August 28, 2025 • 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
So it's time for another edition. In between the Pages
with James Lotior, we go in between the pages, around
the pages, behind the pages, outside the pages for my
next guest, who's on here today. If you're watching, you
see right, it was when I was about to go
that way. It's a book called Pressing Matters, and it's soapy.
It is soapy. It is soapy. I loved it. I
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read it in two days. It's a mystery. There's sarcasm,
there's infidelity, there's everybody's related, like so that's the brother
of this one, his sister that one, and that's the
brother in law. And there's a lot going on there.
To you. There's class difference, wealth and non wealth, friendship,
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all kinds of this book. And you know, and I
love reading authors like I've never heard before him. We
have something that has good work. We support artists. Authors
are artists. So help me welcome you get more into
this book, Pressing Matters with its author Bruce Fleming. Hi, Bruce,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the book as
a writer. Of course, the glory is kind of wonder
how people react to it once it's out there.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So folks. He reached out to me, and so I
g I guess I would say I crossed my desk,
but I'm bumped. It's an email. I was at my
desk when I got it. But me, I always say cross
my desk. That's an old. That's an old. Sam Aging
myself is an old saying like I say rolodex all
the time to have my rollodex. I'm like, I know,
I'm all, but he can't cross, And I was like sure.
I love supporting the writers, so I just see what
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you guys are writing out there. And there's so many
books out there. I love to read, so it's my
chance to read, and I do this show. I need
to read books. I don't know how to. I can't
get to everything. So I'm glad you reached out to me.
So thank you that I really did. This should be
an audio drama or a series. I see it already. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I definitely wrote it like a television style. That was
my thought, like that, each chapter being set to scenes
between commercial breaks. Yes, that was kind of how I
was going.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's how you know, I know I do audio drama.
So I was like, I can see I can you
know I could see something in there. But before we
even get into the book, I want to get a
little background with you because obviously you're a soap fan
like I am. Yes, you know, I work in the
soap world, but you're you're a fan of soaps, and
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one of the the one of these soaps you bring
up is my favorite soap. Okay, so I have two
favorite soaps of all time, but it's what I guess,
because it's prime time, it would be my favorite soap
overall as Dallas. Yes, so I want to ask you, firstly,
why Dallas for you?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I just remember the whole a little bit after the fact,
but the whole hoopla of who Shaw j Are and
how it just pretty much captivated everybody in the country
and they couldn't wait to like watch the next episode.
So I just always thought that was really cool if
you could be able to do that and get an
audience kind of engaged to that length that they did
back then. I know, with you know, all the different
options for TV and so on, now it's a lot harder,
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but it was just cool, like so many people were
just dying to find out who it was that shot JR.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I was there. I had a T shirt that had
all had a check it had all people that could
have shot him. I thought it was Sue Ellen. That's wrong.
I small other folks, you'ready watched it forty years ago.
It was Kristin. Kristen, you shot j R. Yeah, yeah,
I'm a big fan. My brother and I both big fans,
and I do a Dallas after show on this channel.
Of course we talked about I talk about all kind
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of stuff in Dallas, and I just I ad met
the de Gray and she was just like one of
the nicers. She called me sweety and honey and held
my hand. I wanted to cry. Sheer tall, totally statuesque
for me. Dallas it was Jr. It was Bobby, it
was it was PAMs, it was the characters. It was
larger than life. It was I never knew what Dallas.
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I had been to Dallas at that point in my life.
I've been in Dallas since then, but I had never
been in Dallas my life. It's this huge South Fork
and literally it was this this drama that every week
you couldn't wait to watch it the next week.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I gotta miss those days without spoilers and without
what everybody you know, online saying what's going to happen
on one day?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I wish it could go back to that, but well
you also mentioned well I actually have to ask you.
Did you like the continuation TNT?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, I have seen that and I did enjoy that.
I thought it was well done.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Okay, we're good. The next thing you bring up is
another great show that I loved, and then bringing it
back apparently Merrow's Place.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yes, I was definitely. I was more of a Sydney fan,
although my girl, Yeah, I just liked it because she was
always the schemer, but she never really tended to be mean,
I don't think, but just everything always backfired on her
and I just kind of felt bad for her.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So one Christmas, the Christmas one Halloween, let me get
San Francisco. At the time, me and my two friends
were the three wives of Michael Mancini. We had the
same outfits on, but when was Jane, one was Kimberly
and I was Sydney. Yeah, I had a Burgundy. I
mean it was a whole it was. I was a
big Sydney fan also, so I love we have Meryl's Place. Money.
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Money is our bitch. We had it in our house
he'll come over and watch it. It was such a
and I just again, we don't have that anymore, Dewey, It's.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Like that's gone, right, Yeah, And I guess said I
missed those days. There was definitely the height of the
time with Dallas and Dynasty and Mellows Place.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You're Desperate Housewives. I would say that's another one that
came a little later that. Yeah, we watched on Sunday nights.
We all talk about on Monday. Like I said, we
don't have that that much on a television work now
and now we have really no nighttime official soaks. Everything
is a soap opera s right, raised an Abby and
all that. Uh, and we have five subs now a daytime.
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Are you watching any daytime? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I watched CBS mostly. I love the new one Beyond
the Gates. I watched that every day. Why and are
B and B. I kind of float in and out
of mostly.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Which which you can. I got this in a boat
of view with people because I work with them. Those
shows you can kind of go it out. But Beyond
the Gate to the ball right now, so folks, you
know what that is. It's a new soap opera. On
the first one in twenty five years period, and it
talks well, for us, it's I one a clock in LA.
I don't know what time it's off for.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You guys, it's two o'clock here, like.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, some time. So it's my friend Michelle Valjean created that.
So I'm very excited about that and it's really gets, really good.
Do you think soaps will always I mean, we know
that it's permeated to other things, but do you think
actual soaps will always be here?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think they will be in some form or another,
maybe not always necessarily on TV, but now that they're
doing podcasts and so on, I think it will end up,
you know, continuing in some way, and I hope it does.
There's definitely an audience out there for it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Which leads into that had a segue into the book.
What made you decide to write I'm calling it a
soap oper book, but were you decide to watch all
our books?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You know, Well, I grew up watching soaps, and I
always loved the whole genre, the fact that I was
continuing and you can always get deeper into characters, and
there was always so much drama. You could do pretty
much anything. And I always wish that I could write
my own show, because I would get annoyed with the
ones that were on TV in certain ways. I'd always
wish the characters would do something else, And so Another
World was my show growing up. I was right into
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that show, and of course that Ann Melroll's Place ended
at the same time, basically in ninety nine, so it
was a couple of years after that I kind of
was sort of lost because I didn't really have that
show to go to anymore. I sort of watched One
Life to Live because I had a lot of Another
World actors that went on there after, but it wasn't
quite the same thing for me. So then I just
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kind of started thinking, well, why can't I just come
up with my own to kind of, you know, write
something and kind of keep myself going. So I kind
of came up with the characters and so on for millicn. Mills.
I based it on a I named it after a
sex into the town I was living in at the time,
which was Oldwertrid Beach in Maine, and I just thought
it sounded sophy, so I just kind of picked that
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for the title, and the first two characters I came
up with were actually Thomas and Lacy and I kind
of sort of thought of them as Michael and Sidney
for Meller's Place, kind of the quirky couple that you know,
we're attracted to each other, but we're also devious with
each other at the same time. So I kind of
went from there with it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, i'll tell you the first twenty pages, you get
all you get, all these characters come at you, and
it's funny because you turn the page and you're like, so,
so there's Nathan Nolan and as a whole, like, I
don't go and I want to say this. So there's
a mystery in the it's Sophie. It's a mystery in
the book. There's something that happens and it's aftermath of
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it and actually a book. It's funny because again I
will go to the end, which guys read it and
go to the ending, I'll say this, it's an end
but also feels like it could be more.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, that's kind of why I left it that way
on purpose. He's sort of it's sort of a stand
loan where you kind of get the results of what happened,
but then it's kind of left where well, it's not
really resolved either.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, you're definitely have definitely not resolved. I'm trying to
be careful as I say this. I get into it,
I got I can I can tell you off care
about so Sam, So we have we have it's a
and so it's a publishing company that's the center of this.
And and Nathan and his son Thomas. Thomas says this,
you know, young, kind of cocky guy, but it's funny,
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that's all the I was kind of wrote, like almost
a tree like you see it on here. I was like,
there's Thomas. His best friend is Cody Connor, who's with Erica.
Erica is the sister of Catherine. And then I'm sorry,
sister Eddie. And then you have and then you have
Eddie is having an affair with I think it's lazy,
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right yeah at the beginning, the beginning, and then but
Lacey's the sister of Susie. Now how you find this
value To read the book and you'll see how on
fold I was telling you. With the first like twenty
thirty pages, I was like I was already in. I
was like, oh my god, God, how this all goes.
He's right into this at the beginning. So the things.
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Obviously things changed out the book, but that's I was like, okay,
but I like the way that I like the way
you unfolded it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So yeah, I know there's a lot of characters, but
I was trying to do it so it wasn't you know,
everybody in the same scene together where you're trying to
figure out who's who. I try to introduce like one
at a time, hopefully you know, a little more slower,
so it wasn't overwhelming at first for people that are
trying to get into it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, it's not, as I'm saying, I'm gonna ask you
that question. I'm guy to you answered that, like, did
you how did you kind of set it up when
you were outline? Did you outline the book first and
then kind of fill it in or how did you
do that?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I kind of had a I had an idea
for the overall story, and then I kind of came
up with the way that people are connected before I
started writing it, and so then I sort of plotted
it out by like chapter, and then I kind of
broke it down by scene a little bit. And I
did change it obviously here and there as I was
going along, But I I kind of. Yeah, I kind
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of kind of did it ahead of time, broke it
down a little bit before I started actually writing and
filling out the chapters.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, because it doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't, folks, I
told you that right now means nothing to you. I
read the book, but it'll starts unfold. You'll see throughout
the book and his other curious like Melody, and so
there's other characters that come in and like I say,
there's an event that things happen, and I guess, well,
I guess I can't even say that I was gonna say.
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I was gonna say, poor, I can't say that. Don't
get that. A lot of get away, Okay, I like
this is good. So that's how good it is. I
actually want to talk. That's always my chid.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's definitely a series you need to read in order
otherwise it's gonna spoil feature of books as well.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes, I know. So I was like, oh, I want
to say something like that at the end. I'm like, yeah,
but there's yeah, okay, because at beginning, something that I
didn't know about Maine that's just my own and not
even tell you about Maine. You mentioned this, George Wilson
at beginning of a book, and he's black. Yes, I
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know there are black folks in Maine. I'm totally I'm
totally serious. I thought I had no idea Maine Vermont.
Like there's certain states. I'm like, I know they're I
know they're in Rhode Island. I know they're in New Hamplet.
I know they're in there. But I'm like, I just
I didn't didn't know.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's probably overall is probably maybe one percent of the
state total. But in the Portland area, like I said,
which is much bigger as getting to be kind of
a smaller Boston where I wrote this was meant for
a little bit south of that, in the Old Orchard
Beach area. So yes, I mean there are definitely blocks
in that area.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is that is what's the nearest state underneath that area?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We're connected to the New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, I get in those states. Nobody talks about New Hampshire.
I know, I know. I've been in New Hampshire. I
actually been there. I don't be there, so like, come on, Hamster.
That was very cool that he's like a rival and
he had and he had that in there. Was there
a conscious effort to after sometimes some companies of diversity
in there too, or just was it like.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah a little bit. And I was kind of thinking, like,
you know, a Romeo Juliet type of thing. Where was
Thomas and Melanie They were like from rival newspapers, so
I yeah, it was kind of that in there.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I got. I got that feeling like I get I
can't I will say something, yes, I get that feeling.
I got that feeling in there. Lacy is a ball
of fire. I will say a characters like, Okay, here
we go. She's the character kind of like, I mean,
she's something.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
She's my favorite. And then Catherine has kind of come
up there too as one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I like Cody yeah, because he's like I mean, he's
like he's who is on some level. And when you
first when you first meet him, I don't mind giving
this away. When you first meet him, you're you're just
a Thomas first and he's going to see Cody so
and his driver or whatever. So you get like this,
you get this air of attitude as are going there
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that you're not going to another rich person's place. He's
so it's like getting that feeling. But how they tease
each other. It's like, okay, so there's this friendship from
a long time ago is still in there. The invite
him to this big party. That's that's a big thing
happening too that I thought, that's very cool. I actually
end up like kind of liking Cody throughout the series,
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so I said series. I'm already naming it, manifesting it.
I like I liked him also because I did. I like,
of course I like Thomas. Of course I like him,
but I kind of like, like, I like Cody.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, he's more of the straight and narrow kind of
good guy that's not really into any of the drama
for the most part. He tries to stay out of it.
And him and Erica I kind of try to round
them as like the stable couple and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Because that was because oh my god, no, I can't
say yeah yeah throughout the book, like okay, that's when
I say something there to see, folks, you have to
read this book. I'm trying to tell you, guys. It's
it's a nice read. You guys. Really, It's like, it's
it's a great summar read me very especially because if
you wanna you're gonna travel about the beach, Sit back,
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get you a cocktail, and you'll let you'll enjoy the story.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, it's just meant to be like a fun kind
of camp be both, nothing too serious, just enjoy yourself
and read a book.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah. But here's the thing. So, but writing a mystery
is always easy, right. So people think everything they can
write one, and we saw some of our soap operas
they can't. But for you always say so, for you
to a mystery, it's just a question. I don't think
I remember. I don't think I've ever asked this of
any mystery writer who's done this. Did you know who
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the person? You know? The guilty person? I like give
away the guilty person was when you thought of the mystery.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Not initially I knew what the mystery was gonna be,
but of which character at the end. No, not really.
I had a couple of couple in mind and that
I wanted to do future books, so I kind of
try to figure out how I could relay it so
it can keep going.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'm curious because there's two ending. Well there's an ending
and there's a thing, So there's two things. You'll have
two questions, especially at the end, so I am raak
hereus for your next book, you write how you how
you laid.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The Actually, yeah, I'm actually already four books in there are, but.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Tell me, oh my god, I need the next one. Then,
my goodness, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, the next one is Tied a Last Will in
the Punishment. It is available through Amazon as the others,
but you can also go to Millicanmills dot com and
there's a link to it that way.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Now I want to read the next one. I did
not know that. Okay, So I got read the next one, folks,
and then well I'm back on. We'll do and we'll
do the next one. But for you, what writing a
mystery was that? Is that easy? It was that easy?
Part of the book? Was that a harder part of
the book? How was that? Writing the actual mystery? Then?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Leading up to the mystery, I thought it was kind
of easy to just because, like I said, I've watched
soaps forever, so I kind of know the genre in
that sense of how to build up the mystery with
multiple characters and so on. The reveal of it was
a little more harder for me. I kind of, I know,
I kind of went a little quicker and kind of
skipped over a little bit, so I didn't drag out
too long because I didn't want it to drag out forever.
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I kind of wanted to get that part done and
then kind of move on with the other characters and
keep going. So that's why I kind of left a
little bit of a twist with who it was or
who it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
So okay, how to phrase this? So you weren't okay?
So yeah, so you Yeah, that makes sense? So did
you when you when you were rot before the book
the book got published? When you were when you wrote that,
we've the stuff? Did it match up on what's right before?
Do you have to go back and go does this matchup?
Or does this like it make sense to you? Was
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that I had?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, I kind of had to reread a lot as
I was doing it to remember what I put in
and what I didn't put put in, and because of course,
like I take stuff out or add stuff in later.
So yeah, definitely, continuity was the thing. I had to
start from the beginning and read all the way through
to make sure it lined up right. And I had
to add in some additional stuff because I ended up
skipping over as far as a new reader, you know
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coming in wouldn't understand, so I'd had to add in
a little bit more detail here and there to make
it like flesh it out better.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
How did you describe your book, your story? How did
you describe it?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I definitely considered it a kind of like a soap
opera genre or a book. A lot of people have
said it was a mystery because of the first storyline.
It was a mystery, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's
a mystery series. It's more of like family saga drama series.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, very good. What are the points that you wanted
to hit and did you hit them in the book?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mainly I just wanted to be fun and campy
and have people enjoy it and want to keep reading
every chapter, leaving a little hook here and there. So
I think I accomplished that part. Hopefully, hopefully they like
it enough to keep going and read you know, two, three,
and four and more after that. I hope.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, you know you did give us huck you give
us give us huts. You're going? What is your price
going pages? What is your process to writing? Do you
just sit down every day? Do you do when you
feel like it, like what is your process? It's more
of when I feel like it. I wish I had
the discipline to sit down every day and write. Sometimes
I'll try to, and then I'll write a few minutes
and I get distracted and have something else.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So it really depends. I have to be focused on
the story and the characters and really get into it.
So it kind of takes me a while to get there,
but once I get there, I can usually do pretty
good of it at a time. Yeah, So I mean
it's really hit or miss.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Let's go. So you're living in Maine, right? Still? Correct? Yes?
So what is your life like there? Is it? Is? It?
Is it quiet? Is it? I mean you have a
regular job, Like, what do you like? What's what's going on?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I'm I live in the area. I mean it's
the Baxter State Park has Mount Katan, which is the
highest peak in Maine, So it's a very kind of
remote area up here, and I do work at a
local hotel at the front desk, so I'm yeah, I
can sit there and read or I can write while
I'm at the desk and it's quiet, all very cool.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you like the small town line? You could you
could imagine going to Boston or New York City or LA.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, not that big. I don't think. I live near
the Portland area in southern Maine for a while and that,
I mean, that was okay for me. But I don't
know if I could do much bigger than that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I know, I go to I go, I travel, I
go these smaller rural areas. I'm like, I do kind
of like it. It's quiet and not a lot of
fences very where, there's like lots of land, and yeah,
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The traffic's a lot better.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh yes, well you're on different the capitol of traffic,
Los Angeles. So that's just you have you have to
like pack of lunch when you get approach to go somewhere.
It's said, that's kind of crazy. So he said, so
there's four books. I said, I didn't know that there's
four books out right now on this story. Okay, I
gotta read.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Them, Like I said, you really need to read the
first one in order to keep going, because otherwise you'd
be lost if you started the other ones. But they
have a little bit of a standalone for each one.
But it's the same characters and it all kind of
continues from the first book.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So folks get pressing matters the way to do it.
I can any way, you little seed it online. It's
f behind me. Pressing matters. Go out to get it. Uh,
if you have a website or playing goes. You said
you said it a second ago, can you.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, if they go to Millikenmills dot com. And like
I said, they are available on Amazon as well, and
anybody that has a kindled reader can't get them for kindles.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And you go on Amazon and you purchase it, make
sure you rate it and comment, and the book out
there in an algorithm. I hate the word algorithm, but that's
the whole thing on the algorithms. You want to get right,
we want to get out there. So people make sure
you say something and comments on it how much you
loved it and rating it five stars.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Live.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
We need, we need contact. This This is fun. This
is some fun content and maybe one day we'll see
it that as a drama somewhere who else hopefully going on.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I can even see it as being like an audio
podcast too in some way, spending on if they have
the right people producing it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But that's what I'm saying. You know I know about
audio podcasts. I do know that it's very good. Thanks
for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's my pleasure. Are you on social media at all?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yes, If you go to the Militanmills dot com, there's
a link to my Facebook page. I have Instagram X.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So make sure I go what you I'm following you.
If I'm following you, I I'll following you. So if
I go follow go to Millenchi Mills dot com. I'll
put in a description and then follow them all over
the place and buy his pa. Tell them James said
you all the way from Los Angeles. They sent you.
As I always say to the end, support the arts.
We don't ban books, no banning of books, free speech.
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Books are great, all kinds of book reading, variety of books.
Support writers, independent authors, support them. Also, there's a lot
of great material out there and just needs to be
elevated and seen. That's what I'm trying to do on
my show. But I'm a big, a big fan of
the arts and trying to cut things. Cut programs and arts,
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whether it's music, dance, acting, singing, writing, painting. It is
known to be good in other areas, helping in math
and sciences, and history and English and all those things,
and I it's just it's a I just I will
always support the arts and all support indie authors on
this show especially. You know, it's just as such a
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great thing. So please do That's that's one party can do.
Get these books, support them, read them, talk about them,
pass a lot of other people to you. Pass on
this show to people too. They don't know what's going on.
And I'm and I have all these Tupper fans out there.
So you guys like soappy content, buy this book. I'll
come find you. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm thinking you're probably gonna like it if you watch
you know, the regular shows that are on now. I
mean it's the same idea.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it is totally. So I'll come find you, guys,
serious youth. I'm not gonna do them like this. James
On Junior, what are you doing here? I'll book in
my hand and say give me some money or venmo me.
But everybody, have a great time. We're here on Thursdays,
every Thursday, new episode supporting authors and I'll have them back.
I'm to read his next book. Some have him back
on the show, so you'll see that we'll see him again.
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So everybody, take care of a great week. If it's
hot where you are, be careful. If it's wet where
you are, be careful. See you next time.
So it's time for another edition. In between the Pages
with James Lotior, we go in between the pages, around
the pages, behind the pages, outside the pages for my
next guest, who's on here today. If you're watching, you
see right, it was when I was about to go
that way. It's a book called Pressing Matters, and it's soapy.
It is soapy. It is soapy. I loved it. I
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read it in two days. It's a mystery. There's sarcasm,
there's infidelity, there's everybody's related, like so that's the brother
of this one, his sister that one, and that's the
brother in law. And there's a lot going on there.
To you. There's class difference, wealth and non wealth, friendship,
(00:43):
all kinds of this book. And you know, and I
love reading authors like I've never heard before him. We
have something that has good work. We support artists. Authors
are artists. So help me welcome you get more into
this book, Pressing Matters with its author Bruce Fleming. Hi, Bruce,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the book as
a writer. Of course, the glory is kind of wonder
how people react to it once it's out there.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So folks. He reached out to me, and so I
g I guess I would say I crossed my desk,
but I'm bumped. It's an email. I was at my
desk when I got it. But me, I always say cross
my desk. That's an old. That's an old. Sam Aging
myself is an old saying like I say rolodex all
the time to have my rollodex. I'm like, I know,
I'm all, but he can't cross, And I was like sure.
I love supporting the writers, so I just see what
(01:29):
you guys are writing out there. And there's so many
books out there. I love to read, so it's my
chance to read, and I do this show. I need
to read books. I don't know how to. I can't
get to everything. So I'm glad you reached out to me.
So thank you that I really did. This should be
an audio drama or a series. I see it already. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I definitely wrote it like a television style. That was
my thought, like that, each chapter being set to scenes
between commercial breaks. Yes, that was kind of how I
was going.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
That's how you know, I know I do audio drama.
So I was like, I can see I can you
know I could see something in there. But before we
even get into the book, I want to get a
little background with you because obviously you're a soap fan
like I am. Yes, you know, I work in the
soap world, but you're you're a fan of soaps, and
(02:15):
one of the the one of these soaps you bring
up is my favorite soap. Okay, so I have two
favorite soaps of all time, but it's what I guess,
because it's prime time, it would be my favorite soap
overall as Dallas. Yes, so I want to ask you, firstly,
why Dallas for you?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I just remember the whole a little bit after the fact,
but the whole hoopla of who Shaw j Are and
how it just pretty much captivated everybody in the country
and they couldn't wait to like watch the next episode.
So I just always thought that was really cool if
you could be able to do that and get an
audience kind of engaged to that length that they did
back then. I know, with you know, all the different
options for TV and so on, now it's a lot harder,
(02:57):
but it was just cool, like so many people were
just dying to find out who it was that shot JR.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I was there. I had a T shirt that had
all had a check it had all people that could
have shot him. I thought it was Sue Ellen. That's wrong.
I small other folks, you'ready watched it forty years ago.
It was Kristin. Kristen, you shot j R. Yeah, yeah,
I'm a big fan. My brother and I both big fans,
and I do a Dallas after show on this channel.
Of course we talked about I talk about all kind
(03:25):
of stuff in Dallas, and I just I ad met
the de Gray and she was just like one of
the nicers. She called me sweety and honey and held
my hand. I wanted to cry. Sheer tall, totally statuesque
for me. Dallas it was Jr. It was Bobby, it
was it was PAMs, it was the characters. It was
larger than life. It was I never knew what Dallas.
(03:46):
I had been to Dallas at that point in my life.
I've been in Dallas since then, but I had never
been in Dallas my life. It's this huge South Fork
and literally it was this this drama that every week
you couldn't wait to watch it the next week.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I gotta miss those days without spoilers and without
what everybody you know, online saying what's going to happen
on one day?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I wish it could go back to that, but well
you also mentioned well I actually have to ask you.
Did you like the continuation TNT?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yes, I have seen that and I did enjoy that.
I thought it was well done.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Okay, we're good. The next thing you bring up is
another great show that I loved, and then bringing it
back apparently Merrow's Place.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yes, I was definitely. I was more of a Sydney fan,
although my girl, Yeah, I just liked it because she was
always the schemer, but she never really tended to be mean,
I don't think, but just everything always backfired on her
and I just kind of felt bad for her.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So one Christmas, the Christmas one Halloween, let me get
San Francisco. At the time, me and my two friends
were the three wives of Michael Mancini. We had the
same outfits on, but when was Jane, one was Kimberly
and I was Sydney. Yeah, I had a Burgundy. I
mean it was a whole it was. I was a
big Sydney fan also, so I love we have Meryl's Place. Money.
(05:08):
Money is our bitch. We had it in our house
he'll come over and watch it. It was such a
and I just again, we don't have that anymore, Dewey, It's.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Like that's gone, right, Yeah, And I guess said I
missed those days. There was definitely the height of the
time with Dallas and Dynasty and Mellows Place.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
You're Desperate Housewives. I would say that's another one that
came a little later that. Yeah, we watched on Sunday nights.
We all talk about on Monday. Like I said, we
don't have that that much on a television work now
and now we have really no nighttime official soaks. Everything
is a soap opera s right, raised an Abby and
all that. Uh, and we have five subs now a daytime.
(05:47):
Are you watching any daytime? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I watched CBS mostly. I love the new one Beyond
the Gates. I watched that every day. Why and are
B and B. I kind of float in and out
of mostly.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Which which you can. I got this in a boat
of view with people because I work with them. Those
shows you can kind of go it out. But Beyond
the Gate to the ball right now, so folks, you
know what that is. It's a new soap opera. On
the first one in twenty five years period, and it
talks well, for us, it's I one a clock in LA.
I don't know what time it's off for.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
You guys, it's two o'clock here, like.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, some time. So it's my friend Michelle Valjean created that.
So I'm very excited about that and it's really gets, really good.
Do you think soaps will always I mean, we know
that it's permeated to other things, but do you think
actual soaps will always be here?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I think they will be in some form or another,
maybe not always necessarily on TV, but now that they're
doing podcasts and so on, I think it will end up,
you know, continuing in some way, and I hope it does.
There's definitely an audience out there for it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Which leads into that had a segue into the book.
What made you decide to write I'm calling it a
soap oper book, but were you decide to watch all
our books?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You know, Well, I grew up watching soaps, and I
always loved the whole genre, the fact that I was
continuing and you can always get deeper into characters, and
there was always so much drama. You could do pretty
much anything. And I always wish that I could write
my own show, because I would get annoyed with the
ones that were on TV in certain ways. I'd always
wish the characters would do something else, And so Another
World was my show growing up. I was right into
(07:25):
that show, and of course that Ann Melroll's Place ended
at the same time, basically in ninety nine, so it
was a couple of years after that I kind of
was sort of lost because I didn't really have that
show to go to anymore. I sort of watched One
Life to Live because I had a lot of Another
World actors that went on there after, but it wasn't
quite the same thing for me. So then I just
(07:46):
kind of started thinking, well, why can't I just come
up with my own to kind of, you know, write
something and kind of keep myself going. So I kind
of came up with the characters and so on for millicn. Mills.
I based it on a I named it after a
sex into the town I was living in at the time,
which was Oldwertrid Beach in Maine, and I just thought
it sounded sophy, so I just kind of picked that
(08:07):
for the title, and the first two characters I came
up with were actually Thomas and Lacy and I kind
of sort of thought of them as Michael and Sidney
for Meller's Place, kind of the quirky couple that you know,
we're attracted to each other, but we're also devious with
each other at the same time. So I kind of
went from there with it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, i'll tell you the first twenty pages, you get
all you get, all these characters come at you, and
it's funny because you turn the page and you're like, so,
so there's Nathan Nolan and as a whole, like, I
don't go and I want to say this. So there's
a mystery in the it's Sophie. It's a mystery in
the book. There's something that happens and it's aftermath of
(08:50):
it and actually a book. It's funny because again I
will go to the end, which guys read it and
go to the ending, I'll say this, it's an end
but also feels like it could be more.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, that's kind of why I left it that way
on purpose. He's sort of it's sort of a stand
loan where you kind of get the results of what happened,
but then it's kind of left where well, it's not
really resolved either.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Well, you're definitely have definitely not resolved. I'm trying to
be careful as I say this. I get into it,
I got I can I can tell you off care
about so Sam, So we have we have it's a
and so it's a publishing company that's the center of this.
And and Nathan and his son Thomas. Thomas says this,
you know, young, kind of cocky guy, but it's funny,
(09:38):
that's all the I was kind of wrote, like almost
a tree like you see it on here. I was like,
there's Thomas. His best friend is Cody Connor, who's with Erica.
Erica is the sister of Catherine. And then I'm sorry,
sister Eddie. And then you have and then you have
Eddie is having an affair with I think it's lazy,
(09:59):
right yeah at the beginning, the beginning, and then but
Lacey's the sister of Susie. Now how you find this
value To read the book and you'll see how on
fold I was telling you. With the first like twenty
thirty pages, I was like I was already in. I
was like, oh my god, God, how this all goes.
He's right into this at the beginning. So the things.
(10:20):
Obviously things changed out the book, but that's I was like, okay,
but I like the way that I like the way
you unfolded it.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So yeah, I know there's a lot of characters, but
I was trying to do it so it wasn't you know,
everybody in the same scene together where you're trying to
figure out who's who. I try to introduce like one
at a time, hopefully you know, a little more slower,
so it wasn't overwhelming at first for people that are
trying to get into it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, it's not, as I'm saying, I'm gonna ask you
that question. I'm guy to you answered that, like, did
you how did you kind of set it up when
you were outline? Did you outline the book first and
then kind of fill it in or how did you
do that?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, I kind of had a I had an idea
for the overall story, and then I kind of came
up with the way that people are connected before I
started writing it, and so then I sort of plotted
it out by like chapter, and then I kind of
broke it down by scene a little bit. And I
did change it obviously here and there as I was
going along, But I I kind of. Yeah, I kind
(11:16):
of kind of did it ahead of time, broke it
down a little bit before I started actually writing and
filling out the chapters.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, because it doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't, folks, I
told you that right now means nothing to you. I
read the book, but it'll starts unfold. You'll see throughout
the book and his other curious like Melody, and so
there's other characters that come in and like I say,
there's an event that things happen, and I guess, well,
I guess I can't even say that I was gonna say.
(11:43):
I was gonna say, poor, I can't say that. Don't
get that. A lot of get away, Okay, I like
this is good. So that's how good it is. I
actually want to talk. That's always my chid.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It's definitely a series you need to read in order
otherwise it's gonna spoil feature of books as well.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes, I know. So I was like, oh, I want
to say something like that at the end. I'm like, yeah,
but there's yeah, okay, because at beginning, something that I
didn't know about Maine that's just my own and not
even tell you about Maine. You mentioned this, George Wilson
at beginning of a book, and he's black. Yes, I
(12:21):
know there are black folks in Maine. I'm totally I'm
totally serious. I thought I had no idea Maine Vermont.
Like there's certain states. I'm like, I know they're I
know they're in Rhode Island. I know they're in New Hamplet.
I know they're in there. But I'm like, I just
I didn't didn't know.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It's probably overall is probably maybe one percent of the
state total. But in the Portland area, like I said,
which is much bigger as getting to be kind of
a smaller Boston where I wrote this was meant for
a little bit south of that, in the Old Orchard
Beach area. So yes, I mean there are definitely blocks
in that area.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Is that is what's the nearest state underneath that area?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
We're connected to the New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, I get in those states. Nobody talks about New Hampshire.
I know, I know. I've been in New Hampshire. I
actually been there. I don't be there, so like, come on, Hamster.
That was very cool that he's like a rival and
he had and he had that in there. Was there
a conscious effort to after sometimes some companies of diversity
in there too, or just was it like.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah a little bit. And I was kind of thinking, like,
you know, a Romeo Juliet type of thing. Where was
Thomas and Melanie They were like from rival newspapers, so
I yeah, it was kind of that in there.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I got. I got that feeling like I get I
can't I will say something, yes, I get that feeling.
I got that feeling in there. Lacy is a ball
of fire. I will say a characters like, Okay, here
we go. She's the character kind of like, I mean,
she's something.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
She's my favorite. And then Catherine has kind of come
up there too as one of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I like Cody yeah, because he's like I mean, he's
like he's who is on some level. And when you
first when you first meet him, I don't mind giving
this away. When you first meet him, you're you're just
a Thomas first and he's going to see Cody so
and his driver or whatever. So you get like this,
you get this air of attitude as are going there
(14:10):
that you're not going to another rich person's place. He's
so it's like getting that feeling. But how they tease
each other. It's like, okay, so there's this friendship from
a long time ago is still in there. The invite
him to this big party. That's that's a big thing
happening too that I thought, that's very cool. I actually
end up like kind of liking Cody throughout the series,
(14:31):
so I said series. I'm already naming it, manifesting it.
I like I liked him also because I did. I like,
of course I like Thomas. Of course I like him,
but I kind of like, like, I like Cody.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, he's more of the straight and narrow kind of
good guy that's not really into any of the drama
for the most part. He tries to stay out of it.
And him and Erica I kind of try to round
them as like the stable couple and everybody else.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Because that was because oh my god, no, I can't
say yeah yeah throughout the book, like okay, that's when
I say something there to see, folks, you have to
read this book. I'm trying to tell you, guys. It's
it's a nice read. You guys. Really, It's like, it's
it's a great summar read me very especially because if
you wanna you're gonna travel about the beach, Sit back,
(15:16):
get you a cocktail, and you'll let you'll enjoy the story.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah, it's just meant to be like a fun kind
of camp be both, nothing too serious, just enjoy yourself
and read a book.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Yeah. But here's the thing. So, but writing a mystery
is always easy, right. So people think everything they can
write one, and we saw some of our soap operas
they can't. But for you always say so, for you
to a mystery, it's just a question. I don't think
I remember. I don't think I've ever asked this of
any mystery writer who's done this. Did you know who
(15:47):
the person? You know? The guilty person? I like give
away the guilty person was when you thought of the mystery.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Not initially I knew what the mystery was gonna be,
but of which character at the end. No, not really.
I had a couple of couple in mind and that
I wanted to do future books, so I kind of
try to figure out how I could relay it so
it can keep going.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'm curious because there's two ending. Well there's an ending
and there's a thing, So there's two things. You'll have
two questions, especially at the end, so I am raak
hereus for your next book, you write how you how
you laid.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
The Actually, yeah, I'm actually already four books in there are, but.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Tell me, oh my god, I need the next one. Then,
my goodness, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, the next one is Tied a Last Will in
the Punishment. It is available through Amazon as the others,
but you can also go to Millicanmills dot com and
there's a link to it that way.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Now I want to read the next one. I did
not know that. Okay, So I got read the next one, folks,
and then well I'm back on. We'll do and we'll
do the next one. But for you, what writing a
mystery was that? Is that easy? It was that easy?
Part of the book? Was that a harder part of
the book? How was that? Writing the actual mystery? Then?
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Leading up to the mystery, I thought it was kind
of easy to just because, like I said, I've watched
soaps forever, so I kind of know the genre in
that sense of how to build up the mystery with
multiple characters and so on. The reveal of it was
a little more harder for me. I kind of, I know,
I kind of went a little quicker and kind of
skipped over a little bit, so I didn't drag out
too long because I didn't want it to drag out forever.
(17:34):
I kind of wanted to get that part done and
then kind of move on with the other characters and
keep going. So that's why I kind of left a
little bit of a twist with who it was or
who it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
So okay, how to phrase this? So you weren't okay?
So yeah, so you Yeah, that makes sense? So did
you when you when you were rot before the book
the book got published? When you were when you wrote that,
we've the stuff? Did it match up on what's right before?
Do you have to go back and go does this matchup?
Or does this like it make sense to you? Was
(18:08):
that I had?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah, I kind of had to reread a lot as
I was doing it to remember what I put in
and what I didn't put put in, and because of course,
like I take stuff out or add stuff in later.
So yeah, definitely, continuity was the thing. I had to
start from the beginning and read all the way through
to make sure it lined up right. And I had
to add in some additional stuff because I ended up
skipping over as far as a new reader, you know
(18:34):
coming in wouldn't understand, so I'd had to add in
a little bit more detail here and there to make
it like flesh it out better.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
How did you describe your book, your story? How did
you describe it?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I definitely considered it a kind of like a soap
opera genre or a book. A lot of people have
said it was a mystery because of the first storyline.
It was a mystery, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's
a mystery series. It's more of like family saga drama series.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Okay, very good. What are the points that you wanted
to hit and did you hit them in the book?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I mainly I just wanted to be fun and campy
and have people enjoy it and want to keep reading
every chapter, leaving a little hook here and there. So
I think I accomplished that part. Hopefully, hopefully they like
it enough to keep going and read you know, two, three,
and four and more after that. I hope.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, you know you did give us huck you give
us give us huts. You're going? What is your price
going pages? What is your process to writing? Do you
just sit down every day? Do you do when you
feel like it, like what is your process? It's more
of when I feel like it. I wish I had
the discipline to sit down every day and write. Sometimes
I'll try to, and then I'll write a few minutes
and I get distracted and have something else.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
So it really depends. I have to be focused on
the story and the characters and really get into it.
So it kind of takes me a while to get there,
but once I get there, I can usually do pretty
good of it at a time. Yeah, So I mean
it's really hit or miss.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Let's go. So you're living in Maine, right? Still? Correct? Yes?
So what is your life like there? Is it? Is? It?
Is it quiet? Is it? I mean you have a
regular job, Like, what do you like? What's what's going on?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I'm I live in the area. I mean it's
the Baxter State Park has Mount Katan, which is the
highest peak in Maine, So it's a very kind of
remote area up here, and I do work at a
local hotel at the front desk, so I'm yeah, I
can sit there and read or I can write while
I'm at the desk and it's quiet, all very cool.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So you like the small town line? You could you
could imagine going to Boston or New York City or LA.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, not that big. I don't think. I live near
the Portland area in southern Maine for a while and that,
I mean, that was okay for me. But I don't
know if I could do much bigger than that.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I know, I go to I go, I travel, I
go these smaller rural areas. I'm like, I do kind
of like it. It's quiet and not a lot of
fences very where, there's like lots of land, and yeah,
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
The traffic's a lot better.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh yes, well you're on different the capitol of traffic,
Los Angeles. So that's just you have you have to
like pack of lunch when you get approach to go somewhere.
It's said, that's kind of crazy. So he said, so
there's four books. I said, I didn't know that there's
four books out right now on this story. Okay, I
gotta read.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Them, Like I said, you really need to read the
first one in order to keep going, because otherwise you'd
be lost if you started the other ones. But they
have a little bit of a standalone for each one.
But it's the same characters and it all kind of
continues from the first book.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So folks get pressing matters the way to do it.
I can any way, you little seed it online. It's
f behind me. Pressing matters. Go out to get it. Uh,
if you have a website or playing goes. You said
you said it a second ago, can you.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, if they go to Millikenmills dot com. And like
I said, they are available on Amazon as well, and
anybody that has a kindled reader can't get them for kindles.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And you go on Amazon and you purchase it, make
sure you rate it and comment, and the book out
there in an algorithm. I hate the word algorithm, but that's
the whole thing on the algorithms. You want to get right,
we want to get out there. So people make sure
you say something and comments on it how much you
loved it and rating it five stars.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Live.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
We need, we need contact. This This is fun. This
is some fun content and maybe one day we'll see
it that as a drama somewhere who else hopefully going on.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I can even see it as being like an audio
podcast too in some way, spending on if they have
the right people producing it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
But that's what I'm saying. You know I know about
audio podcasts. I do know that it's very good. Thanks
for being on the show.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's my pleasure. Are you on social media at all?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yes, If you go to the Militanmills dot com, there's
a link to my Facebook page. I have Instagram X.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
So make sure I go what you I'm following you.
If I'm following you, I I'll following you. So if
I go follow go to Millenchi Mills dot com. I'll
put in a description and then follow them all over
the place and buy his pa. Tell them James said
you all the way from Los Angeles. They sent you.
As I always say to the end, support the arts.
We don't ban books, no banning of books, free speech.
(23:21):
Books are great, all kinds of book reading, variety of books.
Support writers, independent authors, support them. Also, there's a lot
of great material out there and just needs to be
elevated and seen. That's what I'm trying to do on
my show. But I'm a big, a big fan of
the arts and trying to cut things. Cut programs and arts,
(23:43):
whether it's music, dance, acting, singing, writing, painting. It is
known to be good in other areas, helping in math
and sciences, and history and English and all those things,
and I it's just it's a I just I will
always support the arts and all support indie authors on
this show especially. You know, it's just as such a
(24:04):
great thing. So please do That's that's one party can do.
Get these books, support them, read them, talk about them,
pass a lot of other people to you. Pass on
this show to people too. They don't know what's going on.
And I'm and I have all these Tupper fans out there.
So you guys like soappy content, buy this book. I'll
come find you. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm thinking you're probably gonna like it if you watch
you know, the regular shows that are on now. I
mean it's the same idea.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, it is totally. So I'll come find you, guys,
serious youth. I'm not gonna do them like this. James
On Junior, what are you doing here? I'll book in
my hand and say give me some money or venmo me.
But everybody, have a great time. We're here on Thursdays,
every Thursday, new episode supporting authors and I'll have them back.
I'm to read his next book. Some have him back
on the show, so you'll see that we'll see him again.
(24:51):
So everybody, take care of a great week. If it's
hot where you are, be careful. If it's wet where
you are, be careful. See you next time.
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