Hamlin’s Hot, Dodge Is Back (Sort Of), NASCAR Heads South

Hamlin wins Michigan with a late-race charge, while Hocevar’s heartbreak fuels the playoff drama. We break down the tire trouble, Prime ratings, and a manufacturer return to NASCAR. Plus: our picks for Mexico City!

The Rundown:

- Michigan: Hamlin takes advantage, Hocevar comes up flat
- Prime Video ratings – we break down the demos
- NASCAR standings - Tight playoff battle from 13th to 20th
- NASCAR News:
- Hamlin out for Mexico, Truex in
- Bowman might need a backup
- Dodge is back (again)
- NASCAR to Brazil?
- Small Team Drama! Ron Devine is back
- Sponsor News
- Mexico City: Podium celebration Paint Scheme Preview and Picks!




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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark Georgia.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time poking like hell now coming down, don't know anything
and welcome everyone in the draft with Wilson and was
I'm Wilson here in sunny southern California.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Meanwhile right across the internet from your beautiful studio by
the Bay, version two point zero, it is, well, mister Scottie,
was what's happening in there? Wise?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Man man Acy's just going out everywhere, new cars, AC's gone,
apartment as gone. It's a great time. And ninety four
degrees here.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Oh no, that's so bad. Like I live in perpetual
fear that the AC will go out here, and you
especially Jesus. Yeah, well it's one hundred and five like
right now as we're doing the show, and that's like
down a little bit from the high today, which I
think was like one hundred and eight or one hundred
and nine. And uh. And I've had that happen one time.
One time the air conditioning went out and so then

(00:57):
we went over to fortunately we had a place we
could go that had air conditioning, and then had to
pay like thousands of dollars fix it or whatever like that.
And so now I perpetually live in fear that the
ac is going to go out, because it's not going
to go in the middle of winter when it's like
seventy five degrees out, which that is like a regular
temperature here and winter, it's gonna go out like when

(01:17):
it's one hundred and eighteen. Oh yeah, you know, it's
just Murphy's law, man. But in the car too, you
just got that car.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I know. That's what I'm really pissed about. I think
it's just a belt, that's all goofy.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Right, is there a warranty, like, well they fix it?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, well yeah, we'll fix it. Okay, the warranty is all.
We'll have to figure that out. Yeah, yeah, cross the
bridge when we get to it. It's a lot of issues,
much like there are a lot of Luckily the tires
are staying on, which you can't say for a lot
of teams down there in Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, my gosh, so many tire failures in this Michigan race.
And really, if I'm being honest, that's the only thing
kept that interesting because it kept bunching the field back
up whenever anybody will blow out of you know, a
left or retire or actually it wasn't even just one
tire wasn't even just left rear, so there were multiple
tires that were.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Blowing out yep, front, front, front, rights, front, left, all
kinds of stuff there. And I mean they made a
really good point about it after that first stage that
you know, they hadn't they hadn't run these cars in
the sun, in the direct sunlight because it was overcast
for practice and qualifying and all that. So you know,
they get to the track and everything's starting to you know,

(02:25):
a lot of handling going away from cars, the the
blisters coming on the tires a lot more. And I
mean when you see Danny Sorez come in very early
to get a pit stop and you see that big
blister on his damn tire, you know you're for a
long night.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, And you know, I was surprised by that that
that didn't have an effect on strategy for the rest
of the race, because he came in, he was complaining.
They brought him in, they took the tires off, a
massive blistering on I think it was the left rear
and and forgive me if I got that wrong, but
I'm almost certain it was left her And you would

(02:59):
have thought that that would have adjusted the setup strategy
for the rest of the cars. But no, I mean
guys just kept running and guys kept losing tires, And
I mean Carson Jolsvar could have won this race. Like
he was out in front at the end and then
his tire goes out. Now it was question is whether
he could make it to the end oning Fueld or not.
But still he was leading the race and bam, the

(03:19):
tire goes out and that's the end of his quest
to get his first ever victory.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah. Man, And then that was they were worried about
gas and everything like that. It's like oh oh no, yeah, yeah,
and then pop goes the weasel, because the weasel goes
pop and man, I was I was really chomping, chomping
my nails there. I'm like, oh, no, Wilson is gonna
win this one, and Goodness answered my prayers. I was
a heads had a bad race until the end.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I know, I was very upset about that. By the way.
I was like, come on, man, I can finally get one.
I could pick a winner this year. And then.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, well you know, I ain't listen.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
But I wasn't nearly as upset, I'm sure as Steve
Letart was because I think Steve Watart was going to
adopt him if he won that race.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh yeah, no, absolutely he would have in a big,
big way. But then you know Denny ham Loan, Yeah,
like getting the big win there. Opportunistic, sure, but at
the same time, smart race, smart strategy they had there
and just took advantage and his team really calculated everything properly.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, they did a really good job of calculating that
fuel run. And we saw a couple of guys have
to come in at the very end and uh and yeah,
him when you know, from the get go on that run,
they told him, hey, you're good, You're like a half
lap to the good, so can serve just a little bit.
And then they picked the right time to like, you know,
pull the reins off and let him go at it

(04:37):
and let him catch everybody. And it worked.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, And then you know, big, big, big situation considering
they ran the last fifty green after around the fifty
green and so.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
And and once again, oh my gosh, NASCAR, please once
again another example. Now, this wasn't the best trace, and
I don't know if you have the gluck numbers or not,
it'll be very interesting to hear them, I can grab them.
I didn't think this was a particular really good race, right,
not like the first two that we saw from from

(05:07):
Amazon Prime. And that's not like Amazon Prime does it.
It's just those happen to be good races. So this
one wasn't at that same level. But once again at
the end, because we had a long green flag run,
we had that doubt introduced. It didn't matter that when
you buyer in had a great car all day. Because
of the fuel strategy and because you know, some guys
felt confident pushing and other ones didn't, and some people

(05:29):
were saving and some people weren't. That added like a
whole nother level of complexity to the m plus you
throw in the potential for tire problems the longer that
run goes, and you had so much drama at the
end of this race that it just once again proves
you don't need BS cautions to create exciting moments at
the end of races. And the last three races that's

(05:52):
why they've been interesting, because we haven't had those cautions
at the very very end.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, And I mean it was you saw Amazon go
to the front, but I think that was more of
a situation like we have to see what's happening with
these teams and the gas milege and all that other
fun stuff. So one of those big deal. It was
just a really good race. Like I thought it was
a good race, aside from the fact that it's Michigan
has spanned it out, and for me personally, I thought

(06:17):
it was fine. It was a fine race. It wasn't
going to be a shocker of a race. But I
do have the gluck numbers. Oh good, interesting, So so
it was God, I want to see how many people
that while you, while you give your thing, let me,
I want to see the actual numbers.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
How many people voted on it.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
I mean five thousand, seven hundred and sixty four twenty
five seven six four.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
That's really good. Those are really good numbers to get.
I think that's a really representative example of what fans
are genuinely thinking. I would put the race at I
would say it was good, right, and so I think
that the majority of people said it was good. Personally,
I think I would put it if I had to
pick on a scale of one to one hundred, I
would put it at like a sixty four sixty five.

(07:08):
So I think that the number was like seventy two.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Seventy two is your number? You're twenty off ninety two?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Said it was a good race? Wow, Wow, it was
number one race of the season.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
What, Okay, so I'd see I don't think it was
number one race of the season in terms of excitement.
I don't think. And that's maybe the problem with like
a good bad, just like a yes no rating system
is that there's no room. There's not a whole lot
of room for nuance there, right right, because I think
that the previous two races were both better races. But

(07:43):
do I think this was a bad race? No. If
I was voting, I would say, yeah, it's a good race, and.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
So objective, yeah it's good.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, and so it's you only get a limited view,
but it is still I think a very good metric
that NASCAR should look at. They probably do on a
regular basis because it's getting so many people to vote.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
And I think you look at it this way too,
is you look at it on it's getting eyes to
the market. Yeah, Like it's getting people to look at
this and the numbers have increased this year. It's the
second ninety plus percentage race in the last three races,
like Coke six hundred was the leader at ninety percent. Yeah, yeah,

(08:23):
the short tracks not great this year, Bob, not great.
A couple of intermediates, intermediates, but by and large it
looks like it's like a lot of eighty percent and
things like that. So I mean good, I mean good
for good for them on all this, and good for
Michigan to get a race. And I think it was
good because you look at the presentation Amazon presented it well. Yeah,

(08:45):
So because Amazon presented it well, it gives people, you know,
a big something to look at, right, it gives them
something to kind of adhere to and be like, oh,
this is it's presented. Well. I like this race. I
like how it was presented. I like this race in general.
So it easily just people's ideal that way too.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
And I should take back part of what I said
a moment ago in light of what you just said there,
because you brought up a really good point. So Amazon
doesn't make the race better right in terms of the action,
but I think they're doing such a better job of
covering it that there is an Amazon I think we'll
see an Amazon bump. I think once we go back

(09:24):
to NBC. Who knows a TNT or is the wildcard.
They're definitely gonna be the wild card because it feels
like there's a lot so much crossover that it could
be very Amazon PRIMALI coverage. But I think once we
get the NBC that we're going to see those numbers
come back down, And even if it's a good race,
I think the numbers will be a little bit lower

(09:45):
because they're not going to have that same coverage philosophy.
And I think part of the reason that a race
that I would think is like a in the high
the mid sixties, people would say as in ninety two,
is because Amazon is doing such a good job of
going back in the field and showing the battles. They're
covering it like I remember the coverage, and maybe I'm
just romanticizing it, who knows, but they're covering it like

(10:06):
I remember the coverage back in the late nineties early
two thousands, where if there was a battle on track,
no matter where that battle was, that's where the camera was.
And that's kind of how they're doing it. And plus
now with the newest technology, they can have that split
screen with the leaders up there if there's something else
going on in track, and I think that that type

(10:28):
of coverage will resonate not just with older fans but
with newer fans too because they're constantly seeing something interesting.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, and I think I think it's also the honeymoon
phase as well. I mean that's what all. We got
that with Fox in the nineties as well, when they
were trying to impress and then they got you know,
lazy on us. But I mean, yeah, I mean, I
think you're absolutely right where they go through the field
and they get everybody. And I think that's the key
thing that or at least the mantra that Amazon and
hopefully TNT has is that we want to stand out.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
A little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I mean, we're gonna give you the natural broadcast, but
we want to stand out in that we cover at least,
you know, people you don't know about what we want
you to hear about. And I think also in that
time span in the late nineties early two thousands, NASCAR
has never been hotter, Like everyone was a recognizable name
in the sport, like into the most casual and be like,
oh yeah, I kind of heard of this guy or whatever.
And I think that that helped out a lot too.

(11:20):
That that's what they seem to want to recreate, and
Amazon is to make sure everyone knows who Carson Joseavart is,
who Ty Gibbs is, you know who Chris Busher is,
Ryan Priest. Like they're shouting out a lot of names
that don't get shouted out unless they're like interrect. So
to do that and to track them, I think it's good.
And I think it's it's a good mantra for for

(11:42):
Amazon to have right now and for people. And like
you said, the technology so advanced now you can picture
and picture everything. You can go quad box baby, and
then that happened, So I think it's I think it's
good overall. The thing is just sticking to it and
adhering to it. And and maybe you know, NBC and
Fox will go ahead and take some pages out of
the Amazon book.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
We can only hope, you know.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
I don't think Fox will because I think they're stuck
in their ways. NBC, I think I have a little
more hope in doing it because I think that they
see what's going on, they can kind of take away
from it because I don't has their broadcasting crew been
named NBC do we know?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
No, I don't. I must.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I haven't heard anything about who's in the booth this
year for him.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, because because we had the whole lead defeat, you know,
drama last year, and I don't know if he's coming
back or not yet. We'll have to do some research
on that.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, I know it's kind of kind of a wacky,
wacky situation, but any caase. Uh, Yeah, I think it's
a situation where, you know, Amazon's doing a good job
because the new Kintown they want to impress and show
off their all their fancy stuff. Yeah, they can go
ahead and make things happening.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
So I don't know how accurate this is, but what
I'm seeing here is saying we're back to lead defie
jup Burton, Steve Latar, that Latart will carry over NBC,
and then you'll have Marty Schnyder and then apparently Brad
Doherty and I hope that's right because I love Brad Doherty.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Yeah, Brad, Brad also is part one. Yeah, Braden's part
of the NBC. Yeah, they're part of the He's part
of the NBC NBA deal too.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Oh is he o? I didn't know that?

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, yeah, so he is. He is on that. So
that's gonna be a good, a good situation.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah. And so if they keep like the Dougherty Jarret
cow petty thing, you know that, I think that'll be
all right. But I hope you're right. I hope they
no matter who it is, and if it's Lee Diffy,
I'm all in favor of it that they that they
learn something from this Amazon Prime strategy and and adopt
at least part of it to make things interesting the

(13:44):
entire race, and to talk about those other guys, you know.
I mean half the reason that nobody knows who who
most of these guys are in the field is because
Fox and NBC would never talk about any of them.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, that's true. I mean they're just like there overall.
But uh yeah, I'm trying to look, trying to look
what Lead Diffy is saying for his IMPS half the
series next year before Oh yep, he will be in
the last fourteen cup races. Oh perfect, awesome, he will
be the lead voice. So that's that's a good that's

(14:16):
a good voice.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
We're almost there, dude, We've got we we We've got
what's his name doing the the broadcast now for Amazon,
And thank you Adam Alexander, we got lead, Diffie. All
we have to do is get rid of Mike joy
Like calling a race like he's reading a storybook to
a five year old and we're there.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I do want them to stop calling Adam Alexander double
a because that's arn Anderson and I don't think. I
don't think Adam Alexander's spinebuster is as.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Good as Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Uh, there's that. But but yeah, in any case, they
did a good race, and a good race shows and
then helps produce a ninety two percent and a maybe
help the the By the way, I didn't realize the
Yahoo car had the Yahoo It's all the way around.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
No, I do appreciate that that they did that sick. Yeah,
all right, So let's talk about the numbers for Amazon
Prime because this is very interesting. Initially I was just
gonna be like, oh, it's down again, but it's more,
there's more to it than that. Right. The number for
Michigan was one point seven to seven million on Amazon
Prime last year. The race had a big rain delay

(15:25):
in it, so it's hard to get a real competitive
or a good comparison number. But at the beginning, when
they threw the Green Flag, which was on schedule USA
had two point one one million, so it is down
a bit like four hundred three three hundred thousand from USA.
That's kind of to be understandable because you're talking about
a gatekeeper like streaming thing instead of USA, which is

(15:47):
on basic cable. But Sports Media Watch did a really
interesting breakdown of the numbers and they drew a parallel
to Amazon Prime picking up Thursday Night Football. They said
that the same thing is happening with NASCAR that happened
with the NFL broadcasts, that the overall numbers went down,

(16:09):
but the demos changed significantly from broadcast and in both
cases the younger demos went up by like a good amount.
And they broke down the numbers. So in the first
three Amazon Prime races, comparing those to the same exact
three races on the schedule last year, not not the

(16:29):
same locations, but those same weeks of the year, which
were a combination of Fox and FS one, that the
numbers were down from an average of two point eight
eight million on FS one and Fox. I remember there
was a Fox race involved in there too, So that'scu's
numbers a little bit. And on Prime, the average for
the first three races has been two point twenty seven million,

(16:51):
So that's six hundred thousand less. But when you look
at the younger demos from eighteen to thirty four, which
is a place where NASCAR gets destroyed by like every
other sport, that number is up thirty percent. Now you
have to take it with a grain of salt because
we're going from one hundred and seventy seven thousand to
two hundred and thirty three thousand. We're still not talking

(17:11):
about a huge portion of the audience, but still up
thirty percent. There. If you extend that out eighteen to
forty nine, they're up eleven percent and twenty five to
fifty four, and that is in TV radio. That is
like the money demo is twenty five to fifty four
because these are your professionals, people with dispensable income. That's
up twenty one percent from six hundred and forty two

(17:33):
thousand to seven hundred and six thousand, and so when
you take it and add it up overall, the losses
for Amazon Prime are fifty five plus. That audience is
down forty percent, But that means that everything else, the
younger demos, which is what NASCAR was like losing out

(17:54):
too horribly at a Formula one are up and I
broke down numbers even further here. So on Fox and
FS one, in that three race span, seventy percent, seventy
percent of the audience was fifty five plus. Right on
Amazon Prime, fifty three percent of the audience is fifty

(18:16):
five plus. So it's almost fifty to fifty as opposed
to seventy thirty. And so yeah, the overall numbers aren't
the best for Amazon Prime, and you have to take
into account that those those younger demo numbers were smaller
numbers overall to begin with. But when you if you're

(18:38):
a NASCAR and you're hoping that Amazon Prime serves a role,
that role is probably bringing in younger, more tech savvy people,
and they're doing that now. The average age, the average
age for these three races of a viewer on Fox
and FS one was sixty three years old, and still

(19:00):
with Amazon Prime it's fifty six. But they're inching closer
and closer to reaching that younger audience. And I would
absolutely take the numbers being down overall to be able
to grab those younger people who, if they get hooked
on this series, are gonna watch longer and they're gonna
help build the audience.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
And yeah, I mean you look at the age demo,
the fifty five plus. They don't know what the hell
Amazon Primus Bye and Large, and that's the reason why
they're not gonna be watching. And that's fine. Let them,
let them, let them die.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Like I said, I would much rather give up some
of those people because they're at tech savvy and gain
the people that they're gaining.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
M Yeah, I mean, I mean it's one of those things.
It's just like, let's the reason why Mike Joy is
still in the booth is because fifty five plus is
so high, So just get that out of here and
we'll be fine. But yeah, I mean, overall, it's a
good it's good numbers. I think when you when you
look at it from just the further standpoint rather than
just all the numbers are down, you look at the
demos and look at the younger audience being brought in,

(20:01):
and I think that's what Yeah, like you said, NASCAR
has been wanting that the entire time, and now they
now have a vessel to do that. So here's here's
hope and they can carry that along into Yeah, NBC,
and I think I think it could push NBC and
Fox It to have their streaming their streaming situations be
more NASCAR centric as well, or in the streaming partner
so because they're like, yeah, look, streaming works. Prime is

(20:23):
not on anything else except for streaming. It works. Get
your shit together and let's go mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
And that the real limits test there is, like you mentioned,
how it carries over in if it carries over because
only five races, man, we only have a couple of
races left on Amazon Prime. The big big test is
are those increased numbers going to carry over to TNT
and are they going to carry over to NBC. Now,
I don't think I think it's completely unrealistic that if

(20:52):
the numbers are bumped by you know, in those younger demos,
like roughly twenty percent or so, I don't I think
it's completely unrealistic to think you're going to carry that
twenty percent bump all the way through the end of
the season. I mean, because he's two fing long, you know.
But what I would hope for is that there would
be at least a little bit of a bump at
least on TNT, right, and then maybe when you get

(21:15):
to next year in the Daytona five hundred, because there's
always a lot of buzz about the Daytona five hundred
that those people check in at least for the Daytona
five hundred, and then maybe they come back and they
watch on Namazon Prime again and start that that wave
starts to carry a little bit longer, Right, so instead
of just carrying through TNT, maybe it carries a little
bit in the NBC, and then maybe after Daytona carries

(21:37):
a couple of races into the year, and that's how
you can start to build because you're not gonna like
hook somebody and then they're a diehard fan, right, and
some hoping that they can carry a little bit into
the TNT era and then if it dies off an
NBC that maybe they come back for the Daytona five hundred.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Maybe maybe, just maybe we'll say it all it's all
to be told.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah. NASCAR standings in this one. Despite the fact that
William Byron ran out of gas at the end of
this race, he still leads to standings by forty one
over Kyle Larson, mostly because Wayne Byron was great in
the stages. Denny Hamlin is third He's eighty two points
out after the win. Christopher Bell is fourth minus ninety six,

(22:20):
and then Chase Elliot runs out the top five. He's
at minus one hundred and twelve. The rest of the
top ten Reddick Blaney, Chestain Legano, and Wallace at the
bottom of the top sixteen. That Carson Joseovar tire issue,
combined with guys like Ryan Preece and Chris Busher having
a good day means that things are still very very
close there. Fourteenth place. Ryan Priescee is currently the final

(22:42):
driver that's in right now, because well, Josh Berry saw
outside the top sixteen, and then whoever's in fifteenth has
a win, and I can't remember who that is off
the top of my head. And a priest is tied
with Kyle Busch, but when's the tiebreaker, and then Alex

(23:04):
Bowman is in thirteenth place, he's thirteen points ahead of
those two guys. We still have twenty points, just twenty
points separating prese and fourteenth and Ricky Stanhouse Junior down
in twentieth, and so let's keep our fingers crossed that
it stays that way all the way down to the
end of the regular season Demi Hamlin. That victory was

(23:25):
his third of the year. We still have nine winners
over fifteen races with eleven to go before the playoffs start.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Austin Sindric is who you're looking Sindric? Yes, is fifteen
six at sixteen?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Ohs sixteen?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Okay, yeah, free Bush Cindric, Josh Berry at seventeen. So
Josh Barry puts a good couple runs in that could
be interesting as well, Yeah, because he'll be in the
top sixteen.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Because he'll be in the top sixteen, and then that
battle is really for the sixteenth spot at that point
as posed to being for fifteenth or in this case.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Fourteenth exactly. Yea, our fastest most Oh yeah, what was
the fast most? Probably Byron? Most Byron, fastest Byron.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh wow. Okay, all right, well that works out.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Then they finished twenty eighth. I will grant that, you know, hey,
it happens.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, but it was, you know, just because he ran
out of gas at the end. So I will grant that.
I will allow him to have the point.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I'll allow it.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
So let's move on to NASCAR news and the biggest
story which just hit today Thursday. As we're recording the
show confirmed Denny Hamlin will not be in the race
in Mexico City because his wife is finally having that
baby that they've been on baby watch for which I
didn't realize that they were on a baby watch. They

(24:38):
should have mentioned that on the broadcast five hundred times,
that he's on.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Baby way and this is past tense Catechi.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well that's right, they Okay, So this is the weird
part about it. She had the kid on Wednesday, but
he's sitting out the race on Sunday. I don't know
if that's a Denny Hamlin. I don't give n f
move or if that's like the logistics of getting to
Mexico City on time are kind of crappy, and so
I'm just gonna stay here with the kid.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Well, two things. One, especially now, because a lot of
commercial flights are getting rained out, there's a lot of
Exfinity drivers and cup drivers having a difficult time to
get to Mexico City. Yeah, so that's one thing. That
look because even private planes aren't getting off the ground
because of the torrential downpour in North Carolina, and I
guess it's raining in Mexico City too.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Another thing is that it's a father move. It is
definitely a dad move because you know, as someone who
had a kid, the recovering mother is it takes.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
A minute, I guess, so.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I mean, yeah, it's gonna be a thing. But yeah,
stay home with the kid for three days, not like
not the fifties anymore. You can just say, hey, good
good job game, and then well and there's three winds
and he's exactly.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
There's no truth to the rumor that he looked at
the flights. They were all Boeing aircraft, and so he decided.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
To just stay home, just like you know what, probably
for the best.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
But now things get interesting because he will have missed
a race. That means he didn't attempt the Mexico City race,
and the NASCAR rules say that you must attempt every
race to be in the playoff to be playoff eligible.
So Denny Hamlin will have to apply for a waiver,

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which he'll probably be granted because it's Denny Hamley. He's
got three wins. They're not going to tell him, no,
you can't be in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
But it'd be hilarious if they did.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
It would be hilarious if they did, especially with the
lawsuit thing. But but but then you went back and
looked at the rule change heading into this year, and
he still is going to have a penalty, right.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, so he can he can get the playoff waver,
but it's going to be considered non permissible reasons, which
NASCAR laid out in January with the rule changes that
any medical absence, birth of a child, family emurgency, or
age restrictions. That's fine, you can get a waiver for that.
But and someone calls or mix a lot because this
is a big old but the driver's going to forfeit

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all past and future playoff points for the rest of
the regular season. So Denny Hamlin, once he gets this
waiver will reset at two thousand points in the first
race of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's crazy. So the three wins out the window.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
All all the fastest for the playoff points out, all
the stage wins out. Yeah, rough going there, because I'm
looking at him right now. He's got eighteen playoff points
that are now still got out of here.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
And that is like the gift that keeps on giving
in a negative way because it's not just that he
starts the first round without those eighteen points. Every round
he starts without those eighteen points, He's got to battle
his way from the bottom to the top every single
time to make it inside the cut line. That's a
that's a big ask, you know. I mean, Denny is

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in a different position than a lot of drivers in
the that that he's got his wins. You know, he
he doesn't need to like, he doesn't need to sweat
it as much as like, say, if this happened to
Carson Josvar, like, it'd be a huge deal because you know,
you this is your first time in the playoffs. But
on the flip side of that, Denny Hamlin is the

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Dan Marino of NASCAR. Man, he has never won a
championship and he's racing so well. He's got three wins.
This could be the year he has a legitimate shot.
But not if he doesn't make it to the end
race because he can't make it out of a round,
which is going to get progressively harder and harder to
do because he's going to be going up against better
and better drivers and not have the advantage of any

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playoff points.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
A question, when did this law When did the lawsuit start?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Uh? Right before the playoffs last year?

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Okay, so that's when they well that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
That's when they refused to sign, So they knew that
it was headed towards something, even though the lawsuit hadn't
been filed yet.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
I'm just saying, well, when did that lawsuit get filed?
Do we know off hand? It was near last year?

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Near the It was definitely last year. Yeah, for sure,
it was last year.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
So is this Nascar? I'm gonna put my tinfoil hat
on here for a minute. Please treat me like a
big potato. Did NASCAR put this provision in knowing Denny Hamlin,
who had sued them, was about to have.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
A might miss erase. Yeah, because his wife had already
been with child at that point.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I mean, that's kind of a stretch, but it is.
NASCAR wouldn't necessarily put it by them.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Call me armstrong because I'd be stretching though, But I mean, yeah,
I mean, I know that's not true, but it is.
It is a big hit. But I will say this,
he is he is still better off than Chris Boucher,
who has minus four playoff points. He will be deducted
when he gets into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Well playoffs, So the interesting part about Denny Hamlin being
the first person to miss erase and potentially apply for
a waiver and get it under this new rule system.
Is you know, let's say that Kyle Larson had not
been able to make it to Charlotte to run the

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six hundred because of a similar issue with the NDA
five hundred. Right, NASCAR at that point, because Kyle Larson
is one of the if not the most popular driver
in the sport driving for the most popular team in
the sport, may may have been able to apply for
not just a waiver, but ask for a wave of

(30:34):
that rule as well, because it was beyond his control,
right And NASCAR may have said yes because it's Kyle
Larson and they don't want to like hamstring him in
the playoffs when he could potentially win a championship, which
would be huge for them. But since this happened to
Danny first, who's suing them instead of Kyle Larson? Now?

(30:56):
If he's like, oh, well, you know, Jacobs Racing is like, well,
we want to appeal and we would like to get
consideration here because he has won three races, you know,
and he should be able to keep those playoff points
if and when NASCAR says no. Now, they've painted themselves
into a corner that they can't make that like, they
can't bet the rules for anybody else now. So Denny,

(31:17):
by his position with NASCAR, has kind of screwed the
pooch for any driver, any subsequent driver under this rule
trying to see if they can get some sort of
special exception.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, and I mean you look at it too, because
it's could play into it with bris with Alex Bowman
here mmmm, because he is on the Injured Injured watch
right now and stuff like that, or for anybody for
who's who might be injured or what have you. It's
gonna be definitely interesting to see how this all pans
out and everything like that. They're definitely gonna say no

(31:48):
because they set this rule out and it's like, hey,
we you know it is NASCAR. Though they can go
back on it as much as many times as they want.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
But but like you said before we even started the show,
I mean, for a driver that doesn't have a lawsuit
against some they probably would have been willing to consider it.
But they're not gonna for Denny. And so the precedent
is then set because if they don't do it for
Denny and then they do it for Alex Bowman. Then
it's gonna look like blatant favoritism because of the lawsuit thing,

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which is only going to then give twenty three eleven
in front of remoter sports more ammunition to take the court.
And they'll be like, look, they just did it right here.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
In front of our faces. Yeah yeah, wow. So it
goes with the atmosphere in the world today.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah. So Denny is out in front of.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Their faces and we're powerless to do anything exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Denny is out for sure. Alex Bowman, like you mentioned,
is kind of in limbo right now. He had that
crazy hard hit at Michigan that car went nose on
into the wall, say for barrier or not. It really
brings up a question that multiple drivers have mentioned over
the past three or four years, and NASCAR just has
been so slow to react to. They have made some

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changes to this next gen car to soften up the
front and rear bumper areas, but they really haven't done
anything to protect drivers from a massive collision like that.
And I mean even on the radio Alex Bowman right
afterwards when they were like, are you're right or you're right?
He's like, yeah, I'm okay, but that was like the
craziest track I've ever been in. And it wasn't tumbling down,

(33:23):
you know, the front stretch. It wasn't going airborne or
anything like that. It was just because these cars are
so freaking stiff that something that in the past would
have just been a relatively hard wreck instead is something
that might keep him out of a race because his
back is still hurting him.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
So much and he has a history with back injuries
dating back to twenty twenty three. When he got into
that sprint car wreck. We kept him out a couple
couple of weeks, So I mean it's definitely something of concern.
And yeah, it was just a stiff hit, like you
couldn't hit it, You couldn't hit any more flush than
he did. Yeah, and I mean yeah, I mean it's

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definitely concerned. These Yeah, it's supposed to be safer, doesn't
seem like they're much safer. So many guys are getting injured. Yeah,
it's s used to be quite the opposite of safer.
If if I do say so myself.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I would have venture. I guess that if you went
and found similar recks with the older style cars, that
a the drivers wouldn't have complained so much. The G
forces probably wouldn't have measured so high if it was
an era where they had that those devices in the car.
But most importantly, you probably wouldn't have seen the back
tires come so far off the ground.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh like they did there.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean that was crazy, how how much that car
reacted to it, and then how intact the car was
after the wreck, you know, because they're just too staff.
So Anthony Alfredo is going to be on standby, He's
already going to be there for the Exfinity Series race,
and so that's who there, Hendrick is going with.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
We didn't mention that Ryan Truex will be the oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, Ryan Trucks will be in
the Denni Himlin car, then the eleven.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Carverage And you tell me the last time that Ryan
true Ax drove in a NASCAR Cup race?

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Oh my gosh, I would say like five years ago.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
How would that be twenty twenty? Yeah, m nope, I
think further back.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Really, how old is Ryan Trux now?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Ryan Truex is a thy.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Three Holy crap, I mean twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
A little further back.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I'm gonna I'm gonna scroll down here and look now
is twenty fourteen with a BK Racing. Baby, he like
came out and sat in the garage for Tommy Balbram
Racing in twenty nineteen, but DNQ for for the five hundred.
So this will be the first time he is in
a race in over a freaking decade.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Two generations of cars have come and gone.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Oh no, I mean, yeah, he's he's runn some X races, but.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Still yeah, he's he's been biting his time in the
X and in the Camping World Cuts Series.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
But yeah, I mean it's twenty eleven years, almost eleven years. Wow,
he has not been in a car.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
He's run one national series racist entire year. That was
the Ex Infinity Series in Daytona for Sam Hunt Racing
and he finished seventeenth. No truck races, no cup races.
Obviously for a decade and a year. Yeah, oh no,
what the heck?

Speaker 3 (36:27):
So obviously we found our side bet for this weekend.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Oh shut up, shut up. BK Racing the last team
he drove for.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah, in the eighty three cars in talking about them
here and we'll come back.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Up in this show very soon. Oh, Man so so yeah,
Ryan Trucks Gregg who knew that that Ryan would be
the trucks making a return this year in the Cups?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Shocking exactly. So, I mean, I guess he had that.
He has the same had the same job that Alex
Bowman had for Hendrick where he's the R and gad
guy you all the wind testing and stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
So so the big announcement before Michigan weekend was Dodge
coming back to NASCAR and the truck Well, yeah, it's
good looking truck. Yeah, I don't know what that that
unveiling was with that weird burnouty stage thing where it
was on a post and just spinning around. That was

(37:19):
so stupid.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
It reminds me of that Chris rock Britt It's spinning brother,
It's spinning, It's spinning brother.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Spen exactly already talked that they could eventually come to
the Cup Series. I don't. I mean, I guess, really,
what it's going to hinge on is if this return
to the Truck series results in directly more sales, because
Stillantis is like struggling major uhly with the sales is
majorly word. They're struggling a big time with sales and

(37:47):
so if this moves the needle, then I think they
absolutely will consider a return to the Cup Series. If
it doesn't doesn't move the needle, I think they'll just
pitdle around the truck series for a couple of years
and then shut it down quietly and go away.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah. Absolutely, that's you know, it is what it is.
That's the way it goes with Dodge and it's like,
this doesn't work, we'll see you later.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah. I mean, they're financially not in a position to
just be racing to waste money. So yeah, so this
is definitely a race on Sunday, sell on Monday type
of thing. And uh and so if that works for trucks,
then then that is probably the only way that we
would see them expand in my.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Opinion, mm hmm, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh. Now, NASCAR's senior VP, no, actually he's not senior
VP anymore. NASCAR's commissioner of we don't know where we're
racing this weekend, Steve Phelps, says that he would like
to see a race in Brazil, and now with this
and maybe he was thinking about like a clash in Brazil,
and then now with this points race in Mexico. They

(38:50):
were like, oh, if we're going to race south of
the border, we're going to race north of the border.
So there is talk of them invading Canada and making
him our fifty first rate as well.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
That's good that one. Uh well, I mean they've run
Canada in the in the trucks and uh before and I.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Think xx y x X was up there too.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, so I mean, why not throw a cup race
up there? And you know they got you got a
couple of places to go. I mean you got Edmonton
and you got the in Toronto and all that stuff.
But yeah, good, you know, good expand a little more.
Brazil didn't know they were that hot much of a
hot pot for NASCAR race.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
But I do find it interesting that in this current,
like the US climate, the NASCAR is the one that
looks like they're reaching out to other countries across borders.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Someone's got Jesus, someone's got to do it.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Man. It's only a matter of time before they get
shut down. They're gonna get defunded.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
It's gonna get icy in there. Damn swarre, Is you
canna get a duck?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Just like like they'll get out on the grid for
for I don't know what's after h Yeah for a Pocono.
Then get on the grid for Pocono and they'll be like, guys,
where's where's Danny? And then there's just like a black
SUV driving out of the thing. Yeah, oh my gosh.
By the way, since uh, without delving too far into
that situation, I do live in southern California. I can

(40:17):
confirm anarchy is not rainy here. Nothing is on fire, no,
I can. I can see no fires from where I am.
Last weekend, I drove all around the area. There were
no fires.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
You're telling me, Hold on a minute, hold on. You're
telling me that that that news media is sensationalizing something.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's it's crazy the think that that could be a thing.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
You're you're you're telling me.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I know it's crazy. I think it could happen.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
A politicians are talking out their asses just because one
cuck that made fun of in high school and now
like a then like a like a the mastermind, the
cartoon mastermind with aids now he's got a vendetta against
everybody in the world. You're telling I.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
You know, it's it's shocking, shocking to believe. But there
is a little tiny bit of that going. There's some
truth in there.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
I don't believe it, man. I believe my NASCAR put
those rules in because they Denny Hamlin's wife was pregnant
more than I believe the new media sensationalizing things. How
dare you?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I know, I know it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
I have not they have not, not, not since the
September of two thousand and one, and they sensationalized anything.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Soop. Oh man, I'm telling you, dude, Uh where else
are we in the thing? Uh oh oh oh?

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Small team drama, But I'm bump bump bum bum bum.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Rondevine is back. Everybody speaking of BK Racing talked about
Alex Bowman, we talked about Ryan Truex. Now it's time
to talk about the King.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
He's locked up, isn't he?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Uh No, No, he's not. Shockingly, shockingly, he is still
living in Northern Virginia. Just do whatever he wants.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
No, I'm close enough. I could see if I can
get an interview with him.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
That would be amazing.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
I want to shake your hand for everyone You've messed
out of every kind of money.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
That would be absolutely amazing. So Ron Devine, former owner
of BK Racing, former owner of the former BK Racing
UH pledged guilty yesterday I think, or Tuesday, I don't
know when. He played guilty this week to federal charges
of basically not paying payroll taxes on behalf of his

(42:39):
full time employees at BK Racing. The fun part. The
fun part about this is that he was withholding the
money from his employees. He was saying, Hey, guys, you
got to pay your taxes, so we're gonna hold hold
your taxes we're supposed to. We're gonna put him in
this account over here. He asked two million dollars in
an account that was supposed to then be paid and
escirl account was supposed to be paid to the United

(43:00):
State's government for federal payroll tax Instead, he was like,
that money looks pretty cool. I could do some stuff
with that. And then he just started spending the tax
money on random other things, mostly his other businesses that
needed a financial boost.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
What a god? What a god? This man? Because I'm
up two minds of that. First off, don't don't screw
over your labor. What are we doing here? And come
on stop it? My other my other mind's like, yeah,
f the feds, who cares, he'll go with it, don't pay,
you know, commit tax fraud all day every day.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, he was a little ahead of his time, wasn't he.
He was.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
He was doing it before everyone else is doing it.
God bless. I mean, obviously he didn't do it to
help you know, Burger King grow, But that's fine, right,
It's probably just a franchise e dog.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
So he made some sort of deal, like he cut
some sort of deal with the Feds, and we don't
know what that deal is yet, but the deal was
he will plead guilty and then there's gonna be sort
of reduced sentence. Now, the fun part about it is
that the potential the potential sentence here would be up
to five years in prison and up to two hundred

(44:10):
fifty thousand dollars fine. So I'm figuring that the deal
that Divine made with the government is like, hey, I
don't want to go to prison, so i'll pay the
two hundred fifty thousand dollars fine if you just recommend
the fine instead of prison time. And the Fed said, yeah,
it's not realizing that the only reason that Ron Devine
made that is because he doesn't have any money. He

(44:30):
doesn't intend to pay anybody any money. Even even with
this judgment, he doesn't have a quarter of a million
dollars and so or even if he does, he's not
planning on paying anybody with it. And so of course
he would say, yes, I'll pay the fine instead of
doing the time, because I don't intend to give you
a dime anyway.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Listen, I'll pay that fine just like I paid my
workers again exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
It's just like I paid you guys the first time
for the taxes.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
And the FED and the FEDS are like, you know what,
we trust you, no, right, Nothing we've made in the
last six months has been you know, going on us.
I think we're making good headway here.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, they're like, that sounds perfectly reasonable.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
We'll allow you to do that like a great business man.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Now, I'm just speculating there, but but I think it's
pretty safe.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Bet you know what, that's a solid case, colic foundation
for that.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
So we'll find out. We'll find out what happens when
it comes to sentencing, which hasn't been scheduled yet, whether
whether Divine actually goes to prison, which I don't think
he will, or or or if he just gets another
find that he's just not gonna pay um. So this
weekend is Mexico City Race. They're gonna not just have
like victory Lane. They're gonna do a podium celebration in

(45:43):
this one. Now, they did podium celebrations in the in
the California clashes, so the class the Colisseum, they did
a podium celebration with three medals. Top three people stood
on the podium, they all metals. They're doing something similar
in Mexico City. They're going to celebrate the top three

(46:05):
guys instead of just the winner. I guess because they've
crossed borders and there are a lot of F one
fans there or something like that. I don't know. To me,
I can't decide if this is just them trying something
new to try to attract Formula one fans it might
be in Mexico City, or if it's kind of pandering

(46:25):
a little bit. If they're like, oh, you guys are
furners and we know that you guys don't understand what
we do, so we'll try to do your thing.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Yeah, you mean tradition, you'll follow your tradition. I mean,
that's that's fine. If they're doing that. I mean, I
don't know if I don't think it's pandering.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I don't think NASCAR is that high minded.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
No, I don't think they are. But I think I
don't think they're pandering as much as we would like
to think, although it is kind of as you know,
it's kind of in the back of my head too,
But I think they're just doing it because maybe they're
just trying to I thought they did the Chicago Street
Race very well. Could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I can't remember that. I couldn't care less about that
race in general. But yeah, I mean I think fine,
it's fine. I think it's traditional with what they do
otherwise and make eical for their races, So I think,
you know, I think all the lower division series kind
of do it in short track. I'm surprised you didn't
do it when they introduced all those short track initiatives.

(47:20):
They do they vodiums and stuff. So but you know,
man doesn't hurt anybody. It's fine, I guess.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
So, yeah, I'm down the sponsorings. I don't know if
you have anything other than no.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I think that's just the all the flights, everything, all
the practices and stuff got pushed back because of the
flight issues, So that's happening. The promoter, the all, oh
the trucks, all the all the all the haulers had
to cover up all the alcohol and tobacco and you know,
chew on their cars going into Mexico because it is

(47:58):
illegal to promote such objects.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, that's kind of interesting. You know, this is something
that has happened on a regular basis in Formula One
and other international series because there are countries, most notably France,
where there's very few things like that that you can promote,
and so you know, you see these alternative paint schemes
like for years, for years, the Ferrari team was sponsored

(48:23):
by Marlborough, right, and you could even after the television
band for a little while after the television commercial ban
in the United States, you could still so cigarette companies
could still sponsor cars and series. And so that's why
we had the Winston Cup series for so long, because
Winston was allowed to sponsor the series and they did

(48:45):
so because that was the only way they could ever
get on TV. Right, And so it's the same thing
Marlborough was on the Formula One cars for Ferrari, and
so when they would go to like France or another
country where you couldn't advertise tobacco products, they would just
change it to like this barcode and I guess the
barcode if you scanned it, it would be like Marbor or

(49:05):
something like that. So they'd just be like this red
cars with a Marber or with a with a like
a like a UPC style code, like a barcode on
the side of it. And that kind of then became
synonymous with that team for a while, and then after
that they just kind of dropped it and they just
kept the red and then now they're just sponsored by
other people. Yeah, so it's not unusual for like liquor

(49:30):
or even beer to have to change the paint scheme
or take the logos off the cars. I didn't know
that was a thing in Mexico though, So learned something
new for sure.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yeah. Look good for that. They're smarter.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah. Yeah. When it comes to sponsor News Children's Healthcare
of It Atlanta is in their seventh eight seventh season
of doing their partnership with the Number nine car of
Chase Elliot at Atlanta where they allow one of the
kids in the Pediatric Cancer Award to designed the car.
I don't have the girl's name is it right? Right?

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Starts with a R. I can't remember what her name is,
and I feel terrible about that. Let me see if
I can find it. It's in here somewhere. But but this, uh,
this eleven year old girl designed the car, and I
think it looks I think it's fine. I think it's
a really cool car.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
M hmm, yeah, it looks nice. Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Always good to have these kind of cars out there.
I mean those are always always a nice, nice little
car or a nice car to see and everything like
that and get the participation going.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
So yeah, exactly all of those cars are fine, and
this one, I think is one of the one of
the best ones they've done yet. So congratulations to the young,
young lady who who designed it. Arby's. Okay, so this
is a track thing, and I only put it in
here because I don't understand. Arby's is a brand new

(50:53):
founding sponsor of the Chicago Street Course and now the
Chicago Street Courses in its third year. So how could Arby's,
just now three years in be a founding sponsor.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, I'm entirely sure how that works out.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
I don't know how that I have a time machine,
and they go back and they put RB's. They superimpose
Rby's in all of the shots from previous years.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Did they go back and just put the meats in?

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I think they did. They just put meats. You don't
even see the Arby's logo. You see stacks of meats
around the track.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Yeah, exactly, just like here we go.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
And then something called Dorman Products is going to be
on the number seven, the Justin Haley car Pocono, which
apparently they're close to selling out, which is great for
Pokemon them. I like that.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Always a fun crazy scene there.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Oh yeah, it is the field. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Um.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, so that's what I got. That takes us to
Mexico city.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Man, take me down to a Mexico city where the
grass is green and the groves up.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
That was that was on the serious XEM on the
way home today from work.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Oh nice, it's quite good. Uh thirty seven cars?

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Who is our thirty seventh Katherine Leye, Oh my gosh, okay,
I forgot about this all right? So get this. I
stumbled across a page where they had the odds, the
like the book Bookmaker's odds for this weekend's Cup Series race,
and unpredictably, Catherine Leg is one hundred thousand to one

(52:23):
or no, sorry, she's plus one hundred thousand. That's not
one hundred thousand to one. It's different. She's plus one
hundred thousand to win the race. So if you bet
ten dollars, you win a little over ten thousand dollars, right,
That's not surprising at all. The surprising part is that
she's not the only person at the one hundred plus
one hundred thousand dollars level or plus one hundred thousand level.

(52:46):
They've given her the same chance of winning as Tie
Dylan and Cody Ware. And I'm like, dude, seriously, like,
I understand that Tied Dylan and Cody where are not
going to win this race, But if it came down
to it, I think that ninety nine out of one

(53:07):
hundred NASCAR fans would say in a straight up race
that Tie Dellan and Cody War would beat Catherine Leg
to the tri to the checker flag. So I don't understand.
I think it's an insult to Tie Dollan and Cody
War to have them on the same oddsmakers level as
Catherine Leg in this one.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
No but I think that that's just the way it goes, like,
you can't go any further than one hundred thousand, I
guess in that one.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
So I mean, I mean they could have made him
like ninety nine thousand, could have you didn't?

Speaker 3 (53:38):
So? Uh for for your one hundred dollars bet for
the plus one hundred thousand, Yeah, put one hundred dollars down,
you you win, Yeah, one hundred.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Thousand, one thousand one or a bucks Man.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
It's good, it's good.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
But if you're throwing a CEO, you got a choice. Yeah,
do you want Cody war you want Tied Dylan, or
do you want Catherine leke.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
As was down to those three and I pick them.
D you got.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Stranger things have happened, stranger things not coming out to
the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
By the way, I never watched the first whatever season,
So you're good. Ummm, But but any we got some
some paint to look at you.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before we get to any kind of picks,
we gotta do the only thing a good thing on
NASCAR dot Com, which is subsequently ruined. And then they
made it good for a while and it was kind
of in the middle and now they're getting they're getting
their mojo backed. They're doing all right. They have sixty
seven paint schemes across two series that are running this
weekend in Mexico City. As you look across all of
these paint schemes, what do you like it? Are there

(54:42):
any Is there anything that stands out to you?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Oh? There's a couple of to stand out. But I
don't want to take all the good ones.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
No, no, go go for it, man.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I you know what I will. I will start with
I don't like that because I don't like the swirls.
I'm gonna start with a very weird one because I
don't I guess. I guess NASCAR and their sponsors do
not care about IP theft. I'm going with the number ten.
Ohio Logistics. Oh, I was gonna say Logistics straight up

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stole the AT and T logo.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Oh they did. It does look like an A C
T logo.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
That is the AT and T logo. Dog, We changed
the color, made the middle thout.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
It's totally different.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Never got there's that.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I'm looking at the A, T and T logo again. Okay,
so the ATT logo. Technically the swirls like change size
a little bit, but that's about it.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
But on this one that they changed size a little too.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Uh, not as much, not as right.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
You're totally right, man, Like they lose in a trademark.
I was looking for another one. But give me the
forty seven fun Pops. Yeah, Ricky Stenhouse.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
The Bump Pops car is awesome. It looked awesome when
they ran it under the lights at Charlotte. I'm glad
it's back.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Yeah. And I want to say the car that we'll
get the most booze this weekend will be the number
eleven of Josh Williams with the American with the with
the Eagle carry and American.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
You know what I saw that the Alloy Employer Services car.
I'm like, guys toned off, much like, seriously, this is
what you're gonna take to Mexico City.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
No, But then you look at Josh Williams and you're like, yeah, no,
this is kind of tracks. I mean, come on, man,
but give me the number DOUBLET of the Pit Boss Grills. Yeah,
beef on the side.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
And I like the subtle nod to the fact that
they're going to Mexico putting carne asada, little race.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
A lot of a lot of these cars could be
a little racially inclined to what are we doing here? Guys?
What do you got? There's plenty of plenty of the people.
There's a lot of good cars this week.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
There are there are a lot of good cars. I
like that multiple manufacturers are multiple teams rather and sponsors
leaned into the idea that this races in Mexico some
better than others. Number eleven car so like brand throws
the uh throws the agaves on the car instead of

(57:34):
the regular corn or soybeans, things like that. But I
I think that the Exfanity series did a much better
job this week, yes, than the Cup Series. So I
will start in the Cup Series. Just one I want
to pick. In the Cup Series, I'm going to try
to stick to the theme of we're racing in Mexico.
So in the Cup Series, I'm gonna grab the the

(57:54):
Chris Busch or number seventeen bodyguard car with the Dia
del Smartos skull just like suddenly put back there in
the orange on the on the back. I'm hoping it's
on the hood too. Yeah, I don't know if it is,
but I'm hoping it is. And then I'm gonna jump
down to the Exfinity Series and the two cars I'm

(58:15):
gonna pick in the X Series. Oh man, I like
that Quaker Steak car.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
That is nice. That is a nice cool scheme.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, and that is not like a lean into the
Mexico thing, but it says tell sell on it. So
I'm gonna pick the Daniel Squears number nine Quaker Steak Car.
That's better than the Quaker Stak cars that we've seen
in the in the Cup Series. And then my big
wiener for the week has got to be the number
forty five Brad Perez Sendero Provisions Company car.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
They got the skull with the cowboy hat, they got
like the the turquoise and tan like kind of like
a maybe like as tech like type of theme to that.
Plus the car looks really good and I like that
they picked off white.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Yeah yeah, no, it's definitely a nice little It goes
with the kind of the southern the Mexican feel.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it's a combination. It's like a text Max.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Yeah, definitely, it's a text mex car. I didn't want
to pick the Wendy's, the Wendy one look cool, the Frosty,
But I don't like the concept of swirls for Frosty,
the frosty swirls that they have out.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Are they gonna swirl Frosty's? Is that what that's all about? Yeah?
And I thought they did that car ready, did they not?

Speaker 3 (59:27):
They might have, but let me see if I can
see what a frosty swirl looks like. Well, then you
know these names aren't that difficult?

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Oh oh, I see, okay, so they so they put
like stuff in him, like strawberry and chocolate and caramel.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Finally cut up to dairy queen from nineteen.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Sex basically, yeah, they did, or they or they took
like McDonald's Sundays from the nineteen sixties and then made
them in the drinks.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Right exactly, just like now, guess what their ice cream machine?
Ice cream machine doesn't work? Ours does? We're gonna swirl
things exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
The car does look good, though, I do the car.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
It does look it does look fancy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
It's good, good look, good looking car.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Yeah, all right, so picks time last week? I won?
Mm hmm, nope, the host of our Oh that's right,
I didn't win. I was gonna win.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
You snatched defeating the out of the jells of victory gratulations,
brooke your four rates win streak.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
He really did.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
So. Now we're in Mexico and we did not have
a side bed last week. No, we didn't because it
was Michigan. Just like, what is this?

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
It was like thirty six cars. It wasn't really nothing
to bat on. Yeah. Wow, So I get all thirty
six for this.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
One, Catherine Lagan there, I.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Get all thirty six for this one, and of those
thirty six, I'm gonna take. Man, this is a tough
one first time at the track. That's the thing, all right,
And that's why I'm gonna go with this particular driver.
I don't know if he's gonna win, but he's I
just know wat a track where nobody has any experience

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that he's gonna have an advantage that'll probably put him
in the top ten. I know it's cliche, but you
gotta give me SVG on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
I know he's not been having a good year, but
but the nobody having seen this track is the equalizer.
That was what brought him the prominence in Chicago, and
so that he's got that same advantage here plus plus
the trackhouse cars have been racing better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Yes they have absolutely, Yeah, God, where do I want
to go?

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
There's so many guys you could pick here that that
are good at world courses. I mean, Chase Elliott, Christopher
Bell would be good here. M hmm. We and Byron
Is Jimmy Johnson in this ring. Oh no, Tony, Tony Sture.
You could pick Tony Stewart, He's great at ro courses.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, I am, Uh, I am going to just say.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It here, John Hennima check do it close?

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Uh. There's only one story that can really really chap
the ass tie to the guy in March. No, the
guy in charge, Ryan tricks Noe. Well, that would be great,
That's what I bet. No, the the the the orange
man with no pants, we'll really chap his asses. The
he tended to race. All his minions are attending races.

(01:02:24):
But Danny Suarez takes the victory a nice one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I hope you win.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
I hope I win too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
I hope I hope you beat me on that one.
I hope they're won two.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yeah, that'd be perfect. And then yeah, you really chap
they'll just not let not let NASCAR back over.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
The boarder exactly. They'll they'll let almost all of them
back over the border. At that point, somebody is gonna
get caught in customs if they that trophy can't come back.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
With you, sir, that's trophy, that's full, that's full of things.
Why are you going to l a I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Gonna pull your visa for winning a race?

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
All right? So I got Danny Suarez, but the side
bet is Ryan TRUEX because as it raced in eleven
almost eleven years in the Cup series. Last last week
we had a push. Last two weeks ago we had
to push with Catherine Lake danquing the X race.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Yeah, Before that, you won the Charlotte Cookoff with Jimmith Johnson.
He finished fortieth. You picked twenty eighth. I somehow was
I guess I was drunk at the time I picked fifteen?
Were you know? Who's the same? But oh, man, so
I will I will take lead here since.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah, please do give me something to go off of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Ryan tres in a in a Denny Hamlin car, a
car that he's tested. I'm sure he's done shakedowns on
and simulations and everything like that. New track not necessarily
known as a road course.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Go oh, and that's the thing is like, yeah, I
mean it just happens to fall this way that he's
their backup driver and it's just not his style.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I am going to give him, you know what, I'm
gonna double down what I did with Jimmy Johnson. Give
me fifteenth Ryan what. I still think the car is
going to get him, Like the quality of the car
with Joe Gibbs Racing is going to get him into
the middle better than better than half the field.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Oh man, so with Tory Racing Enterprises or rip Tory.
He was fourth at Chicago twenty seventeen at the street Course. Man, Oh,
I'm sorry, No, that was Chicago Land. Oh, Chicago Land.
What year is this twenty seventeen? Man, you're making it

(01:04:44):
easy for me. Thirty second? Wow, I can play it's
safe and pick him thirty second. Leave a little bit
of room.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
No faith in him, no zero pressive. Plain God, I
don't even know what the midpoint on that is. That
would be somewhere like twenty twenty twenty seven or no,
you got them fifteenth right? Yeah, I don't know something.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Here I can do the math of fifteen plus. What
did I pick him? Thirty second divided by two is
twenty three point five. Okay, Oh, I'm feeling confident.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
I'm feeling confident in mine. So on that twenty three,
I think he's gonna finish twenty second, I'll I'll get
the fractional win you good will. I will take a
hollow victory.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
That's so twenty three or better. You got him twenty
four under I got him. Um uh. So you're picking
rnand trucks to finish fifteenth, I'm picking them fish thirty
second in Mexico City. As for the race itself, I
have Seeman Ginsbergen, You've got Daniel Suarez. It's a track
house VI track house. Who's gonna win the race? Who's
gonna win the bet? Who's gonna win the side bet?

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Is it going to be any good? We don't know.
We're moving in the uncharted Terear tory here. But the
way you can find out if you don't watch the
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the wise man tells you to do. Right about now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
In the draft show dot com it is a website
still still with small pictures. I gotta figure out we
have bigger picture there is We've got bigger pictures. Now,
what the hell's like you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I don't know you got the bigger pictures now because
it's got the Yahoo all the way around the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Maybe uh well, I mean I did do an update
on the like updated the stuff. Oh my gosh, it
is it popped up big for me too?

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Not that man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Yeah. Maybe maybe when I did that, updated that plug
and maybe that did it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Maybe you did it. So there you go. That's the
website you can go to. It's a great time we
follow social media.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
That In the draft show, I didn't know that Danny
was gonna win that race when I picked that picture.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Beautiful work. Yeah, if you knew, you would have picked
the island.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
So that's it. That's all for Wilson. I wanted to
take care of yourself and someone else. It's been in
the draft of Wilson to want some history stuff for you. Yes,
the thirteen twenty five in Bactuda begins his travels, leaving
his home in Tangiers to travel to Mecca, for he
was gone for twenty four years.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Oh wow, that's yeah, quite a pilgrimage.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yeah. Thirteen eighty one, in England, the Peasants Revolt, led
by A. Watt Taylor, comes to a head as rebels
set fire to the Savoy Palace.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Oh boy, they must have parked the tesla there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Yeah, I know, happens. Man happens. Fifteen twenty five, Martin
Luther marries Katrina von Bora against the celibacy rule decreed
by the Roman Catholic Church and none.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah, we know why heed that thing to the door.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
We're gonna say he got those ninety five reasons. Seventeen
seventy four, Rhode Island becomes the first of Britain's North
American colonies to ban the importation of slaves.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Oh okay, good, let's good oneod.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
For got it like that. Eighteen fifty five, a twentieth
the twentieth opera of Giuseppe Verde, The Sicilian vesper Is
premiered in Perry.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Oh. I wouldn't have been to be able to tell
you what the name of the thing was, but the
vesper part.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Oh is that a scooter?

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Oh no, it's spot little motive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
It's a little motorbike.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Eighteen ninety five, Emil Lavassour wins the world's first real
automobile race. He completed the seven hundred and thirty two
mile course from Paris, Bordeaux and back in under forty
nine hours.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
An under forty nine hours. Nice. They could have they
could have started a little smaller in scale.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
The impressive speed of the fifteen miles per hour race.
I love it got like that. Nineteen twenty seven, Charles
Lindberg received a ticker tape parade up Fifth Avenue, New York,
New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
The cleanup on that was yeah, I bet.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
M. In nineteen sixty sixty, US Supreme Court rules Miranda
versus Arizona that the police must inform suspects of their
Fifth Amendment rights before questioning them. So you got to
get that Miranda rights down, Leading Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
And yet all those people on YouTube were like, yeah,
I'll still talk to you. Then, yeah, I'll still talk
to you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Better come on now. Thankfully it thanks for entertaining videos
for us after that, right exactly?

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Ummmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
The nineteen ninety four, A Jury and Anchorage, Alaska brams
the recklessness by Exon and Captain Joseph Hazelwood for the
Exxon Valdez disaster. Oh wow, that had victims seek fifteen
billion and damages with a B.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Holy crap.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Yeah. Nineteen ninety nine BMW wins the twenty four hour
Laman Nice got that going for him. Congrats to them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Twenty eighteen Volkswagens find one billion euros over an emission scandal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Another B.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Another B was no less and happy Happy birthday dual.
Happy Birthday in eight twenty three to Charles the Bald
Well Nice and eight thirty nine to Charles the Fat
so born this day. You gotta love that. Sixteen years apart,
both the Holy Roman emperors at one point in time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Do we do we know that they're different people? Or
did he just evolve over time?

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah? Yeah, no, No, Charles the Bold was one guy
and then he and his Charles the Fat followed him.
Oh my gosh, it's just fun to see the same day.
I love it. That's it. That's all. Everybody enjoying Mexico
enjoyed Father's Day. Happy Father's Day out there. That your

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folks out there and have a good rest of your week.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Thanks for listening to In the Draft with Wilson and
Waz