Amazon Debut: Good Broadcast, Good Coke 600

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark, George and.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time smoking like hell now coming down, don't know anything
and welcome everyone to in the draft with Wilson and
was I'm Willson here in sunny southern California.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Meanwhile right across the internet from me at our beautiful
studio by the Bay, Version two point zero. It is well,
mister Scotti, was what's happening in there?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Was?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Man? I am I'm baffled by a lot of things.
I really smart, man. Why are we having a Sunday
race on a non holiday Monday this week?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Uh, we're having a Sunday night race on a non holiday.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Yeah, the race start till seven o'clock on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I think that the TV networks thin. Ohthough it's Amazon Prime,
so yeah. I think that NASCAR generally thinks this is
the best idea when it comes to like viewership, which
is crazy because they weren't doing this. They weren't like

(01:06):
having these Sunday night races back in the day when
viewership was through the roof. And I don't know, they're
just locked in on this thing where it's all about
the broadcast partners. They kind of get to pick the
start times, and maybe Amazon thinks this is best for them.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I don't know, willn't make a damn bit of sense.
I think this is the same bugget But we've had
all the time with Nashville. It's not a short race,
like I think the shortest race was three hours.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
It's like you're going to at least I mean, it
says it's going to cover starts at seven green flag
won't dropped to like seven twenty and then so you're
you're there till almost eleven o'clock at night.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
That is stupid. It's stupid for a like not really
a special race. Sorry, Dashville, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yeah, I mean you're asking fans that potentially are gonna
want to come to either take Monday off, costing them
more money to come to the race, or else just
simply be local.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah exactly, maybe local is enough.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
I mean we'll find out.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, we'll say we haven't had a big parade about
them being sold out, but there was a big parade
about them being sold out this week at the Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Did they say they were sold out? Because I thought
the crowd was good, but I didn't think it was
sold out.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
They said it was sold out. Baby all tickets have
been sold, but not necessarily all people at the end
of the event.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Yeah, and there again, like if I have a room
that can see like five thousand people and I only
sell five hundred tickets, Like if I say I'm only
allowing five hundred tickets to be sold, I've sold out
once I reached five hundred tickets, but the place is
still empty. You know. I did notice because I was

(02:43):
trying to keep an eye on the crowd because it
was decent, but I wanted to kind of pick up
on how decent it was. What they've done there at
Charlotte is there are sections of the grand stand that
are like the old School, everybody like crammed in next
to each other. But then they are these sections of
the grand stand. I don't know if they're calling them
like box seats or something, but there's massive amounts of

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room in front of and behind each of those rows,
and it looks like they might have like a little
table or something there. I don't know. There are huge
sections every other section that have tons of room in
front of and behind the bleachers or seats or whatever
they're selling, and so they clearly have taken out seats

(03:28):
even in the existing grand stand let alone taking grandstands out,
which I believe they've done in the past.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
There. Oh yeah, no, they have, definitely. I mean a
lot of the tracks did after that big boom. Yeah.
But you know what, whatever the crowd was, they saw
a decent race.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
They did and oh my gosh, what I loved about
this race, which unfortunately probably nobody saw because it was
the Amazon Prime And so you're gonna lose all of
your network TV people plus all of your cable TV people,
and you have to hope that the core fan base
buys into Amazon Prime. I don't know how many of
them do. But one week, just one week after that

(04:07):
stupid BS gimmicky All Star race where they were setting
up for what could have been a fantastic finish there
with Christopher Bell trying to chase down the lead, and
then they threw the stupid caution and then yeah, Bell
wins anyway, but it feels very manufactured. One week later,
we come back to Charlotte for the Cooke six hundred

(04:29):
here and we've got almost the same situation. We've got
a car that's closing, We've got William Byron and Denny
Hamlin who have been up there at the front the
entire time, and Ross Chastain is closing, closing, closing, He
passes Hammelin. Hamlin runs out of guess, so he's not
going to be a factor, and they're like sixteen laps
to go, and like I mean, it was just a

(04:54):
chess match at that point where Chestain would make up
a couple of tents, but then he'd lose a tenth,
make up a couple of tents, but then he lose it.
Ten guys were like digging down low up high on
the fence, trying to find that perfect place to run in,
that perfect place to get momentum and to break up,
you know, the draft of the other driver. It comes
down to it. Chestain makes a great move, pulls off

(05:16):
the slide job and it proves that you don't need gimmicks,
you don't need BS cautions. Right. We saw a driver
on paper dominate in William Byron, but Denny Hamlin was
keeping him in honest and so that made things interesting.
And then chesstay and who was good all day but
just picking up his pace and he actually said he
made a mistake when he pitted. He wanted to pit earlier.

(05:40):
It was good that he waited two laps after the
leaders to pit because it gave him just enough extra
tire to be able to make it to the end.
And it felt that portion of it felt like an
old school race. It really felt like the racing before
we had stages and stupid resets and every gimmick in
the book to try to create a Game seven moment.

(06:01):
And guess what, the fricking race went green to the
end from the last restart, actually before the last three. Yeah,
from the last three. So when greens at the end
with a green flag pit stop and none of that
BS was necessary to give us an excellent finish.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, I mean it was one of those things that
was just natural progression and NASCAR is not going to
learn from it. But I mean, you look, you look
at what happened. It was like even through the field,
it was a good race. I mean Chastine started less,
Yeah he did. He got his all his ass all
the way up there. I mean, it was just strat
it was. It was a it was a mix of
strategy and and who had the most power, who had

(06:38):
this fastest car, and just who pitted at the right times.
It was it was a nice little mixture of everything.
It was a melting pot of everything you wanted a
NASCAR race, not just oh we got up on the
right pit cycle, oh we got you know, this guy
was checked out. I mean how Kyle Larson was checked
out by nine seconds before he wrecked himself.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah, that was another thing too. It was just guys
just when they were going over three and four, just
those bumps there were just praying havoc and guys were
just wrecking left, right and center in the early going.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah yeah, And and that, that and the finish both
really showed how driver's skill came into this. Now, the
race was too long, I mean it's always too long,
All of them are too long, but especially the Coke
six hundred, But at least with the condition of the
track in three and four, I think it kind of
amplified the length of the race and made it even

(07:26):
harder for these drivers, And so you appreciate it even
more what William Byron was able to do with the front,
what Hamler was able to do before he ran out
of gas, and most importantly, what Chasten was able to do,
you know, fighting his way to the front and not
getting none of them getting tripped up six hundred laps
or six hundred miles in by this portion of the
track that was taking out guys left and right all night.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I mean it was it was a hell. It
was a hell of as show. And you know what,
props to Amazon for actually following most of the the
I mean they were very Kyle Heavy Larson and Steve
Latart couldn't get off of Carson Josvar's job.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
No, man, he it is Solvar to somehow win this
thing so badly.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Well, yeah, I mean, is he still a consultant with Spire?
He leaves that because I think he was at one time,
but I don't know if he's still there.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure I can.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
But even so, I mean they were they were checking
through the racing all throughout the field. And that's something
that we didn't get with Fox. Now how long that
will last?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Who knows, Well, they only have five races to do it,
so yeah, I would think that, remember four races not
to goof it up. Yeah, And and it's clear that
Amazon was trying and that was one of the main
one of the main things that I noticed as well,
is you know, they took that Richard Petty comment to
heart and they were like, hey, let's try to do

(08:45):
something with this. And it's not a major change and
it doesn't take away from what's happening at the front
at all. I mean, it's just it. It's a no
brainer to go back and look at some other drivers
and give them the love. Let them see the paint schemes.
That freaking popsicle car looked amazing under the.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Lights, by the way, yeah it did.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
That was a really good looking car. And uh. And
then now I didn't watch the seven hours or whatever.
It was a pre race. They went a little nuts
on the pre.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Just because you have the band to do it doesn't
mean I know.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
But I will say this, we might as well just
talk about the broadcast now. The one thing I really enjoyed,
and this is I think part of what I like
about the Amazon football coverage that I just didn't know
how to put my finger on. But when they've got
the table there with I agree with you. The host

(09:45):
was very hot and cold in terms of her presentation.
It went from like super cheesy to natural the super
cheesy and uh and Carl Edwards supernatural enthusiastic. That is
like that's like the Ryan Fitzpatrick of of that NASCAR

(10:05):
broadcast team, because that's what that's what he brings to
the table for the NFL broadcast. Is he just kind
of laid back. He just doesn't care. He just wants
to talk about football. Carl just wanted to talk about
racing and that was great.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
And then Corey Loha with the frizing just and the
other the other two were just making hay.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
They're making hey, oh my gosh. I was like, dude,
you said that ten times.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
That verbal crutch and what a verbal crutch that is.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And then everybody has us listen. It's not that it's
not it's not to get down on him, right, everybody
has those, but it's just when you get to that level,
when you're like doing a national television broadcast, usually you've
worked those out by that point.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Or well, not not even not even that. It's the
phrase that he uses like, it's not like, it's not
like and all of that and and and such. He's
like making hay like that is such a not only
arcade term, but something that you're gonna spot every single
time you say it. I mean, you can get away
with you and it's going like and things like that,
and things like that. Right, but when you're saying making

(11:04):
hang everything, he say.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Exactly hold on. It definitely sticks out like a sore thub.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Lettart, by the way, is still a consultant for Spire,
so that that helps explain that. But but the thing
that I thought was great is that they were relatively
laid back on the pre and post race panel. But
then they brought drivers up. They brought William Byron up
after that, like demoralizing loss. Right, you're not sure if

(11:31):
you're gonna be able to hang on, you can't hang on.
They bring them up there and they sit him down.
They have a real conversation about racing with him. That's
what they do in the NFL broadcast, like right after
the game is over. They usually don't grab somebody from
the losing team, but they bring somebody over and they
sit him down and they talk about football, right, And
that's exactly what they did here. And I was like, man,
that is what Fox and NBC just don't do anymore.

(11:54):
They don't grab guys after the race. Usually after the
race is over, they're like, oh hey, Russ Chest team one,
see you bye, we got this rerun of you know,
some sitcom coming up, and it's just kind of I know,
when they just bail from it, and so you don't
get like it's just so jarring, it's just over and

(12:14):
you're like, hey, I just saw a great race. I
want to hear about it, and you don't hear about it,
and it takes that, like you need some of that
to kind of coast you down from the race and
make you think, hey, that was really fun. And listening
to them talking. I mean, how many times have you
had a conversation with somebody about like a movie you
saw or a place you went, and as you're having

(12:36):
that conversation, you're like, man, that really was even more
fun than I thought it was or more interesting than
I thought it was. And so you don't get that
on these network broadcasts anymore. So for them to give
that to you it makes you think, oh, yeah, that
that really was interesting. I was really exciting there at
the end. I want to come back next week and
see if it's like that, you know, in the next race.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Well, it's also what downsizing your networks do. I mean,
you know, there's no NBC, s N anymore to push to.
There's no I mean Fox Sports one is what it is.
I mean, they gotta get more and more was a
bay Lists in there and the other and the other
nick right, you gotta get those guys on there a
constantly talking about Lebron So no time for NASCAR post race.
But I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's it's that

(13:18):
kind of thing that now that I think has been missing,
and we talk about reinventing the wheel when it comes
to broadcasts, and it's that kind of stuff that's gonna
keep keep people tuned in. And it's not so much
you know, having people tune in and stay there. It's
you know, it's having them stay for the post race,
and it's training them to stay for a post race
because you're going to see this because you're right. Network TV.

(13:39):
It's you know, they just go through like the top
five or you know, or a top guy who had
a rough day and then move on to the talking
heads and then talking heads do get you to the
top of the hour.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
But with this and the almost unlimited amount of time
you have with with Amazon and the fact that you
can go back and rewatch it, and I think that
that's the rewatchability instantaneously helps out a lot too, is
that you can go back if you did miss it,
or you're like, hey, it's eleven o'clock and they just
finished the race. I got to wake up in the
morning for work. I'll watch this tomorrow to have that

(14:13):
and to know, like, hey, we're gonna hear the winner,
We're gonna hear the guys, second place, third place, whatever,
whoever had the inspirational story or just whomever. Just talk
about the race and talk about how it was and
get in depth. And I think that that's gonna give
people more of an insigne access to the drivers and
inside access to the sport than any mockumentary that they
put on there and produced by themselves whatever do.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, and man, there was something else I was thinking
of while you were talking, and I can't remember what
it was when it comes to that broadcast. But it's
also nice to be able to have everything in one place.
And I think that might have been the beginning of
where things went wrong from the broadcast TV side when

(14:57):
they started splitting those networks up. Is that even when
the race was on Fox, or even when the race
was on NBC, then as soon as the race was over,
they will be like, okay, well, if you want to
get the end depth analysis, you're gonna have to switch channels.
You have to switch f S one, you have to
switch N NBCSN And like the majority of people don't

(15:19):
want to do that, like they got to figure out
who the channel is. They gonna type it in or
go through the scroll through their guide, and if you
have something else to do, you're just gonna be more
inclined to just go do it, you know. And here
it's like there was no delineation. It wasn't like, Okay,
the race is over, we're gonna start the post race show.
It's like, hey, the race is over, and then we're
gonna go over here to the table and Carl and

(15:41):
Cory're gonna talk about something. We're gonna go over to
the reporter on the track and he's gonna talk to Ross,
and then we're gonna come back over here and Chad
a little bit, and hey, guys, you know, William Byron
is about to come by, and then they go do
another interview and then Byron comes by and you're like,
oh shit, we're in the post race show.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right, it's a natural cool down.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, exactly. It's like you don't have to go hunt
for anything. They don't. They don't like make a big
deal about it. They just do it like it's just
part of the event, as opposed to, Okay, the event
is over, and now we're starting the post race show,
which again gives you that feeling that it's done, so
go do something else, right, And so, I don't know.

(16:20):
I'm trying to think if they did that, when they
wouldn't break away to a different network. I think that
on network TV they would do that. They would have
like a logo that came up in it would be
like the NASCAR Post race Show sponsored by somebody or
other like that. But that's kind of I think the
natural progression. It'll be interesting to see if they do
that on TNT as well, if they just kind of

(16:43):
morph right into the post race discussion without worrying about
making a big deal about it and telling people the
race is over. Because, like from a marketing perspective, if
you tell somebody it's over, their natural responses get up
and leave. You know it's done. There's something else to see.
But if you just go into the next part now

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that it's bonus time, like every minute they're watching is
a minute. You probably would have lost them if you
had told them that the race is over. It's done,
there's nothing more to see here.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
And it goes back to my shot about just because
you have the streaming capabilities in bandwidth doesn't mean you should.
But the fact that they do have that and you
don't have to go to a commercial break that you
can just flow things through throughout the whole thing. That
helps too, because you're not quick cutting like oh we
got the winter speed, but now we got to go
to break before we get to everybody else. It's like, well,
going to break, I'm going home. I'll see you guys.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah exactly exactly. There's not that definitive like ending. It
just kind of continues. And that's what they do in
the NFL broadcast too, like there's no definitive ending. It
just kind of goes into like the post game stuff,
and then they tease, hey, somebody's coming up. Then they
go to commercial and you're like, well, I see what
they're gonna say. Like especially William Byron losing that race,

(17:56):
I was like, hell, yeah, I'm gonna sit through whatever
they're gonna show me because I want to hear exactly
what Byron had to say about that battle at the end.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, and then what all he did to lost lose
it and how much how bad he feels.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, yeah, And I thought, for a second I thought
he might be like, yeah, it was pretty rough with
the slide job. That was kind of a crappy, crappy move,
but it's not a crappy move. And he didn't say
it was. He was like, hey man, this wasn't a
He didn't directly say it wasn't about the slide job.
He was like, my car was already going. I was
already struggling with it. I was already getting tight in
the corners. It was already hard to hold him off,

(18:31):
and then he made the move and there's nothing I
could do about it. So kudos to Byron for not
like trying to throw shade at Ross Chestain, which is
super easy to do with a driver like Ross Chestain.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Absolutely for sure. Yeah, not that hard to do.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, but it was it was a good move. It
was a good move the chestaing put on there. I mean,
it was pretty hairy, like you didn't know if he
was gonna be able to hold onto that car or
if it was going to go up in the wall
or if they were going to make contact. I mean,
that was a lot of respect shown by William Byron
to you know, pedal that thing out and not get
into the back of the one car. And it wouldn't

(19:06):
have It wouldn't have done him any good because that
if he'd gotten into the one car where where he
slid up in front of the twenty four, he would
have just like he would have hooked him into the
wall and that would have taken out Byron too. So
you know, might as well finished second if you're not
going to win, instead of being in the garage.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
You get those sixty five points because he slept every
day exactly exactly, get those three playoff points with it.
But you know what, it was good. It was a
good day for for for chest Day, good day for Byron,
great day for Almond Dinger, Yeah, great, great day for
Noah Gregson.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yep, Bryan pre I think was in the top ten there.
I don't have him from YEP.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Priest had ninth place finish there, Michael McDowell with a
seventh place finish. Yeah, and that when Dinger had fourth place.
Gregson had a top ten. John Heran and Neema Chak
was running well and then he dropped back. Johnny Nemachak
got a lot of name calls in the middle of that,
and then just fade it. So I think he got
a penalty in pit road. He I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
There were two drivers that did late and he may
have been one of them.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, yeah, so, I mean, and then tough break for
Ty Gibbs, who was sliding all over the place, and
that was my you know, my pick and whoopsie poopsy
on that one. It started off great police just you know,
qualified seventh, but then uh poo pooh. But you know,
a lot a lot of good tracking all the way
through from everybody in Amazon. And I think that was huge,

(20:31):
a great debut for them, and a good race to
have for their debut race. I'll be Although it was
four and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Long, I know, it just split on for so freaking
long it's insane. And they're like, oh, we're at the
halfway point. I'm like, are you kidding me, We're only
halfway done.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
We're halfway done it. It's been blown for two and
a half.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Hours exactly, exactly. Oh man, But no, I'm optimistic about
the Amazon Prime coverage. I'll be interested to see what
happens this week at Nashville. And yeah, I think. And
we're recording the show pretty early, so we don't have
the results of the of the Jeff Cluck pull out yet.
You oh, we do, okay. I would imagine that.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
The nurders thirty thirty six thousand, three d and twenty
four people voted, Wow already, man, and we're only on
the twesdays only. It's only a twenty four hour vote.
Oh okay, all right, all right, that's that's what the
Twitter lets you do. So thirty six thousand, three hundred
and twenty four votes were the final results.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
I imagine that. I mean, this number has got to
be pretty strong. And I would imagine the only people
who were really like voting it wasn't a good race
were like the Denny Hamlin and William Byron fans or
the people who just hate Ross Chastain, and there are
a couple of them. So I'm going to say eighty
six percent said it was a good race.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Coming in too low ninety point two okay, all right, no,
and I agree, Yeah, best race, best race of the
season so far. Obviously first to make it the ninety
plus percent out Club, which has thirty six races since
the start of the polls in twenty sixteen, for a
number four of seventeen Charlotte Oval races in the poll,

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all three completed six hundreds in the next Gen era
are ninety percent LUs Wow. Interesting. And then people were
mad last year about the shortened race and it went
twenty four percent, and then Ross Chasta and obviously it's
it's the number one of his six wins in the poll.
Obvious obvious reasons. But yeah, no, ninety percent. That makes

(22:36):
that tracks, that tracks very well.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, yeah, no. I would have figured it would have
been up around there. And obviously if I were voting
in the poll, I would have voted that it was
a good race because it was so standings, because he
almost won the race and more importantly, scored a gazillion points.
William Byron takes back the top spot from Kyle Larson
by twenty nine points. Christopher Bell is thirty seventy four,

(23:00):
Chase Elliott's fourth, Tyler Redick fifth. They are eighty four
and one hundred and seven points out. Tyler Reddick is
one hundred points back in fifth in the standings. Rest
of the top ten, Hamlin Blaney, Ross, Chastain, after the whim,
Logano and Bowman. When you look at the bottom in
the top sixteen, it's very interesting because once again all
of the race winners are in the top sixteen right now.

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Austin Sindric and Josh Berry are fifteenth and sixteenth. So
if the playoffs started today, Ryan Preece would be the
last driver in on points. He's in fourteenth right now,
but he's only thirteen ahead of aj Allmendinger, who's down
in seventeenth, and there are only ten more points that
are separating the Dinger and then Kyle Busch, Michael McDowell

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and John Hunter Nima Check and so if you take
that entire thing, there's only twenty three points from fourteenth
down to twenty. Then there's only a forty point span,
which is two thirds of a race between Easton House
Junior in thirteenth and Austin Dillon all the way down
to twenty fourth. So if we don't get very many

(24:08):
more winners, I mean, Chastain is our eighth winner right
now in thirteen races, and we're at the halfway point
of the regular season. So if it continues on like this,
there's nothing to talk about we'll have sixteen winners, right,
but I think we all know there probably won't be
sixteen winners. But if we if we don't get to
like fifteen for it, like maybe twelve winners and there

(24:29):
are four drivers coming in on points or maybe you know,
thirteen winners and three and on points, it could get
very very interesting if things stay this close down to
the wire.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh yeah, no, And I think this is the kind
of how things are supposed to set out, Like you're
supposed to have a lot of cars pace the field
and then we're supposed to shuffle it up. We're not
supposed to have sixteen winners. Yeah, I mean in theory,
it's not supposed to happen. So I mean the fact
that we're getting to the point, now what are we
add race? What race was that? I don't even know?
That was thirteen thirteen range? So yeah, thirteen ago.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yes, we're halfway there.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Halfway there, baby, and living on a prayer. So yeah,
I mean, you have your classes of the field, and
you're gonna have your guys who are going to be
fighting to get in and maybe one of them gets
to win. Maybe we get a funky road course win
but it's still it's a it's a good good time
for everybody involved. That's for damn sure. This is this
is this kind of makes the standings all worthwhile. Now
that not a lot of people are good.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Exactly, so I'm only yeah, everybody is so mediocre. I mean,
when you think about the drivers that are in that range,
that thirteenth through twenty fourth range, I think two things.
Number One, there are a lot of mediocre drivers out there,
and that's why they're all kind of in the middle.
And number two, if if the standings between thirteenth and

(25:54):
twenty fourth are that close halfway through the regular season
and they're so far away and I didn't talk about this,
but they're so far away from the guys up at
the top, do we really need sixteen drivers in the playoffs?
And this goes back to.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You never have Yeah, yeah, and I hate to cut
you off, but that's just a that's a that's an
obvious point, and like cut cut four drivers make the
regular season three races longer. Yeah, there's no reason to
have sixteen guys in the field. I mean, last year
I think was the outlier because we had so many
good drivers just crap out in that first round. But

(26:33):
at the same time, it's just like, we don't need
that kind of the kind of bloat in the playoffs.
I mean we are that's that's that's almost half the
charter drivers. Like why you? I mean the same case
is made for other playoffs, like why does the NBA
have like twenty teams of thirty teams in the playoffs
and including playing rounds and things like that. Like it
it boggles the mind why we have to have so many,

(26:55):
especially in a sport that's not necessarily a team sport.
Like you're seeing these guys race, regardless of it they're
in the playoffs or not. It's just another little gamming
that they have run for themselves. So why have all
that bloat? Is make it twelve drivers and just make
it into the final nine races or yeah, what was
it seven races? Yeah, and then there you go, you
have two cuts in a way.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You go, yeah, it's interesting and looking at those drivers
and I don't want to labor the point, but this
is thirteenth on down Right, Stenhouse Priest, Cindric Barry, Dinger,
Kyle Busch, Michael McDowell, John Henry Namachek, Carson Host, of
Artag Gilliland, Chris Busher and Austin Dillon, Tdge Gibbs. Right,
how is twenty fifth in the standings?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Like, now here's my question to you. You just name
the same driver from thirteenth on down. You name the
same driver driver.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. That was kind of that
was kind of where I was going. I was gonna
gonna say, but you nailed it even better than I could.
Is when you think about that list, is there anybody
that you're like, oh, man, I'm really hoping they're gonna
make it in the playoffs or you expect them to
make it in the playoffs? No, because you're right, they
are the same driver.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
It's crazy, the same driver with a different livery and
everybody like it's not the same, it's it's there's no
one that's different.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
When you look Michael mcdallan, John Hannimachak like it's just
or no, Freeze's fourteenth. So but still like the only
the only interesting situation is something we found out before
we went to record was Brad Kazlowski's thirty second.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I know, that's crazy. He's had such terrible luck
this year.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Just bunkers about that whole thing. But no, but yeah,
it's it's kind of a weird situation. But yeah, all
those drivers you name the same Effen driver.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, And I mean if we get down to the
final race and they're all as close as they are,
that part will be exciting to see who gets those
final few spots or those spots on points. But is
it going to be exciting that that particular driver is
the one that gets in? No? Not really, Like like

(29:02):
if if one point or two points decides who gets
in and who gets out, is there gonna be a
like a shift or a huge like story or a
headline that it was Michael McDowell that got in and
not Dinger or Carson Josvar that got in and now
John Hunter, Hunter Nimachek. No, nobody's really gonna care who.

(29:23):
All they care about is just that it's close, that
it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Yeah, that's all that mattered, And that's all it should
matter is make it, make it somewhat presentable, make it
something good, make it something spice that makes you want
to watch the X race.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
But as I'm looking at the sand exam, assume you
have them in front of you too, like there's a
it looks like there's a clear cutoff in stats and
points between Bubba Wallace and twelve and Ricky Stenthouse Junior
in thirteenth, Like like everybody from stent House on down
is behind by over two hundred points and William Byron
only has five hundred points. Right, so they are almost

(30:00):
is good, just a little bit better than half is good.
They're like, sixty percent is good. The sixty percent is good.
Guys shouldn't necessarily be in the playoffs. So I think
that twelve makes a heck of a lot more sense
than sixteen at this point.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, go back to the original, the original twelve. Yeah, hell,
just make it ten and then let them run for points,
and then the top four they don't even worry about,
Like it gets down to the and then the top
four race that final race, Like, don't even just have
your playoff team knocked off at ten races to go,
then you race straight through, no eliminations. Top ten guys
race straight through, and then the last race, the top

(30:35):
four race for the win.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
If we're so hard on for all that, just do
it that way.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah. Yeah, all right, let's move on to as we
kind of shift into the NASCAR news. The other big
story of the weekend, which turned out to be a
non story of the weekend Kyle Larson running the double
and it once again just didn't work.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Let me stop guys running the double.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I want to and it seems like it is gonna happen,
because after this one, Kyle didn't say that it was
stressing him out too much, but he did say that
running both races is logistically too difficult. Those were the
words that that he used. Are close to the words
that he used, and even though he wants to run
another Indy five hundred, he was definitely making it sound

(31:21):
like that wasn't gonna be a thing next year, and
that'd be great because I think that it has negatively
affected him in both races. I mean, I really he
wrecked out of Indie ninety two laps in and more importantly,
screwed up the race for sting Ray Rob.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Sting Ray.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Shout out sting Ray Rob. I am. I'm not too
proud to say that I had absolutely no clue who
sting Ray Rob was until that wreck happened with Kyle Larson,
and they kept saying that name over and over and
I literally rewound it. I'm like, what the hell are
they saying? What is that? And I'm like that can't
be a dude's name, And sure enough I was.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Really I was looking like online on on Sunday and
I looked at an article saying, uh, you know, like
one of those update things like ah, yeah, Kyle Larson
crashed out he got into sting Ray Rob And I'm like, sorry,
the mortal, mortal enemy of Steve Irwin. And you know what,
that's some pitch does look like a stinger. He looks

(32:23):
mouth and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Man, I thought it was fantastic. I think I congratulate
his parents for having the balls and then barely become
a race car driver. It works, It just works.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
And not even that the balls to just to put
a space between exactly not just one word. It is sting.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Space rob. My god, oh I love it. Uh that
that was That was a highlight of my five hundred
was learning about sting Ray Rob.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Well, I guess there was a fracas today about it.
Was there the guy who finished p two disqualified?

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh no really.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, they were like, yeah, Indy avoided another faux Paul.
The guy who finished second and could have finished first
got disqualified.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Oh no, wow, that would have sucked in the wake
of the whole Penskei thing.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Oh yeah, if.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Then they would have had whoever did win the race
get disqualified at that point, if he would have gotten disqualified,
I would have hoped that they would have then given
the trophy to Sting Ray Rob.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And just just for being there, just being a guy,
just being a dude.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I so want him to win the Indy five hundred
because then everybody can have the joy of learning about
him and his name the same way.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
That I did. Or people will try to kill him
on site for killing Steber exactly exactly either way either
way there, But back back to this whole double can
we just can we just stop with guys who don't
like Tony Stewart gets away with it because he drove.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
He drove in both series, he won championships in both series.
It makes sense, you know, exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
And then and now Kyle Larson just well, I drive
everything else. I can drive this too. It's like, yeah,
but should you exactly? You can? Should you not? Necessarily?
I mean k kirk Busch was the last one to
do it.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Previous Yeah, and and he didn't. He didn't complete it
all the laps either, No, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
So it's like, it's like, can we just stop with
this this malarkey? As the kids would say, I mean,
if you want, if you want to do it, fine,
I mean I guess, But at the same time, pick one,
like you can't. You can't the eleven hundred or whatever
the hell they want to demon as it's not gonna
especially with the f the f a A the way
it is. You're kidding me right there.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
You're taking your life in your own hands.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Jesus.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
You know how you how you end this, you know
how you stop it is? You just you don't have
the points system anymore, right, sorry, the playoff system anymore,
because in a series with straight points, if you're Kyle Larson,
you can't afford to take the risk that you're going
to miss the six hundred, And you also can't afford
the risk of having the preparation for both races make

(35:03):
each one not nearly as successful as they could be.
I mean, he finished thirty seven. He didn't make it
to the end of the Coke six hundred either, and
so how much of that was you know, just a
mistake or bad day, and how much of that was
the stress of traveling around and preparing for both races.
It's impossible to tell.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I think it's I mean, he was up nine seconds
in the lead and then goofed, yeah, and the kind
of set him set them on and set him on
the bastion from there. But it's just bad. I think
that's a bad lucky immick.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah. But but why did he get in the wall
in the first place? Right, Because he hit the wall
pretty hard and they had to keep coming down measuring
up the car. Did he get in the wall in
the first place because he was already beat from everything
he had done all day? Who knows, You don't know.
But if if he runs that race without having done
Indy and that happens, well, then he just left up,

(35:52):
you know. But when you run INDI beforehand, it opens
that door. And here it doesn't make a difference because
he's won races, so it doesn't matter he's in the playoffs.
But if these points actually counted for something, then he
would be way less likely to want to split his
time and turn his focus away from NASCAR for a race.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yep, indeed, you're absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
But it definitely does make it all the more impressive
to think about the fact that Tony Stewart did complete
all the laps, and to think about somebody like Mario Andretti,
you know, winning a race, winning the Indy five hundred,
and then winning a race in NASCAR as well, which
I believe is Daytona. He went to Daytona and the
Indy five hundred. Man, I mean, the ability and the

(36:36):
preparation and the luck, because luck has a lot to
do with it because you only get one shot a
year at both those races. I mean, that makes that
accomplishment that much more impressive. And that's all that Kyle
Larson's trying to do. Kyle Larson is trying to be
that person, improve to the world, improved to the Formula
One guys that he's just as good as them because
he can win in two different disciplines that are incredibly

(36:58):
difficult to be able to win at, winning the Marquee races,
but the fact that it's so hard makes it all
that much more impressive for the driver who did accomplish that.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Also to now like the change the errors have changed
as well, you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, But at the
same time, let's just end this, enough of this, enough
of this eleven hundred stuff. It was cute before when
you know, it wasn't a big sponsorship deal. Not everyone
had a had you know, when when media was just
media and it wasn't just a big sponsorship gimmick like

(37:32):
like like now that you have all these all these
like commitments now to do this media, that media, this
interview here, there and everywhere, I mean, that's the mentally
taxing part of it. I mean, you know they talk
about drivers just getting into the car to get away
from everything outside of it. I mean, I can understand
where that is now, but the problem is that focus.
It shifts so much and the next thing you know,
you're running in the sting. Ray Rob, that's kind of wild.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's well, we're all.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Gonna end up. Man, We're just gonna run in the
sting and it's all over at that point. Yeah, yeah,
we are.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
We already know what happens when you have a run
in with a sting, right.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Exactly, all right?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
The year And I apologize to aj Foyd because I
was leaving him out of that conversation, but yes, he
also won the NIE.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I didn't want to say it in the Daytona.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Five hundred, and I didn't realize it. Both also won
the Rolucks twenty four as well. Wow, so even if
Larsen like were to figure out a way to win
an Indy five hundred, he still got to catch up
with those guys. Oh yeah, all right, So what else
we have? Austin Sindrik was asked at length about the
Penske situation on the Indy Cars side, where his dad

(38:37):
was fired as the president of the Penske irl operation,
and Austin said, hey, I get it. No problems here.
I got a contract. I don't see any reason why
the contract won't be honored. We're having a good year,
We've won a race already. Everything's cool for me.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
So he gave He gave him the old the old
bone crusher.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
He did.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I never scurred. I'm never scurred. So good for Austin Syndric.
You get up there like that. So yeah, and you
would think again, you would hope it was two different
situations and all that. But again, in this world you
never know, with sponsorships as it is and all that crap.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
So so this weekend's race in Nashville is interesting in
the sense that it sets the field for the NASCAR
In Season Challenge.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Hell yeah, I forgot this thing was a thing until
they started mentioning.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
That everybody forgot. So how this works. It's a bracket
style in season tournament. Thirty two cars of the thirty
six chartered cars are involved in it. Which thirty two cars, Well,
we figure that out after Nashville, and like you mentioned earlier,
strangely enough, Brad Keselowski is currently in third second and

(40:01):
he's got to try to hold off Shameeman Gisberg and
Cole Custer and Riley Herbst among others this weekend at
Nashville to keep that thirty second spot. How it works
after that is they spend Okay, so we're in five
races for Amazon Prime. We've already done the first one,
The second one is going to set the thirty two drivers.
Then for Amazon's third, fourth, and fifth races, the results

(40:27):
in those races determine the seedings for those thirty two drivers.
Then after that they start five weeks of head to
head as they go to TNT, and it's very much
like a NCAA style bracket where you know, Bret Keslaski
if he's thirty second William Byron will probably be the
top seed, and so they go head to head. Whoever

(40:49):
finishes higher in the first TNT race they move on
right the other one's eliminated. They get all the way
down to the final TNT race and you have two
drivers left going head to head on track and the
winner gets a million bucks.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
That's it's a hell of a thing. Why do we
need to reced it? Like why why not just this?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
I don't know why we need to receive.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
It so dumb, Like again, we're making it more complicated
it needs to be. It's already complicated enough as it is.
We have an internet thing during the season, but that notwithstanding,
it's like, well, just why not wait till the Amazon
and then that's the thirty two races and that's like
their cutoff race and away they go to the tournament.
There's no need to draw that out for three row races.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, And I don't know that outside of just having
something to talk about, like a marketing thing to try
to generate fan interest, I don't really think that from
the driver's perspective, that it's going to change anything for them.
I mean, maybe if we're lucky, we get a situation

(41:53):
where you know, I don't know, Tyler Reddick and aj
Allmendinger are going head to head and they happen to
be right next to each other on the track at
the very end of the race, and so they're like
getting into each other to try to finish higher. But
I don't think they're really going to be thinking about that.
I think they're just gonna be thinking about what they
do in a normal race, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Mm hmm, yeah. I mean they got to worry about
surviving and get into the like do they want the
one million dollars? Sure, I'm sure that's cool and everything
like that, But at the same time, you also got
to focus on, you know, getting into the playoffs, which
is much more lucrative exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, And I think this falls in the same category
as the All Star Race in a sense that a
million dollars is a lot of money for you and me,
but it's not a lot of money for them, and
so who knows how much of a motivator it's going
to be. Maybe for the guys that are newer or
lower in the standings, but I mean, you think William
Byron is like, oh, I'm going to risk it all

(42:47):
to get a million dollars. Maybe you know, he's going
to run his race because he's got bigger things to
worry about. He wants to get playoff points.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Man, that is already he's already in the playoffs. So
it's like it doesn't have to worry about that. And
maybe I'll worry at the tournament. Who knows, I.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Guess, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see how
the drivers respond to it.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
Hey, one thing about this in season, But what's one
glaring thing you see missing.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Like any kind of reward outside of a million bucks?

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Well, it's that sure, I mean fragging rights and such.
It's like the manufacturer's side of that didn't mean nothing
at the All Star rates. But there's that, Oh what
do you gotta think?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Guess the fact that essentially everybody is involved, and so
why do they even have like a cutoff to begin with.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yeah, no, that's a very valid point. Four guys, you
can't race and then like we didn't even know where
we just show up exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, those people don't care either. It's not like they're
going to try extra hard. They're just trying to like
finish the damn race, you.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Know, NASCAR has one hundred and forty people in their
marketing department, which is a shock to me.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, and like we're just we're being reminded of it
like a few days beforehand.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, and there's no goddamn sponsor on that.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
There's no sponsor on it at all. It just says
NASCAR and Season Challenge. They haven't been building it up,
making a big deal about it. They're just like, oh, yeah,
by the way, this weekend is the cutoff.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah, it's just like, guys, this is this is Howard
doing it. Yeah. Peter Jung is the chief marketing officer
of NASCAR and apparently has one hundred and forty employees.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I think that that's who not know that.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, Yeah, I think you're right. I mean I think
that's a relatively recent thing for him to get promoted too,
so maybe he changes something with it. But yeah, I mean,
this should have been something that had been talked about
consistently on the way on the build up to this moment, right,
especially with the Brad Kiselowski thing. You know, he's been
having such a shit season and here he might not

(44:50):
even be one of the top thirty two drivers in
like a throwaway tournament, but something you would assume and
anticipate he would be part of one way or the
other because he's been around forever. I mean, he's one
of the biggest drivers in the sport.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
And maybe I'm delusion. I didn't hear anything about it
in the first Amazon race. Would you think they would
be promoting the hell out.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Of I remember them talking about the fact that it
was uh Becuz's first top ten of the year, but
I don't think they I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
I have to go back and I'm an in season challenge.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Well yeah, Well what I'm saying is I remember them mentioning, oh,
that he finally got a top ten, and but I
can't remember if they were like, oh, that's really important
for him and getting into this in season challenge or not.
I can't remember if they said that, but if they did,
they will be the ones. I mean, they weren't talking
about it before this. Nobody was talking about it before.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
This, well not even you and I. Yeah, we talked
about at the beginning of the season. When when our
preseason when they mentioned it, it's like, oh cool, and
then we forgot about until now.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Yeah, but that's good marketing.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
But it's uh, it would be a and this is
a quote, a coveted birth if you were able to
be in in thirty second. Now I think they mean
like birth, like like like a birth in the g playoffs. No,
and I don't think that they mean he's can be preggers.
I don't think, but we'll have to see because the

(46:09):
marketing team doesn't give us much. We could show up to,
you know, the first TNT race and somebody could be preggers.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
How are there's one hundred and forty people in the
marketing team and not a goddamn one of them do
a damn bit of work? How are they stealing million
where seven point seven billion in TV money's going is
to blind their pockets and they're doing jack and shit?

Speaker 1 (46:29):
I mean, just lower the price. If nobody's bought it
by now, just get somebody's name on there. So it's
not the NASCAR and Season Challenge, it's the I don't know,
the Coca Cola me.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
I don't know if it's million man like something. Who
do sponsors a lot of bullshit?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
The Monster Energy in Season Challenge don't sponsor anything.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
That was the funniest part too of the weekend is
they constantly getting Ty Gibson Riley Herbs mixed up, and.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yes, you're right.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh, they got to change it. They got to change
something to those monsters card man.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I know, oh man, they could uh it could be
the Red Bull in season challenge.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Oh, that'd be good.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
They kind of take a shot there at Monster.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, take that Monster goodyear.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
In season challenge, befod in season challenge, anything like literally
get the dodge and at this point we'll give you
five hundred bucks for it. Just call it the end
of Draft Show in season challenge.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Think we can do that?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
If we give him an extra, if we have him
a good five.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Piece, Yeah, I mean right now they're making zero off its,
so might as well make five hundred bones.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
If we if we give them, if we give them
the same prices as they use nineteen eighty three to
edit yourself.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
They might. At this point, what have they got to lose? Man?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Peter John, see what he's up to. Say, Hey, buddy, listen,
how well how will we do a little little in
the Draft Show Ski the it D in season Challenge?
The it the it D? I S I love it?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Yeah, you know, Oh my gosh, I'm telling you man,
let's see here. Will Brown is he's gonna run the
Chicago Street Course for Cali Racing. Will Brown is the
reigning Australian Supercars champion, won his first championship in twenty

(48:22):
twenty four and he is currently leading the twenty twenty
five championship. If you remember, he showed up and brand
the thirty three car for Childress at Sonoma last year.
That was during that that like spam when everybody was like,
oh shamanis we're good. We got to go find our
own Australian guy and like there was this rash of
Australian guys doing one offs at road courses. Will Brown

(48:44):
was one of them. It truly was one off at Sonoma.
He uh started twenty fourth, He finished thirty first in
that one, so he got his first taste of one
of these cars. I guess they're trying to like, you know,
captural line in a bottle here and and see if
they can get another Austroli Supercars driver to burst onto

(49:06):
the scene with the victory at the Chicago Street Course.
I'm not saying it's not possible. I don't know if
he'll have nearly as good of a chance of the
calid car as he would have in a children's car.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
I don't know, probably, Oh, you know, they kind of
they kind of get things going for Dinger a lot.
I mean, that seems to be a bread and butter
race for them, and maybe if they mold that after
what he's doing there, because let's be honest, I mean,
Childress doesn't have that good of a race, you know,
road course driver. I mean, you know, I'll do respect
the Kyle Bush and everything, but the old Gray Marry

(49:38):
and what he used to be. Right, But if they're
setting up the car for Dinger the way they want it,
maybe they set it up the same way for or
similar to to what Brown's gonna drive and it works
out for yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, so that'll be fun to see how he does.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
That.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Definitely has the makings of a side bet for that race.
And then I got sponsor news left out. Don't know
if you've got anything else or not. I mean, it's
so early in the.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Yeah, it's it's it's it's rough early in the week.
I mean, I'm surprised that we have a lot of
news as it is. Oh, William Byron resigned a deal
to stay with They were peeping peeping in tommon about.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
That nobody overall surprise.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
There no not a shock overall, all right, So Fox
Sports UH and Bob Gottlieb, the president of marketing for
Fox Sports, has said that the way they marketed NASCAR
this year, as it's a smaller package started UH, is
not necessarily indicative of how it will be marketed next year,

(50:41):
with Gottlieb saying I wouldn't draw any conclusions from what
we did this year to market NASCAR to what next
year might look like. Every season is different, the challenges,
the opportunity, each year is different. We just finished this week,
so we're uh not how we haven't begun to look
back and evaluate what kind of game plan we have
moving forward, So there's still more to come with figure
out next year. I will say the performance ratings racing

(51:03):
we had, it's another great season. We're proud to be
a flagship partner of NASCAR next year and even great
and next year will be an even greater season, and
of course we'll do everything we can let the folks
of NASCAR know how great NASCAR is as well. And
I think that's also kind of go to the point
where they had a shiny new toy and IndyCar and
the hell out of that, and then people just thought
NASCAR was on the back burner, which it showed. It

(51:26):
definitely showed.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
They just need a different creative agency. Whatever creative agency
they hired for the IndyCar things, they did the phenomenal job.
They just need that kind of flash. They need to
modernize the visual presentation of the sport is what they
need to do. It's an exciting sport, but it is
almost exclusively presented in promos and commercials in a non

(51:54):
exciting way. Yes, and that's what they did with IndyCars.
They presented it in a more exciting and and a
more exciting and a more trendy type of way. And
that's really what they need for NASCAR because you got
to bring in you got to bring in younger fans.
And listen, an old fan, if you throw like a
really flashy, like trendy style ad in front of them,

(52:16):
they're not gonna like be like, I'm not gonna watch that.
If they want to watch it, they're gonna watch it.
But a younger fan or a younger perspective fan is
gonna be swayed by that, so you know, play to
the audience. You're trying to get man, because you're not
gonna lose your regular audience because of an.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Ad right exactly. And it worked out for Fox. Is
the for the third time in the last thirty years,
Indy five hundred numbers bigger than the Daytona five hundred
numbers seven point oh five oh million for Indy six
point seven six one for Daytona. Wow. Past two years
twenty twenty one with Daytona being impacted by weather and

(52:53):
then nineteen ninety five when both were on a clear,
sunny day.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
So interesting, huh.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Pretty pretty pretty uh situation, Such interesting situation there. So
other than that, it looks like just people uh jerking
and goofing about the Indy five hundred, So not too much,
uh to tell. Although I was as a flipping through Instagram,
I saw Dale Junior saying that they need to get
rid of the roval. So that's something interesting, especially after

(53:22):
the past weekend. He's like, yeah, we gotta get rid
of the roble and put the Oval course in the playoffs,
the hell with it.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean the roval, the roval
has lost some of the chaos factor, and because everybody's
used to it now and it's just like the you know,
the dirt race at Bristol or the Chicago street course,
like those things wear out there, welcome the gimmick fades,
you know, yeah, and and and the gimmick phase and

(53:48):
a something like a street circuit or like the roval
the infield at Charlotte or the infield at Indye, you know,
races like that, or the dirt track at Bristol. Races
like that are interesting for a minute, but once that
newness wears off, they're never as good as a purpose

(54:08):
built track. So those street courses, road courses in the infield,
they're never as good as a real purpose built road
course like Sonoma or Watkins Glen and throwing down dirt
of Bristol was interesting for a while, but it's never
as good as an actual purpose built dirt track like Eldorra.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
Yes, exactly. One last thing, Senior Vice president of Cars
Go Room Mountain Sawyer said on a NASCAR show on
Sirius XM the Morning Drive. Increasing the horsepower on cup
cars is on the table and being discussed daily.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Do it, man, They got to make these guys hit
the brakes harder into the corners. That's where passing happens. Man,
you need more power, means you It means you have
to hit the brakes harder at bigger tracks when you
go into the corner, but it's smaller tracks. It means
you got more power to get out of the corner
once you're trying to dive bomb somebody to make a pass.
So more power always makes it better. And more power

(55:09):
overwhelms the tires, which means you gotta take care of
the car better too.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Yeah, exactly. Patty Moy's husband said that they've been talking
to John Propes, I guess as the the senior senior
vice president of Room Room Cars. I had a conversation
with our engine builders to see what we could do,
how how would look and what changes would need to
be made. It's at the forefront. It's on the table
and something we discussed daily.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, make the tires weaker and the engine stronger, and
then guys are gonna have to wheel these things man.
Hell yeah, brother, And you said, you said, Propes that
they vote somebody off the island too.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's probably gonna be the art. The art
didn't know what is it? The Ganassi, Aaron Heart whatever
whatever one that uh freaking Almendinger was complaining about a
couple of weeks back. Oh wait, the Childres's engines and
he was complaining.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
About Yeah, probably a e CR engines. Y.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
So he was he was complaining about that, so they'll
probably give off.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah, all right, So sponsor News we got some interesting
ones this week. How coo Fandy And I don't know
if that's how you say it or not, but Coupfandy
or Kufandy, I don't know. They are a men'swear company,
there are. Yeah, they're gonna be on the number twenty
Christopher Bellcar at Martinsville in October, so they're at least

(56:28):
announcing it ahead of time. Yeah. I looked them up
and they've got just like men's clothes on their website
and stuff. Coupandy, Coupandy, Kodandy. I don't know. Garner Trucking
is gonna be on number seven justin Haley car. This
is a two race deal. Hey you for Haley Nashville
this weekend and she.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Bounced back after the whole Ben Affleck thing, I know.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Right, and then Michigan later on this year and then Trimble.
Trimble is gonna be on the number sixty car with
Ryan Prese and the number seventeen car with Chris Busher,
at least that's what the press release says this weekend
at Nashville. This is a multi year deal that they
say is going to expand to the six car with

(57:11):
Brad Keselowski. But they didn't give us any details on
how many years from multi year, how many races per year,
how those races will be distributed, and things like that.
That's not important so but but looking forward to the
Trimble car. So they do like they do like business
like construction type of software, mapping and things like that,

(57:34):
mapping and estimating and things like that. I happen to
know somebody who works for that company.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
And they messaged me and they were like, hey, did
you see the RFK news? And I was like, no,
what you say?

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I was all I look at that.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
And he got shot in the head back in the seventies.
He about this exactly the stadium after him. Oh no,
his son is currently really gooping up the help system
in a big way.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah, in a huge way.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I'm surprised you haven't heard about that. You've been in history, brother.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
You know, I wasn't paying very much attention.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
So with County, So I'm not exactly you gotta give
me a break. Hey, one penalty this week Josh Blicky, Uh,
losing attire JB. So he is gonna lose his car
chief and his crew chief for two for the next
two races through Michigan, which, let's be honest, it's not

(58:34):
really gonna make a god damn minded he.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Could though, this is Josh Blakey.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I was gonna say it could affect him getting into
the mid season tournament, but could be.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
He's not even in the car this weekend, so it doesn't
matter exactly. So somebody else in that sixty six cars
here go.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
All right, So Nashville this weekend, the big race, the
big make the top thirty two get into the mid
season ornament. The in champion did the I s C
the in Yeah, in season contest, I don't know what
they're what are they calling it?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
And in season speed speed coming.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Challenge, in season challenge, I see, yes.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Even in season one word.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Definate No, I think I think it would be hyphenated.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's technically one word.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Yeah, I don't know, right, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
So, you know, we'll get we'll get to the linguist
and we'll bring back to next week.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, we'll have to have to chat GPT that thing.
So Nashville we get a big change from where we
were at Charlotte. So hopefully we get a little bit
of variety here and we keep the intensity that we
had at the end of Charlotte. I don't know how
many cars are in this race, thirty nine? Holy crap,
what happened? I don't know, yes or extras Chad Finch

(59:55):
them we get a fincham in the sixty six.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Yes, yeah, they said that maybe he'll keep it higher
on the car, so he's he's there. Cory Hym nice
the booty booty barker on the box at that this week,
you know know what could be a Corey Haynes kind
of day, folks exactly, And of course JJ with the
fanatic sport book.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Oh nice, he's gonna be in the m I racing car.
Everybody baby, yeah, all right, and they all make it
so that's good for them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Everyone's in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Everyone's in. Everybody in. So we can't do Paintscape preview
because too early in the week. We don't have we
don't have them yet. I'll pick the Trumpell.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Car, all right, cool, I will pick whatever the coof
coof Andy, the Coop Andy car this week.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
That's in October.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
It's Martin all right, well, and it's still gonna pick it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
You could you could do the Mark the Gardener trucking
one though.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, give me the Jennifer Gardner trucking that affleck Joe
for the other people. Just how they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Actually the car doesn't look bad. It's red, white and black.
It looks pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
They said about Jennifer Gardner when you first started.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
She looks pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
He's pretty good, pretty good. And then she landed a batman.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Man she did though, she did look pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Does she still does look good? She's still among the living.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, I haven't. I've been seen her recently. But the
last time I did see her on TV it was
for like some credit card commercials something. She still looked
pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Good for her right here, So.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
That means picks. How did we do last week? I
know that I beat you on the general boat, but uh,
but what was the side bed?

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Who was the side bett?

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Jimmy Oh, it was Jimmie Johnson.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, and I had far too much faith in him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah you did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
He faced qualified, great, he did get caught up in
someone else's mess and finish his dead last. So you
won that one. Yeah, murdered me on the murdered me
on the rate. Real race. So I get all thirty
nine folk.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
I mean it was a hollow victory for me because
I did actually anticipate he would beat some people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah, yeah, there's gonna beat twelve people.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Jesus, hardly made it the quarter of the way through.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
The race, Yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
That race was so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Long, right, how long was it that that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
I remember Jimmy Johnson's car sitting there with a big
like doughnut on the side from where he got run into,
And I felt like that was the last third of
the race, not the first third. Jesus, that's how long
that race was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, it's a long race. Oh all right, So I
got thirty nine cars to pick for you do yesh
Lrace has been running four times, three time Winter Chebby
with Larson, Chase Elliott, and Justin. Joey Lagano won it

(01:02:55):
last year in a four and a half hour freaking race.
Brother if it gets the four and a half hours,
I'm just gonna tap out. I'll watch it on Monday.
You know what I'm feeling, I'm feeling. I'm feeling kind
of that Chevy vibe. I'm feeling that Chevy vibe, and
I'm feeling a guy who wants redemption. Listen, he's listening

(01:03:15):
to Bob Marley this week. Try to get some of
that redemption song going. And that's what little old William byram.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
But that's a good one. If you haven't picked him,
I think I was probably gonna pick him for this one,
especially with what happened last week and how how well
he's been racing the past couple of weeks. I'm gonna
I'm gonna counter you with Toyota, and I'm gonna pick
the same or follow the same philosophy, because he could
have had a legitimate shot at winning the six hundred,

(01:03:45):
but more importantly, he raced really, really well, and he's
been so close a couple of times this year. Give
me Demy Hamlin.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
That's a good one. I like that one. I like
that one a lot. Uh side, bet Man, we've done
a Corey Haim already this year. Dud Chad Bencham this year.
He's done a jj LA this year. So we've done
a lot, We've done a lot of folk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
How about how about this? How about what driver finishes
the highest out of that trio? Oh okay, yeah, that
way instead of just like picking him all to finish last,
one of them has to be the other two.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Well, here's the thing. Corey Heim did finish super great
in his race in Kansas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
He did.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
He finished thirteenth. Oh interesting, and he is he is
a guy. I want to say he does well in
Nashville too. That's why I'm trying to find if there's
a if there's an Excinity gimmick this week? Is it just?
Is it just? No? They're running the Tennessee Lottery? Uh five?
What good? Let's see what fun people are in the
Infinity race. God, there's forty people in this are there? Yeah?

(01:04:52):
I don't know what the hell's going on there. Catherine
Leggs in the in the race.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Oh really?

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
In the uh in the Xfinity race.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
The National Infinity Race.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Just do Catherine Lake X. If we do Catherine Lake Infinity,
let's do that because maybe she she finishes better here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Okay, so we have forty forty for forty alright, so
forty cars in the field, including Yat Snyder and Matt Benedetto. Okay,
all right, so got the number thirty two Jordan Anderson Racing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah, it does have a proven track record of running. Yeah,
it is a car that has run.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
His car's run before. ELF cosmetics on the car again.
All right, So we're just picking a spot here out
of the top forty.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
Huh am.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
I allowed to go see her results this year so far.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
By all means, and I don't think I don't know.
I don't think it's going to make a damn bit
of difference.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I don't think it is either, but you know it
will inform the decision at least a little bit. Okay,
all right, So because I've admittedly not paid attention to
what she has really done an X where is six face? Hears? Okay,
all right, so wow, oh that's right, she dnq to
have ben took somebody else's car.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Listen, So this is this is forty. This is a
forty thirty eight car field.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
So she might not make it in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
You might not make it in. So DNQ is always
a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
DANQ is a possibility here. So her results have been
thirty six, thirty four, thirty two, thirty four. It's pretty consistent. Umm,
out of thirty eight, I will pick Catherine legg To.
She's got Off cosmetics, right, so she'll buy her way
into this race if she doesn't qualify.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
And but I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
The average here is thirty fourth. I'll take Nashville.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Manum, I'll take thirty sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
So thirty seventh is going to be our mid factor
because I'm taking her thirty Okay, all right, all right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I would have been a little bit more bullish because
a little bit of experience under a belt maybe shows
a little bit better. But the finishes of thirty four,
thirty two, and thirty four were at Charlotte, Texas and Talladega,
longer tracks. The thirty sixth was at Rockingham, so some
more similar sized track, more similar style of racing, and

(01:07:40):
she can do very well there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
So yeah, exactly, so there we go. We've done it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yeah, So thirty six and thirty eight, so I've got
Katherine like thirty six. Then the X race you've got
her thirty eighth. In the Cup Series race, you're taking
William Byron and I am taking Denny Hamlin. So the
guys who were the main protag guests before Ross Chastin
came along in the Coke six hundred. So if you
want to find out who wins the race, who wins

(01:08:05):
the bet, who wins the side bet, whether it was
any good, and if Amazon can keep a decent thing
going with the broadcast, then come back next week. We'll
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You can do that on Apple Podcasts, YouTube podcasts, Spreaker,
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(01:08:28):
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Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
Now in the Draft show dot com, it's a website.
It still doesn't have the show from the seventeenth or
the eighteenth in the in the latest part. It also
has a small small picture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So it's so weird because when I put up this
last one, I checked it and it looked fine to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Yes, what's the difference? Stop editing in front page?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Stop it hang on, let me, I'm gonna look at
it on this Did you look at it on this computer?
Because on my other computer it looked fine because I
was keeping an eye out for that. No, on mine,
it is definitely what the heck man small screens, but

(01:09:19):
it is at the up at the top for me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
Oh yeah, no that is. But we're still missing. If
you look at the latest, it still goes from Texas
to six hundred. Oh what the heck again? Stop front
page dude, we left we left that in Crofton.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Oh I actually I think I might know what it is.
I think I might have forgotten check box. Yeah yeah,
but but it doesn't explain why it's smaller here because
it was normal size on my other screen.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
Hey listen, man, I say that the girls a uh.
If you want to if you want to just get
rid of If you don't want to deal with little pictures,
I want to deal with like racism and fascism. Just
check out social media. In the draft, show on Facebook, Instagram.
I don't know if we're still on Twitter, but right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yeah, I'm not doing anything on the Twitter, but Blue Sky.
I'm posting his shows on blue Sky.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Now what the blue Sky? Um? That's it. That's all
for Wilsonon wants to carr yourself and someone else's has
been in the draft of Wilson. Wise, when's ther show
going up?

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Let's do Friday, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
The thirtieth of May, the one hundred and fiftieth day
of the year. Yeah. This day in uh thirteen eighty one,
the beginning of the peasants revolt in England. Hey, maybe
we can do that again, shout out Luigi man jion
um the uh what is it? Henry the eighth This

(01:10:40):
day in fifteen thirty six marries Jane Seymour, a lady
in waiting to his first two wives.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I thought she was an actress, but I guess not.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Oh she dude, they've done a lot. I'll work on her.
She's looking great. From four hundred years old, right. The
last ship of the Spanish armana set sale from Lisbon
heading to the English channel. This day, fifteen eighty eight,
the publication of the Gazette de France is the first
French newspaper. This day in sixteen thirty one, Oh oie,

(01:11:11):
future US President Andrew Jackson kills Charles Dickinson in a duel.
This day in eighteen oh six. Oh my goodness, that's
not somehow so that elected. Don't know how that works,
but now it makes a lot of it makes sense
if we're looking at it, that's not good. Pearl Heart,
a female outlaw in the Old West Robins of State
coach thirty miles southeast the globe, Arizona this day in

(01:11:33):
eighteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Interesting, good for her.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Nineteen eleven, the first Indy five hundred ends with Ray
Harn and his Maron Wasp becoming the first winner of
the five hundred mile Alto race.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Wow man, no way.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
On nineteen twenty two, the Lincoln Memorial is dedicated in
d C twenty two. Wow right, Yeah, it's one of
one hundred and three years now. Yeah, if my math
is right, and it's not. Usually the European Space Agent
she has established this day in nineteen seventy five. Nineteen
eighty two, Spain joins NATO to get that protection during

(01:12:12):
that Cold War situation. Yeah. The Convention of Cluster Munitions
is adopted in two thousand and eight. What is that?
It's international treaty The prohibits all use, transfer, production, and
stockpiling of cluster munitions like little bomblets.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Does that mean I have to give mine back? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
I think so. Shit. This day in twenty twenty four,
Donald Trump is convicted of falsifying business records in this
New York trial, the first time before president has been
found guilty in a criminal case. It still didn't give
a goddamn apparently exactly this is where we're at as
a people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Oh Man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Also this day, in this day, in nineteen eighty nine,
nothing happened in Tianamen Square. Oh I thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Whoa yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
You look at the official record, at least nothing. That's all.
You guys, have a wonderful time, enjoy the Amazon coverage,
and we'll come back to you in a week's a
little bit more than a week's time, and talk all
about It's gonna be a great time. Until then, please

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Thanks for listening to In the Dress with Wilson and
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