October 5, 2024 • 38 mins
In this episode of The Cool Table, Adriel Smiley sits down with Desarae Dee, a Toronto-based fusion instrumentalist, as she celebrates her 10-year anniversary in the music business.
Desarae reflects on her decade-long journey, the release of her debut album "Adventure", and how she blends genres to create her unique sound. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about growth, creativity, and perseverance in the music industry.
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Desarae reflects on her decade-long journey, the release of her debut album "Adventure", and how she blends genres to create her unique sound. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about growth, creativity, and perseverance in the music industry.
You can listen to the radio show every Wednesday @ 11 AM EST
1280AM on your Radio 📻
metradio.ca Online 💻
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Speaker 1 (00:43):
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making their first appearance and long awaited desire.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
D Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thank you for joining us, Thank you for joining us,
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
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a proper ice cream challenge, and maybe because you missed this,
when we do too, Okay, like you got two different flavors,
you gotta go, does it?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Have to be ice cream. Can we do like a
popsicle something?
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No? No, with no local room on this show. Okay, okay,
we stick to the rules. We stick to the rules.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I tried.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You're celebrating the anniversary coming up, Yes I am, but
we're gonna go past that. Okay, we're gonna go before
the anniversary. Okay. When you were coming up as as
a kid starting in music, what was the first instrument
that was put into your hand?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The first instrument that was put into my hands was
the piano.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Not surprised.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm not surprised either.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
But and from that time, I guess what we're Where
were you playing and what were you thinking of, like
what your future would be with piano.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, I didn't think that I would be doing music,
as you know, my job.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So what did you think your job would be at
that time?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, let's see, when I was six years old, I
definitely wasn't a game about playing music. I was running
around with the boys. I was a tomboy. I wanted
to play sports. So if I wasn't doing music, I'd
probably be playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Who dreams, And.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
After my playing career'd probably be coaching because I am
a teacher.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So yeah, so you are dreams.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And I did have food dreams to play Division one
basketball and you know, be a coach and help others
achieve their dreams as well.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I always like the intersection of like hooping and music,
like because you know, we see all the rappers that
make music now the musicians that can play.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because I always think of it because it's like usually
basketball comes first. It's like once basketball runs out, so
to speak, then we say, okay, music, but you technically
had music first. It seems like, which is I feel
like a rare occurrence. We're talking about people being musicians.
I feel like people miss that musicianship upbringing because sports
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music first.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yep, yep. I mean I'm grateful for my parents. I
mean my dad was the musician in the house. And
I have a younger brother and he was a gamer.
He had no interest in music. Actually, they did put
him in lessons for like a couple of weeks and
he was like, nope, not having it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
How what is that like?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Because like I played Key's growing up as well, and
my brother also got put into lessons and he didn't
and he you know, lasted two weeks and I said,
how did they pull that off? Because I remember I was,
you know, a couple of years deep, and I said,
when do.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I get to quit?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
When do I get to leave? Like my brother left?
So that's what you said about your brother. I'm like,
I thought, I was like, how did you guys pull
that off? Maybe I actually secretly liked it and that's
why I was there, But I was like, how am
I still here all one hundred weeks later and he's quit?
But I seemed like you were the same thing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, But I mean I was the oldest. I'm the
old oldest, oldest daughter. Problems you know, right with Jamaican
parents who are like, basically, you don't get to quit.
We put you here, We spend the money, so you
have to just see it through.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We walked bare for for you to do this, right.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Do you know how many sacrifices we made to put
you So it's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, So you're the oldest, so there's no way you
were gonna.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
But also it's this thing of well, you have to
set an example. You can't quit. You have to show
your younger brother that you can't quit a things and
you have to continue no matter how much you don't
like it, but eventually there's a reason why things have
happened that way.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
What avenue did you even have in like middle school,
high school, fourth one playing keys cause I stopp playing
keys pretty early, and drumming is probably my like number
one instrument still, but I didn't have, like you know,
I was in a band for a few months that
did not go far. I played in the band in
middle school and high school, but in the band, I
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was not to play drums. I was playing cuba, I
was playing baritone, I was playing trumpet.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So where were you playing keys as you got older? Like,
where was that even happening?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So I was still playing keys, mostly in piano lessons,
but also I grew up in church, so that's where
I got a lot of my piano experience in my
times to play, and we didn't have middle school if
I went to a kDa school, so I think it
was in grade six I was playing the trumpet and
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I hated that instrument so much, And then when I
got to grade seven, I switched to the saxophone. So
the saxophone is actually my secondary instrument, and I just
fell in love with that instrument, and I remember my
teacher came up to me and she's like, yeah, so
this is opportunity called the Durham Honor Band, So for
those who grew up in Durham region, you know, a
Durham Honor bad And they chose like a couple of students,
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like their top students, to be part of this big band.
So I got chosen with another girl who plays clarinet.
And I remember going to one of the rehearsals and
there was like one hundred kids there and the conductor
he asked a question and normally I wouldn't raise my hand.
I would just don't want to embarrass myself. So he
asked the question, I raised my end and I knew
the answer. So then after the rehearsal he comes up
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to me. He's like, yeah, so do you want to
give a speech? What do you mean give a speech?
He's like yeah. So we choose a couple of you know,
standout students to give a speech at the final concert
and they get to talk about their experience and things
that they learned when they were there. And I was like, okay, sure.
So I was one of the I think there were
six of us and we got to give a whole
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speech about our experience and how our experience shaped you know,
us as a musician, and you know, thanking the people
that allowed us to be part of this. So it
was kind of cool to have that experience. And fast forward,
I think it was five years after that, I ended
up back in the same honor band in high school. Crazy,
but I got to play piano because I was in
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the jazz band.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Wow, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, I'm happy you got to play keys because I
always think about that, like if you are someone who
only pays one instrument, like there are people like that.
You know, no shape to those people, but you know,
where do you find your outlet in high school and
sometimes college? So that's pretty cool that you got to
play in jazz band. I was like, when I stopped
playing band. I went to Differ High School, my first
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high school, I wish that we had a different kind
of band that was like, y'all are playing the songs
I don't want to play.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, well, I mean the school that I went to,
we had a bunch of different bands. You know, we
had junior band, which was great died in ten, and
we had senior concert band, which was eleven and twelve.
I'm just saying the perks of growing up in Durham region.
No literally, And then we had junior jazz band for
grade nine and ten and senior jazz band for grade
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eleven and twelve. We also had clarinet choir, flute choir.
There was a bunch of opportunities just to be involved.
We even had a music council.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now, you guys are different, so.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We created different music events at the school, so there
was a whole council. I wasn't part of the council
because I was busy playing basketball and doing music at
the same time, so I had no more time in
my schedule to be kind of part of the council.
But it just shows you, even just as a woman,
and you know, playing in the jazz band, I was
always the only girl. I was always the only girl
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and the only black girl.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Wow, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, So I know there was one year I didn't
do jazz band because there was a kid that was
a year older than me and they always chose him
for piano and I didn't really want to play sax,
so I was like I was really playing sax and
the concert choirs or not the concert choirs, but the
concert bands. So I said, well, I want to play piano,
so when you guys have a slot, let me know.
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So he when he went to grade eleven, I now got.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
To oh, you graduated into that spot exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The school sounds like one of those schools in like
a movie, like high School Musical or like pitch Perfect,
And you're like, how do you guys have these programs?
Glad to know what's a real thing. I did not
know that school's really doing. Yeah, this big, I guess.
Tell me about your first time creating in the way
that you create now, because a bad different from creating
the music the way you do so, like, were you
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already doing it when you were in high school or
was there a time afterwards when you kind of sat
down like, hey, let me try and build something for
myself here.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So I actually didn't start writing until I was in
grade ten, okay, and I wrote my first song. And
while I was writing that song, I was playing all
these complex chords and I had no idea what they
were because we didn't learn about them in school, and
then I didn't learn about them in my private lessons
because it was just classically based and the odd time,
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my teacher would let me play like pop and R
and B and gospel, and she would help me with
the songs that I would have to play at church.
But I had this song. I'm like, I don't know
what I'm doing. So it was when I was getting
ready to apply to university. I knew that music was
something I could see myself doing for the long run.
So I remember my guidance counselor telling me, Desiree, if
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you're going to go to university, pursue something that you love.
Because at that point, I actually you want to be
a lawyer, and you need a university degree in order
to apply to law school. So I said, well, if
I'm going to do that, I might as well do
something that I love, but also figure out what I'm playing.
So I ended up going to York University, and but
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to York, I had to experience a strike in my
first year, but I was able to figure out what
I was doing, and I was like, oh, I took
jazz courses and stuff, and they're like showing me all
these different jazz extensions and learning the jazz theory, and
I was like, oh, what I'm doing makes sense now.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So what kind of clicked after that? Yeah, okay, that
makes a lot of sense. So when when do you,
I guess, start your time for the ten year anniversary
because you say to somebody's ten anniversary ten years? Yeah,
are you when is the time saying like as the
start to be, like, this is the anniversary of is
it the release? Is it the first single? Like what
is the anniversary starting from?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So I start my anniversary from the very first song
that I.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Released, first release, Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, I think I probably already had it in my
mind that I wanted to do this, but I think
the first release kind of solidified it for me.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, the first release is almost okay, this is
really happening now.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, take me back to that time, like again, it's
a long time now, but what was it like at
that time when you first released it?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like what were the reactions? How did you feel in
the moment?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, that song was kind of a tester because I'm
actually singing on that song, and I don't sing much anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's a different lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh yeah, that's no longer my ministry. But but you
know what, I actually did it as a tester to
see what the reaction would be and I put it
out and actually got good reaction from it. But from
doing that song, I realized that I enjoyed the instrumental
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process and putting the music together for it. And that's
kind of the direction that I ended up going in.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, because when I, like, you know, I went back,
I listened to a bunch of your old songs and
the songs where I do where I have found that
I heard you singing. I'm kind of like, it's almost
like so foreign to me because I was more comfortable
with your music, you know, without you singing. So it's
almost like is this really her? Like is this like,
you know, is someone uncredited of this? But what made
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you make that switch? Because I always I'm so curious
when someone makes that switch from like they rap and
now I'm just a producer or you know, I was
a manager and now I rap. Like choosing to switch
like that, I feel like it's always so interesting to me.
So what did something happen? Like what made what made
you decide? Okay, like I'm just not going to be
doing that much anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know what, I don't think I actually like decided
to switch. It was I grew up singing in the
church choirs and stuff. I never really enjoyed it, to
be honest. I'm just being honest. And you know, sometimes
you do things just for just to make your parents
yeah happy. Yeah. But within that and this learning how
to play the piano, I really enjoyed the piano and
I wanted to do more with it. So when I
put out that song, it was like, Okay, hey, this
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is my tester to see if I want to still
keep singing or not, or if I wanted to really
dive into the instrumental part of it. Because before this,
I was singing with a group for like three years, so.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You were already kind of thinking about switching over. And
you're like, this will kind of let me know if
I actually that's it. Yeah, Okay, I like you having
that forest because you're right, there's no Eyly gonna play
keys in church. I'm not saying like this is not
that's just not a thing that really happens. And then
you having the foresight to be okay, like I actually
want to make this switch. Did would you have any
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inhibitions about that or you were solely like this is
what I like, uncle, do it?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean, it just took me really seeing how much
I really enjoyed music and how much I enjoyed the piano,
because like I said, I did not want to do music,
but it was me really enjoying it and finding my
voice and that was kind of my voice, and I
was like, oh, I can do this, but I want
to do more with it it because yeah, I was
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always singing, but to be honest, I never really enjoyed
it neither, but I really enjoyed playing more.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And this came out to that. That's not for that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I respect it, no, honestly because I think like the
landscape of music to be an instrumental artist and that's
like almost untrided territory for a lot of people. So
it's like a lot of people might be scared and
been like okay, I don't even know how to go
about that. But for you to distinct like listen, this
is what I like to do, so I'm doing it,
I think that has to be commended.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Like yeah, but also I didn't see any representation in
the industry of any black woman playing instrument of music solely.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
If you see a woman, a black woman who's in
the industry, they sing in addition to playing like Alicia
Keys for example, right, Alicia Keys was one of my
inspirations growing up, and she showed me like, oh, as
a black woman instrumentalist musician, you could be successful, but
she sang yeah. So I never really had an example
of anybody who was just an instrumentalist, and I was like, well,
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I need to fill that void in the industry. And
that's why I went in my direction, because I think
representation in the industry is so important on all scales,
not just you know, singing or rapping and being an instrumentalist,
but just for black women. I think it's important to
have that representation because anytime, you know, anybody in society
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sees a black woman who's in music, they automatically think, oh,
she must sing. And I would get asked that question
all the time, even after doing a whole instrumental set.
The question is, oh, so do you sing as well?
Oh so, do you think that's the only thing I
can do as a black woman, because that's what that's
the label that society has put for so many years,
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any black woman in music has been a singer. And
I said, no, we need to change this narrative. We
need to change this barrier, like black women are capable
of doing other things outside of using their voice holding
a mic. It was the same thing in the church
scene as well too. Church as I would visit, the
women were on the stage singing the men were controlling
the music, and I was like, I don't like that
because I grew up in a church where it was
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women who held down the keys and then we had
like guys who were playing drums and guitar, but the
woman held it down right, and I wanted to see
that and the keys.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Is the chre Like absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I feel like I think about the song you have
Trailblazer or what you're saying. What you're saying, I was like,
that song came to my mind right away. But I
want to know actually like your creative process because I know,
like you have this love for the keys. And when
I talked to Ryan Howard, I Ryan Douglas, I asked
him about his love for keys, because he loves keys too,
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And I'm like, when you're creating a song, is it
keys first and then you fill things in after or
is it like you have like a riff or melody
idea and you kind of just like flesh it out, like,
what do you usually do first?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
So my creative process is I hear melodies. And it's
funny that you asked that, because growing up taking piano lessons,
there were things that I struggled with. So, for example,
my teacher would be on me about bringing out the
melody in my classical pieces because she could never hear them,
and I'm like, I need you to work through that.
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And then I had a weak left hand and she says,
I need you to work on your left hand. So
it's funny how those things that I struggled with now
are my greatest strengths. And I create my music on
melody because for years I was told I can't hear
your melody. I can't hear melody, and different life experiences
I hear melodies. So if I hear a melody in
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my head, put the melody down and then I formed
the chords underneath the melodies and then everything else comes.
Sometimes I hear a bassline, yeah, because if you listen
to my song Triumph, I wrote the bassline for that
song first and then everything else came. So it depends
on what kind of song I'm wearing, what kind of
song I'm writing, and also just the story behind that song.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Okay, well, can you tell us about the new album
in terms of the tone, because this to me feels
like again you're celebrating kin anniversary. This feels like an
album that's going to be like triumphant, celebratory. Am I
right in assuming that? And will the tone of the
music match that?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You're right in a sense? Essentially the name of the
album is called Adventure, and it describes instrumentally my musical
adventure over the last ten years. So that can rage
from different setbacks and obstacles that I went through, you know,
pioneering this massive vision that I have into existence, not
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knowing what to do with it, not really having the
support to back it, and then also just breaking barriers
in the industry, breaking gender, race, social cultural barriers when
it comes to music. How I was able to navigate
the music industry as a black woman instrumentalist without help,
navigating the biggest global pandemic of my time, while you know,
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being an artist and actually during that time of covid
is when I made there was that switch in my
sound because if you listen to my earlier stuff, it
was more piano bassed drums like live off the floor
type vibes. And then during the pandemic is when my
sound changed to more of a fusion, more full, right,
And when the pandemic hit, I was already at a
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high and I was like I was on a that
was in my creative bag at that point in time. Right,
So a lot of the songs on the album were
written during the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, that's such a crazy time. I feel for artists
the most, because so much of what you do is
predicated on hearing music outside, like either you're performing it
or it's playing somewhere, and it's like, you know, that's
not that and like, of course everyone knows everyone having
those secret COVID parties you know, of time has past,
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but I think it just wasn't the same knowing that.
It's like, you don't know when I'm going to get
the same chance again. Yeah, when you made that switch
to kind of identifying yourself as an instrumental fusion artist,
why was that important for you to make that distinction.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Because during that time I went through kind of like
an epiphany. I won't even call it an epiphany. God
just had to put me in my place at that
point in time. This was in twenty eighteen. I had
a really rough year. I was questioning whether I wanted
to continue music. I was on the brink of quitting,
Like I was on the edge of quitting because I
wasn't getting support. Like doing something different is hard, Yeah,
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when you know people aren't willing to hear you and
people aren't being open minded. And God had to put
me at my place. He was like, ma'am, I've given
you so many other gifts. What are you doing? Because
I was so hyper fixated on the piano, right, and
he was sitting there like, I give you a whole
bunch of gifts, Like, you know you play fifteen instruments,
What are you doing sitting on your other gifts? Right?
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You know the man with the two talents and that
exactly right. So it was kind of a wake up
call that I needed because I was stuck musically. I
didn't know what else to do. And when I made
that realization and I was like, Okay, well it's time
to get to work.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's more because I think before maybe you're sself identifying
as a pianist and then changing it to instrumental fusion artists.
And I think, honestly like that, like a part of
your success over the past few years is because of that.
Because I do think that your I couldn't let your heart,
your musical home being the piano still comes through in
a lot of your music, you know, and I think
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like that can still be the case without that being
the only thing that happens. And I think that that
made the music, I guess, more palatable, more accepted, and
to be honest, like that time. Without that time, we
probably don't have this album so tough. But I'm happy
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that you had that epiphany.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm happy that I did too, because I promise you
I wouldn't be sitting here beside you.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I have some personal questions before we get to the
end here. I know you are a voter, okay, for
the According Academy.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We talk a lot of trash about them.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
What can you tell us about that voting process to
put us at ease? Because you know, you're someone I
know and trust, so when I'm talking bad about them, it's.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Just like what But why are you talking bad about them?
That's the question.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I think there's a lot of issues when it comes
to who's nominated for certain things and then who wins
certain things, and I think a lot of times it
can be almost in any genre, but in a certain genre,
everyone feels a certain way, but that person may not win.
And I think everyone wants to know how does that happen? Where,
say it's in country and we all feel like this
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person is the best country artist in country, but then somehow.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
That person does it win.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's like, I thought, we all agreed, So talk to
me a little bit about the process.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And well, I'm still new to the process because I
just became Okay, congratulations, thank you very much. From what
I've heard and I've seen, I think is just going
to take a collective effort of the people who are
a part of the Recording Academy. And I think that
we're in this new generation of music where all these
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generations of artists are coming in now.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
They said that they accepted almost four thousand oh Wow
artists this year, and I'm sure a majority of those
artists are millennials and gen zs, right, So I think
with the incoming class that I'm hoping that there is
more of an influence when it comes to the artists
that are coming up. I think in times past, I
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also didn't like the voting process as well too, and
how certain people were still getting certain awards. But I mean,
everything is a higher she so who knows what's going
on at the top. But as long as I do
my part, yes, And I think everybody needs to do
their part as a Recording Academy member to ensure that
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who is deserving is getting voted.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, and I think too as well, the Internet makes
it tricky where if your favorite artist isn't get it,
you're pissed.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, it's everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Everyone is going to be mad about something, so there's
no way to have it be right every single time.
But what I do think is tough. And I'm like,
I'm a voter. I'm a voter for the Junos. I
vote for the Player Surprize. The hardest thing is kind
of being aware of all the people you're voting for.
And I think that that's something a lot where like,
you know, you're not even aware of this artist and
(24:41):
I'm supposed to choose between Desiree who I know, and
this artist I've never heard of. It's like, okay, Yeah,
And I think what the Junos did like this year,
which I think helped a lot, was having a whole
section to like check out the artists in the actual
voting section, which not a lot of places do, but
I think that is where it's like, right there, while
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you're voting, there's a whole album, here's two three songs,
even focus on, like here's a link to their website,
like spend whatever, ten fifteen, twenty minutes. Get familiar at least.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Because there's so much music these days, how can everone
listen to all of it?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And I think that's even a expectation, no matter no
matter how you're, how old you are, it's like, how
do you listen that to everything?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
But also I think the other part of it, too
is the type of people that are being a part
of these voting committees, Like if you're not a musician, shade,
no shade, but shade. If you're not a musician, how
can you really classify what's good and what's not good.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
See, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're podding. Now we're podden.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Oh I haven't. That's why I was like, let me
get out the other stuff, fir ust. But now it's like, okay,
let's get to the real. Because I looked at the
Junos this year and certain categories, and I'm like, huh, interesting,
especially and I'm speaking on even just like the instrumental
and the jazz and electronic because I submitted something too
and I thought it was really good and I'm like,
(26:04):
oh interesting. Yeah. So it's like who is the governing
body of people deciding and are they knowledgeable?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think I think that's the biggest part of it
is how are you deciding who's knowledgeable and who can
speak on this? And I think like you almost need
to do like double the research because it's like you
may be knowledgeable but not on these things. Like for example,
I know from me when I vote, they say, like
which sections you're comfortable voting on, and so I listen
(26:38):
to all music, but I try to choose the sections
where I actually know. I'm listening to most of the
arts that are coming out. I might listen to rock,
but I might have my four or five rock bands
that I love and I'm tapped into them, but I'm
not checking out the newest, you know, So I'm like,
let me not vote there because I maybe know less there.
So I think that's something where maybe it's like selfualization
(27:00):
and themselves are like listen I'm not actually even be
going on this. I don't even I might even hip
to who's who and what's what. I can't tell you
what's good and what's not. Because you're right, I think
musicians should be the ones who kind of decide. And
that's almost a separate like thing in a sense, because
who musicians like and who everyone else likes is like
(27:21):
two separate people.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
But you also have to be unbiased, say this is
good music. Yeah, you can't be overly biased when it
comes to these things because you're not being fair, right,
And it's important to be fair, and also you need
to have the knowledge and you have to come at
it from an unbiased point of view.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I think I think that's hard, Like that's the hardest
thing for a lot of people to do, especially in
this industry where so much things kind of like crossover
at some point, whether it's like you know this publicist
over here, or you went to high school.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
With the drummer of this like whatever it is, there's.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
All it's some kind of don't they tell you not
to necessarily, like if you know certain artists, not.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
To not to vote, not to be a part of it. Yeah,
And it's like that conflict of interest. I feel like
the I feel like it just it's a never ending
and that's why I think it's hard because only certain
people can really say like that's right, like listen, Levels
Remix hated it, Trailblazer loved it, you know, but some
people they don't have that in them. You know, it's like, Okay,
(28:29):
I know you, so everything's great. And I think that
that's kind of where we've come, where it's a closing
and it's like, okay, I know you a little bit,
so I feel like I can't critique you when it's
like no, like we need to also keep that objectivity
and when it comes to music, like you can just
say this, Okay, this is not good, this is good.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm one of those people where I'd rather you be honest.
If you don't like it, cool, let me know. If
you do like it, cool, but don't be like, oh
I like it because I'm your friend.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah no, because then you can then you can trust it.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I feel like this happened to you a lot because
not even listening to the instrumental fusion on the regular.
So I feel like when you show your friends something
they don't even know what's going on, and they're.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Like they're automatic, there's no fire. I'm like, you can
be honest, you know that.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's like it's like three minutes long.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
You answer it one minute, like like.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's something that happens a lot to you. For sure
it does.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
But also you have those people who've seen the they've
seen the growth over time fact, right, so it's not
like somebody who's just listening to my music with the
first time, Oh my god, that's a fire, but you
don't know the journey, right, Like the people who will
say like, oh, it's great, know how far I've come.
They've seen the growth. And if you were to compare
like for example, later rival remix, yeah right, you have
(29:41):
the original version from twenty sixteen versus the twenty twenty
one version and there's a.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Huge yeah yeah, and it's also noning what you're capable of.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yea, Like that's what I realized when people are showing
the music to people who like don't know music, like yeah,
that your friend, and you think they're going to tell
you the truth, but it's almost like they're just impressed
you created something. Sometimes you know, because they because they
don't create music. They're like you played keys and it
sounded right, Like that's sick enough when it's like you
need someone who can say like no, like I know
(30:10):
that you can actually do better than this, or this
is not the level you usually do type of things.
So now I think that's it's pretty important, pretty important.
September twenty fifth, Yes, that's the day of the album.
Do you have any plans for the day of the album?
This is like ten years in the making. Is it
going to be like your birthday where you celebrate for
(30:30):
the whole month? Like, what are your what are your plans?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, I mean, my birthday is one day, but I
just because it's the end of the month, I kind
of just celebrate for like that whole week. Okay, I'm
not I really don't celebrate for the entire months. I'm
just being honest, Like, now.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
You can start, but I'm being honest, but listen, when
you get when you when you get when, you're not
gonna put your age out there. But when you get
to that next milestone age, then you can celebrate for
the whole month.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Oh absolutely, yeah, milestone age next year. I'm not telling
you she.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Said it on me.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I just said next year.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She didn't say, what's my milestone? She turned twenty five?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, but yeah, you know what I've always wanted to
I always said that if I put out a project,
that I wanted it to come out on my birthday,
right because it's it's special. It's ten years. I mean,
my ten year anniversary is obviously not on my birthdays
in November, and there will be a release party. But
but you know, the album, the album, I'm definitely going
(31:33):
to be playing it again and again and again because
I'm one of those people I blast my own music, right,
I love that. So it will be like a new year,
new album, you know, ten year anniversary celebration. I'm going
to pop some wine maybe and sip and take myself
(31:53):
out for dinner.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Also, you're gonna have a little self care birthday.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Album album release type.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
But the actual album.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Released party will be in November, which is when my
actual anniversary is.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, Okay, so you moved the day we're celebrating the anniversary.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Where you move the date be on your birthday?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Okay, I wanted I wanted the album to come up
with my bird y Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not mad
at that list.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We've all chosen anniversary days before.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yes, but also if I want to submit for certain things,
I have to make sure I have it out in time.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, that part.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That part because if I released it on my anniversary,
then I wouldn't be eligible for certain things.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So that's that part.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I feel like having it be like the same day
your birthday and the and the album release. It's almost
like you get to like have two shots at having
a good day. Like I have a friend who got
married on his birthday and so his anniversary is his birthday.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I thought that was a horrible idea.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I feel like, now your birthday is just canceled, you know,
like your anniversary is gonn trump your birthday in perpetuity,
you know, but you get to have two good things
that like every time it's your birthday again, and you're like,
remember when I released the album. So I feel like
you set yourself up for success with that. Yeah, definitely, Okay,
I see the vision. I see the vision. I giggle
(33:14):
little heads up earlier that we're going to get here. Now,
when people get a one hundred million dollars, they get
an exotic animal.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I don't make the rules.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
This is just how people get down, Okay, Mike Tyson
with his tiger, Justin Bieber with his monkey, Michael Jackson
with his monkey. So when you get one hundred million dollars,
how are you going to spend it? What exotic animal
are you going to bring into your life? And men
don't count.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Wasn't even going to say that. Well, you know what,
if I could have an exotic animal, I'll probably have
a peacock. Mmmm.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I see that just one one is enough and inside
peacock or outside peacock.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well, when you put it like that, then maybe I
should have two, one inside one outside, one for deckor
for decoration.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Is crazy there in the lobby doing laps.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
No, I'm just standing there and look pretty with all
of it's.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's an interesting one.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That is probably the one I feel like I can't
get what you want because I just feel like your
house is going to it's going to feel costophobic with
the peacock.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
In there, like it might.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It might, but in one hundred dollars, so yeah, never mind,
you got all the space in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I'm thinking, I'm like, you're in a one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Bedroom not going to cut it, but in in a
mansion with one hundred dollars. Okay, I'm not mad at
that one outside. So one in the backyard, one in
the lobby do they don't interact? I guess like one
one is like a field and ones like yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
The other one can roam. Oh that rhymes okay, sound randomly.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But you're just way too excited about I.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Mean, I felt nice, So let me have my moment
if you.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Did something with that, because I have bars. I was like, okay, okay,
learn Hill. Lauren uh no, no, yeah, Lauren Hill. Don't
be showing up. So not Lauren Hill. So last, but
not least, we have a second on the raditional call
Wednesday Wisdom. Look a motivational quote or saying either you
(35:29):
remind yourself of or the people around you. What quote
is that for you?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Nope, I tell this to everybody and I have to
remind myself on a daily basis, always be yourself.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's perfect for this show. We always say know yourself. No,
you're worth so yeah, you're you're in line here. I
dent agree with you. I feel like one of the
most unattractive things to me when someone's not being themselves.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It just gives me the ick, like it gives me
theck when you have to put on a show, especially
when I know who you really are name names. I'm
not putting nobody on the list.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I don't do that the way.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm not that kind of friend.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
The way you looked into the camera with the side,
the bombastic side and said, I know who you are.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
No, but even just as an artist, right, Like I
feel sometimes people aren't really truly themselves, like especially if
you are under a label for example, Like they have
their perception of you and how you should be as
an artist. But I think that you get the best
music out of somebody who's really authentically and truly themselves.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I agree, I agree, and I think that the goal
is to do that more often. You know, It's like
if you have you know, you're spending fourteen hours a
day awake. You want to get to like the most
amount of time you can being yourself. Of course things
happen comfortable situations, but you want to get to the
most amount of time you can be in yourself. So
(36:56):
I like that advice. Thank you everyone forgetting this far.
If you if you did, I hope that's what you
take away from this. Remember to be yourself. I feel
like being yourself was kind of gone out of style
a little bit. And I usually say bring bullying back,
but let's bring back being.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yourself instead of that first.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Bring back being yourself, Bring back bullying, bring back gatekeeping,
bring back sidekicks, bring back flip phones.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Bring back honesty, bring back transparency, bring back communication.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Name and names.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I don't have names, all right, Well, whatever is watching,
they'll know who it's for.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
This will be like the Patreon only where it does
this names.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Names, and it's like, don't do that to me.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Adril out here for the mess, but thank you for watching,
Thank you for coming this far. If you want to
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Now Here in the cut, we changed our guest to fish,
a type of ice cream before the end of the
conversation for safe stomachs and tender tummies.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
We have decided to go away from that today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
But I want to welcome a friend to the show,
making their first appearance and long awaited desire.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
D Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thank you for joining us, Thank you for joining us,
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think at some point we will have to do
a proper ice cream challenge, and maybe because you missed this,
when we do too, Okay, like you got two different flavors,
you gotta go, does it?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Have to be ice cream. Can we do like a
popsicle something?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
No? No, with no local room on this show. Okay, okay,
we stick to the rules. We stick to the rules.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I tried.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You're celebrating the anniversary coming up, Yes I am, but
we're gonna go past that. Okay, we're gonna go before
the anniversary. Okay. When you were coming up as as
a kid starting in music, what was the first instrument
that was put into your hand?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The first instrument that was put into my hands was
the piano.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Not surprised.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm not surprised either.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
But and from that time, I guess what we're Where
were you playing and what were you thinking of, like
what your future would be with piano.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Well, I didn't think that I would be doing music,
as you know, my job.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So what did you think your job would be at
that time?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, let's see, when I was six years old, I
definitely wasn't a game about playing music. I was running
around with the boys. I was a tomboy. I wanted
to play sports. So if I wasn't doing music, I'd
probably be playing basketball.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Who dreams, And.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
After my playing career'd probably be coaching because I am
a teacher.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
So yeah, so you are dreams.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And I did have food dreams to play Division one
basketball and you know, be a coach and help others
achieve their dreams as well.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I always like the intersection of like hooping and music,
like because you know, we see all the rappers that
make music now the musicians that can play.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because I always think of it because it's like usually
basketball comes first. It's like once basketball runs out, so
to speak, then we say, okay, music, but you technically
had music first. It seems like, which is I feel
like a rare occurrence. We're talking about people being musicians.
I feel like people miss that musicianship upbringing because sports
(02:59):
music first.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yep, yep. I mean I'm grateful for my parents. I
mean my dad was the musician in the house. And
I have a younger brother and he was a gamer.
He had no interest in music. Actually, they did put
him in lessons for like a couple of weeks and
he was like, nope, not having it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
How what is that like?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Because like I played Key's growing up as well, and
my brother also got put into lessons and he didn't
and he you know, lasted two weeks and I said,
how did they pull that off? Because I remember I was,
you know, a couple of years deep, and I said,
when do.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I get to quit?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
When do I get to leave? Like my brother left?
So that's what you said about your brother. I'm like,
I thought, I was like, how did you guys pull
that off? Maybe I actually secretly liked it and that's
why I was there, But I was like, how am
I still here all one hundred weeks later and he's quit?
But I seemed like you were the same thing.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, But I mean I was the oldest. I'm the
old oldest, oldest daughter. Problems you know, right with Jamaican
parents who are like, basically, you don't get to quit.
We put you here, We spend the money, so you
have to just see it through.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We walked bare for for you to do this, right.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Do you know how many sacrifices we made to put
you So it's a real thing.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, So you're the oldest, so there's no way you
were gonna.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
But also it's this thing of well, you have to
set an example. You can't quit. You have to show
your younger brother that you can't quit a things and
you have to continue no matter how much you don't
like it, but eventually there's a reason why things have
happened that way.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
What avenue did you even have in like middle school,
high school, fourth one playing keys cause I stopp playing
keys pretty early, and drumming is probably my like number
one instrument still, but I didn't have, like you know,
I was in a band for a few months that
did not go far. I played in the band in
middle school and high school, but in the band, I
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was not to play drums. I was playing cuba, I
was playing baritone, I was playing trumpet.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So where were you playing keys as you got older? Like,
where was that even happening?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
So I was still playing keys, mostly in piano lessons,
but also I grew up in church, so that's where
I got a lot of my piano experience in my
times to play, and we didn't have middle school if
I went to a kDa school, so I think it
was in grade six I was playing the trumpet and
(05:18):
I hated that instrument so much, And then when I
got to grade seven, I switched to the saxophone. So
the saxophone is actually my secondary instrument, and I just
fell in love with that instrument, and I remember my
teacher came up to me and she's like, yeah, so
this is opportunity called the Durham Honor Band, So for
those who grew up in Durham region, you know, a
Durham Honor bad And they chose like a couple of students,
(05:40):
like their top students, to be part of this big band.
So I got chosen with another girl who plays clarinet.
And I remember going to one of the rehearsals and
there was like one hundred kids there and the conductor
he asked a question and normally I wouldn't raise my hand.
I would just don't want to embarrass myself. So he
asked the question, I raised my end and I knew
the answer. So then after the rehearsal he comes up
(06:04):
to me. He's like, yeah, so do you want to
give a speech? What do you mean give a speech?
He's like yeah. So we choose a couple of you know,
standout students to give a speech at the final concert
and they get to talk about their experience and things
that they learned when they were there. And I was like, okay, sure.
So I was one of the I think there were
six of us and we got to give a whole
(06:25):
speech about our experience and how our experience shaped you know,
us as a musician, and you know, thanking the people
that allowed us to be part of this. So it
was kind of cool to have that experience. And fast forward,
I think it was five years after that, I ended
up back in the same honor band in high school. Crazy,
but I got to play piano because I was in
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the jazz band.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Wow, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, I'm happy you got to play keys because I
always think about that, like if you are someone who
only pays one instrument, like there are people like that.
You know, no shape to those people, but you know,
where do you find your outlet in high school and
sometimes college? So that's pretty cool that you got to
play in jazz band. I was like, when I stopped
playing band. I went to Differ High School, my first
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high school, I wish that we had a different kind
of band that was like, y'all are playing the songs
I don't want to play.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, well, I mean the school that I went to,
we had a bunch of different bands. You know, we
had junior band, which was great died in ten, and
we had senior concert band, which was eleven and twelve.
I'm just saying the perks of growing up in Durham region.
No literally, And then we had junior jazz band for
grade nine and ten and senior jazz band for grade
(07:37):
eleven and twelve. We also had clarinet choir, flute choir.
There was a bunch of opportunities just to be involved.
We even had a music council.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Now, you guys are different, so.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We created different music events at the school, so there
was a whole council. I wasn't part of the council
because I was busy playing basketball and doing music at
the same time, so I had no more time in
my schedule to be kind of part of the council.
But it just shows you, even just as a woman,
and you know, playing in the jazz band, I was
always the only girl. I was always the only girl
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and the only black girl.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Wow, yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, So I know there was one year I didn't
do jazz band because there was a kid that was
a year older than me and they always chose him
for piano and I didn't really want to play sax,
so I was like I was really playing sax and
the concert choirs or not the concert choirs, but the
concert bands. So I said, well, I want to play piano,
so when you guys have a slot, let me know.
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So he when he went to grade eleven, I now got.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
To oh, you graduated into that spot exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
The school sounds like one of those schools in like
a movie, like high School Musical or like pitch Perfect,
And you're like, how do you guys have these programs?
Glad to know what's a real thing. I did not
know that school's really doing. Yeah, this big, I guess.
Tell me about your first time creating in the way
that you create now, because a bad different from creating
the music the way you do so, like, were you
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already doing it when you were in high school or
was there a time afterwards when you kind of sat
down like, hey, let me try and build something for
myself here.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So I actually didn't start writing until I was in
grade ten, okay, and I wrote my first song. And
while I was writing that song, I was playing all
these complex chords and I had no idea what they
were because we didn't learn about them in school, and
then I didn't learn about them in my private lessons
because it was just classically based and the odd time,
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my teacher would let me play like pop and R
and B and gospel, and she would help me with
the songs that I would have to play at church.
But I had this song. I'm like, I don't know
what I'm doing. So it was when I was getting
ready to apply to university. I knew that music was
something I could see myself doing for the long run.
So I remember my guidance counselor telling me, Desiree, if
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you're going to go to university, pursue something that you love.
Because at that point, I actually you want to be
a lawyer, and you need a university degree in order
to apply to law school. So I said, well, if
I'm going to do that, I might as well do
something that I love, but also figure out what I'm playing.
So I ended up going to York University, and but
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to York, I had to experience a strike in my
first year, but I was able to figure out what
I was doing, and I was like, oh, I took
jazz courses and stuff, and they're like showing me all
these different jazz extensions and learning the jazz theory, and
I was like, oh, what I'm doing makes sense now.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So what kind of clicked after that? Yeah, okay, that
makes a lot of sense. So when when do you,
I guess, start your time for the ten year anniversary
because you say to somebody's ten anniversary ten years? Yeah,
are you when is the time saying like as the
start to be, like, this is the anniversary of is
it the release? Is it the first single? Like what
is the anniversary starting from?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So I start my anniversary from the very first song
that I.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Released, first release, Okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, I think I probably already had it in my
mind that I wanted to do this, but I think
the first release kind of solidified it for me.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, the first release is almost okay, this is
really happening now.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, take me back to that time, like again, it's
a long time now, but what was it like at
that time when you first released it?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Like what were the reactions? How did you feel in
the moment?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Well, that song was kind of a tester because I'm
actually singing on that song, and I don't sing much anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's a different lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Oh yeah, that's no longer my ministry. But but you
know what, I actually did it as a tester to
see what the reaction would be and I put it
out and actually got good reaction from it. But from
doing that song, I realized that I enjoyed the instrumental
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process and putting the music together for it. And that's
kind of the direction that I ended up going in.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, because when I, like, you know, I went back,
I listened to a bunch of your old songs and
the songs where I do where I have found that
I heard you singing. I'm kind of like, it's almost
like so foreign to me because I was more comfortable
with your music, you know, without you singing. So it's
almost like is this really her? Like is this like,
you know, is someone uncredited of this? But what made
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you make that switch? Because I always I'm so curious
when someone makes that switch from like they rap and
now I'm just a producer or you know, I was
a manager and now I rap. Like choosing to switch
like that, I feel like it's always so interesting to me.
So what did something happen? Like what made what made
you decide? Okay, like I'm just not going to be
doing that much anymore.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
You know what, I don't think I actually like decided
to switch. It was I grew up singing in the
church choirs and stuff. I never really enjoyed it, to
be honest. I'm just being honest. And you know, sometimes
you do things just for just to make your parents
yeah happy. Yeah. But within that and this learning how
to play the piano, I really enjoyed the piano and
I wanted to do more with it. So when I
put out that song, it was like, Okay, hey, this
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is my tester to see if I want to still
keep singing or not, or if I wanted to really
dive into the instrumental part of it. Because before this,
I was singing with a group for like three years, so.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You were already kind of thinking about switching over. And
you're like, this will kind of let me know if
I actually that's it. Yeah, Okay, I like you having
that forest because you're right, there's no Eyly gonna play
keys in church. I'm not saying like this is not
that's just not a thing that really happens. And then
you having the foresight to be okay, like I actually
want to make this switch. Did would you have any
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inhibitions about that or you were solely like this is
what I like, uncle, do it?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I mean, it just took me really seeing how much
I really enjoyed music and how much I enjoyed the piano,
because like I said, I did not want to do music,
but it was me really enjoying it and finding my
voice and that was kind of my voice, and I
was like, oh, I can do this, but I want
to do more with it it because yeah, I was
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always singing, but to be honest, I never really enjoyed
it neither, but I really enjoyed playing more.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And this came out to that. That's not for that.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I respect it, no, honestly because I think like the
landscape of music to be an instrumental artist and that's
like almost untrided territory for a lot of people. So
it's like a lot of people might be scared and
been like okay, I don't even know how to go
about that. But for you to distinct like listen, this
is what I like to do, so I'm doing it,
I think that has to be commended.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Like yeah, but also I didn't see any representation in
the industry of any black woman playing instrument of music solely.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
If you see a woman, a black woman who's in
the industry, they sing in addition to playing like Alicia
Keys for example, right, Alicia Keys was one of my
inspirations growing up, and she showed me like, oh, as
a black woman instrumentalist musician, you could be successful, but
she sang yeah. So I never really had an example
of anybody who was just an instrumentalist, and I was like, well,
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I need to fill that void in the industry. And
that's why I went in my direction, because I think
representation in the industry is so important on all scales,
not just you know, singing or rapping and being an instrumentalist,
but just for black women. I think it's important to
have that representation because anytime, you know, anybody in society
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sees a black woman who's in music, they automatically think, oh,
she must sing. And I would get asked that question
all the time, even after doing a whole instrumental set.
The question is, oh, so do you sing as well?
Oh so, do you think that's the only thing I
can do as a black woman, because that's what that's
the label that society has put for so many years,
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any black woman in music has been a singer. And
I said, no, we need to change this narrative. We
need to change this barrier, like black women are capable
of doing other things outside of using their voice holding
a mic. It was the same thing in the church
scene as well too. Church as I would visit, the
women were on the stage singing the men were controlling
the music, and I was like, I don't like that
because I grew up in a church where it was
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women who held down the keys and then we had
like guys who were playing drums and guitar, but the
woman held it down right, and I wanted to see
that and the keys.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Is the chre Like absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
I feel like I think about the song you have
Trailblazer or what you're saying. What you're saying, I was like,
that song came to my mind right away. But I
want to know actually like your creative process because I know,
like you have this love for the keys. And when
I talked to Ryan Howard, I Ryan Douglas, I asked
him about his love for keys, because he loves keys too,
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And I'm like, when you're creating a song, is it
keys first and then you fill things in after or
is it like you have like a riff or melody
idea and you kind of just like flesh it out, like,
what do you usually do first?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
So my creative process is I hear melodies. And it's
funny that you asked that, because growing up taking piano lessons,
there were things that I struggled with. So, for example,
my teacher would be on me about bringing out the
melody in my classical pieces because she could never hear them,
and I'm like, I need you to work through that.
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And then I had a weak left hand and she says,
I need you to work on your left hand. So
it's funny how those things that I struggled with now
are my greatest strengths. And I create my music on
melody because for years I was told I can't hear
your melody. I can't hear melody, and different life experiences
I hear melodies. So if I hear a melody in
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my head, put the melody down and then I formed
the chords underneath the melodies and then everything else comes.
Sometimes I hear a bassline, yeah, because if you listen
to my song Triumph, I wrote the bassline for that
song first and then everything else came. So it depends
on what kind of song I'm wearing, what kind of
song I'm writing, and also just the story behind that song.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Okay, well, can you tell us about the new album
in terms of the tone, because this to me feels
like again you're celebrating kin anniversary. This feels like an
album that's going to be like triumphant, celebratory. Am I
right in assuming that? And will the tone of the
music match that?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
You're right in a sense? Essentially the name of the
album is called Adventure, and it describes instrumentally my musical
adventure over the last ten years. So that can rage
from different setbacks and obstacles that I went through, you know,
pioneering this massive vision that I have into existence, not
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knowing what to do with it, not really having the
support to back it, and then also just breaking barriers
in the industry, breaking gender, race, social cultural barriers when
it comes to music. How I was able to navigate
the music industry as a black woman instrumentalist without help,
navigating the biggest global pandemic of my time, while you know,
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being an artist and actually during that time of covid
is when I made there was that switch in my
sound because if you listen to my earlier stuff, it
was more piano bassed drums like live off the floor
type vibes. And then during the pandemic is when my
sound changed to more of a fusion, more full, right,
And when the pandemic hit, I was already at a
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high and I was like I was on a that
was in my creative bag at that point in time. Right,
So a lot of the songs on the album were
written during the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, that's such a crazy time. I feel for artists
the most, because so much of what you do is
predicated on hearing music outside, like either you're performing it
or it's playing somewhere, and it's like, you know, that's
not that and like, of course everyone knows everyone having
those secret COVID parties you know, of time has past,
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but I think it just wasn't the same knowing that.
It's like, you don't know when I'm going to get
the same chance again. Yeah, when you made that switch
to kind of identifying yourself as an instrumental fusion artist,
why was that important for you to make that distinction.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Because during that time I went through kind of like
an epiphany. I won't even call it an epiphany. God
just had to put me in my place at that
point in time. This was in twenty eighteen. I had
a really rough year. I was questioning whether I wanted
to continue music. I was on the brink of quitting,
Like I was on the edge of quitting because I
wasn't getting support. Like doing something different is hard, Yeah,
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when you know people aren't willing to hear you and
people aren't being open minded. And God had to put
me at my place. He was like, ma'am, I've given
you so many other gifts. What are you doing? Because
I was so hyper fixated on the piano, right, and
he was sitting there like, I give you a whole
bunch of gifts, Like, you know you play fifteen instruments,
What are you doing sitting on your other gifts? Right?
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You know the man with the two talents and that
exactly right. So it was kind of a wake up
call that I needed because I was stuck musically. I
didn't know what else to do. And when I made
that realization and I was like, Okay, well it's time
to get to work.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's more because I think before maybe you're sself identifying
as a pianist and then changing it to instrumental fusion artists.
And I think, honestly like that, like a part of
your success over the past few years is because of that.
Because I do think that your I couldn't let your heart,
your musical home being the piano still comes through in
a lot of your music, you know, and I think
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like that can still be the case without that being
the only thing that happens. And I think that that
made the music, I guess, more palatable, more accepted, and
to be honest, like that time. Without that time, we
probably don't have this album so tough. But I'm happy
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that you had that epiphany.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm happy that I did too, because I promise you
I wouldn't be sitting here beside you.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I have some personal questions before we get to the
end here. I know you are a voter, okay, for
the According Academy.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We talk a lot of trash about them.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
What can you tell us about that voting process to
put us at ease? Because you know, you're someone I
know and trust, so when I'm talking bad about them, it's.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Just like what But why are you talking bad about them?
That's the question.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I think there's a lot of issues when it comes
to who's nominated for certain things and then who wins
certain things, and I think a lot of times it
can be almost in any genre, but in a certain genre,
everyone feels a certain way, but that person may not win.
And I think everyone wants to know how does that happen? Where,
say it's in country and we all feel like this
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person is the best country artist in country, but then somehow.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
That person does it win.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
It's like, I thought, we all agreed, So talk to
me a little bit about the process.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And well, I'm still new to the process because I
just became Okay, congratulations, thank you very much. From what
I've heard and I've seen, I think is just going
to take a collective effort of the people who are
a part of the Recording Academy. And I think that
we're in this new generation of music where all these
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generations of artists are coming in now.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
They said that they accepted almost four thousand oh Wow
artists this year, and I'm sure a majority of those
artists are millennials and gen zs, right, So I think
with the incoming class that I'm hoping that there is
more of an influence when it comes to the artists
that are coming up. I think in times past, I
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also didn't like the voting process as well too, and
how certain people were still getting certain awards. But I mean,
everything is a higher she so who knows what's going
on at the top. But as long as I do
my part, yes, And I think everybody needs to do
their part as a Recording Academy member to ensure that
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who is deserving is getting voted.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, and I think too as well, the Internet makes
it tricky where if your favorite artist isn't get it,
you're pissed.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, it's everyone.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Everyone is going to be mad about something, so there's
no way to have it be right every single time.
But what I do think is tough. And I'm like,
I'm a voter. I'm a voter for the Junos. I
vote for the Player Surprize. The hardest thing is kind
of being aware of all the people you're voting for.
And I think that that's something a lot where like,
you know, you're not even aware of this artist and
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I'm supposed to choose between Desiree who I know, and
this artist I've never heard of. It's like, okay, Yeah,
And I think what the Junos did like this year,
which I think helped a lot, was having a whole
section to like check out the artists in the actual
voting section, which not a lot of places do, but
I think that is where it's like, right there, while
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you're voting, there's a whole album, here's two three songs,
even focus on, like here's a link to their website,
like spend whatever, ten fifteen, twenty minutes. Get familiar at least.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Because there's so much music these days, how can everone
listen to all of it?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And I think that's even a expectation, no matter no
matter how you're, how old you are, it's like, how
do you listen that to everything?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
But also I think the other part of it, too
is the type of people that are being a part
of these voting committees, Like if you're not a musician, shade,
no shade, but shade. If you're not a musician, how
can you really classify what's good and what's not good.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
See, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're podding. Now we're podden.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Oh I haven't. That's why I was like, let me
get out the other stuff, fir ust. But now it's like, okay,
let's get to the real. Because I looked at the
Junos this year and certain categories, and I'm like, huh, interesting,
especially and I'm speaking on even just like the instrumental
and the jazz and electronic because I submitted something too
and I thought it was really good and I'm like,
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oh interesting. Yeah. So it's like who is the governing
body of people deciding and are they knowledgeable?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think I think that's the biggest part of it
is how are you deciding who's knowledgeable and who can
speak on this? And I think like you almost need
to do like double the research because it's like you
may be knowledgeable but not on these things. Like for example,
I know from me when I vote, they say, like
which sections you're comfortable voting on, and so I listen
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to all music, but I try to choose the sections
where I actually know. I'm listening to most of the
arts that are coming out. I might listen to rock,
but I might have my four or five rock bands
that I love and I'm tapped into them, but I'm
not checking out the newest, you know, So I'm like,
let me not vote there because I maybe know less there.
So I think that's something where maybe it's like selfualization
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and themselves are like listen I'm not actually even be
going on this. I don't even I might even hip
to who's who and what's what. I can't tell you
what's good and what's not. Because you're right, I think
musicians should be the ones who kind of decide. And
that's almost a separate like thing in a sense, because
who musicians like and who everyone else likes is like
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two separate people.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
But you also have to be unbiased, say this is
good music. Yeah, you can't be overly biased when it
comes to these things because you're not being fair, right,
And it's important to be fair, and also you need
to have the knowledge and you have to come at
it from an unbiased point of view.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
I think I think that's hard, Like that's the hardest
thing for a lot of people to do, especially in
this industry where so much things kind of like crossover
at some point, whether it's like you know this publicist
over here, or you went to high school.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
With the drummer of this like whatever it is, there's.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
All it's some kind of don't they tell you not
to necessarily, like if you know certain artists, not.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
To not to vote, not to be a part of it. Yeah,
And it's like that conflict of interest. I feel like
the I feel like it just it's a never ending
and that's why I think it's hard because only certain
people can really say like that's right, like listen, Levels
Remix hated it, Trailblazer loved it, you know, but some
people they don't have that in them. You know, it's like, Okay,
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I know you, so everything's great. And I think that
that's kind of where we've come, where it's a closing
and it's like, okay, I know you a little bit,
so I feel like I can't critique you when it's
like no, like we need to also keep that objectivity
and when it comes to music, like you can just
say this, Okay, this is not good, this is good.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I'm one of those people where I'd rather you be honest.
If you don't like it, cool, let me know. If
you do like it, cool, but don't be like, oh
I like it because I'm your friend.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah no, because then you can then you can trust it.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I feel like this happened to you a lot because
not even listening to the instrumental fusion on the regular.
So I feel like when you show your friends something
they don't even know what's going on, and they're.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Like they're automatic, there's no fire. I'm like, you can
be honest, you know that.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
It's like it's like three minutes long.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
You answer it one minute, like like.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's something that happens a lot to you. For sure
it does.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
But also you have those people who've seen the they've
seen the growth over time fact, right, so it's not
like somebody who's just listening to my music with the
first time, Oh my god, that's a fire, but you
don't know the journey, right, Like the people who will
say like, oh, it's great, know how far I've come.
They've seen the growth. And if you were to compare
like for example, later rival remix, yeah right, you have
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the original version from twenty sixteen versus the twenty twenty
one version and there's a.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Huge yeah yeah, and it's also noning what you're capable of.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yea, Like that's what I realized when people are showing
the music to people who like don't know music, like yeah,
that your friend, and you think they're going to tell
you the truth, but it's almost like they're just impressed
you created something. Sometimes you know, because they because they
don't create music. They're like you played keys and it
sounded right, Like that's sick enough when it's like you
need someone who can say like no, like I know
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that you can actually do better than this, or this
is not the level you usually do type of things.
So now I think that's it's pretty important, pretty important.
September twenty fifth, Yes, that's the day of the album.
Do you have any plans for the day of the album?
This is like ten years in the making. Is it
going to be like your birthday where you celebrate for
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the whole month? Like, what are your what are your plans?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Well, I mean, my birthday is one day, but I
just because it's the end of the month, I kind
of just celebrate for like that whole week. Okay, I'm
not I really don't celebrate for the entire months. I'm
just being honest, Like, now.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
You can start, but I'm being honest, but listen, when
you get when you when you get when, you're not
gonna put your age out there. But when you get
to that next milestone age, then you can celebrate for
the whole month.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Oh absolutely, yeah, milestone age next year. I'm not telling
you she.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Said it on me.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
I just said next year.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
She didn't say, what's my milestone? She turned twenty five?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Okay, but yeah, you know what I've always wanted to
I always said that if I put out a project,
that I wanted it to come out on my birthday,
right because it's it's special. It's ten years. I mean,
my ten year anniversary is obviously not on my birthdays
in November, and there will be a release party. But
but you know, the album, the album, I'm definitely going
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to be playing it again and again and again because
I'm one of those people I blast my own music, right,
I love that. So it will be like a new year,
new album, you know, ten year anniversary celebration. I'm going
to pop some wine maybe and sip and take myself
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out for dinner.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Also, you're gonna have a little self care birthday.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Album album release type.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
But the actual album.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Released party will be in November, which is when my
actual anniversary is.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, Okay, so you moved the day we're celebrating the anniversary.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Where you move the date be on your birthday?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Okay, I wanted I wanted the album to come up
with my bird y Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not mad
at that list.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
We've all chosen anniversary days before.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yes, but also if I want to submit for certain things,
I have to make sure I have it out in time.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, that part.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
That part because if I released it on my anniversary,
then I wouldn't be eligible for certain things.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
So that's that part.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I feel like having it be like the same day
your birthday and the and the album release. It's almost
like you get to like have two shots at having
a good day. Like I have a friend who got
married on his birthday and so his anniversary is his birthday.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I thought that was a horrible idea.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I feel like, now your birthday is just canceled, you know,
like your anniversary is gonn trump your birthday in perpetuity,
you know, but you get to have two good things
that like every time it's your birthday again, and you're like,
remember when I released the album. So I feel like
you set yourself up for success with that. Yeah, definitely, Okay,
I see the vision. I see the vision. I giggle
(33:14):
little heads up earlier that we're going to get here. Now,
when people get a one hundred million dollars, they get
an exotic animal.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I don't make the rules.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
This is just how people get down, Okay, Mike Tyson
with his tiger, Justin Bieber with his monkey, Michael Jackson
with his monkey. So when you get one hundred million dollars,
how are you going to spend it? What exotic animal
are you going to bring into your life? And men
don't count.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Wasn't even going to say that. Well, you know what,
if I could have an exotic animal, I'll probably have
a peacock. Mmmm.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I see that just one one is enough and inside
peacock or outside peacock.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well, when you put it like that, then maybe I
should have two, one inside one outside, one for deckor
for decoration.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Is crazy there in the lobby doing laps.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
No, I'm just standing there and look pretty with all
of it's.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's an interesting one.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That is probably the one I feel like I can't
get what you want because I just feel like your
house is going to it's going to feel costophobic with
the peacock.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
In there, like it might.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
It might, but in one hundred dollars, so yeah, never mind,
you got all the space in the world.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah, I'm thinking, I'm like, you're in a one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Bedroom not going to cut it, but in in a
mansion with one hundred dollars. Okay, I'm not mad at
that one outside. So one in the backyard, one in
the lobby do they don't interact? I guess like one
one is like a field and ones like yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
The other one can roam. Oh that rhymes okay, sound randomly.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But you're just way too excited about I.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Mean, I felt nice, So let me have my moment
if you.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Did something with that, because I have bars. I was like, okay, okay,
learn Hill. Lauren uh no, no, yeah, Lauren Hill. Don't
be showing up. So not Lauren Hill. So last, but
not least, we have a second on the raditional call
Wednesday Wisdom. Look a motivational quote or saying either you
(35:29):
remind yourself of or the people around you. What quote
is that for you?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Nope, I tell this to everybody and I have to
remind myself on a daily basis, always be yourself.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's perfect for this show. We always say know yourself. No,
you're worth so yeah, you're you're in line here. I
dent agree with you. I feel like one of the
most unattractive things to me when someone's not being themselves.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It just gives me the ick, like it gives me
theck when you have to put on a show, especially
when I know who you really are name names. I'm
not putting nobody on the list.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I don't do that the way.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm not that kind of friend.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
The way you looked into the camera with the side,
the bombastic side and said, I know who you are.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
No, but even just as an artist, right, Like I
feel sometimes people aren't really truly themselves, like especially if
you are under a label for example, Like they have
their perception of you and how you should be as
an artist. But I think that you get the best
music out of somebody who's really authentically and truly themselves.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I agree, I agree, and I think that the goal
is to do that more often. You know, It's like
if you have you know, you're spending fourteen hours a
day awake. You want to get to like the most
amount of time you can being yourself. Of course things
happen comfortable situations, but you want to get to the
most amount of time you can be in yourself. So
(36:56):
I like that advice. Thank you everyone forgetting this far.
If you if you did, I hope that's what you
take away from this. Remember to be yourself. I feel
like being yourself was kind of gone out of style
a little bit. And I usually say bring bullying back,
but let's bring back being.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yourself instead of that first.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Bring back being yourself, Bring back bullying, bring back gatekeeping,
bring back sidekicks, bring back flip phones.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Bring back honesty, bring back transparency, bring back communication.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Name and names.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I don't have names, all right, Well, whatever is watching,
they'll know who it's for.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
This will be like the Patreon only where it does
this names.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Names, and it's like, don't do that to me.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Adril out here for the mess, but thank you for watching,
Thank you for coming this far. If you want to
hear the radio show, you can hear it live every
Wednesday on the on cjtm MET Radio in Toronto. Find
us on Instagram at The Cold Table live on TikTok
at Agriosmiley dot com, and all episodes of The Cool
Table can be found at adrismonda dot com. Subscribe on YouTube.
(38:04):
Hit that like button insurant which people leave us a comment?
Of course let us know me your favorite song is
from Dez go back in the archives. I want to
know if one's favorite song is in the comments. Okay,
please let us know until next time, know yourself, know
your worth and add text
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