Is it a Big Deal Nobody Came to Bristol?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark George this time smoking like hell now coming down,
Come on, don't anything and welcome everyone in the draft
with Wilson and was, I'm Willson here in sunny southern California.
Meanwhile right across the internet from here, a beautiful studio
by the Bay, version two point zero. It is, well,

(00:24):
mister Scottie was what's happening there? Watsman?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, you know, it's the Eastern time, it is.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
He's risen and and uh and and you're gonna you're
gonna have to hope that your bank account has been
risen to afford eggs if you want to paint them
with the kids this year.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I know why.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I mean, you know, if you've got a couple hundred
bones to drop, you can go get get look to
two dozen eggs, three dozen eggs.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Maybe let's get the plastic ones. What are we doing?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Joeannes is shutting down. All the craft story a shutting down.
There's no pain anyway, You're not gonna go epo.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, yeah, you should alway to the plastic ones. For
the simple fact that once you paint a real egg
and then the kids find it for Easter, or you
find it for Easter. All you get is the heart
boiled egg inside where the plastic egg has like the
good stuff inside.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I was gonna go go plastic eggs because they don't
buyout a grade.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
That's true. So you can use them over and over
and over again and.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
All that, and you can just throw them into your
toilet and flush it and then let Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
For sure, yeah absolutely, yeah, yeah yeah, especially if you
got one of those good toilets where you just right
on down.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Exactly where you can like the ones you see at
home depots, like we can flush eight billiard balls, like
eight billiard ball down the toilet doing what.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Are you eating? That's a lot of cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's a lot of that's Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
And when I say the good stuff is inside the
plastic egg, obviously, I mean yeah, crack yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
I know you grew up in Peacha County.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
You know, wats and lots and lots of cocaine inside of.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
The whole hold the egg is actually an eight ball.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Shout out Marion Barry alrightp ohen no is he's no
longer with us? I mean I can't understand that he'd
be no longer with years ago. Oh Diddy, okay, all right,
all right, okay, yeah, I mean it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, he died eleven years ago.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Oh really eleven years ago. I mean it's not like
he was his uh, recreational activities were conducive to a
long life.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
No, no, surprising that line exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, man, I guess we got to talk about a race.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
That's boring to tell. Man.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Actually, actually we do need to talk about the race,
but not necessarily because of the race, although the racing
is a component of this. But I don't even know
what your order taken. Well, we'll take in the race first,
all right. So Kyle Larson just like completely dominated the race. Yeah,
he like four hundred and eleven of five hundred laps.
Who else is up there, like counter Zilich for like
a minute, some other people.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Not even that, Like I mean I think it.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Was Carson Holsavar. It was Carson Holsavar, yeah, for a
couple of minutes. And and Alex Bowman off the start,
but then he had engine problems. But it doesn't even matter.
It didn't even matter at all, Like whoever would have
potentially gotten in the lead, Larsen was just going to
pass him. The two things that are very interesting here
about this is I mean, we went into this race

(03:14):
after Martinsville thinking, dude, is Bristol going to be like
just as bad? And it was even worse number one
and number two. The strange part about it is that
as they were doing practice, everybody was talking about the
fact that the tires were falling off so much that

(03:34):
guys were coming in from their practice runs that had
chords showing and they're like, oh my gosh, this is
going to be like a crazy race. Tires are going
to be a huge factor. Managing tires are going to
be a huge factor. None of that panned out. It's
just normal, normal intermedia track race. This happen to be
a Bristol Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean three cautions yeah, two were stage conclusions. Yeah.
One was the incident between Van Ginsburg and Cody Ware
and then Kyle Larson just drives through the field and
leaves only eight people in the lead lap. I mean
it was a boring, brittle it's almost like dirt. It
was like almost dirt Bristol.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, for sure, quick race though it was quick that
it was like the icket the quickest race in modern
Bristol history for a while, Like it was like two hours,
just over two and a half hours or some such
or so well.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
And then the next big topic that came from the race,
outside of the fact that it was boring as hell,
is the fact that there was nobody there, Like it
was shocking how empty the stands were. And there are
a couple of different facets to this, and the biggest
one that confuses me is that nobody knew that the

(04:46):
race was going to be shit at Bristol, Like nobody
knew that. Now. Bristol has been having attendance problems for
a long time and it's a really big place, and
it's not like they can just take down grand stains
like they do in other places. Although it was like
a couple of years ago, like over the past year
a year and a half or so that they've had
races where they haven't sold the turns right, and then
they just cleverly try not to put that on camera

(05:06):
so they can't take stands out and so you either
have to not sell sections or if you don't have
more than fifty percent of the tickets sold, it's gonna
look empty as hell. And it really does make me
wonder what on earth the brickyard is gonna look like,
because that place seats twice as many people, oh more
than twice as many people as Bristol does. But you

(05:30):
can't blame the low attendance on the fact that it
was boring ass race and Colarson dominated because nobody who
bought a ticket knew that was gonna happen. They were
all hoping for a good race. So that means that
people weren't buying in on this race before they even
knew that it was gonna be shit.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, I mean, you look at the people's buying power
these days with I mean, we talked about eggs earlier
and but like, honestly, there's so much more you can
put money towards rather than overpriced tickets for evidence.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I think that's what it comes down to, honestly.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh yeah, I know it has to, because I mean
you look at everything going on. It's like, why would
you know, I groceries are costing three times more than
they ever have been, So I can't go to this
Bristol race because you know, I want to live to
I want to eat to live. Yeah, And I mean
they NASCAR doesn't put out a good product. They don't
promote the product as well as they used to. There's
not enough personalities as there used to be in the

(06:25):
sport that our maintainstream appeal. So I think that you
get that problem too. So so it's just it's a
perfect storm of not wanting to go to the track
because they've don't They've they've killed it down where there's
nothing outside of the race itself that you can do.
They killed it down that the prices are way too

(06:45):
damn high. They killed it down where there's not really
many drivers you want to root for anymore. It's hard
to get into a sport where no one is likable.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, well, and and keep that in mind, everybody's listening,
keep that in mind, because we don't we don't pair
of the show beforehand. So I don't know what Scott's
gonna say, is't know what I'm gonna say, But we're
gonna bring that exact topic back up here in a
couple of minutes when we get to the NASCAR news,
because that lack of personality is really, really glaringly bad now,

(07:16):
I think more than ever. And so one of the
guys who used to be a great personality in the.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Sport, I would argue, he still is.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I guess, so but Kenny Wallace, he went on a
rant on Twitter. Now let's preface this or give some
context here, right, So I don't know this from for
a fact. This is hearsay. This is just my speculation.
But Kenny Wallace's mo O is typically race starts, he

(07:50):
sends out a couple of tweets, opens up a twelve
pack of beer, and then as the race goes on
and he has more and more of those and gets
more and more a little tip. See, then the tweets
just come like like he ends up at the end
of the race. He's like plastered and he's just like
tweeting every thirty five seconds, right, And so you get
like one hundred and fifty tweets over the course of
a race. The first ones are relatively reasonable, and the

(08:12):
last ones are like, ah, God, I love you guys.
We're all God, I hate you guys. Right. And when
people started noticing that there was nobody in the stands
like Kenny Wallace took offense to this and he basically
told everybody that they're just being you know, like keyboard
jockeys that are just want to criticize everything, and that
they need to shut the f up about it, and

(08:34):
I'm not even I'm under selling that. It was an
exploitive laden rant about how everybody needs to shut the
f up about the attendance, that the attendance doesn't matter,
and at this place sets one hundred and fifty five
thousand people and we're in an era and now in
NASCAR where you're never going to fill a place up
with a one hundred and fifty five thousand people. But
that's not a problem. I said something that you people
should be complaining about, and if anything, it's your fault,

(08:57):
not my fault or NASCAR's fault, because you're not coming
to the race. And look at me. I'm here at
the race, right and there's so many like layers to that.
There's so much to unpack there, and not the least
of which was how Ken he presented it like he
he after he went on the rant, then he was like, Oh,

(09:21):
all the people behind their keyboards who you know, were
complaining about it, weren't there. But I was right. And
then he posts a bunch of pictures of him on
set at a TV show with Jayce Elliott and for
some reason, Johnny Bench was there, and I don't understand
that at all. Like he was one of the going on.
He was one of the Grand Marshals too. It just
didn't that didn't compute because they were in Bristol and

(09:43):
that's not Cincinnati. But anyway, so he's there with when
John Roberts was there, I don't know what I think.
Guess they were maybe doing like a throwback show or something.
I don't even know, but John Roberts was there, Chase
Elliott was there, Austin Dyllan was there. So it's him
just hobnob him with like the the rich people, and
then like two days later in his feet because I'm

(10:04):
scrolling through his feet trying to find all these comments
that he made. He's like shown himself on vacation in
Italy and stuff like that, and I'm like, dude, if
all of us were like independently wealthy retired drivers that
got show invites and had fu money and didn't have
a job that we had to go to every day,
yeah we would all affing be at Bristol. But it

(10:26):
just it was so indicative in my mind of the
state of the connection of the drivers to the fans
and the sport. I think is where I'm going with
it here. And Kenny Wallace isn't He wasn't like a
millionaire because of racing, right. He was still kind of
in those old in that old school transitional period, and

(10:48):
he wasn't a big star when he was behind the wheel.
He's a much bigger star when he got on TV.
And so he's not like Chase elliotor Kyle Busch or
you know, Ryan Blaine or any of these guys who
like up through the system when there was tons of
money and they're rich and they're famous for driving, and
they live in big freaking mansions and because of that,
they just have the mentality of a rich person. Right,

(11:10):
Kenny like bridge that gap, and he was not that
as a driver, And I don't think he's like that now.
I don't think he really is like that now. But
the way that he presented that, oh, I'm here and
you're not, don't complain unless you're here, and then showing
how basically he got a paid for a trip to
the race like that, to me is so representative of

(11:33):
where the dwindling fan numbers at the track kind of
computes with the lifestyle of the drivers, the driver's lifestyle.
When Dale Earnhardt Sr. Was coming up, it was so
close to a regular working class person. They had to
like scrap and fight to make a living racing, and
that was relatable. And now it's just a bunch of

(11:55):
it looks like a bunch of rich kids, and that's
not nearly as related to your common everyday person who's
looking for something to do and looking for something to
spend money on. You know, if they they can relate
more to a football player who had to grind their
way through you know, college and get drafted, then they
can to a NASCAR driver who may have bought their

(12:16):
ride last week.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, And I mean, you're right, it's there's a generational
disconnect when it comes to Kenny Wallace. But I do
believe he's writing one thing. I don't believe the gate matters.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Well, no, it doesn't matter to the survival of the sport,
right in terms of the TV money. Right, All that
all that all that NASCAR cares about is the TV
money is coming in. All the TV people care about
is that people are watching, right, And but the perception,
the optics of it are really bad. Because nothing attracts
a crowd like a crowd, and so when you see

(12:50):
an event that's packed, you want to go there too,
And I mean, I look at I kind of compare
it to Coachella because that's right down the street from me, right,
and people go. They so many people go, not because
they particularly care about one act or another, Right, if
I care about I'm trying to think of a group
that was there, Like if I'm a really huge Go

(13:11):
Gos fan, or I'm a really huge Green Day fan,
one baby act in one headliner, like, I'm much more
likely to spend my money and go see them by themselves, right,
because I'm with all the fans and I'm having a
way better time. But so many people, just blindly, before
they even know who's gonna be there, buy tickets to

(13:31):
that event because nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd,
and they want to be part of this thing that
everybody thinks it's popular. And there is an aspect of
that to sporting events too, And so if NASCAR is
the sparse crowds, then people who aren't quite sure if
they want to check it out are going to be
less inclined to check it out. Then if the stands
were packed and it was impossible to get a ticket,

(13:52):
and you're like thrilled just to be able to get
in and experience this and find out what the hype
is all about.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know FOMA works anymore. Sports. I honestly don't
like concert concert. Yeah, because concert's fine. You can you
can kind of go with that, but there's no buzz
to the crowd, Like you have to have a product
that creates the buzz. I mean, Coachella has the products
out there with the musical acts and the variety of
musical acts out there, You're seeing the same You're seeing

(14:18):
the same Joe Schmo's getting talked about on TV and
getting you know, licensed and broadcasts and stuff like that,
thirty six weeks out of the year. Yeah, And it's
like there's no there's no excitement created for NASCAR to
want people. It's chicken and egg, right, There's no there's
no excitement being created, So why would people go in
the stands? But why would people want to go in
the stands? If there's no one in the stands? Why
would they want to go? But it's it's a situation

(14:41):
where I don't think that because NASCAR has tried their
best to market people with you know, the young kids
with a TikTok crowd and bringing in all these random
people they think are going to work and still then
there's no influence. Yeah, Nascar is probably the least influential sport. Ever.
I think you're right because it's just like you have

(15:01):
to be in a certain there's a certain demographic that
NASCAR appeals to, and that's like it is the old
You're not going to break the old Southern boy tradition,
like at least not for another twenty five years. Yeah,
not until someone from someone from like New York wins
a couple of championships.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
But but then, but then where do the new fans
come from that are gonna watch on TV?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Or you know what your loops to God's ears that
we can figure out an answer for that, because I
don't think anybody knows I know, because it's it's not
like Fox treats it like a like a redhead step
child for some reason, they have it, but they throw
it on FS one.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Even though they spend all that money on it.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Exactly. Amazon's gonna the Amazon is such a limited scale
that they might promote it for the first year they're
they're here the second, first and second year, but they're
gonna do it as limited as possible. I bet for
those five races because even now I don't see much
at leading up to it. As we get closer and
closer to ITH, TNT and NBC, I think the same

(15:59):
way Warner Warner Discovery. They're they're getting bribed to put
a Trump on TV and then and then NBC has
always treated it. I don't know why. Again, I don't
know why these companies bid for the rights and then
treat the property like craft.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
It's weird.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It's weird. It's odd that you have enough disposable money
to give and then just don't give a ship.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, And as long as they do and they have
for the next seven or ten years or whatever the
latest deal is, then you're right, NASCAR is not going
to give a shit about how many people are in
the stands or whether that fan base is dying off
or not, because the money's already guaranteed, it's already in
the contract.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah. And I mean like who, like who do you
look to? Who's Who's Who's Who's at fault? Is it
NASCAR for not marketing to the TV? Is it the
TV for not having a good marketing apartment to help
market the sport? Like? Who does the blame fallen at
this point, and I think you you look at that,
and there there's your root problem on how you can't

(16:54):
create stars because every NASCAR ad does not single anybody
out like the indiecar ads like car Aser. Fox is
just like, here's this guy. This is an introduction to
this guy, whereas NASCAR and Fox is like, can this
guy win again? Who's this guy? Don't worry about it,
he might win again. We never know.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Watch Yeah, And the answer to your question is yes,
all of the above, you know, because it's you know,
Fox needs to do a better job of presenting it
in a compelling way, and NASCAR needs to drastically rethink
how they present a compelling product to them be able
to present in the compelling way to an audience, because

(17:31):
I mean, I go back to Coachella again. You know,
I watched a bunch of it over the weekend. I
watch a bunch of it because you know, you watch
it on YouTube or whatever, and I sure as hell
I'm not going to go there. And you know, you
can be like, oh there's a new act that I've
heard of and I'm not going to pay to see them,
but I'll damn sight sit down and watch, and thirty

(17:54):
minutes later, it's over right, and you've gotten your impression
and you got what, you got, your pay off, what
you were looking for, and you move on to the
next one. And so you can be as involved or
as uninvolved as you want. You can just pop in
and check out one act that's gonna play for thirty
five minutes, or you can watch the entire day if
you so desire. And everybody feels just to satisfied in

(18:14):
the end. They got what they wanted in the end,
and NASCAR doesn't have that. They don't have like that
quick payoff. They don't have that short attention spam payoff.
And it's built into the format, you know, not only
the length of a race, but the length of a season.
And we've talked about this many times on the show.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, it's just no one knows what to do. They
think the status quo is going to work, and the
sooner or later it's going to catch up to him.
I don't know when it's it's like, you know, all this,
the coyotes finally gonna get that road runner.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
No never does, and I actually I do. I did
get one takeaway from watching Coachella over the weekend something
it very well might help NASCAR. Auto tune. Apparently, auto
tune is what you need. Whether it's Charlie Xci, post Malone,
A T. Paine, you gotta have the auto tune. And
so maybe if NASCAR added some more auto tune to

(19:06):
Mike Joy's voice, they'll get people to the cars. So
they stopped breaking Yeah in the cars. Yeah, these cars
are they've reped.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Like that, right, make an electric cars? Hey, So a
couple couple of couple of things, A couple of notes
from the race. This is from Stephen Stephen Stump, who
is a contact director for the Front Stretch and m
m n PA online. Okay, National Motor.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
National Motor Sports Press Association.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I think yeah, so he said. He makes his note.
Darlington and Bristol marks the first time the Cup Series
has seen back to back races with four or fewer
lead changes nineteen seventy six, seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's crazy. So and of course back then you were
coming out of that era where guys can win by
laps as opposed to to the seconds.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
And Jeff Gluck's poll.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh, I can't even imagine.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Was Bristol a good race? Thirty four thousand, four hundred
and twenty two people have voted.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Okay, by the way, that's probably as many people as
were actually at the race, but you.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Continue so so, yeah, it was thirty four, four hundred
and twenty two votes. Was Bristol a good race? How
much do you what would what would your answer be
and what percentage do you think?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I mean, for me, the answer would be no. I
think that it probably dipped down into the twenties intil
the twenty percent said it was good.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Oh yeah, no, twenty point one percent.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Wow, old twenties.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Holy crap.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Seventy nine point nine people. A percentage of people, yeah,
said it was a bad race, almost eighty percent. Yeah,
a fifth of four fifths of your audience.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
And and I know there are people out there that like, hey,
even back in the day when everybody's watching, there were
races where a guy ran away. Yes, absolutely, there were
runaway races before, but not at Bristol, you know. I
mean that's the point. That's the part is especially not
at Darlington and not at Bristol, not at Martinsville. Like
at these tracks, especially at Bristol, there was only one

(21:12):
lane and let's face it, SMI killed this track when
they reconfigured it, and they've never gotten it right again,
and they just keep putting down freaking PJ one and
thinking that's going to solve it. Guess what For the
past ten years, PJ one hasn't solved it. Nope, Just
like changing the car every four years hasn't solved it.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Nope. But that's nast car. It's like, hey, what's a
quick face boom done?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah? Yeah, exactly. Fastest slap in this one went to
the dinger aj Allmendinger, who finished ninth in the race.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, not bad.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Kyl Larson, of course blew everybody away and lapslid ratings. Okay,
so the ratings for this one are very, very interesting.
The number overall not good. Two point zero five four
million on f S one right online. They kind of
wrote that off because they were like, oh, we can't
really compare because last year Bristol was on Fox and

(22:04):
so it had three point eight ZHO nine million. I
didn't dive into the numbers so much to try to
figure out what the normal variance between a Fox race
and an equivalent FS one races. But what I did
do is I went back to one calendar year ago,
because remember the schedule has changed a little bit. One
calendar year ago, NASCAR was on FS one and they

(22:26):
were at Texas, which is a shit track too, but
a shit track by nature, not by being ruined. And
exactly one year ago at Texas, which we all know
is a detestable track and has not very good racing
and terrible attendance two point three to one million. And yes,
that weekend was also a Master's weekend, just like this

(22:48):
weekend was so even by that measure. Bristol in the
same situation, up against the same major sporting event in golf,
the World Series of Golf and being at a much
better track historically underperformed by nearly by two hundred and
fifty thousand people. And then last week Martinzi it was
two point five million, So there were four hundred and

(23:09):
fifty thousand people less than last week. So I know
you can't draw a direct comparison, but that number is disappointing,
especially considering that the numbers were generally up from the
start of the season across the board.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, exactly, And I think when people realize how boring
of a race it was going to be, they just
switched it off.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
That's got to be it, because once again it is Bristol,
right and and you know the number that two point
zero five four million, that's not reflective of how good
or bad the race was because the people that were
watching didn't know going in that it was going to
be crap. And so you must be right. I mean,
when everybody figured out, oh, oh, college is going to
dominate this thing, then they just flipped over to golf

(23:49):
to see what happened. Well.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
And I think it's also the thing where people might
feed off of NASCAR socials And I was looking on
NASCAR socials media and they were promoting nothing about Bristol.
Oh there was nothing on there during race day, and
it's just like, oh, this is I guess the race?
Is that good? Huh yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I mean that's crazy. This should be one of the
ones that they hype up more than anything. This is
Darlington and Daytona, and I mean they're they're doing more
for North Wilkesborough this weekend then they did for Bristol
leading up to the Cup.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Rice Rockingham, Oh rocking him?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Sorry? Why did the say North wilkes bar rocking him?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Sorry? Same honestly, kind of same track.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Same track, exactly. But yeah, they're doing They're doing more
hype for the Exfinity Trucks weekend this weekend at the
Rock than they did for freaking Bristol, which is legendary
typically is legendary.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Yeah, I don't know, man. I think again, the luster,
the luster, the shine is off this third it's crazy.
Got to figure out what the hell is going on
and how how you fix it? Cover it? How do
you fix it?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I cover it with dirt. It was boring. Take the
dirt off. It's boring. Tear the place up and rebuild
it like it was twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Man, tear it down. Say you're going to rebuild its.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Ely a big way, maybe a shopping center in the exactly.
Leave the front stretch so we can all hope that
they're gonna build an even tinier track. We're gonna build
the sixteenth mile track and put forty cars on it.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, everyone's gonna run on power wheels.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh man. So in the standings, William Byron finished sixth
in this race, so he keeps the overall top spot
by thirty points over Denny Hamlin, who was second in
the race and in the championship. Right now, Christopher Bell,
who is another top ten finisher last Sunday.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Is third.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
He's forty one out winner. Kyle Larson is fourth, he's
forty two back. And then Chase Elliott, who didn't have
a great race. He was midpack, he was fifteenth. He's
in the top five, but he's sixty eight points out.
The win, of course, is Larson's second of the year.
We now have three multi time winners and five winners
overall in nine races.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
It doesn't seem like a season that's been weighted towards
one driver or another. But it's getting there now. Between
Larson and Hamlin and Chris Bell.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
When did this car come into play three years ago?
People are starting to figure it out. Oh yeah, the
reason why we get this drop off?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I mean that's fine, you're gonna have the haves and
the have nots when it comes to this car. But
I mean it just means points are all the more
important as we go along. And thank god Fox isn't
there too. Just usher and note just not even looking
at the races behind the leader, because yeah, you know,
the spots that matter. That stuff I.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Did see, so I did see him try a little
bit more at Bristol, but they still weren't doing it.
And they could have. I mean, Kyle Larson was so
freaking dominant. Yeah, I wouldn't have cared if they spent
fifteen minutes just going back through the field and looking
for some decent battles back there. Anything for christ, anything
exactly would have made it more compelling. So Kyle Larson,
of course, not only won the Cup race, he won

(26:52):
the Xfinity race as well, and made a lot of
waves by saying in a TV interview that his goal
whenever he gets in the next car is basically to
demolish the rest of the field. But he was being sensationalistic.
I do get his point here, because what he's saying
is that when Cup drivers like Kyle Larson run in

(27:18):
an X race, then those Exfinity, those full time Exfinity
drivers that are really good against other ex drivers, they
get like basically an education on what level they really
need to be at once to go to the Cup
series be able to compete with the Cup guys. And
that is a thing. Right, I've talked to young racers

(27:39):
before in other disciplines that have been fast in their world. Right,
they've been fast in their series wherever they are, and
then they move up to like the big time and
they're blown away. They're like, I thought I was kicking
everyone's ass, and I get out there and I'm like,
how are these people even doing this? Right? There's so
much freaking faster. How do I get to be that fast?

(28:01):
And So I think that there is an aspect to that.
The way Kyle Larson said it was eric in as hell,
but I don't think he's wrong about that. Now, does
that mean they should throw the doors open and let
the Cup drivers all come back? I don't think so,
because you have to try to establish the identity for
each series and the drivers for each series if you're
ever gonna hope to have personalities that kind of rise above.

(28:25):
But in the context of that comment and that race,
I get it. And Plus, if I'm Rick Kendrick or
whoever's employing a driver, I always want that to be
their mentality, that they're trying to go out there and
kick everyone's ass. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
No, I almost think you had that NASCAR. NASCAR is
really looking at if they want to market something properly,
here's what you do. You're previous top five racers they
are the top five in the Cup standings from last year. Yeah,
the final four guys and then the last guy. You
have them unselected Exfinity throughout the season. Can't double them up?

(29:05):
Like there you go. You can spread out across what's
that twenty five races if you do five races per
or three races or that's fifteen races, and then do
it like the do it like the no bull Like
if you beat.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
This guy, you get like a bonus of some sort.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Exactly, you get some bonuses. If you can beat you
beat the final balls, or beat this guy, beat the level,
you get an extra bonus for that. I don't see
why you want to spice up not only the Infinity
ratings but also just to see how good the drivers are.
Put a little little little casheesh on there and be like, hey,
if you guys think you're good enough, all right, cool?
Guess what William Byron is going to be in the

(29:41):
series for this week here at Darlington. If if you
top five guys from last week's race, can can beat
him and you'll get a twenty five twenty five grand
bonus or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Yeah, do it like that.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I mean it not only adds incentive. I think it
gets people to watch a little more and learned about
the guys who are going up against them too. Like it.
You know, everyone buying large, You would think everyone knows
William Byron, But I mean, you know, give give the
map to somebody else, and some of these guys up
and coming, like a Connor Zilich's who's trying to weave
his way through his eighteen year old year and stuff

(30:16):
like that, or or other drivers out there, Jeremy Clements,
learn more about him, or anybody in the Junior Motorsports
crew or Brandon Jones and people like that. So you
put an incentive on there, cash roles everything around me.
Cream get that money down a bill, you don't, you know,
I mean, why wouldn't you want to put an incentive
and you can have it sponsored so you get more
sponsorship money in there. It's a win win, win, win win.

(30:38):
But NASCAR's too dumb to do that.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah, I don't disagree with that. I mean, like
I said, I don't think you throw open the doors
and let anybody come run for a championship like they
used to back in the day. But excuse me that
that's a good way to make things interesting and still
keep it within the limited schedule for the Cup drivers,
you know, and and oh, go ahead, ither think.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Just make it three races for the top five drivers,
so that spans fifteen races. You're not interfering with playoffs.
You're not interfering with that final last like ten race
run er eight race run at that point for their series.
It works out perfectly and you get viewership on there.
I mean, I think everyone kind of wins out in
that deal.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, yeah, now what I don't think and I do
think that would be fun, and I do think that
Kyle Larson is right in the sense that getting out
there on track with these guys shows them what their
target is, where they need to be. I don't necessarily
agree one with the people out there who say, oh,
the only reason you had to Jimmy Johnson or a
or Tony Stewart or Ryan Newman is because those guys

(31:42):
were racing day in and day out against the Cup
drivers in the Xfinity Series. I think that those guys
were successful A because they're incredibly talented and b because
far more than Cup drivers in the Xfinity Series, because
you're still driving in an Exfinity car. There was so
much more testing back then, Like there was some much
more practice time back then. There's practice on Friday, there's

(32:02):
practice on Saturday there and then they would race on Sunday.
There was a warm up Sunday morning, right, and then
you could do independent testing too, And so that's the
main component because those guys had so much more seat
time so they could take full advantage of their talent.
I think if you put Jimmy Johnson or Tony Stewart
or Ryan Neuman or any of the Matt Kenneth, any

(32:24):
of those guys in today's scenario with Exfinity, I don't
think they perform as well when they come up to
the Cup Series. And I think it has nothing to
do whether Kyle Larson beats them by three quarters of
a lap or isn't even in the race. I think
it has far more to do with their ability to
get work in on that Cup car and learn how
to drive it as quickly as possible. But I'm not

(32:45):
taking anything away from what Kyle was saying. I agree
with it in general that you have to have that
target to aim for, and yeah, you know, I think
you're right too. If they can make it more fun.
I mean, nobody wants more gimmicks, but we're already down
the way. I mean, we've opened the rabbit hole for
gimmicks anyway, so might as well make it more interesting

(33:06):
and at the same time give these kids something the
race for in the next series.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
A big gimmick. Guy is all the gimmicks. Make it,
make it, make the whole series of gimmicks. I don't care.
Is that fun?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Is that enough what the Cup series is right now? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Oh? It kind of is, man, that's what do all
the road courses and street courses of course.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, and stages and bonus points for irrelevant things like
fastest slap kids love it and eliminations and fixing fixing
the elimination races and phantom cautions and all that crap. Yeah,
ah man, speaking of things that aren't really going to
move the needle driver news, Catherine leg you completely goofed up.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
You completely goofed up this portion of the rundown, did I?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Oh, yeah, well are those not the uh oh we
have it.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Under you have it under rocking hand.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Oh yeah, right there, okay, right on. I'm looking at
that and he's like, what, No, it's not that bad.
Though it's not that.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Bad terrible, but I'm like, what does this have to
do with let me let me fix this up here.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay, So catherin lag Is. Last week, I think we
announced that she was going to run Mexico City with
ELF Cosmetics on the car, and they said, we're going
to do five races total, right, but they tell us
where those other races were. I guess they were just
getting the sponsors all together. It's not Elf doing all
of her races. Apparently something called drop Light and then

(34:27):
Chefrick Shrefick Sheriffic Companies dessumed the tequila. They're all going
to be on the car for various races as well.
The five Cup races are now going to be Mexico City,
Chicago Street Course, Sonoma Watkins Gleans of four road courses,
and then Richmond at the Oval, and then seven Xfinity
races as well on that schedule. Yeah, and you know,

(34:52):
I mean, there's not much to say about this other
than we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Here's here's what we can say about this. Cup Races
still going to Live Fast car.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
True.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
The I think in the Infinity is she and I
think in Jordan Anderson racing put on the spot.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I'm not sure I.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Think it was. I can't I can't find the one
where they tell what teams it is. But it's just
like you're you're still driving, at least in the Cup Series,
sub par equipment. And I don't care how much Team
Chevy wants to put money into it or promote the
hell out of it, You're still driving sub par equipment.
And that's not good. It's not good. I don't care

(35:35):
how much practice time she gets, how much seat time
she gets. She's in a car that's not going to
do well and isn't going to get highlighted on them
until she recks. It's the Danika Patrick thing. Yeah, for sure,
she's being set up for failure unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
And and and I you're bringing that up reminds me
that that was the other point that the other thing
I didn't include when I said they need to make
the season shorter. In the race is shorter, they also
need to make the field of cars shorter as.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, Yes, yeah, yeah, and drop down a lot.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah. And this is the perfect example. Why not that
Catherine Leggs shouldn't have a chance. She should But like
the way that these teams in these series, and the
driver structure is built, it should be, Hey, Catherine Leggs
is really good driver, Let's put her in the car
for the year. Not let's do a couple of races
and shit cars where she's got no chance.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yep, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
And then you swim down this field and make it
so that nobody can buy their way in for one
offs or two offs or five offs or whatever, and
you're gonna naturally get more investment in the drivers that
are on the grid. I have a friend who's a
big Formula one fan. There's only like, what sixteen twenty cars,
I don't know, no Formula one race, something like that.
Twenty cars a Formula one race. He knows every single person.

(36:54):
Why because they're the same exact people every time they're
in the car or the entire season. And if you're good,
you stay there. If you're bad, you move down and
somebody else comes in and takes your spot. And it's
way easier to get invested when the field is half
the size of NASCAR. It's consistent each week, and you

(37:17):
know that each one of these racers has something on
the line. Because listen, if Catherine Lake comes into Mexico
City and finishes dead last. Guess what, She's still gonna
be in the car at the Chicago street course and
it's nomen it Wilkins Glen in the Richmond because the
car is paid for. And you know, if you're in
another series where there's a set field and people can't

(37:38):
just show up for one offs, then once you get
in that car for a year, if you're finishing dead last,
your fans are like, get your crap together, man, you
gotta get this going because you're gonna get kicked out
of the car. So there's something on the line, even
for the guy who's finishing last.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Oh, But that's kind of don't understand that concept. They're like,
they see they see more sponsorship, they see more cars.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
This is the way to be Yeah, and and they
see like a cheap one off marketing opportunity where they
can talk about the fact that they have a female
driver in the car, even though they've set that female
driver up to fail.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, exactly like.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
NASCAR didn't care. They they'll care to tell everybody how
oh is first female driver in a car since stan
Ka Patrick. They're all four of that, but they're but
they could give two shits about whether she has a
car that can run well or whether she's you know,
in a position set up to be able to run well.
And they and they should be invested in that, because
they shouldn't want to just have a story of hey,
here's this great opportunity for somebody that's never going to

(38:36):
pan out. They want you to be like, hey, she
might be able to beat these guys.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yeah, but unfortunately they just see money in charter systems
and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Sorry, hey, I'm getting too frustrated.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Charter systems. Yeah, we have an update.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Oh do we have an update?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
That's lawsuit updates.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Oh that's right, I forgot about this.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
So NASCAR has filed a motion to amend its counterclaim
against twenty three eleven Racing in Front Remoter Sports based
on information found during discovery. NASCAR says that after the
deadline for filing its counterclaim, the teams produced more than
two hundred thousand pages of email text of memoranda, which
indisputity confirms with NASCAR allege and its counterclaim, the twenty

(39:21):
three to eleven in Front Row and Curtis Poke knowingly
entered into illegal agreements with other teams on issues such
as fixing the compensation that they received from NASCAR and
allocating how that competition or compensation would be divided into
the co conspirator teams.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Oh, my co conspirator team.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
It was carried out at as NASCAR ledge from paper
trails by using Jonathan Marshall of the Race Team Alliance
as a conduit. NASCAR wants to amend its counterclaim to
include the Document's counterclaim was filed in March fifth and
alleged conspiracy and Sherman Act of violation.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Right, Okay, well, well I say more power to them.
Put all those emails in there, because those emails pretty
much prove twenty three eleven and frm's point, because what
NASCAR is saying is, oh, look, look all the teams
were trying to get together and come after us and
say we want we want more money, we want better terms. Right,

(40:17):
but what happened? And yeah, they might have tried that,
but they couldn't do that because they don't have collective bargaining.
So NASCAR was free to and actually did say, f you,
we're not gonna do that. We're gonna put this deal
in front of each individual team instead, and if you
take it you're in and if you don't, you're out,
which is exactly the point. The point is they weren't

(40:39):
trying to conspire. The point is they were trying to
collective bargain as best they could in an atmosphere where
it was prevented. And so it proves that NASCAR is
a monopoly because oh it doesn't matter how much they
try to quote unquote conspire, they weren't successful. And they
weren't successful because nascars are freaking monopoly. Oh my gosh,

(41:03):
I think I lost Scotti. Y oh no, he's there.
Yeah all right, Yeah, lost connection for some reason. Oh
did you okay? Yeah, but it's it's it's like, it's
bizarre to me that NASCAR can use as their defense
against having monopoly, that that that the teams tried to
make a deal collectively and NASCAR shut them down because

(41:26):
they have a monopoly.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yeah, pretty much. You gotta love it. You gotta love how.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
So I say, let all those emails be submitted to
this evidence is not going to help them one bit.
There might be other things that help them, but that's
not going to help them.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
No, no, no, boy, love it. Love the stupidity.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, NASCAR and Kenny Wallace, for that matter, is made
a massive deal about the fact that Rockingham has sold
out for this weekend's Xfinity Truck Doubleheader. Uh, there are
a couple of things here that you have to remember though.
Number One, it's the first time they've raced there in forever,
so there's gonna be some pop. Number Two, Rockingham's capacity
is thirty two thousand people, so chances of them selling

(42:12):
out the first race ever back there and forever pretty good.
I think that they could sell thirty two thousand tickets.
I don't think that's like earth shattering that they sold
thirty two thousand tickets, which incidentally probably the same amount
of number they sold the same amount takes they sold
for Bristol.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah. Yeah, No, I mean you expect that it should
have been a layup, like it shouldn't be a big
big thing.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I think they should have announced the sellout weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, I mean so yeah, So, So Kenny can get
all excited about that, But that's kind of like saying
I've got a wallet full of bills and they're all
just one dollar bills. Yeah, exactly, Like I'm making it
rain up in here, and you've got like thirteen dollars
and twenty five cents. But it's all but it's all
a nickel, so it looks like it's raining.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
No, it hurts a.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Little bit when it hits them, but that's okay, good
old hailstorm baby. Jesse Love is going to be in
two more Cup races. Remember he made his debut last
week in Bristol was Hers.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I bet I believe he was.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
And I think you won because he finished thirty first.
I think I've picked twenty eighth or something.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
You picked twenty eighth. I picked twenty four years.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Oh wow, okay, wow, I did win on that. So yeah,
Jesse Love, who's going to be in? Oh? I didn't
look to see if the YouTube video came out yet
with them though, Oh yeah, no, I haven't the between
the sheets video. What is that called it? I can't
remember between two checker flags, I can't remember what they're
calling it, shake and bake, Shake and Bay. But he's
going to drive the sixty two for Beard Motorsports, making

(43:40):
their return to the track at the Texas Motor Speedway
and Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
So Jesse whatever, it's a good car. Those and those tracks,
those are good cars. I mean Texas, Texas. It's a
big speed track and Beard usually conforms to the super
speed waste style.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
Yeah, my favorite NASCAR news of the week came out
of left field. And I don't know why it came
out of left field. I don't know why we hadn't
heard about this way way earlier, because it's been a
thing for a long time. But Brian Vickers, who I guess,
had been off of social media for five years and
he picks now to come back. I mean, come on, dude,
he gets on the Titanic as like it's slipping under

(44:22):
the water in terms of social media. But apparently he's
been on the Titanic for a while because he announced
that he's back. He's back on social media everybody, and sadly,
he has announced his divorce from his wife. Crap, what's
her name, Sarah Keller?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
That sounds right?

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And and what I had no clue about until I
started digging and looking at the comments and thinking why
are they saying this, is that apparently Brian Vicker's wife,
like his actual wife that he married, like after he
got them racing, was like really like not like on

(45:04):
the sidelines, but like really really really involved in the
entire Jeffrey Epstein Epstein thing.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
She was like the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
She was basically the offensive coordinator for the team. Yeah,
you had you had the coach, which was him, You
had the assistant coach was that which was that lady
who just got sentenced like twenty years in prison or
whatever a little while back, and then Brian Vicker's wife
was the third in charge. Like, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know? You gotta love it. I mean, it makes sense.
He did have that childish demeanor to him. It's kind
of makes sense.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I mean, how does that come up in conversation? And
then Brian is like, yeah, I'm cool with that.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah, like for five years too or hoever long you yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah. So apparently this girl made well, she didn't make
a deal at the time. Okay, this is what makes
it even weirder. So when Epstein was first arrested, then
he cut deal with the Feds. If they only charged
him with like one thing, right, he would plead guilty
to it, I guess, but he asked for immunity for

(46:11):
the lady who just went to prison for twenty years
a couple of years back or whatever that was, and
Brian Vicker's future wife, and he was like, I want
her to have immunity, right, and the FEDS at the
time said yes, And then Epstein had an accident in
his cell and then the FEDS were like, yeah, well,
if he's not here, then the deal's kind of off,

(46:32):
and they went after this assistant coach of the team.
But they haven't gone after Brian Vicker's now ex wife yet.
But apparently that's still on the table. And maybe Brian
knows something that we don't, and that's why he was like,
I'm gonna get out of here now.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
That's smart, smart.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
And yeah, and you would think, oh, okay, well he's
made it makes sense. But all I'm thinking is, dude,
he knew about this for a lot longer than us.
It would have made sense. Oh, I don't know, before
he even got married. To just be like, this might
not be the best idea till this song.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Gets worked out. You know what, Listen, it's not you,
it's me, exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
It's not you, it's me. I mean really, I mean
I don't have any experience in the sex trafficking world.
You do, and I just don't know what. We're gonna
have a lot to talk about. Really, we have a
lot in common.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, so who knows how that's all gonna work out.
But the person who's happiest about this is Kurt Bush's
ex wife an ex wife or girlfriend, I can't remember
if he was X carriage because she's gonna be like, oh,
this is awesome. I'm no longer the most batshit crazy
partner for a NASCAR driver.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
There you go. But she the problem is that she
did it while he was still driving. That's true, that
is true.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. NASCAR has announced a couple more shows
that they're producing, so they're gonna be great. They're gonna
do a They're they're saying that they're going to produce
these shows, but they're not right. They're putting up cameras
in the series XM Studio, and while they do their
morning drive show, which they have done for freaking ever

(48:11):
in a day on that network, they're gonna broadcast it
on the NASCAR two B channel for free.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
That's cool. I mean, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I mean you can watch it, you know, get to
get to see what you're hearing.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
So any kind of any kind of stuff like that,
I mean that that stuff's fine. I mean I'm okay,
with it. I mean yet free. If you free content,
you get something like that up to date, sure, why not.
I mean if you want to make it more accessible
to everyone that do that way, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Well and and yeah, I mean that that's better than
just endlessly showing like say old races or something like that,
because now you have something current you can you can
kind of anchor onto even if it is kind of
a layup in terms of production, right, they're not putting
in a lot of afforte there. So that's first thing.
The second thing is just a one off event. They're
gonna be broadcasting the ARCA race from Rockingham in conjunction

(48:58):
with flow Racing. I think they're just kind of leaning
into to the fact that there's a lot of hype
right now around the rock and so they want to
get an extra race in. So if you want to
see some RCA, watch it on the tub channel for free.
It's cool because I think flow racing you typically have
to pay for. So that's good.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
That's good, get a little.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Some something for free. Yeah. Oh and then all right,
we got to bring around what we were talking about
earlier in the show. Because Netflix has announced the NASCAR
and Netflix have announced a season two of NASCAR Full Speed,

(49:34):
which I guess they did last year documentary following the playoffs,
and so now they're about to release a documentary about
the twenty twenty four playoffs. My favorite part of the
press release is that they're saying that the NASCAR Playoffs
will quote unfold like you've never seen before, even though
we literally just saw it a couple of months ago.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
We watch out what happened?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Joey's gonna win, like you know.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
It's not a spoiler, yeah, it's yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
So so there's a trailer and I don't know if
you've watched a trailer yet or not, no, but the
trailer to me screamed what you were talking about earlier
in the show about personalities in Nascar, right the trailer.
The idea behind the trailer is to make you want
to watch the show. And this is a minute thirty trailer,
one minute thirty second trailer, ninety seconds. And I'm thinking,

(50:22):
all right, this is like high stakes NASCAR playoffs, elimination races.
This is dramatic, intense stuff. You got guys wrecking, you
got you know, things coming down to one point. You
have a three wive finish at one point in the
playoffs last year, very dramatic. And then right off the bat,

(50:43):
you get this like cheesy upbeat music, and I'm like, dude,
you're not setting the mood. You're not setting the stage
for drama and action and excitement with like this kind
of twangy rock song. Right then a female voice comes
in and it was clearly go from a track saying
ubiquitous words. Do you know what? Do you want to guess?

(51:04):
What she said at the beginning, before there was even
any narration or anybody talking, I know, I can't magine
drivers start your engines. And I'm like, dude, man, this
is cliche. This is just cliche, and I'm like, do
something different. I don't want to hear like like soccer

(51:28):
mom rock and drivers start your engines. We've been hearing
that for twenty fricking years and twenty years ago that
was cool, but now it's just played out. And then
right after I was like a montage, very exciting montage
and like cars flying by, somebody wrecking. Ryan Blaney starts
talking and because remember he was twenty twenty three champ,

(51:48):
and he was like, oh, coming off of a championship,
man what am I gonna do next? And they're showing
him in victory Lane, you know, taking a selfie, and
after right as he says, you know, what am I
going to do next? Then they cut We're sixteen second sin. Sorry,
I watched this very closely. We're sixteen seconds sin. Ryan
Blaney presents it. He's the champ, and what's he gonna

(52:08):
do this year? How's he gonna follow this up? And
then they cut to a bunch of girls you don't
know who they are, like thirty something girls on a
party bus or on a bus, all like houlding their
drinks up, something like that. And then after that in
the montage, it cuts to a woman in a wedding dress,
which I'm assuming is Ryan Blaney's wife.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I think I think he got married.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
I think he got married, right, And see, I don't know,
I think know that, And I pay attention to the sport,
but the whole point, the whole point, because then it
goes on for another like minute, and whatever is that
ninety second promo? Ninety seconds to grab your attention and
pull you into this sport and make you want to
watch what's going on, And they could only go fifteen

(52:54):
I think they start with cliche and then they could
only go fifteen effing seconds in this promo talk about
any driver at all. Like, after fifteen seconds, they're like,
the drivers in the sport are so boring and uninteresting
that we're gonna cut to eclipse of young girls partying
because we think that that might be more interesting and

(53:14):
make you want to watch. And that speaks directly to
the lack of personalities in the sport, Like if they
had the most compelling interesting people in the sport, there
wouldn't be a clip of anybody else except for drivers. Instead,
they only made it fifteen seconds in before they're like,
don't get the shiny thing over here, because we kind
of got nothing.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And well, the party bus was the bachelorette party for
Ryan Blaney's wife.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
But still it's still the point still holds right that
they're so freaking uninteresting. If these people were super compelling,
then then they wouldn't be like, Okay, you better watch
because you're gonna see like the this like bachelorette party
or something like that. Maybe it'll get wild.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
Well, it's one of those things where it's just like
everyone the culture of people watching sport at least five
ten years ago was the wife and girlfriends. True, that
was the big thing, and there you go, you get
a new demographic wife and girlfriend. It's the Taylor Swift
situation where you get Taylor Swift fan interested in the
NFL because she's dating a tight end.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
But if they were doing if they were doing a
if they were doing a documentary on the NFL playoffs,
there would probably be a quick shot of Taylor Swift
in there somewhere, but it wouldn't be front loaded into
the promo. You could come up with at least more
than fifteen seconds of exciting, freaking shots of NFL action

(54:40):
and NFL players talking about they want to kick somebody's ass,
rip somebody's head off, or something like that.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
We also the NFL would do it, you know, week
by week like they do with NFL films all the time,
and not wait seven eight months to release stuff from
last year. We know how it's gonna unfold. What what
are we doing? NASCAR?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah? All I know is is possible to do it
with a series that is motorsports driven. I mean, I
think I said it before, but they had like like
three or four months ago, there was a year or
two old I think it was a year old documentary
that was about this motorcycle racing series with kids, like
these kids are trying to come up right, And a

(55:24):
friend of mine, who is not interested in motorcycle racing
at all, saw the promo it was Netflix or Amazon Prime, No,
it was Max. It was on Max, and saw the
promo and was like, I don't even care about motorcycles.
I dont want to watch the show, right, And then
so we watched the show and it was super compelling

(55:45):
and super interesting. It didn't even matter, like it didn't
even matter that they were racing motorcycles, didn't even focus.
Like they talked about what happened in the race, and
they showed some shots and stuff like that, but the
main focus wasn't even the racing. That was just the
backdrop for the drama that was playing out, as these
kids are like fighting for their futures, like trying to
become big stars. And yeah, it's a lot easier to

(56:08):
make that compelling than once they already are big stars,
because there's there's not nearly as much at stake. But
it does go to show that you can have racing
be the backdrop for some drama if you have interesting
personalities that you're following. And if there are interesting personalities,
like if I showed that to somebody who's not a
NASCAR fan, I don't think that they would come away thinking, Wow,

(56:29):
those drivers are super interesting. I want to I want
to check that out and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
No, and that's totally. It's the way it's been since,
you know, all the old head died, you know, because
everyone's too polished, everyone has to be pr because all
the companies don't want any kind of controversy, and that's
it's been watered down to the hell. Yeah so, I mean,
and that's the problem. I mean, it's not necessary. And
let's be honest. A lot of these guys are to to,

(56:55):
you know, shined up, like there's no grunt eyes anymore.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
For sure, even Chase Elliott like just just quiet, unassuming.
Everyone needs to pop out of him when he actually
does open his mouth, and it's just like everyone else
is just milk toast. It's terrible. Everyone's got the same lines.
But it's the business this day.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah so, but it does speak to what you were
talking about the beginning of the show, that NASCAR just
doesn't have those personalities to pull people in, and I
thought that that trailer was a prime example of that
because they couldn't even hold your attention with a driver
for more in their opinion and not our opinion, but
in their opinion because they were the one's put this
together and more than like say, fifteen seconds or so.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, it was pretty disgraceful.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
So at any rate, So I don't know if they
charge for that, like by the episode. If they do,
I'm not going to watch it. But if they don't,
then I'll watch it.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Is it not come with the subscription?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
It's Netflix, so I would think that you could just
watch it. So I'll check it out of MA seventh.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
We'll see, Yeah, tell me you report back to me.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, well we'll have a report. We will not go up.
So by episode this is not the.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Crew, No, God, that's more compelling.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
The crew. The crew is genuinely more compelling than that promo.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Yeah, and the drivers actually showed personality exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Yeah, like a dumb driver and you had to like
a hot girl driver.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
And Ryan Blaney was funny when he was there.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Blaney was on there exactly what. Ryan Blaney was definitely
better on the crew than he was in that promo
for that.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Well, yeah, because he had someone telling him how how
to act exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Here's how you make yourself more interesting. Oh man, I'm
just down to sponsor news. I don't know if you
have anything else.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
The only thing that I got is shout out Tony Stewart.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Oh that's lady won his first ever drag race.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It's a big, big drag race there, so he gets
a nice little thing.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Oh here's the other one that that's us. That that
is a super big showing of talent by Tony Stewart.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Absolutely come in there and just just two years in
and gets gets his first trophy.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Yeah, it's just such a different discipline that that that's
super impressive.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Hey, information about Exfinity series. This Clutch Sports Group, which
is a firm run by Lebron James' agent Rich Paul,
is deepening his presence with a new assignment from NASCAR
to serve as the exclusive sales agency and finding a
fresh title sponsor for the Xfinity series.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Well, they better get on it.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
NASCAR is seeking ten million annually for rights fees to
replace Exfinity, plus a mid seven figure commitment to activation
that would take a brands per annim spending to around
fifteen million dollars.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
We'd have to pull the numbers, but I think that
that is that Tamil is about the same as they
used to get for a Cup series title sponsorship from Monster. Yeah,
I mean I think that's what Monster was paying.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, you were absolutely correct on that one.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Yeah, that's crazy. They're asking that for X. Yeah, it's
like gett of the viewership.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
NASCAR is doing their but the X viewership is going on.
I mean again, another million million person watching on c.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
W c W thing helps for for somebody who's thinking
about doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Yeah, it's giant for them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
So I mean I think I think oddly enough of
the series, Exfinity is the one that could be the
most desired. Yeah, when you think about it, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Yeah, because you got that that solid network presence. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
But if there's a there's a guy to find fresh,
fresh new titles. Rich Paul is a guy, and King
James and all his stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I would be much much rather have Rich Paul, you said,
Rich Paul. I would much rather have him looking for
sponsorship for my series than than Jake Jake.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Paul, Yeah, or any of the Steves or any of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
The Steves, Yeah, which probably all of them will be
at WrestleMania this weekend, by the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Way, God will we know?

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
We know Jake will Yeah, yeah, absolutely, the Steves will
probably be there too, all the Steves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
All right, what do you got a sponsorship? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Big shocker here. Telsel gonna be on the number nine
now for Daniel Suarez at Mexico City. They were a
regular sponsor when the when the X Series went down
there too. Rene Rene is going to be on the
number thirty four with Todd Gilliland at Atlanta. They've been
in the sport before and I think they've been on
that car before. Uh, Texas A and m the Aggies

(01:01:19):
Hook hook a Maggie's. Oh no, wait, sorry, you don't
say that. Texa and A Maggi's are going to be
on the number forty one with Cold Custer. That's gonna
be for the Coke six hundred though. Uh Nico Nico
Nico Nico Kick Nicokick. Nicokick is going to be on
the number eight Kyle Busch car at Talladega, showing just
how far both our cr and Kyle Busch have come.

(01:01:41):
Although Kyle when he first started was that that was
like the THHC Company, right, that was on there. The
I can't remember what they called that one, the black
and Gold car, oh, I remember, yeah. And then now
he's got Nico Kick, which is nicotine pouches basically, so
you go there, you purchase all your nicotine pouches and

(01:02:02):
you squash them between your teeth and cheek and your
gum or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
People, I mean, people are too lazy to even do
a regular dition.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Oh yeah, they don't chaw anymore, man, They just have
these nicotine pouches. I got a couple of friends who
are like addicted to them. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
It's just awful, just terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
And uh. And then Mystic Mystic Lubricants nys Tik Lubricants
is on the number thirty. Zane Smith cart. It's gonna
be for two races. Zaye is gonna be running that
car at Iowa and Nashville. The car looks cool. I did, however,
I did have to google Mystic Lubricants. I did get
the impression from them mentioning Sitko and sit Guard in

(01:02:41):
the press release that it was indeed for your car.
But let's face it, guys, if it's a lubricant company
and it's spelled nys tik It. There's a chance it
might not have been stuff you put.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
In your car, could be used for your wiener exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
It could be dipstick fluid, but not for good time
you're thinking of.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
So for your body.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
But it is actually just to let everybody know NASCAR
is not going in that direction yet, give them a
chance and that that it's just oil you put in
your car type of thing, similar synthetic oil.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Ray. Yeah, so I've done it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
No race this weekend in the Cup Series? How do
we do in the picks? We already figured out that
I won the side bets somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I won the race by one point. Key's finished sixteen,
Chase Elliott finished fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, everybody had a poop day in our picks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Not a great day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Yeah, So uh so, let's bet the side bet which
brings us to Rockingham this weekend. You get the X Series,
get the Truck Series. Cup Series is off for Easter weekend.
They'll be back in next weekend at Talladega. Even though
we don't have picks, we can still do a paint
scheme preview.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
God, there are a lot of people, a lot of
cars in this Jordan Anderson Racing has like eight cars.
What the hell are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
And then plus in the Truck Series we have that
whole sit where Hendrickcars dot Com is sponsoring like multiple
people with like the same number and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
It's crazy, yeahs as they are one to do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Strangely enough, it appears that we have the seven in
the Truck Series race, We have the seven in the
Truck Series race, and then well we also have the
seventy one in the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Truck Series race, true and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
The seventy seven. So we have four trucks that incorporate
the number seven. Five if you want to go with
the seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Exactly, Yeah, who doesn't? And Casey Kane back at Rockingham
this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Right, Casey Kaine. That's a big story man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
And Catherine lag also running for Jordan Anderson this weekend. Okay,
right on, right on a lot of watch on the
c dub this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, So what do you like as we look at
the paint scheme preview here forty four paint schemes to
pick from there or any other ones that you want
to throw in and give me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Give me the Tony Braiddinger the number the Raising Knees truck.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Oh yeah, Raising Kaine's truck is good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Time, shout out love the flames, good color car.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
Yep, yep yep.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I like the the Dean Thompson the number twenty six
Thompson Pipe Group. Just a simple thing with a nice
little like futuristic water drop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
There scrolling to it twenty six and X.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, oh a little drop there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
It's a stylized drop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yeah, like pretty cool, like the curious very angular drop.
And one more is the uh the Firm and Power
Equipment Chevy of Patrick Emmering number seven.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
You gotta have some firm in action up in there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Exactly Surprised it's not the Firm and White Power one,
but that's uh the other guy with the O J case.
Oh no about Mark Merman.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Oh my gosh. Um all right, so I gotta pick three.
I'm gonna do one truck and two X in the
truck series. How can I not go with Grandpa Gus
the number number one Brain number one Brandon Jones truck,
Grandpa Gus's Toyota. Grandpa Gus, by the way, does natural
pest control pestige, so you spray it on rodents and

(01:06:04):
ticks and insects things like that. It gives you. They
give you an old time handshake guarantee it's good. So
Grandpa guss up in there and it's green and black.
So that's okay. I just like it that the side
of the truck literally says Grandpa gus on it. I'm
gonna go in the X Series, number ninety one, Josh

(01:06:25):
Blicky in the Insurance King Chevalley, but it says go
Rockford on the side. It's got lots of seventies looking
colors and it says go Rockford. Makes me think of
the Rockford Files from the seventies, and so I'm just
gonna consider that like a retro.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Car, very retro looking car. I like that. It's a
nice design.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
And then I gotta pick another one. So for the
third one, I'm gonna go with Oh, okay, okay, okay.
So I do like the brand. Car Brand always has
good cars. That one peers have some sort of peppers
on it. But I'm gonna go with the with Garrett
Smithley in number fourteen, the Molly Strong Car. It's very

(01:07:05):
important everyone that when you decide you want to find
out what Molly Strong is, that you don't do what
they did on the Pain Skein preview here and write
it Molly space Strong, that you do Molly Strong. Molly
Strong is a charitable organization. Strangely enough, that's having a
golf tournament in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, which obviously is why they're

(01:07:26):
advertising the race and rocking him. But then right below that,
if you do a Google search, you'll find Molly space
Strong and Molly is that. Molly Strong is very very
out there. She appears to be like a health magic
coach or something like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
That, some kind of crystal woman.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yeah, very crystalie. She's got her bikini on there. I mean,
I guess that's one way you could do it. She's
got live group programs, she's got one on one coaching,
which the font shoes makes it look like one on
one cocaining.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
And uh could be both.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
It could be both. You never know. So uh so yeah,
just NASCAR dot Com just for you guys. Uh, next time,
just put that as one word. That way people won't.
I mean, I'm sure that Molly space Strong is loving this.
She's probably getting a lot of a lot of extra
traffic to her website, I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
So maybe somebody can buy some crystals from her.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Exactly. Yeah, there's definitely some crystals happening. Whoa, there's there's
a jaguar just leaping across the screen on that page.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Happens, man, it is going on?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Don't worry about it. Let you know what. Let your
chakra throw man, let it flow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Oh oh oh, so her, you can do the coaching
experience and she describes herself as or she describes this
experience says, the I'm all effing in bespoke coaching container container,
not session, but container. So there we go go. That's
quite the trust she's swearing. Helping the forest. Oh no, oh,

(01:09:07):
well more power tour man. She's gonna get a lot
of traffic off this one, well for anybody who googles it.
So those are my three. Uh do we have to
Are we doing picks? Do we do a pic?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I mean we'll come back next week. We'll do Talladega,
We'll do picks. We do paint scheme previews. So if
you want to find out who wins the race at Rockingham,
the racing at Rocking him, who wins the non existent
bet and non existent side bet, whether it was any
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cornerstone of the current Saint Peter's Basilica No nice had
that night or fifteen twenty one, the trial of Martin
Luther begins its second day. During the assembly of the
Diet of worms, he refuses to recant his teachings despite
the risk of excommunication.

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Operation Big Bang, the largest largest non nuclear man made
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Wow, I have a theory about that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Okay? Yeah?

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Do you.

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We U they willn't need a report on that anymore.
We know how that goes.

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that was a dude's name.

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It's named after a real person.

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