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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dark George and.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
This time smoking like hell now coming down, don't.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Know anything and welcome everyone in the draft with Wilson
and was I'm Willson here in sunny southern California. Meanwhile
right across the internet from your beautiful studio by the
bay version of two points hereo. It is what mister
Scotty was what's happened in there was?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Man, we had to space out these road course races, man, I.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Know, dude, seriously, three was it?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Three of the last five have been road course.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Three last five have been road courses, and three of
the last five have been won by the same exact person.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Which makes people, I'm sure gets people a little bit
New Zealand out in rugbied out.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
He wasn't leaking from both ends this time, so.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, thank god, yeah, exactly, God bless him. Exactly second
three race he hasn't been leaking from you, then you
know it's true a plus.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
But yeah, shanevan Gisberg and once again just puts a
back down on the field. I mean, there was competition,
mostly because of late cautions and the fact that okay,
let's just say the fact that nobody else can drive
on a road course. But let's talk about that all right,
because there were some challenges at the end, you know,

(01:19):
seame ian Gisbergan had to beat out Chase Presco a
couple of times in late restarts, but there was never
any question, right as much as the competators wanting to
be like, oh no, Briscoe got a pretty good jump there,
he's on the inside, it's like, yeah, he's on the
inside of term one because turn two goes the opposite
direction and that's where SVG is going to make his move,
and that's exactly where it happened. But we've now got

(01:41):
like legitimately like full time NASCAR drivers who know what
the f they're talking about. They're like, this guy is
better in a cup car at a road course than
anybody has ever been, and they went we went from
like zero to one hundred in that respect, because I mean,
here's a guy who's still i think, like seventh in
the points even though he's won three races. And we've

(02:03):
had world course ringers before, and the one thing that
they've never done is win, you know, and SVG is
essentially a road course ringer that's racing full time right now,
and he's kicking their ass. And I don't know if
it's just that he's that much better at road course racing,
although I was assume it's probably it, or that the

(02:24):
Cup guys just suck at road course racing. And back
in the day when you know Jeff Gordon and Tony
Stewart and those guys are like really good at road
courses and they would beat Boris said, and they beat
Ron Fellows, and then you would think, no, these guys
are just genuinely good, Like the Cup guys are really
really good, and they brought in these road courseringers they
couldn't beat them.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
One of the arguments that I heard, I think it
was like Denny Hamlin or somebody saying, is like, back
then there was more than just a driver that was
making a difference here the cars. There was so much
difference between the best and the worst. And Boris said,
and Ron Fellows, they weren't get the best cars, they
were getting just okay cars. And he was like, now

(03:04):
that everybody's in basically a spect car. Now somebody like
sfug comes in with the skill that he has and
he's kicking everybody's ass. But I still think that there
is at least an element of the other side of
that coin, because we get through these road courses. Man,
even a place like Sonoma where everybody's got notes and
everybody's been here a ton of times, and they still

(03:26):
can't get themselves sorted. Like guys are running off track
and they're just wrecking in front of each other and
they're like shoving each other off into the dirt. And
we see this at every road course and it makes
me wonder if maybe part of it is it shanevan Gisbergen,
which is really really good, And the other part of
it is that all the other Cup drivers, because they're
so used to just racing these ovals and beating and

(03:46):
banging on one another, can't figure out how to drive
a road course without wrecking.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, I think it's that part. I mean, the confines
being as wide open as they are in Hell, even
sold in Chicago with the track limits, Like they're beating
and banging, but they get swished in because there was
no runoff. So it's a situation where they don't know how.
No one knows how to road course race anymore, even
though the amount of road course races have gone up exponentially,

(04:11):
and you look back at the the The last person
I can think of and and correct me if I'm
wrong is Marcus. Marcus s Ambrose is a similar, similar
kind of situation, and he didn't dominate. He only had
two wins, yeah, road course racing, and he didn't dominate
as much as van Ginsbergen's doing it. So there in

(04:33):
this I think this is also was that that was
the car tomorrow. I think he won both his races in.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure so.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I mean, that's a whole nother can of worms. But
even then it was just the only two wins he
got were walking to Glenn. Yeah, it wasn't as if
he went on tar at Sonoma too. He got top tens,
he finished well, but it's not a situation where he
just completely just housed the field like van Ginsbergen did.
So I think it's a little bit of the car situation,
and I also think it's a little bit of him

(05:00):
knowing how to race in a road course setting for
a full time and that muscle memory that goes with it.
Because the idea of people having all these different disciplines
and being and excellent all the disciplines through racing, you know,
the different kind of tracks, I think it's kind of
gone by the wayside, even though you know, for a

(05:21):
time we thought Jase Elliott had figured it out. We thought,
you know, Joey Loganomy had figured it out. We thought
this guy figured out, that guy figured out. And it
turns out no one figured it out, and it could
They don't lose that talent quickly. So I think there
is something to do with the car and how much
it drives differently and how much you know, give and
take there is And I think a lot of people
are not They didn't lose the talent, but I think

(05:44):
the talent was stripped from them. I guess is a
better word. You know.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
The interesting thing about Gisbergen is that he came in
as a ringer. Right he wins in Chicago, he gets
the opportunity. Like I said, he's still when you look
at his results, race is like a road course ringer.
And he hasn't figured out the ovals yet. And the
two things that I was thinking here is that number one,

(06:08):
now that he's entrenched, and if you can win races,
you're gonna stick around in the Cup Series full time
because of this playoff system. Right in the past, he
might have won a race or two races, but been
like thirty fifth in the points and nobody really cares,
and so he might just go away as soon as
he shows up. But for somebody like Trackhouse, they're like, dude,

(06:29):
this guy is so good at road courses that he's
gonna be in the playoffs. We just got to get
him through these ovals. And the one major advantage that
all of those old school drivers had over the road
course ringers is not only they have better cars, but
they had a lot more experience, and they were gaining
experience race after race after race, where the ringers would
only show up every so often. But SVG now has

(06:52):
the advantage that he is in the car all the time.
So not only is he superior to everybody on a
road course, but now he's learning the car, like that
specific car better and better and better every single week,
and that's only gonna make him harder to beat on
the backside. And then the other thing that I was
thinking is, you know, people were talking about the fact
that he's like the third seed in the playoffs right

(07:13):
now because he's won three races, and I get that,
and those bonus points definitely help. I mean, we've seen
how playoff points can propel you through the first couple
of rounds, can get you to the finish line. No,
and the great equalizer for SVG is the championship part
of the format, because it doesn't matter how many road

(07:38):
course points he banks up. It doesn't matter if he
gets into the playoffs. You know, his playoff points make
him through, help him get through the first round, and
then the second round he's got the roval and he
wins to the roval sends him to the third round, right,
even if he can use that to his advantage to
get all the way to the championship race, the championship
brace is always going to be on a noval, and

(07:58):
so he's gonna have to figure at how to race
an oval or else he's never gonna have a legitimate
shot of winning a championship, even if he's in the
championship four and so like from trackhouses perspective, and this
is the second thing I was thinking. It was like, man,
if they can get him to figure out how to
run an oval, like he could legit like compete for championships,
he could.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing is they if
they move the if they start you know, cycling around
the final finale racis as they say they are going to.
Maybe there's a track that he sticks with and he
can get better at, but at the same time he
has to figure out how to conquer other tracks. I mean,
you look at all the other tracks. The highest finishing

(08:40):
thing outside of a road course, I'd be very curious.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Do you have that? There? Is?

Speaker 2 (08:44):
It is Charlotte, the six hundred at fourteen.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay, okay, all right, that's not bad. But he would
have to be doing that like an a regular basis. Yeah, no,
to have a real shot.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, and I mean Michigan he finished eighteenth, so his
last his last ten I mean one, two, four, six,
eight ten, So his last ten races starting at Texas
twenty second, twentieth at Kansas, fourteenth, at Charlotte, twenty fifth
in Nashville, eighteenth at Michigan, first in Mexico City, thirty
first in Pocono, twenty fourth in Atlanta, and then the

(09:19):
two wins Chicago and Sonoma.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Interesting. Yeah, and I was saying second, Oh, it is
second round. I was gonna say the rovol might be
third round, but the roval is second round of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, So, but he can. He can kind of glide
through if he played, if he plays his cards right
and just doesn't get into anyone's mess right here, he
can glide into, you know, as a twelfth seed, and
then it all resets and he gets that roval win
and about a being he's into that, And honestly, I
think that it's in his rookie season, his first full season.
I think it's kind of I guess, you know, inspirt.

(09:57):
I can't think of the word. It's one of those
things where it's just like it's reaching for the stars.
To have him win a championship in his rookie season,
right and you know, his first full full year in
a cup car, So to get to the playoffs, I
think is a success. And then you're playing with house
money at that point. Yeah, But I mean still he's
gonna have to figure it out. And I think in time,

(10:17):
as he goes through these tracks a second time, a
third time through the years, then I mean he's gonna
figure he has to figure it out or else he's
not gonna have a job. I mean, he can only
run on you know, almost ran kind of thing, especially
if the playoff formats changed and they get rid of
road courses or there's other street courses or who the
hell knowes someone gets better? Who knows if someone gets better,
And then he's kind of on the outside looking in.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, and you make a really good point. You know, everybody,
myself included, is like, man, he's like so good at
road courses, but he sucks so bad at OVAL's. But
you're right, he's never raced that kind of racing before
and this is the first time that he's seeing all
these tracks in a cup car, and so yeah, that
that's that's an important point to make that nobody. I mean,

(11:02):
he did see the vast majority of these in an
Exfinity car. And where where did he win? He won
all of his road course races in the next fife
or all his wins in Inxfinity were in a we're
in a uh, we're in road courses as well. But
he did have like a seventh at Darlington and eighth
at Kansas, a sixth at Phoenix. You know, most of

(11:25):
those fourth at Indianapolis, but that was was that road
course last year? I can't remember. But it doesn't even
matter because because he's seen them in the next car.
But that doesn't necessarily translate. We've seen so many drivers
that have been Exfinity Series champions and it hasn't translated
directly to the Cup Series. And so for for anybody,

(11:48):
it's going to take some time to learn these tracks.
And yeah, I think once we start to get to
these places a second time, we're going to get a
much better idea of how he's able to adapt and adjust.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, yeah, and I mean, yeah, I think, and let's
be honest, cars are completely different. It's not a single
source many as far as I know for Exfinity, it's
not single source and all that.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, they're built, they're built like the older cars work,
they aren't built like these cars though.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's a completely different feel. So I mean, we can't
bargain off of that. And he was with colleague last year,
and I mean you can only do so much for
that when they know he's he's a a just a
loaner driver for the time being. They're not going to
give him all the best stuff but for the few
races that he ran last year. So but yeah, I
think as he goes through it, as he gets more
and more, and I think as he as he moves

(12:36):
on and starts to get used to it, and I
think gets a little bit more help and learns and
understands more about the ovals from his teammates and the
team itself and the data that shows there. Then he
can work his way through and kind of get better
on the ovals and and you know, have better than
a fourteenth place outside of road courses.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, exactly, you know. And the weird thing is that
he's really not going to get a chance to see
some of these tracks for the second time until we
do get to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean that Darlington is the second one, then they
go to Gateway, then Bristol. That'll be second time seeing
that one Kansas sets in the playoffs, Vegas sets in
the playoffs, Talladega it's in the playoffs, Martinsville's in the playoffs,
and of course the second time that Phoenix is in
the playoffs. So the vast majority of his second looks
are gonna be once he gets to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, I think overall,
I think it'll help push him a little more. But
I also think that he learns a little bit quicker
than most I would say, yeah, and adjustment and knows
the cars that they can figure out the cars a
little bit faster than some so we will see how
that all piles up. But yeah, interesting situation. But I
guess the question is back to back races with Shane

(13:48):
Van Ginsberg and a dominant performance leading ninety seven laps.
Was it a good race? Though?

Speaker 1 (13:57):
There's a lot of carnage, Okay, So for me, I think, okay,
so I would put it above fifty percent. I would
put it at like the sixty in between sixty and
sixty five percent level, it would be correct. I think

(14:19):
that that, like there was some hype, you know, some
hype with the uh you know, with the commentators and
spug and everything. So I would guess on the high
side of that. So I'd say like maybe sixty eight percent.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Sixty one percent, six percent out of twenty thousand votes
on the glcometer.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean again, you got to space these things out
a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
The performance was what it was. The crashes were what
they were. I mean. Another dramatic situation is his track
house teammates getting into it. They're at the hairpin turn, yeah, exactly,
and then Ryan Blaney getting up on on the off
the grass. He just got punted, dude foot it and
then got stuck and it's all embarrassing. And then Scar's

(15:05):
Instagram worrying more about what the cameras looked like, Here's
here's the shot where the cameraman shot from, but because
he has a lens, here's the shot that it looks like.
Just ticking around their Instagram that way.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
So and then they were also making a big deal
about that Todd Gibbs thing, because Todd Gibbs had this
was weird. Ty Gibbs had a run in with Chris
Busher on the track, right, But then they were trying
to say that he was trying to retaliate against Bryke
Kizilowski's crew when he came into the pits. I think
it was the second pit stop, and that was weird.
I don't even know what to make of that situation.

(15:35):
And I've heard people who like definitely know what they're
talking about more than I do, disagree on it. And
I don't know if you saw that replay from the
UH from the six Teams pit box, that's like shining down.
And because from a rolls standpoint, Ti Gibbs did nothing wrong,
like you're allowed to roll through as many as three

(15:56):
pit boxes before you get into your pit box, and
he rolled through one that one happened to be the
pit box of the six car. But on the other hand,
like there was a huge angle that he was taking
that looked like he was trying to run right into
the wall of the sixteen before you like turned it
at the last second. And so I don't know really

(16:17):
if there was anything there or if it's really just
people making stuff up out of it.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I mean, it causes, it causes. It caused a little
fracas between the teams on pit road. Yeah, I mean
I think that that that draws ir or something. I mean,
you can you can question the safety and the ethics
about that overall. But again, if you're that close in
those close confines, I don't think those pit boxes are
all that big anyway, aren't They didn't see, So yeah,
you kind of get close confines and it can get

(16:44):
construed out of uh you know, just out of sort
out of context as it were.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
But I did, oh sorry, I was gonna say. I
did see a lot of people online in the comments
of the videos, uh that were posted of it, they
were like, oh, why were those guys even over the
wall anyway, they were like, you know, the six team
was bringing the rules because they were over the wall
before the car got there. From the old school rules perspective,
they're allowed to come over the wall when the car

(17:09):
is one pit box away. And Brad was one pit
box away when that happened. I mean he just came
right behind. But what I did not know, and thanks
to Demi Hamlin for explaining this, is they actually changed
the rules. I don't know when, if it was this
going into this year or if it was last year.

(17:30):
Because what was happening is everybody was standing on the
pit wall right and then one pit box away they
would all jump off the wall because they were trying
to get it get a head start on their car coming.
And what was happening is the tire changers because they
reduced the amount of pit crew members and go over
the wall, so each tire changer was carrying two tires

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and carrying the weight of the two tires to two
rims and everything. They were starting to get injuries, like
they were getting hurt. They were hurting their back and
hurting their knees jumping off the wall, and so NASCAR
actually eased up on the rules to help prevent that
by allowing them to stand. They can stand on the
outside of the wall as long as they're up against
the wall as the car is coming in, so that

(18:11):
they can just start running as opposed to leaping off
the wall and potentially hurting themselves. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Just you know, just have everyone in place and then
stops in a way we go.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
You know, I don't think that Ti Gibbs did anything wrong.
I do think it was kind of a dick move
the angle that he came in at, like he could
have he could have executed that more safely. He could have.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Sure, Sure, but I mean you're trying to get positions
and all that stuff, so I mean, you know that
up there. I mean, as always, there's always a devil's
advocate for everything in this one.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
And I don't know if it was malicious or not.
Like it legit could have been a mistake. Ti Gibbs
is not the best driver, so it was very possible
it could have been a mistake.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's still very wet behind the years.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, I mean, if that was Chase Sally, you'd be like, dude,
he knows how to control his car better. But it's
Ti Gibbs.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Guys, come on, yeah, let's let's put that in the focus.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Damn. All right, So ratings for this one very interesting.
All right. So it was two point one eight nine
million on TNT, so basically two point two million. That's
more than what we saw last weekend, uh with the
with the Chicago Street Course race, which was just over
two million. The last Sonoma race was two point eight
nine million. That was on Fox. I think that was

(19:20):
like the last race that Fox did for the year.
And when you think about it, when you think about
it in that perspective that that was on the big
network and they had two point nine and T and
T essentially had two point two seven hundred thousand differents,
that's pretty good for TNT.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, absolutely, I think I think that's a that's a
good number for TNT overall. Yeah, and on a on
a nothing weekend kind of thing exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And then one year ago the race exactly a year
ago was a was it Pocono rather and that was
two point three nine one million that was on USA,
So a very similar number, two hundred thousand difference between
what USA got what TNT got. There's no question that
T and T's numbers are off from your typical cable numbers,

(20:05):
but all things considered, you know, Sonoma isn't a big
draw of a race, and so I don't think those
numbers are bad.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Really, No, No, I think I think anything at a
two at this point on cable TV is fine overall. Again,
this doesn't include streaming numbers and stuff like that. I
don't think they ever release streaming numbers. If I'm quite
on it, I.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Don't think they do.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
It's a good number, a consistent number. Whether or not
it means anything. You know, you can decipher it how
you want to decipher it. But I think that in
the grand scheme of things. You look at it now
and we're pretty much cable until Daytona, which is the
last regular season race, and then we're cable until the
last three races.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Of the year. Were easy. Man, the playoffs, dude, so dumb,
so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, before we get to standing, sorry, one other thing
I wanted to talk about. They were in Sonoma right
last week, and then the racing and Dover this week,
and so literally all the way across the country, and
I sent you a link to this. This is the
dumbest thing. This is the dumbest thing that I like,
the most boring idea ever that somebody at NASCAR had,

(21:12):
And whoever this person at NASCAR is at NASCAR, they're
probably gonna get fired soon. And the reason they're going
to get fired is because what they decided to do
is on one of the convoy of like three or
four official NASCAR haulers, they put a camera up on
the dash and they're like, you know what, we're gonna live stream.
We're going to livestream the entire trip all the way

(21:35):
across country on YouTube. And I stumbled across this on
what was it? I guess they left on Monday, so
I probably stumbled across it Monday Tuesday, Tuesday morning. I
don't know when I stumbled across the stream. I was like,
what is this? Like, I've never seen this before? And
do they do this all the time? And I clicked

(21:55):
on it and they were in Wyoming and they were
heading so that hadn't I mean, they hadn't been driving
too long because they were in Wyoming probably like six eight,
ten hours something like that. I don't know how long
it gets takes a skip from snow to Wyoming, and
and they were going all the way across, and there
were so many things wrong with this, right, the camera

(22:16):
was terrible, Like the camera like the exposure wouldn't adjust itself,
and so during the day it looked like you were
driving either into the sun or possibly just driving simply
straight to heaven. And then at night it looked like
you were driving in the pitch black, right, And so
there were only like these hours at dusk and dawn
where you could really kind of see what was going on.

(22:38):
And at that point there were probably there were little
under three hundred people. There was like maybe two hundred
needy people that were watching the live stream. There's a
chat going on, right, and this stupid thing of like
watching a truck mindlessly drive on the straightest road ever
made across country was like so boring that everybody just
started like goofing around in the chat. And I was

(23:01):
singing to myself, oh man, they're almost to Nebraska. I
want to see them drive by Oglala. So I'll just
leave this on at work and I'll just glance over
at it every so often. I'll like jump into the
comments and say some goofy things. Because everybody who was
coming in was like, what's wrong with the camera, what's
wrong with the camera. Who's holler is this? Who's holler
is this? And so many people were asking whose holler

(23:23):
it was that I started answering them just with random people.
Like I would be like, oh, this is David Stremy's holler,
and they'd be like, oh cool, that's awesome, man. And
then I'd be like, oh, this is Buckshot jones Is holler.
And then one time I said, oh, this is Casey
Kane's holler, and the NASCAR moderator was like, oh my gosh,
this is a great idea. Let's tell everybody that it's

(23:47):
Elliott Sadler's holler. Like, it's Elliott Sadler all the way
across country. It's going to be Elliott Saddler and nobody else.
And in the end, by the time they actually got
to Oglala, like I was hooked. I was absolutely hooked.
Not because it was interesting because it's just a truck
driving across country, and not because it was good quality,
but because everybody was just having a ball in the

(24:09):
chat and nobody was arguing about drivers, nobody was arguing
about politics, nobody was arguing about anybody. Everybody's just having
a genuinely good time just saying this is ridiculous and
we don't know why we're here, let's just have a
stupid time. And so I don't even know how many
hours of it I watched. But then of course on
the backside, like they're going through Maryland, I'm like, I

(24:30):
got to see the Bay Bridge, I got to see
him get the dover. And then of course now I'm
like thinking about twenty years ago, like driving the dover,
and I'm like, oh my gosh, I remember this, like
I remember all of this stuff, and it was the
most fun I've had, like with anything associated with NASCAR
for years. And that's why that person is going to
get fired because their stupid idea was brilliant, and those

(24:52):
three hundred people were just shy a through hundred people
that were watching at the beginning, or like when I
joined in in Wyoming, by the time they got the dover,
it was eleven thousand people were watching the live stream.
It was I don't think they should do it again
because because it was kind of like a like it
was fun because of the shot value, because it was different,

(25:13):
it was weird, and if they do it all the
time like NASCAR typically does, they're just gonna wear it out.
But for that one time, I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
And I have to give a shout out to Barney
who was one of our two drivers that mooned us
three times, not for real, he just acted like he
mouned us, and then Rocky who we never saw on camera.
And then I do have to also give a shout

(25:35):
out to the song Feeding the Ducks. And if you
were on the live stream, you know exactly what Feeding
the Ducks was all about.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
All right, then we all know trust me? All right?
So first, first off, you're absolutely right they're gonna get
fired because it's a great idea and they're also going
to pound it into the ground, which means they're going
to keep their job. Second secondly, they made up for
that good idea with the terrible ideas of which drivers

(26:03):
are old vines on their Instagram. Oh no, what Yeah,
they put up old vines and they're like, well would
drivers lose? Oh? I think it was NASCAR. Pretty sure
it was NASCAR, not not at the NHL. It could
have been either or because both marketing departments are terrible.
And from Sonoma, California to Evanston, Wyoming, which is right

(26:24):
on the border. Yea, yeah, you taul and Evanston and Wyoming. Yeah,
twelve hours and ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Wow. Okay, so they must have left on Monday and
then I joined in very early Tuesday morning.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's that there. But uh yeah,
it's and I think you can only do it on
those long haul gimmicks. Oh yeah, for sure, unless unless
you want to do it. Unless you want to do
it from Lake Dover to where they at after Dover,
that'd be a fun trip too, just go through if

(26:58):
you all. Hell, let's let's see.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Everybody was asking for that. They were like, can you
do this Indianapolis too, man, we want to see it.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Well yeah, and then from Ioua to Watkins Glen would
be a hell of a trip too.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I would I up to upstate New York yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
And it's it's crazy, like you don't even think about
like how far these guys driving, and they didn't there
there were there was no stopping right because they had
two drivers per rig and they would just they would
stop at a rest stop, pee, get some food, swap drivers.
One guy would rest while the other guy drove. That's
why we didn't know anybody, Like, we didn't know anything
about the people in the truck until the final stint.

(27:34):
It was that final stint from UH from Ohio down
to Dover was one driver. And then that was when
Barney didn't have to sleep, and so he's like, I'm
gonna see if anybody's watching, and he jumped in there,
and of course, you know, everybody went nuts, and we
were asking him questions and stuff like that, and he's like,
just this old dude, he doesn't really know much about
the Internet or anything like that. But but that just

(27:56):
like took it to the next level. It was a
riot because now everybody had this personal connection with this
guy who had been goofing around with us the entire time.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, no, that's that's fun. Keep the anonimity. It's always
a good, good way of that.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
One, I know, right, But I mean, they drove straight through.
It was nuts, and they didn't go back to Daytona
or Charlotte or anything to like reoutfit the truck with
other stuff. And you know, every so often you would
see like another team hauler, like the At one point
the UH, the RFK haulers were kind of in the
general vicinity, so it looked like they were driving straight

(28:29):
through too, Like they weren't stopping in Charlotte to put
new cars on that they were going straight to the track.
My guess is if they needed any spares or anything,
they sent a second truck, you know, up from Charlotte
to drop off the spares.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's one of those games. You don't
want to see how the sausage are made either.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, I guess not, but I mean, yeah, it was
a riot and it was a hell of a lot
more fun than watching the race was for me. At least.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
There you go. That's all that matters, the the other things,
the little things to keep you going through a day.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, so thanks Ellie Sadler for letting us ride along
in his hauler all the way across the country.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Was great. Hell yeah, thirty eight let's go.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
So NASCAR standings. William Byron hangs on to a fourteen
point lead over Chase Elliott, who's pretty good in this race.
So I think you finished third in this race. Kyle
Larson is third in the standings. He's forty four out.
Tyler Redick moves up to fourth, he's fifty three back,
and then Denny Hamlin drops down to fifth, he's down
by sixty two. The rest of the top ten is

(29:26):
lots of b's and seas again, Bell, Blaney, Briscoe, Chestain
and Busher moves into the top ten, where Bowman drops
out at the bottom of the top sixteen. Three drivers
outside the top sixteen have a win, including Sveg and
I don't have the standings in front of me, but
I'm ninety percent certain he's like twenty seventh in the
standings right now despite three wins. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Uh he is twenty six there you go, Yep, it's nuts.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
And so he's outside the top ten. Josh Barr he's
outside the top ten, and Chase Briscoe, Austins Indrix the
other one outside the top ten. Yeah, So that means
that the cut line remains at thirteenth, which is still
Bubba Wallace. He's only up by three points on Ryan

(30:16):
Priest though, and then he trails Alex Bowman by twenty nine,
so we still have an interesting points battle happening there
with six races to go, and of course, with SFG
winning his third race of the season, think about that
for a second. We still have twelve winners in the
first twenty races, So.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Only two stage wins for SFGI, would you say, only
two stage wins for SFG.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know in both of those races,
in both the street course and in Sonoma, you know,
they were playing for the win from the get gost,
so they would come in at the end of those
stages and back them up so they could be back
up the front after the pit stops, and so yeah,
that makes it hard for him to really maximize his
advantage at those tracks, because not only was he missing

(31:02):
out on the stage point, but he was missing out
on what would have been ten points per stage as well,
which probably would have moved him up quite a bit
in the standings, not up to sixteenth or anything like that,
but at least up into like the same area as
like somebody like Josh Berry, you know, twenty two to
twenty fifth somewhere around there.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it should be interesting as we
get down to the nitty gritty here, Well, we got
we got the six.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
To go, six to six to go, and keep in
mind that there is another road course before we get
to the playoffs, so SVG could conceivably have more wins
than anybody else by the time yeah, the playoffs offs,
and he could have twenty playoff points going in. Plus
you said he had a stage win, one stage win,

(31:48):
two stage win, so that would give him twenty two
playoff points heading in if he can win at Walkins Glenn.
I would not assume though, that he is going to
win at Walkins Glenn, even though if if I pick first,
I'm gonna pick him because the Glenn, unlike all of
the other road courses that we've been to, the Glen
really race is a bit more like an oval. It's faster,

(32:10):
it's got less turns, and less turns means less breaking
you know, advan opportunities, which means less of an advantage
for for Sfiji. So I don't know if he's gonna
win or not, but boy would be fun if he did.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Absolutely I think I think that'd be all a good time.
But I think top five even in Exfinity for his
addings at the glenns is.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
That what he did, okay, So so he definitely knows
the track, so yeah, he it's it could be close,
Like yeah, I think I think he'll have a stiffer
challenge from the rest of the field.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I think he'll have a ton because I mean that
we're we're getting to that that would be the third
to third to cut race.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah, it would be.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Guys are going to definitely be in like panic mode,
like I gotta go out there and win.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah. Yeah, they're gonna be a lot more a lot
more aggressive than they have been in the past.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, and now I'm looking at a sex offend of
these stats. Very similar idea where at PR which it
was first some anybody saw that track, he kicked their ass, Sonoma,
he wins, street Course he wins. Then he gets to
the GLEM, which races, like I said, a little bit
more like an oval, and then he's fifth instead of winning.
So it's not a guarantee that he's gonna win, although
they're at this point is a very good possibility. We'll

(33:21):
have to say, all right, let's dive into some news
because we've got not one, but two lawsuits to talk about,
and I don't even have the latest we're gonna talk
about the latest tier in the twenty three eleven Front
Remoter Sports lawsuit. So the last thing earlier in the
week or at the beginning of the week that twenty

(33:42):
three eleven n FRM did is they filed for another injunction,
and the reason for that is because we talked about
this last week or the week before Sonoma. Based on
the judges ruling, Sonoma would be the last race that
those teams would be able to race his charter teams
because the injunction was revoked. So Denny and Michael Jordan

(34:05):
and company filed two more emotions, one for to reinstate
the injunction, with the idea being that there that they
could potentially lose their one and more of their drivers
or one and more their sponsors, and so it would
cause irreparable harm. And the second thing that they asked
for was a restraining order on NASCAR to prevent them

(34:28):
from selling those charters out from under them. And they
said they had some sort of evidence that suggested that
NASCAR was planning on either redistributing or selling those charters
out from under them, so they wouldn't be there if
they potentially won the case. But that that was on Monday,
I think yes, But then today, just today, and I'm

(34:52):
reading Bob Pocras right now, but just today the injunction
request was denied, and I'm assuming probably also the a
restraining order because NASCAR said coming in like their response
to that was, we're not intending to sell these charters
until the lawsuit is figured out. And so I mean

(35:15):
there's a lot of room there for the judge to
not issue a restraining order because if NASCAR goes back
on their word, then not only would twenty three eleven
an FRM be able to like fileow an emergency petition
for an injunction again and say now we do have
proof that they're trying to sell it, but the judge

(35:38):
would be pissed off. And keep that in mind because
that idea is going to come back in a minute
here with another lawsuit. So I can see where the
judge makes this claim, and I can be I mean,
we were talking about it before we went on the air,
and you were like, you know, NASCAR's One of NASCAR's
claims is that because twenty three eleven in or I'm

(36:00):
never signed a charter agreement, the charters don't belong to
them to begin with, like why should they have them?
And there is some validity in that, Like if I
go into if I go into like a store and
I think, you know, you know, something on the shelf
is too expensive, right, I don't think it's a good

(36:21):
deal for me, but that's the only place I can
get it, right, I can't. I can't get that that
thing Like I go go into a car dealership, I
can't get that you know that forwarded any other dealership.
I got to go to a Ford dealership to get it.
And I think that they're giving me a shitty deal.
You know. I can't just go sue them and be
like until we figure it out, Can I keep driving
the you know? Can I drive the car? Because you know,

(36:43):
the dealer could be like, well, you didn't buy the car,
and I'll be like, you know, but I'm going to
buy the car after I prove that you're charging too
much for it and you force you the lower the price.
But I haven't bought the car, right So I kind
of get that argument a little bit that since they
didn't sign the paperwork, then the charter doesn't really belong
to them right now, that agin.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
With it's Schrodinger's charter. It exists, and it doesn't exist.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, it's really charter.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
The the interesting part on this and and one of
the judge the judges said today he didn't believe that
the tea and this seems to circle around Tyler Redick.
The judge says it didn't. He didn't bind that they
could lose to twenty three eleven could lose Tyler Reddick
as a result of losing their charter status for Dover
because they didn't leave already. With the quote being well,
plaintiff drivers could have realistically terminated their contracts with plaintiffs

(37:31):
and or in loured away by other teams. That prospect,
although theoretically still conceivable, appears unlikely at this late stage
of the season, and plaintiffs have not offered evidence that
any driver are intending to do so in the next
two weeks.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Where where we're at now is a situation where now
do you kill Tyler Redick? Now do you? Does he walk?
So this can be out there and NASCAR looks bad
because it seems that that's the only choice twenty three
eleven has at this point. Yeah, I mean sponsors leave,

(38:08):
drivers leave, they have to shut her down.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, and I'm looking right now, And of course Bubble
Wallace is thirteenth in the standings. Where is rd fifth?
So really I think what we're what we're looking at
here is sorry Riley Herps you're gonna take one for
the team here.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, but that's see the Riley Herps is the monster dealing.
I don't think they're gonna take a monster driver and
then put them with another Monster driver.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
But but what they have to do is they have
to tell Riley Herps that what you need to do
is threaten to leave and then sit out for a
week because who cares you're in the thirty fifth.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Right, or find a way to barter a backroom deal
so you don't have sponsors for the next two weeks.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, tell monsters they can take a cuple
weeks off race the car just plain white with words
on it saying NASCAR screwed us. Yeah, then maybe they
could go back. But yeah, somebody is gonna have to
take one for the team.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah, because I mean, I understand the rule. And again,
for if I were a judge, any rational judge would say,
all right, you guys aren't in trouble of doing it,
We're gonna strip your charter. That said, why do we
have charters if no one is threatening to miss the race? Yeah,
Like that would be My question in NASCAR is if

(39:31):
you have these charters and guarantees a spot. Well, there's
not enough people to fill out the field, so everyone
gets a spot. What's the point?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
What is the point?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
There is no point, There's none point, none point.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
The only time there's a point is like at Daytona
and like two other races a year when when forty
cars and how often the more than forty cars show up?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
We had we had this what was it the Chicago race? Yeah,
was the first race since uh like probably a year
and a half when someone went home and it and
it's just it's one of those things where it's just like,
if you're a judge, you look at NASCAR, just like
why do you have these if everyone makes the race?

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Well? And and really it comes down to the money,
right because NASCAR pays the team's more money, and then
then the teams can sell those charters to somebody else.
They they literally have created their own monetary system out
of thin air, is what they've done.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
They've created their own crypto.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's their own bitcoin, it really is. And
and they can just pull the rug on anybody they want.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Which I'm sure we're gonna see here in a couple
of weeks. But yeah, I mean I understand the judge's ruling,
because yeah, if they're not in direct dismay, there's no
reason to file a restraining owner you're going to get
into dover. Is the money gonna be a less Yes?
Does that suck? Yeah, But I mean but that's it.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's the course they chose.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yeah, that's that. This is how you played it. This
is how it played out, and this is how you
just have to play by the rules that you set yourself.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that it has I mean,
this has been the prominent battle between NASCAR and twenty
three eleven and FRM. I don't think it really has
too much bearing at all on the case itself, on
the actual case, but it does show that largely what
this is a battle over is money. Is really all

(41:26):
it is.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Yeah, it's just about the monies. Yeah, all about the monies.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
So, I mean, Dnny did mention it when he mentioned
it on the show, but he does a show I
think on Monday. Yeah, and so it was only about
what they were going to file and why they were
going to file it. And then the guy who's on
the show with him asked me, he was like, well,
you know, if you can't have the charters, what's going
to happen to the team, And he was like, Dan
was like, no, no, we made a commitment to run
the team. We're going to run the team. He probably

(41:52):
should be saying that if he's going in the court
two days later and arguing, you know that his drivers
could leave and he might have to shut that on
his team like that, those statements don't match up with
one another. And it's not like it's not like NASCAR
couldn't use that and say, well he said this in public.
You know that that.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
He's like, you can run the team, but it doesn't
necessarily say who the team is going to be true,
that's true. That is very shame. I mean, it seems
it seems that the politics and from the start it
was just like sponsors will leave, therefore drivers will leave.
So that that is a key point. So if Reddick leaves,
the sponsor leaves, and then Rehdick leaves because of that,

(42:33):
you know how that turmoil and how that snowballs down
the hill who knows, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
And and I actually think it might help the case
of twenty three eleven n FRM if they run his
open teams because like in this one note here, it
says that the open teams earn less than a third
of the money then they would if they were a
chartered team, And so that's NASCAR gatekeeping. Like like Catherine Lake,

(42:59):
for instance, she's for some strange reason only two three
one one two three spots lowering the standings and Riley herbs,
but that's just because outside of the full time drivers, like,
hardly any buddy is actually her points. But so Catherine
like shows up, she is not like, she's not part
of a charter team. So whatever they earn, it's gonna

(43:20):
be a third of what she would earn if she
had a if she had a chartered car, and so
but but but there's nothing different between what that team
did to prepare the car and what she does when
she gets into the car, except that she doesn't do
it very well. Right, But it's the same thing, Like

(43:42):
with Tyler Reddick, who's fifth in the standings, like he is,
he was making charter mineing up until now, his team
was making charter money up until now. He will show
up and dover and the car will be prepared the
same way. The team will spend the same amount of
time and money and effort putting it on the track
and he will do the exact same job that he
did last week in at Sonoma and in the week

(44:02):
before that and the week before that and the week
before that. But NASCAR is like, yeah, but what you're
doing is now only worth one third of what it
could be. And that really feels like manipulation. It feels
like gatekeeping. Like if we all went to work and
everybody is doing the same job as us, but we're
only getting getting paid one third, and we're like why,
and they're just like, well, because because we decided that,

(44:24):
because we set the rules that way. And it's like,
but I'm not doing anything different, I'm not working any
less hard, but you're paying me less for why. I mean,
I think that's a very good argument that they could
take to a judge and make that NASCAR is manipulating
who is able to compete and who's not able to
compete by rewarding certain people just for being certain people

(44:46):
and penalizing other people for just being other people.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
You know, And that's why he started drivers Union.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, Yeah, that's why. Yeah, if they would have done
this right, they wouldn't have this bullshit going on.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Exactly, good job, RTA way to go.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I know, right, so yeah, so I you know,
while it hurts them this year, I don't know that
it hurts their court case at all that they're going
to run a snopen team, it might help.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
I think it strengthens them a bit if they get
if they get you know, some of these fringe teams
to kind of divulge their financials, I think is the
is the thing there? Yeah, yeah, and then because then
you can be like, well why are But it also
that that goes to the contingency bonus thing. Back in
the in the two thousands, it's like well, yeah, like
the winner of the race made forty seven thousand, but

(45:31):
Dale Junior made seventy one because he's got more sponsors.
And it's like, well we got more sponsors, but we're
still making It's a it's a boondoggle, as some people
would say. Don't know who would say that, but some people.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
But you know, when I guess when they created the
charter system, it was a good way to keep the
starting park teams from continuing the starting park.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Because you don't have that anymore.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
But but but they eliminated they solve the problem right
away because they couldn't just get you know, because now
they only be getting a third of what they got
before for starting park. So the idea there, I suppose,
was to just reward the serious teams for being serious.
But then it creates this this mechanism by which NASCAR
could ruin a team that is serious about it. They

(46:19):
can ruin them financially by just saying, oh, no, you
you get cut out of the system. You either sign
this paper and do exactly what we say, or we're
gonna make sure that financially you're unable to compete. I
don't know, it's a pretty good argument to make, and
now they'll be able to make it because they are
only getting a third.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, and then you know, Tyler Reddick goes in and
run runs the lap parks it lea and just like
I quit going to another team you guys later that.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Would be a rupperable harm at that point then, But
then we move from that to another episode of small
team drama and another legal update, uh the legacy Rickware
Racing lawsuit. And this is like so hard to freaking follow, dude,
it is getting so weird. Okay, So we talked last

(47:08):
week or the week before about the fact that TJ
Pusher is reportedly buying Rickware Racing. He's made an offer
to buy Rickware Racing. But what we didn't know when
we found out in the legal proceedings this week in
that suit, is that we knew that he was working
for a company that would like broker charter deals for people.
He was actually hired by Legacy to be the consultant

(47:31):
for this particular charter deal. So he put together the
deal that's in court and then turned around and offered
to buy the team after it all went into a lawsuit.
On top of that, then what Legacy did is they
stormed into court and they're like, this is bullshit. They
can't sell the team because to sell the team the Pusher,

(47:55):
then that means it would also be selling the charters
to him as well. And they were like, they're like,
we have a signed contract with Rickware Racing and Rickware
to sell us a charter, so they can't sell all
their charters to TJ. Pusher because we've got a contract.
Ours comes first, right, And the judge is like, oh, yeah,

(48:16):
you're you're kind of right about that. And then on
top of that, in the proceedings leading up to this point,
the judge had specifically asked Rickware Racing what their intention was.
They didn't talk about selling the team at all, and
they clearly told the judge that they had no plans
to try to sell either of the charters that they
have right now while the case was going on. And

(48:39):
then they turned around and agreed to sell the team,
which would sell the charters. So going back to what
I referenced in the last case, the judge was pissed
and he was like, no, no, no, everybody, stop what
you're doing Rickware Racing. He said to the lawyers, you
got to get your people in here. They need to
tell me what the hell is going on, and then
we'll decide from there what the court is going to

(48:59):
allow to happen while this is still a lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah. No, this is a situation where when they said
they're not going to sell the team, they had their
fingers crossed behind their back, so legally they could be
abstained exactly. But I mean, man, it's just it's just
the first off, what made you think that was a
good idea, rick Ware. I mean, there are several several
things that are questionable about your business dealings. This just

(49:23):
takes the cake, though.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I know so when you so, it's basically this weird
love triangle, right. You got Legacy, you got Rickware, and
you got TJ.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Pusher.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
The fact that Pusher made the deal then looped around
behind once the lawsuit started and said, I will buy
the team. I don't know, like what shady thing is
going on here, but it just screams to me that
there's something shady going on. I don't know if if
Pusher is the start of the shade, is the one
driving the shady stuff, If rick Ware is, I don't

(49:55):
know who is, but somebody in here when this all started,
I feel like had the intented do something shady. I
just don't know who or exactly what their endgame was
or is.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I want to say Busher just because he's he's he
just jumps in here, out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Yeah. Yeah, it is so strange.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah. And because he got all the financials and he
broke at it, so he understands what the lot was
and understands the value of everything.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
You're right, he could he definitely could have used that
access that he had to understand what financial position the
team was in and whether they would be whether whether
they would feel like they had no choice but to
maybe make a sale, especially if one of their chargers
then gets tied up in a lawsuit that they don't
want to have to pay for.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
And the gate that make that kind of batshit thing
is like it's seventy five million dollars now.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I know, right, yeah, and then make those wild claims yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I don't know where this is going to go next,
but I can't imagine that the judge is going to
allow the sale of the team while this court, while
one of those charters is tied up in a lawsuit.
And on top of that that the person who is
actively try the team has already made it very clear

(51:02):
that he wants to keep both charters because in his
mind they're gonna be worth seventy five million dollars, like
they're like a the WNBA team or something.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Like that, right exactly. It's it's a wid this it
gets wilder. I mean, obviously this has taken. This has
taken the victory for a small ten year We don't
even have to worry about the award show. I know, right,
that's taken it and.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
We don't even know how it's gonna end up. But
it's not gonna get less weird as things go along.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
No, it could be a two year winner. Who's to say.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Yeah, it's definitely gonna gonna get stranger before before they
get to a resolution there.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
So after a Sonoma, we got our final four for
the un Seasoned.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Challenge that's still going on.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Speaking of small team drama, Oh my gosh, here are
our pairings. This is the final four. One of these
four people is gonna win the whole thing, and it's
gonna win a million dollars. On one side, we've got
Ty Dylan. He is still fucking in it, Ty Dylan

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versus John Hunter Nimachek. On the other side, we've got
Tyler Redick versus Ty Gibbs. So the only thing, the
only thing that we can be absolutely certain of here
is that somebody named Tie is going to be in
the final Yes, because and there is a seventy five

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percent chance that it could be Tie versus.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Tie Tie on tie violence.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
It can be, it could be. It could be. It
could be Tie as in Tie, or it can be
Tie as in Tyler just shortened. But I mean, John
Hunter Nimachek is definitely feeling like he's not one of
the others right now.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Yeah, he is, he is. He is the long shot
right now.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
But of these guys, like who effing cares? Like the
only driver that has any kind of like real following
would be Tyler Reddick. And I don't even know if
his is that strong or not. So you've got the
fifth place driver in the standings, he's going up against
the nineteenth place driver in the standings, and then John
Hunterimchek is twentieth and ty Dylan is thirty second in

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the standings.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Again, I ask, who is this four amazing?

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Oh my gosh, this is crazy. Yeah. None, none of
the drivers in the None of the drivers in the
final four have double digit top tens on the year.
None of them, not even Tyler Redick has double digit
top tens.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Man, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
None of them have. None of them won a race.
Who is It doesn't even make sense, man, it doesn't.
In fact, ty Dyllan only has one top ten the
whole year. How did he even get to this having point? How?
Yeah one hundred name check has six, ty Gibbs has five,
and Tyler Reddick has eight. Like literally, they even they

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even picked the worst person in the top ten to
be to be one of the final four and then
the other guys like nobody gives a crap about.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
This is for nobody and just ended after this year.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
I mean personally, I'm just pissed the cool Custer and
Riley herpstarring in this. But what are you getting?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Well? You know, m mcke hey a tied, tied, Dylan's
still at number thirty two. God bless yea God bless.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
So one of those two of those guys are gonna
be going head to head once we get to uh,
where are we even going after this? I don't even know.
Uh this one Indianapolis, that's right, Yeah, Indianapolis, Right, So
there you are. But on an up note, the hell dude,

(54:53):
I mean Dale Junior two times, two times he decides
that he's gonna be a crew chief, and now he
has two wins, like he's literally his winning percentage is
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Can't he can't keep getting away with this?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I know I would. I would wager guess here that
in the history of NASCAR, nobody with more than one
race as a crew chief has a winning percentage of.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
No. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I mean, I I don't know that for certain, but
I'm guessing that.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I would I would say it's it's a pretty good bet.
Like if you put money on it's a pretty good
bet that that. Then no one else has that kind
of record. Yeah, good for him, I mean good for
good for him to go out there. It's a difficult race,
and I mean he had SVG on the bumper, but
they were both running for the same team, and you
don't want to piss off the Boston rec two cards,
so exactly.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
But but the flip side of this man, Connor Zilich
beat Sveg at Sonoma. That's pretty freaking impressive.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Very huge. I mean, good for the good for the
young kid. I mean, that's a good, good experience to
have a road racer like that, uh, you know, on
your back and then you know you kind of hold
him off there. So it's it's a good it's a
good experience. Is good for the old mental game.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, Zilich with three wins this year so far, and
where are they al? So we won in oh, circuity
the Americas, So go to the world Course Martinsville though,
oh wait no, these are starts. He won, Yeah, Circuity Americas,
he won it Pocono and then he wins to Sonoma.
So that's a pretty good sampling of tracks right there.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, it's good. It's a good mix, definitely a good mix.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
The kid is the hype train is gonna start following
this kid everywhere he goes sooner rather than later, And
I hope it doesn't screw things.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Up, right, hope. For the love of God.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I know, because we've seen it so many times. Somebody
you know has a little success in the next series,
hype starts follow him and then they just fall apart
as they move up. Because he's still young enough that
like he could legit like be a big deal. Now
do you think that, because up until this point, Dale
and Her Junior has been like, charters are too expensive,

(56:55):
this system is stupid. I'm not gonna buy in, like
I shouldn't have to buy in. I learn her Junior
and he might be right there. But if you have
a talent on the level of Connor Zillich, and he
continues to reinforce as he runs the rest of the
season that he is that good, then do you think

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that there's a chance, even an outside chance, that maybe
Dale and Her Junior maybe doesn't go out and buy
a charter but buys into a team to have his
name on the team, so he can bring up Connor
Zillich and be responsible for his career.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
No, because Conner' village has taken danies ware as a spot.
Oh you think so, well he's a trackhouse driver. Oh okay,
Well I mean yes.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Yeah, well okay, so Pitt Bull is gone. So what
about Dale Junior getting in on that?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Hey? You know what, that wouldn't be a terrible idea.
But again, I don't know how much I mean how
much Dale wants to deal with that mess. I mean,
we'd look at the mess. It's already with two with
smaller teams and then NASCAR against bigger teams, Like, yeah,
does he want that drama or is he find the
way he is? I think he's find the way he
is with his Exfinity series dominating the way it dominates

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and turning out talent like it.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
That's good, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Unfortunate. I mean, I think a lot of people want
the Junior Motorsports up up to the Cup Series. But
I think right now, especially given the fact that he's
been doing well on the Amazon and TNT broadcast, I
think that that kind of pays his lifestyle is good
for him.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, it's easier to make money when you're not running
a Cup team.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Exactly. Just make your money that justin Elgeyer, get you
another championship and away you.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Go, exactly. And speaking of track House, they hired a dude.
They hired somebody named Todd Meredith to be their new
president of racing operations. Apparently he had been running things
behind the scenes for Gibbs Racing from nineteen ninety two
all the way up until twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
That's the run.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
So yeah, I mean, you want to talk about somebody
with some freaking experience and success. There you go.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Pretty good run, pretty good run for that turn that
team right there.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
So we just got done with Chicago Street Course, and
of course the future of that race is up in
the air. Chicago is interested in continuing it, but they
don't want it on July fourth weekend. NASCAR might not
be down with that, and that has spurred on talk
from insiders that NASCAR is apparently considering going back to

(59:17):
Joliet and racing at Chicago Land next year, especially considering
that everybody's hyped over the mile and a half's right
now in NASCAR, you know, what they do. They always
follow the hype train and then stay on it too long.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, yeah, you got to keep on that hype train.
But I mean it keeps you in the in the
Chicago Land area, I guess, and maybe gets people to
go out to Joliet. It's far enough away that you know,
it's far enough, but close enough you can still use
Chicago Land as a backdrop. I don't know how the
Worldwide Technology or Gateway thinks about that, considering that now

(59:49):
we can't use Chicago now, but you know, what can
you do? But I mean it's it's a good I mean,
if you're gonna get onto it. Chicago Land very often
times a Kevin Harvey dominated track. Who knows what these
new cars, what the hell it could bring in, what
future he could bring in. But again, a major market
the NASCAR probably wants to see filled and if with

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the uncertainty of the street course race, then who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, I think the hype from Kansas last year really
is fueling this. And it all comes down to how
important is that market for NASCAR. Because we've talked about
the financials before, they would have to renovate the track,
and according to Sports Business Journal, that renovation would run
at least millions, if not into the over ten million

(01:00:35):
dollar range to get that track up to spec for
like what you see in Vegas and all the other
places that have renovated, And that's a lot of money.
And for you know, ten twelve million dollars, NASCAR could
probably put on a street course race in two different
places over two years, and of course the hype surrounding
that would get more people in and so they wouldn't

(01:00:58):
be losing. They'd probably have to lay out you know,
four to six million to put on the race, but
they wouldn't be losing a ton of money on it.
They probably lose some, but let's say that in the
end they lost one to two million, Well then you've
got five years of that before you even get to
the level of the ten million they'd have to put
into Chicagoland to get it up to spec. And I
think that's really where NASCAR's head is right now, is financially,

(01:01:20):
what makes the most sense staying in one place, like
like dumping all this money into one track, or using
that money to race in multiple different places over multiple
different years, where you might catch lightning in a bottle. Again,
you know, and I don't. I don't know what they'll decide.
Like I said, it all comes down to how important
is that market for them and do they think they'll
be able to fill the stands.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
And then just wait for all the club to come around.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
There was one person in the chat where we're watching
the truck go cross country that was like, man, I
really hope that NASCAR finishes. You know, they called it
California Speedway, and I'm like, dude, there's no chance.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
It's not it's not coming bad news for your chance.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
It's not coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Sorry, man, But they could become back to the southern
California market. Wilson, that's right, San Diego. According to Racer,
a deal has been reached okay for next Car to
go to so Cal for the next year and an
announcement of the event in San Diego.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Yeah, And so that goes back to what we're just
talking about here, Like if they're gonna plunk a couple
million bucks, like maybe four to six million dollars into
putting this race on in San Diego and then they
make like four million off of it, five million off
off it's only lose it like a million bucks. Then
where is the incentive because that's got to go somewhere, right,

(01:02:39):
So it probably lands on the schedule the same weekend
that Chicago Land did. So now you have to if
you're gonna bring Chicago Land back where you're gonna put
it like, you have to bump another track. And I
don't think the financials work out. I think it's at
this point going to be one or the other. I
don't think, oh yeah, I don't think that reports right
that Chicagoland will come back next year, because if they

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get a street course, they're gonna go to the street course,
and maybe over that time they start to renovate Chicago
Land in hopes of running it like two years three
years from now. But I don't see them continuing to
run a street course and then making room on the
schedule to spend a lot of money to get Chicago
Land back into shape so they can race on it.
I think it's gonna be, you know, all in on

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one or all in on the other. And it sounds
like right now it's just all in on street courses.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Street courses until they die. Maybe Cornado is the Coronado Island.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Interesting that that actually, I mean, I don't think it's
the right part of the country. Like, I don't think
anybody there cares, but that is an interesting idea of
putting a race like on the coastline there along the
bay in Coronado.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, it'd be a nice scenic views, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, it'd be beautiful views.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
My gosh, huh j as well?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
So they are. So there would be some fun weekends
before and afterwards. Wow, okay, so I guess we'll see
what happens there. Not this weekend, but next weekend they
had the Indianapolis and Catherine Legg coming back. But you
don't get her in one race, Oh you get her

(01:04:14):
in two?

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Hey, how about that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah, she's gonna do the double. And by the double,
I just mean the Exfinity race and the Cup race.
Let me see if I can find her stats here,
because there was somebody I saw some article somewhere and
I think this was like a like kind of a
BS like just clickbait article. Oh wait, hang, let me

(01:04:38):
tell you who it is, because it came up here
when I searched. Oh oh, it's beyond the flag that
was that was saying this. So they were like in
their article, but they were suggesting let me look at
where she's raced this year so far in the Cup Series,
So in the Cup SERI. Yeah, see this argument is

(01:05:02):
just it's clickbait. It doesn't hold water man. Well maybe,
all right, you tell me what you think. So in
their article, the gist of their article, and I admittedly
did not read the whole thing, the gist of their
article is that Catherine Legg in the Cup Series, has
run one oval at Phoenix, right, She's run four races.

(01:05:24):
The other three races were Mexico City, Chicago Street Course
in Sonoma, so they were world course races. And they're like,
wait a minute, they're allowing her to drive at this
giant high speed oval in Indianapolis when she only has
raced one Cup Series race ever before on an oval
and it was, you know, a shorter track, much shorter track,

(01:05:45):
much slower track. And she ran into problems there because
she didn't know how to race the oval tracks and
she caused a couple of caution flags. But they're saying
at the same time they wouldn't let Mike Wallace come
and run the Daytona five hundred because they were like, no,
it's been too long, you don't have any experience, you
shouldn't be on the track like this, And so they're

(01:06:06):
drawing in equivalency there, and they're like, if they don't
let Mike Wallace drive at Daytona, why are they letting
Catherine leg drive at Indianapolis?

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
All right, go, all right, Let's go back to where
she's raced so far.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
She's raced at Phoenix, finished thirtieth, but notably had some
big issues in that race where she caused.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Right, a couple of curious sure, okay, and then the
other three okay. She's run Talladega, and we questioned that
too in the Xfinity Series.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
And that's the thing is when you look at the
X series she has she's run where's this one. She's
run Rockingham, She's run Talladega, Texas, which is a high
speed oval, Charlotte which is a high speed oval, Atlanta
which is a high speed oval. So she's run this year,
she's run multiple races at high speed oval tracks. You know.

(01:06:57):
On top of that, the situation for me, again, I'm
not really defending because I it's again with the things
in that happened in Phoenix. That was fifty percent her fault,
but that's fifty percent the team's fault, like they did
not prepare her properly on how to race once she
got lapped down and she thought she needed to stay
out of the way and not cause any problems, and

(01:07:17):
by doing that, she caused problems and she was in
the way right, and so that is as much the
team's fault as it is her fault. But the other
thing here is that Mike Wallace just hadn't run anything
in for freaking ever where at least Catherine Legg ran
a bunch of races, Like I mean, just last year
she was running she was running an ACCURANU SEX in

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the twenty four hours of Daytona, and then up til
last year she was racing an IMSA And so she
it's not like she just decided out of the blue, Oh,
I've been retired for ten years, I'm going to come
back and try and run at Daytona the first time
she's been racing. And so it's not like she doesn't
have racing experience, and she's already got out in some
experience like you said in the Xfinity series. So I

(01:08:03):
think this is a much different situation than the Mike
Wallace thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, No, I think it's night and day because I
mean you could if you're using that logic, why did
the SVG run the way he ran? Yeah, cool season
like he and he's you know, he's run supercars but
not much else. He hadn't run the high speed tracks
until some last season and all of them this season.
So I don't get that argument. I think it's just
again time and experience. It's it's it's that's a nothing burger.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah, I mean, it had been a decade, an entire
decade since Mike Wallace had run a run a car
in the Cup Series. He was thirty six in Daytona
and then failed to make the next two races and
that was it. That was for Premium Motorsports, and then
it had been five full years since he had run
in the X Series. He raced three races for JD Motorsports.

(01:08:51):
That was the Indie road Course, it was through Road America,
and then then he did run Daytona and he finished
twenty fifth there. But it's some in five years since
he had done anything at like an international competition style
level or a national competition style level. And like I

(01:09:11):
just said, Catherine leg last year was running IMSA and
she was running the twenty four hours a Daytona and
so it wasn't like she wasn't racing, wasn't racing, wasn't
racing and decided she just wanted to show up at
Daytona and race one day right exactly, and was like
sixty five years old or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Mike Wallace is mm hmm how old. Yeah, he's right
up there. Yeah, anyway, So.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
I think that that's kind of a click baby title
sixty six. I was off by a year only crap. Yeah, yeah,
that makes a difference, dude, It makes a difference. Oh
yeah for sure. Ummmm okay, I'm down to sponsor news now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
The only thing back circling back to the schedule, Mexico
City and Chicago Street Race could be the ones that
are stripped, oh making away for Cornado and the Oval
at Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Okay, Wow, so weird because they got all that pop
over Mexico City and then they're like, Nope, administration says
we can't go there anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
So the commissioner of coffee, mister Steve Phelps ye went
to puck News. What is that talking about? I don't know.
They have a thing called commissioners and cars getting coffee
Oh my, where Josh John Oran, who used to work
at Sports Business Journal, goes over and talks to They

(01:10:34):
talk to Steve Phelps. I guess doing doing whatever. Getting
coffee apparently is in the title really stealing. Jerry seinfeldt
a bit, but he states, I don't think NASCAR competes
with F one and IndyCar. The F one crossover is
really only six percent. Indy Car is probably in the
mid twenty percent range your different brands. F one is
all about restricted access. Ours is about accessibility what.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
What I mean? Maybe he means like financially, but I
don't even know if that's the case either, because well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Their hats aren't one hundred dollars right, right, exactly like that,
Like the gear isn't that much. But at the same time,
it's one of those things where it's just like, I mean,
if fans can get on the track a little bit
easier too, I guess. And that's not right, Yeah either,
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yeah, no, I don't need I don't agree with that
at all. Yeah, that they would allow like fans to
like literally walk through a hot pit like you can
buy a hot pit pass, and that's insane to me,
especially especially us having been two tracks as media before,
and it depends on the track and the person you're
asking whether as media you can get a hot or

(01:11:49):
cold pass. Like we never had a problem in Dover
getting a hot pass. They gave us a hot pass
when we went to New Hampshire. But I never ever
got a hot pass going to Pocono ever. And I
wasn't there representing an online outlet at that point. Every
time I went to Poconoa's media I was there representing
an actual not just an actual news outlet, but an

(01:12:11):
actual news outlet that was based in that area. And
I could never get a hot pass. Now, maybe if
I made a big deal about it, they would have said, yes,
I don't really care as long as I get into
the media center and get my stories. I have to
stand out on Pitt Road, but or walk around the
garage while cars are going around. But yeah, when it's
hard for the media to get a hot pass, but

(01:12:32):
some schmuck can just come up and plunk down five
hundred bucks and next thing you know, he's just walking
around the pits like half getting run over by people. No,
I don't think that's a good idea. I'll never did.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Now, let me ask you this. He's not wrong, Like
I agree that the NASCAR audience is different, or there's
not a lot of crossover with Formula one, there's not
a lot of crossover with any car. And he's saying that.
The way he's presenting that, it feels like you're saying
that is kind of like a like a matter of
fact thing. Maybe not a prideful thing, but a matter

(01:13:06):
of fact thing. But shouldn't that shouldn't that bother him?
Like shouldn't the goal to be to have more crossover?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
No? No, things, they want to monopoly, they want they want,
they want all the percent.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
No. But when I say a crossover, I mean, like,
from NASCAR's perspective, struggling to get viewers, right, why wouldn't
you want to appeal to an F one fan or
an IndyCar fan? Like, why wouldn't you want to? I mean,
I don't see that for him. For him, he sees
that it's just that's how life is. For me, I
see that as a problem, Like somebody's watching F one
likes racing, and somebody who's watching IndyCar likes racing, and

(01:13:39):
I run a racing series with NASCAR, Like, I want
to know why those people don't like my sport because
I want those people. There's only a finite number of
people who really like racing enough to go buy tickets
and to watch it on TV each week. So if
there are people out there that like racing enough to
buy tickets and watch, but they're not buying my tickets
and watching my thing, like for me, I'm like, that's

(01:14:00):
a problem, Like I need to find out how to
reach those people and bring them in. But that doesn't
sound like that was the tone of his conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
No, I mean it's under a pay well, I don't
want to sign up for that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Oh no, yeah, I wouldn't either.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
I mean, I think he's just trying to say that, hey,
we the best, We're great, we're doing everything is good.
He's the Iraqi Defense Minister communications guy. It's just like you,
we're not getting bomb It's Frank Dreven in front of
the fireworks store. You know, nothing to see here? Yeah
about your way?

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Oh and I'm sure that's that. The whole tone of
that conversation was, we don't care that we're not getting
their viewers because they're different different types of fans. But yeah,
I personally, I just think that's the that's a backwards
way of thinking about it. There might not be anything
you can do about it, right, you might not ever
be able to reach those fans. But that would that
would always bother me. Like if I were in charge

(01:14:51):
of NASCAR, that would always bother me. I would be like,
I want to have the sport. I want to have
the product on the track that all racing fans want
to come watch.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Yeah, but I mean they don't. They only care. They
only care about number one and being number one and
being on top. They don't care about they don't care
about how they get it. They don't want to cross over.
They want to be the dominant for us.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Right, I guess so interesting? What else you got to get?
Anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Nope? Good?

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Okay, all right, I have two. I have one, but
now I have two sponsor things to talk about. Number one,
Advance Auto Parts is returning. They're going to be on
the number twenty one Josh Barry car this weekend at Dover.
Also an announcement that Chef Fick Companies is going to
be sponsoring Josh Blicky and a return of the Garage
sixty six car in in Annapolis. So it's pretty cool

(01:15:41):
looking car. It's like gray and black and orange.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Okay, and look at it's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
And then there were not announcements, oh because they were
next Findy series. I was gonna say, they were not
announcements about these teams. But there are a couple of
more local sponsors at Dover, but they're in the next series.
We can talk about them when we get to the
Banscain preview.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I will say this, I'm reading more from the puck status.
Oh really again, it kind of falls back to Apple
getting the rights for F one. Oh for one hundred
and fifty million annual to F one.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
No, that's not great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
What are they They're gonna stream them or what are
they gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
I don't even They're on Apple TV. Oh okay, all
the races will be Apple TV.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
Exp Like, think about the size of the NASCAR TV contract, right,
oh yeah, And then think about the fact that Apple
got Formula one for one hundred and fifty million dollars
because it's a freaking steal.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Dude, absolutely don't make that back.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
They'll absolutely make that back. If you think about one
million people right. If you think about one million people
that like to watch F one and we've seen those numbers,
and they're a little over a million in the United States,
Apple has I'm sure Apple just has his rights. Maybe
in the United States. All they have to do is
get fifteen dollars out of each one of those people
and or sorry, one hundred and fifty dollars out of

(01:16:55):
each one of those people, and they made their money back.
And if you subscribe to Apple TV for a year,
like you made them, made your money back already.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
Yeah, essentially another gem. Regarding the twenty three eleven FRM thing,
mm hm, we're he says, we're either going to settle
or we're gonna go to court. Do I think we'd
be willing to entertain a settlement? Yeah? Today they do
not have. They have not come with anything. I don't
even know what their demands are. I don't even know

(01:17:24):
what they're suing for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
This is this is NASCAR saying that, This is Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Phelps saying that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Yeah, So, I mean I don't know what they're suing
for either. Really, I don't think anybody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Yeah, I mean, we know what they're suing for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
They're suing. They're saying, then NASCAR is a monopoly. But
there's like nobody involved has said what if twenty three
eleven n FRM win, What an amenable outcome would be,
Like nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
I think probably restructuring the deals for all the teams,
I guess. And then also, so someone floated the possibility
that I don't know if this was from the fourteenth
or whatever, but did they say that the possibility of
refunding the teams refunding the money through payouts to the
first twenty races because they aren't technically charter teams could

(01:18:18):
be in play as well, and that that could be
financially damning.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Oh yeah, that could be. That could be. Yeah, there
definitely is that. That's that's definitely a question, right because
if the judge is saying that you shouldn't have had
these to begin with, and what happens all that money?
And of course NASCAR is vindictive and they love nothing
but money, so they're going to try and get it back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Money, money, money, money.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
So Apple TV is ten bucks ten bucks a month.
I don't have Apple TV, so I had to look
it up. I didn't know. So if they get a
million people paid ten bucks a month. Right then that's
one hundred and twenty dollars a year per person. That's
on hundred and twenty million dollars. They've almost started made
their money back. And you know they're going to have
ads and product placement and stuff on that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Oh yeah, for sure, that's a good deal.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Good deal for them. They're gonna make money off that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Yeah, So Dover.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Have you ever been to Dover? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Well I went with Big Dave P like homie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yep, we all went. Yeah, we all bended over once.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
We all went together.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yep, we've bended over many times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Well I've been in once.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
I've bended over lots and lots of times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Yeah, that was you. You went over. We went Richmond.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yeah, yeah, we did Dover twice a year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
So thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, and uh so that brings us back to Dover.
Like I said, I was reminiscing as the truck was
pulling in. It was dark, but I could still make
out all the fun stuff, like on Highway thirteen there
and and all those cheesy little back roads you gotta
take to get into town. And I don't know how
many cars, how many cars we nice? Was that the

(01:19:53):
n Y racing car.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
It is there. You go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
All right, So we got the NY Racing cars back
in business, uh, which then brings us to the only
good thing on NASCAR dot Com, which have subsequently brow
and then they made good for a while and now
it's just kind of in the middle. That's decent. It's decent.
I'll say it's season. It's the it's there. It's the
Paint Skin Preview sixty one cars they have featured in
the Paint Skiing Preview across the Cup and the Xfinity Series.

(01:20:18):
Out of all sixty one, can you identify a few
that you're a fan of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
I'm gonna go with the aforementioned jj Ela with the
ultimate tailgating, good looking car man looking simple, kind of
like monochrome, yep, black with gray and the little things there.
It's great, a little little slide there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
I like the forty four. It looks like a Reggie
Jackson forty four. Oh, because it's NY Racing that parlays.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Well yeah maybe. But they were also the steak people too,
so they had the New York Stakes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Oh got you got you gotcha?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Give me the number sixty Castrol with the chess pieces.
I don't know what that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I don't know what the chess piece is about either,
but that is a cool looking car.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I don't know how that applies to Castrol at all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Don't know the use oil in the pieces. I have
no clue. Yes, I guess uh in the Uh gonna
give it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Exit up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
UH give me the number uh thirty deuce of the
events DC. That Raja Ruth hometown boy's gonna be driving.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Go yep. If you weren't going to pick that one,
I was definitely gonna pick that one. Shout out to
the city. I was born in DC. But it's got
the Washington Monument on it's got the capital on it,
Like I remember when those were fun places to go. Yeah,
I remember where when there was a positive vibe in
that town.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah, not since.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Exactly, oh man. But it also the car looks like
the DC flag. It's got the three stars on the
lower quarter panel in the back, which are.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Directly off the DC flag. So very patriotic state hood
for DC.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
By the way, I just wanted to say that out loud.
All right, So I will start in the Exfinity Series
and then move back up to the Cup Series. I've
got to go in the X series. I've got to
go with Josh Blakey the number ninety one Rita's Italian Ice. Car.
I'm looking at that right now and I'm like, I
need to go. I need an Italian ice with the

(01:22:11):
one with the whipped cream, or with with the stuff
on top, with the frozen York stuff on top of whatever.
They call it custard, the custard, thank you cold custard. Yeah,
with the cold with the cold custard on top.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
Gross exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
It's the ice on the bottom. It's got cold custer
on top. He's just yelling at people, give me out
of here. But but when I saw that car, I
was like, oh yeah, Rider's man. I remember going to
read this and then I looked it up. There is
Rita's out here. Hell yeah, there's only like four, but
one of them isn't that far away. And I'm like, oh,
I gotta go get some Rita's this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I got one half a mile away.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Though I know that's what it used to be like
living up there. Man. It was so jealous when I
saw that, and I was like, oh my gosh, there's
actually reader is I have got to go get gotta
go get the Custard, So the Riada's car in the
X Series and when move up to Cup and I
want to go with I got to pick two huh

(01:23:07):
weird M shout out fum Pops. By the way, yeah,
I think we both picked that at least one time.
Oh yeah, I'm gonna go scrolly, Scrolly, I'm gonna go
with Oh dude, dude, dude, dude, do do do do do? Man?

(01:23:29):
What the heck is going on in the Cup Series?
You guys got to get better pain schemes. Dude. Um,
I've already I already took this car once on the sixties,
so I shouldn't take it again. But I'm gonna take
it on the seventeen. Uh, the Trimble car only because
I have a family member that works for them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So so.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I have to you know, I don't want to get
in trouble with the Fams, so I'll take I'll take
the Trimble car and then give me the number thirty
five Riley Herbs tree top car. I don't understand why
juice is tree top because the juice comes from not
from the top of the tree. It's lower on the tree.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
The apples, the apples you get from trees, I guess so,
but the top trees.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
But but I like the green and kind of off
white that they've done there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
I also like the fact that there's a monster still
creeping back there. You add a monster to a tree
top gett Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Yeah you would for sure, so far farmer owned. Oh
it's owned by a farmer too, So there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
You bum boom boom boom boom boom exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
So so I'll go with that one as well. And man,
I'm so disappointed. I really, really really was looking forward
to going with the Hurts car when they announced this
thing that Hurts car just doesn't do it for me. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, no, it doesn't look that great. I'm sure it'll
look better on track, but yeah, probably, Well, but pictures
just looks dull.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
But I want to black with the yellow racing stripes. Man,
that's what I wanted out of that car.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Well, you can't always get what you on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Oh well yeah, back, okay, So, uh picks, Why why
do we keep going to road courses and I keep
not picking SPG.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Well I had the first pick. That's that's the reason
why this time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Manh Yeah, you're right about that. So yeah, so you win.
Although the Dinger was doing good and then he got
spun out and then he started to come back. I
think he finished top ten in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Eight.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Oh he finished. He got spun out late, yeah, and
I thought he made his way back, but I guess
he didn't. So I guess I means I get the
entire field to pick from, huh, including Oh my gosh,
where are we now? We're over Over? Oh my gosh.
I need to look up the stats at Dover. You
know what, I don't need to look up the stats

(01:25:38):
at Dover. Mhm, man, this is hard. I mean, on
one hand, I want to go Kyle Larson or Chase Elliott.
Jase Elliot would be a really good pick. I was
what I was gonna do is say he's pissed off,

(01:26:01):
he's gonna give it the NASCAR, and I was gonna
go with Denny Hamlin. But no, I'm going I'm going
Chase Elliott on this one. He's racing really well right now,
and he's good at Dover. I don't know how good
he is at Dover, but he's good at Dover.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
You know he's good at Dover. So I am going
to pick off on your mistakes and pick Dnny Hamlin.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Okay, yeah, you know I either one. Either one will
be good. In fact, here, let me look up their
stats real quick because they both have great stats here.
But I bet you anything that Denny Hamlin has better stats.
My computer is a tiny bit slow and this is
the fast computer. That's the crazy part about that. Plus
Racing Reference has so many freaking ads that load it's nuts. Okay,

(01:26:41):
So all right, So Chase Elliott in fourteen races. He's
won twice, but he has ten top tens. His average
start is nine point nine, his average finish is nine
point five. When you get to Denny Hamlin thirty four starts,
two wins, sixteen top tens. His average start not much different,

(01:27:03):
nine point eight, has average finished fifteen point six, probably
just because he got run into a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Sounds right, yep, ah boy there.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
But as far as winds are concerned, they are. They
are tied for second most of active drivers at Dover.
Kyle Busch has three. But nobody's picking Kyle Busch right now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
No, not at all. I bet you won that one
last week with Kinds Village finishing first, you picked him third.
I had him eighth, knowing I could have won that one. Yeah,
this this week will stick an X. Okay, Eric Amarola
driving the number nineteen. Yeah, he is back with a
lack of further ado.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Oh my gosh, Alm Morola is in the X Series
at Dover, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Man in a Gibbs car mind.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
You okay, all right, all right, that's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
He has run here. He has run with Joe Gibbs
a couple of times this year, including a win at Phoenix,
a third place in Atlanta, second in Vegas, thirteenth of Martinsville,
thirty three in Talladega, sixth in Nashville, and then qualified
for Denny Hamlin in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
That's not bad really for a part time guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Come on, and last year he had three wins in
a limited schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Wow, a part time guy who really wasn't that good
in his last couple of seasons in the Cup Series.
So Dover, Dover, Dover. Oh you mean to pick first?
You want to pick first?

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I'll go first. Considering I lost last week, pretty decent,
I'll go eleventh for Amarck Amaroma.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Based on what he's done so far this year. I'm
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Okay, that's a good spread.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
So what's that? Uh eight yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Seven spots, so three three and a half each way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
So if I would go for seven and higher.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Yeah, basically eighth, eighth or above is me? No seven,
seven yeah, seven above is me, and then seven then blows.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
You eight lower than me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
Yeah, it could be eight. I don't know one way
or the other. It's right around seventh or eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
It's seven and a half. So you get four or five, six, seven,
I get eight, nine, ten, eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Okay there, okay, there we go. So uh yeah. So
when it comes to Dover, the wise Man is picking
Demi Hamlin, very smart pick. I'm picking Chase Elliott another
very smart pick. When it comes to Eric al Moola
in the Exfinity, I've got him at fourth. You've got
them at eleventh. If you want to find out who
wins the bet or no, who wins the race, who

(01:30:06):
wins the bet, who wins the side bet, and whether
it was any good, it's Dover. It's gonna be good.
We'll talk about it next week. If you haven't subscribed
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Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Now, small picture man, all picture with the monster car
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That's it. That's all for Wilson. I want to take
care of yourself. Wait for Wilson, I'm there, we go.
I don't know the way on the script. Take care

(01:30:56):
of yourself. And someone else's been in the draft for
Wilson wants some history lessons for you here. Yeah, on
as we get to the downside of July. The Ballot
Act nineteen seventy two in the United Kingdom introduced requiring
the parliament and local government elections held by secret ballot.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Oh wow, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Eighteen seventy the first Vatican Council decrees the dogma of
people in infallibility.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Oh okay, okay, I can't do no wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Yeah, nothing happened in nineteen twenty five in terms of publishing.
So we're gonna look right through that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Oh my, oh yeah, we're definitely gonna look right through that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
The Government of Detroit this day in twenty thirteen racks
up twenty billion in debt, files for the largest municipal
bankruptcy in the US.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Three thirteen, they were twenty billion.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
In doll Holy crap, hey auto sales baby wow, um,
And that's it. Yeah, that's it everybody. We will talk
to you guys next week. Enjoy Dover. I know I
will enjoy the car ride that the NASCAR's mystery and
put down our throats until then peace.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
How would Johnson as thanks for listening to in the
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