August 14, 2025 • 52 mins
Ep. 499: ECW Announcer Joel Gertner joins Howse & Voice on the ECW Watch Along to talk about his mic skills and how he mixed his love of hip hop with it, his time as the Dudleys Manager, TNN Shoot Promo and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah, yeah, in your house with no common at your
kind of your house, house h your word of your
house upon signed in clouds, creating no kind of allouds,
wrestling in front of the crowds.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Parent got holding it, doubt anybody can. Anybody can get it.
Guys just standing on the six, he is the voice.
There is no choice. Were some choice in your house
making wrestling noise and fact. It's like cruise await action.
Your house is a perfect straction. You prop to see
you here's when you attract. You get this work with
some prestling back and spoke. What is up? Guys? What
(00:39):
is cracking is the common man? And I am in
your house. And you guys already know the bob. Anytime
we slide on through, we're gonna give you that work
when it comes to professional wrestling business. And guys, it's
is Thursday. And guys, you know what happens on a Thursday,
on a day here in your house. And guys, you
(01:03):
guys know what time it is? His time? All right?
Oh you guys hear the music? Yeah, you guys know
the vibes. That's right, that's right, it's just some subitious
It's time for the ECW watch around series here at
in your house and guys, usually when I get extreme,
I gotta get extreme with my man over here. He's
(01:23):
the christuer of the show. He is the voice and
the educator of Extreme. Josh Joseph, what is up, brother man?
I know you're excited for this one.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh, I'm super stoked for this one, not only for me,
but for.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You guys the household, the one thing.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Who said, hey, yeah, we want that guy. We want
to hear the stories that you guys can get out
of them, like you did with Sabou, like you did
with Bonzie.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
And boys, she did it on yourself. Raven.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Raven's got a documentary coming out to him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Go check it out.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Because well, what I've sticking from the trailer hits drinking fantastic.
But today is the day that we get the man
himself house I'm super stoked for this. We should get
the show going.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, we should definitely get this show going because I'll
tell you we've been watching I'm gonna keep this super short.
I'm gonna keep this story super short. But we've been
watching ECW for almost a year now. It has been great,
but we've seen a lot of consistence and one consistent,
especially with what I do as a manager and his
backstage correspondence for different promotions here in the Midwest. I
(02:30):
always notice stuff like that, and I got to tell
you I noticed this man every single time that I
saw him with the mic in his hand. And he's
here now to talk to us in the household. But
you know, I can only do so much of an introduction.
I gotta give it to my man voice, the man
behind ECW. Go ahead and bring in our guests properly.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, well, well, fans, we are about to witness somebody
who honestly made my parents and my very uncomfortable during
ECWER nights. He had a very unique way of making
everybody go well, at least at thirteen.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Go.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Can I say that at school? You try it out
and maybe the girl with the developing you know, uh,
she slapped you. And it's all because of this man.
This is the one, the man, the only This is
Joel Girt, the.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Quinn tesential stud Muffin himself is in your house. Thank
you for taking your time to talk to us.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Of course, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It is it's a vibe, man, because like I was
saying in the green room. As we've been watching all
these weekly episodes, You've been such a consistent man with
your charisma and your work on the mic. The confidence
that you that you hold. Now I know my man
voice here. Got a lot of questions, but you know,
I'm somebody. I come from a music background, a lyricist
(04:00):
as it were. And some of the stuff that you
was spinning, man, back then, yes it was vulgar, but man,
you had bars bro you was out there spinning Like
how did you get so good at the doing that?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't know? I mean, you know, I grew up
in Brooklyn in the eighties, so this is kind of
a little bit the cradle of rap, and I did.
I would go to the mall and there would be
a guy slinging bootlegs out in front of the mall,
see the day, Vague days, and he would be telling
cassette tapes too, and I would pick up like ghetto Boys,
(04:37):
and I would up deep quick and I pick up
third base and just whatever was going on, like late eighties,
early nineties. So I was kind of into the scene.
I mean, I was an early proponent as far as
the northeast of ICP, and they sent me in ninety seven.
I think when I was in ECW, they sent me
(04:59):
a nice care package, and I've been a Juggalo ever since. Here.
I was into Bloodhound Gang because Brooklyn, I was into
the Beastie Boys. I had Brass Monkey and Paul Revere
and all them, like memorized. I was into freestyle music,
so I was into like Rob Bass, so like just
just all those kind of Brooklyn national anthems, which is
(05:22):
either hip hop or about halfway there. So I kind
of always had that flavor running through my veins. But
I was just you know, I was heavy into wrestling.
I was just big into uh you know, pro wrestling.
That was just the thing I just I wanted to entertain.
I wanted to be the next Paul, the next Jim Cornette,
the next body Heenan and so I you know, I
(05:45):
didn't really go into rap or anything pop. I just
decided to just you know, whatever I was gonna do
was gonna be within wrestling. It all kind of was
a work in progress. It was all kind of just episodic.
It grew and it grew. I had a joke book
when I was a kid, and one of them was
(06:06):
how is a penis like a Rubik's cube. The more
you play with the harder it gets. Just like Rubik's cube,
the more you play with it, the harder it gets.
That's it. One line, that's it. And from there I
was doing sonnets. You know, I was going out in
Orlando doing you know, I don't know, like twenty six
(06:27):
lines about Daisy Duck and I went out there and
memorized the whole thing. And I don't know, man, it's
just you know, you talk about dropping bars. I guess
I inspired some. I mean Action Bronson. He's a real
good dude. He's a cool cat, and he he's got
me in the lyrics of one of his tracks. So
(06:50):
I don't know, man, just you know, like you said,
but is what it is, you know what I mean,
just you know a little bit. But I don't know, man.
You know, I love rap hip hop and I'm glad
that I'm glad that you kind of deduced that from
my work.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, it was a vibe. Man. I was just like, man,
this dude is so cold. Like I got it. I
got a chance to, like I said, see a lot
of your work on a weekly But when I went
back and listened to some like it was just like
a best of Joe Gerten. I was like, man, this
dude is so cold, but listen voice, I already know
all right, calm down, killer, all right, I'm about to
unleash you, all right? Do you got any questions for
(07:27):
the Quinn to Central stud muffin.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I wish I had a million dollars so I could
have a million hours of your time, sir. I got
so many questions, but I will keep them limited to
the ones I've always wanted to ask you. You before
I get into it. You were definitely somebody that I
absolutely adored in ECW. You showed me that there was
other ways to make an impact inside the promotion. The
(07:53):
way you played off Joey's styles, it was almost like
a big brother little brother situation, but we just couldn't
tell which one was the big brother at times. And
the way that you just made everybody happy, I just
I absolutely adore you and everything you did for ECW.
And you you make these watch alongs when you come
(08:14):
on there, it's something special. We all stop, we listen
and we try to hear what Joel Gertner has to
do with Jay. You always get a pop on this
show because we we just absolutely love what you contributed
to the business.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Thank you, we appreciate.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Outside of that, I have to ask you because it
seemed like you were really being pushed and like you
were becoming another staple inside E c W. And then
they interjected Cyrus the Virus. Now, I know on camera
it appeared you know, you've you played the role very well,
(08:58):
but as somebody who gets annoyed by people, it's really
seen that you really do not like this guy. And
I just always wanted to know, is that is there
any truth? Like are you was a real beef between
you and Cyrus the Virus?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
No, actually no, and actually quite the opposite respect number one.
I was a fan of his work in WWF, the
limited work that he got to show when he was
with the Truth Commission and all that, and when he
was with or the Acolytes. Everything he did there, I
(09:38):
as the Jackal, I was a fan of. So when
I saw that he was in with us, I said
to myself, this is great. This is an opportunity for
me to make sure that I'm upping my game, stepping
it up a notch, never mailing it in. That's the
same way I felt when they had us programmed against
PG thirteen and I was out there with Jamie. It
(10:00):
was the same exact thing. It was, Now I get
to put my working shoes on, and now I get
to make sure that I don't get you know, outworked,
and so yeah, So from that aspect, no, And then
also no, he actually taught me how to play cribbage,
which is I guess a lot more popular he I
think he got into the business a few years before
(10:21):
I did, and a lot of the boys kind of
in the era before the nineties, like eighties, seventy sixties,
a lot of the boys going back played this specific
card game called cribbage. I think it also culturally happens
to be more popular in Canada than it is in
the States. And I didn't know how to play it,
(10:43):
and he taught me. We played it a few times.
I housed him a few times, beginner's luck whatever. But
between him just kind of forcing me to step up
or not, you know, forcing in the sense that you know,
I'm my own worst critic and I'm a perfectionist, and
I'm always gonna force myself to step up. But between
that and us playing cribbage together, I actually had no
(11:07):
problem with it whatsoever, So that anything that you saw
out in front of on that one side of the curtain,
the performance side on camera, all of that was just work.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I love that. I absolutely love that Sabu did the
same thing. I had one opinion of him as a
child watching him grow up, and he was like, no,
that's not how it was my stage. So I love
that this is this is you doing the same thing.
Speaking of the of Sabu, one of the biggest legends
(11:38):
to ever grace ECW with his recent passing, is there
any any Sabu stories that you have that made you,
as the guy behind the camera like happy to think
about reminisce about nothing. You know, I don't need any
(11:59):
like real personal ones, but I just you seem like
you you really loved everybody on the roster and had
a special connection with everybody.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, sab I mean there's the one that Tim Sabu's book,
which I'm really kind of I'm kind of I've been
neglecting doing the audio version of which which Kenny Casanova
has agreed that I could do, so I need to
get on that. There is an audio version, but it's
(12:31):
like AI right now. So I was going to and
a real kind of narration the story from there, and
I told it at Sabu's memorial in Philly a few
weeks ago. I you know, I felt like kind of
a badge of honor, and I felt like kind of
in a sense, I had made it socially within E
c W when I there was a room party at
(12:55):
the hotel in Sabu's room, and I had been invited
to it, and this was a big deal for me,
so of course, socially one year old who's like the
baby on the roster, and I decided that I would
display my appreciation in the only way that I knew.
(13:16):
How we were on the ground floor of this kind
of motel, and there might as well have been like
poultry and chickens and farm range kind of animals outside,
because I don't know, like we were, you know, we
weren't in a city, so to speak. And and you
know it's a real party when like hour and a
(13:36):
half has gone by and nobody said a word, or
there's just this kind of cone of silence around the
whole room and everybody's just depressing, and everybody's just kind
of you know, blowing off steam, taking the edge off
not working, and everybody's like, you know, can't talk eating,
(14:00):
like can't talk partying, and so it's been like an
hour and a half since anybody said anything, and all
of a sudden, I go Babo, who hasn't said anything
in an hour and a half. He turns around and
(14:20):
he zones it right on me, and he looks at
me because he knew that that's the only place where
it could have come from, because I not to do that,
And he was like, that's turkey in the room. I
love that, that's my Sabo. That that's that's the Saboo
(14:43):
story that you know that it put hair on my
chest when it happened. Then it's the gift that keeps
on giving, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely know about that I got. I
had the privilege to work with him on his podcast
and I was his last pcer of his last two
to three shows, and over a year I developed a
friendship with him and that was like the highlight of
my life, Like that dude is phenomenal. But I would
(15:15):
like to bring in a question real quick from our discord. Yes,
our discord. We told everybody you were going to be
on here because this is something special for us, and
we wanted to make it special for our fans, so
we asked them if they wanted to bring any questions
in and we have clots here. Growing up in South Philly,
(15:38):
you would always hear your friends say he spotted a
ECW wrestler walking around. You hear stories about the hotel
that they stayed at. But it always wanted but I
always wanted to know if there was a spot all
the boys would go to drink, a strip club or
just a spot they go. And he wanted to know.
(16:02):
If you remember one of his dad's friends, Tony the
hitman Stenson, Yeah, yeah, okay, awesome.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Just saw Tony at the one and done t WA
one and Done a few weeks ago. Yeah yeah, I
left Tony. Was there a place where everybody drank? I
mean the hotel bar was usually good these room parties.
Like a lot of the time, hotel bar would start
(16:31):
going at about midnight and it would go until about
like whenever it closed, like two in the morning, and
then everybody would just find wherever the spot was, you know,
whether it was one of the boys or whether it
was you know, one of the fans, or who this
one brought beer and this one brought that and whatever,
and it would just become, you know, turned the hotel
(16:54):
basically into a frat party, you know what I mean.
But yeah, was there a place? Was there a bar,
I don't know, I mean across the street from the
Travelodge there was this I want to say, there was
a Chinese restaurant that sold like six packs near the
pros Diner. Was there a place to go drink? There
(17:17):
was a strip club that I think some of the
boys had a link with, called Cheerleaders. So there was
that found a way.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Okay, that's the answer, right there, Always find away. Oh man, No,
I love it. I love it. Listen, I enjoy it.
I enjoy what I'm hearing here our discord. They got
some great questions, but you know, I got questions too, because,
like I've got a chance to see what you're doing.
(17:54):
Big fan of your work, just just like watching what
you do. And I I, you know, I work some
indie here in my area for the last few years.
Is is you know, doing backstage stuff and then manager
and uh and and you know, commentary and stuff like that.
So I want to ask you this from a performer's perspective.
You were out there for like some of the hottest crowds.
(18:17):
What was that vibe like being able to perform in
front of some of the hottest crowds in pro wrestling
at that time.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
In anything, in anything, because it was ECW hottest in anything.
I mean, that's able level as far as energy, as
far as rest, as far as just spirit, just you know,
the hottest crowds you could hope for, whether it's thick,
whether it's wrestling, no matter what, it is the hottest
(18:46):
crowds in America period. But I mean some of the
hottest crowds in wrestling. Even at the time, it was
a blast, you know, it was uh, it became I
don't want to say we took it for granted, but
like it almost became like, I mean, we never had
a crowd that was sitting on its hands.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Ryan didn't know, you guys didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And when we were in front of five hundred people
stead of five thousand people, it was always a hot,
loud crowd. And I always loved that, you know, because
I I fed off of it. You know, you as
a performer, you know, you get energy so that you're
able to you know, be in the moment and uh
and and give back as good as you're getting, so
(19:32):
you know it's necessary and it's uh and it was
in abundance and and and of course you know, like
I say, I mean, you know, if anything, I think
we did the opposite of take it for granted. We
had you know, ECW was on a shoe string budget.
You know, there was no pyro, There was really hardly
any lighting. You know, we didn't have anything. We didn't
(19:53):
have makeup, we didn't have this, We didn't have that
when it came to the Dudley's because it was you know,
the first thing that was going to hit you was me,
and then eventually also there was Bubba. We didn't have music.
We were the one act in a music driven company
that we were sent out in silence. So you know
what I mean, Like you figure Double Time in the
nineties were getting compared to the Road Warriors in the eighties.
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Road Warriors had iron Man, you know what I mean.
We had went out there to the sound of silence,
so you know, but yeah, I mean great atmosphere. You know,
we loved the energy and and it was a blast,
you know it. But again for me, you know, on
a positive in a positive way, I had nothing to
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compare it to. It was all I knew, you know
what I mean. I couldn't be like I was in
WCW five years ago. Those were the drizzling shits. We
only had nine hundred people and none of them were
doing anything. I didn't, you know what I mean, I
only knew E CW. So you know there's that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, yeah, oh no, that makes a lot of sense
for sure. And plus like like you said, no, there
was nobody sitting on their hands during an ECW show,
and you see that throughout the entire watching it at home.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I never had the pleasure of going to one. Always
wanted to, and it would have been a dream if
I if they ever develop a time machine, I'm gonna
be on a show. I'm going to give you a
little tap on the shoulder too and tell you some things, Joel.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
But you know.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I love it. I love it you You You mentioned
the Dudley's and I would be My cousins would kick
me in the head if I didn't ask you a
Dudley question.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You seem to be held hostage for most of your Dudley.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Interaction, so uh, the way.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You played into that, I have to ask because the
very first time I can recall seeing it is the
dance with the hands, and it was with the Dudley's.
How did that come about? Were they involved in you
doing this? Did you do it backstage? Someone thought it
was a riot? What's the story with the dance?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Could have been that? So many things were that, you know,
see it backstage and the dance, I think I just
whipped it out. I think it was just, you know,
it was just you know, the power of the Dudley's
compelled me, and I just I just think it was
within me, you know what I mean. I don't think
the dance is something that needs to be too much
(22:25):
read into or analyzed. I think it was just I
think it's just so like they're so violent, you know
what I mean, like violent, and they were so aggressive,
and a lot of the stuff that I was saying
in the heel promos, whether I was talking about them
or even myself, was also kind of violent and aggressive.
(22:47):
That to bust out this dance that shows that I'm
just a chump butterball Teddy Bear, you know what I mean,
I'm like the human incarnation of ted you know what
I mean. I think I think it was just something
that kind of you know, suited the well as far
as you know, more of that kind of oil and water, Like,
(23:07):
you know, why do they hang out with him or
what is you know, what is this dude seeing them
for friendship? And like I think it was just kind
of that odd couple fish out of water, you know,
just another example of it.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean you played it well that that dance.
I still do it every once in a while when off,
you know, at work or something. I'll do that little
dance and just we have fun with it. You gave
you gave so many people a smile just for that
one little thing. And just the fact that you don't
have to read too too much into it because it
(23:42):
the dance alone up against the Dudley's makes sense in
a way, you know, that that ying and yang thing
that I absolutely love your choices with the Dudley storyline.
You did everything perfectly with them. I'm so so sorry
they treated you. I mean, they treated you way better
than anybody they have ever treated that they brought into
(24:05):
the group. Uh, but was done? Was Spike really the
most aggressive Dudley out of the whole group? I mean
he was the one who was kicked.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Out of the Spike was on acid. We didn't put
it all the way out there, like you know, full black.
But like, I guess the easter egg that you're supposed
to pick up is that his initials little Spike Dudley
or LSD and everything. So like I think that he
(24:38):
was supposed to be this, like, you know, the runt
of the litter that dropped acid one time and never
came back from the trip.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So I guess he kind of was. He was an
awesome part. It was just all I mean, it was
just a Saturday morning cartoon, except it was a Saturday
late night cartoon, you know what I mean. You know
who I like? I like Cia Hale in xt Oh. Yeah,
it's like a cartoon, you know what I mean. Like
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she's like Ainian Devil, Like she's got all this energy
and she's so funny and she's so fun to watch
and like in the same like that's how we were,
you know, Bubba and Devon and then Spike and then
me for for as you know, it was effective, it
was aggressive. We would win, we would get over, we
(25:32):
would win championships, we would be top guys, and at
the same time we were cartoons. We were just basically you're,
you know, mister Magoo, Ricochet, Rabbit, Magilla, Gorilla like at
for what we were, you know what I mean, we
were just characters and so yeah, and I think Spike
was such an important part of that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, I highly agree. Dark Chat is blowing up.
We're gonna get kicked off of here if we don't
ask this question from Brian Turner. He says, tell Joel,
I said hello, and do yourself a favor and ask
about Joey Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yes, very early eep cut Brian Turner, right, yes, thank
you man, Thank you for bringing that up. Thank you
for noticing and acknowledging the history. I was not expecting
to get a Joey Jaguar related question today. I wonder
if he's from nearby in the New York City area.
(26:36):
But yeah, before I got to ECW, when I was
a teenager in my late high school and early college years.
So from let's say sixteen to nineteen sixteen to twenty,
I was Joey Jaguar, and then I was really trying
to be the next incarnation of Paul E just a
(27:01):
you know, kind of you know, silver spoon in my mouth.
It's non hunk, club going city kid. Yeah, and that's
what Joey Jaguar was at the Lower east Side Wrestling
Gym and uh and on the independent circuit in Brooklyn
(27:22):
and surrounding areas. So uh so Yeah, Joey Jaguar is
the pre ecw kind of the first four years of
my wrestling career.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Wow yea and Brian is saying he's from Nashville.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Oh wow. I wonder if he met me while I
was there. I lived in Nashville for about four months. Okay,
Art Sawyer and I did the indie territory down there.
There were about three different companies that I bounced around with.
And what's fun about that is I actually so I
did on the WB Saturday Mornings, id mwa. I wanted
(28:01):
to say it was main event. I think I did
that as Joel Gertner. Maybe not as the quintessential stud Muffin.
I can't remember, but maybe I did that as Joel Grtner.
But there was one night at the fairground working for
Bert Prenis that I said, you know what, tonight, let's
have some fun. And I was staying with a dude
and I kind of dressed up. He had like all
(28:23):
the right stuff for it. He had like the cargo pants,
like the caffeine cargo pants er, and I had a
tigger like that you could pull a string on his
back and he would talk to you. And I had
all this ammunition. I had all this like lollipops in
(28:44):
my pocket of the cargo pants. And I went out
as Joey Jaguar, but not the same Joey Jaguar that
I was as a teenager. Said, I went out as
Joey Jaguar, a raver who went out there and would
get his instructions and advice from a stuffed tigger along
(29:06):
to the person that he was managing, because it would
be ridiculous for a wrestler to constantly throughout the match
after pull tigger and string. It wouldn't be efficient. So
I would be out there as the liaison on the
eighth tigger. Yeah, so that's what Joey Jaguar did in Nashville.
(29:27):
But yeah, man, I wonder if I knew Brian turned
during those days. That would have been late two thousand
and two, early two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
He said, uh, Roxin and Dustin slacker j And he
did say Bert's name, So every time you said something,
he was already you were just like narrating what he
was saying.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I knew this cat. I'm sure we met when I
was down there for those four months. Yeah, man, Brian,
be in touch, shoot me a a messenger or hit
me up on ig at Quintessential stud Muffin and uh,
and we'll stay in touch and we'll figure out uh
some of the old stuff from O two.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, that is so awesome. That's cool. I'm glad he's
able to make that connection.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, he has some footage of your managing stuff back
then NW a main event. Uh yeah, to.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
A main event uswo And I can't remember the third one.
I worked for Tony Falk, Mike Porter, Burt Prenis maybe once,
so those might have been the three. Maybe just Burt
Prenice once, but h yeah, because I was down there
for oh wait, I did one small show in McMinnville,
(30:43):
but I almost forget even for who and what the
name of the the company was. But yeah, I was
down there in Nashville for about four months trying to
be local and get back on with t NA.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It is crazy. That's crazy, Okay, voice voice. I know
we still got some more discord questions. I know we
have them from night Wing. So let's go ahead and
get to one of our discord questions just a weekend.
Make sure we stay in true to the guys that
come into discord, because that's the only way you guys
are gonna get this exclusive type of treatment here. And
how you got to join the discord. I keep telling
you guys every episode, make sure that you join it.
(31:16):
And we have night Wing here, and he says, could
you ask him for me? Was he not offered the
chance to go to THEWF with the Dudley's when they
left ECW.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It's a tricky I ever want to overstep and feel
like I know the answer to the question. More so
I always take a step back, and I pref it
by saying it's a tricky question. On the one hand,
when in ninety nine, when Baba and Devon were getting
ready to leave, and when I was getting ready to
(31:56):
sign my first contract and get the TNN gig, this
is all happening in Act two of ninety nine, all
of it like April to August. Everything is going down
in those weeks, and at one point I think before
I signed the contract, but Bubba was probably privy to
(32:17):
knowing that I had been presented a contract to sign.
They pulled me aside into a room kind of I think,
to say, now you know, act's gonna get split up.
We have it, we're going and I don't know if
they were trying to tell me, don't sign yet, we'll
(32:38):
take you with us. There's interest in you. So that's
as far as that goes. I don't know anything else.
I do know during there was a time I think
before I had signed my deal. I think before or
when I had the deal on that I hadn't signed
(32:59):
it yet. When you're kind of like, you never think
you're going to look back, you know, twenty eight years,
twenty six years after something, you know what I mean,
It's just you're just living your life. So it's I
can't remember exactly what month, what year this happened, but
I wound up on the phone with Terry Taylor, who
(33:20):
time was with WWF, and he told me there was
interest in me being the manager for their version of
the Public Enemy and what I mean essentially the Public
Enemy Rocko and Johnny and they were going to come
into WWF and have me doing you know, the intros
(33:42):
for them, and we talked possible potential money. And at
the end of the day, the Dudley's pulling me into
a room happened. Me being on the phone with Terry
Taylor happened. And even if that's a little bit after
the after I signed my first deal, or you know,
(34:03):
maybe the deal had been breached at this point, like
I don't or I don't know. I'm not sure you know,
the chronology, like I said, a little bit fuzzy, But
both of those things happened whenever they happened, the Dudley's
pulling me into the room before they left, me on
the phone with Terry Taylor at the end of the day.
The result is that I stuck it out and I
kind of went down with the ship. I did get
(34:25):
east at the very end that allowed me to be
able to talk to WWFWCW. So I don't want to
say I went down with the ship to imply that,
like here's March of two thousand and one, and here's Paul,
you know, eight pm, nine pm showing up at the
(34:47):
desk on raw and I am still obligated to ECW.
It wasn't that deep but for all intents and purposes,
it was because effectively, you know, I hadn't left for WWF,
I hadn't left for WCW. I got a release that
would allow me to be able to talk to them
(35:09):
without there being contract tampering. I basically I was on
the phone with Paul and I said, Paul, I'm never leaving.
I said, you're my mentor. You gave me this break,
you gave me this spot. The pay is like I
have no reason to leave, Like I don't want out,
and I'm seeing different writing on the wall, and I'm
(35:30):
reading news and I'm seeing things happen and it almost
seems like a fade a complete and it almost seems
like there is no ship to hold on too. And
that's the vibe I'm getting. And especially if that's not true,
you know, I would need you to tell me, because
you're a better arbiter of where things stand. And I
(35:52):
basically asked him, you know, I want, I need to
do what's right for me and my family. What you know,
should I stay? What should I do?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You know?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I and I forget how I phrased it, but he, uh,
you know, he but not that he wanted to get
rid of me. But he basically told me that, uh,
you know, perhaps I was right, it was time and
uh and he would grant me a release. So so
was there an opportunity for me to go to the WWF.
(36:25):
I don't maybe, I mean, you know, whatever you can
glean from that. And then there was ECW One Night
Stand and I did the five show, the first one,
and Tommy was Talent Relations Tommy Dreamer, and he was like,
treat it like an audition. I treat everything every time
(36:46):
I go through the curtain. I treat it like it's
my first time. I treat it like it's my last time.
So he said, I treat it like it's an audition.
So of course I did, and then, uh, you know,
didn't hear anything. And then they did the show and
I was six. That led to the Sci Fi Show
and I wasn't on that, And then I did the
(37:09):
TNA E CW reunion show in twenty ten that I
think the other day or last week was the fifteenth
anniversary celebration of that. But yeah, was there a chance
for me to go to w w F or WWE.
Maybe maybe it just uh didn't play out that way.
(37:33):
It wasn't in the cards, so I haven't disqualified, you know,
I'd love I mean, you know, I'm a non wrestler,
I'm not physical, I'm not an athlete, so I'm still
in my prime, you know, so i'd love you know,
I would entertain any you know, any full time regular
(37:53):
you know TV work with a major company. I would
absolutely love to talk with them if they they thought
that they might have something for me. It's just, you know, here,
I am, gosh, five weeks away from turning fifty, and
you know, just as of yet, I have only worked
for WWE. I want to say two days in my life,
(38:19):
right for one night standout five, but really only did
one day worth of work, and then I went to
Stanford one day to sit down and do talking head
stuff for DVD projects. So worked for WWE two days
out of my life. So, and they treat me very well.
On the website. Every Hanukkah, they put me over as
(38:40):
a you know, as a Jewish wrestling superstar, a top
fifty greatest Talkers in the History of the business list
and they had met at the number forty nine on there,
which you know, I was kind of like, huh forty
Now I'm kidding. No, I was thrilled to even be
(39:01):
on it because, you know, as somebody who only did
the One Night Stand pay per view, so never done
any WWF pay per views, never done Raw SmackDown anything
like that, to even be included in that list is
is really really cool. So I don't know, time will tell,
you know, I would love nothing more than if you know,
(39:24):
chronologically when the time comes that it's Paul's preference that
he just does not want to be on the road
anymore or whatever, or doesn't want to be in his spot.
And you know, if they were to come to him
and say, you're irreplaceable, but what can we do about
trying to get the next best thing? I would love
it if he would pass the torch to me. That's
(39:47):
something that that would be amazing, be wonderful, and I
so I don't disqualify that, you know. So I keep thinking,
like I said, I'm turning fifty, but for somebody, what
I do. You know, I remember watching Lou Albano and
I remember watching Freddy Blasti and those guys were not
Spring Chickens when I was watching them in the eighties,
(40:09):
So yeah, you know, I you know WWF, I don't know.
Maybe in the future, who knows, you know, yes, yes, no, no,
we shall see.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I would love that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I would absolutely love that. And hey, I mean, look
at look at Paul himself, who as you. I see
him as a big inspiration for what I do. He's
not you know, he's not an athlete or anything like that,
and he's one of the biggest figures in ww right now.
I would love to see that torch get passed to
you because you're so like watching stuff that you've done.
You're so incredibly talented. I'd love to see the neck
(40:41):
brace and the bow tie come back once again on
my television. That would be amazing. But listen, we only
got a little bit of time with you, so I
just got it like two more questions left for myself
and then I get one more here from voice. You
were talking about the AHL earlier, and I thought that
was to me, it was it was. It wasn't random.
But what it let me know is that you're you're
(41:03):
kind of in tune with what's going on on today's product.
So as somebody who's who was once again super talented
as you were and sees wrestling the way that you
see it, and mentored by somebody like Paul Hayman. What's
your thoughts on the current vibes of or the state
of where wrestling is at right now? Do you catch
Monday Night raw ae W?
Speaker 4 (41:22):
What?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What are you watching? What are you checking out?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
I watch everything, some of it a few months back
on and that's just because I try to watch all
of everything, and then I'm watching movies and TV. My
wife is a Hollywood publicist, so we're always trying to
watch a little bit of non wrestling stuff too. But yeah,
(41:45):
I you know, I'm I'm kind of into everything. I
still watch everything. I think business is good. I think
the state of the business is uh is on one
hand great, I think, uh, you know, just first world problems,
you know what I mean, Like it's a little bit overposed, right,
there's a little bit of oversaturation. I don't want to be.
You know, back in my day we had and if
(42:09):
you were lucky at TV, but we did, and back
in my day, you could be spending a lot of
money on sixty dollars VHS tapes, a lot of money
on pay per views, a lot of money on live
event tickets, and a lot of money on merch and
you could be spending a lot of money, maybe even
a lot more than some people pay now because there's
(42:29):
so much out there for free. But back in my day,
you could spend a lot of money and be a
huge fan and yet and still the wrestling calendar for
the week went from Friday night to Sunday and that's
it until I guess there was Prime time wrestling, and
(42:50):
I guess there was Tuesday Night Titans, but all and
to spend then the Monday Night Wars. You could argue
that there was Monday, but then beyond Monday, there was
no Tuesday wrestling, there was no Wednesday wrestling, there was
no Thursday Front. Now there's wrestling every day of the week.
Not it's a bad thing. I'm saying, if we're gonna
nitpick and try because the state of the business is
(43:13):
so good to find some bad in it. It's maybe
a little bit oversaturated. But yeah, I mean, if that's
the worst thing, I think it's hot, you know what
I mean. I think w is firing on all cylinders.
I think AW is quite viable. I think TNA is
(43:38):
you know, they're kind of a They come across a
bit as a sub of WWE or as a mental
for WWE like Legacy does for UFC, you know, like
AWEC did for UFC, Like they kind of come across
like that. But at the same time, the bean Counters
(44:00):
are probably thrilled that, you know, business is up and
business is booming, and they had thousands and thousands of
people on Long Island and just things are good, you
know what I mean. R O H got saved and
it's part of aw So this brand is still going.
So and the indies, you know, it used to be
(44:24):
you know, you were lucky if you could get three
hundred people to come to your indie show. And and
now you know, the indies are out there competing with
each other. You know, who's going to get a thousand
next and who's gonna get two thousand next, And you
know it's just there's there's a lot of money out
there for sports entertainment and pro wrestling. So those are
(44:44):
my thoughts. I think the business is super strong.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah for no, I agree with you absolutely and great
to get your thoughts on it as well. I got
one more, but first voice, I want to go ahead
and give it to you. We we got to let
him slide out of here. But last question, last thoughts
would you got for the Quinn to Senil stud Muffin
Joel Gertner.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
All right, Joel, thank you so much for your time
and this and uh, you know that's the most valuable
thing we have and throughout your career with ECW, I
I need to ask, what is your favorite Joey Styles
line that you've ever heard him utter?
Speaker 4 (45:25):
My favorite Joey Styles line. First one that comes to
mind is when I took total elimination. And we've been
watching ECW going back to the beginning to and I
still can't remember whether because he's used this line about
three times, I can't remember whether I'm the first one
(45:47):
that he said it about or not. But I take
total elimination and Joey goes, Wow, somebody called Joel's parents
tell them he's not coming home ever. And I think
at a couple of other times, but I may have
(46:09):
been the first, but that's definitely the first Joey Styles
line that comes to mind. I remember I enjoyed calling
him Ferris Buehler one time.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah, I absolutely adored your guys's on screen presence. You guys,
you guys made e c W. Uh that extra layer,
that that extra Sprinkle on the Sunday and uh you
you two were my absolute favorites.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Uh nice voice the promo for TNN.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
When when you and Paul just went off on the
execs of TNN and you want to get rid of
it now, like just the fact. And it was funny too,
because the way you delivered it was like somebody who
who might actually know the truth.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
He said it with the utmost confidence, and I'm like,
is this really happening?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You had me hooked, sir. Everything you've done in there,
you've had me hooked like a fish.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
Thank you, dude, No problem, no problem.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
It's just been such a blast to talk to. I
wanted to make sure we got that in. But like
I said, we're gonna let you slide. But I got
one final question for you, Joe, one final question. And
it's not fancy. It's not all in ring this and that,
blah blah blah. I gotta ask you this now. About
a month or so ago, myself and the Voice here,
we went back and we watched the nineteen ninety nine
(47:45):
November to Remember pay per view was a two part episode.
Our fans loved it. It was great, it was awesome.
But in the very beginning of that, there was an
en ring segment with yourself and Taz, and this is
the segment that you ended up, you know, respectfully, getting
choked out by task. But that's not that's not the
story here, all right, because I noticed one thing, and
(48:07):
the only thing I noticed is that when when you
drop down to the ground, a joint fell out of
your pocket. And I was when we said that. When
I saw that, I focused on nothing else. I focused
on nothing else. I was like, did did a joint
just fall at a Joey pocket? Is this what happened?
And I told myself on this very episode, you guys
can go back and listen to that episode. I said,
(48:29):
if I get to talk to Joe Gern, if I
get the privilege and honor to talk to Joe, I'm
going to ask that man, and I'm gonna ask you now,
did a joint fall out of your pocket?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I can neither confirm nor That's not me dodging or
ducking the question. That's I can neither confirm nor deny because,
on the one hand, at that time in ninety nine,
I never smoked before or during a show. It would
(49:05):
have only been after. So in that respect, I say
to myself, there was no reason for it to be
in my pocket at that time. So no, but I
don't gotta look closely, and you know, I don't know,
is it the Grassy Knoll? And were there two shooters?
And you gotta really focus in on it because if
(49:28):
it looks like a joint, really and it seems like
a joint, and it must be a joint. So I'm
not coming out here to say in nineteen ninety nine
that it couldn't have been Miss Barbozoa in the kitchen
with red herring, because Miss Barbozola never had a red herring.
It could have conceivably been a joint. I don't I
(49:55):
I would take the under h but it is not impossible.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Oh I love it.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
That's what you need to be work.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
You need to watch out though, because we do have
a conspiracy show on this channel, So we will and
we will make you a subject. My friend.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I love it. I love it. Now we have a
running gag here then to receive Joe Gertner rolled it.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
You're gonna be that fingerprint.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
I would say, Sandman's fingerprints is probably all over that one.
It's just the stories I've heard of that. Man.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Oh man, what an awesome time. Man, this was a great,
great episode, and man, it was such a joy to
have you on the show, to speak to you, to
soak in your knowledge, to hear your stories. Man, I
just want to say on behalf of myself, on behalf
of the voice here, everybody here in the household and
our whole team, thank you so much for taking your
(50:58):
time to come and chat with us here in your house.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Man, thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
No problem, guys. That is the Quinn Tosential stud Muffin,
Joe Girdner and guys. This is just a block of
shows that you can catch here in your house. It
has been great checking this out. If you guys do
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(51:26):
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(51:47):
part of the work. And that's howsc and the W
stands for work so far. A great guest, The Quinn
Essential stud Muffin Joe Girtner and the Voice Josh Joseph
Ali Khanda con have house here to tell you, to
tell a friend, to tell a friend, to tell a
friend to hop on this bandwagon, get on or get
(52:08):
gone because the household is still going mighty strong. You guys,
have a great day and a great rest of your week.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Peace in your house with no condon and your kind
of your house.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
House fighting word of your house. The prop He's added
the clouds creating no kind of louds, wrestling in front
of the crowds. Parent gots holding it down. Anybody can
anybody can't get it, guys. Joseph Downing one six. He
has the voice. There is no choice. Here's some choice
in your house making wrestling noise and going back. It's
like cruise a weight action. Your house is the perfect distraction.
(52:45):
You probably see clears when you win traction. Get this
work with some wrestling back and smoke
Yeah, yeah, in your house with no common at your
kind of your house, house h your word of your
house upon signed in clouds, creating no kind of allouds,
wrestling in front of the crowds.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Parent got holding it, doubt anybody can. Anybody can get it.
Guys just standing on the six, he is the voice.
There is no choice. Were some choice in your house
making wrestling noise and fact. It's like cruise await action.
Your house is a perfect straction. You prop to see
you here's when you attract. You get this work with
some prestling back and spoke. What is up? Guys? What
(00:39):
is cracking is the common man? And I am in
your house. And you guys already know the bob. Anytime
we slide on through, we're gonna give you that work
when it comes to professional wrestling business. And guys, it's
is Thursday. And guys, you know what happens on a Thursday,
on a day here in your house. And guys, you
(01:03):
guys know what time it is? His time? All right?
Oh you guys hear the music? Yeah, you guys know
the vibes. That's right, that's right, it's just some subitious
It's time for the ECW watch around series here at
in your house and guys, usually when I get extreme,
I gotta get extreme with my man over here. He's
(01:23):
the christuer of the show. He is the voice and
the educator of Extreme. Josh Joseph, what is up, brother man?
I know you're excited for this one.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Oh, I'm super stoked for this one, not only for me,
but for.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You guys the household, the one thing.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Who said, hey, yeah, we want that guy. We want
to hear the stories that you guys can get out
of them, like you did with Sabou, like you did
with Bonzie.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
And boys, she did it on yourself. Raven.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Raven's got a documentary coming out to him.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Go check it out.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Because well, what I've sticking from the trailer hits drinking fantastic.
But today is the day that we get the man
himself house I'm super stoked for this. We should get
the show going.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, we should definitely get this show going because I'll
tell you we've been watching I'm gonna keep this super short.
I'm gonna keep this story super short. But we've been
watching ECW for almost a year now. It has been great,
but we've seen a lot of consistence and one consistent,
especially with what I do as a manager and his
backstage correspondence for different promotions here in the Midwest. I
(02:30):
always notice stuff like that, and I got to tell
you I noticed this man every single time that I
saw him with the mic in his hand. And he's
here now to talk to us in the household. But
you know, I can only do so much of an introduction.
I gotta give it to my man voice, the man
behind ECW. Go ahead and bring in our guests properly.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Well, well, well, fans, we are about to witness somebody
who honestly made my parents and my very uncomfortable during
ECWER nights. He had a very unique way of making
everybody go well, at least at thirteen.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Go.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Can I say that at school? You try it out
and maybe the girl with the developing you know, uh,
she slapped you. And it's all because of this man.
This is the one, the man, the only This is
Joel Girt, the.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Quinn tesential stud Muffin himself is in your house. Thank
you for taking your time to talk to us.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Of course, thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
It is it's a vibe, man, because like I was
saying in the green room. As we've been watching all
these weekly episodes, You've been such a consistent man with
your charisma and your work on the mic. The confidence
that you that you hold. Now I know my man
voice here. Got a lot of questions, but you know,
I'm somebody. I come from a music background, a lyricist
(04:00):
as it were. And some of the stuff that you
was spinning, man, back then, yes it was vulgar, but man,
you had bars bro you was out there spinning Like
how did you get so good at the doing that?
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't know? I mean, you know, I grew up
in Brooklyn in the eighties, so this is kind of
a little bit the cradle of rap, and I did.
I would go to the mall and there would be
a guy slinging bootlegs out in front of the mall,
see the day, Vague days, and he would be telling
cassette tapes too, and I would pick up like ghetto Boys,
(04:37):
and I would up deep quick and I pick up
third base and just whatever was going on, like late eighties,
early nineties. So I was kind of into the scene.
I mean, I was an early proponent as far as
the northeast of ICP, and they sent me in ninety seven.
I think when I was in ECW, they sent me
(04:59):
a nice care package, and I've been a Juggalo ever since. Here.
I was into Bloodhound Gang because Brooklyn, I was into
the Beastie Boys. I had Brass Monkey and Paul Revere
and all them, like memorized. I was into freestyle music,
so I was into like Rob Bass, so like just
just all those kind of Brooklyn national anthems, which is
(05:22):
either hip hop or about halfway there. So I kind
of always had that flavor running through my veins. But
I was just you know, I was heavy into wrestling.
I was just big into uh you know, pro wrestling.
That was just the thing I just I wanted to entertain.
I wanted to be the next Paul, the next Jim Cornette,
the next body Heenan and so I you know, I
(05:45):
didn't really go into rap or anything pop. I just
decided to just you know, whatever I was gonna do
was gonna be within wrestling. It all kind of was
a work in progress. It was all kind of just episodic.
It grew and it grew. I had a joke book
when I was a kid, and one of them was
(06:06):
how is a penis like a Rubik's cube. The more
you play with the harder it gets. Just like Rubik's cube,
the more you play with it, the harder it gets.
That's it. One line, that's it. And from there I
was doing sonnets. You know, I was going out in
Orlando doing you know, I don't know, like twenty six
(06:27):
lines about Daisy Duck and I went out there and
memorized the whole thing. And I don't know, man, it's
just you know, you talk about dropping bars. I guess
I inspired some. I mean Action Bronson. He's a real
good dude. He's a cool cat, and he he's got
me in the lyrics of one of his tracks. So
(06:50):
I don't know, man, just you know, like you said,
but is what it is, you know what I mean,
just you know a little bit. But I don't know, man.
You know, I love rap hip hop and I'm glad
that I'm glad that you kind of deduced that from
my work.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Yeah, it was a vibe. Man. I was just like, man,
this dude is so cold. Like I got it. I
got a chance to, like I said, see a lot
of your work on a weekly But when I went
back and listened to some like it was just like
a best of Joe Gerten. I was like, man, this
dude is so cold, but listen voice, I already know
all right, calm down, killer, all right, I'm about to
unleash you, all right? Do you got any questions for
(07:27):
the Quinn to Central stud muffin.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I wish I had a million dollars so I could
have a million hours of your time, sir. I got
so many questions, but I will keep them limited to
the ones I've always wanted to ask you. You before
I get into it. You were definitely somebody that I
absolutely adored in ECW. You showed me that there was
other ways to make an impact inside the promotion. The
(07:53):
way you played off Joey's styles, it was almost like
a big brother little brother situation, but we just couldn't
tell which one was the big brother at times. And
the way that you just made everybody happy, I just
I absolutely adore you and everything you did for ECW.
And you you make these watch alongs when you come
(08:14):
on there, it's something special. We all stop, we listen
and we try to hear what Joel Gertner has to
do with Jay. You always get a pop on this
show because we we just absolutely love what you contributed
to the business.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Thank you, we appreciate.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Outside of that, I have to ask you because it
seemed like you were really being pushed and like you
were becoming another staple inside E c W. And then
they interjected Cyrus the Virus. Now, I know on camera
it appeared you know, you've you played the role very well,
(08:58):
but as somebody who gets annoyed by people, it's really
seen that you really do not like this guy. And
I just always wanted to know, is that is there
any truth? Like are you was a real beef between
you and Cyrus the Virus?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
No, actually no, and actually quite the opposite respect number one.
I was a fan of his work in WWF, the
limited work that he got to show when he was
with the Truth Commission and all that, and when he
was with or the Acolytes. Everything he did there, I
(09:38):
as the Jackal, I was a fan of. So when
I saw that he was in with us, I said
to myself, this is great. This is an opportunity for
me to make sure that I'm upping my game, stepping
it up a notch, never mailing it in. That's the
same way I felt when they had us programmed against
PG thirteen and I was out there with Jamie. It
(10:00):
was the same exact thing. It was, Now I get
to put my working shoes on, and now I get
to make sure that I don't get you know, outworked,
and so yeah, So from that aspect, no, And then
also no, he actually taught me how to play cribbage,
which is I guess a lot more popular he I
think he got into the business a few years before
(10:21):
I did, and a lot of the boys kind of
in the era before the nineties, like eighties, seventy sixties,
a lot of the boys going back played this specific
card game called cribbage. I think it also culturally happens
to be more popular in Canada than it is in
the States. And I didn't know how to play it,
(10:43):
and he taught me. We played it a few times.
I housed him a few times, beginner's luck whatever. But
between him just kind of forcing me to step up
or not, you know, forcing in the sense that you know,
I'm my own worst critic and I'm a perfectionist, and
I'm always gonna force myself to step up. But between
that and us playing cribbage together, I actually had no
(11:07):
problem with it whatsoever, So that anything that you saw
out in front of on that one side of the curtain,
the performance side on camera, all of that was just work.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I love that. I absolutely love that Sabu did the
same thing. I had one opinion of him as a
child watching him grow up, and he was like, no,
that's not how it was my stage. So I love
that this is this is you doing the same thing.
Speaking of the of Sabu, one of the biggest legends
(11:38):
to ever grace ECW with his recent passing, is there
any any Sabu stories that you have that made you,
as the guy behind the camera like happy to think
about reminisce about nothing. You know, I don't need any
(11:59):
like real personal ones, but I just you seem like
you you really loved everybody on the roster and had
a special connection with everybody.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Yeah, sab I mean there's the one that Tim Sabu's book,
which I'm really kind of I'm kind of I've been
neglecting doing the audio version of which which Kenny Casanova
has agreed that I could do, so I need to
get on that. There is an audio version, but it's
(12:31):
like AI right now. So I was going to and
a real kind of narration the story from there, and
I told it at Sabu's memorial in Philly a few
weeks ago. I you know, I felt like kind of
a badge of honor, and I felt like kind of
in a sense, I had made it socially within E
c W when I there was a room party at
(12:55):
the hotel in Sabu's room, and I had been invited
to it, and this was a big deal for me,
so of course, socially one year old who's like the
baby on the roster, and I decided that I would
display my appreciation in the only way that I knew.
(13:16):
How we were on the ground floor of this kind
of motel, and there might as well have been like
poultry and chickens and farm range kind of animals outside,
because I don't know, like we were, you know, we
weren't in a city, so to speak. And and you
know it's a real party when like hour and a
(13:36):
half has gone by and nobody said a word, or
there's just this kind of cone of silence around the
whole room and everybody's just depressing, and everybody's just kind
of you know, blowing off steam, taking the edge off
not working, and everybody's like, you know, can't talk eating,
(14:00):
like can't talk partying, and so it's been like an
hour and a half since anybody said anything, and all
of a sudden, I go Babo, who hasn't said anything
in an hour and a half. He turns around and
(14:20):
he zones it right on me, and he looks at
me because he knew that that's the only place where
it could have come from, because I not to do that,
And he was like, that's turkey in the room. I
love that, that's my Sabo. That that's that's the Saboo
(14:43):
story that you know that it put hair on my
chest when it happened. Then it's the gift that keeps
on giving, you know.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, yeah, I definitely know about that I got. I
had the privilege to work with him on his podcast
and I was his last pcer of his last two
to three shows, and over a year I developed a
friendship with him and that was like the highlight of
my life, Like that dude is phenomenal. But I would
(15:15):
like to bring in a question real quick from our discord. Yes,
our discord. We told everybody you were going to be
on here because this is something special for us, and
we wanted to make it special for our fans, so
we asked them if they wanted to bring any questions
in and we have clots here. Growing up in South Philly,
(15:38):
you would always hear your friends say he spotted a
ECW wrestler walking around. You hear stories about the hotel
that they stayed at. But it always wanted but I
always wanted to know if there was a spot all
the boys would go to drink, a strip club or
just a spot they go. And he wanted to know.
(16:02):
If you remember one of his dad's friends, Tony the
hitman Stenson, Yeah, yeah, okay, awesome.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Just saw Tony at the one and done t WA
one and Done a few weeks ago. Yeah yeah, I
left Tony. Was there a place where everybody drank? I
mean the hotel bar was usually good these room parties.
Like a lot of the time, hotel bar would start
(16:31):
going at about midnight and it would go until about
like whenever it closed, like two in the morning, and
then everybody would just find wherever the spot was, you know,
whether it was one of the boys or whether it
was you know, one of the fans, or who this
one brought beer and this one brought that and whatever,
and it would just become, you know, turned the hotel
(16:54):
basically into a frat party, you know what I mean.
But yeah, was there a place? Was there a bar,
I don't know, I mean across the street from the
Travelodge there was this I want to say, there was
a Chinese restaurant that sold like six packs near the
pros Diner. Was there a place to go drink? There
(17:17):
was a strip club that I think some of the
boys had a link with, called Cheerleaders. So there was
that found a way.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Okay, that's the answer, right there, Always find away. Oh man, No,
I love it. I love it. Listen, I enjoy it.
I enjoy what I'm hearing here our discord. They got
some great questions, but you know, I got questions too, because,
like I've got a chance to see what you're doing.
(17:54):
Big fan of your work, just just like watching what
you do. And I I, you know, I work some
indie here in my area for the last few years.
Is is you know, doing backstage stuff and then manager
and uh and and you know, commentary and stuff like that.
So I want to ask you this from a performer's perspective.
You were out there for like some of the hottest crowds.
(18:17):
What was that vibe like being able to perform in
front of some of the hottest crowds in pro wrestling
at that time.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
In anything, in anything, because it was ECW hottest in anything.
I mean, that's able level as far as energy, as
far as rest, as far as just spirit, just you know,
the hottest crowds you could hope for, whether it's thick,
whether it's wrestling, no matter what, it is the hottest
(18:46):
crowds in America period. But I mean some of the
hottest crowds in wrestling. Even at the time, it was
a blast, you know, it was uh, it became I
don't want to say we took it for granted, but
like it almost became like, I mean, we never had
a crowd that was sitting on its hands.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Ryan didn't know, you guys didn't.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
And when we were in front of five hundred people
stead of five thousand people, it was always a hot,
loud crowd. And I always loved that, you know, because
I I fed off of it. You know, you as
a performer, you know, you get energy so that you're
able to you know, be in the moment and uh
and and give back as good as you're getting, so
(19:32):
you know it's necessary and it's uh and it was
in abundance and and and of course you know, like
I say, I mean, you know, if anything, I think
we did the opposite of take it for granted. We
had you know, ECW was on a shoe string budget.
You know, there was no pyro, There was really hardly
any lighting. You know, we didn't have anything. We didn't
(19:53):
have makeup, we didn't have this, We didn't have that
when it came to the Dudley's because it was you know,
the first thing that was going to hit you was me,
and then eventually also there was Bubba. We didn't have music.
We were the one act in a music driven company
that we were sent out in silence. So you know
what I mean, Like you figure Double Time in the
nineties were getting compared to the Road Warriors in the eighties.
(20:15):
Road Warriors had iron Man, you know what I mean.
We had went out there to the sound of silence,
so you know, but yeah, I mean great atmosphere. You know,
we loved the energy and and it was a blast,
you know it. But again for me, you know, on
a positive in a positive way, I had nothing to
(20:35):
compare it to. It was all I knew, you know
what I mean. I couldn't be like I was in
WCW five years ago. Those were the drizzling shits. We
only had nine hundred people and none of them were
doing anything. I didn't, you know what I mean, I
only knew E CW. So you know there's that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, yeah, oh no, that makes a lot of sense
for sure. And plus like like you said, no, there
was nobody sitting on their hands during an ECW show,
and you see that throughout the entire watching it at home.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I never had the pleasure of going to one. Always
wanted to, and it would have been a dream if
I if they ever develop a time machine, I'm gonna
be on a show. I'm going to give you a
little tap on the shoulder too and tell you some things, Joel.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
But you know.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
I love it. I love it you You You mentioned
the Dudley's and I would be My cousins would kick
me in the head if I didn't ask you a
Dudley question.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
You seem to be held hostage for most of your Dudley.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Interaction, so uh, the way.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
You played into that, I have to ask because the
very first time I can recall seeing it is the
dance with the hands, and it was with the Dudley's.
How did that come about? Were they involved in you
doing this? Did you do it backstage? Someone thought it
was a riot? What's the story with the dance?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Could have been that? So many things were that, you know,
see it backstage and the dance, I think I just
whipped it out. I think it was just, you know,
it was just you know, the power of the Dudley's
compelled me, and I just I just think it was
within me, you know what I mean. I don't think
the dance is something that needs to be too much
(22:25):
read into or analyzed. I think it was just I
think it's just so like they're so violent, you know
what I mean, like violent, and they were so aggressive,
and a lot of the stuff that I was saying
in the heel promos, whether I was talking about them
or even myself, was also kind of violent and aggressive.
(22:47):
That to bust out this dance that shows that I'm
just a chump butterball Teddy Bear, you know what I mean,
I'm like the human incarnation of ted you know what
I mean. I think I think it was just something
that kind of you know, suited the well as far
as you know, more of that kind of oil and water, Like,
(23:07):
you know, why do they hang out with him or
what is you know, what is this dude seeing them
for friendship? And like I think it was just kind
of that odd couple fish out of water, you know,
just another example of it.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean you played it well that that dance.
I still do it every once in a while when off,
you know, at work or something. I'll do that little
dance and just we have fun with it. You gave
you gave so many people a smile just for that
one little thing. And just the fact that you don't
have to read too too much into it because it
(23:42):
the dance alone up against the Dudley's makes sense in
a way, you know, that that ying and yang thing
that I absolutely love your choices with the Dudley storyline.
You did everything perfectly with them. I'm so so sorry
they treated you. I mean, they treated you way better
than anybody they have ever treated that they brought into
(24:05):
the group. Uh, but was done? Was Spike really the
most aggressive Dudley out of the whole group? I mean
he was the one who was kicked.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
Out of the Spike was on acid. We didn't put
it all the way out there, like you know, full black.
But like, I guess the easter egg that you're supposed
to pick up is that his initials little Spike Dudley
or LSD and everything. So like I think that he
(24:38):
was supposed to be this, like, you know, the runt
of the litter that dropped acid one time and never
came back from the trip.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
It.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
So I guess he kind of was. He was an
awesome part. It was just all I mean, it was
just a Saturday morning cartoon, except it was a Saturday
late night cartoon, you know what I mean. You know
who I like? I like Cia Hale in xt Oh. Yeah,
it's like a cartoon, you know what I mean. Like
(25:11):
she's like Ainian Devil, Like she's got all this energy
and she's so funny and she's so fun to watch
and like in the same like that's how we were,
you know, Bubba and Devon and then Spike and then
me for for as you know, it was effective, it
was aggressive. We would win, we would get over, we
(25:32):
would win championships, we would be top guys, and at
the same time we were cartoons. We were just basically you're,
you know, mister Magoo, Ricochet, Rabbit, Magilla, Gorilla like at
for what we were, you know what I mean, we
were just characters and so yeah, and I think Spike
was such an important part of that.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, I highly agree. Dark Chat is blowing up.
We're gonna get kicked off of here if we don't
ask this question from Brian Turner. He says, tell Joel,
I said hello, and do yourself a favor and ask
about Joey Jaguar.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Yes, very early eep cut Brian Turner, right, yes, thank
you man, Thank you for bringing that up. Thank you
for noticing and acknowledging the history. I was not expecting
to get a Joey Jaguar related question today. I wonder
if he's from nearby in the New York City area.
(26:36):
But yeah, before I got to ECW, when I was
a teenager in my late high school and early college years.
So from let's say sixteen to nineteen sixteen to twenty,
I was Joey Jaguar, and then I was really trying
to be the next incarnation of Paul E just a
(27:01):
you know, kind of you know, silver spoon in my mouth.
It's non hunk, club going city kid. Yeah, and that's
what Joey Jaguar was at the Lower east Side Wrestling
Gym and uh and on the independent circuit in Brooklyn
(27:22):
and surrounding areas. So uh so Yeah, Joey Jaguar is
the pre ecw kind of the first four years of
my wrestling career.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Wow yea and Brian is saying he's from Nashville.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Oh wow. I wonder if he met me while I
was there. I lived in Nashville for about four months. Okay,
Art Sawyer and I did the indie territory down there.
There were about three different companies that I bounced around with.
And what's fun about that is I actually so I
did on the WB Saturday Mornings, id mwa. I wanted
(28:01):
to say it was main event. I think I did
that as Joel Gertner. Maybe not as the quintessential stud Muffin.
I can't remember, but maybe I did that as Joel Grtner.
But there was one night at the fairground working for
Bert Prenis that I said, you know what, tonight, let's
have some fun. And I was staying with a dude
and I kind of dressed up. He had like all
(28:23):
the right stuff for it. He had like the cargo pants,
like the caffeine cargo pants er, and I had a
tigger like that you could pull a string on his
back and he would talk to you. And I had
all this ammunition. I had all this like lollipops in
(28:44):
my pocket of the cargo pants. And I went out
as Joey Jaguar, but not the same Joey Jaguar that
I was as a teenager. Said, I went out as
Joey Jaguar, a raver who went out there and would
get his instructions and advice from a stuffed tigger along
(29:06):
to the person that he was managing, because it would
be ridiculous for a wrestler to constantly throughout the match
after pull tigger and string. It wouldn't be efficient. So
I would be out there as the liaison on the
eighth tigger. Yeah, so that's what Joey Jaguar did in Nashville.
(29:27):
But yeah, man, I wonder if I knew Brian turned
during those days. That would have been late two thousand
and two, early two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
He said, uh, Roxin and Dustin slacker j And he
did say Bert's name, So every time you said something,
he was already you were just like narrating what he
was saying.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I knew this cat. I'm sure we met when I
was down there for those four months. Yeah, man, Brian,
be in touch, shoot me a a messenger or hit
me up on ig at Quintessential stud Muffin and uh,
and we'll stay in touch and we'll figure out uh
some of the old stuff from O two.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, that is so awesome. That's cool. I'm glad he's
able to make that connection.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, he has some footage of your managing stuff back
then NW a main event. Uh yeah, to.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
A main event uswo And I can't remember the third one.
I worked for Tony Falk, Mike Porter, Burt Prenis maybe once,
so those might have been the three. Maybe just Burt
Prenice once, but h yeah, because I was down there
for oh wait, I did one small show in McMinnville,
(30:43):
but I almost forget even for who and what the
name of the the company was. But yeah, I was
down there in Nashville for about four months trying to
be local and get back on with t NA.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
It is crazy. That's crazy, Okay, voice voice. I know
we still got some more discord questions. I know we
have them from night Wing. So let's go ahead and
get to one of our discord questions just a weekend.
Make sure we stay in true to the guys that
come into discord, because that's the only way you guys
are gonna get this exclusive type of treatment here. And
how you got to join the discord. I keep telling
you guys every episode, make sure that you join it.
(31:16):
And we have night Wing here, and he says, could
you ask him for me? Was he not offered the
chance to go to THEWF with the Dudley's when they
left ECW.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
It's a tricky I ever want to overstep and feel
like I know the answer to the question. More so
I always take a step back, and I pref it
by saying it's a tricky question. On the one hand,
when in ninety nine, when Baba and Devon were getting
ready to leave, and when I was getting ready to
(31:56):
sign my first contract and get the TNN gig, this
is all happening in Act two of ninety nine, all
of it like April to August. Everything is going down
in those weeks, and at one point I think before
I signed the contract, but Bubba was probably privy to
(32:17):
knowing that I had been presented a contract to sign.
They pulled me aside into a room kind of I think,
to say, now you know, act's gonna get split up.
We have it, we're going and I don't know if
they were trying to tell me, don't sign yet, we'll
(32:38):
take you with us. There's interest in you. So that's
as far as that goes. I don't know anything else.
I do know during there was a time I think
before I had signed my deal. I think before or
when I had the deal on that I hadn't signed
(32:59):
it yet. When you're kind of like, you never think
you're going to look back, you know, twenty eight years,
twenty six years after something, you know what I mean,
It's just you're just living your life. So it's I
can't remember exactly what month, what year this happened, but
I wound up on the phone with Terry Taylor, who
(33:20):
time was with WWF, and he told me there was
interest in me being the manager for their version of
the Public Enemy and what I mean essentially the Public
Enemy Rocko and Johnny and they were going to come
into WWF and have me doing you know, the intros
(33:42):
for them, and we talked possible potential money. And at
the end of the day, the Dudley's pulling me into
a room happened. Me being on the phone with Terry
Taylor happened. And even if that's a little bit after
the after I signed my first deal, or you know,
(34:03):
maybe the deal had been breached at this point, like
I don't or I don't know. I'm not sure you know,
the chronology, like I said, a little bit fuzzy, But
both of those things happened whenever they happened, the Dudley's
pulling me into the room before they left, me on
the phone with Terry Taylor at the end of the day.
The result is that I stuck it out and I
kind of went down with the ship. I did get
(34:25):
east at the very end that allowed me to be
able to talk to WWFWCW. So I don't want to
say I went down with the ship to imply that,
like here's March of two thousand and one, and here's Paul,
you know, eight pm, nine pm showing up at the
(34:47):
desk on raw and I am still obligated to ECW.
It wasn't that deep but for all intents and purposes,
it was because effectively, you know, I hadn't left for WWF,
I hadn't left for WCW. I got a release that
would allow me to be able to talk to them
(35:09):
without there being contract tampering. I basically I was on
the phone with Paul and I said, Paul, I'm never leaving.
I said, you're my mentor. You gave me this break,
you gave me this spot. The pay is like I
have no reason to leave, Like I don't want out,
and I'm seeing different writing on the wall, and I'm
(35:30):
reading news and I'm seeing things happen and it almost
seems like a fade a complete and it almost seems
like there is no ship to hold on too. And
that's the vibe I'm getting. And especially if that's not true,
you know, I would need you to tell me, because
you're a better arbiter of where things stand. And I
(35:52):
basically asked him, you know, I want, I need to
do what's right for me and my family. What you know,
should I stay? What should I do?
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You know?
Speaker 4 (36:04):
I and I forget how I phrased it, but he, uh,
you know, he but not that he wanted to get
rid of me. But he basically told me that, uh,
you know, perhaps I was right, it was time and
uh and he would grant me a release. So so
was there an opportunity for me to go to the WWF.
(36:25):
I don't maybe, I mean, you know, whatever you can
glean from that. And then there was ECW One Night
Stand and I did the five show, the first one,
and Tommy was Talent Relations Tommy Dreamer, and he was like,
treat it like an audition. I treat everything every time
(36:46):
I go through the curtain. I treat it like it's
my first time. I treat it like it's my last time.
So he said, I treat it like it's an audition.
So of course I did, and then, uh, you know,
didn't hear anything. And then they did the show and
I was six. That led to the Sci Fi Show
and I wasn't on that, And then I did the
(37:09):
TNA E CW reunion show in twenty ten that I
think the other day or last week was the fifteenth
anniversary celebration of that. But yeah, was there a chance
for me to go to w w F or WWE.
Maybe maybe it just uh didn't play out that way.
(37:33):
It wasn't in the cards, so I haven't disqualified, you know,
I'd love I mean, you know, I'm a non wrestler,
I'm not physical, I'm not an athlete, so I'm still
in my prime, you know, so i'd love you know,
I would entertain any you know, any full time regular
(37:53):
you know TV work with a major company. I would
absolutely love to talk with them if they they thought
that they might have something for me. It's just, you know, here,
I am, gosh, five weeks away from turning fifty, and
you know, just as of yet, I have only worked
for WWE. I want to say two days in my life,
(38:19):
right for one night standout five, but really only did
one day worth of work, and then I went to
Stanford one day to sit down and do talking head
stuff for DVD projects. So worked for WWE two days
out of my life. So, and they treat me very well.
On the website. Every Hanukkah, they put me over as
(38:40):
a you know, as a Jewish wrestling superstar, a top
fifty greatest Talkers in the History of the business list
and they had met at the number forty nine on there,
which you know, I was kind of like, huh forty
Now I'm kidding. No, I was thrilled to even be
(39:01):
on it because, you know, as somebody who only did
the One Night Stand pay per view, so never done
any WWF pay per views, never done Raw SmackDown anything
like that, to even be included in that list is
is really really cool. So I don't know, time will tell,
you know, I would love nothing more than if you know,
(39:24):
chronologically when the time comes that it's Paul's preference that
he just does not want to be on the road
anymore or whatever, or doesn't want to be in his spot.
And you know, if they were to come to him
and say, you're irreplaceable, but what can we do about
trying to get the next best thing? I would love
it if he would pass the torch to me. That's
(39:47):
something that that would be amazing, be wonderful, and I
so I don't disqualify that, you know. So I keep thinking,
like I said, I'm turning fifty, but for somebody, what
I do. You know, I remember watching Lou Albano and
I remember watching Freddy Blasti and those guys were not
Spring Chickens when I was watching them in the eighties,
(40:09):
So yeah, you know, I you know WWF, I don't know.
Maybe in the future, who knows, you know, yes, yes, no, no,
we shall see.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
I would love that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I would absolutely love that. And hey, I mean, look
at look at Paul himself, who as you. I see
him as a big inspiration for what I do. He's
not you know, he's not an athlete or anything like that,
and he's one of the biggest figures in ww right now.
I would love to see that torch get passed to
you because you're so like watching stuff that you've done.
You're so incredibly talented. I'd love to see the neck
(40:41):
brace and the bow tie come back once again on
my television. That would be amazing. But listen, we only
got a little bit of time with you, so I
just got it like two more questions left for myself
and then I get one more here from voice. You
were talking about the AHL earlier, and I thought that
was to me, it was it was. It wasn't random.
But what it let me know is that you're you're
(41:03):
kind of in tune with what's going on on today's product.
So as somebody who's who was once again super talented
as you were and sees wrestling the way that you
see it, and mentored by somebody like Paul Hayman. What's
your thoughts on the current vibes of or the state
of where wrestling is at right now? Do you catch
Monday Night raw ae W?
Speaker 4 (41:22):
What?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
What are you watching? What are you checking out?
Speaker 4 (41:25):
I watch everything, some of it a few months back
on and that's just because I try to watch all
of everything, and then I'm watching movies and TV. My
wife is a Hollywood publicist, so we're always trying to
watch a little bit of non wrestling stuff too. But yeah,
(41:45):
I you know, I'm I'm kind of into everything. I
still watch everything. I think business is good. I think
the state of the business is uh is on one
hand great, I think, uh, you know, just first world problems,
you know what I mean, Like it's a little bit overposed, right,
there's a little bit of oversaturation. I don't want to be.
You know, back in my day we had and if
(42:09):
you were lucky at TV, but we did, and back
in my day, you could be spending a lot of
money on sixty dollars VHS tapes, a lot of money
on pay per views, a lot of money on live
event tickets, and a lot of money on merch and
you could be spending a lot of money, maybe even
a lot more than some people pay now because there's
(42:29):
so much out there for free. But back in my day,
you could spend a lot of money and be a
huge fan and yet and still the wrestling calendar for
the week went from Friday night to Sunday and that's
it until I guess there was Prime time wrestling, and
(42:50):
I guess there was Tuesday Night Titans, but all and
to spend then the Monday Night Wars. You could argue
that there was Monday, but then beyond Monday, there was
no Tuesday wrestling, there was no Wednesday wrestling, there was
no Thursday Front. Now there's wrestling every day of the week.
Not it's a bad thing. I'm saying, if we're gonna
nitpick and try because the state of the business is
(43:13):
so good to find some bad in it. It's maybe
a little bit oversaturated. But yeah, I mean, if that's
the worst thing, I think it's hot, you know what
I mean. I think w is firing on all cylinders.
I think AW is quite viable. I think TNA is
(43:38):
you know, they're kind of a They come across a
bit as a sub of WWE or as a mental
for WWE like Legacy does for UFC, you know, like
AWEC did for UFC, Like they kind of come across
like that. But at the same time, the bean Counters
(44:00):
are probably thrilled that, you know, business is up and
business is booming, and they had thousands and thousands of
people on Long Island and just things are good, you
know what I mean. R O H got saved and
it's part of aw So this brand is still going.
So and the indies, you know, it used to be
(44:24):
you know, you were lucky if you could get three
hundred people to come to your indie show. And and
now you know, the indies are out there competing with
each other. You know, who's going to get a thousand
next and who's gonna get two thousand next, And you
know it's just there's there's a lot of money out
there for sports entertainment and pro wrestling. So those are
(44:44):
my thoughts. I think the business is super strong.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah for no, I agree with you absolutely and great
to get your thoughts on it as well. I got
one more, but first voice, I want to go ahead
and give it to you. We we got to let
him slide out of here. But last question, last thoughts
would you got for the Quinn to Senil stud Muffin
Joel Gertner.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
All right, Joel, thank you so much for your time
and this and uh, you know that's the most valuable
thing we have and throughout your career with ECW, I
I need to ask, what is your favorite Joey Styles
line that you've ever heard him utter?
Speaker 4 (45:25):
My favorite Joey Styles line. First one that comes to
mind is when I took total elimination. And we've been
watching ECW going back to the beginning to and I
still can't remember whether because he's used this line about
three times, I can't remember whether I'm the first one
(45:47):
that he said it about or not. But I take
total elimination and Joey goes, Wow, somebody called Joel's parents
tell them he's not coming home ever. And I think
at a couple of other times, but I may have
(46:09):
been the first, but that's definitely the first Joey Styles
line that comes to mind. I remember I enjoyed calling
him Ferris Buehler one time.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yeah, I absolutely adored your guys's on screen presence. You guys,
you guys made e c W. Uh that extra layer,
that that extra Sprinkle on the Sunday and uh you
you two were my absolute favorites.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Uh nice voice the promo for TNN.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
When when you and Paul just went off on the
execs of TNN and you want to get rid of
it now, like just the fact. And it was funny too,
because the way you delivered it was like somebody who
who might actually know the truth.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
He said it with the utmost confidence, and I'm like,
is this really happening?
Speaker 3 (47:14):
You had me hooked, sir. Everything you've done in there,
you've had me hooked like a fish.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
Thank you, dude, No problem, no problem.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
It's just been such a blast to talk to. I
wanted to make sure we got that in. But like
I said, we're gonna let you slide. But I got
one final question for you, Joe, one final question. And
it's not fancy. It's not all in ring this and that,
blah blah blah. I gotta ask you this now. About
a month or so ago, myself and the Voice here,
we went back and we watched the nineteen ninety nine
(47:45):
November to Remember pay per view was a two part episode.
Our fans loved it. It was great, it was awesome.
But in the very beginning of that, there was an
en ring segment with yourself and Taz, and this is
the segment that you ended up, you know, respectfully, getting
choked out by task. But that's not that's not the
story here, all right, because I noticed one thing, and
(48:07):
the only thing I noticed is that when when you
drop down to the ground, a joint fell out of
your pocket. And I was when we said that. When
I saw that, I focused on nothing else. I focused
on nothing else. I was like, did did a joint
just fall at a Joey pocket? Is this what happened?
And I told myself on this very episode, you guys
can go back and listen to that episode. I said,
(48:29):
if I get to talk to Joe Gern, if I
get the privilege and honor to talk to Joe, I'm
going to ask that man, and I'm gonna ask you now,
did a joint fall out of your pocket?
Speaker 4 (48:39):
I can neither confirm nor That's not me dodging or
ducking the question. That's I can neither confirm nor deny because,
on the one hand, at that time in ninety nine,
I never smoked before or during a show. It would
(49:05):
have only been after. So in that respect, I say
to myself, there was no reason for it to be
in my pocket at that time. So no, but I
don't gotta look closely, and you know, I don't know,
is it the Grassy Knoll? And were there two shooters?
And you gotta really focus in on it because if
(49:28):
it looks like a joint, really and it seems like
a joint, and it must be a joint. So I'm
not coming out here to say in nineteen ninety nine
that it couldn't have been Miss Barbozoa in the kitchen
with red herring, because Miss Barbozola never had a red herring.
It could have conceivably been a joint. I don't I
(49:55):
I would take the under h but it is not impossible.
It is not beyond the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Oh I love it.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
That's what you need to be work.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
You need to watch out though, because we do have
a conspiracy show on this channel, So we will and
we will make you a subject. My friend.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
I love it. I love it. Now we have a
running gag here then to receive Joe Gertner rolled it.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
You're gonna be that fingerprint.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
I would say, Sandman's fingerprints is probably all over that one.
It's just the stories I've heard of that. Man.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Oh man, what an awesome time. Man, this was a great,
great episode, and man, it was such a joy to
have you on the show, to speak to you, to
soak in your knowledge, to hear your stories. Man, I
just want to say on behalf of myself, on behalf
of the voice here, everybody here in the household and
our whole team, thank you so much for taking your
(50:58):
time to come and chat with us here in your house.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Man, thank you guys for having me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
No problem, guys. That is the Quinn Tosential stud Muffin,
Joe Girdner and guys. This is just a block of
shows that you can catch here in your house. It
has been great checking this out. If you guys do
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subscribe and everything like that this is the quality of
guests that we are giving you, guys, And it's all
(51:47):
part of the work. And that's howsc and the W
stands for work so far. A great guest, The Quinn
Essential stud Muffin Joe Girtner and the Voice Josh Joseph
Ali Khanda con have house here to tell you, to
tell a friend, to tell a friend, to tell a
friend to hop on this bandwagon, get on or get
(52:08):
gone because the household is still going mighty strong. You guys,
have a great day and a great rest of your week.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Peace in your house with no condon and your kind
of your house.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
House fighting word of your house. The prop He's added
the clouds creating no kind of louds, wrestling in front
of the crowds. Parent gots holding it down. Anybody can
anybody can't get it, guys. Joseph Downing one six. He
has the voice. There is no choice. Here's some choice
in your house making wrestling noise and going back. It's
like cruise a weight action. Your house is the perfect distraction.
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You probably see clears when you win traction. Get this
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