Briscoe Wins Pocono...and Somehow That Wasn’t the Surprise Story

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark George whom time smoking like hell now coming down,
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(00:23):
when mister Scottie was what's happening there was ma'am.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Let me tell you something, brother, This heat dome was
no joke.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, you guys had the heat dome. You were like
you had the same kind of temperature as we did,
but I'm sure you had the humidity to go along
with it.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Dudes, when you step outside, your sweating. Oh yeah, this
is a terrible lay. Why does anybody live here?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, I mean the dry heat is a thing. Now.
It's when it's one hundred and eighteen degrees, it doesn't matter,
it's just hot as balls. But the dry heat does
make a difference.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Oh. Absolutely, it feels like one hundred and eighteen hunts. Yeah. Yeah,
where it's like the humidity it's like one hundred and
you get a warm swimming pool splashing.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Near Oh man. That's the one part I don't miss
about being there is that humidity. The few times I've
come back when it's been like summertime and the weather's
in that range. Now I'm not in the range that
you were in, but close, I've been like, oh my gosh,
how did I live in this? Like this is crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:21):
It is. It is still kind of wild. Like we've
been here two years now, and it's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Because I would imagine were pretty dry in general in
the Dakotas.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh god, yeah, yeah, nothing's in there.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, it's just just too far away.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
From any water anything anywhere, exactly, no relief.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh and of course, just to prove, just to prove
me right, it rained in freaking Pocono. After I was like, oh,
it's going to rain, and I looked at the forecast
and there wasn't rain in the forecast. It did it anyway,
because that's what freaking happens in Pocono. It could be
like like sunny and seventy five is the forecast for
the weekend. There will be rained at Pocono.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Without fail, without fail. YEP. I tuned in and they're
they're just talking, tuned in when Green Flag was about
to happen, and I see Denny Hamlet still talking it
as aller. I'm my god, is ain't gonna start for
a minute.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, I can't even imagine what the parking lot and
the infield was like. I'm sure it was just like
a swimming pool in there. And uh and eventually they
got it, got it going. I think it was a
two hour delay.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I want to say, yeah, yeah, to about two hours.
They started at four thirty.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
East and then then, uh, what the f man, Chase
Brisco wins this race?

Speaker 2 (02:33):
What a race?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Like, I don't even understand how that happened?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Really? What a race from Toyota in general. Yeah, you know,
we had a lot of representation.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
We were both on the right track with picking Toyota drivers.
We just picked the wrong Toyota drivers.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Man, oh boy did we did.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
There was a lot of tire issues there were. There
was just.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
A ton of just out of nowhere and different, you know,
different things like you know, under inflating over and plane
just cut tires here, there and everywhere, and blisters and
all kinds of crazy craft that was going on there.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yes, but both of the drivers we picked have bright
fronts go down.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Oh yeah, exactly. So it was a war of attrition
at that point. But in the grand scheme of things.
I mean, you look at it, and I mean Chase
Briscoe ran the best kind of race he could. I mean,
you talk about a guy who you know, gets that
seat the nineteen, a guy who is going to be
focused on winning and low and behold boom, he gets
himself his first victory with gives race and gets himself

(03:29):
into the playoff. Uh and uh yeah, I think that's
a that's a good a good boost for him, especially
as we get, you know, closer and closer to the playoffs.
We're only what like eight more races.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Got nine I think nine nine or eight or eight
or nine? There are nine to.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Go, nine to go, okay, ye, So yeah, I mean
that's a good boost. On the down side of the
regular season, I mean, you can test things out a
lot more now there's not all that pressure to worry
about points. But it's it puts it puts pressure on
everyone else because I mean, now you got one less
spot that's going to be taken by points.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, and a driver that I mean, personally, I wasn't
expecting to win a race and so yeah, and so
it really kind of muddies that playing field a little bit.
More when it comes both to how many points slots
there are going to be and the guys that will
be most competitive for those points flots, because you know,
Chase Presco takes himself out of that argument by getting

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the win.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah exactly. I mean you also throw in that effect
that god, who else is out that doesn't that doesn't
have points in? Is that it's not Josh Berry? Is
it Josh Berry?

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Josh Berry believe is out again.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
He's back in the top sixteen now.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Oh yeah, because he keeps going in and out of
the top sixteen on a weekly basis, it feels like.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, and a SVG is now the one, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, SVG is like thirty first, Like, let's.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
VG hasn't had the best rookie season.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
No, he's thirty first to the points, but he has
a win, you know, so oh yeah, Josh Berry is sixteenth.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
So yeah, there you go. I mean you you look
at it too. And those other guys like Bubble Wallace,
you know, has a huge string of bad lust luck
this year so far. You know, we haven't seen the
best out of Brad Keselowski, though he's improving week by week.
I mean, Chris Busher looked damn good in that race.
He did. John Hunter Nimachek could pull something out because

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he's been running super well in that Legacy Motorsports car. Yeah. So,
I mean there's a lot of guys who still are
in contention. Hell, Ryan Priest might steal one, but it's
it puts a lot more pressure on him now that
they they're like, okay, well now we have we almost
have to win now, yeah, in order to get into
the playoff.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, the more first time winners we get, it's going
to really put the pressure on everybody else because you're
just going to start the run out of slots. You know.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Can you imagine if we get seventeen winners and svgs
out because of that point.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
See, I could. I could see that happening, Like it's conceivable,
even though usually what ends up happening is we get
a couple like we get like maybe fo yeah, fourteen winners.
But when you look at it, we've got eleven winners
right now, right nine races to go. And here are
the drivers that are of note that have won races
in the past or multiple races in the past, that

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have no wins this year. Chase Elliot, who's fifth in
the points, right, so he's running well and we know
he can win. Tyler Reddick, who's seventh in the points,
he was our regular season champion last year. He doesn't
have a win. And so right there, you're up to thirteen.
And then you already mentioned Busher and you mentioned Wallace,
and I think that they're capable of winning. Alex Bowman

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is capable of winning race too, and already there's three more,
you know, and that's not even to mention Preece is
a guy who is like right on the edge. Maybe
he could. And you know, I don't know what the
story is with Eric Jones, but you still have a
j Allmendinger and somebody like that could win a road

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course and get in.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know, yeah, I mean it's conceivable. And you know,
nine races to go, you got what five more spots? Yeah,
you know, it's very it's very imagine if there's only
one point spot, how many people would freak out and
tell NASCAR we gotta gotta span the thing to twenty,
I know, right, and make the whole just make the

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whole season playoffs at that point.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
And so we've got we've got Chicago coming up in
just a couple of weeks time, and so that is
like an opportunity. And then right after that Sonoma, So
there's back to back opportunities for somebody like a Joemendinger
to make their way in, and then Indianapolis. Indianapolis is
a bit of a wild card for me in terms

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of it tends to race a little bit more like
one of the drafting tracks. So you could see some
some stuff happen there. Why do I keep getting these messages?
Hang on? How do I turn this off? Turn off? Okay,
there we go. So sorry about that for whoever heard
that on on the show Watkins Glenn is coming. We're

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that's still in there right one, two, three, four or five,
seventy eight night all the way down to Daytona and
then the last trace Daytona. You got guys like Ricky
Stenhouse Junior and Michael McDowell who don't have a win,
who easily could win there.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh absolutely, So, I mean it's one of those deals
that now you're just like, oh boy, how do we
avoid a situation like this where we you know, we
have to win? I mean, how can we You know
you can? All you can do is just try to
do your best in points and then hope, hope to
God know him behind you comes up and through.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, and then you've got your total wild cards. Somebody
like Carson Josavar who's finished second a couple of times
this year, but you don't know if he's gonna win
or not. Kyle Bush, who's got a gazillion wins, but
you just don't know if he's gonna be able to
win or not the way that he's racing right now.
Ty Gibbs, a guy who's having a poopy season, but
we know he can be fast, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah, So yeah, another guy who's kind of just in
and out of the whole situation. I mean, anybody's anybody's
game now, it's kind of it's kind of wild now
as we get to the final nine. But yeah, Pocono,
I want to say this about Amazon, and I'm glad
Amazon did have you know, the first the maiden voyage
that they deserve.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
I thought they did coverage. It was really great. They
got towards you know, towards the end there those last
couple of races, or at least this last race, really
focusing on the front. I understand there's a drama storyline
about who can do gas and who can do gap,
but it's they went away from there. There there gimmick
that they did, like following the whole thing, and it's

(09:30):
just like, don't slip into that, boys, exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
They got to stick to that bit. And and since
we're on that topic, let's talk about those ratings. Because
they started strong and they tailed off, right, I'm that
that's not unusual though. I mean we see that it
was probably gonna happen for TNT, right, They're probably gonna
start strong and they're gonna tail off. It's gonna start

(09:54):
for NBC that way. It's gonna start strong, it's gonna
tail off, and then it might come back for the
championship race, it might not. And that is how the
entire season goes too. I Mean, Fox only has the
best numbers because they have the Daytona five hundred, right,
and that audience carries over for about four or five weeks,
and then there's a drop off and we get to
where we are now. And so I'm not too worried

(10:17):
that they started stronger and then they tailed off. We're
not talking huge numbers here. I can't remember what the
first one was. It was probably in the mid twies,
and now we're down to one point nine. It is
the lowest of their five races, but we did have
the rain delay. The interesting part here, though, is that
last year's Pocono race was two point three nine to
one million. That was on USA network. But that race

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was in I want to say July. I think it
was in July, exactly one year ago. They were at
loudon right and exactly one year ago one point eight
eight million. And so even though the Amazon Prime numbers
were generally low or than the cable numbers and then

(11:03):
they also tailed off, at least in the respect of
this race, they were able to match what the cable
network would be able to do. And for me, that's
actually pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah, I mean, especially when it's it's a streaming streaming
only it's no there's no linear TV involved. There's no
way we moved into. This is straight up streaming on
your TV or computer or what have you. And I
think overall, I mean, again, people get two into numbers
to make or break anything, but I mean, overall, I

(11:38):
think this was exactly what NASCAR needs if they want
to get a new group, a crop, a fan into
the sport because I mean, I will say they did
a not great job promoting it on their main page
to what I saw. But at the same time, it's
just like people knew it was on Amazon, so you
go to Prime Amazon Prime and blah blah blah, it's
right there. And I think I think the new folks

(12:00):
kind of stumbled onto It's like, oh, that's pretty cool. Well,
it might not stick with it, and they learned all
the drivers and everything went well telecast wise. They did
the split screen all the time and didn't miss any
action that was green flag, so that was pretty That
keeps people kind of involved as well. You couldn't ask
for a better situation. And I remember god years ago

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when it was first flowed at that NBC was going
to move their races to Peacocks strictly. We were just like,
I don't know, it's gonna work. It's you know, some
people don't know what the hell peacock is. Some people
don't you know, aren't subscribed to Peacock, And I mean,
I think you kind of got that too with Amazon.
I mean, the older group fell off because they've probably
not subscribed to Prime, like a younger person or you know,

(12:47):
even you know, mid forties and fifty and we saw
the demo skew younger, and I think that's what NASCAR needs.
They streaming. Streaming is unfortunately unnecessary evil these days because
cables out the door and you got to buy seventy
five thousand subscriptions to get the same thing you had
with cable.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
You really kind of do it. And it's funny because
all of those streaming services came along as a cheaper
option to cable, but then it got so fractioned up
because everybody wanted the piece of that and it was
so much easier. Right, So it's not like if if
NBC wanted to have their own cable network, they could
just start it because you don't have the infrastructure. But
on the Internet you don't need the infrastructure, and so
everybody digging up their own so they could to get

(13:29):
their piece of the pie. And then you're right, if
you want them all, then you got to pay more
than you would to just get cable.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And it sucks with all these multiple media partners. And
it happens with the NHL too, is that like TNT
and ESPN share the rights. So if I want, if
I want to watch all the hockey. I gotta get ESPN, plus,
I gotta get Max, HBO, Max now and all I
gotta Usually I just could just go on the cable

(13:56):
and boom it's there ESPNT the deuce. But I mean,
but going back to the point, Amazon did as good
as it could be in the thing. And boy, howie
do we get a nice little quote from Director of
Streaming Media Sean Nope, sorry Steve Helps. Phelps who said,

(14:18):
there's a pundit who thought the numbers and I won't
say who it is because it's a current partner. Their
research person thought Amazon Prime would do one point two
million average viewers on the Coke six hundred, so you
missed it, like just a smidge interesting and they pulled
what a three two on that one. Yeah, So I mean,
and I think that's also the old school thought. It's
just like, ah, people aren't going to go to Amazon Prime.

(14:40):
You're not going to pulling new people in because it's
you know, they can't find it when they're flipping through channels,
or it's not going to come up with their guide.
And you know, it kind of goes to show that
people will go to you know, if they go to
they can go there and I guess it's a it's
a video interview that Steve Phelps does with the CNBC
jobbers out there. So yeah, yeah, good times with that.

(15:00):
But yeah, I mean Amazon did is good and I
think it's a good look for NASCAR to say, Okay,
maybe we can push things more on the streaming side.
And god forbid, they make their own streaming meat streaming
company and they do it. They produce everything their way,
which I think.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
You know what, did they do it in the basement
in Crafton.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I would love for them to do that transmitter that
doesn't go past the driveway. What's old is new again.
What we did twenty years ago is starting to come
exactly streaming video ourself.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, that's all. That's what we had. We had our
own streaming network.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Man, you understand, you understand how much more famous we
should be.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I know, right, it's crazy, like like we were podcasting
before there was an iPod, nobody called it that, and
then we had our own streaming network before anybody had
a streaming network.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Really, but because we weren't, you know, peacocking assholes and
didn't you know, talk to the right people or you know,
brown knows that's really what it comes down. Yeah, essentially,
we're you know, we're not all rcs and and things
like that. You know, you're not going up to card
shows and then getting our way into it and then
write a couple of books. Somehow you haven't been able to
pay for even Meeta Company last week. Oh but anyway,

(16:17):
good for Amazon.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
But the big thing here, and this will be the
interesting part now that things are going back to cable
and they're going to be on TNT. The two things
I'm curious about. One will will Amazon primes response basically
to Richard Petty and kudos to Richard Petty. How old
is that guy? He's it like eighty five or something,
eighty four? How old?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Thousand years old?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
I did know how old. He just turned eighty seven.
Oh I was pretty close. Yeah, he's eighty seven years old.
And the guy was like basically doing the like Fox
Network like boss's job better than he did by saying,
you want fans to be interested, you have to you

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have to make this about the entire race. You have
to make it about where the guys are racing on track,
not just about who's leading. Amazon took that the heart
and they did something with that at least for four
and a half of five races, right, And so it'll
be interesting to see if that has a lasting impression
into TNT and NBC. And you know, we talked about

(17:24):
this before and you were pretty pessimistic about NBC and
I am too, But it'll be interesting to see how
TNT tackles it. And then the other thing for me
is we saw in the numbers definitively that Amazon Prime
was losing old people that don't have the service, but
they were gaining younger people as a result. Will those

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younger people then move over to TNT and check it
out as the series goes through the next five races.
I don't know. I'm not terribly optimistic about that, but
maybe it'll happen.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Here's the numbers for that, and I don't know if
you saw these, I did not for this race. Okay,
final tally sixteen percent overall decline of viewership for Prime
as expected to go streaming, only thirty six percent decline
in fifty five plus. Okay, but it's all set across
the board. Double digit gains in twelve to seventeen, eighteen

(18:20):
to thirty four, eighteen to forty nine, and twenty five
to fifty four. Yeah, yeah, and that sports media watch.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
That for me is going to be the really curious part,
like can that or will that carry over to what
we get when we win, you know as tant takes over,
And I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure either. And I see a
lot of people in the comments also talking about them
just watching HBO Max and the driver cameras. Those numbers
don't get taken into account with the Amazon numbers. So
if people are just watching the in car cams, how
to you know, what are the those numbers and why
aren't they being reported? Yeah? Like very interesting situation, I mean,

(19:05):
but but I think I think this is a good
step in the right It's a step in the right direction,
I think, And I think that in the grand scheme
of things, NASCAR is going to see this and be like, Okay,
now this, now we get we gotta we got a
partnership that gave us a billion sum of dollars and
now we have the the because our own marketing team
can't do research, we have our own market research from
their numbers. Yeah, so we can figure out from there

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and move move here, there, everywhere and focus on this one.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, so yeah, it'll be it'll be very interesting to
see if the numbers shift, how much they shift. And
I don't know if we'll get the demo breakdowns or not,
because I just don't know if Cable TV, if those
Cable TV numbers that they release include that, Because so
I think these numbers from Prime are coming through Nilson,

(19:52):
I don't know. I don't know if they are not.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
I don't know how that's it's very possible.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It's very possible that Prime might be self reporting these
numbers and they would have a much better breakdow because
they know who's logging in, right, they know how many
people are logged in. They don't know how many people
exactly are watching where when you get the cable and
you get to broadcast TV, it's an estimate. They don't
know exactly how many people are tuning in. They have
an algorithm and they have a certain percentage of the
population that they survey and that's how they figure it out.

(20:18):
And so they know that those people that are writing
it down like their age. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I mean, here here's a breakdown, yeah, break it down
all right, So across the board, thirty six percent gains
in eighteen thirty four, nineteen percent gains in eighteen to
forty nine, and twenty eight percent games in twenty five to.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Fifty four ole, which is the money demo.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Viewership stored ninety three percent among teens twelve to seventeen
through a roll average of a mere fifty six thousand. Interesting,
so the growth am on young viewers was all set
by a sharp decline in older viewers, as the viewership
demo declined thirty six percent from one point seventy nine
to one point one four. Viewers fifty plus still made
still made up slightly more than half of the audience
fifty three percent, but that was a reduction from the

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five equivalent races last year, when they accounted for more
than two thirds seventy percent.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
That is wild, o my gou. NASCAR's debut fair better
relative to the prior year than the first season of
Amazon's NFL Thursday Night Football, which posted a sharper decline
of viewership minus twenty eight percent and modest gains in
eighteen to thirty four plus eleven percent. But again, that's
also when Thursday Night Football was also telecasted to I

(21:36):
think CBS on linear TV. Okay, so they did it
that way. But here's an interesting thing. Post race Oh yeah,
Prime Video averaged nine hundred and thirty one thousand viewers,
which is a retention of forty three percent of the
audience in the post race shows.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I mean, we don't know what that's what I don't.
We don't personally have those numbers for for network TV
or broadcast TV, and they I'm sure they exist, we
just don't have them. But that sounds pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Well, I mean you also have again you have you
have a full hour. You don't have to you're not
bumping up against top of the hour brideing on network.
So I mean that helps a lot. And I think
it also helps that they go right too, from the
winner's interview right to post rate people that grow to
the first commercial. So it's not like you go through
all the drivers in there and then you get drivers

(22:29):
on stage and you hear from in their natural habitat.
You get Ryan Fitzpatrick who shows up there and throws
up gears. It's a great time for.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, I you know, I will admit that I was
I was very nervous about how the actual people that
they picked would work out, and I thought that they
worked out great. I mean, no, not perfect, not perfect,
but I thought they did a really good job of
picking the proper personalities to give it a different vibe

(22:58):
than what we're used to with Fox and NBC.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Carl Edwards became a new star. Yeah, and I think
that he you know, I think he was the one
wild cards. He's like, you know, he's been out for
a minute. You know, he seemed to have like a
kind of a not great breakup with NASCAR in general, right,
and then he comes back and he's rejuvenated, and then
you know, now Corey Lejoey can go race for seventh
to your team.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Exactly for Rickware Racing Part two. Yeah, oh man, So yeah,
So that's that wraps it up for Amazon Prime. We
had to TNT this weekend starting with Atlanta, and then
we'll talk about the talk about the n Season Tournament
in a second here too. That's gonna come along with it.

(23:41):
But uh, I don't have it queed up, and I
feel so bad, but the las man called it. Yeah,
that Dale Earnhardt Junior would win his inaugural race as
a crew chief in the x FEN of these series. Now,
I mean he did have Conry Zelich, so a little
bit of an advantage, but still we saw we saw perfectly.

(24:03):
We saw it perfectly illustrated in the Cup race the
next day. How a crew chief and those decisions to
make mid race and especially late in the race can
make all the difference whether you win or not. Because
even though even though Chase Brisco was fast, he was
fast in the first segment of the race as well,
but they could have easily lost that race by making

(24:27):
the wrong strategic decisions in the end. And so the
crew chief, the crew chiefing is not easy, especially at
a place like Pocono. And Junior did it. Man, you know,
all the credit in the world to him. That is impressive.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Even with the Dale with Kyle Busch talking issue about him,
what did these say? Kyle Busch made some remarks like, oh,
let's not go too crazy. He's not doing anything. He's
not reinventing the wheel. He's just sitting up on the
box just chill out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Wow, I would invite him to do it too. It's
not like they didn't have a plant strategy. I'm sure
they had a plant strategy, but there's always those decisions
that you end up having to make that. I mean,
the drivers don't think about you know.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Well, well, Kyle walked it back like this, and this
was I kind of agree with him. He should have
said it this way. Is like the amount of communication
that goes on between the suspended crew chief and who's
ever on top of the box for sure, well, by
and large, bigger than anything they've had in the past.
So it's not like Dale Junior was kind of going
in blind. I'm sure he's had a little thing in
his ear. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
For sure, and they they had a plan like drawn
out for the race, Oh for sure. And then yeah,
you can absolutely go back to that person if you're
in like an A versus B situation and say, hey,
what do you think we should do? But it's still
hard to do. It's hard to win one of these
things in general. So to win it in your first

(25:48):
you know, time out, that's that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Now here's a question for the Cup race.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Does he end up becoming a crew chief for Tony Stewart? Yes,
this is the Darian Grubb question, right, yep. You win
one race is a fill in next thing? You know,
you got a career.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Was was it good? Okay?

Speaker 1 (26:09):
So I think that this one that there's a like
a little bit of room there for some debate because
I'm on I would be on the fence about it,
and I know that everybody else is way more optimistic
than I am. So I'm gonna say sixty one percent
said it was good.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
At a twenty one, eight hundred and thirty four votes.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
It's impressive number.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Forty eight percent said it was good. Go wow, that's
a that's an interesting it's an interesting topic.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
There, that is absolutely interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
So that's a that's part of the y F. Gluck
scientific version. Someone also in the comments said, can we
just put an okay option in there?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
See, that's the thing is that it's a it's a
yes or no question, and there is something in between,
because you know, to say that Pocono was not good
where if it came down, if I had to break
one way or the other and that one, I would
probably have voted no. Right, But is it as bad

(27:16):
as some of the races we saw earlier in the season. No,
But that doesn't mean it was good, especially when we
were coming off some really good races leading into this one.
By comparison, it just wasn't the same. So, like I said, personally,
I would lean toward no. But that doesn't mean it
was like terrible. It just meant that it certainly wasn't
as good as the previous two or three races that

(27:37):
came before it.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Yeah, no, not at all, but interesting point. And again
I think rain lay probably helped people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
definitely something to do with it.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, all right, So in the wake of this NASCAR standings,
we already talked a little bit about the winners of
the season. But William Byron keeps the top spot, he
loses a little bit. He's now up by fifty four
over Kyle Larson. Denny Hamlin is seventy eight back in third.
Then you get Christopher Bell and the winless Chase Elliott.
Those guys are seventy nine and eighty points out in

(28:12):
fourth and fifth, respective, respectively. And then the rest of
the top ten Blainey Reddick, Chastain, your winner Brisco in
the top ten in points, and then Joey Logano down
at the bottom of the top sixteen. Like you mentioned earlier,
Josh Berry, the in and out Josh Berry back in
now he's sixteenth, and so that means that the only

(28:33):
driver with a win outside of the top sixteen is
the aforementioned Shane ben Gisbergen, who is thirty freaking first.
So the cut driver because it's not just Barry, but
there's somebody above him that has a win. The driver
immediately above him has a win as well. That would
be Austin Cindric is fifteenth, so and then fourteenth is out.

(28:53):
Fourteenth is Ryan Priest, but he's out because of SVG.
So that means that the cut driver is now Alex
Bowman in thirteenth, and he is twenty points ahead of
Ryan Priest for fourth or fourteenth, and then he's nine
points behind Bubba Wallace. So even though like that window
has slid up in the standings, it's still very very close.

(29:16):
I mean, you've only got twenty nine points between Bubba
Wallace and twelfth, who's in Bowman on the cut line,
and then Ryan Priesce the first driver who's out, and
that's easily able to be made up in a race,
and Chris Busher is only a couple of points ahead
of Bubba Wallace too, so we still have a pretty
close battle right around that cut line. It's just that

(29:36):
the cut line has moved because we've got more winners.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah. It's a shifting, shifting thing all the time. Yeah,
always twirling twirling tour.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah. And we already said this. Prisco is our eleventh
winner of the season and seventeen races nine to go
before the playoffs, and a couple of big name drivers
that still have not won a race yet this season.
All right, let's move on to NASCAR news. We got
a couple of big ones to start things off.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Boy, and I found one that I do not see.
Oh in your no, it's here.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Okay. The NASCAR lawsuit we had, we had a couple
of things happen here. Number one twenty three eleven in
front Remoter Sports followed emotion to dismiss NASCAR's countersuit against them,
where NASCAR said that they were colluding basically and accused

(30:31):
them of being a monopoly, which really is kind of
how things go nowadays, mostly in politics. If you're the
one doing the thing, you just accuse the other person
of doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You're not bombing Iran, we're bombing bombing.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
You're you're bombing it exactly that that kind of thing,
And so that's when NASCAR is done, because let's face it,
that's their playbook too. And strangely enough, the judge did
not throw out that countersuit yet, so that's got to
be tried at some point as well. And then I

(31:06):
believe it was during that that the that the judge
was like, can't you guys just freaking figure this crap out?
Like why are you doing this to yourselves? But maybe
that was the last meeting that they had in front
of the judg.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Wary says like that seems to be a running theme
every exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So then the other thing in the much wider scope
issue here is the discovery process. So both twenty three
eleven slash FRM and NASCAR want to see team financials.
They both have their own uses for those team financials
and making their case, but apparently NASCAR was NASCAR was

(31:48):
like leading the charge to file discovery against all of
the other charter teams to submit their financial records. Kligg
sat down with them and came up with an agreement
to offer some of their everybody else was like, hell, no,
I don't want to do that. And it's weird because
NASCAR is the one that is asking for the numbers.

(32:09):
But you would think, or I would think that those
numbers would help twenty three eleven inn FRM more than
they would help NASCAR. But I don't know, I think,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I don't know how that how that works. Yeah, in NASCAR.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
So a representative from all the teams said that revealing
these financial details would be quote catastrophic and quote put
them all in danger, in danger of what of getting bombed?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
It can, yeah, perfectly the utmost degree. Like what, I
don't know what the danger I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
And so here's a here's another parallel that that I
think that can be drawn based on NASCAR's comments in
the past. You know, they have leaned so strongly, not
so much recently, but in the last like you know,
five to ten years of wanting to be just like
the stick in ball sports, just like the stick and
ball sports. Well, guess what with these unions and these

(33:11):
collective bargaining agreements and the salary caps and the luxury attacks,
like you want to be like baseball, You can find
out how much these teams are all spending on their players.
In baseball, you can find it out. In football, you can,
I mean, their salary caps everywhere, like their books aren't
open open, right, But at least when it comes to

(33:34):
the player salaries and how much you're spending on it,
the major cost you know that is available, right, that
has to be made available. And so like how can
NASCAR say, oh, we want to be like a stick
and ball sport and then the teams are like, oh no,
it would be catastrophic. Wou'd be in such danger if
people sell our financials.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I will give benefit of the doubt. You're talking about
players versus sponsors, and truth you're not taking in, like
the salary cap doesn't equate for bats or sticks or
gloves or anything.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, and I suppose, I suppose you could be in
the situation where like you know, Joe Gibbs Race, perfect example,
Joe Gibbs Racing just got kings Hawaiian on the eleven car.
Well you know, kings Hawaiian was coming off of RFK,
and so RFK doesn't want like anybody to know how

(34:25):
much less they were getting paid, or maybe they were
getting paid more. But if you're if you're another sponsor, right,
and you see how much how much King Swain was
paying either of those organizations, then you as a sponsor
can say, well, wait a minute, is what we're paying
in line with that system?

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Are we overpaying? Are we underpaying? Could we go to
another team and get a better deal. Could we be
on a better performing car for the same amount of
money or less? And so I can understand how that
could create issues with sponsors and contracts and things.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Kevin and I think that that's the catastrophical much. Yeah,
but I do see where it's like your pass pro
shops like, well, I'm paying Gibbs this amount and I'm
paying RCR this amount, and RCRS is like, wait a minute,
why why are we getting short changed here? And they'd
be like, come on, come on, guys, you know why
are you sure it change here? And Richie each other's like, no,
I sent four billion things over to the Ukraine with

(35:20):
bullets and stuff. Why I am getting short changed here?
And he's like, come on, look at your prosper So
I mean that could be a big thing too, is
you could stand off because there's teams that have multiple
you know, there's multiple sponsors on multiple teams, So I
mean that could be in there. But I mean it
with the terms and conditions, it's not that bad. In
the grand scheme of things.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
So in the end, what the judge did is they
ordered he I don't know who it is, ordered that
the teams would need to disclose some of their books,
but ask for a very narrow set of financial documents.
And oh and this is the judge that said he

(36:00):
can just say, why you doing this? He said, and
I quote, I'm amazed at the effort going into burning
this house down over everybody's heads. But I'm the fire marshal.
I'll be here in December if need be. And the
if need be thing is was part of his suggestion
that maybe you guys should just sit down and figure
this ish out.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And then he said, let me tell you something and
then went over and said something on fire like fire
Marshal Bill from a Living Color in that early nineties.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Hilarious, I said to you in our emails back and forth.
The more this goes on, the more.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
This favors NASCAR, because it looks like twenty three eleven
and in front Row are just crazy people, because especially
now with the charter teams fighting back and me like,
I don't want to show you all this money. Yeah,
like that that seems to be It seems that the
longer this drags out, the more it favors NASCAR because
it it makes the people who are trying to put
the suit from you know, the twenty three eleven frms

(36:59):
I a little crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, it and it is a little bit of the
divide and conquer too, Like you had the feeling initially
that those two teams were kind of taking the bullet
for everybody else, and so in a situation like this,
you would expect during discovery that all the other teams
would be like, well, we don't want to sue NASCAR,
but it's not like we don't want to help you win.

(37:24):
So here's what you need. So for them to fight back,
it's creating that division that makes it easier to conquer.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just like, no, you set these guys
apart and we put this in their brain away they.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Go, yeah, exactly so, and then did you add this
hero or did I put this in here? But so
the final terms that the judge mandated after, how do you.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Not hold on? How do you not remember putting a
three paragraph prop lawyer brother?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Because I didn't realize that for some reason, I didn't
remember that there was this much detail. Miche oh no, no,
look at it. At it I am remembering this, okay,
all right, all right, all right, So this is how
they're going to do it to avoid the catastrophic life
endangering situation where giant bombs are dropped on their facilities.
So each team is going to provide top line financial data,

(38:18):
so total revenue, total costs, and net profits and loss,
and then that information is going to be uh going
to be divided out by by by the number of
cars that that team fields, chartered cars that that team fields,
so then you'll get a list of average per car. Right.

(38:38):
Then they're going to take all the names off, so
it's going to be anonymous. So once it's you know,
submitted in court and released to the public as part
of you know, the lawsuit, then all we'll ever get
to see is a list of numbers of here's our revenue,

(38:59):
our costs, and then profit loss. But we're not going
to know which team is which. We'll be able to
make some inferences, right, We'll know that the higher dollar
teams are going to be your Hendrick and your Gibbs
and stuff like that, but we're not going to know
exactly which is which there, and we're not going to know,
you know, with the smaller teams, which one is which,

(39:19):
and that information is going to go back at decades,
so all the way back to twenty fourteen, and it
would just be full time the operations associated with fielding
a full time car in the Cup Series, so not
like engine programs or non racing activities or non Cup
Series activities like Exfinity. The average per car information from

(39:41):
each team would be provided by the teams to a
neutral accountant. They're going to do all the math and
then they're going to create the spreadsheet and submit it.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, that's smart because you don't want anybody dicking with
those numbers and so like.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
For the first time in the entire process, somebody, and
of course it's going to be the judge because you know,
NASCAR in twenty three eleven won't be this way. Somebody
is being logical and saying, fine, if your problem here
is you don't want people to see your individual financials
to be able to compare like contracts and stuff, we
don't need the contracts. We just want to know who's
making money and who's not, and how many teams are

(40:19):
making money and how many teams aren't.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
How much, how much is the money you're getting, and
that's all we need. We need to know.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
And those two things, how much it's costing each team
per car, right, and how many teams are making money
and how many are losing money? Those are going to
be the two interesting things that we get from from
this report. Once, once the discovery is filed, what's all
publishing right to go exactly, so we'll know if a
majority of the teams are losing money. And I will

(40:46):
venture a guess that the majority of the teams, when
they break it down this particular way, are probably going
to be either losing money or pretty close to not
making a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
No, No, it's gonna it's gonna be very it's gonna
be that whole thing about Jeff Gordon saying we've lost
money and we're one of the most.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, and you know he kind of telegraphed that anyway,
so I don't think we should be surprised by that.
The other thing that I think will be very, very
interesting is what the true disparity is between the best
cars and the worst cars, because we're not going to
know if they're Hendricker Gibbs. But let's face it, like
a Rickware Racing car isn't going to be at the

(41:22):
top of the list in terms of the most money, right,
so we know that those best ones are going to
be good ones, but just how much more are they
bringing in and spending than the as you know, the
also rants at the bottom of the field. That'll be
an interesting thing to find out here too.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
I don't know either of those things will be terribly
pertinent to the lawsuit, but for us it'll be.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Interesting and be like, hmm, this is why you know,
this is why were racing is the way they are. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, And then then that brings us to with this
whole charter thing and money to the next story, which
is a heavy dose of small team drama. Just announced today.
I was like, wait a minute, what is that headline say?
Rickware Racing is set to be sold two of all people,

(42:11):
TJ Pusher And if you're not quite sure who he is,
he was one of the original founders of Spire Motor Sports,
which he sold his last remaining interests Inspire last year.
He's been a consultant for a while, I guess, and
he came to an agreement to buy Rickware Racing. Now
the interesting part about TJ is that the consulting work

(42:34):
that he's been doing and the reason that he got
into the sport in the first place and created Spire.
In fact, we should probably rewind to there. So he
was hired by front Row or by Furniture Row. Sorry,
he was hired by Furniture Row to help them sell
their charter. When that team shut down, Martin Truck's junior

(42:55):
had to leave, right so they hired him to basically
be the broker around to try and find somebody to
buy it. He could not find anybody to buy it
at a six million dollar valuation, and so after pedaling
it to everybody and not getting any takers, he was like,
you know what, I think there's some money to be

(43:15):
made here. So I'll buy the charter and I'll buy
the most of the contents of your team, and I'll
run the team. And so he created Spire Motorsports. And
then he realized really quickly that I mean a people
took notice that this person who wasn't a team owner
before could just buy their way in, and the value

(43:36):
of being able to just buy your way in became
a thing. But Pusher realized pretty darn quickly that you
could use, you could work within the parameters of NASCAR's
charter rules to make a lot of money. And so
he started leasing charters out and then getting them back,
and now, of course you can't lease him again, and

(43:58):
so he would sell him and buy somebody else, and
then he would lease that out a couple of years,
or sorry, lease that out for a year, and then
use it a year for his car, and then sell
it and buy another. And so even though technically it
was Spire Motorsports and they were a race team, for him,
it was just like kind of a cottage industry speculating
on these NFTs at are charters, and they made a

(44:20):
lot of money. At one point they have four. I
don't know how many they have now too, I guess.
And as the people surrounding the team got more and
more serious about racing, about trying to make the team
good and get a guy like Carson Joseovar, then Pusher
was like, oh, well, if they want to use the
charters all the time, there's no way for me to
skim money off the top. And so he sold all

(44:42):
his interest and guess what, now, he buys somebody else.
The main other team that was doing the same thing.
I mean, Rick Ware was doing the exact same thing,
buying and selling charters, moving him around from team to
team with leasing making money, and that's what he was
in the process of doing with this lawsuit with Legacy Motorsports.
He was doing that same thing. He just wanted to

(45:05):
lease out one next year to RFK because you can
only do it once, get it back, and then sell it.
And if you want to keep doing it, he will
find another one to buy. But instead pushers like, well,
I'll take over that process for you. And so that's
what he's gonna do. I think that's what he's gonna do.
And I think that's supported by the fact that in
his comments he said that he was buying back into

(45:28):
the sport because he thinks that charters are massively undervalued
and that he thinks that charters should be trading it
somewhere around seventy five million dollars or more. Right, And
so for me, it's like it's like the Classic It's
like the meme coin thing. Right, He's buying in and
then trying to trying to pump it up by saying, yeah,

(45:51):
I can buy this for thirty five or forty million,
But it's gonna be worth twice as much. It's gonna
be worth more than twice as much, so you better
like buy now before it's too late. So then he
could just start turning around of buying and selling charters,
buying and selling charters and making a little bit off
the top here and there. And we're not talking about
like when I say a little, I mean we're talking
millions and millions of dollars. So I think that basically
what he's gonna end up doing is Rickware Racing is

(46:13):
not going to get any better. And they're already keeping
Cody Ware, and they're keeping Rickwear on as like to
run the team or something. And so if they're keeping
cody Ware, they are not serious about performing. They're just not.
And so I think that this is just another front
for him to get back in the game and buy
and sell charters and lease out and get back charters
to try to just skim millions and millions and millions

(46:36):
off of this non franchise system.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Yeah, it's when you have somebody out there and you
look at DJ Push, he looks like a guy who
sells Niko. Yeah he does, And I mean he's just
he's you know, putting that number out there, it's like, no,
you're not any If you value the thing, it's only
as valuable as someone's worrying the pay for it, right,

(47:01):
and someone's if any of these teams wised up and realized,
we don't got any there's nobody here, we can just
run this damn race. I think I think the big
thing run this team just they won't get the money
that comes with having a charter. Sure, but at the
same time, it's like, it's not a necessity to run
a race. You can just go right and field the car. Yeah,

(47:25):
it's not. It's not rocket surgery, Like you can go
ahead and just do that. But these teams are so
caught up in the fact that they, oh, we got
to have this thing so we can make this money.
And it's like, dude, listen, if somehow, by a miraculous judgment,
the twenty three eleven Front Run Motorsports wins, this charter
system is probably going to go down the crapper anyway,
and then TJ. Pusher is looking to sell off whatever

(47:46):
parts he hasn't that's exactly well, let me ask.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
You this, right, just like in in the I can't remember,
was it the Athletic or wherever this wherever this article
was about this, they were kind of crediting him with
kicking off this craze is buying and selling craze with charters,
and they might be right, I don't know. And the

(48:10):
fact that that it inflated the valuation to the point
where like he paid six million for that one and
nobody wanted it. And now you know, Legacy and Rickware
Racing are going to court to fight over a forty
five or forty nine or whatever million dollar I think
it's forty five million dollar charter, and which, by the way,
sounds very much like what Pusher's idea here is is

(48:32):
to is to basically grenade that contract in court it
by arguing that it's just it was written so poorly
and it was so confused by everybody that it can't
possibly be a binding deal. And his thought there is
that he's going to lease that charter that's in question
out to Ryan Priest next year and then get it
back in twenty twenty seven so he can own it
and do what he wants with it. And I'm sure

(48:53):
in the meantime try to pump up the value more.
But just like their editing. They were crediting him in
this article with like starting that craze of you gotta
have a charter and you got to pay big money
for it. I wonder if twenty three eleven in an
FRM do not win their appeal on the whole getting

(49:16):
to race as a charter team for this year, and
they have to be an open team, and then they
just say, okay, we'll just show up and keep running
because there aren't there aren't forty cars in the field anyway,
and they're doing okay. Do you think there's a chance
that if they show up and they're successful as an
open team, that it diminishes the value and the demand

(49:38):
for a charter because, like like for Legacy, for instance,
if Legacy feels like they have better cars than Rickware Racing,
or better cars than whoever may or may not be
showing up outside the top thirty six, and they have
a solid driver that they feel comfortable can make races,
you know what's to keep them from saying, you know what,

(50:01):
we're just gonna We're not gonna see you anymore. We're
just gonna tear up the contract. You keep your charter,
and we'll just show up and run, and that actually
would inherently start to deflate the value of charters because
a you'd have a glut of them in the market
because you had already have the twenty three eleven in
the FRM ones that are now unallocated, so it's even
less guaranteed spots in the field. And then you know

(50:26):
you don't have a full field of cars showing up anyway.
So as long as you can financially survive, you can
save all that money. And I think it would take
a big name team to run without charters to kind
of prove that. But once it's proven, I think it
could damp in the market. How much I don't really know,
but it could damp in the market for charters.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Plus if you look at it too in that way,
which I wholeheartedly believe with everything you say is correct,
because yeah, once a big team starts to do it,
and I think, honestly, the one big thing is they're
worried about sponsorship in the contracts stay write with their
sponsors tied to the charter. But that you know, I
don't specifics that go beyond what our scope is. But
I think you also too if if if they can't

(51:06):
run his charter teams. Those those four teams, I think
it's four the charters they have right now, twenty three
eleven f front row between them. Yeah, NASCAR owns those.
Well yeah, there's but how how much do you think
they're going to undercut a team like rick Ware Racing
to give Legacy Motor Sports a better deal?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Well, remember it's actually six because they they each bought
one of the Tony Stewart, the Stuart Haas ones.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yeah, so I mean think of NASCAR just that would
insanely dilute the market. Yeah, exactly, you have six, You
have six extra floating out there that NASCAR can NASCAR
can set the price, but they also kind of just
like we don't like what JT putt. Let's let's let's
put it at twenty five. And then if you set
that market at twenty five, oh, Lord.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Of Murphy, Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
That's that's really gonna that's really gonna put him over
the edge.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
And I don't think that NASCAR thinks about the potential
implications of that either, right, because they made these teams
sign these charter deals. Well, if you don't need a charter,
you don't have to sign a deal. And now maybe
from NASCAR's perspective, they're like, okay, fine, we just get

(52:17):
to keep extra money, and that is their main concern,
it's just keeping all the money. So maybe I'm just
talking in circles here, but if their idea is that
this charter system helps them keep control of the sport
by making people sign things, if two teams and six
cars next year are running as open teams and it's

(52:41):
not hurting them, and then so now and on top
of that, yeah, you have thirty six charters, but six
of those are unassigned, and so you only have thirty
cars charter teams showing up each week. That means there's
ten spots open on any given race. Like other teams
that might be wanting to expand might say, well, we'll
just try it for a while because we know there's

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this glot of charters out there, and if we get desperate,
we'll buy one. But if we're not, if we don't
get desperate, why.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Bother Exactly, if we're running the way we want to run, yeah,
under the cost, Now, well what's the problem.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Well, I think really the the the main takeaway from
here is that, just like you said, the longer we
go into this thing, the crazier it gets. I mean,
I think the longer we get into this thing, the
that that uncharted territory could bring with it, who knows
what kind of crap like it could get, like absolutely insane.

(53:37):
And I'm totally here with the popcorn to find out.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You know, I'm I'm I would love the idea of chaos.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, it could. Indeed, it's like trigger chaos.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
And why not, Like at this point, who cares? The
sport's been burning down for better part of a decade here,
so yeahs burn it all to the ground the hell
of it.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, exactly. So we'll see what happens with both of
those things from a practical stand point. With Spire and
if they ever get error sorry, with Recuaire Racing and
if they rename it and if he ever gets any
good and I don't think it will. And then more
importantly with this whole lawsuit thing. Sad news. I cannot,
I cannot believe this when I read it. Larry McClure,

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one half of Morgan McClure Motorsports, unfortunately passed away this week.
And it's wild because before this had to have been
more than five weeks ago, because I think it was
before they got to the Amazon races. We were talking
about like the current car, the rules, something like that.
And I just watched that video with Larry McClure where

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he was going through that X pipe exhaust car that
Sterling Marlin won the Daytona five hundred with the number
four Kodak car, and you know, he's going through it
and showing all the stuff that they did that was
kind of a little bit shady and talking about what
other people were doing to cheat. And this was only
three years ago that it was filmed, and he seemed
like totally like spry and fine and nothing going on.

(55:01):
So this was a bit of a shocker and it's
very sad for a legendary team.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yeah, yeah, another another giant of motorsports of years past
and creating so many drivers careers and and prolonging some
of their careers too. It's a hell of a thing.
I mean, yeah, Sterling Marlin was one of the big ones.
He kind of started propelling saying with Ernie Irvin was
a big guy that you know, they propelled on to
the greater things. So it was, uh, you know, a
very notable team and then started to dwindle down there

(55:29):
towards the end, but such as life. But yeah, a
heemuth and motorsports now gone. And but it also is
just like man, yeah, these guys, these guys are hanging
on and uh, you can't take them for granted and all. Honestly,
let's be honest. I mean you can't. You can't take
what these guys did and everything like that for granted.
And and you know, as much as we kind of
rag on the Hall of Fame and what little there

(55:51):
is there like a lot of stuff that they had
innovate innovation wise, you know, could be I have never
been there, so but it could be in there, and
it should be in there, and they should give See
if you want to do something with the Hall of Fame,
get some of these older owners mechanics, you know all
these guys do like a series where they just have
a night at discussion and just you.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Know where they sit down and talk about it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, like a town hall gimmick.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Yeah. I mean, they've got a great display in there
on like stuff that they've caught teams using along the year,
you know, throughout the years to cheat and and all.
You know, that was the best part about that Larry
McClure conversation is like they were they were talking about
he was talking about not really like blatantly cheating, but

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all those gray areas that they took advantage of and
all those grayer most of those grayers have really been
taken away at this point. And that was where the
innovation came in, and that's where the fun stories came in.
And he's just like talking about these things that other
teams were doing and they were doing and and that's
what made it fun. That's what made it interesting because
you just don't have that anymore. So, yeah, that would
be fun to to, Like they could sit them down,

(56:54):
have a discussion and film it and then guess what, NASCAR,
you got some easy content for your freaking channels.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Exactly. It's simple, simple content. We will take that advisor's
paycheck the order.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
All right. So as we move on to Atlanta this weekend,
we also get the in season Championship Competition tournament thing.
It starts so much. The seedings were announced after the
race last weekend, after Pocono, and yeah, you can fill

(57:33):
out a bracket, and I did do a bracket on
NASCAR dot com.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
I did you would Yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Well, I wanted to see the matchups right, and it's
weird because the matchups are wonky like because they didn't
do it based on points, because they did it based
just on finishes across those five races. Like there are
some guys that have like really strong matchups and then
some really poopy matchups to start off, Like like Denny
Hamlin gets to go up against Ty Dillon this week,

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I think we all know who's gonna win that one.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Also, here's the problem. They did one through thirty two,
and that's what they did right, right, but instead of
breaking up in two sixteens.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
But but again it wasn't points, right, it was it
was based on those finishes across those five races. And
so while you get Denny Hamler versus Ty Dylan, which
you would expect because Hamler's really good and Dylan's really
bad and so Hamlin's easily gonna move on, you also
in this round get Kyle Larson versus Tyler Reddick that
are both in the top ten in points right now,
and like, you want those guys to move further, You

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want those guys to be later in the tournament, but
you're not gonna get that because they're going up against
each other right now and then and then you get
like I'm looking here, like Ty Gibs versus Justin Haley,
both those guys well sixteenth and below, Michael mcdal versus A. J. Allmendinger.
Both those guys are in the twenties and points right now.
So there, it was a weird way to do it

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because you get matchups that you want to see later
on and you get them to start off. And I
don't think that makes things more interesting, or maybe it does.
Maybe for some people it does. Maybe they want to
see some like some big name matchups to go along
with your John Hunter Nimbachek versus Josh Barry.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Right, yeah, I don't get it. Just wake me up
when it's over and whoever wins with or.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Then of course we've got Kyle Busch versus Brad Keselowski,
otherwise known as the has.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Been Bowl, right exactly. It's the Seniors Tour, the Seniors Tour.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
So so I did go through the exercise, okay, of
of filling out a bracket because I wanted to see
how it might work out, right, because because the seatings
are so wonky, and in the first round, I just
went by like person VP, you know PvP. The only
one that was really hard was was Colarson and Tyler Reddick.

(59:53):
Really everything else was pretty straightforward that there was there
was a guy who you would expect to win to
Kyle Busch versus Brad KESELASKI one that that was a
little bit of a tough one too. And I don't
have my my bracket here in front of me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I wish I did.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
And then starting in the second round, I was like,
you know what, I'm gonna start looking at the stats
a little bit like the stats for these drivers at
these tracks, for the ones that feel close to me
right and the third round and the fourth round, I
was leaning heavily on their stats to get all the
way down to the final two. And my final two

(01:00:30):
were I believe. I want to say, let me seeing
if I if I can find it, we go to
NASCAR dot com. You know where that is, uh, because
it was Kyle Larson, And I want to say, like
Ryan Blainey or Denny Hamlin or somebody like that, and oh,
in season Challenge, here we go. You know, I'm not
logged in. I don't think how do I log in?

(01:00:51):
And I and so I again went straight straight by
stats and uh and Kyle Larson was was the winner. Hey,
I'm at that, so would I would I've necessarily picked
the collars and I don't think so. But but but
the stats lean towards lean towards uh, lean towards crap.

(01:01:12):
I'm trying to log in here, Kyle Larson, soone's trying
to let me see if it lets me in here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
All right now, it's okay, great, great from start.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
So I guess I got to do it all again.
I don't even know, great sis, I logged in with
Google and there's not let me do it. I don't know, Marion,
I don't know. Mary beats hell out of me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Good luck to everybody involved, all the teams except for four.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah, yeah exactly. So, so that's that it's going to
start off. And based on my statistical analysis, Kyle Larson
is your winner for that. Uh so he'll get a
million dollars. He'll have to work five weeks to get
a million dollars when you could just win the all
stories to get a million dollars work for one night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Right exactly. Yeah, school's bet doing this five race gimmick.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
And then I don't think this is official. I think
this is kind of like an insider report. But we've
gotten some statistics from somebody about that, Like NASCAR, like
they're calling it a rewards program. I don't know if
that's really what they're calling it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
A Fisher driver ambassador.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yah, yeah, the driver ambassador program. And uh, looks like
of all people, Joey Logano is your leader right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Doesn't make sense, It doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I don't remember Logano being all over TV or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
No, unless he's they're chalking up all those what is it,
all those own or whatever one he's on the uh
maybe maybe, but yeah, it's an interesting top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
And here's the weirdest part about that. Kyle Larson is
gonna have to run through five races to win a
million dollars in the nd season tournament. Yeah, he could
have just done it in one night, you know, at
the Koke six hundred. But he didn't even have to
beat anybody to win a million dollars because Joey Logano
reportedly got a million dollars just for going on TV
and yapping his face off. Yeah, and I get all right, So,

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and then the other people they talked about apparently, Kyle
Larson was second, Ryan Blaney was third. They notably in
the article mentioned that Daniel Suarez was fifth because of
all the all the hype he did for the Mexico
City race leading up to that. They never mentioned who
fourth was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
So top here's top five according to sports.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Oh okay, what do you got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Uh, Logano, Larson, Blaney top three, Ross Chestein four, oh,
Danny Swarez five, Chase Elliott six, William Byron seven, Kyle
Busch eighth, Austin Dillon ninth, Chase Brisco tenth. So very
interesting names.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
So do you think that, I mean, Joey Logano got
the most TV time and the idea here is that
they're trying to get their most popular drivers to promote
the sport as much as possible, help widen the net,
you know, keep people watching, get new people in the watch,
and Logano multi time champ, Larsen definitely one of the

(01:04:01):
most popular sport. Blaney, yes, I think the Chestain you
could argue, is one of the most popular drivers within
the sport, maybe not outside of the sport, and Tires
certainly has another country watching him. But do you think
that Logano for that million dollars. Do you think NASCAR
got their million dollars worth? I think is what I'm
going to ask here by Logano doing more interviews or

(01:04:22):
interviews for more time or more appearances, are getting more
TV and public time than any of those other guys.
Do you think that that, in a loane in of itself,
is has moved the needle in the first quarter or
first half of the year or whatever for NASCAR in
terms of viewership and fan support and stuff. Because I

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have a hard time believing that they got a million
dollars worth of value out of the extra time Joey
might have put in doing some interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
I mean you just look at the look at the
ticket sales and look at the ratings, like that's that's
your value there? Do you think it's it's is that
worth a million dollars that it bring more people in?
Did it bring them million dollars a million point one
point one million dollars into the system? We look, I
don't know. I mean I don't think he did. I

(01:05:10):
mean yeah, because because when you when you talk about this,
like I don't see a lot of drivers going out
there that much. And maybe it's because I don't have
my finger on the pulse of these guys of drivers
going out there and promoting things. But I don't see anybody.
I don't see NASCAR reposting anything about guys going out

(01:05:33):
and you know, promoting this, that or the other thing.
It's like, I would not expect Joey Logan to be
number one because I'm like, I don't see him as
a I don't see him as a guy who goes
out of his way to do media interviews. He does
when he's on there, he does do decent interviews, but
it's just like, I don't think he's you know, I
don't I don't see him giving a million dollars worth

(01:05:53):
of promotion, much less being on top of that to
get a million dollars worth of promoter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
And then I also I don't think it's clearly defined
exactly exactly what gets you points, right, because if you
get points by being on the Amazon Prime post race show,
there is some value there because it might keep people around,
But that's like you're talking to NASCAR fans already, right,

(01:06:19):
And so if you're if you're giving out a ton
of points to these guys because they're doing an interview
after the race or they're doing an interview on the
pre race show, or they're like doing an appearance, you know,
doing signing autographs at the track or something like that.
Like those are already NASCAR fans. It's kind of an
echo chamber that you're giving them points for. You're not
really reaching out beyond NASCAR, which is really the intended purpose.

(01:06:42):
You're just kind of, you know, cycling around the love
amongst the people who are already there. So I it'd
be very interesting to know exactly what they get points for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I would love that. I would love to see
the car to wait until that leaks and see what
they're getting judged.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
On it, because because if it's going down in the
community and doing like you know, signing events at stores
and and getting into the public and doing interviews on
local radio stations, that's different, right, That's different than just oh,
I was on the TNT post race siow, so I
get ten points for that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Yeah, and that's I gave an interview over a minute
and a half at Boom five points.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Right exactly, Because because A that's like you're talking to
the people who are already interested, and B it's not
a lot of effort to just walk over and sit
down at the table. Man, it's more effort to go
out in the community and do things or to you know,
go do a TV show and signing Sacramento or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah, go do signings at a racetracker, go go with
the go do those hero card things like they did
back in the Yeah, it's much harder to go do that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So that's that. With that, I'm down
to sponsors. I don't know if there's anything else that
I missed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
No, I think the only thing is they're promoting the
hell out of that baseball game at Bristol.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
I know, I don't understand why that's such a NASCAR thing.
It's at Bristol. I mean just because they from racist,
they're a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah, they're get They got people out there. Who's who's
ready for that that it'd be interesting to see it's
gonna come up. Uh what the hell is that that?
That's July or August? I think it's August.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
I don't know. Are they gonna have like any sealless
celebrities be the grand marshal or something for the baseball game.
They have grand marshals for baseball games.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Uh, throw out the first pitch.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, throw out the first pitch.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Yeah, August second, Braves and Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Interesting, like Willem Dafoe is going to show up and
throw out the first pitch because he's got like a
new sitcom or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, it doesn't say who's going to do what and where?
So good for them, you know what. Good for that
because I'd be interested to see if anyone can get
it out, get it out of the damn yard with
the way they have their their thing lined up, Like
how many how many foul balls are you gonna need?
Because they have like a temporary like mezzanine area and

(01:08:58):
then they have everyone else in the grands fans behind
in the racetrack area. I'm like, how how many people
you think are gonna come to this event?

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
I know, well, I mean more than NASCAR race, I'll
tell you that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Oh man, So it says here that Morgan Wallin's rhythm
guitar player is going to be performing before.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
No hold on, just sim no we fool the pre
one of a kind pregame concert You'll never forget. Yeah,
Tim mcgrawn, Oh wait wait, Tim McGraw and pip. Yes,
you're never gonna forget it, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
But if they're on stage together, you will not forget it. No,
you will not forget.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
There's a stage down the third baseline they're setting up
for this whole line.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Gosh wow. Tim McGrath is still kicking man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Apparently he's had some work done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
He's definitely had some work done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Jake Owens, Timothy, Wayne, Raina Robertson, Adam Bleck will be
on board during the speeded The fan Zone, the Speedway
Classic Fan Zone, including the Commissioner's Trophy, one hundred and
ten foot ferris Wheel, the MasterCard Food Truck Row featuring
local tennis se cuisines, pitching tunnels and batting cages. MLB
MMB network line broadcasts set Brandon MLB stock cars for

(01:10:14):
photo opportunities, The Legacy Walk exhibiting great players from the
Reds and Braves, twenty business partners hosting brand active activations,
the Budweiser Clydesdale a Beer Garden team mascots, and ESPN's
fifty States in Fifties Days broadcasts set and there also
looks like there's going to be simulators in junk set
up there too, so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Like, is Rebecca Black going to be there too?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I hope it's not Friday, though it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
It's not on a Friday unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
How much do you think this cost?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
I mean with all that and plus they got to
build a field in there. I mean MLB is probably
spending like what eight nine mil on it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah, So if I if I were to tell you, hey, listen,
I got a game day package. Yeah, that's my package.
You get infield seating available, Oh okay, yeah, obviously you
get a ticket for it. You get pregame hospitality, all
inclusive food and drink, the interact I like the interactive
games in entertainment. You get timmigral pregame concert and a

(01:11:18):
dedicated on on site staff. How much do you think
that will run?

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
You? Like, and that's for like one ticket or you
gotta buy like a suite or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
That is one ticket per person occupancy. It's in the infield,
you're having a time, you're not out with the with
the ham and Eggers out there, and like turn four.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
I mean, you gotta be talking over a g and
so I would pay like I think that they would
charge like about like about fourteen ninety five a ticket,
unless you want something personally autographed by Pitbull, in which
case it will calls fifteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
You're a little high five.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Oh okay, all right, all right, all right, hopefully hops
that comes with the pit Bull thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Yeah, I mean that that's that's like a bloop single package.
The grant, the home run package they got, home run
package they got. You get to stay in Knoxville.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Oh wow, well, I mean double the price easily.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Two nights, two nights Knoxville. Check in on Friday, checkout Sunday.
You get on field photo opportunity, You get the pregame hospitality,
You get de Luxe round trip transportation to knox Hill. Yeah,
you get the official MLB Speedway Classic Commemorative gift. You
get the Tim mcgral concert. And if you're in the

(01:12:42):
special seating of one one o one to one nine
or three oh one to three oh five, you get
floor access to that. Get the concierge ser service.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
You gotta have the concierge man.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah, how much do you think that costs? I mean
includes a room and travel that it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Got to be like about like just shy at twenty
five hundred bucks, like twenty four ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Five, close twenty three fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Twenty three fifteen, or I like the fifteen part.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, that's for double ocumency. Once you get to quat
four guests per room, that's twenty one sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
It only comes down a couple hundred bucks. Oh my gosh,
come on, man.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Per per person.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Yeah, I know, right, wow, man, they're really they're really
selling it by saying you get to stay in downtown Knoxville, right, exactly,
sign me up, man, go to the weeks for your baby.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
God, I wonder what single game tickets are going for.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
I definitely want to hang out for a night or
two in Knoxville.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
All right, why wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
All right, hold on lording it up so you can
you can dead straight away enter field. This has turned two.
Like you're you're about you're probably about another like two
hundred feet away from the fence. Sixty four fifty is
what tickets are starting at.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Sixty four dollars and fifty cents. Yes, okay, okay, that's
like that's like concert prices when you're sitting at the back.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Yeah, so like the seating chart here, I mean, it's
not that bad, right, you're right, you're right next to
the batter's eye, but you're right behind the batter's eye.
So that's probably what's giving you. That's what goovy yump.
If we go to the other section, uh yeah, sixty
four to fifty and standard emission. Holy crap, standard that

(01:14:38):
got bad for standard admission.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Yeah, I guess not. The weird thing here is I'm
looking at how far a Knoxville is away. It's two
hours by car.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
That's why you got the deluxe transportation base.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
So man, you need the deluxe transportation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, it could be a helicopter for that price. Though
tickets are going what hold on? You can get down
the first baseline next to the braves dugout. Yeah, six
hundred and forty four to seventy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Whoa wait a minute, seven six hundred and you're twenty
five dollars sixty yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
And you're so damn close to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
I was gonna say, you should be like in the
dugout for that that amount of money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
You're closed, you're right beside it. So but again, that's
that's that's probably where the MLB and NASCAR is getting
the money, you know, from those seats.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Anyway that happens next month, we'll talk about it then afterwards.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Yeah, apparently it's the big thing in the NASCAR world,
which is strange.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, weird. All right, let's get to let's get to
some sponsor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah. So uh zuomo zumo. Everybody is just like last
week we had a founding partner for Chicago. They're also
now a founding partner for the Chicago street Course sets
and it's thirty year now. I don't understand how that works.
I don't get that at all, Like, what is that?
How are they a founding partner when they were there

(01:15:57):
when it was founded? Oh, man with a big Chicago
tie in to Paul University will be on the number
seventy one Michael McDowell car in two weeks at the Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
Street Course three three weeks. Now, there's another car that
Chicago got a Chicago Street Cars flare that you did
not check.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
What is that one?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
The Kyle Busch Slurpey Car.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
Oh, there's a Slurpey car.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Slurpy Car is going to be on Kyle Busch's number
eight for the Chicago race.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
I'm looking it up right now. Come on, show me
the slurpey car. Here we go, Here we go, Here
we go. I need a bigger version of that picture. Please.
Oh look at it. Oh it says slurpey and like
the slurpey letters on the side. It's not it's not bad.
It's not bad at all. No, it's got a slurpy

(01:16:49):
on the hood.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Well, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
I think that that's pretty good. We also have a
Sonic and Grillos Pickles on the number fifty four Tig
Gibbs card Atlanta. Were they not just on that car?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Yeah, they were on another car. I think they were
on the thirty eight. But Gorillas is doing something with
Sonic with their pick pickle summer menu.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha? And then the Big Shock or
Kings Hawaiian done. I guess for the time being at
r FK they're moving over to number of the number
eleven Deny Hamlin car and Joe Gibbs racing for the
Atlanta race this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah, no no details on how if that's gonna be
like taking over for the six car and they're just
gonna keep that going. If it's going to be just
a one off. We we don't really know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
They joined they joined in January? Well they did, okay,
all right, yeah, brings Hawaiian the first manifestation of that then,
I suppose. Yeah, so interesting, very interesting. So there we go,
which brings us then to Atlanta. And by the way,

(01:18:01):
the sponsorship four Cup Series events.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Okay, all right, all right, so that's kind of like
taking over for that six car deal. Yeah, and and Hotty,
Oh what's this?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
We got forty for reels or zero, including Corey Hoy,
David Star, BJ McLeod, and Connor ZILLIDJ Star. Are you
kidding me? David Starr, J MCLEODJ McLeod did, But David Star,
they are by the Steam Driver, Yeah they are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
David Starr is still in the league, isn't he like forty?

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
ID he's probably older than forty kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
I think he is older than forty. Uh, David Star.
David Starr's oh, professional wrestler. David Star, Like, what the hell?
He's not thirty four fifty seven? Holy moly's fifty seven
years old? Yeah? If there apparently there is a wrestler
named David Starr who gets top billing on Google. And

(01:18:56):
I was like, what do you mean? He's thirty four
years old, like you must have started driving he.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Was eight exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Oh Man fifty seven years old, has David Starr. So
he drove at Darlington with Joey Gase Motorsports in the
in the X Series once this year, finished twenty sixth
in that race. This will be his first race of
this year. His only Cup race last year was at

(01:19:24):
Martinsville for NBM Motorsports, finished thirty seventh, and then he
did a couple of races in twenty twenty one for
NBM in a variety of car numbers. Best finished twenty third,
but most of the finishes were thirtieth or worse. Interesting,

(01:19:44):
didn't it when he okay?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Like trucks for like a second, Yeah, yeah, back in
the early days of trucks, he was good. He was
gonna I think he's in the number seventy five Spears truck.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Spears Motorsports. Yeah. He won, won a
race for them, won a race for Red Horse, yeah,
top five, and the championship that year that he moved
over to Red Horse. Just that first year, the only year,
oh they went back to Red Horse, but didn't didn't
really pan out as well. Yeah, yeah, so he was
primarily a truck driver but decent and the truck series

(01:20:13):
just never translated to the Cup series. So wow, David Starr, Wow,
holy crap.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, that's crazy. He was part of Randy Moss Motorsports
truck Holy crap. Wow, geez amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Well, anyway, that brings us to the only good thing
on NASCAR dot Com, which was subsequently ruined and they
made it okay again, the paint scheme preview on NASCAR
dot Com. And we have eby two paint schemes to
pick from here, quite a few, a couple couple of repeats,
lottery repeats this time around. But is there anything that
sticks out to you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Right off the bat? The aforementioned David Starr and the
w NB factory wings Burgers ten des What a car
number is that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Oh wow, there is a lot happening on that car. Yeah,
there's a lot happening.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Yeah. So it's a it looks like it's a it's
a Buffalo Wild Wings knockoff.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
It does. And I think the W and w NB
is not the first three quarters of w n B A.
I think the W stance for Whiz Khalifa because that
car is definitely black and yellow, black and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Yellow, that's true. I ain't look at that, look at
that sharp sharp What do we got here? And I
will scroll button two point all the way down to
the Xfinity series, and you know what, we love them,
We love them on the show. Give me that justin
alguy Er Peanut car Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
I like that they switched it up with the peanuts
in Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
I dig that one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
So there's that one. I think there was. Was there
one truck that I saw a down the squirrel truck?
I thought I saw one. They all look the same
as the prowl.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah, there's not a lot of variation in those truck schemes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Well, the trucks. The truck series is owned by like
four people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
I will give about a shout out to the thirty
two in the truck series Dale Quarterly with what I'm
reading is Van.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Dick yay, pretty sure probably is.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Recycling.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
So you know what, I'll stick with the X Give
me the Garrett smith Ley T three vodka because I mean,
you know, they're gonna get good reception into their into
their internet. They're gonna get a good T three line
that it's gonna be it's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
That that car has some like like kind of cool
muted colors to it, colors you typically don't see on
a paint scheme, for for a cup car, for a
NASCAR car.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, no, I think it looks sharp. I mean the
cream color and the blue really all set each other.
Theives that very like constitutional vibes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Yeah, yeah, it is is a little understated. I dig
that one too. For me, I'm gonna go oh. In
the X series, the number eighty eight counter Zilich hitting
up the Blues Hog.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Everybody, Oh, blues Hog. It's the It's the X rated
version of blues Glues exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
You got the Blues Hog up there to go with
Van Dick and I like the blue and the red.
The rad I guess supposed to be like sauce. It's
barbecue sauce. And on the hood. I had to look
this one up because I wanted to see what was
on the hood. There are like two like pigs dressed
like up up like the Blues Brothers playing blues.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
So man, they still have from Red Hot and Blue
they did.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
That's the thing. I was like, Oh, it looks so
much like Red out and Blue I'm totally down with it,
oh man. So I'll go with that one, and then
we'll move up to the Cup Series, and then the
Cup Series, I will go with what do I want?
What do I want? What do I want?

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
I will go with, oh man, there's pretty good ones.
Honorable mention to the Chase Elliot designed a drive car.
We talked about that one before. That's a fun car
that a kid designed in the pediatric hospital. But I'm
gonna go Zane Smith thirty eight ERNs just because Aerons

(01:24:13):
is in the race and it's a Lucky Dog Ford,
so you gotta have the lucky dog on the side. There,
you got lucky dog. And then I think my favorite
this week is Chris Buchure with the cinnamon toast crunch car.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Yeah, and uh mostly because.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
The cinnamon TOAs guy with his tongue sticking out in
the back. I did check out the hood of that one,
and they should have featured that like crazy cinnamon toast
crunch thing more prominently on the hood.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
It is on the bumper though, and it says my
dust or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Oh that's okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
And then own the driver panel they have they renamed
the Cinnamon Toast Chris, did they really? Yeah? Yeah, that's
on the car. He'll be Cinnamon Toast, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
Then I'm feeling even better about that. Oh wow, look
at that. You can pre order on Lionel Racing dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Of course you can.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
For one hundred and thirty one dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Holy crap, they got they got the branding, brother, Wow,
they got it. They got to pay the Cinnamon Toa's crunchman,
I guess. So. Shout out to honorable mentioned Danny Squarez
in that Quaker state that is a different Quicker state
with the lighter green.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
We finally hopefully get to see it this time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Yeah, it looks like the old Concco car.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Yeah, because I remember he was running a very similar
scheme in the X Series in Mexico City. But then
they been the car and they had to pull out
the backup and they it wasn't logoed up, or it
wasn't painted. They logoed it, but it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Wasn't painted, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Yeah, So we finally get to see that one in
person or a version of it, so that'd be good. No,
and I dig that car too. I think it's a
I think it's a better take on a Quaker state
than well, has there been another quake? I don't think
there's been another Quacker stake car. I think that's just
what they've been doing. I think I'm thinking of the
Castle car, that it's doing a better job than the
Castle car. But yes, definitely with that color green, definitely

(01:25:57):
has shades of concco.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Yeah yeah, shout out round Horney thing exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
All right? So picks, Oh my gosh, we got to
do pick. So last week, who out of our crappy
finishes did better?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I finished? I finished four spots ahead of you because
you crash out of the race with bubble gotcha?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Gotcha? Gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Right? So you get all forty, including David Starr and BJ.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Do we not have a side bet on what's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Too? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
It was yes because he was down in the thirties,
but I don't I don't know if he was on
my side.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
He was your thirty fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
What wasn't thirty second?

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
The breaking point for that, that pick thirty thirty two
was the break? Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, you were one away,
so I mean it's easy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah, So I get the full field of forty cars
to pick from here, man, we're going to hot Atlanta. Everybody,
oh man, And this is like the drafting Atlanta, So
it's like the poop Atlanta. Like it literally anybody could
win him as well. Take Michael McDowell type of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
You're here to hear, folks by Michael mac that late?

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
What well, No, I'm saying that that you know, it's
one of those types of races where you might as
well take a guy like Michael McDowell because it's basically
just a plate race type of thing. Oh am, I
gonna take it this one? Who am I gonna take?
Just looking at the past couple of races here, if
they're there, over the past couple of races here, Wow,

(01:27:26):
there have been a lot of races here with Chris
Bell Man, it's been all over the place because of
the type of racing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yeah, but last last when they were here earlier in
this year, you picked Logano when I picked Blaney, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
And Logando had won here before, and then Bell you
won that race, and then before that was Suarez and Byron.
I mean it's all over the board man.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Ship.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Give me, give me Chris Busher, Okay, give me that
Cimento scrunch car.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Hell yeah. I've picked him twice this year. He's one
and one for me, and I think he's gonna get
this one. Give me a chase Elliott. Oh yeah, that's
a good pick for this one speed race. Yeah, Atlanta,
close to Dawsonville. That'll be bringing siren or wherever the
hell it is. Yeah, go from there. Uh I bet

(01:28:12):
is Corey Joy out of the broadcast booth into the
fire right?

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Okay, so it is for require racing, so just keep
that in mind. But we've seen, like with Parker Kligerman,
I think he became a better driver after he started
doing commentary because you know, talking through it you kind
of you learn stuff you know, and then talking to
other people you learn stuff out of forty cars. I
can't believe there are forty cars, but it's forty car

(01:28:40):
field that has be J McLeod very excited to see
what Connor Zilich does. Drrian Grubb one win wonder well.
I mean at first he was on the box, so
maybe maybe this is the path for Dylan Heart Junior.
I'm gonna say for Corey Leoy this this is a

(01:29:00):
bit of a wild card race. I'll be a little
bullish on him. Twenty eighth. That's good. Over under, do
you think that guy's wreck and then he makes it
through he's got some experience or do you think it's
a Rickwhare car, So he's not going to be in
the top three.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Well, that's the problem, right, is like he did well
in Aspire car but Rickware car. Right, I don't know
about that one. Yeah, finished thirty eighth year in the
second race of the year. Previous to that, thirteenth in
twenty fourteen, all right, and fifteenth, but both with spire Okay, okay,

(01:29:40):
oh darn so yeah. Previous to that in twenty twenty too,
he had a top five finishes in Atlanta in an
a Spire car. Oh yeah. He also followed up that
was the first Atlanta race of the year, and then
he followed it up in the second Atlanta race with
sub sub twenty finishes. So he's all over the place.

(01:30:03):
Give me, I think he's going to be up in
the high end. No, he's nice spier car. What are
we talking about here? I'll give me thirty give me
thirty five.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Okay, okay, all right, it's probably a pretty good place
to guess him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Yeah, So it looks like thirty one, right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Pretty close to the same cutoff point.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Though from from last week. Yep. So anything up to
thirty one is you, thirty two and less is me?

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Okay, all right, this is a pretty good one. I
think that's a pretty good place for some competition in there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, cool show.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
So just to recap, when it comes to the race itself,
I have got Chris Boucher Scott, He's got Chase Elliott,
thank you very much, my brain. And then when it
comes to Corla Hall, I've got him twenty eighth, you've
got him thirty fifth. Right, So if you want to
find out who wins the race, who wins the bet,
who wins the side bet, whether it was any good

(01:31:01):
it is Atlanta, and you're just gonna be doing something else,
then come back next week. We'll talk about it and
we'll tell you what we thought, and then we'll start
to get ready for that Chicago Street race. So, which
I think is there a week off before the Chicago
there's okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
I don't think they have any more weeks off. I
think they're done week off.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Right about now. They had one off week the entire season.
That's insane. Mind Draft Show dot com. It's got small pictures,
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Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Stupid small picture thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah, but this is Bristol is a car. It's tomorrow Bristol.
You can pick out, you can pick out your seat
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You can you totally can yeah.

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(01:32:24):
the draft with Wilson is a history lesson or two
before you go This day in fourteen ninety nine, Americo
spootcy cites what is now a mapa state in Brazil.
Interesting in Mattha State, which is the top part of Brazil,
the northern part of Brazil. Obviously, he's not going to
go inland and be really weird, like, how did our

(01:32:46):
boat end up here?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
That's a war.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
That's a war. Dah. Nope, that's a killing. Yikes. No, No,
that's a that's a bad one. I was gonna be like, dude,
this is fantastic, but nope. Hey. Eighteen ninety five, the
inaugural run of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroads Royal Blue
from Washington, DC to New York City is the first
US passenger train to use electric locomotives.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Whoa, okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Eighteen ninety eight, the first solo circum navigation of the
Globe is completed by Joshua Slocum from Bryer Island, Nova, Scotia.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Shout out to him on that one. A lot of
World War two stuff going on down bu up of
a nuclear power plant. Nope, don't want to talk about that. Uh.
The nineteen fifty four World Cup quarterfinal match between Hungary
and Brazil was anticipated to be exciting when instead turns violent,

(01:33:50):
with three players ejected and further fighting continuing after the game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Big shocker there.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah. Uh. Richard Nixon this day nineteen twenty four visits
the Soviet Union.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Oh wow, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Nineteen seventy seven, France grant's independence to Djibouti, Jibuti.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
You know what the capital of Jibouti is, right, mm
hmm Djibouti.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Uh there it is. M Slovenia is invaded by Heuroslav
troops this day in nineteen ninety one, just before their independence.
Oh wow, how about that? Hu uh. Twenty thirteen, NASA
launches the Interface Region Imagen Spectros graft, which is a
space probe to observe the sun. Oh okay, all right,

(01:34:37):
I had sunglasses.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
I thought I was gonna say there. You're not supposed
to start directly at that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
No, you gotta get the special cardboard glasses they hand out.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
That's right, you gotta have the box. Maybe they shot
the thing up there. It's got that little box with
the pinperke cannet.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Yeah exactly, yep, yep. Umm. Two happy birthdays, one Mark
with a CEA from the Face off Hockey. Nice bording
This day in nineteen eighty three, love it and narrowly
edged down by someone who was born in this stay
in eighteen eighty that's Helen Keller. Oh wow Keller. He
was the author, academic, activist. Man. If she knew, if

(01:35:12):
she knew what her life would become like, she never
saw it coming. Because it's Helen Keller. Definitely so bad.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. We'll talk to you next week.
We'll talk about it, Lanta. We'll get ready for everything else,
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(01:35:33):
Who's to say, But tune in next week to see
if that all happens.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Until then, thanks for listening to In the Draft with
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