October 4, 2025 • 53 mins
On this episode of IN THE CUT, we’re joined by multidisciplinary artist and illustrator Jibola Fagbamiye, the creative force behind the new book FELA: Music Is the Weapon. Blending historical depth with surreal storytelling, the book captures the inspiring and complex life of Afrobeat pioneer Fela Kuti in a way that feels both intimate and larger-than-life.
Jibola shares his favourite moments from the creative process, the bold choices that shaped the book, and his perspective on the myths and misconceptions surrounding Fela’s story. We also dive into the possibility of a film adaptation, and he leaves us with powerful gems of wisdom for young creators navigating their own journeys. This conversation is a must-listen for fans of music, art, and storytelling at the highest level.
Jibola shares his favourite moments from the creative process, the bold choices that shaped the book, and his perspective on the myths and misconceptions surrounding Fela’s story. We also dive into the possibility of a film adaptation, and he leaves us with powerful gems of wisdom for young creators navigating their own journeys. This conversation is a must-listen for fans of music, art, and storytelling at the highest level.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The old Man.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So hey everyone, this is Noo.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's your boy, Funky, the coolest teen rapper online. What's up?
It's me ALFI. You're listening to the Cool Table with a.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Listening to the You're listening to the Cool Table.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to the Cool Table. And I'm not sure
if you know this, but right now you're in the
cut with my man Adril Smile.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. My
name is Adri Smiley aka the Godfather aka Championscribe. Now
in the cutweek challenge, I guess to finish a top
of ice cream before the end of the conversation. If
you want to hear the radio show live, you can
hear every single Wednesday at eleven am Eastern twelve eight
am in Toronto Metradio dot CA in Toronto. Now first
(00:46):
time on the show. He has a new book that's
going to be out October seventh. Correct Music is the Weapon.
Welcome to the show, Jabola.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Enough, close enough, We did it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome, Welcome, Thanks man, Thanks, thank you for joining us.
Now let's talk about the ice cream that you have.
I think you got a good trance of finishing this
ice cream. I got a lot of faith in you.
What flavor did you choose? And talk about the flavor
you chose?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, keeping it real. I took the mango coconut.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You can get into that. Don't let us hold you back.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, so mango coconut because I love mango and I
love coconut. Right, But this says Vegan, I didn't read it.
She was just like, oh, mango coconut. I just picked it, right,
And yeah, that's why I picked it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay. I'm a big mango fan as well. I feel
like love for mango runs in my family. My parents
celebrated thirty four years of marriage a couple of weeks ago.
The one time I remember seeing them fight over a mango,
so very very serious.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, no mango.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So I grew up in Nigeria, right, and we have
mango trees, oranges, all of that. And you used to
climb that bad boy all the time. Right, So anytime
I see mango, I'm like, I gotta have a mango.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You have to write it's so different because like in
Jamaica that they do the Throne of the Rock, they
get the mango down.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yes, yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, that to me is like absolute precision. It's it's
crazy that that hasn't beencome like a sport on its own.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
But that is like next night.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I'm doing we should start the sport.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
No, because it sounds easier than it is, but it's
not all.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I gotta tell you this because you're reminded me of things.
So I in Nigeria, I went to boarding school, military school,
and we had this this fruit called It's a really
tiny fruit, but the tree is really huge, so you
have to to get there. It's like way at the top,
(02:47):
you have to use a stone to like and you
just forget, like go all the way. Yeah, and you
get it eventually. So I became good at it, but
now I suck.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I've never been good at it. Like that's the one
thing where it's like you could tell I'm a foreigner.
Like everything else I could kind of fit in. Okay,
he's been here a few times. When it comes to that,
it's like, now you guys, do it. Yeah, bring me
to mango when you're done, so completely understand. Yeah, I
want to start at the beginning of this kind of
journey for you, because when I found out about this book,
(03:20):
I was very excited because a Fella as someone who
I didn't know that much about, like his personal life.
You know, I know the influence he's had, and he's
kind of bigger in terms of what he's done to
influence people then me knowing about what he actually went through.
So I was very very interested in kind of learning
more about him, you know, because his influence is, like
(03:41):
I guess, the biggest it's ever been at this point, Like, yeah,
you know. So what I guess was the start of
you wanting to even do this book, Like what was
the idea that you said, like, Okay, this is something
I actually want to even start doing.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So the first time I had the idea was I
just finished watching the Broadway show on Fella Fella on Broadway,
and it was in Toronto, and I saw like five
or six times, like anytime I got a chance to,
I just I just.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Went back to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And I had read this book on Fella just before,
and I was already kind of like Fella was in
my consciousness, right, and I was like, man.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
This Broadway show is really really good, right.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And when I read fellas this bitch of a life
doesn't buy Collins Moore. I was like, I think Collins
Moore's expression of Fella was a lot stronger than what
they did on Broadway.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I wonder if you could bring.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The two worlds together, So I say, like just sort
of playing around with the idea, and I was like,
you know what, I could take it even further, right,
because Fella is very vivid in his descriptions, and you know,
you know you have that song Zombie.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I was like, well, what if at some.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Point, and if you write a story, at some point
the soldiers and his enemies become zombies and the politicians
are actually animals because he calls animal politicians animals and
human skin, right, I'm like, what if it's like that?
And I was like, Okay, I think I'm going to
write that story, you know. So I focused the story
(05:24):
on one incident, right, and I was thinking I would
kind of I'm a huge fan of pulp fiction, and
I was like, I wanted story to be kind of
like pulp fiction, where it's not a linear story kind
of like, so I thought the story could start on
the attack on Fella's house on February eighteen, ninety seven,
(05:47):
seven a thousand soldiers came to his house and then
you talk about, you know, his time in London and
you know. But and then I went to meet my
homieh Connor that I had been working on it for
a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I'm like, I'm trying to write the story. I'm struggling
with it. Connor is a.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Veteran in in comic book writing, has done this book
called Kill Shakespeare, Assassin's Creed.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And all of that.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And I was like, can you kind of guide me
in writing this story? And I didn't know Connor had
lived in Connor for a couple of years. Oh wow,
and he was he was a huge fellowhead and I
didn't know that either. It was just like, can you
help me as a as a writer?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
That's that's serendipitous. And you brought to him and he
randomly had the knowledge.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, And it was like, dude, we're writing this stuff together,
like this is not you know, I'm not consulted. I'm
in it right, which was the best decision, right, And
we started working on it together and you know the.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Rest of its history.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, that's a quick summary.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think again, it's almost meant to be in a
sense that you brought to Connor and without even knowing
his background. But I think Fellow's story almost makes more
sense for a graphic novel. That was my thought when
I first started reading this. I was like, this is
like history that was perfect for a graphic novel. Did
you kind of feel that as you were going along?
Whereas like this being a graphic novel makes some of
(07:11):
these stories that we're telling kind of you know, bring
up a little more, standout a little more.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, absolutely right, Because with Fellas story, I think one
of the things we were trying to do was that
we wanted to write the story for two types of people, right.
One for people like you who are like, you know,
should I say, fella curious?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oh, I know about Fella.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I've heard about him, but I don't know much, right,
And then for also the fellaheads, we're.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Like, I know, fella, I already everything.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I already know everything, you know, but you know, I
just just inject more into my veins, right, yes, you know.
And the reason why I fell out what works so
well in graphic novel format is because you can play
with so many different things. Like, for instance, in the story,
one of the things we did was we went through
four different arts styles, right, which everybody told us we
(08:02):
shouldn't do, but we did anyway, right, and it worked
really nicely. So the story starts with this dream sequence,
this world, right, and we introduce the audience in euroby
mythology and our magic and.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Talking about him dying, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Talking about him dying and all of that, and then
and then after that he is reborn into the real
world and the real world feels kind of like normal,
and even the way we design the panels is very strict, right,
And when his life starts to fall apart just about
(08:40):
the halfway point in the book, the story has become darker,
the lines become thicker, even though the Lionar becomes thicker
and heavier and gloomier and more clausophobic the closer you
get to the end. And once we get to that
redemption story, it comes back to.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
What you're familiar with, right, It becomes a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
More normal, yeah, a little brighter.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
A little brighter, you know, and and we kind of
end it with a mix of the dream world and
you know, the real world.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm curious, why did people tell you not to do
the different art styles, because and maybe it's just part
of like they're just saying it in general. But I
think for this story, I feel like the different art
styles helped make it, you know, a better kind of experience.
So what was their reasoning for saying don't do the
multiple art styles?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So when I talk to most comic book artists, they
were like, well, you're gonna ruin the experience for the reader, right,
because typical graphic novels, you know, it's pretty consistent. Right,
even whenever you're interacting with anything artistic, there's there's always
(09:53):
the composition of consistency, even when you're.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Going through your apps on your phone. Consistency is key, right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So the concern, well, how do you keep the reader
grounded through the through the reading experience when you keep
changing it back and forth?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And my argument is if it flows with the story,
then it will make sense. It makes sense, yeah, and
people will be able to follow it, you know. So,
And I didn't get that. That idea didn't come from me,
by the way.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
The first time I saw that was shout out to
hoch Anderson.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
He did this book called King, which is about Martin
Luther King and the story. The art style was one
way until JFK was killed and after JFK was killed
became more borrow.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Mae, it make it more dark. I was like, Bro,
that's that's deep. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I like it. Like the movie.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I would think it was Pleasantville, you know, in Pleasantville.
How as soon as they have sex, everything changes. And
it's like, I think, you know, you keep showing that
way of things changing. It's kind of showing the mentality
because there is times like even in your real life,
when something happens and you're like, no, after this happened,
everything in life is kind of different. Yeah, you know,
so I think showing that in the novel makes a
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lot of sense before we even go forward.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't want us to get sidetracked.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, A book launch is happening, all right, Yes, yes,
October sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Space is limited. I'm ex excited for that.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Please tell anyone any else thing else they need to
know about the book launch so they can kind of
interact with you guys in person.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Okay, So book launch is not going to be your
regular boring book lunch. Okay, not calling book lunch is boring,
but you know what kind of you know what I mean?
You know, So doors open between six thirty and seven pm. Right,
it's a Thursday night. All things being equal, it's gonna beautiful.
We're gonna have dancers, We're gonna have musicians.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Okay, we're gonna have the artist talk.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It should be about forty minutes an our Q and
a session.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Then obviously we have the book signing. We'll have art
on the walls.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh, it's gonna be a vibe. It's a vibe, okay, right.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And I'm partnering with super Free, who does the gumbo. Yeah,
so he's putting everything together and yeah, it's gonna be lit.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That sounds like a vi someone might meet their wife there.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Tell you that would be like the most green flag
place to meet someone, you know what I mean, Like
you're like, okay, you you're here for the right reason.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You got your mind right? I love that.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And if you guys haven't already pre ordered the book
it comes out October seventh, you haven't already pre ordered
the book?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I have a copy, A great, great read.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
This is.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Can I say something about pre orders ahead. It's very
important to pre order because it's a signal to bookstores
that this is something people want to read.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So when you have high pre order numbers, then they
you know, it gets better real estate in the space.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Easier to find, it, easier to find and all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So that's why we wanted to pre order, because we
want to write more stories, African stories.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yes, yes, no, I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I think that's something that's important to mention because some
people are of the mindset of I'll just I'll get
it when it comes out, like it's not important. But
the pre order does actually mean something. And again it's
a tell of the market for the book. So no,
I'm happy you mentioned that. Yes, there's this quote that
this is probably the first thing I wrote in my notes.
It's a quote from Fella And this is a quote
(13:23):
that I feel like I would get tattooed like this
is how much I love this. And I honestly I'm
a music person. If you know the cool table, I
always talk music here. He says music is the weapon
of the future. Music is the weapon of the progressiveness.
Music is the weapon of the givers of life. When
you hear that, what comes to your mind?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Ah, you know, there are a couple of quotes that
come to my mind when when I read it, because
it's my Obviously, the book is called Music is a
rapid is one of my favorite quotes. But it's kind
of like one of those quotes that is is the
same level as like knowledge power, yes, or like the
(14:03):
revolution will not be televised, you know what. It's just
kinda it should be part of our language, right like that.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And there's a what's his name, Corna West has this
other quote, uh, and I was going to use it
at the end, but maybe I can't use it anymore now.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I gotta find something else. A revolution without dancing is
a revolution not worth having.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh wow, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
So when we had that quote and there, I was like,
I wanted to be one.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Of those quotes. I just you just say it, you
just remember it forever, you know. So that's how it
makes me feel. I wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I wanted to be at the tip of our tongs.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I think why the idea of music is a weapon
resonates so much because I grew up with with gospel music,
Like I came to a secondar hip hop, dancehall you
know later on in life, and in gospel, like you know,
there's obviously so much power in the words of the music.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's like inherent to the genre itself.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
In pop, you know, afrobeat, hip hop, there's so much
music where the words are like you always got to
try and forget what the words are even saying you know,
it's like you rather not listen as closely and they
don't have the same power. And to me, that's like
music in general. That's what music is for, you know,
to have that power, because it is to me, it's
the best one of brainwashing. You know, like music, the
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messages in the music you listen to is gonna affect
how you like kind of move as a person. So
when he said music as a weapon, I always think
about that of like that switch he had of like Okay,
now it's time to put messages in the music. Yeah,
talk about talk about that part in the book, because
I feel like that is very interesting to me that
you had this whole section of he's trying to make
(15:56):
it and he's more like just a musician, and then
you kind of show the part and influenced by Sandra
of like the revolutionary part to his mindset.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah. No, the I'm glad that you expanded on that.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
The thing about music as a weapon is when Fellas
started to.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You know, when he first met Sandra, right, he was just.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Sort of singing and it didn't really have just it
was just it was just a guy, right.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And then he got introduced to the Black Park movement
and realized the power of music and I And what
is very interesting about it is that he really took
it almost like a religion, right, and it was like,
I'm going to go teach my.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
People about this.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And he didn't expect that kind of pushback when when
when because it was just like, oh, I'm just going
to go tell the people, you know, obviously, you know,
and he went, you know, and the music was so
powerful that, you know, you had this fascistic Nigerian military
government at the time. It was so powerful that they
(17:17):
sent a thousand soldiers to a musician's house.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Guy had no guns.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
No, It's instant, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It was like, you know, the parallel I think of
is in the battle, the same thing with Jesus when
they sent the whole you know, Kit and Kaboodle to
go get him and You're just like, it's just a guy, bro,
and no one. It's like that's the tell, Like the
power is in that. It's like, yeah, it's like before that,
if you didn't know how powerful the music was, like
this is.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
This is it? Right? So I had another quote, but
I'm going to keep that one for later. Say it,
you know so.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And at the time, in the seventies, eighties, even only
until more recently, the music art was not taken seriously
in Nigeria and in most places around the world.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
This is the feeling, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And the fact that you have this guy who had
saxophone in one hand, marijuana on the other hand, seven
twenty eight women behind him, and the youths behind him,
and you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Know, the government was like, dude, this is too strong.
And the music.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Eventually brought the government down right. And today and until
the end of time, people always celebrate Fellas music whenever
there's revolution, whenever we're talking about protests, Yeah, Fella's name
fell Us image imagery comes up, right, And that's to
show you how much powerful that the music.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Is, you know, yeah, yeah, it's like a soundtrack of
a revolution. Yes, yes, And in this this is maybe
a question for like you know, maybe the launch or
another time it's thinking about like a proper Fellow film,
because I saw the Bob Marley film. I think it
was last year, Yeah, and I was. I was impressed
by how well it was done. And it made me
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think of Bob Marley as a religious artist, you know,
because he's Rastafari and that is a religion. We don't
think of him as a religious artist, but he's technically
the biggest religious artist that's true ever, that's true. And
his messages, you know, he became the soundtrack to peace,
soundtrack to revolution, you know, someone like I think of
(19:23):
something like one Love. Yeah, one Love is like part
of the world at this point, you know, like it
being a song from someone like as a single, yeah
is beyond And I think of like fella is that
for protest revolution? When you have those themes happening in
real life. He's a person who we think of. I
(19:43):
would love to see what a film about his life
would look like in terms of like sharing those things,
because I don't know if he's kind of viewed as
a holistic person in that way by the masses. It's
almost like two separate things, like the music is one
thing over here and the revolution is one thing over here.
Where is that I guess come together? Because I feel
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like in the book, you guys did that, But because
I saw it in the book. I was like, oh,
I see the disconnect now of some people know him
as this, some people know him as this, And Bob
Marley was my my parallel for that because I think
of now people who has a smoking weed guy, you know,
and really that was not like a part of his brand.
He happened to smoke weed, but he was never like
(20:27):
everyone smoked weed because of me. So that is the
thing that I think that you guys did a good
job of. But where you think that disconnect comes from,
where people kind of everyone sees Fella for a different thing.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, I think that that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
There was there was a lot of propaganda on on
Fella when when it was when it was alive by
the government.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yeah, they really tried to discredit him. They tried to
make sure that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
International the international community did not work with Fella, right.
So I think that's one of the reasons Fella wasn't
as big as Bob Miley at the time, you know,
you know around that's some time. I and one of
the things we were trying to do in the book
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was to paint this holistic picture about Fella, right where
we're like saying Hey, yes you have the revolutionary but yes,
it is also.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
A man, right, and he's also you know, he's also
a father and a friend and all of these things.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Because and I'm a bit biased when I'm answering this
question because I'm seeing it from a specific lens as
a Nigerian, right, growing up a certain way and seeing
Fella a certain way and then coming to the West
and experiencing a different way.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
How is everybody else is doing him right?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Because we saw him almost as the way he was
painted for us in Nigeria, and then you come out
and you're like, oh, wait a minute, he's actually all
this all these other things right. So there was a
part of me that was like, when we were writing
this story, I'm trying to, you know, bring those two
worlds together in one way and also obviously celebrate the
(22:24):
dude because it's a genius, but get in to the
colonize how how we see fella.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, Yeah, that's the word I think I wanted to
use because that's what I thought of when I saw
the About Marley movie, and I thought of about reading
this because I'm like, you guys painted a whole picture,
and I think, like, should that shouldn't be such a
like big deal for me everything.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But it really really stood out because when watching Marley thing,
I said, he's in every store as like the Bob
Marley brand or the smoking weed guy, you know, and
and Russell in his religion to his core right, so
he's probably in his great Some are turning over being
like it's not all about the weed, like you know,
And I think this is something I realized from reading
(23:06):
this is like very very similar one thing about the
illustration of this book that I said, I this is
my most excited question to ask you about because I
think you guys did a very interesting job of this,
and I want to know your thought behind this. There
are some parts in the novel where there's no dialogue,
so it will be like something happens and there's some
you know, whether it's the time when I think it's
(23:28):
Troy plays the drums for the first time with the group,
or you know, when he smokes weed again for the
first time, stuff like that, and there's no there's like
dialogue leading up to it, and then the actual like
scene is just an illustration and it's kind of its
own thing. Then go back to the dialogue, talk about
those parts because I feel like those like did a
(23:50):
really good job of kind of showing how big a
deal this was, and then again like illustrating like this
almost euphoric moment. So talk about I guess your thought
process and kind of illustrating those So.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Shout out to Connor to that he plugged that one
at first, So I'll answ her to two parts of
that question. When I first started writing the story, right,
I was thinking, I don't know, seventy.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Eighty pages backs one hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The first graphic novel or comic that written was only
about forty four.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Pages long, okay, which was a lot of work. It
took me like a year.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And then when I was talking to Connor later, I
was like, I'm thinking so he was like, oh, I
bet I got you. I'm going to go right write it.
Came back with three hundred and fifty pages of buddy,
what are you doing? Houseway like I'm not doing through it,
and we argued and argued, and then I read it
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and I was like.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Where am I gonna cut here?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I was like, bro, don't worry about it. We're going
to show it to the editor. Editor is going to
cut it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I got you, you know, I was like, all right,
because I've never done this before. So the editor read
it was like, bro, this is we're keeping because they
told us two hundred and something pages. And then he
came back. It was like he read it. It was like, guys,
we're gonna have to keep up.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I was like, that's crazy, that's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And then but in the script, you know, I'm reading
and kind of will go like two pages.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Of no dial lies.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm like, bro, you want me to draw and you
don't have to write anything of.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The question was for you. I apologize too soon, too soon?
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So but then I started to enjoy those scenes when
I decided to draw it right because for instance, the
Sandra scene, you know, when you know he smoked weed,
the first song the Tony Allen, right, that was the
first one we did, and and there were and then
(25:58):
the zombie scene, which which I think that was the
heaviest one where you spend a lot of time with
the music, and those were my favorite, one of my
favorite scenes.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Right, And what we're trying to do is just really.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Just like Fellas music, where they're almost euphoric and at hypnotic.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
We wanted you to feel like that.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Right, Like when I saw the Fellow on Broadway, it
felt like you were in the shrine, right, it smelt
like the shrine it you know, it just you were.
It was immersive, thank you. So I was hoping that
the experience we create for the reader is just it's
the same thing, and sometimes the dialogue takes you from it.
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So we wanted to make sure the colors we used,
the type of the line of uh, the line of
action that we use just brings you in as the reader,
and it makes you feel you know, I feel it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I think you guys accomplished that.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Like, like how I was describing it to my friend,
I said, it's kind of like when music has a
color to it, Like I have some playlists that I
have that I'll call them whatever the color, Like the
space is called blue and purple or the place is
called black and green, and it's whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Songs.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I feel like, you know, fit that type of deal.
And because again it's you're reading, it doesn't come with music.
You're kind of having the colors, you know, substitute for
how the music would feel. So I think you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Did that honestly, thanks man, Thanks, I dug it. No.
I like that a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Was there anything that you feel like you learned about
Fella during this process, Like anything that you're like, oh,
like I never looked at it this way, or just
something completely new that you're like, had no idea that
he did this.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
When we were writing it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
One of the things Fella always said was that he
doesn't saying love songs, right, and the tons of interviews
with Fella was like, well, love songs are stupid, and
you know, I think it was Connor and I were
talking about, you know, you're writing the book, You're you're
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going back and forth philosophically, and then we're like, wait
a minute, these songs love songs, right, These songs love
songs for Nigerians, for Africans and people who are disenfranchised.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Right, because.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know, no one else was put in their bodies
and their and their voice on the line like that,
you know, for Nigeria. We had never seen anything before
or after.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Remember, Fella was a a son of an elite family, right.
You know, his mom was a savagist, you know, and
she was really important in Nigerian history, so he didn't have.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
To do this.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
He could, he could have right and for so, who
is the son of an elite come up like that
and put his body on the line.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
It's so rare, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And and you know what he sang about was what
people were really really experiencing, you know, like deeply experiencing.
I don't know how else to explain that there were
love songs, you know. So I think that was one
of the things we realized.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know. The second piece is I didn't realize how
close Fellow was to his mother.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
That that's something I noticed. I didn't actually know a
lot about his mother, so that was like everything by
his mom is totally new for me, and I was like, oh,
his mom is cool.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I was like, it makes a.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Little more sense now, like his rebellion is a little
weird in a sense because his mom was so cool.
But I have to stateent that, like, you're gonna rebel
no matter what your parents do, you know, So sometimes
it's your parents are like pieces of ship, a little rebelled,
and then you know, but you're gonna rebel no matter
what your parents do. So that was that was cool
to see. But then how close he was with his mom,
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I'm really close with my mom as well, and his
mom kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like support throughout whatever he was doing.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, because it feels like that things would have been
different without that, you know what I mean, Like because
there are times when, even when he was a struggling
musician that you know, his mom or a mom would
be kind of like scolding him or saying like, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Get it together. And his mom was always kind of
in his corner.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So yeah, I mean she was living.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So that that was I didn't know any any of that,
but I think that's like kind of like a big
part of his story.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And I wish we had spent
more time cultivating and showing that story. You know, how
the relationship evolved over time. Facts, right, because the first
time we introduced his mom, his mom is kicking nice.
(31:05):
You know, like if if you're of African or Caribbean
and everything, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know, that's like what page three three.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Like, whoa, Okay, let me tell you about my mother.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He's like, kick, kick my ass, kicked the ass of
a king Gala, kick the ass.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That was crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So oh and and then the next time you say
the mom she's really protective, she's she's nurturing, and you
missed that gap, Like how did it?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
But that would add another what ten twenty pages at least, right,
so we couldn't we couldn't get there.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
But those are the two things that I would say
I learned, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The other thing that I really thought was interesting was
one of his bandmates, JK, kind of his influence all
over this thing, and and kind of the musical part
of this because something about Fella I've always thought, and
again this is for me not knowing that much about him,
is how does his legacy change if he's not a musician,
(32:09):
because he comes from this background. He had all these
strong ideas and music was kind of his vehicle, you know,
and I think, like, let's say he comes out in
twenty ten, he probably leaves his music altogether, and it's
just like a Rihanna or a jay Z and it's
just you know, speaking out differently. So seeing all the
(32:32):
stuff about his musical background or upbringing was so interesting
because I feel like he had he just wanted to
be a star, you know, and like that. And it
was like, also he did love the music, but there
was more of this like I want to be a
star quality more than anything. Talk about that. Is that
you feel like that that's like true? Or am I
misreading Land?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I think that that that's pretty pretty true. Like even
when we introduce Bella, you know, as a little boy,
you know, we're like, you know, I want I want
the world to know my name, right, you know, So
there was if you look at the cover of the book,
you know, Fella's name is huge, right, because he also
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likes his name pretty big, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
So so so there's that element.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But I think that some of the parallels that were
a bit more subtle, we're stronger for me. So as
a little kid, he wanted to be Simon Templar, which
the Saint, which is kind of like a guy that
helped people. And then he became more like a Malcolm
(33:38):
X kind of character. And you could see you can
see both, right, you can see both in the way
he took care of people fell out was extremely generous,
is what people said about him, and we try to
show that in the book. And he I think he
had extreme empathy, right because he was like, Hey, I'm
(34:01):
I'm gonna put my body on the line for what
I believe in right, and and uh.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, I think those.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Uh those strains or those qualities I would say, are
more we're stronger than I want to be a star.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And then when he started to when he decided to
run for president, I feel that he was just like,
I'm you know, nobody else is going to do this,
so I'm gonna do it. There's something we didn't put
in the book. He had actually wanted his one of
his friends to run, who was a lawyer, right, And
(34:42):
he went and met with his friend and was like
talking about, hey, maybe we should I think guys still
live so I can't say his name, you know, so hey,
maybe we should we should do this, and and the
guy was like, oh, yeah, sure absolutely.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I'm he was already famous because he was represented fella
as a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
But then.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
He had said some things that were really uh bougie,
and he was like, oh, I would never send my
kids to this place.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And I felt I was like, I don't know, and
maybe not this guy.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So it was like I don't know who else would
do it, so I'll do it right, you know. So anyway,
so that's what I think, right, Like, the selflessness was
stronger than wanting to be a star.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, I think he always had that in him. It
seems like that that part of him was always there,
And I think that that's the thing is like the
world is obviously different now was a crazy place, but
the notoriety around those qualities and those kinds of people
is different.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
We don't have a Malcolm X type of figure. We
have celebrities who are more in media who may have
Malcolm X type of qualities, but we don't have that,
Like the world is not the same. In telling someone
the other day, Martin Luther King was so famous he
had comic books about him, you know, And I was like,
think about, like who gets comic books now, it's like
(36:10):
the superstar athlete, the A list actor. There's no like
pastor from the South. Who's gonna like the books about them?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
And when I when I read this, it was years
before that, I have a dream speech. So it's like,
think about how pop and he must have been, you know,
in that lane, Like that doesn't exist anymore. So I
think even that is so different in like the AIRFLA
came up in where it's like the world had more
of an appetite for that kind of person who it's
(36:38):
like you you're just here to help, and that's like
now it's like if you're you're that kind of person
here to help, Like you're not getting verified on Twitter,
You're not you know, there's not.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
There for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I really really think this is something that like everyone
should read, and I'm happy that you guys did it
in this format, Like I think it really really makes
it like such a easy read, like such an enjoyable read,
because there's stuff in this story that's not like fun
to read, you know what I mean. And I feel
like you guys have that balance of having like some
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of the lighter moments and the heavier moments, and even
the moments that are like not even heavy, doesn't important
not have them be solemn? Was there any conversations around
the tone in in this lot?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
A lot? So?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You know, my reference point is always fell on Broadway?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Again, it was such a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Broadway uh Bi play, But I felt Fella was a
little bit sanitized, and there was reasons for it because
they were trying to appeal to a broad mind, Yes, right,
And I was like, can you unsanitized Fella but still
try to you know, appeal to a broad audience where
(37:59):
it's like, you know, you know, you cod and it's
giving me.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
You give me this straight dope, you.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Know, and don't cut it, don't cut it.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Just just give it to me, you know, tell me
the truth and treat me like an adult. Right.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And but it's still you know, it's it's still enjoyable,
and you know, it's not offensive, and you're you know,
you know, one of and the way we try to
and I have a question for you after this, actually
the way we tried to ground before the reader was
(38:32):
JK was that companion, which is you? Right, You're JK
in the story walking with fella, you know, and at
some point you're just like, I.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Don't know if I can do this anymore, bro, you know,
like this is this is heavy.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I liked the thing between I'll get to your question.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I like giving him and JK because I feel like
I have a friend who's my JK and I'm more
the fella, so I kind of related to their dynamic
in a sense.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Right, Yeah, And my question is that that what did
you feel about j Because JK is one of my
favorite characters in the book, right, Sandra is my favorite,
but obviously, Yeah, But but JK is one of my
second favorite.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I really liked it just because again, like I have,
I feel like I have a JK in my own life, right,
and I feel like a JK is necessary because in
a sense, it's like Fellas never going to lose his core,
you know, but the JK and his life helps him expand.
And I think what's so beautiful about the two of
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them is they almost.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Like let each other be like themselves themselves, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
And there's that scene I think it's at the beginning
where they with a P on the sign and it's
like JK just starts it says joined me, you know,
and it's like that's such a small thing, but that's
the idea of like I'm going to do it because
this is how I do things. I want you to
join me, but I'm not gonna wait for you to
join me to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And I think I know you're gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
It's like, but you know, I see you come over
here in a second. So JK was one of my
favorites too, because I just feel like he was so
such a necessary part of the story, and as well,
it's like it's kind of was like the cool version
of being down for the cause, you know, like like
like he wasn't gonna go all the way there and
be the guy who like dresses different or like he's like,
(40:26):
I'm still gonna be cool, but I'm with you guys
right right right.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's almost like you write or die almost like hey man,
I wish you all the way too. And then you know,
I remember one of these things in boarding school that
I developed for myself where I was like, Okay, all
my friends that's saying, dide, you're doing this thing. You know.
(40:51):
Then that means there's I'm doing the thing, you know,
and it's a criticism, then that's that's real.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
If one person says it, yeah whatever, two people, but
all my homies they're like saying it does something there, right.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So I wanted to create We wanted to create that
that essence where Jake is that guy was like I'm
with you all the way and then you're just like
hey man.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Please please, you know, down back and not.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You know, I think the only thing I could compare
it to is kind of like shout out to like Kanye,
where we were rude with Kanye.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can't.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Take it all the way together, you know. You know,
so that was kind of like the same sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
No, I like to think.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I think it's it's necessary and you got to show
such a human inside of him. That's why reading this
I really wanted to think about like a Fellow film,
because I'm like, these people are people, yes, and it's
like kind of them want to the fear, but the
bravery and what they're doing on once you become famous,
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it's almost like we take the braver away from what
they're doing, and that makes any sense of like this
is just what they do. It doesn't seem as brave.
It's kind of like when someone's a big star, you know.
Kevin Hart always says it about what he does. He says,
I make it look so easy because I've done it
ten times. But it was never easy any of the times.
But I made it look so easy you take it
for granted. And I feel like with someone like Fella,
(42:26):
it's a much of the same. Where can you imagine
a thousand soldiers coming to your front door? You know,
like in here You're like and you're like, he must
be accustomed to that or he knew what was coming
it's like he's a person.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, and he's also scared too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
So I think like that part is my is what
I'll take away from this book. A lot is like
him as a human where it's like even beating Sandra,
the kind of self reflection of like, oh I'm actually
not as good as I think I am. I'm not
doing the thing I think I'm supposed to be doing.
So it's like those human things I think are something
(43:03):
we can all take from. We're not all going to
be fellow, we're not all gonna, you know, change the
world in that way, but just to kind of look
at yourself as a person, to be able to grow, evolve,
change and learn about yourself, Like those are the things
in him where it manifested in this you know, huge
huge impact, right, But it's like that's those that's a
(43:23):
human experience, Like no one is about the human experience.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
So yeah, no, I love that.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
We're Gonnet some silly questions now, Okay, we've gotten serious. Okay,
before we get to silly questions, make sure you preorder
the book October sixteenth, make sure you're there for the
book launch listen. I will be there, so if you
want to at least see me, come for me at least.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
So when people get one hundred million dollars, they always
they always get an animal. I don't know why this happens,
It's just the rules, Okay. Michael Jackson with his monkey,
Mike Tyson with his tiger, Justin Bieber with his monkey.
So when you get to one hundred million dollars, is
there an animal that you want to bring into your life?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Man, that's a that's a that's a heavy one. A
couple of animals come to mind.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Okay, but well you can afford it. You got a
HUNDREDI dollars.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I got one hundred million dollars. Man, I think I'll
go with an elephant.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Bro Elephant Okay, okay, Elephant feels like a popular answer
we're getting nowadays for real. Yeah, I elephant is vibes,
I guess.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, elephant vibes the elephant, you know. I think because
elephants are just.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
So grand and there was a gentle too, you know,
but you don't want to mess with them because you know.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
So why I like elephant? Maybe my favorite answers is
because elephant is calm energy. It's like you don't want
an animal in your orbit that's going to have you
on edge, you know what I mean, Like you can't,
like you can't just be calm because you have this
animal around, and so we gotta be you gotta be.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Here, you know.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
An elephant should be that, but because they're so calm,
it's like we all got to be calm, bro, Like,
you can't act up around this elephant.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
So yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I think that's what's cool about elephants because they're like, dude,
I'm actually the real king of the job.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yes, but I'm not. I don't. I don't have good prs.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I'm not gonna throw ship at anybody.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Don't mess with me, all right?
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know, Well the animals did you have? You said
you had a couple. You said elephant, What are that?
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Okay? So I had I had elephant.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
The other one that came to my mind was I
thought of at some reason with the tiger, with the
white tiger.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And then I was like, but elephant.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I don't know, no, no, the why why do I
want a tiger? I actually don't know. I was just like,
I don't know. You got one hundred million.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Tiger see and maybe this is this is my foolish,
foolish upbringing. I spent a lot of time in Jamaica
when I was younger, and in Jamaica obviously is very
different vibe. It's not the way people here. What the
dogs got on a whole North faced jacket and supreme shoes.
We don't do that in Jamaica. The cats stay outside,
the dogs are on the streets. So I've always so
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I've always been like, these animals are still animals. Like
we can domesticate them all we want, They're still animals.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I don't want to add an animal that brings that
energy to me because I love dogs and I love cats,
but anything that's an animal that I'm gonna bring in
my life and be like, you know what, you're still
an animal, Like I'm not gonna forget that.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
I don't trust you like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
So that's kind of my measure of like a tiger,
I'm never going to forget.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
You'll never just be a cat to me, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I don't know if the animal will live in my house, bro,
like the tiger will.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
True, you got dollars, you got the whole state.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
I'm like, hey, you stay over there, I stay over here,
But everybody knows I've got at.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
The one.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Maybe I got to find a way to add this
to this question. I've been rewatching some of the old
Jurassic parks. What there's some of those movies where they
have them like be as pets. Cool idea.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I don't know if that's a real thing that could
really work, like.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
You mean like like dis Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, they in some of the films they have them
as pets and they're like a walking around.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I don't think that's.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Really due to them, Like why did they how did
they make them domesticated?
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I think they just kind of grow them, like they're
berths into that environment.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Yeah, but they're instinct.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I know exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
I think maybe they did something with those animals.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, like some dude or some kind of drug. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
I remember this, uh one time in Nigeria where this
guy had a yena, right, and he will walk down
the street.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
And this was like a leash or just and and
this was.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
A an upscale part of town, right, and this dude
would just walk down and everybody's who's this do with that?
You know, like you know, and it came out of nowhere.
I don't even know what happened to dude.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
After we know what happened.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
We know what happened happened.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
We can do the math, but there was just a
moment in time we're like, do you know did you
see that guy with that?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
You?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, because this was before social media, you know,
so everyone saw it.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
You had to say because you can't even share.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah, it's it's signings, right, You're like, dude, I saw him,
you know.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
You know, I don't know those people worry me who
are like they have to be around the animals who
are like that, Like, yeah, yeah, those people are definitely
worried someome. Yeah, so I like that elephant. Listen and
the comments. Let us know, is there an animal that
you guys would choose? It's elephant a good answer. Also,
what animal do you think Fellow would choose? That's what
(48:50):
I want to in the comments. Let us know you
comment on Spotify now, comment on YouTube? Is do we
have some kind of direction for what we think Fellow
would choose?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
So actually had two dogs and a donkey?
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Oh yes, all right, I forget the name of donkey,
I can find out, but I forget the name.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
And I think one of the dogs is called Rambos
eighties and then the other dog was called.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Called in Yubai's Woko law, right, which is it's offensive.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
So can I see it's like go look.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
For a dick, so that that dog was not his
favorite so favorite dog and.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Then yeah, but yeah, so that was that was a
funny thing.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, So so he's a dog guy. Okay, he's a
dog dog donkey.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
All right, we have some some places to lead, so
in the comments, let us know what do you think
Fella's animal would be?
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Animal. We've reached the end of the podcast. I don't
think everyone for joining us making it to the end
of this show. Listen watching. But before we go, we
have the second on the radio show call Wednesday Wisdom.
Look for motivational quote or saying either you remind yourself
of or the people around you. So what's that quote
for you?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Artists use lies to tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Wow, that's a bar. That's a bar. Artists use lies
to tell the truth. That's a good one. That's a
good one.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
I think that's like, you can't you can't really beat
that that's that's like as true as it gets and
as well, Like I think about that with a lot
of my friends who are artists, and it's like you're
almost you are a poet, but you're you're a poet
in a way where whatever is true to you.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Is almost irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, you know, it's whatever you're making the person feel
that's important.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
So I like that artist use lies to tell the truth.
Let's see where you're at with the ice cream. How
far do we go?
Speaker 4 (50:54):
I didn't get that far. I would say a quarter.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Let's let's show that the camera right here. I think
you may you made it decently far? Okay, okay, not bad,
not bad.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
You know, not bad.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
Edit it okay. Has anyone ever finished?
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yes, we've definitely people finished for sure, but they're like
true demons. Like in the second I start talking, it's
just going.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
So funny thing is that I'm actually not I don't
have a lot of sweets.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
So if I take this home, my wife is going
to destroy this. I know it's not going to be there.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Perfect perfect when we used to so before we were
working with EVAs, Eva's the iceboat sponsor for all the
season three before we EVAs, we were just grabbing from
the grocery store, so by the studio wherever grocery store
was grab ice cream whatever, and it was like the
big like Chapman's Briars. So obviously no one could finish that.
So we had people like bring it around with them
(51:47):
and like walking the street with them, like give it
to a homeless person. Someone brought it to work. We
had someone who had their bandmates finish it. So this
ice cream has been it's communal ice cream. Okay, okay,
always communal ice cream, and.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
You have the for an ice cream every season, I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Well for the past two seams has been EVAs and
everyone cannot choose their own flavor.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Gotcha?
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, thank you again for joining us man, this is
This has been a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah, this was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
You guys, preorder of the book please, and thank you.
Fellow Music is the Weapon. The book launch October sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
I will be there if you want to come and
just see me. But of course it's going to be
a great night. I'm excited. This event sounds like it's
going to be absolutely fun. We love a non boring
book launch because when people hear book launch, they're like, oh,
you're going to read to me?
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, I know because I've been to a couple yeah,
and I was like, no, we're not doing no, we can't.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Then when I talk to Dings like we're not doing.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
That, yeah, party, and I was like yeah, yeh yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
And it's it's it's Fella's birthday is actually October fifteenth.
Oh wow, this is happening a day after Fella's birthday, right,
so right on time, celebration.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Right on time, you know. I like that this is
a book launch is a celebration. Yeah. Subscribe to us
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Speaker 1 (53:09):
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Speaker 3 (53:09):
Rating and a review five stars, not a single star
less and until next time, know yourself, Know your worth.
The old Man.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
So hey everyone, this is Noo.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's your boy, Funky, the coolest teen rapper online. What's up?
It's me ALFI. You're listening to the Cool Table with a.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Listening to the You're listening to the Cool Table.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to the Cool Table. And I'm not sure
if you know this, but right now you're in the
cut with my man Adril Smile.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. My
name is Adri Smiley aka the Godfather aka Championscribe. Now
in the cutweek challenge, I guess to finish a top
of ice cream before the end of the conversation. If
you want to hear the radio show live, you can
hear every single Wednesday at eleven am Eastern twelve eight
am in Toronto Metradio dot CA in Toronto. Now first
(00:46):
time on the show. He has a new book that's
going to be out October seventh. Correct Music is the Weapon.
Welcome to the show, Jabola.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Yeah, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Enough, close enough, We did it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Welcome, Welcome, Thanks man, Thanks, thank you for joining us.
Now let's talk about the ice cream that you have.
I think you got a good trance of finishing this
ice cream. I got a lot of faith in you.
What flavor did you choose? And talk about the flavor
you chose?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Okay, keeping it real. I took the mango coconut.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You can get into that. Don't let us hold you back.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, so mango coconut because I love mango and I
love coconut. Right, But this says Vegan, I didn't read it.
She was just like, oh, mango coconut. I just picked it, right,
And yeah, that's why I picked it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Okay. I'm a big mango fan as well. I feel
like love for mango runs in my family. My parents
celebrated thirty four years of marriage a couple of weeks ago.
The one time I remember seeing them fight over a mango,
so very very serious.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, no mango.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So I grew up in Nigeria, right, and we have
mango trees, oranges, all of that. And you used to
climb that bad boy all the time. Right, So anytime
I see mango, I'm like, I gotta have a mango.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
You have to write it's so different because like in
Jamaica that they do the Throne of the Rock, they
get the mango down.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yes, yeah, I forgot about that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, that to me is like absolute precision. It's it's
crazy that that hasn't beencome like a sport on its own.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
But that is like next night.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I'm doing we should start the sport.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
No, because it sounds easier than it is, but it's
not all.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
I gotta tell you this because you're reminded me of things.
So I in Nigeria, I went to boarding school, military school,
and we had this this fruit called It's a really
tiny fruit, but the tree is really huge, so you
have to to get there. It's like way at the top,
(02:47):
you have to use a stone to like and you
just forget, like go all the way. Yeah, and you
get it eventually. So I became good at it, but
now I suck.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I've never been good at it. Like that's the one
thing where it's like you could tell I'm a foreigner.
Like everything else I could kind of fit in. Okay,
he's been here a few times. When it comes to that,
it's like, now you guys, do it. Yeah, bring me
to mango when you're done, so completely understand. Yeah, I
want to start at the beginning of this kind of
journey for you, because when I found out about this book,
(03:20):
I was very excited because a Fella as someone who
I didn't know that much about, like his personal life.
You know, I know the influence he's had, and he's
kind of bigger in terms of what he's done to
influence people then me knowing about what he actually went through.
So I was very very interested in kind of learning
more about him, you know, because his influence is, like
(03:41):
I guess, the biggest it's ever been at this point, Like, yeah,
you know. So what I guess was the start of
you wanting to even do this book, Like what was
the idea that you said, like, Okay, this is something
I actually want to even start doing.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So the first time I had the idea was I
just finished watching the Broadway show on Fella Fella on Broadway,
and it was in Toronto, and I saw like five
or six times, like anytime I got a chance to,
I just I just.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Went back to watch.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And I had read this book on Fella just before,
and I was already kind of like Fella was in
my consciousness, right, and I was like, man.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
This Broadway show is really really good, right.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And when I read fellas this bitch of a life
doesn't buy Collins Moore. I was like, I think Collins
Moore's expression of Fella was a lot stronger than what
they did on Broadway.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I wonder if you could bring.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The two worlds together, So I say, like just sort
of playing around with the idea, and I was like,
you know what, I could take it even further, right,
because Fella is very vivid in his descriptions, and you know,
you know you have that song Zombie.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I was like, well, what if at some.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Point, and if you write a story, at some point
the soldiers and his enemies become zombies and the politicians
are actually animals because he calls animal politicians animals and
human skin, right, I'm like, what if it's like that?
And I was like, Okay, I think I'm going to
write that story, you know. So I focused the story
(05:24):
on one incident, right, and I was thinking I would
kind of I'm a huge fan of pulp fiction, and
I was like, I wanted story to be kind of
like pulp fiction, where it's not a linear story kind
of like, so I thought the story could start on
the attack on Fella's house on February eighteen, ninety seven,
(05:47):
seven a thousand soldiers came to his house and then
you talk about, you know, his time in London and
you know. But and then I went to meet my
homieh Connor that I had been working on it for
a couple of years.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
I'm like, I'm trying to write the story. I'm struggling
with it. Connor is a.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Veteran in in comic book writing, has done this book
called Kill Shakespeare, Assassin's Creed.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
And all of that.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And I was like, can you kind of guide me
in writing this story? And I didn't know Connor had
lived in Connor for a couple of years. Oh wow,
and he was he was a huge fellowhead and I
didn't know that either. It was just like, can you
help me as a as a writer?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
That's that's serendipitous. And you brought to him and he
randomly had the knowledge.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, And it was like, dude, we're writing this stuff together,
like this is not you know, I'm not consulted. I'm
in it right, which was the best decision, right, And
we started working on it together and you know the.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Rest of its history.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Damn.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, that's a quick summary.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
I think again, it's almost meant to be in a
sense that you brought to Connor and without even knowing
his background. But I think Fellow's story almost makes more
sense for a graphic novel. That was my thought when
I first started reading this. I was like, this is
like history that was perfect for a graphic novel. Did
you kind of feel that as you were going along?
Whereas like this being a graphic novel makes some of
(07:11):
these stories that we're telling kind of you know, bring
up a little more, standout a little more.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, absolutely right, Because with Fellas story, I think one
of the things we were trying to do was that
we wanted to write the story for two types of people, right.
One for people like you who are like, you know,
should I say, fella curious?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oh, I know about Fella.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I've heard about him, but I don't know much, right,
And then for also the fellaheads, we're.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Like, I know, fella, I already everything.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I already know everything, you know, but you know, I
just just inject more into my veins, right, yes, you know.
And the reason why I fell out what works so
well in graphic novel format is because you can play
with so many different things. Like, for instance, in the story,
one of the things we did was we went through
four different arts styles, right, which everybody told us we
(08:02):
shouldn't do, but we did anyway, right, and it worked
really nicely. So the story starts with this dream sequence,
this world, right, and we introduce the audience in euroby
mythology and our magic and.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Talking about him dying, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Talking about him dying and all of that, and then
and then after that he is reborn into the real
world and the real world feels kind of like normal,
and even the way we design the panels is very strict, right,
And when his life starts to fall apart just about
(08:40):
the halfway point in the book, the story has become darker,
the lines become thicker, even though the Lionar becomes thicker
and heavier and gloomier and more clausophobic the closer you
get to the end. And once we get to that
redemption story, it comes back to.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
What you're familiar with, right, It becomes a little bit.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
More normal, yeah, a little brighter.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
A little brighter, you know, and and we kind of
end it with a mix of the dream world and
you know, the real world.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'm curious, why did people tell you not to do
the different art styles, because and maybe it's just part
of like they're just saying it in general. But I
think for this story, I feel like the different art
styles helped make it, you know, a better kind of experience.
So what was their reasoning for saying don't do the
multiple art styles?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
So when I talk to most comic book artists, they
were like, well, you're gonna ruin the experience for the reader, right,
because typical graphic novels, you know, it's pretty consistent. Right,
even whenever you're interacting with anything artistic, there's there's always
(09:53):
the composition of consistency, even when you're.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Going through your apps on your phone. Consistency is key, right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So the concern, well, how do you keep the reader
grounded through the through the reading experience when you keep
changing it back and forth?
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And my argument is if it flows with the story,
then it will make sense. It makes sense, yeah, and
people will be able to follow it, you know. So,
And I didn't get that. That idea didn't come from me,
by the way.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
The first time I saw that was shout out to
hoch Anderson.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
He did this book called King, which is about Martin
Luther King and the story. The art style was one
way until JFK was killed and after JFK was killed
became more borrow.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Mae, it make it more dark. I was like, Bro,
that's that's deep. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I like it. Like the movie.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
I would think it was Pleasantville, you know, in Pleasantville.
How as soon as they have sex, everything changes. And
it's like, I think, you know, you keep showing that
way of things changing. It's kind of showing the mentality
because there is times like even in your real life,
when something happens and you're like, no, after this happened,
everything in life is kind of different. Yeah, you know,
so I think showing that in the novel makes a
(11:07):
lot of sense before we even go forward.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I don't want us to get sidetracked.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Okay, A book launch is happening, all right, Yes, yes,
October sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Space is limited. I'm ex excited for that.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Please tell anyone any else thing else they need to
know about the book launch so they can kind of
interact with you guys in person.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Okay, So book launch is not going to be your
regular boring book lunch. Okay, not calling book lunch is boring,
but you know what kind of you know what I mean?
You know, So doors open between six thirty and seven pm. Right,
it's a Thursday night. All things being equal, it's gonna beautiful.
We're gonna have dancers, We're gonna have musicians.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Okay, we're gonna have the artist talk.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
It should be about forty minutes an our Q and
a session.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Then obviously we have the book signing. We'll have art
on the walls.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh, it's gonna be a vibe. It's a vibe, okay, right.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
And I'm partnering with super Free, who does the gumbo. Yeah,
so he's putting everything together and yeah, it's gonna be lit.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
That sounds like a vi someone might meet their wife there.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Tell you that would be like the most green flag
place to meet someone, you know what I mean, Like
you're like, okay, you you're here for the right reason.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
You got your mind right? I love that.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
And if you guys haven't already pre ordered the book
it comes out October seventh, you haven't already pre ordered
the book?
Speaker 1 (12:31):
I have a copy, A great, great read.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
This is.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Can I say something about pre orders ahead. It's very
important to pre order because it's a signal to bookstores
that this is something people want to read.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So when you have high pre order numbers, then they
you know, it gets better real estate in the space.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Easier to find, it, easier to find and all of that.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So that's why we wanted to pre order, because we
want to write more stories, African stories.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yes, yes, no, I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I think that's something that's important to mention because some
people are of the mindset of I'll just I'll get
it when it comes out, like it's not important. But
the pre order does actually mean something. And again it's
a tell of the market for the book. So no,
I'm happy you mentioned that. Yes, there's this quote that
this is probably the first thing I wrote in my notes.
It's a quote from Fella And this is a quote
(13:23):
that I feel like I would get tattooed like this
is how much I love this. And I honestly I'm
a music person. If you know the cool table, I
always talk music here. He says music is the weapon
of the future. Music is the weapon of the progressiveness.
Music is the weapon of the givers of life. When
you hear that, what comes to your mind?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Ah, you know, there are a couple of quotes that
come to my mind when when I read it, because
it's my Obviously, the book is called Music is a
rapid is one of my favorite quotes. But it's kind
of like one of those quotes that is is the
same level as like knowledge power, yes, or like the
(14:03):
revolution will not be televised, you know what. It's just
kinda it should be part of our language, right like that.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
And there's a what's his name, Corna West has this
other quote, uh, and I was going to use it
at the end, but maybe I can't use it anymore now.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I gotta find something else. A revolution without dancing is
a revolution not worth having.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh wow, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
All right.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
So when we had that quote and there, I was like,
I wanted to be one.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Of those quotes. I just you just say it, you
just remember it forever, you know. So that's how it
makes me feel. I wanted to be.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I wanted to be at the tip of our tongs.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I think why the idea of music is a weapon
resonates so much because I grew up with with gospel music,
Like I came to a secondar hip hop, dancehall you
know later on in life, and in gospel, like you know,
there's obviously so much power in the words of the music.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
It's like inherent to the genre itself.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
In pop, you know, afrobeat, hip hop, there's so much
music where the words are like you always got to
try and forget what the words are even saying you know,
it's like you rather not listen as closely and they
don't have the same power. And to me, that's like
music in general. That's what music is for, you know,
to have that power, because it is to me, it's
the best one of brainwashing. You know, like music, the
(15:35):
messages in the music you listen to is gonna affect
how you like kind of move as a person. So
when he said music as a weapon, I always think
about that of like that switch he had of like Okay,
now it's time to put messages in the music. Yeah,
talk about talk about that part in the book, because
I feel like that is very interesting to me that
you had this whole section of he's trying to make
(15:56):
it and he's more like just a musician, and then
you kind of show the part and influenced by Sandra
of like the revolutionary part to his mindset.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah. No, the I'm glad that you expanded on that.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
The thing about music as a weapon is when Fellas
started to.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
You know, when he first met Sandra, right, he was just.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Sort of singing and it didn't really have just it
was just it was just a guy, right.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
You know.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And then he got introduced to the Black Park movement
and realized the power of music and I And what
is very interesting about it is that he really took
it almost like a religion, right, and it was like,
I'm going to go teach my.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
People about this.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And he didn't expect that kind of pushback when when
when because it was just like, oh, I'm just going
to go tell the people, you know, obviously, you know,
and he went, you know, and the music was so
powerful that, you know, you had this fascistic Nigerian military
government at the time. It was so powerful that they
(17:17):
sent a thousand soldiers to a musician's house.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Guy had no guns.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
No, It's instant, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
It was like, you know, the parallel I think of
is in the battle, the same thing with Jesus when
they sent the whole you know, Kit and Kaboodle to
go get him and You're just like, it's just a guy, bro,
and no one. It's like that's the tell, Like the
power is in that. It's like, yeah, it's like before that,
if you didn't know how powerful the music was, like
this is.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
This is it? Right? So I had another quote, but
I'm going to keep that one for later. Say it,
you know so.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
And at the time, in the seventies, eighties, even only
until more recently, the music art was not taken seriously
in Nigeria and in most places around the world.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
This is the feeling, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And the fact that you have this guy who had
saxophone in one hand, marijuana on the other hand, seven
twenty eight women behind him, and the youths behind him,
and you.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Know, the government was like, dude, this is too strong.
And the music.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Eventually brought the government down right. And today and until
the end of time, people always celebrate Fellas music whenever
there's revolution, whenever we're talking about protests, Yeah, Fella's name
fell Us image imagery comes up, right, And that's to
show you how much powerful that the music.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Is, you know, yeah, yeah, it's like a soundtrack of
a revolution. Yes, yes, And in this this is maybe
a question for like you know, maybe the launch or
another time it's thinking about like a proper Fellow film,
because I saw the Bob Marley film. I think it
was last year, Yeah, and I was. I was impressed
by how well it was done. And it made me
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think of Bob Marley as a religious artist, you know,
because he's Rastafari and that is a religion. We don't
think of him as a religious artist, but he's technically
the biggest religious artist that's true ever, that's true. And
his messages, you know, he became the soundtrack to peace,
soundtrack to revolution, you know, someone like I think of
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something like one Love. Yeah, one Love is like part
of the world at this point, you know, like it
being a song from someone like as a single, yeah
is beyond And I think of like fella is that
for protest revolution? When you have those themes happening in
real life. He's a person who we think of. I
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would love to see what a film about his life
would look like in terms of like sharing those things,
because I don't know if he's kind of viewed as
a holistic person in that way by the masses. It's
almost like two separate things, like the music is one
thing over here and the revolution is one thing over here.
Where is that I guess come together? Because I feel
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like in the book, you guys did that, But because
I saw it in the book. I was like, oh,
I see the disconnect now of some people know him
as this, some people know him as this, And Bob
Marley was my my parallel for that because I think
of now people who has a smoking weed guy, you know,
and really that was not like a part of his brand.
He happened to smoke weed, but he was never like
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everyone smoked weed because of me. So that is the
thing that I think that you guys did a good
job of. But where you think that disconnect comes from,
where people kind of everyone sees Fella for a different thing.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, I think that that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
There was there was a lot of propaganda on on
Fella when when it was when it was alive by
the government.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yeah, they really tried to discredit him. They tried to
make sure that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
International the international community did not work with Fella, right.
So I think that's one of the reasons Fella wasn't
as big as Bob Miley at the time, you know,
you know around that's some time. I and one of
the things we were trying to do in the book
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was to paint this holistic picture about Fella, right where
we're like saying Hey, yes you have the revolutionary but yes,
it is also.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
A man, right, and he's also you know, he's also
a father and a friend and all of these things.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Because and I'm a bit biased when I'm answering this
question because I'm seeing it from a specific lens as
a Nigerian, right, growing up a certain way and seeing
Fella a certain way and then coming to the West
and experiencing a different way.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
How is everybody else is doing him right?
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Because we saw him almost as the way he was
painted for us in Nigeria, and then you come out
and you're like, oh, wait a minute, he's actually all
this all these other things right. So there was a
part of me that was like, when we were writing
this story, I'm trying to, you know, bring those two
worlds together in one way and also obviously celebrate the
(22:24):
dude because it's a genius, but get in to the
colonize how how we see fella.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, Yeah, that's the word I think I wanted to
use because that's what I thought of when I saw
the About Marley movie, and I thought of about reading
this because I'm like, you guys painted a whole picture,
and I think, like, should that shouldn't be such a
like big deal for me everything.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
But it really really stood out because when watching Marley thing,
I said, he's in every store as like the Bob
Marley brand or the smoking weed guy, you know, and
and Russell in his religion to his core right, so
he's probably in his great Some are turning over being
like it's not all about the weed, like you know,
And I think this is something I realized from reading
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this is like very very similar one thing about the
illustration of this book that I said, I this is
my most excited question to ask you about because I
think you guys did a very interesting job of this,
and I want to know your thought behind this. There
are some parts in the novel where there's no dialogue,
so it will be like something happens and there's some
you know, whether it's the time when I think it's
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Troy plays the drums for the first time with the group,
or you know, when he smokes weed again for the
first time, stuff like that, and there's no there's like
dialogue leading up to it, and then the actual like
scene is just an illustration and it's kind of its
own thing. Then go back to the dialogue, talk about
those parts because I feel like those like did a
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really good job of kind of showing how big a
deal this was, and then again like illustrating like this
almost euphoric moment. So talk about I guess your thought
process and kind of illustrating those So.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Shout out to Connor to that he plugged that one
at first, So I'll answ her to two parts of
that question. When I first started writing the story, right,
I was thinking, I don't know, seventy.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Eighty pages backs one hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
The first graphic novel or comic that written was only
about forty four.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Pages long, okay, which was a lot of work. It
took me like a year.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And then when I was talking to Connor later, I
was like, I'm thinking so he was like, oh, I
bet I got you. I'm going to go right write it.
Came back with three hundred and fifty pages of buddy,
what are you doing? Houseway like I'm not doing through it,
and we argued and argued, and then I read it
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and I was like.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Where am I gonna cut here?
Speaker 4 (24:54):
I was like, bro, don't worry about it. We're going
to show it to the editor. Editor is going to
cut it.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I got you, you know, I was like, all right,
because I've never done this before. So the editor read
it was like, bro, this is we're keeping because they
told us two hundred and something pages. And then he
came back. It was like he read it. It was like, guys,
we're gonna have to keep up.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I was like, that's crazy, that's so crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And then but in the script, you know, I'm reading
and kind of will go like two pages.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Of no dial lies.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I'm like, bro, you want me to draw and you
don't have to write anything of.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The question was for you. I apologize too soon, too soon?
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So but then I started to enjoy those scenes when
I decided to draw it right because for instance, the
Sandra scene, you know, when you know he smoked weed,
the first song the Tony Allen, right, that was the
first one we did, and and there were and then
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the zombie scene, which which I think that was the
heaviest one where you spend a lot of time with
the music, and those were my favorite, one of my
favorite scenes.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Right, And what we're trying to do is just really.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Just like Fellas music, where they're almost euphoric and at hypnotic.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
We wanted you to feel like that.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Right, Like when I saw the Fellow on Broadway, it
felt like you were in the shrine, right, it smelt
like the shrine it you know, it just you were.
It was immersive, thank you. So I was hoping that
the experience we create for the reader is just it's
the same thing, and sometimes the dialogue takes you from it.
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So we wanted to make sure the colors we used,
the type of the line of uh, the line of
action that we use just brings you in as the reader,
and it makes you feel you know, I feel it.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
I think you guys accomplished that.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Like, like how I was describing it to my friend,
I said, it's kind of like when music has a
color to it, Like I have some playlists that I
have that I'll call them whatever the color, Like the
space is called blue and purple or the place is
called black and green, and it's whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Songs.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I feel like, you know, fit that type of deal.
And because again it's you're reading, it doesn't come with music.
You're kind of having the colors, you know, substitute for
how the music would feel. So I think you guys.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Did that honestly, thanks man, Thanks, I dug it. No.
I like that a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Was there anything that you feel like you learned about
Fella during this process, Like anything that you're like, oh,
like I never looked at it this way, or just
something completely new that you're like, had no idea that
he did this.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
When we were writing it.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
One of the things Fella always said was that he
doesn't saying love songs, right, and the tons of interviews
with Fella was like, well, love songs are stupid, and
you know, I think it was Connor and I were
talking about, you know, you're writing the book, You're you're
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going back and forth philosophically, and then we're like, wait
a minute, these songs love songs, right, These songs love
songs for Nigerians, for Africans and people who are disenfranchised.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Right, because.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You know, no one else was put in their bodies
and their and their voice on the line like that,
you know, for Nigeria. We had never seen anything before
or after.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Remember, Fella was a a son of an elite family, right.
You know, his mom was a savagist, you know, and
she was really important in Nigerian history, so he didn't have.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
To do this.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
He could, he could have right and for so, who
is the son of an elite come up like that
and put his body on the line.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
It's so rare, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
And and you know what he sang about was what
people were really really experiencing, you know, like deeply experiencing.
I don't know how else to explain that there were
love songs, you know. So I think that was one
of the things we realized.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
You know. The second piece is I didn't realize how
close Fellow was to his mother.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
That that's something I noticed. I didn't actually know a
lot about his mother, so that was like everything by
his mom is totally new for me, and I was like, oh,
his mom is cool.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, I was like, it makes a.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Little more sense now, like his rebellion is a little
weird in a sense because his mom was so cool.
But I have to stateent that, like, you're gonna rebel
no matter what your parents do, you know, So sometimes
it's your parents are like pieces of ship, a little rebelled,
and then you know, but you're gonna rebel no matter
what your parents do. So that was that was cool
to see. But then how close he was with his mom,
(30:11):
I'm really close with my mom as well, and his
mom kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Like support throughout whatever he was doing.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, because it feels like that things would have been
different without that, you know what I mean, Like because
there are times when, even when he was a struggling
musician that you know, his mom or a mom would
be kind of like scolding him or saying like, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Get it together. And his mom was always kind of
in his corner.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So yeah, I mean she was living.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
So that that was I didn't know any any of that,
but I think that's like kind of like a big
part of his story.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And I wish we had spent
more time cultivating and showing that story. You know, how
the relationship evolved over time. Facts, right, because the first
time we introduced his mom, his mom is kicking nice.
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You know, like if if you're of African or Caribbean
and everything, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know, that's like what page three three.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Like, whoa, Okay, let me tell you about my mother.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
He's like, kick, kick my ass, kicked the ass of
a king Gala, kick the ass.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
That was crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
So oh and and then the next time you say
the mom she's really protective, she's she's nurturing, and you
missed that gap, Like how did it?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
You know?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
But that would add another what ten twenty pages at least, right,
so we couldn't we couldn't get there.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
But those are the two things that I would say
I learned, you know.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
The other thing that I really thought was interesting was
one of his bandmates, JK, kind of his influence all
over this thing, and and kind of the musical part
of this because something about Fella I've always thought, and
again this is for me not knowing that much about him,
is how does his legacy change if he's not a musician,
(32:09):
because he comes from this background. He had all these
strong ideas and music was kind of his vehicle, you know,
and I think, like, let's say he comes out in
twenty ten, he probably leaves his music altogether, and it's
just like a Rihanna or a jay Z and it's
just you know, speaking out differently. So seeing all the
(32:32):
stuff about his musical background or upbringing was so interesting
because I feel like he had he just wanted to
be a star, you know, and like that. And it
was like, also he did love the music, but there
was more of this like I want to be a
star quality more than anything. Talk about that. Is that
you feel like that that's like true? Or am I
misreading Land?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I think that that that's pretty pretty true. Like even
when we introduce Bella, you know, as a little boy,
you know, we're like, you know, I want I want
the world to know my name, right, you know, So
there was if you look at the cover of the book,
you know, Fella's name is huge, right, because he also
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likes his name pretty big, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
So so so there's that element.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But I think that some of the parallels that were
a bit more subtle, we're stronger for me. So as
a little kid, he wanted to be Simon Templar, which
the Saint, which is kind of like a guy that
helped people. And then he became more like a Malcolm
(33:38):
X kind of character. And you could see you can
see both, right, you can see both in the way
he took care of people fell out was extremely generous,
is what people said about him, and we try to
show that in the book. And he I think he
had extreme empathy, right because he was like, Hey, I'm
(34:01):
I'm gonna put my body on the line for what
I believe in right, and and uh.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Yeah, I think those.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Uh those strains or those qualities I would say, are
more we're stronger than I want to be a star.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Right.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
And then when he started to when he decided to
run for president, I feel that he was just like,
I'm you know, nobody else is going to do this,
so I'm gonna do it. There's something we didn't put
in the book. He had actually wanted his one of
his friends to run, who was a lawyer, right, And
(34:42):
he went and met with his friend and was like
talking about, hey, maybe we should I think guys still
live so I can't say his name, you know, so hey,
maybe we should we should do this, and and the
guy was like, oh, yeah, sure absolutely.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I'm he was already famous because he was represented fella
as a lawyer.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
But then.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
He had said some things that were really uh bougie,
and he was like, oh, I would never send my
kids to this place.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
And I felt I was like, I don't know, and
maybe not this guy.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
So it was like I don't know who else would
do it, so I'll do it right, you know. So anyway,
so that's what I think, right, Like, the selflessness was
stronger than wanting to be a star.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, I think he always had that in him. It
seems like that that part of him was always there,
And I think that that's the thing is like the
world is obviously different now was a crazy place, but
the notoriety around those qualities and those kinds of people
is different.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Now.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
We don't have a Malcolm X type of figure. We
have celebrities who are more in media who may have
Malcolm X type of qualities, but we don't have that,
Like the world is not the same. In telling someone
the other day, Martin Luther King was so famous he
had comic books about him, you know, And I was like,
think about, like who gets comic books now, it's like
(36:10):
the superstar athlete, the A list actor. There's no like
pastor from the South. Who's gonna like the books about them?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
And when I when I read this, it was years
before that, I have a dream speech. So it's like,
think about how pop and he must have been, you know,
in that lane, Like that doesn't exist anymore. So I
think even that is so different in like the AIRFLA
came up in where it's like the world had more
of an appetite for that kind of person who it's
(36:38):
like you you're just here to help, and that's like
now it's like if you're you're that kind of person
here to help, Like you're not getting verified on Twitter,
You're not you know, there's not.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
There for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
I really really think this is something that like everyone
should read, and I'm happy that you guys did it
in this format, Like I think it really really makes
it like such a easy read, like such an enjoyable read,
because there's stuff in this story that's not like fun
to read, you know what I mean. And I feel
like you guys have that balance of having like some
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of the lighter moments and the heavier moments, and even
the moments that are like not even heavy, doesn't important
not have them be solemn? Was there any conversations around
the tone in in this lot?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
A lot? So?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
You know, my reference point is always fell on Broadway?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Again, it was such a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Broadway uh Bi play, But I felt Fella was a
little bit sanitized, and there was reasons for it because
they were trying to appeal to a broad mind, Yes, right,
And I was like, can you unsanitized Fella but still
try to you know, appeal to a broad audience where
(37:59):
it's like, you know, you know, you cod and it's
giving me.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
You give me this straight dope, you.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Know, and don't cut it, don't cut it.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Just just give it to me, you know, tell me
the truth and treat me like an adult. Right.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And but it's still you know, it's it's still enjoyable,
and you know, it's not offensive, and you're you know,
you know, one of and the way we try to
and I have a question for you after this, actually
the way we tried to ground before the reader was
(38:32):
JK was that companion, which is you? Right, You're JK
in the story walking with fella, you know, and at
some point you're just like, I.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Don't know if I can do this anymore, bro, you know,
like this is this is heavy.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I liked the thing between I'll get to your question.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I like giving him and JK because I feel like
I have a friend who's my JK and I'm more
the fella, so I kind of related to their dynamic
in a sense.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Right, Yeah, And my question is that that what did
you feel about j Because JK is one of my
favorite characters in the book, right, Sandra is my favorite,
but obviously, Yeah, But but JK is one of my
second favorite.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
I really liked it just because again, like I have,
I feel like I have a JK in my own life, right,
and I feel like a JK is necessary because in
a sense, it's like Fellas never going to lose his core,
you know, but the JK and his life helps him expand.
And I think what's so beautiful about the two of
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them is they almost.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Like let each other be like themselves themselves, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
And there's that scene I think it's at the beginning
where they with a P on the sign and it's
like JK just starts it says joined me, you know,
and it's like that's such a small thing, but that's
the idea of like I'm going to do it because
this is how I do things. I want you to
join me, but I'm not gonna wait for you to
join me to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
And I think I know you're gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
It's like, but you know, I see you come over
here in a second. So JK was one of my
favorites too, because I just feel like he was so
such a necessary part of the story, and as well,
it's like it's kind of was like the cool version
of being down for the cause, you know, like like
like he wasn't gonna go all the way there and
be the guy who like dresses different or like he's like,
(40:26):
I'm still gonna be cool, but I'm with you guys
right right right.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
It's almost like you write or die almost like hey man,
I wish you all the way too. And then you know,
I remember one of these things in boarding school that
I developed for myself where I was like, Okay, all
my friends that's saying, dide, you're doing this thing. You know.
(40:51):
Then that means there's I'm doing the thing, you know,
and it's a criticism, then that's that's real.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
If one person says it, yeah whatever, two people, but
all my homies they're like saying it does something there, right.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
So I wanted to create We wanted to create that
that essence where Jake is that guy was like I'm
with you all the way and then you're just like
hey man.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Please please, you know, down back and not.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
You know, I think the only thing I could compare
it to is kind of like shout out to like Kanye,
where we were rude with Kanye.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can't.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Take it all the way together, you know. You know,
so that was kind of like the same sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
No, I like to think.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I think it's it's necessary and you got to show
such a human inside of him. That's why reading this
I really wanted to think about like a Fellow film,
because I'm like, these people are people, yes, and it's
like kind of them want to the fear, but the
bravery and what they're doing on once you become famous,
(42:04):
it's almost like we take the braver away from what
they're doing, and that makes any sense of like this
is just what they do. It doesn't seem as brave.
It's kind of like when someone's a big star, you know.
Kevin Hart always says it about what he does. He says,
I make it look so easy because I've done it
ten times. But it was never easy any of the times.
But I made it look so easy you take it
for granted. And I feel like with someone like Fella,
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it's a much of the same. Where can you imagine
a thousand soldiers coming to your front door? You know,
like in here You're like and you're like, he must
be accustomed to that or he knew what was coming
it's like he's a person.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Yeah, and he's also scared too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
So I think like that part is my is what
I'll take away from this book. A lot is like
him as a human where it's like even beating Sandra,
the kind of self reflection of like, oh I'm actually
not as good as I think I am. I'm not
doing the thing I think I'm supposed to be doing.
So it's like those human things I think are something
(43:03):
we can all take from. We're not all going to
be fellow, we're not all gonna, you know, change the
world in that way, but just to kind of look
at yourself as a person, to be able to grow, evolve,
change and learn about yourself, Like those are the things
in him where it manifested in this you know, huge
huge impact, right, But it's like that's those that's a
(43:23):
human experience, Like no one is about the human experience.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
So yeah, no, I love that.
Speaker 3 (43:28):
We're Gonnet some silly questions now, Okay, we've gotten serious. Okay,
before we get to silly questions, make sure you preorder
the book October sixteenth, make sure you're there for the
book launch listen. I will be there, so if you
want to at least see me, come for me at least.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
So when people get one hundred million dollars, they always
they always get an animal. I don't know why this happens,
It's just the rules, Okay. Michael Jackson with his monkey,
Mike Tyson with his tiger, Justin Bieber with his monkey.
So when you get to one hundred million dollars, is
there an animal that you want to bring into your life?
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Man, that's a that's a that's a heavy one. A
couple of animals come to mind.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Okay, but well you can afford it. You got a
HUNDREDI dollars.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I got one hundred million dollars. Man, I think I'll
go with an elephant.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Bro Elephant Okay, okay, Elephant feels like a popular answer
we're getting nowadays for real. Yeah, I elephant is vibes,
I guess.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
Yeah, elephant vibes the elephant, you know. I think because
elephants are just.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
So grand and there was a gentle too, you know,
but you don't want to mess with them because you know.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
So why I like elephant? Maybe my favorite answers is
because elephant is calm energy. It's like you don't want
an animal in your orbit that's going to have you
on edge, you know what I mean, Like you can't,
like you can't just be calm because you have this
animal around, and so we gotta be you gotta be.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Here, you know.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
An elephant should be that, but because they're so calm,
it's like we all got to be calm, bro, Like,
you can't act up around this elephant.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
So yeah, I like that one.
Speaker 4 (45:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I think that's what's cool about elephants because they're like, dude,
I'm actually the real king of the job.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Yes, but I'm not. I don't. I don't have good prs.
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
I'm not gonna throw ship at anybody.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Don't mess with me, all right?
Speaker 3 (45:20):
You know, Well the animals did you have? You said
you had a couple. You said elephant, What are that?
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Okay? So I had I had elephant.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
The other one that came to my mind was I
thought of at some reason with the tiger, with the
white tiger.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
And then I was like, but elephant.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
I don't know, no, no, the why why do I
want a tiger? I actually don't know. I was just like,
I don't know. You got one hundred million.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Tiger see and maybe this is this is my foolish,
foolish upbringing. I spent a lot of time in Jamaica
when I was younger, and in Jamaica obviously is very
different vibe. It's not the way people here. What the
dogs got on a whole North faced jacket and supreme shoes.
We don't do that in Jamaica. The cats stay outside,
the dogs are on the streets. So I've always so
(46:11):
I've always been like, these animals are still animals. Like
we can domesticate them all we want, They're still animals.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I don't want to add an animal that brings that
energy to me because I love dogs and I love cats,
but anything that's an animal that I'm gonna bring in
my life and be like, you know what, you're still
an animal, Like I'm not gonna forget that.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
I don't trust you like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
So that's kind of my measure of like a tiger,
I'm never going to forget.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
You'll never just be a cat to me, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
I don't know if the animal will live in my house, bro,
like the tiger will.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
True, you got dollars, you got the whole state.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
I'm like, hey, you stay over there, I stay over here,
But everybody knows I've got at.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
The one.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Maybe I got to find a way to add this
to this question. I've been rewatching some of the old
Jurassic parks. What there's some of those movies where they
have them like be as pets. Cool idea.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
I don't know if that's a real thing that could
really work, like.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
You mean like like dis Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, they in some of the films they have them
as pets and they're like a walking around.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I don't think that's.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Really due to them, Like why did they how did
they make them domesticated?
Speaker 3 (47:22):
I think they just kind of grow them, like they're
berths into that environment.
Speaker 4 (47:27):
Yeah, but they're instinct.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I know exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (47:31):
I think maybe they did something with those animals.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, like some dude or some kind of drug. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
I remember this, uh one time in Nigeria where this
guy had a yena, right, and he will walk down
the street.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
And this was like a leash or just and and
this was.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
A an upscale part of town, right, and this dude
would just walk down and everybody's who's this do with that?
You know, like you know, and it came out of nowhere.
I don't even know what happened to dude.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
After we know what happened.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
We know what happened happened.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
We can do the math, but there was just a
moment in time we're like, do you know did you
see that guy with that?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
You?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, because this was before social media, you know,
so everyone saw it.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
You had to say because you can't even share.
Speaker 4 (48:25):
Yeah, it's it's signings, right, You're like, dude, I saw him,
you know.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
You know, I don't know those people worry me who
are like they have to be around the animals who
are like that, Like, yeah, yeah, those people are definitely
worried someome. Yeah, so I like that elephant. Listen and
the comments. Let us know, is there an animal that
you guys would choose? It's elephant a good answer. Also,
what animal do you think Fellow would choose? That's what
(48:50):
I want to in the comments. Let us know you
comment on Spotify now, comment on YouTube? Is do we
have some kind of direction for what we think Fellow
would choose?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
So actually had two dogs and a donkey?
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Oh yes, all right, I forget the name of donkey,
I can find out, but I forget the name.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
And I think one of the dogs is called Rambos
eighties and then the other dog was called.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Called in Yubai's Woko law, right, which is it's offensive.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
So can I see it's like go look.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
For a dick, so that that dog was not his
favorite so favorite dog and.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Then yeah, but yeah, so that was that was a
funny thing.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, So so he's a dog guy. Okay, he's a
dog dog donkey.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
All right, we have some some places to lead, so
in the comments, let us know what do you think
Fella's animal would be?
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Animal. We've reached the end of the podcast. I don't
think everyone for joining us making it to the end
of this show. Listen watching. But before we go, we
have the second on the radio show call Wednesday Wisdom.
Look for motivational quote or saying either you remind yourself
of or the people around you. So what's that quote
for you?
Speaker 4 (50:14):
Artists use lies to tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
Wow, that's a bar. That's a bar. Artists use lies
to tell the truth. That's a good one. That's a
good one.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
I think that's like, you can't you can't really beat
that that's that's like as true as it gets and
as well, Like I think about that with a lot
of my friends who are artists, and it's like you're
almost you are a poet, but you're you're a poet
in a way where whatever is true to you.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Is almost irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, you know, it's whatever you're making the person feel
that's important.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
So I like that artist use lies to tell the truth.
Let's see where you're at with the ice cream. How
far do we go?
Speaker 4 (50:54):
I didn't get that far. I would say a quarter.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
Let's let's show that the camera right here. I think
you may you made it decently far? Okay, okay, not bad,
not bad.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
You know, not bad.
Speaker 4 (51:03):
Edit it okay. Has anyone ever finished?
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yes, we've definitely people finished for sure, but they're like
true demons. Like in the second I start talking, it's
just going.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
So funny thing is that I'm actually not I don't
have a lot of sweets.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
So if I take this home, my wife is going
to destroy this. I know it's not going to be there.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
Perfect perfect when we used to so before we were
working with EVAs, Eva's the iceboat sponsor for all the
season three before we EVAs, we were just grabbing from
the grocery store, so by the studio wherever grocery store
was grab ice cream whatever, and it was like the
big like Chapman's Briars. So obviously no one could finish that.
So we had people like bring it around with them
(51:47):
and like walking the street with them, like give it
to a homeless person. Someone brought it to work. We
had someone who had their bandmates finish it. So this
ice cream has been it's communal ice cream. Okay, okay,
always communal ice cream, and.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
You have the for an ice cream every season, I guess.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Well for the past two seams has been EVAs and
everyone cannot choose their own flavor.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Gotcha?
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Gotcha?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah, thank you again for joining us man, this is
This has been a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (52:11):
Yeah, this was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I really appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
You guys, preorder of the book please, and thank you.
Fellow Music is the Weapon. The book launch October sixteenth.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
I will be there if you want to come and
just see me. But of course it's going to be
a great night. I'm excited. This event sounds like it's
going to be absolutely fun. We love a non boring
book launch because when people hear book launch, they're like, oh,
you're going to read to me?
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (52:36):
Yeah, I know because I've been to a couple yeah,
and I was like, no, we're not doing no, we can't.
Speaker 4 (52:41):
Then when I talk to Dings like we're not doing.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
That, yeah, party, and I was like yeah, yeh yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
And it's it's it's Fella's birthday is actually October fifteenth.
Oh wow, this is happening a day after Fella's birthday, right,
so right on time, celebration.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
Right on time, you know. I like that this is
a book launch is a celebration. Yeah. Subscribe to us
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Speaker 1 (53:09):
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