Mexico Mayhem: SVG Wins, Hocevar Fined, and Small Team Drama

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark you origiono.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Time smoking like hell now coming down.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
And welcome everyone in the draft with Wilson and was
I'm Wilson here in sunny southern California. Meanwhile right across
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
All right, dude, I almost know about it.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I almost buffered there for a second.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yeah, it's like a real player. What are you doing? Man?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well you know, I mean since uh, since southern California
is burning down a war zone and under siege if
you listen to the media, I'm just it's all the
smoke is getting in my throat from oh.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I thought you meant the podcast all the smoke, Yeah,
all the smoke from oh oh is that a podcast? Yeah?
Well the snoop do it? No, it's William No, it's
a it's a Matt barn that Stephen Jackson. It's a
pretty big podcast. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Okay, Well, if they want to sponsor this podcast, they're
more than welcome to.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
No, that's fine, They're they're I think they're good.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
I mean, it would be an appropriate podcast for like
the NASCAR like decision makers to be on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Nah, maybe more run running.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think I think they're.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Puffing up a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I mean, based on based on some of the news
stories we're about to talk about, they are.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
They're yeah, they're they're buffing on that. That Bill France.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
My gosh, I think they're all doing TRNK Man.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Who you know who I am. I'm running NASCAR.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Exactly exactly. Oh man. All right, Well, we have some
very interesting news stories to talk about, including some more
lawsuits stuff, some small team drama, and racism weird places.
But first Mexico City. What did what did you think
of the Mexico City debut?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, I mean, I think the weather tampered a lot
of things obviously of what it could have been. I
thought it was it was definitely unique going through the
stadium on those last turns there, pretty unique look to it.
I thought it was kind of weird that that wouldn't
be the finish line. But whatever.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I mean, given the result was the was Shaanevaye Getsberg
and by a million, you know it was, it was fine.
I think the racing behind behind the leaders was pretty good.
I think a lot of people just kind of really
lost patience there and a lot of that, and I
think that could just be due to limited track time
and limited you know, not seeing the place for the

(02:43):
first time in general. So I thought it was okay.
I think if given given another year, I think they
could make it really good. I think the fans turned
out pretty well given the circumstances and the conditions and
all that other fun stuff. But I think I think
overall it was a successful journey. Outside of the borders.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, considering that, you know, it was such a unique situation,
unique race, I think that gave it a little extra
something in terms of interest when really the racing itself,
the racing itself was for me, it was kind of
like the second or third year at the Roval, like

(03:24):
there was there was a decent amount of mayhem going on,
not like term one calamity, like the Roval well.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
That one restart though, when everyone yeah, I mean the
second or third one after they changed dyers. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
And I think that the reason that Shane van gisberg
in wins at in situations like this is because he actually,
I don't know how to say this without offending, like
the rest of the field, but he just thinks about
it differently, right, because of where he's come from, because
he's raced in these types of situations so many times before.

(04:00):
And like the cup drivers, the full regular cup drivers
that aren't shaming Getzbergan, they really really really rely on
the data and the notes that they've accumulated over the years, right,
and that helps them set up their cars in a
way that the drivers are one hundred percent comfortable. And

(04:22):
you put them in this situation where there are no
notes and then you throw the weather in on top
of it, they're super uncomfortable. And when they're uncomfortable, they
seem to struggle a little bit. And we saw that,
Like you said, sug won by a million miles, and
it wasn't just in the drive was in the wet,
both conditions. Once he got out in front, he was
a whole second faster a lot than like everybody. It

(04:46):
was crazy. And I think that's because he's been in
so many uncomfortable situations that he's learned to thrive in those,
and regular cup drivers and regular cup teams they don't
know how to really adjust to the uncomfortable situation that well.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't think saying that experience him having experiences offending
the rest of the field, because it's true. I mean
he's been like, there's not many ovals over there in
the supercars, I don't think so. I mean, you have
to run in different conditions and know the elevations and
just go on almost go on vibes on how things go,
and you can't set up a car for the especially

(05:22):
when you have the the the change that you have
in the atmosphere and all that other stuff and altitude
and all that aw that jazz and how that the
car and stuff like that, which, by the way, good
good work on Amazon's part to do the cutaway car
to let people know how that worked. I mean that
was pretty interesting to see.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
But I mean he won.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
He won by a bigger margin than his last pit stop,
and his last pit stop was fifteen seconds, so it's
like it was it was just crazy how good he was,
because even even when he put the wet tires on,
he was passing than anybody by a mile. Yeah, but
I mean you you're definitely right. I mean, they get
the drivers comfortable, but then the drivers don't you know,

(06:04):
you can only sim so much and get the same
feeling as you are out on the track with you know,
with the actual steering wheel in your hand and the
tires underneath you. So I think I think it just
goes to show that this is what the hired guns
wanted to do back in the late nineties early two thousands,
when they had all these ringers on the road courses
like this, this is the kind of reformative well and

(06:25):
hell we saw that in the Chicago Street Race. Yeah.
Like he's a guy who just adapts quickly and knows
what he does. And considering he had, you know, the
things coming out of both ends according to him, that's
an even more phenomenal feat. Yeah, and it.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Does make me wonder because like another series like F one,
every so often they like make this major role change,
right and everybody's kind of got to start over again
to see if they can figure everything out. It makes
me wonder what would happen in NASCAR if they did
something similar, right, because yeah, we've gone from like car
tomorrow to the car of yesterday, to next gen car

(07:03):
to Gen seven car to you know, like you know,
eighty four lumber car, whatever's going to be next.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But but I live next to an eighty four lumber dog,
do you really yeah, like literally like down this like
it's literally probably one hundred one hundred yards from my own.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
My gosh, I haven't seen one of those in decades.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like the Harper County Man move up years three.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
But through those all those iterations of cars, like the
basic geometry has stayed the same, and so all of
their notes pretty much remained the same. And so if
you took all of those guys and you put them
into a unique situation where like every track was different
and the cars were different enough that those notes didn't
really make a difference and you just had to go

(07:47):
out there and race race, I think we might see
like a different balance of power in the sport, at
least at the beginning, until the teams with more money
like your Hendrick and your Gibbs and everything can accumulate
that data and analyzic quicker and then come up with
those little ways to start to gain on the competition.
So in the end, a few years down the road,
I think, yeah, you would be right back to where

(08:08):
we are with those power teams being the power teams.
But for that first season at least, I think you
could see a variety of drivers be able to step
up and steal the spotlight, because those big money teams
use that money in a way that in ways that
are it's very difficult for the smaller money teams to

(08:31):
be able to compete with in terms of how they
analyze the data, the adjustments they make based on that data,
and then the result and advantage that it gives those drivers.
And we would know for sure if like Kyle Larson
is just better than everybody else, or if it's the
combination of him in the car that's better than everybody else,
although I think we kind of know a little bit
about that by how we started his career with Kanassi.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah. I mean, look, you look at it here and
all the first races are just like new guys coming.
I mean, but then other guys settled into it or
they picked the brain of the guys who ran well
here and then go from that. But I mean, like
you said, no debt and no data, no, nothing like
it happens, and guys are just sliding in and out
of track and then you know, get into people and

(09:15):
get into people multiple times and getting people really upset
with each other.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, And let's move into that before
we get there. Though, I will say that I did
pick Shane van Getsberg and to win the race because
I because I knew that he would have any advantage
in a situation like this. I didn't think he would
have that much of an advantage over the other Cup
drivers in a situation like this.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
That was that was absurd.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, late in this race, okay, Carson Hoosavar,
who had already spun out, he stalled the car that
brought out a caution. He got going again, but he
was a lap down. Now he's just like cruising, He's
just like making laps, right. He shouldn't have had any
reason to beginning into any static with anybody. He up

(10:00):
blowing a corner in that stadium section and he just
happens to do it running right behind Ricky Stenhouse Junior.
And now we get round two between those guys. I
mean that was in the end, I think it was
just terrible luck. But also if you're Carson Joseovar in
that position being a lap down, I mean, the last

(10:22):
thing you want to do is take out a car
on the lead lap, and so you got to be
like doubly careful. I think that's more of a Rocky
mistake than when he's up near the front or he's
like battling for position and he gets into somebody, right, Yeah,
And I think he knew that too.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I mean, he wasn't as as flippant about that situation
because he knew, like in the in car audio to saying,
you know what, I've fed up? Yeah, I get it. No,
this one you have a right to be mad about.
It's not just a racing deal. But I'm glad that
Ricky didn't. Ricky didn't make it international incident. And you know,

(11:00):
when we get back to the States, though, I got you.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
We'll see how that works out. You know, I will
still maintain because in this instance, unlike the other one,
I think Ricky does have the right to be upset
because he's on the lead lap and when a lapdown
card takes shout that that's gonna pish you off, right,
It's clear he's got a temper, though, and when it
comes down to it, right, that didn't ruin his right.

(11:23):
So if I remember correctly, because I did rewind and
look at it, I believe that Stenhouse was running twenty
third at the time, and at the end of the
race he was like twenty seventh or twenty eighth somewhere
around there. So that incident cost him what four or
five positions on track max. He's not gonna make or

(11:43):
not make the playoffs based on finishing twenty seventh or
twenty eighth as opposed to twenty third, and even if
he does, he's gonna be like the last driver in
on points, and so he's not gonna win the championship. Right,
So in the grand scheme of things, my advice to
Ricky now is the same as it was in the
first incident. If you don't want to be in crap

(12:06):
like that, don't be running midpack, like don't be running
in the twenties, and expect to be around drivers who
who aren't going to run into you, who aren't gonna
who are gonna know what they're doing, who have incredible
car control and can avoid incidents Like I'm not saying
these guys are bad back there, but if you're running
up front with you know, Chase Elliott and Kyle Larson

(12:27):
and Joey Logano, there's much less of a chance it's
some bs like that is gonna happen, especially with a
lap down car, then it could happen when you're running
twenty third, twenty five thirty if something like that. I mean,
when it comes down to it, don't blame Carson Jholsovar.
You can blame Carson Jolstovar for making a stupid mistake,
but don't blame Carson Jolsovar for you doing bad this year,

(12:50):
because you're the one doing bad this year.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well. Also, I want to think that that Ricky Stenhouse
got turned early in the race too.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
He may have, Yeah, when the rain was starting. Yeah,
I think I remember the popsicle car going around.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, it's a pretty noticeable car to go around. I'm
pretty sure it was by itself, like in the backstretch somewhere.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
I do I think you're yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So well, you're right. You start running up front and
run better exactly. Get into those situations and I.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Get the tension with all of those drivers that are
battling for those spots at the bottom of the top sixteen.
And that's part of this too. It was with Ryan
Priest who ran into some issues and then tried to
recover from it in this Mexico City race, but the
past couple of races, because those guys. We've talked about
it on the show, how close together they've been in
terms of points, like five, ten, twenty five points separating

(13:46):
seven or eight guys. I get that that's going to
raise tensions. Right, So, if you're a hundred points behind
the guy in sixteenth or the last guy in let's say,
and you make a mistake, somebody else makes a mistake,
that's not gonna be a big deal. But if you're
five points behind and something bad happens, then yeah, you're
gonna be a lot more upset. But there again, I mean,

(14:10):
I don't know if it speaks more to if you
want to be in the playoffs, drive like a playoff driver,
or if you know guys are getting pissed because they
got knocked from fifteenth to seventeenth in the standings and
it's going to affect their entire season, then maybe NASCAR
is just simply letting too many people into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
No, well, I think that that last part is not
necessarily mutually exclusive. Yeah, you're right, right, that's a fact.
Make many people in the playoffs the whole story unto
of self.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, so yeah, but we'll see how that also shakes
out with stent Housen and whost of Ar and we're
getting to the nitty gritty, so yeah, yeah, and both
those guys are in that category of trying to get
in on points right now. So and the more they
both mess up, the more they both dig themselves a
hole that's going to be tougher and tougher to get
out of. Ratings for this one two point one million

(15:02):
on Amazon Prime. I don't know what the number was
last year, because there obviously wasn't in Mexico City race,
but for this particular race on what I'm assuming would
have been FS. One strange thing about this Formula one
almost almost caught the NASCAR race now huge caveat there.
F one's one point nine million was on ABC, like

(15:24):
on a real major network that anybody can watch at
any time, where you know, the two point one was
on Amazon Prime. A couple of notes from the ratings,
though the number, the number of younger viewers continues to
be stronger. In fact, I think the average age went
down even further than that then it had been the

(15:49):
past couple of weeks for this one. Also, post race
show scored one point zero seven million, and that was
the largest of any of the Amazon Prime races, so
they kept their audience across that post race show. And
I think that speaks to one of Amazon Prime's strengths.

(16:10):
And it was something that I mentioned all the way
back when they announced this, and I was talking about
their football broadcasts. That to me, I think is their strength,
and their football broadcast is their pre and post race crew,
and they're doing the same thing here. And I will
absolutely admit when they announced the lineup, right outside of
it being interesting that Carl Edwards was going to be involved,

(16:30):
I didn't necessarily think that they were going to hit
on that same type of chemistry. And it's not fully
there yet. And it sucks that they're only doing five
races because I think with five more races they could
really develop that a lot better. But man, I give
Amazon Prime credit. I was wrong. They picked good people,
a good combination of people to be on that post

(16:51):
race show, and they approached those conversations with the drivers
like conversations, not like interviews necessarily, except for the host's.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Little stiff Yeah yeah, I I who. I thought she
was gonna be good, and you know, I've heard nothing
but good things prior and then this. You know, she's
not the she, like you said, very robotic, very not
would not go with them, not improvisational.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
She's she's the exception to the chemistry role there, Yes, indeed, right,
And and I think I think that that's part of
the reason why she kind of leans back on the
because she'll repeat herself a lot, yes, or or she'll
ask very generic questions, and I think that she feels
a little bit like lost in the casualness of the conversation,

(17:36):
that she feels like she can't be on that level.
And that's what they really did well with with their
NFL broadcast because I'm sorry, I don't know any other names,
but uh, but the woman who's the host of the
NFL broadcast, she can roll with those dudes, man, and
like she just jumps in there with them, and it
works all the way across the table. Here there's that

(17:57):
one little stiff part once out of the table, but
Carl and Corey Cory still has crutches, by the way,
But the two of them, I think, do a really
good job of loosening things up. And then they bring
Dale Junior down and so I think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, Daniel Trotta is definitely someone who she's done well,
Like she's a name because she does a lot of
NASCAR radio and and things like that. But yeah, on
the spot, like if it's not scripted out, not someone
who is on the butt, And that's fine. I mean,
maybe that's not her her forte, but I mean it's
it's one of those situations that, yeah, I mean Crisa Thompson,

(18:35):
who is the the lead for NFL.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
The NFL, she's really good.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
She is, like she has been awesome. She was on
Fox Sports one, one of the first ones on Fox
Sports One. She's also I do believe she is a Canadian.
I know she's there. No, she's American. I'm India. I
don't know who ell I'm thinking of. But she did
NHL and versus and she is very well versed as
it were. But I mean, it doesn't mean that that
daniel Danielle Trota can't be that way, but it's it's

(19:03):
a situation where sometimes you're not good at improva like,
so you're not going to be that great on improv.
And the fact that she's only done like NASCAR, that's
a little bit of a of a hindrance because you
don't have that broad perspective of anything. I mean, she's
done like acc network stuff, but I mean, by and large,

(19:26):
her situation has been NASCAR and a couple of sideline reports,
but NASCAR, Nascar, Nascar. But if you tunnel vision yourself
like that, it's hard for you to kind of ket
new experiences or learn from other people outside that bubble.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
Right, Yeah, And I think you said it best there
that if it's scripted, she's good. And the problem is
everybody at the table is like super like relaxed and
they're just having a conversation. And then when she reads
the script, it sounds like that one portion of the
show sounds scripted, and it makes it it's it sticks
out so much more because of that.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, but I'm nippicking, like overall, I think they're doing
a really good job, and they only have one race left, unfortunately,
and then we get to see what TNT does if
they're gonna carry that same approach over or if they're
gonna go back to like your NBC Fox type of broadcast.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And again I think they have to. You think they
have to do it that way well, because they do
have time slots. It's not like it's Amazon where you
have infinite bandwidth, and you it's like we're not pushed
up against another show coming on afterwards. Now, if they
do the thing like oh we're gonna move to Max,
you're gonna have a drop off there because people aren't
going to channel for sure. But you can't be as

(20:39):
wide open as you are with Prime. So I mean, like,
enjoy this race because it's the last you're gonna see
of it for until they come back next year.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
And I think that the appreciation will be heightened once
we do get back to those traditional network style broadcasts,
because you're gonna be like, what's missing here, and then
it's gonna hit you that it's just not as relaxed.
It doesn't feel like fans sitting around talking. Instead, it
feels like, you know, people who are paid to be

(21:08):
announcers being paid to be announcers.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
So, all right, NASCAR is standings. William Byron still in
the top slot expansively just a little bit to sixty
seven points over Kyle Larson. Christopher Bell is third, he's
eighty back, Chase Ellied is in fourth minus one oh four,
and then Demie Hamlin He's fifty to one hundred and
ten points out the rest of the top ten Reddick Blaney, Ross, Chastainlegano,

(21:34):
Bubba Wallace. At the bottom of the top sixteen, it's
interesting now because SVG one, but he's outside the top sixteen.
You've got Josh Berry who's won. He's outside the top sixteen,
so Michael mcdonaland sixteenth isn't actually in, and you go
up another spot. That's Austin Sindrick, who does have a victory,
and so you got to go up two more places.

(21:57):
The cutoff right now is actually the driver in thirty
teenth place. That's Chris Busher. He's got a nineteen point
lead over Ryan Preese. He trails twelfth place Alex Bowman
by just three points. So it's a little bit more
spread out points wise down at that bottom end of
the playoff picture than it was a couple of races ago.

(22:18):
But things are still close. I mean, you got Bowman
and Busher three points apart, and Priest could make up
nineteen points in one race if he has a couple
of good segments. You know, so things are still interesting
down there, maybe not as interesting as they were a
few weeks back, but of course SVG, this is a
first win of the year for him. We now have
ten winners in sixteen races with tend to go in

(22:40):
the regular season. I think we're gonna be at like
maybe three drivers, two or three drivers in on points.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Don't you think? Yeah? That sounds about right. I mean, yeah,
that's fine, and that's that's I guess that's fine. I
don't know. I don't know where to again. Sixteen drivers
a lot of drivers too, any drivers, it.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Is, But think about that. If three drivers are in
on points, that means we only have three new winners
between now and the playoffs in the next ten races.
So maybe we'll have four in though, because I mean,
I don't know. We only have three multi time winners
this year. I think I think, uh Byron Bell.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
And Hamlin Hamlin, Yeah, I think that's it.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Each have three wins. Or no, no, no, no, it's Larson,
Bell and Hamlin have three wins. Okay, I don't have
the standings in front of me, but I'm nine to
nine percent sure it's Larson, Bell and Hamlin all have
three wins. Because we had to go through those headlines
where each one of them we were just gonna crown
them as a champion because.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
They Larson and Hamlin Bell three wins.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
So there aren't too many people that you would expect
to have a win that don't have a win yet. Like,
off the top of my head, Bubba Wallace is capable? Uh,
has Tyler Reddick won a race?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yet he is not?

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Oh, you could win a race? Blamey of course? Has Logano?
Has Chastain? Now has Chase Elliott?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Has he is not? Wow?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Okay, so there's two.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Hot he is the highest non winner.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, there's two of three right there, Chase Elliot and
Tyler Reddick. And so there you would already be at
twelve winners. I maintain Bubba Wallace is capable of winning
a race. That could be thirteen. Their bowman is capable
of winning a race. We know that Busher is capable
of winning a race.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Mm hmm. So yeah, it was Klowski back there in
thirty something.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, exactly. Even though Kez hasn't really like been a
factor in a lot of these races, we know he
can and hell, for that matter, you can throw Kyle
Busch in there. I think that the car is really
the problem for Kyle Busch. Oh yeah, yeah, but uh,
but I mean there are guys. There are guys that
have not one that could win, and when it comes

(24:47):
to Chase Elliott and Tyler Reddick have a really good
chance of winning. And so yeah, we could be somewhere
between one and three drivers in on points by the
time we get down to the final.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Race of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Makes sense, all right, So let's move on to NASCAR news.
This was very very interesting. I made this separate from
the Ricky Stenhouse Junior situation because it really stands on
its own as like something totally different than Carson Hosovar's
attitude on the track and the problems that he's run into.

(25:24):
The unexpected thing here. I didn't see something like this
coming off the track apparently, I guess when they had
gotten there, when they first gotten to Mexico City, but
before they had a chance to get any track time
or do anything, Carson Josovar did some sort of live
stream where people were asking him questions, and I guess

(25:47):
somebody was asking him like, Hey, what's Mexico City like?
Or what do you think about this race weekend or
something like that, and he went on this tirade like
saying that I didn't hear it, so I don't know
if it was angry or if it was just a
matter of fact about a bit. It doesn't really matter.
I mean, he like criticized like the race that, like
the track and NASCAR's ability to enforce track limits and

(26:10):
most notably, and by the way, I agree with him
on the track limits thing. Most notably he was like,
you know, we're not allowed to leave, you know, our
hotels or whatever because this place is such a shithole
and I'm afraid to walk around. And basically he completely
trashed Mexico City before he had any experience with it,
and big shocker. That didn't go over.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The self imposed sanctions were
something interesting though.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Uh wait self imposed like he did?

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Or there were the spire ones by the spire one yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
So before NASCAR even got a chance to get their
hands on this, spire got out ahead of it. Find
him fifty thousand dollars. They're going to take that fifty grand.
They're gonna split it up three ways and donate it
to three different charities in Mexico that do work in
Mexico City. They said they're also going to put hosts
of AR through some sense activity training uh to his
credit post of arc came out I think twice, once

(27:05):
before this penalties were announced, and once afterwards. The first
time he was like, hey, sorry, I said some stuff
I shouldn't have said. I'm young, and I didn't I
haven't been here before and I didn't take a chance,
didn't get a chance to like really experience the area
before I made a comment on it, and I shouldn't
have done that. Then it gets the fun and I
guess some of his fans were like, that's kind of bullshit,

(27:27):
Like your own team is punishing you. So he released
another statement. He was like, dude, I did this, like
I did. I did something I shouldn't have, So don't
get mad at them, get mad at me. I'm the
one who should be punished. So at least he stepped
up and took responsibility for it.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah, no, obviously, I mean he had to have. It's
you had, here's here's the thing, and this is just
me got to get somebody in there for him, Like
I think, So, I think you're right, This this loose
Canns stuff is getting a little to like it's it's
becoming less and less of Oh, he's just trying to
agitate things on the track he is he is very

(28:08):
just sheltered. He seems like a sheltered person to say
anything about a thing he hasn't said and kind of
go off of what other people say and and what
have you and and and you know, be be as
you know, just not thoughtful or you know, kind of
just not not as you know. I don't think political

(28:29):
is the word to say. He's very politically incorrect in
this situation. But be a little bit more smart with
your turn. He's like, yeah, we haven't been able to
get out yet, so I can't really tell you move
on to the next question. Right, you have to get
somebody like it was Mark Martin for hire. Get Mark
Martin there to help this kid out.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
No, I mean, I think you're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
You have to because because the on track stuff is
one thing. It's like, okay, whatever, he's trying to be
hard to know, he's trying to be an old school
guy whatever, But the all track stuff is just like, man,
he's you have to remember how young he is. He
doesn't know how to navigate his way through this attention
because he hasn't gotten this kind of attention before. So
you have to have somebody in there too. I mean, hell,

(29:11):
even have Dale Junior sit down with him and have
like a talk, like a talk talk with no microphones
or anything like that. It's just like, hey, you got
to settle down and take this out because I mean,
Mark Martin would be a guy because he's an old
school but he's you know, he's in touch enough with
modern days that he can be like, listen, you gotta
be smarter with this. You got to learn this, that
and the other thing. But something has to give because

(29:33):
I mean he's not he's not winning any favors with
doing this stuff. And people will be like, oh, he's
being real and you know the free speech and yeah,
I mean he can say what he wants to say,
but it doesn't mean he doesn't get the consequences right exactly. Oh.
I mean someone has to sit him down and just
tell him. I think, slow him down a bit.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's accelerating in these pasts and very very more prominent
in these past three four races about his superstardom or
the focus being on him and things like that, which
is great for the sport to have a new blood
in there and everything and to focus on that, but
it could get to the kid's head, or he's just
not used to this much attention. Therefore he's you know,

(30:13):
he doesn't know how to navigate it, So get somebody
in there who can help him navigate that isn't just
gonna blow smoke up his ass.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, I think you're right on both those accounts, that
it's he's it's in his head and he's never experienced
type like this before. And the difference, you know, I mean,
guys like Kyle Busch come to mind, Kurt Busch for
that matter, super aggressive drive, Tony Stewart for that matter,
super aggressive drivers on the track, very outspoken off the track,

(30:42):
but what they're outspoken about are NASCAR things, Right, Even
even those guys and Tony had some experience, so I'm
gonna leave him out of this conversation. But even those guys,
when they were young, they knew better than to stray
too far outside of the racing world with their com
and especially in this current political climate with everything that's

(31:03):
going on, like to go to Mexico City and then
disparage their city, it's just so like tone deaf. And
I don't know if he felt like he was like
doubling down speaking to the base. But it's never going
to come across that way. It's never going to come
across in a positive way. And you're right, if he
had somebody who explains those things to him before he

(31:27):
opens his mouth, he's going to know that every time
you feel like you're trying to win people over, you
also could be pushing people away too.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
I don't even think it's him winning people over. I
think he just gave his opinion, well, not knowing anything.
He's just like from what people have told him about
what the area is like, right right, And I think
that that and maybe NASCAR saying, hey, listen at this
time of night there you know people the POLICEIA has
said this area can be tough, so don't go out,
and he's just like he then disseminates like, oh, this

(31:58):
place is terrible because of the fact that that, oh,
we can't go out at night and things like that. Dude,
many American cities you can't go out at night either.
So it doesn't mean exactly one reason or another. But
I think it's also like the access people have to
drivers and the access to the drivers have to get
out to their fan base is a blessing and a
curse because you know the guys you mentioned, like the

(32:20):
Tony Stewart's, Mark Martins and and all these younger guys,
they didn't have the ability to go on Twitch or
go on YouTube or go on TikTok and answer all
these questions right and be unguarded like everything you had,
you had a PR guy right next to you, yep,
and you people got out more because people went to

(32:40):
more events like these. Maybe this is why drivers don't know.
The more events they can access their fan base just
like flipping clicking the live go live thing and a
way they go. They don't have to leave, they don't
have to go to these stores, they don't have to
pose with people, which you know, in some cases I
understand what they're talking about the same in the same breath.

(33:00):
It's just like NASCAR needs a media person to i
mean a media course for these drivers in this new
age of any kind of media, because it's not traditional media.
I mean, people know how to deal with you know,
with Jeff Gluck and Bob Packers because they you know,
they're old veterans, are not gonna do gatcha moments or
anything like that, right, But in this new streaming world

(33:22):
where there's fans who are trying to either, you know,
get you to speak one way or another. You have
to be diplomatic about what you say about things. And
these guys don't get it because in their entire life,
the media they consumed is instantaneous. It's no thought, it's
no it's just like, here's my true opinions, and sorry
for being real and all that other stuff. But yeah,

(33:44):
but you know, when keeping it real goes wrong. Dave
Chappelle's show taught us that decades ago. Yeah, you're gonna
get smacked somewhere or another, either physically in the literally
in the case of Ricky Stenhouse, or or metaphorically in
the fact that you might not have a ride if
you keep thiskind of stuff off the track. Yeah, for sure,
it's not on the track stuff that people are going
to get messed up over. Its fire. It's the off

(34:06):
the track stuff, and that's on them to kind of
reel that in and rein it in. So get somebody
in there to teach the kid not only how to
react to this newfound stardom, not only how to react
at at such a young age, but also get somebody
in there who's you know, media trained to tell him
here's what you should and should not do in question
and answer periods. It's fun to do ask me anythings,
but a lot of those are text based and you

(34:28):
can kind of reread and delete as you need it.
So you've got to get people in him around him,
or else he's going to be ruined and that would
be a damn shame about what could have been if
Carson Hoosavart doesn't settle down.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, I would add something to that, but there's nothing
more to add to it. I mean, that's spot on.
That's spot on, and it's so taken for granted. I
think by teams and by NASCAR that just because of
social media means that the same rules shouldn't apply, right,
that it's different or yeah, that it's different than sitting

(35:03):
in a press room, but it's actually like sitting in
a press room with with like a roomful of loose
cannons asking the questions. So you're absolutely right. I mean
NASCAR needs to take that more seriously. The teams need
to make it take it more seriously. I think that
Spire did a really good job in this respect that
they acted on it quickly and they said Listen, these

(35:24):
are our values. And we're not just going to say
that we have certain values. We're going to We're going
to walk the walk when it comes to that. And
if one of our drivers, even if it's somebody who
were really a really big fan of and it's doing
really great for us, is gonna violate what our values
stand for, then we're going to do something about it.

(35:44):
So and part of that, I think is because Spire
is a team that doesn't have the sponsorship money of
a Hendrick or a Gibbs or even an RCR, and
so they got to protect those sponsors. Man, because if
Hendrick loses like a two or three race a year, sponsor,
a big deal. But find another one or Brick kendrickle
just put Hendrick cars on it and you're you're good.

(36:06):
But if Spire loses one of those sponsors, they might
be in jeopardy not being able to run a car
in a race.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Right, And well, it's not necessarily that its Spires a
big brand in sports and entertainment. They own a couple
of hockey teams, Smior League hockey teams, they own other
business ventures, they own contra venues, So it's not necessarily
it's it's not I wouldn't say necessarily losing the sponsors,
but it's also losing everything else. Because if you're just like, well,
this guy says it and he's part of this, and

(36:31):
they they run this event center or they run this team,
who's to say the rest of the team and the
foundation doesn't think of it. So they're thinking not only
the NASCAR side of things, it's like, well, what about
the Idaho Steelheads, Like did their coach say thinks Mexico's
are shit hole? Like and not? I've never seen it.
So it's one of those things where they have to
nip it in the butt and also send a message saying, hey,

(36:52):
we did this to one of our top guys in
our in our top kind of finance sport. We're gonna
hold everyone accountable. You know, fifty dollars dropping the bucket sometimes,
but I mean, you're gonna hold accountable. So they have
to get on that quick and to do it and
not let NASCAR do it. As an organization. It's a
good look on them, and I think other teams would
be like, well, we got to do this now too.

(37:13):
We have to heavily patrol. We can't let NASCAR get
into it. We have to nip it in the butt
if it's really bad.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, I bet you anything. Hendrick Motorsports wouldn't make that
same move. They might come out with the statement saying, oh, oh,
you know what our driver says isn't necessarily our view.
But I don't know that they would make that kind
of move to punish them. So good inspire for some
setting an example, maybe.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Made chicken salad out of the chicken shit.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
So all right, let's move on to these lawsuit things,
because it's very interesting. Number one in the NASCAR lawsuit
twenty three to eleven is officially appealing the rolling on
the charter injunction. So the short, short, short version of
this twenty three eleven got an injunction allowing them to

(37:56):
compete as a charter team and of course Front Row
Motor Sports as charter teams. This year, NASCAR successfully got
a judge to resind that injunction, which would go into
effect I believe after Pocono unless it was appealed. So
now twenty three eleven n FRM expectedly here are appealing.

(38:17):
I don't know if we'll find out by the end
of Pocono or not. But I would think that their
status will remain as charter teams until that part is
figured out. But the thing I didn't put in here,
and I haven't read all of the comments, Apparently the
judge that they were in front of was kind of like, guys,
can't you freaking figure this out? Like what is your
endgame here?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Like NASCAR?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
What are you going to do if you win? Are
you gonna kick these guys out? Twenty three eleven? N FRM,
what do you want if you win? Like? How do
we fix? How are you anticipating fixing? The system is
going to benefit all the teams. You guys need to
sit down and think about this and maybe just maybe
sit down with one another and get this all figured out.
That was a very noble thing, whatever the specific words

(38:59):
the judge used, that was a noble thing for the
judge to say. That judge obviously is not terribly familiar
with NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Well he said, he said, it's hard to picture a
winner if this goes to the mat or to the
flag in this case, it scares me to death to
think about what's what all this is costing? And I'm
sure that's monetarily and and also goodwill sign on things
in that and then yeah, so now they want to
go to a full three judge a Pelte court panel
for the injunctions to recognize as a charter teams before

(39:28):
things are getting resolved, so that should be an interesting
situation for that too. So it's just it's a damn
mass man, like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I just don't think there's any way that those two
teams could sit down with NASCAR and separately negotiate something
outside of a court, because that's how they got in
this situation in the first place, because NASCAR was unwilling
to negotiate. And if NASCAR is willing to sit down
with them, that means that they would then have to

(39:58):
renegotiate a deal for all of the the teams. And
I don't think they're gonna be willing to do that
at all. I think they would much rather die on
that hill and spend all that money win or lose
to not give in to the teams unless they're forced too.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
And honestly, the further and further it goes, and the
crazier and crazier you hear things that the twenty three,
eleven and front Row teams are lawyers are going to
more and more. I think NASCAR could win this one
if something isn't reached, But I don't know, like you said,
I don't know how you reach it when all this
stuff is going on. So yeah, well we'll see how

(40:34):
it goes. And especially with NASCAR now demanding over one
hundred text and fifty five fifty.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Oh yeah, this is it's it's turning into a mess.
And again I don't think no one's gonna be rosy
out of it, but I think for sure the teams
are not going to like what the end the end
game is.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Probably not, Yeah, probably not. And then when we get
to this next thing, Oh, it makes me wonder. It
makes me not surprised that NASCAR is in the situation
that it's in in terms of the charters and the teams,
right because twenty three eleven and FRM were probably the

(41:21):
only two teams that sat down and read what were
put in front of them when it came to the
charter deal. I don't think that any NASCAR team really
thinks about anything before they do it, and NASCAR certainly doesn't.
And this is the perfect example. Small team drama is
back more in the Rickware Racing Legacy Motorsport or Legacy
Motor Club suit. The backstory here because it was a

(41:44):
couple of months since we talked about this last I
think was like in May, so a little over a
month and it's been going on for about two months now.
Charter purchase dispute between Legacy and Rickware. Right, there was
a d that was signed, we do know that much
and Legacy. This whole thing came to court because Legacy

(42:08):
was like, hey, we thought we were buying a charter
for next year and Rickware Racing was like, no, you're
buying a charter for twenty twenty seven. And so Legacy
sued Rickware Racing and it's like, dude, how can there
be a dispute here? There was a contract sign Just
look at the effing contract. Well, they are looking at
the contract and it's about as clear as mud. Rickware

(42:29):
Racing announced this week that they are countersuing Legacy Motor
Club and I don't really know what for. They said
that Legacy falsely represented the terms of the sale. But again,
there's a freaking contract, Like, how could like what I
don't know, I don't know what Rickwaar Racing is is

(42:52):
suggesting here. But wait until we get to the end
of the description and you'll see why. It's not surprising
that Rickware Racing is accusing people of things that don't
make sense. So when we talked about this first time,
there were a couple of charters, and we got some
clarity on the exact charters that were for sale and
where the confusion happened. Initial talks were for Legacy to

(43:16):
purchase charter number twenty seven, not for Car twenty seven,
but the twenty seventh charter issued by NASCAR. That charter
is owned by Rickware Racing, currently being leased by RFK
for use on the sixty car. When that charter was
done being leased, you can only lease it for one
year to another team. It was going to come back

(43:39):
to Recware Racing. They were going to use it themselves
to field a car for Codywear for another year, and
so they told Legacy, hey, we can sell you this charter,
but we can't sell it to you until l after
twenty twenty seven because we're going to use it in
twenty twenty six once we get it back, because we've
already committed our other charter that we have to the
sixty team for next year. At some point in the process,

(44:03):
Legacy was like, oh, well, how about this purchase agreement
to put a contract in front of them to buy
charter number thirty six instead. Charter number thirty six is
the one that's being used by Cody where this year.
But the problem is Rickware Racing already apparently had a
deal in place to lease that charter to RFK next

(44:23):
season so they could use it for Ryan Preese in
the number sixty car. So both charters are locked up
until twenty twenty seven. Seems pretty cut and dry, right well.
After getting a contract put in front of them to
buy charter number thirty six even though they had already
agreed the lease at the RFK next year, they were like, okay,

(44:45):
this looks good, and they signed it and then are
coming back in suing saying, oh, no, no, no, there
were several errors and misstatements of fact in the contract
that we signed. There were references in there to twenty
two twenty five that should have been references to twenty
twenty six. But they have a lawyer and they read

(45:06):
it and signed it. So if the contract was not correct,
why the f would you sign it? Accept seven hundred
and fifty thousand dollars a seven hundred fifty thousand dollars
non refundable down payment from Legacy and then be like, oh, no,
we didn't mean that here, would you like your money back?
And of course Legacy was like, no, we don't want
our money back, we want a fucking charter. And so

(45:28):
that's where we are. I don't understand. I don't understand
how Rickware Racing A signed a contract that they didn't
agree to the terms of, like why they would sign it,
and b why they would sell a charter that they
had already committed to somebody else it be Cody Ware
or or RFK and then see like go to court

(45:56):
over something that they read and agreed to. Like, I
just don't get it. The only thing that everybody can
agree to in this suit is that the charter was
sold or has agreed to be sold, for forty five
freaking million dollars, which is like mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Two things. One, maybe Recuare Racing should go out of
business energy like this, you think, so, maybe maybe that's it.
Two that's get rid of the charter system. I know,
that's get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
That's all. As I was trying to decipher all of
this madness. I was like, if these like, if you're
gonna do this, either don't do the charters at all,
or have it be a legit franchise system.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Well, and as as we speak, as we'll get into
here in a bit, with the Dodge situation, you are
stunting growth of the sport by having thirty six charters.
Albeit there are only thirty six cars that do show up,
so that that isn't that's a number that's pretty on key,

(46:55):
But I mean it's it's like, if you've got to
get rid of it, you either have to to expand
or shrink the charter system and expand the benefit to
non charter teams, or just get rid of it all together.
Like in all honesty, perfect world, twenty teams get the
charter and that's the top twenty one points of the
year previous and then that way all we know we're

(47:18):
locked in, and then everything else is fine because there's
a lot of food to go around for everybody. We're
gonna see a lot of paint schemes that have really
weird sponsors, and even with the charter, Rick Were racing
still proves you can get really weird sponsors the week
of the damn race. That hasn't changed. So, I mean

(47:39):
the system is not iss. Let's be honest. If you're
getting forty five million dollars for the charter, how the
hell are you going out of business?

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Right? Exactly? Yeah, And that was part of the argument
from Recoire Racing. They were like, if we give them
our only remaining charter next year, we're gonna have to
go out of business because we won't be able to
run as a chartered team. To do is look at
the entry list each week there are slots for open teams.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
And you got forty five mil. Dog.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Yeah, And if NASCAR has their way, they can just
take half of that forty five million and just buy
one of the twenty three eleven charters off in NASCAR
once they get them back.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Well, if NASCAR is at ways, they just pull it
from wear and give it to Jimmy Johnson. Yeah. Yeah,
I mean it's one of those things. It's like you
either got to make it more exclusive and then have
more incentive for non charter guys to run, or just
get rid of the whole thing on together, which I
mean get rid of it all together because it's not
necessarily bringing The only thing is bringing value is trading
paper around. Yeah, not since dunder Mifflin have we had

(48:39):
this more valuable paper hanging around here. Well, remember NFTs,
those things are gone so long you might not get
rid of the chartersat pay out the teams whatever amount
and then away you go.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Which even at the time when they started, the charters
were like, these are the NFTs of Nascar, you know.
And I hate it in all of these articles when
they refer to a charter in NASCAR, because it's the
only way to really logically refer to it to somebody
who's not in the NASCAR world. They refer to them
as kind of like franchises, like and but they're not

(49:13):
like the a franchise like the LA Lakers can't be like, well,
we want to compete as an open team, and so
we're gonna lease our franchise to, you know, Phoenix, So
Phoenix does have a team. We're gonna lease our franchise to, like,
I don't know, to Bismarck, so they can have a

(49:36):
team in the NBA this year too. Like there's no
equivalency between an actual like an actual franchise system and
what NASCAR is doing, and that's because NASCAR wants to
keep control but also be like all the other sports,
and it's just not possible.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
No, they can't be like the other sports.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
They don't understand that, which is why we're having this
lawsuit between twenty three eleven FRM in NASCAR. Yes, because
they're trying to have it both ways and you can't
do it. And this freaking situation with Rick car Racing
and Legacy Motorclub is the perfect example as to why.
And it's also the perfect example of another way that
a franchise system works way better than what NASCAR has

(50:19):
because in a franchise system, some just some rando can't
come in, some rando idiot can't come in just because
he has a lot of money and buy a franchise.
Typically they've got to go through an approval process with
all of the other owners, at least in the NFL
that they do. And if Rick Ware and his team
is so stupid that they can't even read a basic contract,

(50:41):
then maybe they shouldn't be owning charters or franchises in
NASCAR or any other sport.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm absolutely don like that. That's the
thing that should be key. NASCAR should be like, oh god,
are you going to find a way to get this
out of here?

Speaker 3 (50:53):
There's no vetting process, man, anybody can come in and
least or buy a charter from anybody else.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Right exactly, So just get rid of it and we'll
be fine. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
Unfortunately, now, the only way that NASCAR could do that
and have the teams not like have a riot and
more lawsuits is to basically buy everybody out of their charter.
And NASCAR loves their money so much and never going.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
To do that. Yeah, I mean, and I think you
just got to get rid of the France family, Like
that's really That's the.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Other thing too. Can you imagine how what, what, how
much different of a place we would be in right
now if the rumors were true and they had sold
the Spectrum or somebody else a couple of years back.
Would have been nice, Oh my gosh, what totally would
have been.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Been fantastic, Probably would have probably would have.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Had a franchise system at this point, and everybody would
be making.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Money exactly, and and everything would be final TV, and
you know, people would be fine.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Well, let's go from one bit of weirdness to another.
One races for potentially next year after the Mexico City
Race or a lot of people asking, you know, are
you gonna come back or are you going to do
this again? As car is a little non committal right
now on it. They said they're hopeful, And then there
are also rumors floating around that they could if they

(52:08):
did come back it, they would double up the weekend
with IndyCars, so you'd have an IndyCar race on Saturday,
a couple of series race on Sunday. I like that idea.
I think that the reason that they're noncommittal right now
is because of the other couple of stories we're going
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Yeah, I mean the IndyCar thing is fun, but I
think that'd be God, that'd be really weird pretty I
would think that the tire compositions would be a little
weird on.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
It could be Yeah, yeah, because you're putting down different
rubber on the track for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yeah yeah that and I mean like the logistics of
practices and things like that as well. I mean that
that I mean hopeful, sure, I mean I think they
would go back. I think it deserves a second year
to figure. I mean, hell, were doing well, I got
a story about Chicago. Nice, and they're they're they're somehow
getting you know, getting another year this year, so why

(52:59):
not give them another race in Mexico City. But it
me interesting to see how that all pans out. I'm
sure the power of Penske will help everything involved, Yeah
for sure.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, if he wants to do it, I think that
would help push it along. But the reason that they
may be not ready to you know, sign a deal
is because there are two rumors floating around. Number one
that NASCAR is almost done with a deal for another

(53:27):
street course race, this one not in Chicago necessarily, but
in San.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Diego, Sandiago. Yes.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
And on top of that, then I guess what Phelps o'donald,
one of the Steves, was talking about Philadelphia too.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah. Steve O'Donnell, the commissioner of hey Gino's is good
because they don't let anybody speak anything other than English,
so that's good. Yeah, he said that they're thinking of
a race in Philadelphia at Franklin Field on the campus
of UPenn. O'Donnell says, Pocono has delivered us, delivered for

(54:03):
us in terms of fans. So when you look at
the opportunities, one of the places we looked was Franklin Field,
one of the only places we could have put a
racetrack inside. So it looks like they are going inside.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
So inside the stadium.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Inside this football stadium that's been there since eighteen ninety six.
Those types of things that within a city, we're going
to look at the days of just building a ruble
track or over if we can build a track with
some real estate development around it and partner with some people,
We're going to look at major cities and bring the
product to the fan base within the city as well.
Now we talked about this before we went on the air.

(54:35):
We know Philly very well. Don't peg Philly as a
NASCAR exactly her fan base.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Yeah, you know, they they dover markets to the Philadelphia area,
and they've had a couple of media events with drivers
in Philadelphia. In fact, I believe they did so again
this year.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Yeah that like a last week or yeah, pol Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
They had something in Philly with I can't remember it
wasn't Ricky stanhouse Chain. I can't remember what driver it
was because.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
They were at they were talking about the freedom thing.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Oh okay, all right, there you go. And so they
do try to market there, But there's a big difference
in getting the people from the suburbs to drive to
Dover as opposed to thing that the people right in
the middle of the city want a NASCAR race there.
And with any of these ideas, right, NASCAR is definitely

(55:29):
conceding the point that they want to go smaller in
scale because none of these places are going to seat
the type of people that we used to see in
the place like Bristol or Martinsville or Charlotte or anything
like that. And that part of it I don't disagree with.
I mean, this fan base isn't there anymore to sell

(55:50):
eighty or one hundred thousand tickets to a race, And
so if you can make these races in smaller places,
that works. But I mean, when you have one race
a year that's not on a purpose built track, I
think that's interesting. But if they're just gonna do what
NASCAR always does and just you know, take the idea

(56:13):
and just like runway too far with it. I don't
want half a season of racist attracts that aren't purpose
built for racing, you know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I mean you cause a lot more damage overall. I
don't think you're gonna get the response that you want either,
especially if you're gonna do this like the coliseum kind
of thing too, if it's going to be inside the
stadium in and of itself. But yeah, I mean you're
gonna have a lot because if it is going to
be a points race, oh boy, you getting thirty six

(56:45):
cars on a quarter mile track, dude, that's like, that's
not fun racing. But I mean, we'll see how it goes.
I think it's just they're just throwing names out there,
and I don't necessarily think that, you know, like I said, Philadelphia,
if you're gonna do it, do it. Do it at
the Atlantic City. If you want to keep in that region,
do it somewhere in South Jersey. But I mean, yeah,

(57:08):
Philadelphia proper not really pining for a NASCAR race as
much as you know Steve O'Donnell wants to hope. So yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
And then in San Diego, I think you take that
idea and multiply by two. In terms of when I
think of a NASCAR market, I'm not thinking of San
Diego way more than I'm not thinking of Philly as
a NASCAR market. Like this one kind of boggles my
mind unless they're trying to play off of the popularity
of the Mexico City race and thinking they could get

(57:38):
people from Tijuana to drive across the border to see
this one in San Diego. I think that. I think
that's a big leap. I think there's a big difference
between asking you know, people in Mexico City, a giant like,
I mean, there's what over ten million people there. I
think it's way more feasible to get a small percentage,

(58:00):
a tiny percentage of those that massive number of people
to come to a race that's in their town, as
opposed to asking uh, fans from a neighboring country to
come across the border, especially when there's not that much
goodwill right now between those countries.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think you also look at the
fact that it's just like, oh, look at all, look
at all this we get, We'll get Southern California. Again,
It's like, No, I don't think that's target.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
It's the same. It's that that's not Southern California in
the way that Fontana is Southern California for NASCAR in
terms of NASCAR.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
No, no, all, I think in general too, like I
don't necessarily think that San Diego is southern California. And
that's you know, when I think Southern California, I think LA. Right,
san Diego, I think it's San Diego is almost like
a whole different creature in ms of in terms of
what it is. And like the southern Southern it is
Southern California, but it's not Southern California.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Right exactly. And but and well, I was gonna say,
I get where NASCAR is coming from here, like like
with both the Franklin Field thing and the San Diego
street course thing and the Chicago street course thing, because yeah,
these are disruptive to the communities, but they don't cost
even even the coliseum. It costs NASCAR money, and you think,

(59:13):
why would they want to spend that money? But when
you think about it from the alternate perspective, then okay,
so maybe it costs a couple million bucks to put
down the pavement in these places or create the street courses,
and then a couple million more dollars to pay off

(59:33):
the city, and then a couple of million more dollars
for all of the ancillary infrastructure it goes along with
it and hiring people.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
And everything like that.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Right, So let's say it cost six million dollars to
put on one of these races for NASCAR, Well if
they every time they do that to reach a new market,
like Steve o'donald said, they're not building a rural track,
and a rural track costs hundreds of millions of dollars.
Now I'm sure to buy the land to develop it,

(01:00:01):
to build the track, it costs years of time. Instead,
they can spend six to eight million dollars putting on
a race, and they could do that ten times before
they even start to get into remotely into the area
that it would cost them to build an actual track.
And we see this with Auto Club Speedway because they

(01:00:22):
sold all that land and then they were so hyped
on making a short track and they were like, oh wait,
it's going to cost that much to do it. I mean,
even if it costs sixty million bucks to redo all
of that area and build that track, that's like what
eight years of running a San Diego street course or

(01:00:43):
a Chicago street course or Franklin Field or a temporary
track at you know, at the coliseum. Like the financials
work out way better for NASCAR just putting on these
one off races and doing two or three years and
moving to another place two or three years and moving
to another place than it does building a facility, maintaining
that facility, paying for full time staff for that facility,

(01:01:05):
Like this is a money play for a NASCAR as
much as you know the charter system is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I mean you got you gotta like the the idea.
They want to get that and it's temporary and boom
boom boom. But it's also like man, and it's risky.
It's a risky venture because people are already feeling alienated
with the new tracks are going to don't necessarily know
if it's going to help out if you keep going

(01:01:32):
to other places like that, you know what I mean.
I see both sides of it. But I think in
the in the grand scheme of things, it's it does
more harm, not necessarily, like just like it does a
lot less good will and to do street courses than
it is to build a rural track. And I mean

(01:01:55):
you go to a populous city and sure you get
people to travel there because it's easy to travel to.
But I mean doesn't necessarily mean that place is a hotbed. No,
probably not right. I think you're not getting the demographic
you actually want.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Yeah, And therein lies the biggest part of the risk.
You know, you're you're hoping that you're going to attract
new people that are in that city, that makes sense,
but you're also hoping that the people who are used
to going to those rural tracks, easy and easy out,
lots of parking, you know, a familiar setting, are gonna
be willing to fight the battle that it is to

(01:02:29):
get into and out of a downtown.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Area like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
And when it comes to San Diego, I mean it.
I wouldn't go there on a weekday, just like I
wouldn't go to La on a weekday because you're dealing
with monstrous amounts of traffic. Now Weekends, yes, are different,
and I understand that, but you're still dealing with lots
and lots of traffic whenever you're in a big time
city like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean it's just gonna be
a logistical nightmare for everyone involved. And I don't think
the people, Dude, if you make a logistical nightmare for
people and field Peel even more so, they're they're gonna
let you hear about it more than people in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
Chico probably probably. But but what is the story with Chicago.
That that you had since we're on the oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
The story, the story, the story Daddy has about Chicago.
Is it somehow, somehow, some weird kind of existence. The
five million dollars got allocated to the Street Street race
in the General Revenue Fund UH for costs associated with
operating expenses? Oh? Really kind of weird? Had just five

(01:03:33):
million dollars popped up in the budget that the governor
didn't know about?

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
So, I mean, who who's to say? Are these to
say things are not on the up and up there?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah? So, and and I guess this is like maybe
Chicago's move to try to keep the race.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I'm thinking they're trying to do some kind of budget
to keep it for another year.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, So that that was That was an interesting situation,
especially the fact that like, I don't know where this
came from. Do you know where this came from?

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I mean, that's sounding is not unusual in politics, let's
be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to say here. Public
expense to hold the race was a hot topic. Spent
four million dollars in the inaugr race, but received six
hundred and twenty thousand in direct payments from the racing
Company of NASCAR. No what yep okay went four million
to get six to twenty back when he came back.

(01:04:35):
Current budget has two grants for the organization, a spokesperson
for the state Department of Commerce and Economy said, covering
two million dollars for the tire insulation, insulation, removal of
the race course barriers, another label, and staffing costs from
the twenty twenty three race, and another five million was
set aside as bonded capital, including a two point five
million dollars in process with DCEO for purchasing installation of

(01:04:57):
race course barriers. D e CEO said the other two
point five five million is unreleased. NASCAR spokespersons at the
association Wilson been expensive to d CEO for their review
and approval at the end of this year's race, which
is and six. They'd also spent advertising dollars that they
enjoy Illinois three hundred race in Madison and NASCAR events
and chicagoan racetrack in Joliet. BJ Pritzker, who's the governor,

(01:05:21):
said he couldn't speak to WI five million was put
in the budget for NASCAR. Butt said the state terrorism
budget has increased in his six and a half years
as governor.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Hmmm, interesting, Yeah, you know, so it sounds like they
basically have these fund set aside and then NASCAR, if
they can prove that they're using them in a particular way,
then they can get reimverse for those expenses. And you
know they city councils and mayors, they are very sometimes

(01:05:53):
they are very able to be manipulated emotionally, right that
the perception of like tax dollars coming in and things
like that, and then the prestige it goes along with
having a particular event can speak louder than the actual
upfront cost to them. They aren't always thinking in like

(01:06:14):
like a finance or a budget person would. We'll put
it that way. They're like, it's like they're perpetually shopping
for a new car, and they always buy on emotion
before they check out like the maintenance costs and the
gas mileage.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah you're telling me, brother, So I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Can see how how they might panic a little bit
thinking we had an event and somebody else might get
this event from us. We don't really care how useful
the event is. We just don't want to lose it
to San Diego, or we don't want to lose it
to Philly, or we don't want to lose it to
New York City or something like that. Like that is
like those types of discussions do go on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
This is going to cost us, but we want to
keep it here right right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
Even if it costs us, it's better than somebody else
getting it and saying we took it from Chicago. Sometimes
stuff like that does happen in small and mid range government.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Indeed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Yeah. And then speaking races, Iowa has announced that they
have sold out their grandstand for the Iowa Cup race.
The grandson only holds thirty thousand people, So I believe
that's very believable. It's very plausible that they sold thirty
thousand tickets for the for the race there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
Yeah, good for them and good for them, yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
That that's what That's why NASCAR wants to explore smaller
places like that place in Philadelphia, because because it looks good,
and we've been saying this forever, it looks good if
you have a lot of people in the place, and so,
you know, start picking smaller places. It's easier to get
get you know, to say you have a sell out
or whatever. Right exactly, let's see here. Oh and this

(01:07:49):
is very interesting. This also came out either today or
yesterday yesterday Dale Junior gonna make his debut as a
crew chief this weekend. So Connor Zilich had a crew
chief that was suspended for some loose lugnuts back in Nashville.
They're serving that one race suspension this weekend in Pocono.

(01:08:11):
And so since it's Junior's car and Junior is there
anyway doing the prime broadcast, he's gonna do double duty
and get up on the pit box. It's been kind
of interesting because just because you're a good driver doesn't
mean you're a good crew chief, And just because you're
a good analyst doesn't mean you're a good crew chief.
So hopefully he's doing his homework. Although knowing Junior, he

(01:08:31):
probably is doing his homework.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Oh yeah, no, he's probably well, I mean he's hired
enough people who have been in that position, right for.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Right, right, Yeah, I mean he's gonna come in with
a strategy, even if it was written down for him
on a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
He's gonna win the damn thing. Watching They're gonna win
the race. That's wolla, be hilarious, crazy, a couple of
couple of things for me. The president of Dodge, Tim
Kolinski or whatever the hell his name is Cooney's Guys,
was on The Happy Happy Hour with Kevin Harvick oh okay,

(01:09:04):
talking about RAM coming into the Truck Series, and they
said that they were really in twenty twenty one that
they were really close to getting back in the Cup,
but when the Cup Series had a charter system, they
had to slow down a bit because they're like, well,
everything and this kind of goes back to the whole
thing of stunting growth, just like, well, now we got

(01:09:26):
to stop to stop in this production and they're hoping
to get the Cup Series by twenty twenty seven. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
So there's that bit of things there. And one more
thing that ESPN is going to be airing Sports Center
from Dover Motor Speedway on July twentieth, the morning of
Sports Center in the morning. It's part of their fifty
States in fifty days gimmick. They'll be there for Dover Weekend.
The ten am edition will have Marty Smith hanging out

(01:09:55):
doing some dang things there. Fifty six consecut of the
years at Dover has hosted a NASCAR Cup Series event. Nice,
So Monster Miles only one of ten tracks in the
country to host one hundred or more NASCAR Cup Series race. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Interesting, Yeah, I assume Bristol Martinsville would be on that list.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Daytona Talladega, Talladega. Yeah so so yeah, so that they'll
be there broadcasting ESPN on the morning of July twentieth.
So if you've got if you're up that early on
a Sunday, go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah, hopefully, hopefully it helps a little bit, get a
little extra coverage. Was never bad? Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Oh oh yeah, was it a good race?

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Oh my gosh, yes, was it a good race? So
all right, I like, if I had to rate it
on a scale of one to one hundred, I put
it in like a like the race itself, at about fifty, right,
But because of the location and the significance of it,

(01:11:04):
I would like say that, you know, I'd lean a
little bit more toward a sixty. So I'm going to
say that, knowing that the fans are usually a lot
more optimistic than me, I'm going to say seventy two.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Percent said it was a good race, so close seventy
three point five. Ah okay, all right, rank seventh of
the twenty road Next Gen Road course. In street races,
it bumps up to the season average for Jeff Gluck's
Good Race Poll to sixty seven point one percent, not

(01:11:40):
including any class or All Star. That whole short track
middle part kind of ruined. I mean, Bristol getting a
twenty percent kind of screwed it. The Talladaya getting a
thirty nine percent kind of screwed it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
So yeah, you know, once again, it's another situation where
since you're only picking good or bad, like I don't
think it was bad, like I don't think it was great,
but it certainly wasn't bad. And we got to see
one driver out front who was just very very dominant

(01:12:11):
in an impressive way in multiple you know, types of conditions,
multiple tires, you know, didn't matter pit stops, whether he
got out later, he always found a way back to
the front. And then there was action back in the field,
and so that made things exciting because we saw cars
go off track and we saw guys running into each other,

(01:12:31):
and and so yeah, I wouldn't say it was bad then,
And so I think the bar is pretty high for
somebody to raid a race as bad, Like, it's got
to really be bad to get below that fifty percent mark.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Really tough.

Speaker 3 (01:12:51):
Yeah, so all the Chase Elliott fans were where the
twenty percent who said it was bad? What else we
got to here? Oh, we're down the sponsor, we are, okay.
So this one's kind of interesting that we're gonna start
with Denny Heblin and Joe Gibbs Racing announced a multi
year deal and I'm like, oh, here we go with
Bob's discount furniture with that creepy like puppet dude.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Yeah, it's the it's the Ali's guy before he got down.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
Yes, exactly, it's exactly what it's like. It's like the
Ali's dude, but for furniture, and yeah, unless crazy looking.
So this is a multi year deal. It's gonna start
in Iowa at that sold out race. But they're giving
us very very few details on what the deal actually
looks like. They did say that they would be primary

(01:13:41):
for multiple races throughout the deal, but they didn't say
how many races a year, how many in total, how
many years it is. All we know is that we're
gonna see them on the car from time to time.
So it's either good or bad. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
I think it's fine. I mean, you get get the
name one there, you're good to go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Yeah, upper deck is putting Superman on the hood of
the forty five car of Tyler Reddick at Atlanta. Car
looks pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah, it's fine. A nice little upper deck conclusion and
trying to get the thing out there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
So something called Costa Oil is gonna be on the
number fifty one Cody Wear car Pocono. Apparently Costa Oil
does ten minute oil changes. I get the idea. I
kind of prefer that somebody takes more than ten minutes
to change the oil in my car, which is why
I change my own oil in my car. I do
think the paint scheme is kind of like retro a

(01:14:36):
little bit. If it reminds me of those Loves paint
schemes a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, for sure. It kind of reminds me of the
little like haveling ones.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Yeah, a little bit, a little bit of that, just
with different colors mixed in. And then Pigeon for the sorry,
the Pigeon Forge Racing coaster, and I'll explain that in
a minute. It's gonna be on the number seventy eight
b J McCloud car. Yes, b J McCloud is going
to be in the race at Atlanta. Why they're sponsoring

(01:15:05):
him for the Atlanta race when after some research, Pigeon
Forge is in Tennessee, not in Georgia, I don't know.
And apparently BJ McLeod is part owner of the Pigeon
Forge racing coaster. What is a racing coaster? You ask, Well,
I'm so glad that you did, because I was curious too.
So basically, a racing coaster is a roller coaster that

(01:15:29):
has two tracks side by side, and then you ride
on this little car that can hold either one or
two people. And when I say he can hold two people,
it's like two man bob slide style two people where
the second person is kind of laying on top of
the first person, and it's have you ever heard of
those like mountain like coaster things where you're sitting in

(01:15:52):
a little car and you just kind of roll on
a track down the side of a mountain and then
you've got like a little break that you can like
pull on. The cars are like that, even though, why
if you're racing against somebody in the other lane why
would you ever want to use the brakes?

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I did watch an entire run through of how it goes,
and I'm struggling to see how the excitement level merits
the twenty two dollars and adult price to run two
laps of the course. It it It doesn't really put

(01:16:29):
the thrill and thrill ride. And I am not a
roller coaster person at all. I'm like terrified of those
crazy roller coasters to go upside down and like drop
straight down and stuff like that. But when I saw this,
I this is the good This is a good measure
of like the the fun factor of a roller coaster.
If I see it and immediately think, oh I would

(01:16:49):
do that, it's probably not that much fun for people
who like roller coasters. And when I saw this, I
was like, oh, I would totally do that. I'm not
scared of this at all by watching it, so I'm
not dissing it, like, go there, have fun, but just
take it with a grain of salt, like take take
my advice with a grain of salt, but understand where
I'm coming from as a person who is terrified of

(01:17:10):
roller coasters. I looked at this one and thought it
would be perfectly fine for anybody to ride on, including myself.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
And shot out shout out b J mc clouds for
inventing something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Yeah, I guess so it's I mean, the concept is cool. Yeah,
you know, there's nothing else there. It doesn't appear as
anything else there but the coaster, so it's not like
a theme park and that's part of it. And maybe
maybe that's what they're heading toward. And if they head
toward that where there's like more stuff to do other
than driving all the way to a town in Tennessee
to ride a roller coaster and then drive home, then

(01:17:41):
then I think they'll have something like if they start
to build like a racing themed park around it with
other activities, right go kart track, that'd be good, some
arcade style stuff, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
They make it a fun a boardwalk thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Yeah, if they did something like that, then I think
they would really have something. And who knows, maybe this
is the first step toward that. But they're going to
be on be Jim McCloud's car, so basically he's sponsoring himself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Writing it off is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
A tax, right off? And ny Man, whatever you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah, yeah, so so that brings us to Pocono.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Get those hard you know what, rest in peace? Uh
Brian Wilson, Yeah, yeah, he wanted to go down to Kocomo.
We want to go down.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
We want to go down to Pokemon. Pocono probably going
to rain. I haven't looked at the forecast, but it's
probably gonna rain.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Uh yeah rain here today. It's but no, we're going
to be in the heat dome. Heat in the east.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Oh is did I hope you didn't hear all those
bling bling blings because typing on the wrong keyboard.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
No, you're fine. Uh, we're in the East coast is
getting any heat dome now?

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
So oh wow, look at this Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.
Rain today, rain on Thursday, but then partly cloudy the
rest of the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
So there you go, boom heat dome. Baby.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah, gosh, he th is going to work to our
advantage here. So for once, it won't rain in Pocono
or but the field will still be soaked.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
What everybody gets humidity, Yeah, it will.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Still be be the same feeling of Pocono. And then
the grand stands should have a lot of people and
the infield will be great. If you're there, it'll be fun.
You know, hopefully you won't want to get much sleep
because it's gonna be raty tonight. Um and uh and yeah.
So that brings us to the entryless. I don't know
how many do we have here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
There's just our thirty six or we going seven. Who's
the extra person Brenden Pool jumping in the ny Racing ride?

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Oh wow, n Y Racing is all up in here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Yeah, they got Brendan Pool and they got uh, they
got the uh who they have in the whole Oh
they don't. It doesn't members first, members first, federal credit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
Oh, they're the members first people. Okay, all right, all right,
well with that, let's uh, let's dive into the only
good thing on NASCAR dot Com, which you have subsequently
ruined and then they made it good for a while
and now it's it's decent right against preview. We got
sixty eight on the docket between all three series. As
you look through here that there's some carryovers from last week,

(01:20:10):
but what do you like? There's some new ones too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
There's some new ones, and I'll start with you know,
I'm just gonna one of the best bread choices you
can make the number forty seven Martins potato rolls.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Oh, I love the I see Ricky Stenthouse Junior is
pissing me off right now because he's being a jerk.
But I do love those potato rolls.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I think I think he's he's in.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
The in the world of potato rolls. In my opinion,
Martins is the best. That's why they are famous.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Oh yeah, of course, I think that's huge Exfinity. There's
a couple in infinity.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
There are some good Exfinity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
There's some good ones. I will give a honorable mention
to the number twenty six for the uglies. Kettle Chips
has got an ugly potato chip there. But I'm going
to yield my time and give it to the number seven.
Camel Beach Outdoor water Park. It's got someone swinging there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
Oh yeah it does. Yeah, like they're they're swinging. There's
waves too. Yeah, there's a slide on the back of
the car.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Yeah. So there you Camel Beach. Shout out truck series.
Nothing doesn't. Usually you got a couple. You got a
couple and the one I'm leaning to, man, it's kind
of bad. Give me the Patrick Everling going two for
two Goat Power Bikes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
That is the best of the bunch in the truck
series there for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
So he's got two of my spots this week. But
what do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Okay? So, man, this is a tough one because I
wanted to pick two in the Cup Series, but I
think I'm only going to pick one, oh in the
Cup series. So I'm going to do two x one
one cup uh in X. I am gonna take your
honorable mention the Dean Thompson car with the Uglies kettle Chips,
because not only does it have that weird jacked up

(01:22:13):
potato chip on the side, I looked it up, there's
also a weird jacked up potato chip dude on the hood.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
No, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Yeah, So I'm definitely going with the Uglies on that one.
That's backed up with Thompson Pipe Group.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Well, I mean, if you're eating those ugly potato chips,
you're gonna need a pipe group make sure you're exactly Also,
Ugly is the best the best Bubble Sparks song on
a death challenging shot up of a Sparks.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Then I'm also gonna go with Brennan Poole, the aforementioned
Brendan Poole, but not in the Cup Series. In the
X Series with that members first FCU Chevrolet.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Yeah, that's going right car and it's super bright.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
It's it looks like car they should be running in Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
And then in the Cups, are I gotta pick something?

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
By the way, the color palette doesn't match the logo either.
It's kind of weird too.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
It doesn't. But I like the colors that they use
on the car because it is very neon eighties type
of thing. And then in the Cup Series, you picked
the best one in the Cup Series by far, the
Martins Potato Bright.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
It's the best one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Shout out a Gorilla's Pickles. They make a really good pickle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Although I picked they're going to be part of the
Sonic Pickle menu coming up soon.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
Oh are they really? I didn't. No, I'm gonna go
I don't. Did I pick this one already? Did I?
Did I pick the Unicorn car the number ninety nine,
I don't think I did. I'm gonna go Suarez and
the very good Ventures car. It's got a unicorn wearing
shades on the side and on the hood for them, but.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
It's also AI, So it's really killing the water system electricity,
so probably probably yeah, because that environment. Dog.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Yeah, they'll probably give us an answer if I ask it.
If Daniel Swares can win the race, So give me
an answer just slightly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Off right and then put an extra finger on it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Yeah, exactly, give me an answer. It's close. It seems plausible,
but there's like one very obvious mistake in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Yeah, it's just like it's fantastic. Ask Crock, Crock, is
this true?

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Yeah, that's Crock.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
What's happening to that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
That that that what do you call? It's not a missile,
it's a that that rocket did not blow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Up, dude, It's just it's just a break it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
It's just spontaneously deconstructed itself.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Boy, howdy oh man, was that fitting or what like
your cousin for life right there?

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Exactly. I'm just glad nobody was in that thing, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so,
oh my gosh, we gotta do picks.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I sure, dude, that obviously you were in away with
that one last year. I want I want on a Saturday,
but we don't count Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
And by the way, that was a phenomenal win. Just
all the way around. I mean not just the fact
that Daniel Suire is one in the first like WOS
race in his home country, but that they did it
in a backup car from the back of the field
was pretty ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
Yeah, he ruined his nice paint scheme. He did.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
He had that cool paint scheme, that cool Quaker State one.
So unfortunately he wasn't able to duplicate that effort in
the Cup Series. But I was pulling for him. I
was hoping that he would.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Yeah, for sure, hm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
So that means you get the entire field, including Brendan Poole.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah, especially Brandon Poole, especially Brendan Poole. Actually Brandon Poole.
But I think Brandan Poole is gonna come up a
little later in our program. Boy, you know what I have.
I have a little bit of faith in him, A
little bit of faith in him. So I'm gonna pull

(01:25:51):
the trigger. Hasn't done too much this year, but I
think he's due. That's a that's a Tyler Reddick.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Oh, Tyler Reddick, All right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Tyler Reddick. I think I think he can. I think
you give a run.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Well here, the obvious choice, of course, Denny Hamlin. Right,
he's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Yeah, I'm not gonna go by the way, he did
get the waiver.

Speaker 3 (01:26:14):
Oh, they give the waiver, obviously they did. But I'm
not gonna go Denny. I'm gonna make it harder on myself.
I like the idea of a Toyota and you picked
a Toyota. No you didn't pick I did? Oh who
you picked?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Three eleven toyota?

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Oh you picked Rightick? Okay, okay, man, I almost I
want to go with his teammate.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
With Bubba, that would be. That was I was on
my mind too.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Yeah, because he's been racing so well right now. For me,
it's like like going out of limb would be between
him and Kaseloska. I'm gonna go bub give me bug
Bubba on this. He's been racing so much better than Cass. Yeah,
Kez is good here and at some point it's got
to turn around for him. But he's got to show
me something. So yeah, give me bubble Walls. We'll do
twenty three eleven versus twenty three eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
My my, it's like last week when we did trackhouse Cars.
My other one was Ryan Blaney was late.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Yeah, Blaine, it would be a good pick here too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
All right, Brennan Poole. Last week Ryan Truex finished twenty third,
just at that cuttle cut offline for yeah, oh you did, okay,
Yeah I was, I was. I was only eight spots
away you were nine. Boo and kind of brutal, boo,
kind of brutal. But Brennan Pole in this race has

(01:27:37):
not raced since Las Vegas of twenty twenty three, Oh
my goodness, where he finished a thirtieth. He seems to
be living in that thirty area. And he's in an
NY racing car too, in an NY race. He was
in the Rick Rare Racing car before. So take with
that grain of salt, which you will. But he kind
of he's a thirty. He's a thirtieth place merchant. Only

(01:27:59):
one top ten in his career. That was in twenty
twenty in Talladega big you know, restrictor prate play guy.
So I mean he has won, he has not. He's
only driven in Pocono once. Even although that's right, they
did back to back. I forgot they did that double

(01:28:19):
hitter Dury in Covid. Yeah, they finished twenty ninth and
twenty seventh, So not really much to go on on
that one. He's running for Alpha Prime Racing and again
last year. Last year for Xfinity finished twenty sixth. The
year before finished twenty ninth. A couple of danqs.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
How did he get this ride in the first place?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
He had the money?

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
I guess so yep, must be honest. Wow, Am I
picking first? Or you picking first?

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Then you are picking first?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Got thirty seven cars? Like the thing is, I don't
think he'll beat anybody, but some dudes might wreck. You know,
it is pokdo somebody. Somebody is going to back it
into the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Some engines could expire here too. We got to take
that too.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Yeah, of course he might be the one back in
the end of the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Cody.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Yeah, Cody Wear is in this race, though, So I'm
gonna I'm gonna bet that one person bins it early
enough that it's that that that the push him up.
One Cody Wear is gonna be Cody War. That means
that thirty fifth is what I'm gonna pick.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Okay, four breads, I'm gonna slightly higher. I'll go for
that thirty spot. I think that that's kind of where
he lives. Wow, Okay, all right, let's sick thirty thirty,
thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:29:45):
Thirty two and a half. So if he's thirty three
or lower, he his mine or so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Yeah, and then then thirty thirty two or higher.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
For someone got to be reason he gets past thirty
to thirty, we'll.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
See how the Then you get an extra point. If
you are right, finishes inside the top thirty, you get
two points.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Yeah, finish his top fifteen, we'll double that point. Also,
last week fastest and most Shane Van Ginsberg and got
the most laps led. Kyle Larson brings his uncle young
out of really garage and pulled the fastest lap.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
I am genuinely shocked by that because Svegi had the
fastest lap for ah Man, I don't remember that green
icon not being by his name. And by the way,
thanks to Amazon Prime for putting that green icon by
the fastest lap person.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Yeah the entire way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
That's that's cool. I think they should keep doing that.
But he was so fast, that's shocking that that Kyle Larson,
well good and Kyle Larson.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
And get he gets that extra playoff point. Yeah he does, so,
I mean that's he that's huge ram Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
It also proves the system is broken.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean that's Fuji should have gotten
every single point in that race. He was so dominant.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Um.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
All right, So when it comes to Brendan Poole, I've
got him thirty fifth. You've got him thirtieth. When it
comes to the race, we're going twenty three eleven on
this one, Scott, He's got Tyler Reddick. I have Bubba Wallace.
If you want to find out who wins the race,
who wins the bet, who wins the side bet, and
whether it was any good, come back next week. We'll

(01:31:16):
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(01:32:01):
and someone else. This has been in the draft of
Wilson and Wandsall history lesson.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
Forty guys, Yes please.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Sixteen thirty one. The Sack of Baltimore, which is what
they called me in college. What the Irish village of
Baltimore is attacked by Barbary slave traders.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
I didn't know there was more than what Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
Oh yeah, there's a Baltimore in County Cork, in Irelands. Yeah.
That th good times. Eighteen sixty five, The Monmouth Rebellion.
James Scott, the first Duke of Monmouth, declares himself King
of England at Bridgewater and then becomes a fifteen seed
in the tournament. Exactly seventeen eighty two, the US Congress

(01:32:39):
adopts the Great Seal of the United States. They got
that going for it. Um Samuel Morris this day in
eighteen forty receives the patent for the telegraph.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
Oh, beep beep, beep, beep beep.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Hell yeah, brother, West Virginia admitted that as the thirty
fifth state this day in eighteen sixty three, after all
that slavery.

Speaker 3 (01:32:58):
Oh interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Eighteen seventy seven, Alexander Graham Bell installs the world's first
commercial telephone service in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Really, I didn't know that's where the first one was. Yeah,
I learned something new man. Yeah. Eighteen ninety three, Lizzie
Borden the murders of her father and stepmother. Oh no,
so big win for her on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yeah, it was she Then she then wrote a manuscript
said if I adof did it and then was driving
in a white Bronco ripoj But of a lot of
World War two stuff going on there. A rare June
hurricane strikes Canada in the Gulf of Saint Lawrence in

(01:33:42):
nineteen fifty nine. Interesting, kind of weird. Nineteen sixty three,
following the Cuban missile crisis, Soviet un the United States
sign an agreement to establish a so called a red
telephone link between DC and Moscow.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
Oh interesting, it's all one line, it's all one cable.
It's just unrolled.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
It you know, yeah, just stringing string and hanging out.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Okay, So be careful if you're driving in Europe you
might accidentally drive over it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Careful if you're swimming in the Atlantic.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
Yeah, exactly, my trip on it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
And nineteen seventy two, the Watergate scannel and eighteen and
a half a minute gap appears in the tape recording
of the conversation between Richard Nixon and his advisors regarding
recent aggressive is Our operatives in the Watergate complex row
oh No. Nineteen seventy nine, in the film Jaws is released,
becoming the highest grossing film at the time and starting
to trend as summer block puts a lot of talk

(01:34:30):
about Jaws.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I've heard this week on the news and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Is it because they're opening up the beaches again? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Oh, I'll begin just because it's like the anniversary of
it being released.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, oh yeah, it is. It is a what is
it seven fifty years?

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
What year was it?

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Seventy five? Seventy five?

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
So, oh, fifty years, yeah, fifty years.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Two thousand and three. The Wikimedia Foundation is found it
in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
The wait Wikipedia Wikimedia. Oh oh, wikimedia.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Okay, meed, which though gives Wikipedia. Yeah, it's giving Wikipedia. Happy, happy,
heavenly birthday. Everybody up there to Earl Flynn, former actor
during the Golden Age of Hollywood, right right nineteen oh nine.

(01:35:24):
He was born and passed away in nineteen fifty nine.
Was in such films as he was in Robin Hood
and The Adventures of Robin Hood in nineteen thirty eighth.
I had the lead role in Captain Blood in nineteen
thirty five, was Major Jeffrey Vickers in the Charge of
the Light Brigade in thirty six, and it was in
a number of westerns. So there you go, Earl Flynn.

(01:35:46):
Congratulations figure all right, everybody, Yeah, here's that. We'll leave
you in a high note as we always do. Enjoy
the erase weekend, enjoy Pocono in those heart shaped hot tubs,
and we'll come back to you and tell you all
about it, because you know you'll probably miss it on
Amazon because you're trying to fiddle with them. You don't
know how to get it on. You have to call
your grandkids about it, and you got to hear about
the roadblocks and talk about the Skibby toilet, and then

(01:36:08):
I don't know what's going on. So you just hang
up on and he's like, ah, the hell with it.
I'll just watch the watch and Jeff Block said something,
so enjoy it and we'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
Chease, thanks for listening to In the Draft with Wilson
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