunter would bring the ball up. Now
you know, But but you knowyour point is well taken as far as

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that's concerning, I'm by no meansand saying that you know well, But
again I got to say that alot of times people will be open as
a waffle house on Christmas morning andclink clink, clump all day long.
I'm sitting here, I'm just goingcrazy because see, I know, like

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I told you before, I canmiss shot for y'a all day long.
If you're gonna pay me thirty milliondollars a year, I miss all the
shots you want me to miss thethirty million dollars a year, I'll do
it cheaper, okay. But thething is is that, Um, we
our possessions just like that. Thatthat that Boston getting Game six, It

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was just a small little window oftime in the fourth quarter where we went
cold, Boston scored. We didn'trespond, you know, because and we
were playing good defense, hands andFaith is doing everything we could step filing.
But these people, the way thatthey shoot, you know, you

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got to match shot for shot withhim from time to time. You got
to do that with Boston. Hey, hey, these people went to the
East excuse me, went to thefinals last year doing what they did this
year. And see when we fellbehind, when we were not able to
match their intensively, match their shooting, we were in trouble and we couldn't
We couldn't catch up. We couldn'tcatch up. You know. So well,

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Bird pretty pretty defense till into thatseries. Um, but again,
AJ didn't get a chance to playat all, I'll say that right now.
Um, I think he should.Yeah, we can't deal with that.
We got an yeah, you know, I just I disagree with just
mentioning him. Um, as faras that goes, Um Bogie played pretty

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good, you know, he had. He had a pretty decent series as
well. Um Bay definitely helped usout. Um as far as that goes.
But again, Hunter, you know, between the layoups that he kept
giving up and again if you gowatch the previous videos on IMT and Worldwide
Radio, Um, there's two videos. Go watch shows in regards to Hunter,
you can go look those up.But I have video of the of

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the of the layoups. He wasa layoup line unfortunately. And then on
the top of that, the shotsthat he was missing. I mean,
he was not shooting at all atan efficient enough rate. As the wings
layer. The primary to be ableto go basically the toe to toe part,
right, you either had to stopsomebody on the other side or you
gotta hit all your shots. Andif neither of those things are happening,

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we're in trouble, you know.And that's where a lot of those gaps
were, you know, So youknow, That's where I was. I'm
asking now, like next year weactually don't have, Um, twenty twenty
three we don't have Aaron Holliday andTrent Forrest is a restricted free agent.
But twenty twenty four you have Murray, a big os Ad d Tyreef and

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Donovan while Donovan Williams as uh basicallyrestricted free agents, but they're all free
agents. Um, Murray will bean unrestricted free agent. So what changes
do any of y'all think will happenthis particular offseason as far as the roster
goes? Do you believe that manyof the players will be back? Um?

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Do you you know? Are thereany particular moves you you know will
be made or should be made?In your opinion? Let's talk about that
for a little bit. Well,you know, first of all, for
some of the guys, like youknow, Trent Barres, you know,
no disrespect to him, But there'sa meme out there with Adam Silver with
de caahe getting ready to learn.I mean, buddy chick Fires might need

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to look into the shaggy sharks,but the gun young tiger is there.
Um, but all the serious no, no, I don't know what will
happen. The reason why I saythat, I know, normally I love
to make predictions, but these guysare so new lagic fields of Kyle Carver,
it's hard to predict them because wedon't really have any type of amphasize

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for them as general managers. Now, what do I think should happen?
The first thing I get into andI let it come back around before I
get into my second thing. Um, as far as roster moves, um,
but Compeller needs to go. That'sthat's the first thing. Okay.
I know he's a very good rebounder. I understand that. Okay, but

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yet we saw, you know,the numbers dip to eight rebounds a game
and the playoffs this past year.You know what I mean. He has
a harder time rebounding when he hasto check anybody in this some type of
stretch big, they're just gonna pullit away from the ain't And you know,
as good as he is the reboundedthough, he's just not that good
of a run protector. Guys alwaysshoot a high percentage against them in the

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restrict to their area. He doesnot block a lot of shots, and
ultimately, offensively, he just toowan dimensionalm he's not a good free throw
shooter. He has no jump shot, doesn't have a real hoop shot or
anything like that. No post movesyou can go to. Um, this
is a lot of layups around thebasket. The only thing that you can

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really count on Flint Capella is adunk. Um like you and case that
lab he's got throw that down,you know a man times out of ten.
But as a whole. Um,you know, as as a whole,
I just don't think he brings himup to the table. And the
vegetivity team tams got a good passioneither. Um. So you know,

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ultimately I think bestient you gotta do. You gotta move on from Flint Coppella.
I think I told he's ready tostart. That's direction you want to
go. Then you could bring ina a stretch big and back up saying
so that way you could place thefall out which your second the second union,
UM know, a little bit offensibilityyou can put leave, join him
with the second new union with thestretch big, and let him be the

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primary role man that entire time,which we know is his strength. Um.
Yeah, you know, I thinkthat's that's the best best way to
go. Um, like I said, you know with Clint, especially with
Clint not even being a good passwordeither, and a Coluy is a pretty
good passer for a big um.I think that would be the first and
the thing that Holliston do to tomake an improvement will be the move Clint

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out did some type of assets forhim and started congo and have a backup
big that's a stretch big that canknock down um three pinners and make his
layups and free throws. One ofthe things that you saw that was pretty
you know, apparent, is thatif if if Quint was right there in

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the paint, in the midst ofyou know, an offensive player whatever,
and he got the ball, he'snot making an offensive move to be able
to score. He's now trying topass it back out again. And that's
a detriment because at that point you'replaying four on five, and we played
way too much four on five thisyear on offense. To not have that

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as an asset is it hurts becauseit's obvious that oh, it's ready,
he's he has a better shot thanhe had before, and now he can
hit three a little bit too now, right, but he could hits the
fifteen fourth he could hit that.He's comfortable shooting it, and he always
has had post moves as well.He finishes inside, he hits his free

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throws as well. Right on thedefensive side, we know he plays the
post defense well. He can moveup on the picking and roll right,
and we know he can block shotsas well. So I think it's time
for him, as a six pickin the draft, to go ahead and
utilize him man as that starter.And as Jordan mentioned, definitely having somebody
as a stretch big to back himup at that point put that side of

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advantage because now you're not losing anythingwhere you you know, go to the
bench. You know what I'm saying, You can continue with an offense because
anybody on that court can hear theshot at any given time. That opens
it wide for anybody that we play. So I think that would be a
big move right there, just offthe rup um, John, go ahead,

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Dan Goes. I did want tobecause I was looking up some numbers
after what so the things John wasstaying. To back up your point,
John, I would agree with youin terms of trades and six to a
degree, because we were twenty firstin the NBA's three point shooting. Obviously,
trade threes aren't figured into that.We were all some sixteenth and two
point shooting, So I think youmake a ball a point that John,
Let's say were chance and three pointshooting instead of twenty first and we were,

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you know, seven and two pointshooting. Then I think you see
trade with twelve, thirteen, fourteenand since the game. So yeah,
I will say that your pointless baladlooking at jip up the numbers along that
jump. Oh man, when theygot Clint Coppella and I asked, why

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did you get it? Oh,we're just getting him for rebound. He
does he gonna be a defending rebound. You know, I don't understand.
The reason I have a big problemwith it is because I was Clint Coppella
at one time. All I sayI could do was block shot, rebound.

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I'd be out there on the floor. I'm looking for somebody to pass
the ball too, because I don'thave nobody around me. Because you remember,
whether you say a long time ago, oh he's self checked. You're
the word about checking him. Hecan't shoot, so thing was, but

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hey, I need to learn howto shoot. I need to learn moves.
I need to be able to getto the basket. You know,
and see me being sixty three atthat time, I was the tallest person.
They used to play, put meup against everybody or whatever, and
you know, I had to playcenter. And you know, back during
the late sixties, seventies, eighties, whatever, the only thing a center

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did, lay the ball up,get a dunk every now and then.
You know, until you had ateam of lo Duans coming and you had
Patrick Ewings and Kareem's and people likethat. Now, team being the way
that it is, and with allof the scouting that people have done on
the Hawks, especially the Eastern Conferencefinals, they know what Clint co Peller

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can do. They know what clinkof Peller can't do, and they know
that he's mostly set up for alaw because it wasn't for him, It
was for John Collins for a law. Okay, now John Collins has a
more versatile offensive games by Clint,but Clint was challenged. Okay, now,
you I can't afford to have that. No one should come out of

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high school college AAU ball nowhere comingto the pros being a one trick pony.
Nope, and I have I havereiled ad infinitum about the free throw
shooting. This man has a hitchin this shot worse than Charles Barker's put

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that. Nobody took care and nobodytook the time to get out of this
shot. You let this man justgo all through the pros with no shot
about bad as Shawn Mary and shot. They were pushing poor matth Eves to
shoot, you know, I mean, it's just ridiculous, you know,
I mean, it's just ridiculous.I'll see Clint Coppella. I remember in

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the Boston series, Clint Coppella wouldwas out there couple of times looking around
for somebody this shoe just like justlike Chris just said, look for somebody
to get the ball too. Man, oh man, I mean it was.
It was the worst thing because hejust as soon as he started looking
around, all right, now youdon't have anybody to pass the ball too,

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because number one, they're dumpling tradeand everybody else has a man on
it. Basketball. Yeah, yeah, it's awfu. Times when he's coming
over the help phone, he chasedthe wild angles where he gives brown and
goes under the basket and let's theapponent get people to lay the ball up

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over. He'll be He'll be likethis and he'll turn and then he won't
move and just get in front.And I mean, you got to force
him the past the ball that onemore time, but he just he'll just
let him lay it up and thenbe looking around. I'm like, Ron,
if you just stopped the ball,but when you get so deep that

(01:26:00):
you're standing underneath the basket, hewas the smaller than him. They're gonna
put the ball in. These guys. You know that blue users class.
They know angles what should have toget that deep in trouble. And so
that's another issue. He's not someanchor to reprotections that you like to be
the guy that just rebounds. Ifyou got a guy that just rebound the

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defense, I'm truck about to beplaying like Bill Wallace and Clint Ain't even
he don't even deserve to be mentioningthe same centers bas Joser no no,
and and something else too that thatum I wanted to mention. Do you
guys agree with this eight man rotationthat this man is trying to run call

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Sea? It was not okay.At least Nate had a ten man rotation,
all right, Queen come shortened inthe nine for the twenty something games
that he was here, then inthe playoffs, these shorts that day.
Now, Now, what do youguys think about that? If I may
ask it, sir, I thinkI think nine is okay the playoffs,

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just because then Murray is basically twopositions. He's your starting shooting guard and
your backup point guard. Um,even though I want to like to see
a J. Griffind more, Ithink nine regularly it's okay. But what
I like to see is if aguy is just struggling big time, then
you go to a J. Griffinor somebody else. But but with the

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nine, I don't like the factthat Jayla Johnson only played like um.
Not forgive it, the number wasum, but what I said was eight
minutes the game in the playoffs stufflike that. I think if you're gonna
play nine, you was all nine. Yeah you know what I mean.
Here's him A minute at him wherehe's actum in the game. He's actually
feeling, he's active, like Italked about john earlier. Right, Uh

(01:27:49):
yeah, I really don't like Ih Jimmy Age is putting too bmuch of
the strain on guys. Um.So it just is not white you while
he properly utilizing all the telling thatyou have. It's you know, that's
that's another condundion might have is howwe're gonna clear minies for a J.

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Griffin because with Boget being resigned andlet's you know, someone is moving,
I'm having a hard time seeing wherehe's gonna play a lot nake. Sure,
let me tell you something. Thisguys comes on the plane, got
two game on the shot. Heshowed what he can do. He's a
pure shooter, but he's borned justa shooter. I mean he has loo's
going towards a basket, you know, other man, and he'll get your
rebounded. He gets you still.Yeah, you know what I mean.

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So that's another deliver I have.But that's my thoughts on the eight and
nine man rotation fer Chris Um.I believe it's doable. Again, it's
just it's it's a matter of justhow a coach you know, and and
and placement of the players that youhave under you. I think some of
that going into the end of theseason was just a matter of again to

(01:28:59):
feel players out, and then becausehe is I guess I want to say,
I hate to say if the rookieis m came into play I think
with AJ as far as Quinn playinghim, as far as saying, Okay,
I'm gonna trust you for the playoffs. JJ at least had played last
year and he had played a lotthis year to where you know, you
kind of had to play him ina certain in a certain point um in

(01:29:23):
the playoffs and trust him that hewas going to do well as well.
But I just didn't think that AJwas going to get enough of a chance
with that change where it came.But next year, again, is Garrison
going to be here? If Garrisonnot here, that's some AJ Minna is
right there right um. And dependingif we do we know if I mean

(01:29:43):
again, some of us is goingto be dependent on whether or not Hunter
is there possibly or not, rightyou know, as far as that goes.
So if that was, if thatwas a change, you know,
AJ is playing at that point rightum to an extent. So there's gonna
be again We're gonna kind of seehow things go um over the next couple
of months to say, you know, do we get to see these young

(01:30:04):
kids really kind of prosper into thisa new system with trade young with Murray
being on the team. Um,things of that nature. Who's going to
be the actual here it is again, we're trying to find a backup point
guard, right, so who's thatWho's that person is gonna be? Ain't
gonna be Holiday, you know forsure? Right, So we gotta see

(01:30:26):
who that first is going to be. I mean, you need on the
roster just in case something half ofthe trade. But I think you keep
letting play point one trades out ofthe game and you just play a shooting.
So I think I think we needto have a person who can actually
play the position that's better than wellHoliday Brock. I just I just think

(01:30:50):
you need to have that one becausethe injuries, one because of just death.
You know what I'm saying is thislike in football, like third point
to I can see that. Ican see that. Um, But yeah,
I just think that you know,we are not that far away.

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U got Uncle Steve on the onthe chat line. He was saying that,
um, talking about going into thenext year. Um, do you
think we can give Quinton off seasonand see what happens and you know,
maybe probably without Clint being here?And I said, We're not that far
And then the other thing he saidwas kind of similar to the Curd taking

(01:31:33):
over when Mark Jackson ended up leavingand he had kind of, you know,
kind of stirred the pot enough towhere you got these young players or
whatever. But um, I thinkin this particular case, again, the
teaching part just wasn't really happening thewhole eco a lot in the in the
previous and I think it was Johnwho kind of mentioned in regards to the
type of coaching that you probably shouldhave had, like, yeah, Budd

(01:31:57):
had agreed to actually stay and playthis out, we might have a championship
too, just saying, you knowwith Budd, and I almost should play
Budd's interview that I have that Ido have that one queued up when he's
talking about the triangle offense and wherehe's taken from it and things of that
nature. If you go back toI played it again a couple of different
shows in the past. But whenyou have those teachings that you have the

(01:32:19):
actual structure of a natural offense andis being implemented, you win games.
The Sacramento Kings are a good exampleof that, Dad Mike Brown bringing an
actual offense and get this team toplay the way they did because they have
a structure. Again, I havea whole article talking about do you really

(01:32:41):
want the guys that's doing whatever theywant to do because it's not working.
Melvin Hunt one of our former coacheshere as a Hawks coach when he took
over for the Denver Nuggets a fewyears ago, when um George was a
George what's his last name, GeorgeCarl when he was fired from Denver and

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Melbourne, Hunt took over. Oneof the things that he implemented was kind
of like a wide open system wherehe's trusting the players to do things on
the court. But that is ifthey're cut into the basket, they're setting
screams, and they're always moving withoutthe ball. If you're not doing that,
then guess what the coaching staff hasto real lament and get them to

(01:33:24):
do what they want to do.That was never happening here. The players
are just doing stuff and it washaphazard, and we saw that for the
last two years. We need tobe able to have better structure on the
offensive side, and we need tobe able to have teaching on the defensive
side. If we get those twothings during this off stament, we're going
to see the house to become atop three team in the East period.

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You see what I'm saying, becauseif they're moving the ball on offense again,
offense has never been a problem forthe Atlanta Hawks for five years.
We have always been a top tierteam when it comes to scoring points.
The problem comes into the lows thatwe have because were sticking the ball in
certain places and then not being ableto stop nobody, you know. And

(01:34:08):
so that's where that comes in.If we could just did those things in
pocket just this season, we wouldn'thave been a playing team, right,
We wouldn't have been at least topsixteen at the very minimum, just because
of that, because we did haveTrade Young on the team. So that's
why I'm excited about this off seasonmore so than any other off season because
we do have Quinn. Quinn isbringing in his hole, his own style,

(01:34:31):
to do it his way. Wedon't have any remnants of the old
regimes at all now, right,so it's a clean slate. We needed
that, right. So I thinkthis is going to be a turning point
for the organization for the positive.We need it because we really like and
George has been mentioning this. Wecan't ever be in a play in again.
It can't happen. It can't happen. You see what I'm saying,

(01:34:55):
ever, ever, ever, everagain. And we need to be a
top We need to be one ofthe top tier team in the league.
We can't keep wasting twenty six andten season from trade him leading the league
and assists, and we really don'tget to see the real fruition of that
in the playoffs. We really,we really got to be able to take
advantage of this with Trey Young's beinghere. He's actually on our team and
he's signed to a contract, allright, so we really need to take

(01:35:17):
advantage of that. Um So I'mtrusting him to make sure the next go
ahead, Jordan, the next thing. As far as roster changes, there's
so much you can talk about interms of this one topic alone. But
if I weren't charging a lot ofhouse, I would also trade DeAndre Hunter.
Okay, now we speak splashes outof him to where he has this

(01:35:40):
great game. Try to talking pointsright, Actually get your steven rebounds or
rebounds for change every now and then. But then he talked right back down
to his normals. You know aboutthree or four rebounds you know to be
ailt thirty fourteen points um four tothirteen from the field right takes these crazy

(01:36:00):
Carl Mellow Anthony style turnaround shots whenhe just does not have the dexterity umnure
fluidity to be attempting those type ofshots. And he just doesn't seem to
want to assess the fact that he'sa three and D guy that he should
just take his one tune three droolsat the most where he squares up and
pulls up, he can actually makethat shot pretty well. He just shoots

(01:36:24):
his open three. He takes thosepretty well. He's drinking with those,
but when he's done he makes themwell. Um, and just you putting
the bottle of the baskets off acutter or a layup or cut you know,
when you just have the shot there. But he tried to drive in
on his arm. He's turning theball over, he's getting the shot block
and fellas his salary goes up totwenty million dollars next year. We didn't

(01:36:48):
go ahead and trained this man beforethe rest of the heat figures out that
he tricked us. You know theman and now a lot of a lot
of housemas. He's hedn't wing.You gotta have that. But when you
look at the defensive number, they'vegotten progressively worse. This is the second
year of the league. The lasttwo years is defense has gotten worse and
worse. If that first round seriesagainst Boston, he was half half heartedly

(01:37:10):
reaching that stuff. They were goingright buying, laying the ball in,
dunking the basketball. You can findother ways to give you know, give
you what DeAndre Hunter gives you.If you looking for the pilotype guy,
think a guy like Dorian Finnish Smith. There's a free agent this year.
If I'm not mistaken that guys likethat out there, you just get this
gonna give you a better defense.So so I haven't trade this man right

(01:37:32):
now before the rest of the leaguefigured out you got tricky. He might
actually still has value as right now, especially being that he wasn't hurt as
much this past season as he hasbeen prior to that. Let me play.
Let me play a couple of eclipsysin case the people's saying, well,
you know, he was being held, you know, and those screens
and everything like that, And I'mlike, there's two things about that.

(01:37:56):
One, you allow yourself to beheld one okay, and two if you
really are being hill, push yourman into the guy so you don't hear
the three. Here's some examples ofthat Porten three game. Orten I calling
thirty three ACA, so you haveto get out on three pos splashes through
a three pointer. Here's another onedid not look like it was de fucted

(01:38:20):
by Hunter. Here's paid and risingand hitting another threse stepte thrase in the
first half. If you go backand watch the shows that I did that
were concentrated on Hunter, because I'veplayed all these I've played a lot of
stuff video wise. One of thebiggest things about the screen is not allowing
yourself to be screened. Well youknow is about to happen. There was

(01:38:43):
one screen I don't know if Ican uh oh here it is right here,
the arts card thirty. He didn'thave to allow himself to get steamed
by market smart right there. Hecould have hedged that screen into where Trey

(01:39:03):
is not putting himself in jeopardy overthere. At the same time, you
got the person in the post whodidn't rotate either. But that's a whole
nother story. But half of thetimes that he's getting magically held and all
this kind of stuff. He couldhave avoided all those and it's the last
of basicleism that I really hate aboutit, because again I'm sad, and
I've told y'all this, Well,y'all, y'all haven't seen it, but

(01:39:25):
I do Sunday Night basketball videos afterI played, Okay, if I mismatched
because of the screen, because allof a sudden, I got the point
guard that my big old self hansto trying to play. You know what
we do. We switch it backso we don't have that, or I
don't allow myself to be screened.I go around it to where I'm not
screened, and we're calling that outin real time. You see what I'm

(01:39:49):
saying. The other night, aswe were winning our five games in the
row, I had to get switchedoff to somebody because I wasn't able to
the guy that was I was playingin the last game was basically like they're
Dennis Scott and he was just arunning and I already played four games in
a row and I'm dead tired bythem, but we were still gonna try

(01:40:10):
to win this game. They switchedme off and put me on somebody else,
right, you gotta be willing tobe able to do that. Now
we don't have a coach, we'redoing this ourselves. But the coach got
to be able to do it,and or if the player, because if
the player doesn't have the self awarenessand or the incapability of doing it,
that that move has to be madeand somebody else put in their place for

(01:40:30):
the stake of winning the game.The goal is to win the game,
right, And so when I sawthem again, I see these efforts,
It's like he's supposed to be betterthan this because we drafted him at the
National Defensive Player of the Year.People, we're supposed to have an expectation.
And he's great at defense. He'sthe size of everything, like we've

(01:40:51):
been saying. But he gets oneor two rebounds a night. Maybe he
doesn't get any skills. He's notgetting any blocks, he's not running up
and down the court, he's notflowing No h what's his name, Mark,
Malcolm Rogon or whatever, was layingthe ball up on him like it
was nothing like that was if that'snot cool, I don't know. I'm

(01:41:13):
just saying at a certain point,we gotta lose off of that. And
there's there's other wings out there.Again, he's not even the top twenty
in defensive categories at all as asmall ford. I did that on another
show. I broke that down.You see what I'm saying. I broke
down a whole bunch of small forwards. They are higher than him, and
you have to ask the questions,why isn't he buried in all of these

(01:41:33):
other small fards in the league.You see what I'm saying. And then
the next show I did here's allthe number four draft picks in NBA history
over the last thirty years. Wedon't have no expectation that he's gonna be
great. I mean, we hadit. We gotta you gotta say it
just like that to say it.Will he if we keep him in this

(01:41:54):
off season? Will he take thatfinal leap and stand to say I'm a
be that guy? Or because that'sa big risk, I think that's a
big role to the dice right there. Or do we get an actual,
a real free and d ring whocan play defense and hit that wilde open
shot. I mean, I thinkbefore I let you go, John,

(01:42:17):
I think that key bird you saidthere was lack of basic the man to
be a supposedly defensive wardship player.He's probably one of the most least hustling
defensive players I've ever seen. Andyou know, watching NBA basketball and the
numbers proven when you's a Stasi statcategory. When you were really started diging
defense STATSI NBA dot Com, itwas category calls husted stat and it looks

(01:42:42):
that, you know, deflections thatloose balls, chased down and charges drawing
him all the different Hustes stats.DeAndre Harry. That's one thing about Hey,
Jordan, we're losing you a littlebit on your sound. It sounds

(01:43:08):
like your distance for some reason,I'm not sure why. Yeah, it
changed all of a sudden. Yeah, it sounds like you're faded out a
little bit. You might want togo out and come back in real quick.
So I don't think we can hearyou. Go ahead, John as
he's coming back. Oh okay,now, DeAndre Hunter. He reminds me

(01:43:34):
of Kevin hurda that game whatever whatgame was that in Miami where he scored
twenty something points. Okay, thatwas just like Kevin Hurder ending the Philadelphia
series with twenty something point and youknow, I'm thinking, Okay, here's
the bust out party. Here's thecoming out party. But you know,

(01:43:54):
I didn't see anything after that.That was absolutely nothing. You know.
It was you're out there, butyou're just occupying spake. You're not contributing
offensively, you know, defensively.One thing that I noticed about Boston,
and I mean each one of them, from Brown to Tatum, and I

(01:44:15):
think it was somebody else's Brown,Tatum and the point guard of the guard.
They shoot at the top of theirarm. They shoot at the top
of their arms. They don't releasethe ball right off the top of their
head. Their arms are outstretched,so anybody that's not on them, they
have no chance that blocking the shotor affecting the shot. Okay, when

(01:44:41):
you are shooting top hands like that, you can't stop that shot. You
can't stop it. You got toeither file that person or get them before
they get the ball above their head. All right, Hunter was doing neither.
Hunter was doing neither, and andit was a situation where Hunter had

(01:45:03):
just become a liability. But youknow, Quinn's saying, Okay, he's
good shooting, he's iff, he'sat he's iff, he's a you know,
and he's saying that all in thepress and everything. And I know
that was a coach deflection move.Good move, Quinn, But you know,
like Jordan was saying about, youknow, putting Hunter on the block

(01:45:23):
and trading trying to get something forhim. I don't believe anybody gonna buy
at Catillac. I don't believe anybody'sgonna buy at Catillac because the people got
see them all right. It wastalking the same thing. Just take one,
sucker. Can you guys give mebetter enough? Yeah, you're good.

(01:45:43):
Now get their yes, sir,I finished the point I was making
real quick. The man just hehas a lack of hustle. There's a
state category called hustle stats on NBAdot Com. He's only top three and
like one of them it's like shotcontested because he's used to garden good players,
but all the rest of them,like loose balls, deflections, all
of those other hustle stats. He'snot even top three on the Hawks and

(01:46:05):
then these stats, um, sohe's just one of the least hustling the
guys are supposed to be defensive orientedthat I've ever seen one other quick stats
Okay, there's a stat called valueover replacement player, Okay, and it
kind of measures the impact based onall of the different stats combined together.

(01:46:25):
The only non rookie that plays alot that has a worse value over replacement
than DeAndre Hunter in the entire NBADylan Brooks, gentleman. So if that
an't that, don't say a lot. I don't know what the go right
ahead? John? Yeah, AndI'm I a tongue. Now. One

(01:46:53):
thing that I you know, Ido not like short players in certain positions.
See with nine. You know wedon't have Draymond Green here. Okay,
you know, have Draymond Green sixfoot nine in the center spot.
No, I can't. I can'tdo it. We don't shoot good enough
for that, okay, because he'sthey cover over Draymond Green. Even though

(01:47:16):
Draymond Green has a bit of anoffensive game. Yeah, you know,
you you a lot of times he'lllook like he can't do anything. But
Draymond Green can shoot the three toa certain degree, he can shoot inside,
he can drive to the basket.Yes, okay, but he's being
covered over by the Splash Brothers andthe rest of the offensive players. I

(01:47:41):
didn't Golden Stakes. If you don'thave that, having a little center like
that is not going to help youin the Eastern Conference because you're middle gentleman,
you got He played Greek freaks prettygood. He shut down cant I
agree, but he's a good ownedball defender, so he kind of all

(01:48:05):
that. But I do understand thepoint. I know, gentlemen, we're
running. I know we're getting shorton time here. This is the other
ball shot I wanted to and Iate the show is getting so late here,
but I'm going to say this.I like him as a player.
I would not just give him away. But if I could get another young

(01:48:26):
all Star caliber player for him,maybe adding draft pick or something else,
got like a Jaylen Brown, aguy like a Pascal Siaka. I was
seriously entertained trading de Jan take murdespecially that I would, especially if that
player had some years left for thiscontract, because we know Murray could just
leave him it doesn't work out thisyear with the fit, Burr could just

(01:48:49):
leave us high and dry the followingseason as as an unrestricted forre agent.
I'm kindly with Jaylen Brown. Forexample, we traded for him. He
signed here because he's from here.Well what I mean, but if I
could get another young player that's madeat least an All Star team or two
UM for Deja Murray and maybe alittle extra asset. I would make the

(01:49:12):
move not because I don't like birdsa player, because I took up for
him a lot of ways. ButI just feel like one of those I
can get a better fit, youknow what I mean, Especially guy that
could play a different position like HoyleBrown could play the two and the three
like I see I can could playfour and five. Then you can slide
a J. Griffith into the starta lot of his shoot guard, let

(01:49:33):
Bogey come out the bench behind himto stay in him safe role, and
you just have another player that UMwith this team. Because ultimately, as
much as I love transisibility to score, I think the best thing for this
team ultimately would be portrayed twins togo down maybe even a couple of points
like twenty twenty three, twenty fourpoints per game. To have somebody else

(01:49:56):
maybe even be the leading score forthe team portray the average twelve thirteen assists,
you know what I mean. Ithink that's what we'll get the host
to the championship level. Let's lookat the question can the host win the
championship? So I'm not sure ifthey can right now. It's constructive,
but I think with the right moves, you know that it is coming here
in the near future. John Ummean, I don't believe in tearing down

(01:50:27):
the team to go get one playeror another player. You know, That's
what I you know, on theother you know podcast that I'm on.
You know, well, you canpack your trade and do this and do
that or whatever and go get thisperson. Okay, well when that person
comes here, what is he gonnahave around it? You know, you
know, you know, don't throwthe baby out with the bath water.

(01:50:48):
That's why I get on the scouts. Go find someone on a rookie contract
and tign him on a look,rookie tracker on a free agent contract.
You've got all of these countries aroundthe world. You even got NBA Africa,
they've just had a championship. Findsomeone that you can bring in that

(01:51:13):
you can start, that you canuse. I'm looking at the fact.
Okay, now you you you've broughtBruno Fernando in here. That man is
just languishing on the bench. Imean, he's at least six files,
you know. Yea, you sendhim out there and let him tend to
rise. Somebody or something then putit back on the bench. I mean,

(01:51:33):
come home. A lot of thesethings, you know, they just
boggle my mind as to what typeof philosophy do you have? Okay,
why do you go and get thisperson? Why are these people here?
You know, if you want meto ride over, I ride over twenty
thousand dollars when the Golden Splint Award. But good grief, man, you

(01:51:56):
got to use these people, don'tremember? Remember came in and kind of
late in the game too, though, you know, and again, you
know, Quinn's getting this team withtwenty games left than the season, so
I think they have a lot todo with it. You did really get
to like work with everybody and justkind of plug and play people. So
I think if he stays, Ithink definitely Bruno has a has a has
an opportunity to play on the teamas a big But go ahead, John,

(01:52:20):
Yeah, and well that was duringthe time we got him. Um,
look the folk Nate left. Natewouldn't even put him in. You
remember the man that we had ona ten day contract that never got in
the game. Do you remember that? Oh? Yeah, um, oh,
shoot, what's his name? You'renever gonna shut the play. Yeah,

(01:52:44):
I mean what oh so so thisman, you just you just ten
went out of all full pocket league. The folks who just gonna sit on
the bench. I mean, whyyou even show up if you're not gonnat
even go oh man? You know, but but you know that that's that's
my contribution. But you know Iwant a bona fide scoring and defensive center.

(01:53:05):
That that's what I really want.Matter of fact, while you're in
the stove, get me two ofus, m it will be something,
it will be something interesting. Well, well, guys, um, we're
gonna be trying to wrap this up, Jordan, if you got a last
point briefly, But John, Iwant to say thanks for talling into the
show and helping us out tonight.Really do appreciate your contributions as always,

(01:53:29):
and we definitely got to follow upon the Falcon's draft as well. Sir,
Yes, sir, whenever you allwant to h It was a pleasure
being in here with you, gentlemen, and thank you for the opportunity to
talk with you. J J Mantake care, yes, sir, always
always discussion that John, Yes,sir, Yes sir, that's the way
I want, all right, Becausemy final point is this. I think,

(01:53:56):
you know, John Iman is notcuring the team down, but I
think we've you have the pieces,especially you know, if you if mervs
and those pieces that we can actuallycombine some of these these guys and switch
out a little bit of the talent. I don't think you totally tend the
team down in terms of trading tradelike some of these crazy people are saying,
but I think you can shuffle thesupporting casts around him. And I

(01:54:20):
think ultimately, if you have castto move some tallet to get you know,
a third I also a caliber guy, I think you know, you
gotta seriously look at it. Ifyou're not giving away too too much,
you know what I mean, LikeI don't want to give away Jana Johnson
and a J. Griffin, Butbecause we have guys like that, I
am comfortable trading a guy like asClint Capella or DeAndre hunter Um and things

(01:54:45):
of that nature. Apparently, youknow, I don't I don't know if
John Colis will be back with theteam or not. You know, he
may be traded. I mean we'veheard him and rumors almost every year,
so it certainly wouldn't surprise me ifhe's one that's traded. Um. Hope
that that one doesn't come the honors. I think he will if he goes
to somewhere that's that's a proper fitfor him. Um. But you know,

(01:55:08):
ultimately I love to see him stay. But I understand, you know,
if they go in a different direction, Yeah, I feel better about
it if it's replacement. Here's somebodylikes on a couple of All star teams,
you know what I mean? Asopposed to just that's just giving him
away. Um. But you know, ultimately, man, I think the
team the future is bright. Ithink we do have a much better coaching

(01:55:30):
here. I'm a guy who couldpossibly be the right coach, and I'm
just hoping, you know, thatwe could get the team roster around what's
gonna fit his sister the best,um, you know, and go for
their two other quick notes. Youknow, Hey, hey, I understand
Quinn want to bring his whole staffin, but who want to give respect

(01:55:51):
to Joe Frontie who drew up thegame when the play for us this year
also was two and old and extentas to interim coach, and I also
just wanted to stay r I Ptwo coach buds Um he's still with us.
He just got fired to say that'sall, um final the same before
we go, we were about tosign off, George go ahead, Well,

(01:56:12):
thank you everybody for listening out there. Um as always, you know,
think those will listening to live aswell as our podcast listeners out there
looking for love, talking to alsolooking forward to, you know, getting
back into shows where we talk allof our sports. But that's what not
at least I want to thank Godfor giving me this press that I breathe
to talk about these Atlanta, theseGeorgian sports that I love. Make sure

(01:56:33):
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that harder. And here's Young backYoung. There's an arbager of whats to

(01:57:08):
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