Crazy All-Star Rules, Rockinham Controversy, HOF Nominees

Impossible to make the All-Star rules more ridiculous? Not for NASCAR - we try to figure out what exactly they are trying to accomplish in Wilkesboro. Plus - Rockingham controversy, Hall of Fame candidates, and our Paint Scheme Preview and Picks for Tallagega!

The Rundown:

- Rockingham controversy - enforce the rules, but tell us how it creates an advantage that merits a DQ
- Katherine Legge situation shows that NASCAR needs to be better helping drivers develop. And review the selling-seats situation. 
- Will the Championship moving back to Homestead change anything?
- 2026 NASCAR Hall of Fame Nominees
- All-Star Race Rule Madness - including an official BS caution
- Small Team Drama moves to Spire
- Sponsor News
- Talladega! Our Paint Scheme Preview and Picks

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark, George t fun poking like hell now coming down
and welcome everyone in the draft with Wilson and was
I'm Wilson here in sunny southern California. Meanwhile, right across
the internet from you, your beautiful studio by the Bay,

(00:21):
version two point zero. It is what mister Scotty was,
what's happening?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
There was man, hey, it's chick Coachella. Always been two weekends.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I don't care enough.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
For as long as I can remember, it's been been
two weekends. Okay, yeah, at one point it was one.
But then they were like, wait a minute, everybody will
pay all this money for another for the same it's
same exact sets. So the same people, same set, same
schedule over again, with one exception this this time around
because somebody who had never heard of dropped out. It's

(00:54):
like letters in their name kat nin or something like that.
And so the first weekend at Weezer filled that spot,
even though it was like super early, right and usually
like the crappy acts go early. They were like, we
wanted to shuffle the whole schedule, and Weezer was like, yeah,
well we'll come play, and then they got ed cheering
to play, to play this this souther one, like open

(01:16):
up the stage like like first act of the day
and there's just ed cheering there.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Con you know, get get there early, get there off.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Then I guess so, man, I guess the people.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Who go to those the content Coachella, I think would
have gotten fleeced on the Fire Festival.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh my gosh, I was so I had bought my tickets. Man,
I'm waiting for my refund. I'll probably get it.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, sure you will. Once that class action lost give
seventeen cents of it back.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh my gosh, that was hilarious. Like and anybody who
would have bought tickets to that, like, you deserve to
lose your money because you know exactly what you're doing
when you're plunking down that fifteen hundred to million dollars
or whatever the prices were.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah. It's it's kind of like when you go to Bristol,
you know that you're gonna have like open seats on
either side of you. You know that going in. It's
like when you buy your tickets to Fire Festival, you
literally know that money is going nowhere and you're never
gonna see it again.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like stretch out nice and fine.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh man, but uh but Bristol that that was two
weeks ago. We had the rock the rock. I can't
I can't say it right, but there was rocking him,
and you know everybody was like, like, gung home rocking him.
I thought it was just okay, yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I mean again, it's it's the same thing when you
get to those like the All Star races, when everyone's
hyped up about a certain track, Oh, we haven't been
here in a while, or it's a historic track for
or whatever, and then you go there and it's like,
it's it's just passable. I work for what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I did see somebody comment they were like, oh man, thatscar.
Should have made a bigger deal about the fact that
they were going to rocking him. I'm, you know, from
NASCAR standards. By NASCAR standards, I guess I should say
they did. I mean, they talked about it, which normally
they don't. They didn't even talk about the Darlington throwback
race before it happened, and so they did talk a

(03:12):
little bit about Rockingham. And on top of that, they
scheduled it on a week where the Cup Series wasn't
even racing. So those two things make me think that
NASCAR at least thought about trying even though by like
regular marketing standards. No, they didn't try it all.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Where where did they talk about it at?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You know, they were talking about it during the Bristol race.
They were like, for all, you know, two million people watching.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, yeah, so they didn't actually go outside of what.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
They No, no, no, no, not even a little bit. No.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
No, I just think it's just me. I was pretty
certain of that. But I'm just making sure.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yeah. No, I didn't see any ads or anything like that. No.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
God, I didn't even see any hype on the NASCAR page.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
No, and I can't find Let me see if I
can find any. Uh, do we have any ratings for that?
Would be very curious to know.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
One point five to three?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh really?

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, so of all the ten events, it's all ten
events of top to million. Well, I mean, second best
viewership for an Xfinity race at rocking Ham.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay, all right, Well, I mean excuse me. I was
just thinking I was just hoping for a little bit
more pop because it wasn't off weekend for the Cup series,
and because Rockingham is, you know, such a legendary track
that maybe just maybe some of those Cup Series only
people would be like, oh, well, I'll just I'll tune
in Rocking Ham so I can see the Rock Man.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
No, because most of those people don't remember the Rock
because that ended in what two thousand and four?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, I guess so. And then then if I'll be
if I'm being perfectly honest, I was also kind of
maybe sort of hoping that some people got confused and
thought that like literally the Rock was gonna be there.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well, they talked about that at WrestleMania, and that didn't
happen either, so don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And that's the thing is, like he didn't trub WrestleMania.
Maybe maybe he had his own thing going on this
weekend or this past weekend on Saturday, and then I'm
going to tune in and find out only to see
like some cars racing instead he's.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Going to Vegas. He's not. I mean, he's not going
to Vegas. He's not going to go to North Carolina on.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
The c W.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I guess you're right, But I mean it's also a
holiday weekend, so I'm not surprised. But you know how
you get people the just couple only people to watch.
You put cup drivers in that race.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
I guess so, yeah, I mean Casey Kane was.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
There, the current cup drivers, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Case King was there. I ended up getting a collected
in a Catherine leg wreck and you know she wrecked, Yeah,
she wrecked. This is and I didn't put this on
the right now, but because mostly because I didn't really
see the incident. I just read about it. But it
I'm torn, and I'll tell you why I'm torn.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
All right, Natalie Imbru, Because.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
In all honesty, if you're a driver with less experience,
she's not a young driver. She has a lot of experience.
She's been around, right, But if you don't have a
lot of experience in cup racing or in stock car
racing and NASCAR racing in general, Like, you can't really
fault somebody who has general racing experience but isn't like

(06:19):
a cup driver to start in the Exfinity Series. Like,
there's nothing inherently wrong about a driver who's trying to
learn being in the X Series because that's where you're
supposed to be while you're trying to learn to drive
a stock car. Right, you could argue the truck series,
but this is a little bit different type of vehicle.
So from that standpoint, I can't hold it against her.

(06:39):
She was in that race. I think that really what
happened here is the mistake of NASCAR not fully vetting
her experience level when it came to allowing her to
be in the Cup race. So then she gets in
the Cup race, She's racing it like a road course,
right where you know you're not fast, you know you're

(06:59):
not that fast, so you're gonna kind of let off
the gas and let the leaders buy. Except that I
can't remember which track it was. It was a very
short track. I don't know it was Darlington or something
like that. But she ended up having to always go
so slow because the leaders are always gaining on her
that she became a bit of a roadblock, right, and
that was pretty well publicized. And had she not been

(07:22):
in that Cup race, I don't think what happens in
the Xfinity race is a big deal at all. She's
in an X race, She's running a couple of laps down,
she gets run into in the back by somebody. It
causes a racket collects Casey Kane. Big deal. That kind
of crap happens all the time in the X Series.
I think it's only because she was in the Cup
Series race and that happened that people are giving her

(07:42):
a rough time about being in the X Series, and
you know, then she takes it. She gets a little
defensive about it, and she's like, you're just doing this
because I'm a woman, and you know, some people are
I'm sure that some people are right, but I think
that any driver that is gonna be in an X racer,
especially be in a Cup race that hasn't been there before,

(08:05):
there has to be some way to like teach them
the etiquette of being on the track right, because it
is different than a road course. A road course is
so so big that if your you know, if your
car is is not running well and you're getting you know,
getting caught up by the leaders, then yeah, you move over,
you let them buy, and then you're gonna keep racing

(08:27):
for another twenty or thirty or forty minutes before that
happens again. Where in you know, a cup race, that's like,
you know, five minutes later, somebody else who's competing for
a real spot is coming value. So I really blame
this on NASCAR as much as anybody else, But I
really feel bad for her because, like I said, if
she hadn't had you know, have bought her way into

(08:49):
the Cup race and had that happen, and I don't
think anybody would really be giving her that big of
a time or that rough of a time about the
Exfinity race. But it really speaks to the bigger problem
that anybody can come along and buy their way into
a race.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Absolutely, yes, just saw the accident. Two things. First off,
I want to say that she says she's been getting
hate mail, death threats and inappropriate sexual comments. That's not cool.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Man, don't do that. That's dumb. To stop it. Saw
the crash, she basically stopped, Oh no, and got ran
into the back of because she stopped. It was not
a good look.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let me see you can find it here.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
So as she was driving, she was she was coming
up on she was a lap car and the leaders
were coming up on her, and she gave she basically
run down Nick Sanchez, who was on the lead lap
number forty eight car. He was trying to catch Justin Olgeier.
Uh no gap between the two. She basically runs him

(10:02):
down to the to the corner next to his door.
Oh no, and then she just as she gets to
the rear quarter panel on a passenger side, essentially she stops.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Oh man.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
And then and then William Salowitch runs into the back
of her and turns her because she's dead stopped, and
Casey Knt gets caught up in it.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, I'm waiting for uh, waiting for it. Now, I've
got the NASCAR feed for it, and they're getting her
out of the car. But what the heck are they
going to show this wreck? Go? Here we go, here
we go, here we go. All right, so she's in
that car.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
No, yeah, uh, it's hard to defend. Yeah, and again,
like you said, you have to vet people better.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, she just yeah, she was freaked out because there
was somebody on the inside of her and instead of
just she said she held her line. But instead of
holding her line, she lifted. I mean they were closing
on her so fast there, oh man. Yeah, even in
slow mo, it looked like they were closing on her
insanely fast. So yeah, she was like, oh no, there's
a car. I don't know what to do. And instead

(11:19):
of staying in the gas, then she she totally got
out of it. And you know, there's just not enough
room for everybody at that point. And so yeah, you
got to Walich coming in there, and like what's he
supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
You know? Yeah? Not not fun. Yeah, it sucks because yeah,
it's gonna be, it's gonna be. Go ahead, and you
know they're gonna just blame her sex and you know,
just how she's not quality and she's qualified enough in
other series.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, she's got plenty of racing experiences. She's had success too,
so she knows how to drive a car.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, this is a different an animal. And NASCAR just
sees dollar signs and the teams that's just that that
contractor just sees dollar signs. Yeah, because it gets money
into their system. Yeah, but they don't see that. They
don't see that, and they haven't taught her. And I
think that's the thing they have not taught.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Her, especially in between the Cup Series incident. In this one,
there obviously was no conversation that was had and maybe
the people around her or maybe even NASCAR was like, oh,
you've seen more experience. You just see more experience, But
it's not just getting on track and getting experience. Part
of that experience is knowing what to do. And I
am fairly certain that her intent in both situations, the

(12:38):
Cup Series situation and in this one, I'm fairly certain
her intent was to try to stay out of the way.
But the problem is nobody taught her how to stay
out of the way correctly.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yep, you know, here's a scary thought. She is listed
in the entry list for TELLIDG.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, oh I got whoa this weekend?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yep, in the Exfinity Series race.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
No, yeah, see that's all right. And listen, if NASCAR
is gonna tell Mike Wallace that he can't be in
a race because he doesn't it's been too long, right,
and you can't come to Daytona because you could, like
this is high stakes, man, you can make a mistake

(13:24):
because you're rusty, and then something happens. Then they have
to be consistent with that, right. They have to say, Okay,
here's somebody who's been in two races this year. They've
caused two recks after they've been multiple laps down, clearly
not keeping up with the rest of the field. I
think that allowing that person, because they got the money
to try to get experienced somewhere. Okay, But Talladega doesn't

(13:47):
feel like the right place for that learning process to continue.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Mm hmm yeah, yeah, no, I honestly NASCAR owns Arka. Yes, yeah, yeah, again,
we need a graduated system, I know.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
And you know, you know, some people might say, oh, well,
you know, she's older, she can't start all over again.
What about what about Malcolm in the Middle Man Frankie Moneese, Like, yeah,
he wasn't a spring chicken either, but what did he do.
He got himself a ride in the ARCA series, and
he learned how to how to deal with not being fast,

(14:29):
how to figure out how to get fast in these
types of cars. And it was only once he got
that experience that he started moving up. And he hasn't
had these same problems because of that, because he's learned
how to get out of people's way to the right way,
and how to race people the right way and what
the car is capable of doing so we can get
ahead of people. So yeah, I mean, just because she is,

(14:52):
you know, has just because she's not like a twenty
year old coming up through the system, you know, doesn't
mean you can't do step one, step two, step three.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know she's done some of that, but not consistently
enough obviously, to be able to know what to do
in these particular types of situations.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Right, And the people that she has around her, I
don't think are the right people to be around her.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Probably not because you would think that with each of
these learning opportunities that they wouldn't repeat themselves.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
But obviously, Nobod You're right, nobody's telling her, well, this
is what you should have done in that situation. Instead,
they're probably firing her up, saying, oh, they're just getting
down on you because they're haters. And that's not always
the case, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, And I mean you look at you look at
just everything around it, and it's like, man like, I
imagine if Mark Martin would give her some tips. Yeah, A,
which would she take them to heart? I guess is
the question. B. Another question is how how long before
these teams don't care about the money that's coming in

(15:52):
from the sponsorship when they have to fix Drex cars
and it becomes a net possibly a net negative for them. Yeah,
I mean you have to ask that question. And God, again,
this Talladega thing is scary as hell. It is, it is,
But that was the only fireworks that happened in.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, Oh my gosh. The bigger story. Jesse Love wins
this race, thinking, hey man, we're gonna make a great
like YouTube episode after this, and then then N's car
throws out the win.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Oopsy poopsy.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
This is the weird thing, all right. So he the
rule he violated reads this way, and I don't have
the reference of where in the rule book it is,
but this is the actual quote that the rule that
he violated was. Spacers slash pinion angle shims must have
single single planar mating surfaces. All mating surfaces between the
truck arm trailing arm or the truck trailing arm and

(16:52):
the U bolt saddle must be in complete contact with
each other. It's the best I did research. I went
to like ten or fifteen different places trying to find
out what the f that means, and like I'm kind
of like into the rules type of stuff. All I
could find out is that, yes, it has something to
do with the rear suspension, but nobody, including NASCAR, has

(17:15):
come out and said exactly what the mating surface is
not being in contact with each other, Like what kind
of potential performance advantage that would give Jesse Love that
would that would justify him losing the win and basically
being considered as having not run the race. I think
he got one point for showing up.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, for the Q. But I mean, all these rules
and all this, all this possibly in consequential stuff, I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Know at home, that's the thing. We don't know, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
But I mean to do again. We saw this, wasn't
it earlier this year that there was a disqualification and
they went through the whole the whole rigamarole where they
did the celebration in pitt Rod. Then it's like, oh wait,
no action, Oh yeah it was was it? That wasn't Seabell?
Oh damn it. I can't remember who it was. But anyway,
there was the big thing where the rigamarole did a

(18:08):
celebration and there's like, oh wait no, this other guy
one's kind of whatever. But I mean you look, you
look at everything that's going on there, and it's just like, okay, cool,
why are we letting why are we not doing this immediately?
Why are you letting them do burnouts? Why are they
not just going right to exit interviews and what have you. So,
by the way, Jesse Love apparently got two points.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Well we got two points, Oh okay, wow.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Finish next finished next to last.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Oh wonder did so? Oh that's right. No, he finished
next last because there was somebody else who got disqualified
to the guy who finished below him got disqualified as well.
I think they improperly installed a lugnut or something like
that or lugnuts or I can't remember what it was,
and they throw him out. Maybe they like short changed
to pit like maybe they'll try to get some pit position.

(18:54):
Maybe they only did like three lugs per tire or
something like that. And and yeah, so there was enough
driver that did get disqualified. That's why he got two
points instead of one. Our cr appealed. They lost Sammy
Smith as the official race winner. And again, if he
violated a rule and that would have given him a
distinct performance advantage over everybody, that's fine, you know, then

(19:17):
he's got to be penalized. He's got to lose the win.
I don't feel bad for him, but don't just throw
out a whole bunch of jargon and say he's disqualified
without letting the common everyday fan understand what performance advantage
might be gained by that infraction.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
Right, and what the hell agg and this means? And
what and why why and at what point. Are they
going to go single uh, single part manufacturers for sanity?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I know, right, probably sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Hey, by the way, interesting note I'm seeing here. Catherine
Catherine Legg didn't make the fail to qualify.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
She did. She failed to qualify and had to buy
her car from somebody else. But she didn't fail to
qualify on speed, is what I understand. She she was
fast enough, but then there were so many cars that
showed up. I don't know. The way I read it
is she she didn't not qualify on speed, but they
didn't have enough championship points. It doesn't make sense because

(20:13):
if the field is full, right, Oh, maybe maybe the
car that was slower than her, well, no, it would
be a chartered car, but they don't have charters.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I really don't There.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Was some reason that she didn't qualify and then she
had to buy like jj Aali's car or somebody like that.
I can't remember who.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Uh, owner's points, it looks like.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
And I don't get that because are we qualifying or
are we just like putting cars in the field based
on owner points? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I don't even see her. I don't even see her
car number on here.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Interesting, and the problem that unveils another problem in NASCAR
that the rules are so effed up and they're also
not consistent between series. So so like qualifying one is
different than qualifying in the other, and so if you're
not watching it at the time that they're qualifying, then
it could be hard to understand.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Hold on and maybe maybe if I, you know what,
if I had looked at the right one. No, she
she did not have this. She had one forty four,
so that would have put her at thirty fourth. But
because the last six are based on owner's points, that's
why she.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Got Oh, I see, okay, So.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Only qualifying one to thirty two and then thirty three
to thirty eight is owner's pot.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh I didn't freaking know that because I don't give
that much attention to the series.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
And she would she would have been in that thirty
Uh gotcha, thirty four spot, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah? And then yeah, So they just basically bought somebody
else's ride, which really does reinforce the idea that you
just got to show up with some cash man. And
it's just it's so I get it because auto racing
is different than other series, but you know, you have
a commissioner now, and you like trying to move closer

(21:57):
and closer and closer to the stick and ball sports.
And I mean, trust me, if people could just show
up to you know, a baseball stadium with a couple
of grand in their pocket and then they could play
their base and then they end up sucking because they're
in a baseball player, then it's going to destroy the
legitimacy of the sport. Now, as I say that, I

(22:18):
realized that happens all the effing time in spring training.
But that's not what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, well no, and I think you can do that
with the White Sox this year.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah. Probably, Yeah, But you know, I mean if I
just showed up, you know, to the ice rink and said, hey,
I want to be goalie and I've got fifteen grand
you know, I mean, if they let me do it,
and then the team got worked, you know, I got
worked with like a random mule, and the team lost
like fifteen to nothing, then then the people would be like, yeah,

(22:49):
you shouldn't be doing this. Yeah, but that doesn't happen
in NASCAR, and NASCAR they're like, oh, oh, you didn't
make the race. A little shit, just walk down the
aisland and find another car and plug down some money. Man,
you're in.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Joey Gase doesn't care about jj yaleing exactly out of
the car exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
So you hate the sport sometime.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
It doesn't make sense, like they don't realize how that looks.
And and you know, yes, I know that it's been
done that way for a long time, but new fans
don't know that. And if you're trying to attract new
fans because your old fans are getting old, dying and
not coming to the races anymore as a result, then
you're gonna have to have a system that makes sense,

(23:31):
and you're gonna have to have a sport that feels
like you have to be good at it to be
able to be in it, not just have enough cash.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
All right, twenty five million dollar question right now?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, Cup Series back to rocking Ham yah r
na umm oh.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
NASCAR will totally do it for two reasons. Number one,
because they love nothing more than jumping on a bandwagon.
And number two, because the place only seats thirty two
thousand people, it's super easy to sell it out.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Yeah. I was gonna say, but does that revenue does
that move a marker for NASCAR is like, well, we
can get twenty thousand here, sell it out, cool, but
we can get thirty thousand at another bigger track. Yeah,
in a way we go.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
I don't know if they even did that at Bristol Man.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
That's true, that's right, sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
But you make a good point there, because on the
flip side of that, NASCAR is not smart enough to
understand that having thirty two thousand seats and it's packed
looks way better on TV than having one hundred and
twenty thousand seats and having it be a.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Quarter full, right exactly, And NASCAR hasn't own it, so
they're not gonna get any of the credit anyway, exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah. Yeah, So all right, so Jesse Love is out.
Let's move on to NASCAR news. So it hasn't been
officially announced, but apparently, like everybody who talks to everybody
in the sport is saying that the championship race is
moving back to Homestead in twenty twenty six, with NASCAR's

(25:07):
intent being that there will be like a group of
tracks that the season can end that and they'll rotate
back and forth between them. So you know, I'm sure
Phoenix will be in there. I'm sure that Homestead will
be in there, maybe Texas the Southern Track because you're
in November, you know, so they have to be good
weather tracks, you know. Is this interesting? I guess I

(25:31):
don't know. I does it make any difference in attendance,
Does it make any difference in the popularity of the sport,
Does it make any difference in the level of competition
or how the championship plays out? I don't think so.
I think it's just like something to put on a
press release and say, look, we're doing things.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yes, it's like, hey, guys, we're giving you the change
that you want.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But I also think Phoenix has lost its flair.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean we've seen it with so many races, you know,
the Track race and the thing at the Coliseum in
LA that after a couple of years, people do start
to lose interest. And so from that standpoint, I get it,
You're you're moving it to someplace else, creating a little
bit bit of excitement. Maybe you get to pop in
ticket sales for a year. I think they should be

(26:17):
doing that for a lot of different races, just one
year at a time, as opposed to this two three
four year thing. But outside of that, from a competition
standpoint or from a long term fan standpoint, I don't
think it makes too much of a difference.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Really, No, no, not at all. I mean, like you said,
it's gonna have to be Southern tracks that don't get
cold or rainy all that much. So yeah, and then
people get sick of that too because you can't have
nice things.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah, I mean, you know you want to have fun.
Put New Hampshire in there, Put Pocono on that rotation. Man,
go there in November. Now you're gonna have some fun.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Hell yeah, snow maybe exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Make these guys running like forty degree weather. Then we'll
see some action. This is something I don't know, um,
so that's probably gonna happen. The twenty twenty six NASCAR
Hall of Fame nominees were announced. I don't have the
full list in front of me because most of them
are just repeats from the past. Maybe I do have

(27:17):
the full list in front of me, No, I don't.
Fifteen drivers are eligible, ten on the modern ballot. That's
what we're down to. Ten on the modern ballot, five
on the pioneer ballot. So if you're on the pioneer ballot,
you have a twenty percent chance of getting in, and
you actually have a twenty percent chance of getting in
on the modern ballot too, because it's two off the

(27:38):
modern ballot, one off the pioneer ballot.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
And then I have the ballot in front of me
if you need it.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh cool, five people for the Landmark Award there are
Before we get to the full list, there are two
new modern ballot drivers, the first of which is Kurt
Busch thirty four Cup Series wins. Of course, he won
the two thousand and four championship in that Sharpie car.
He has five X wins four truck way. He did
finish second overall in the Truck Series in two thousandspite

(28:03):
only having four wins in that series. The other new
modern ballot driver is Randy Lejoi. He was in nineteen
ninety six and nineteen ninety seven Exfinity Series champion. He
scored fifteen X Series wins. I don't know who else
is on the list. I do remember being a bit
underwhelmed by the options. Yes that presented to us and

(28:28):
makes me nervous because where are we going to go
from here? Because I think I think Kurt Bush gets
in first ballot. He's Cup champion, I mean, how can
he not, And he had a long career and he
made the playoffs a lot. But if he gets in
and the other person who I think gets in, you know,
or maybe should get in, Greg Biffel, who's a two

(28:48):
time champ, He's won a Truck Series Championship and Exfinity
Series Championship, fifty six wins across three series. You take
those two off. Whatever the list is right now, you're
not dealing with a lock.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
There's a couple, you think, so yeah, yeah, yeah, two things.
One man I missed Roush in the Truck Series, they
were dominant too. Randy the Joy probably more known for
Corey being a podcaster's father. So you mentioned Kurt Bush
and Randy the Joy. Greg Biffel in there as well,
Neil Bonnett, Tim Brewer, Jeff Burton, Randy Drton, Harry Gant,

(29:24):
Harry Hyde, and Jack Sprague in the Mono era vallot
that's it. Uh Yeah, a couple, a couple can go in,
but you got to say something for next year. So
that's probably why I don't think. That's why I think
that Kurt probably might not get in this year. Jake
Elder okay, is the newest on the Pioneer ballot, Ray Hendrick, Banjo,

(29:47):
Banjo Matthews, Larry Phillips and Bob Welborn on the Pioneer ballot,
and the Lamark ballot, Alvin Hawkins, Uh, Lisa Frantz, Kennedy,
doctor Joe Mattoli. Let's h uh less Richter and Humpy
Wheeler for the Landmark ballot.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
You know, I mean if I were voting, and I'm
not because they won't let me, I would, Uh, I'd
go with Kurt and Beff and uh, then Banjo for
the for the Legacy ballot and uh and Humpy Wheeler.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I think Humpy gets in for sure.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Give me a Banjo Matthews in there, give me a
Greg Biffle and Jeff Burton Okay, all right, the mayor
be Harry Ganton there.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
So yeah, but that I think you need to keep names.
And that's where NASCAR is coming up with, where this
idea is a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah, you know, I mean they're gonna run out, They're
gonna be like, uh, Kurt or Kyle rather, we need
you to retire. If that's Okay, you kind of suck anyway,
we get it. I've not been having a good time.
If you we need somebody on the ballots. If you
go ahead and just you know, eighty six thisss thing,

(31:03):
let's move on.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I want to talk about eighty six y things.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
All Star Race.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
We just before I go take a nap because these
rules are just terrible.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Let's get rid of it. It's no reason I put
enough off week in there.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
So there was a story that came out today before
we get to the All Star rules have been announced. Everybody,
that's what we're Oh, it is really bad. I mean
it's worse than normal, and it could have been even
worse than worse than normal. There was a report that
came out I guess heading out of the weekend that
Denny Hamlin addressed, but I haven't listened to his address

(31:44):
of this yet, that NASCAR went to the teams and
they were like, hey, listen, we have an idea for
the All Star Race, which is never a good thing
to start with, and they said, how about we just
not have rules? Basically at the All Star Race, you
just run with your brong. So when it comes to engines,
like as long as they pass like basic tech, arrow

(32:06):
car height, all that stuff, like we're gonna have basic parameters,
but beyond that, you can do whatever the f you
want to the cars. And people are outraged because the
teams were like, nah, dog, we ain't doing that, but
we are not interested in that. And but I get it.
I totally totally get it. And again I haven't heard
what Denny Hamlin said about it as a team owner

(32:28):
and as a driver for that matter, but just so problematic,
like I don't even understand where like what it proves
because at least in the past, but they're stupid ideas,
like you know, like option tires and you know, neon
lights under cars, you could you could see where they're
that could have a practical application racing wise down the road.

(32:50):
Having like so few rules that people can kind of
basically try their best to cheat is not something that
like sets things up for later on in the year
or next year or the year after that. Right, and
then on top of that, like what are you going
to change? How is it going to affect the car? Well,
the only way to find that out is to do

(33:10):
a whole shit ton of research and dedicate a whole
lot of time and effort and most importantly money for
an exhibition race to try to figure out how you
might be able to outwit the competition for that one race,
and then all of that data you accrued is never
going to be used again for anything. And so it
doesn't even make sense to say, let's have a race

(33:31):
where we just basically don't follow our own rules, and
then everybody's got to prepare to not follow the rules
and if they happen to stumble across something, great, well
guess what. It's against the rules.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
You can't do it exactly. And it's one of those
things where it's just like you're not getting paid. I'm
getting paid to do this. Yeah, Like, screw it, I
don't want to do it. That's a nothing race. Let's
just get it over with and not have it anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, So I'll do the short version, but there is
one thing that I two things that I definitely want
to focus on here. The All Star Race of course,
still northwolks Borough. It's going from two hundred to two
hundred and fifty laps, so they're making it longer. That
sounds like fun oh go with a competition break at
or near lap one hundred. I don't know how that works.
I think what they're doing is giving themselves some leeway

(34:14):
right that if there's not a caution in that area
of the race, they'll throw one. But say, if there's
a caution like lap ninety two, then they're not gonna
break again at one hundred, I think is what they
mean by that. The All Star Open is one hundred
lapper with a competition break add or near lap forty.
The top two finishers advance, one fan vote driver advances.

(34:34):
All that's boilerplate stuff right to set the lineup for
the All Star Race. And for the Open, they're gonna
do two heat races sixty laps apiece. Nothing big there.
The one like kind of strange thing is for the
Pit Crew Challenge. They're gonna combine that with qualifying. So

(34:55):
when you qualify, you you go around, you come in,
get a four tire stop, go around again. We've seen
that in the past, but it's not just gonna be
like the Open teams go and then the All Star
teams go. Everybody qualifies at once, and then how fast
shore against the guys that are in your particular race,
that's where you line up. That's not a big deal either.
I don't care about that. When it comes to eligible drivers,

(35:16):
it's pretty much what you expect to if you want
a points event in twenty four twenty five, or if
you want a NASCAR All Star Race in the past
and compete full time, or if you're a Cup Series
champion and you compete full time, all those drivers can
get in. That will be twenty drivers that are eligible. Then,
of course we'll add two from the Open one fan vote,

(35:37):
so twenty three cars will be in the race. I
thought about that for a second. I put the math
here because I do find this interesting because there are
thirty six chartered teams right Obviously, a couple extra might
showup for the Open, but essentially we're dealing with thirty
six teams. Twenty three of those thirty six teams are
gonna be in the All Star Race. They're guaranteed to
be in the All Star Race, even though we don't

(35:59):
know what the last three are. Can it be and
it could be more than that right now, because if
you can win a race in twenty twenty five, and
we have a new winner this weekend, then the field
could be bigger than that, could be twenty four cars,
could be twenty five cars, you know, because we've got
still got one or two more weeks. I can't remember
how many weeks till the All Star Race. It's stupid,

(36:23):
but that means it's sixty four percent, at minimum, sixty
four percent of the cars on the grid the teams
in the sport are going to be in the All
Star Race. So sixty four percent of the drivers, sixty
three point eight to be exact, are going to be
in the All Star Race. And so I looked up
the number of players in MLB, NHL, NBA, and NFL

(36:45):
and I did the math. If sixty three point eight
percent of the players in those leagues made the All
Star Game, and that means that the Major League Baseball
All Star Team would have two hundred and thirty nine
players per team, NHL three hundred and forty three per team,
the NBA one hundred and forty three per team, and

(37:06):
the NFL kicks everybody's ass you would have on either
side of the field, you'd have to find them for
five hundred and forty one players on each side. I mean,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
The points event in there Man, I get it.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
The field is much smaller. You got to have somebody
in the All Star Race, but it can be less
than half of the teams, right, you don't.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Need an All Star race. Everyone races the same week
every week every week and in weeke ot there's no
reason for an All Star race every weekend. You bet
doubt it is an All Star race.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, you're right, you're right. It's the same people.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
You're right, it's not like it's not like they're part
of a team.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah. And it even goes further than that because it's
not just the same people. But let's face it, those
twenty three drivers that are on the track for the
All Star Race, those are probably the only guys racing
in the Cup series that have a real chance to win. Yeah.
So it's not like the guy who's twenty fourth all
the way down to thirty sixth are going to win

(38:03):
a race this year. They're very likely not going to.
And so you're right, every race is an All Star
race because those twenty three drivers are still on the
track and they're the twenty three that have the best
chance to win on any given week. Yeah, it's so dumb.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
They're in there for a reason. It's such a dumb concept.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
But believe it or not, that's not even close to
the dumbest thing here. The second stupidest thing is this
manufacturer showdown. All right, now, Yeah, I went to the
actual NASCAR press release because I didn't understand it, and
I read the NASCAR press release and I still don't
understand it. This is what the press release say. It
says that manufacturer teams Chevy, Ford Toyota will be equally

(38:43):
represented in this manufacturer contest. The members per team will
be determined by the least represented manufacturer, and an equal
number of drivers from the other two manufacturers will be
selected based on their final All Star Grids starting positions.
All right, So that part is easy to simple. So
let's say that in the All Star Race there are

(39:04):
five toyotas well. Then that means that Chevy and Ford
can't have more than five people on their team because
if you want to have a team competition, there have
to be the same number of people. And so you
know whoever has the least number of cars in. If
if Ford only has three cars in, then it'll be
all three of those Forwards versus the top three Chevies

(39:26):
and the top three toyotas, right, So that part makes sense.
Then it said that the teams will be scored against
each other. But this is the funny part for me.
The teams will be scored against each other and not
by their overall all star finish. Then in the next
sentence it says the lowest combined total of finishing positions

(39:46):
will be the winning manufacturer. So they're literally saying, back
to back, we're gonna have a contest between these guys
and it's not gonna matter. It's not gonna be based
on where they finish. Instead, we're gonna take where they
finish and that's gonna determine the winner.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Well, I mean, yeah, it's kind of like that. That
whole situation is just so silly.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
They're gonna add them all up. So, like let's.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Say, but it's for I'm glad they're doing this. They
can win the fifty or five hundred grand.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh oh oh, is there money? I didn't because in
the in the press release, I didn't see what they want.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Oh no, I'm assuming there's money. No, because there's no
reason you have a competition with this complex of rules
and everything like that and try to do these math equations.
That's some mit jerk off figured out and not have
some kind of cash prize or any kind of reasoning
behind it. There is exactly zero reason for NASCAR to

(40:42):
make up a whole set of rules for the manufacturers
only and do all this stuff if there is not
a prize consideration. I'm just assuming it's it's five hundred
thousand dollars. But Wilson, tell me what the prize up.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I hate the sport and everybody.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
In it brag. You. They do say bragging rights in
I don't know if that was the news article or
the actual press release, they said they would be racing
for bragging rights. So you go through all of this
and they get these guys they're going to compete against
each other for absolutely nothing, like nothing, like absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Well, if nothing else, it is a All Star race,
so they're doing that as it is. Might as well
throw another meaningless situation, don't into it as well.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I know, yeah, And I mean we've seen in attempts
in the past. I don't know if they still do
this or not, but you remember, for at least a
couple of years, Major League Baseball was like, hey, what
do these guys actually play, and so we're going to
give homefield advantage in the World Series to the league
that wins, right, And so you're like, oh, well, you

(41:51):
could do this with the manufacturers, like they could get
first pit selection in the first round of the playoffs
or something like that. But no, no, nothing, not a
damn thing. It's literally point. But that isn't even the
worst freaking part of the All Star Race. The worst
part of the All Star Race is the promoter's caution

(42:14):
and the promoter's caution. I don't know who the promoter is.
I guess NASCAR is the promoter.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
So the promoter, whoever that may be, can literally call
a caution at random, at will, anywhere between lap one
hundred and two hundred of the two hundred and fifty
laps in the race. However, there are conditional rules to
that because if it's not called before lap two hundred

(42:43):
and a regular caution happens after that and the promoter's
caution goes away. But I thought the rules said they
have to like call it before lap two hundred. I
have no clue. I have no clue. I'm gonna have
to look at the at the actual press release again
to figure that out. But really what they're saying important
takeaway here is that NASCAR is saying, to spice things up,

(43:05):
We're literally, at our discretion just gonna call a bullshit
caution just to bring the feel back together, just because
just because Chase Elliot's getting too far behind, we're gonna
just call a caution. You don't know when it's gonna
be and then you gotta line up and do it
all again. And if it's in the middle of a
pit cycle and you get aft, oh well that's just

(43:27):
that's just the fun. That's the fun of the sport
is trying to break it to be more interesting.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Who's watching that?

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I mean, I mean that would be like that would
be like in like the NHL All Star Game or
an NHL game, They're like, well, we have a promoter's
face off and it doesn't matter. I mean, it could
be a power play and you're set up in the
zone and you're trying to like, you know, tie the game,
but we're just gonna whistle it off and everybody's lines
up at center ice and just face off again.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
This things on a Sunday night.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
The promoter's home run everybody.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
It's on a Sunday night, FS one. This race is
is nothing and they're doing it. It's the last and
this is and this is the funny thing. This is
the last thing Fox leaves with because it goes to
Prime next weekend.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Oh it does what.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
The six hundred is on Prime?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
So this is so this is the last thing. Like
the by the way, this weekend is the last weekend
on Fox proper MM and FS won the rest of
the last four races. So this is the legacy that
Fox FS that Fox is gonna give us for the
twenty twenty five, the first year of this eleven billion
dollar year. Guys, we're gonna create a punch of bullshit

(44:53):
and Mike Joy is gonna have to figure it out.
And now think about Mike. If Joy doesn't have an aneurysm,
that's going to be the interesting thing. Oh man, I
hate the sport and everybody else.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Okay, okay, I've got some clarification. I figured out where
I messed up here, all right. Where I messed up
is that the promoter's caution has to be called between
lap one hundred and lap two hundred and twenty of
two point fifty, so all the way up until thirty
laps beforehand, they can call it. And then if there
happens to be a regular caution somebody recks between lap

(45:26):
two hundred and two hundred and twenty, well then then
they can't just throw the the promoter's caution on top
of that. Now the promoter in question is Marcus Smith,
so Bruton Smith's son, Marcus Smith of Speedway Motorsports, the
billionaire that owns Speedway Motorsports and runs it. He's the
one and the only one who gets to the side

(45:51):
if a bullshit caution is thrown. And on the heels
of you know me watching that conversation between Daleenhart Junior
and Carl Edwards, where Carl was basically Carl and Dale
for that matter, we're like, yeah, we know that back
then they were throwing bullshit cautions to just try to
make the competition more interesting. It is ironic that just
a few weeks after that conversation, NASCAR not only embraces

(46:11):
but makes an official notif like rule change that in
the All Star Race they're gonna have a bullshit caution.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
This is like putting all your rules on a signal.
Chat with a fat secretary.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Oh man, this.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Is this is the dumbest it. This has to be
the dumbest the All Star Race has been. Yeah, it
has to be. And again, no reason for an All
Star Race. You're seeing these guys every single week competing
for you know, honor and valor and you know, actual
points and actual money, and you don't need We don't
need an All Star Race. We don't need this traveling circus.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
We don't And and Dale Junior, I love you, man,
You're you. You are passionate about the sport, and I
appreciate that. His response to the promoter's caution is, Hey,
if you're gonna do that, have it be controlled by
like a live fan poll, like the fans get to
vote with an app or something like that, and then

(47:10):
based on the fan vote, then they're gonna have like
this random caution. We already have that for voting the drivers,
and we don't need that. We don't need bullshit cautions. Basically, yeah, no,
Like adding an extra twist to the bullshit caution doesn't
make it not a bullshit caution.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Right, This gimmick is bad enough as it is. Yeah,
the fans involved, especially at that that time, they're probably
drunk off their ass.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Oh my gosh, boy. Yeah, I can't. I can't believe
that they're they're officially putting a bullshit caution into a race.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I hate the sport and everybody in it. Again, I
can't cannot reiterate this enough. Then they changed the Driver
Diversity name because they want to appease.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
The did I didn't know about that.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah, apparently it changed in the off season.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
That's now called the Driver Development not the Drive for Diversity.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
Wow. Wow.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
That said, it's been under consideration for the last couple
of years to broaden the program's scope. I don't know
how because he let Catherine leg buy a ride in
I know, right, Like, who cares at that point?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Lord almighty? So that's the All Star race, man, I
don't even know when it is May or something like that.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
It's May eighteen, all right, So it's coming up in a.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Couple of weeks. Yeah, Hey, small team drama is back.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Thank god. UPI I need a cleanse. I need a cleanse.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Spire Motorsports has had some sort of thing happen with
Rodney Choulders. Either they fired him or he told them
to f often left, which is weird because he just
went there, right, he had just moved from s HR
in the wake of the whole shutdown thing. He got
like picked up by Spire. I mean we were like, hey, man,

(49:00):
Spire is on it, dude. They're getting there. They're trying
to get quality personnel in the back line to make
these cars better, to be more competitive. They bring in
somebody the championship winning crew chief and Rodney Childers. They're like,
you're gonna work with Justin Haley. And then nine years
and there, nine races into the season, Uh, They're done.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I almost think it's it was a class of personalities
a maybe well because in his in his farewell, Rodney
Childers thank mister Hendrick and no one Inspire. So I'm
thinking it's just I think he was just a higher
gun and he went to Rick Hendricks said I can't
do this anymore and then just kind of left it
as it is. So there has to be something philosophically

(49:44):
different between the two and I can see that because
Spire Inspire thinks it's it's track house, but in actuality
it's just an ad agency that has a race card. Yeah,
basically yeah and not and not a good of either.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
And you're probably right with with your assessment because I
looked at the numbers, I was like, we are they
doing really bad? No, they were doing fine. I mean, Haley,
it's his first it's his first year with Spire, right, well,
he's coming back to Spire after a couple of years.
His average finish in the first nine races was twentieth. Right,
that's better than what he did in the first nine

(50:18):
races last year, requare racing, and it matches his average
finish of twentieth in the first nine races of his
rookie year when he was with calig which was arguably
a better program. Although we're still talking by a small amount.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
There, right, Yeah, yeah, not we're not. We're not talking
by a large amount. It's comparable to what he's at now, So.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
It's not like it's not like children like like if
I were a team owner and I brought in somebody
the quality of Rodney Chulders, and I know my team sucks.
Right to have my young driver that he's working with,
you know, be doing better than he was the year before.
That's success. I'm not going to get rid of this
guy because I know he knows what he's doing, and
he obviously has taken this kid in at least in

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a step in the right direction. I'll call him kiddy.
He's not that young, but he's taking this driver at
least a step in the right direction. Like, I don't
think I would have any reason to want to get
rid of him. So yeah, I think you're right. It
might have been a personality thing. And then Rodney's just like,
whats I'm out of here?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
He is going to turn twenty six here in a
couple of days. So I mean he's still kind of
a kid.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
So he can just rent a car, yeah, yeah, without
the extra insurance.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Yeah, And so that that's it. I got some down
the sponsor news. I didn't type it in.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Here, but got one.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Coach Not not the one with Craig T. Nelson, Oh?

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Or not or not the one with Kylie.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
No, no, not the Coaching show with Nate Lewis the
coach bags our coach fashion. I knowstly know them for
their coach bags? Have I have enlisted Tony braidinger Oh
to be part of their new advertising Camp and Around
that's recently released one hundred and forty five dollars so
hot sneakers.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Oh my, So she.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Is all right.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
She got her own kicks, man. She getting up there
into those Jordan territories with one hundred and fifty bones
for some yeah new treads.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yeah, why not, ay man?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
She can go as long as as long as sponsors
are on board and she's not like cruising around ten
laps down getting run into by people, then I'm all
for it. I'm here.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Tony Braydinger is still in the news as Kendall Jenners
tequila brand eight one eight tequila. We'll get into the
national sports sponsorship with a new deal with Breydinger with
a primary on her truck at Nashville Wow and a
party after the Nashville race and associate branding for the
rest of twenty twenty five. So Tony Braydinger doing the

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dang thing. Yeah, getting the getting the Kardashian boost in
there too.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
She's up on it, man, It's getting it done. I
like that.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
God bless and also Chilies has a mechanical bull riding
machine in the form of a Martin Arriitta shaker that
will be at Talladega this weekend. Will be the infield
Friday and Saturday from two to seven the local top.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
That is definitely on brand for the infield at Talladega. Yes,
oh Man Bridinger for those who are wondering, he is
running the truck Series this year and so start but
not terrible, right, So twentieth at Daytona, twenty fourth at Atlanta,
twenty one at Las Vegas, so improving each week. We'll

(53:36):
step backwards in Homestead twenty sixth, Martinsville twenty fourth, Bristol
twenty fifth, those are very tough tracks and then at
Rockingham eighteenth, so not bad.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And again, Truck Series is not a good litmus test
for young drivers because it's completely different. And we saw
in real time Hailey Degan's career kind of gets smathered
truck Series.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, exactly. The Truck Series can be tough. That's why,
like I was saying, you know, with the X Series,
that's where you expect a young driver to get get
their experience, because man, the Truck Series is a free
for all sometimes it really is. It definitely will will
make you into a grizzled veteran quick whether you want
it or not. Yeah, or break you down quick. So yeah,
so for her to be hanging in there, you know,

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and then and then to take a step up in
the right direction, so that that's pretty good. There are
thirty six cars thirty six trucks in the field typically
each week, so she's not dipped under the outside of
the top thirty, which is great.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I think.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
And so then to make that step forward get her
first top twenty at Rockingham. It'll be interesting to see
what she does in Texas, which who knows. That race
could be this weekend or it could be like six
months from now. There you go, all right, so a
couple of weeks out. Yeah, yeah, so there we go.
U NAS Energy is gonna be a murkeyston House Junior's car.

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There's a multi race deal. Let's see here what it says.
Are they starting this weekend multiple races?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah? I believe it. It is not starting this weekend.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, they don't say. They're just saying it's a multi
race deal with Hiak Motor Sports and uh and that
that's that.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
That's right, because last week saw I think they were
gonna give not give his car. No, it was it
was on Kyle Blischer's car.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Mah. So so they're
gonna be on the car, but who knows when.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
And then Chad Bencham is racing at Texas for the
Garage sixty six effort. It looks like he's gonna have
multiple He's gonna have each heart, each fact and electric
and then win supply on the car. The ruder looks
pretty cool. It's a pretty cool car. I like the
I like the hood. I like the hood design in there.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
You'll see it on the That's the only way you're
gonna see it, because yeah, true, nothing happened from there.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah, yeah, hood looks better in the side of the
carpet sidecard and look bad. So so that's that's all right.
New sponsor there, and then we then we move on
to uh Talladega.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Barron Burmo Man, I haven't heard that song in forever.
Tell yeah that we were a good reason for it.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
It really is.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
So how many cars do we have in this one?
Sometimes we get we get more.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Oh, I don't know. Let me check out forty thirty
nine for forty wow.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
All right, so you get a couple of extra ones in.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
There, Uh Jim James Yale, uh Fast Pasta and BJ
McLeod oh.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
And then but but Catherine.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Lake two, right, she's in Exfinity.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Oh oh, she's Infinity It taladango.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha, which is even more of a uh,
that's gonna be harder.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
You think it would be easier, but no, no.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Not at all, not at all.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah, you're dealing with a lot of loose cannon's up
in there, man. So uh. That then brings us to
the only thing on NASCAR dot comboch have subsequently ruined,
and then they made it all right for a while
and now it's getting better. They have sixty eight sixty
eight paint schemes in the paint Scheme preview this week.
What what do you like as you scrolly through some
of these cup of Exfinity.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Rides right right off the right, off the hop My
favorite one because it's just it looks it looks nice.
It's synagynistic, that's the word. The number one First Bank
of Alabama, mm hmm, of Carson Kopple in the Exfinity series.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
I was gonna say Ross Chastain, but yeah, let me
see that, let me see that number one. Oh yeah,
we'll get Yeah. I do like that because it's the
number one car and incorporated into the first Bank logo.
Very very clever.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
It's got the it's got the gray and kind of
I guess forum blue, as Lakers fans like to call it.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah, yeah, nice usage of the of the logo there.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Oh, absolutely, yeah, it looks sweet, but a bit, a bit,
a bit. Yeah, I'll give I'll give. I mean the
one that I think rules out as the Jack Sling's
dollar tree. Okay, okay, right on of John Hunter Nema
Jack Yep, yep. So that's a good one. Ooh more,

(58:24):
one more, one more? H again, I mean there's sixty eight,
but we've seen a lot of these before. Ah yeah,
oh no, I think i'd leave that one for you.
I think we might be on the same page on
at least one of those. But don't worry, we'll cut
this and fix this in post. Give me, give me

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the number seventy one, gunk Gunk gunkle the Michael McDowell Carr.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Yeah, I like the gun car. I like the gunk car.
All right, So I'm gonna go, excuse me, gosh and
pick one from the X series MM number forty five,
Caesar macquarel.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
On forty five, remember that song?

Speaker 1 (59:14):
No wait, oh, no, no, I do remember that song.
You totally remember that song. It wasn't that Oh it
was their name?

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Crap.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I can't remember their name. I can't remember that band's name.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I can corner Shop.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Oh is that what their name was?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Oh I didn't know that, Okay, all right, right on.
But the Simcraft Chevrolet, I like the like the the
take on the flames there and the black and the
black and yellow and orange.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Yeah, it is nice. That is It is a good
it's a good look. It's a nice flow.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, because they like expanded the flames so they're like
going off the car. It doesn't look like flames at first,
but then you're like, oh wait.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Those are flames.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Flames. So I dig that one. I would give honorable
mention to the Ali's car because Ali's car is always
the best.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Love and a I got Ali's half a mile from
my house.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Yeah, you gotta have an Ali's car in there in
the Cup series, though, I'm gonna go with I do
like the Arby's car too, but I don't know. I
don't think I'm gonna go with Arby's. I'm gonna go damn,
you know what I am. I was gonna go with

(01:00:23):
the Andy's Custer car, because you don't cold Custer customer
car makes sense, But we we've done that one before.
I want to go with the Arby's car with the
like the smoke on it, the barbecue car looks like
a piece of charcoal that's smoking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Yeah, Arby's Arby's. What is that AC's barbecue or something?

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, Arby's an ac barbecue sauce. Nice. Let me see
if I can find the hood for that one. Images.
Let's see here, No, I can't. I can't find a
rendering of the hood on that's shame weird. And then
the other one that that I gotta go with is wait,
where's my screen now so I can scroll back down?

(01:00:58):
Is definitely the ninety nine Yep, that was the one
I left for you, Daniel Swarez. The Wendy's Frosty car.
It is like out of control, crazy man.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah it is. It is a psychedelic trip.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Yeah. I don't even know what that what that Pien
scheme is supposed to be, but I do know it's that.
I like it. It's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It's good, It's a fun It is definitely a fun ride.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, so I'm like that that's the one. I'm just like,
he's gonna pick that one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
So yeah, for sure, for sure. So I'll go with
those three a little bit, switch them up between all
three of them, different different ideas for each one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Indeed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
So then we got to pick this the stag On race.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Man, last last race, I beat you by one spot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
You did fifteenth for Elliott, sixteenth for Kez. I had
the Elliott. So now you get to pick out of
thirty nine cards, which again, anyone can really win this
goddamn thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
I know they really could, and I didn't realize that
it is the Jack SLINKs Race, so so nice that
they've got the car in there too. Mm hmm, Man,
I don't even know. I don't even know who you
pick in this one. I'm trying to think who's done
well recently. Ummm you know what? Give me? Give me

(01:02:16):
Tyler Reddick.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Tyler Reddick in this one. I don't know. I don't
know if I picked him yet this year or not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
You have any It was at the clash at the
beginning of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
The Okay, yeah, that that doesn't count. Oh yeah, I'll
take Tyler Reddick in this one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Uh I I am. We all know that this race
is the what the kids like to call a crap shoot.
Yeah it is, so I am going to crap shoot
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Michael mcdobll, come on, do it, do it? Do it?
Do it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Oh yeah, Oh that's my pick, is it? Yeah? Yeah,
all right, the gunk car is going to be on
Victory Lane because he runs well at these things. He
does this man fire runs their cars kind of like
that Super Speedway program, and I think he's the best
out of the spire cars. And given the fact that
the tumultuous situation they found themselves in, they'll probably be

(01:03:08):
hell bent on getting a win and saying, yeah, we
don't need Rodney Childers to screw him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Yeah, yeah, no, I I don't dislike that pick. I
mean he always steps up these tracks and yeah, it's
a little bit different, different team, different car. You don't
know what he's gonna do, but he didn't have the
best car before and he was always good at these tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
So right, I mean, it's it's they're one of those
teams that just focus on that race, like those races.
It's it's it's road courses, it's Super speedways.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Do we have a side bet at all?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yes, we do. We have we have to okay, we
have to do a Catherine Lake side.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Oh my gosh, we have to do a side I'm
assuming the Sexfinity field is probably gonna be like thirty
six cars or something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Like that, forty one cars for thirty eight spots.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Oh, so she might not even now, she might not
even make the race, but then she could potentially just
buy her way in. So I'm going to assume that
she does make either make the race or buy her
way in. Right, So out of how many spots are
in the race, thirty thirty eight, my gosh, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And this is the race if you're going to tear
up a car, I mean, it's the odds are you're
going to get one torn up anyway? So might not
Why not let her in there?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I mean, maybe one or two people wreck before her
or yet caught up in the wreck, and they're like
behind her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah, she's in the scoring line, and she rolls ahead
of them in the scoring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Line exactly, you know, yeah, exactly, she's spinning. She spinnings
by them a little bit. Then the caution comes out,
I'll I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and
go thirty fourth. Oh wow, I know that's pretty lofty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Four cars. She's better than dude, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Yeah, I'm not thinking about the fact of just how
much she was off the base. And when you get
off the pace a little bit, just a little bit
of talladega, you're aft. Man. You are done. If even
if you make it to the end, you're done.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Here's what I'm gonna Okay, I'm gonna pick thirty eight.
You should only because if I pick d n Q
and she actually races, it automatically eliminates me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
But looking at this list, A, I don't think she'll
make it on the speed B. I'm looking at this list,
I don't see a team that will give up their spot.
Joey Joey Gaze is in that fifty three car and
he runs the organization. I don't think he's gonna give
up that spot. So you know what, secw it. I
don't care if I lose DNQ, She's not even gonna race.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Oh wow, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
So she races that, I automatically lose, and I'm fined
by that. But I don't think she's going to race
this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
It's very possible. But I mean having the having to
get in on speed, that's good, that's gonna be tough.
That's gonna be really tough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
And then and then trying to convince somebody to let
you drive.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Especially with those rules that they have. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's gonna be really tough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So, I mean, this is again another Jordan Anderson racing thing,
and I don't think they're gonna boot blame Perkins from
his car, although them dumber things have happened.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
And yet another example of how how people are still
kind of clueless despite the ft up nature of a
Cup or an Exfinity starting grid. Right, so they're they're
routinely only thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight cars that

(01:06:39):
show up for a Cup race in any given week,
Like thirty eight, We're like, whoa man, there's still two
more spots, right, and nobody shows up for those. But
then if we can Talladega, you'll get like forty two
cars showing up. It's like, dude, just two of those
people say you know what, We're just gonna wait until
Texas or some other place that nobody wants to go to.
And we're gonna race there because we have guarante spot. Yeah,

(01:07:02):
same thing here with the X series. If it's hard
to get in on time when you don't have owner points,
wait for a race that nobody wants to be in
and go to that one. Yeah, so dumb, so stupid
h Man. All right, So let me see if I
got this right. Uh, you have Michael McDowell in the race,
I've got Tyler Reddick for Catherine leg and the Xfinity

(01:07:23):
the race, I've got her thirty fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yep, I don't even have a racing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
And you more accurately don't even have her in the field.
Come come race day on Saturday. So if you want
to find out who wins the bet, who wins the
side bet, whether the racing was any good, because you're
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There's no reason to me it's all bad. But that's it.
That's all for Wilson. I want to take care yourself.
And someone else has been in the draft of Wilson
in a while. A little history lesson for you. On this
April twenty, five hundred and fifteen days into the year. Wow,

(01:08:27):
only two hundred and fifty days remaining.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Yeah, this day in four oh four b c Admiral
Linsander and King Polonius a Sparta blockade Athens and bring
the Peppolonesian War to a successful conclusion.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
In four oh four man come on or for BC
before the christ Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Seven ninety nine, after mistreatment and disfigurement by the citizens
of Rome, Pope Leo the Third flees to the Frankish
court of King Charlemagne at Powderborn for protection. Oh wow, Okay,
then he has a He actually was on King Charlemagne
Show on Hot ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It got and got roasted buy him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a bad one. Out here we go.
The Charles Charles Fremantle this day in eighteen twenty nine
arrives in the HMS Challenger off the coast of modern
day Western Australia, prior to declaring the Swan River Colony
for the British Empire.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Oh okay, that's somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Yeah. British and French engineers break ground on the Suez
Canal this day in eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Fifty okay, right, eighteen fifty nine of that late Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
No, kind of weird, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
New York this day, in nineteen oh one becomes the
first US state of US state to require automobile license plates.
What year was that, nineteen oh one?

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Okay, oh wow, that's pretty early then, right on, Okay,
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
The United Negro College Fund is incorporated this day in
nineteen forty four. Okay, shout out to that. Nineteen fifty three,
Francis Crick and James Watson published Molecular Structure of nucleic Acids,
a structure for dexy ribo nucleic accis describing the double

(01:10:21):
helix structure of DNA.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Oh, okay, there you go. Everybody's familiar with that, or
a lot of people are.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
I guess I should say there's a company getting going
bankrupt that has a lot of the DNA. Yeah, shout
out twenty three and me. Nineteen fifty four, the first
practical solar cell is publicly demonstrated by Bell Telephone Laboratories.
Did you sound fifty fourty four?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
Yeah, Now it's making us all computers?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah, kind of weird. Interesting. I have a calculator that's
powered by a little solar cell.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Right, How great is that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Bought that when I was in high school?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Wow? Yeah, this day nineteen eighty three, Pioneered ten. How
did you not use advocacys. Pioneer ten travels beyond Pluto's orbit?
Oh wow, into the great unknown?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Oh yeah, exactly that. I wouldn't want to be out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Yeah. Two thousand and five, the final piece of Oba's
leck of axiom is returned to Ethiopia after being stolen
by the invading Italian army in nineteen thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
No, okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Then this was a this is a seventy nine foot
tall Fienlite stelle and its ornamentation with two false doors
and a base and everything like that. So shout out
to that um And then the the UH twenty fourteen

(01:11:48):
Flint water crisis begins in Flint, Michigan's which the woodies
to the city's water supply to the Flint River, leading
to lead and bacteria contamination.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Who would have thought that was a good in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Crazy they thought about that. Oh my gosh, happy birthday
this day in seventeen ten to James Ferguson. Oh my god,
Scottish astronomer known known as the inventor and improver of
astronomical and other scientific apparatuss as a striking instance of
self education and as a lecturer, there you go, shout

(01:12:25):
out to this guy making it see stars. So there
we go. That's so though. Everybody, enjoy what you can
of Talladega, see what explodes and what doesn't. I'll come
back next week and try to gather up all the pieces.
Until then, peace, Thanks for listening

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