"What if you had to leave your home overnight—and never return?"
Avinash was just a child when his family fled Kashmir in fear. Decades later, he returns—not for revenge, but for healing.
In this heartfelt episode of UnScripted Wisdom with Anku Goyal, he shares what it means to lose everything and still find the strength to serve the land that once exiled you.
Have you ever felt torn between memory and moving on?
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Avinash was just a child when his family fled Kashmir in fear. Decades later, he returns—not for revenge, but for healing.
In this heartfelt episode of UnScripted Wisdom with Anku Goyal, he shares what it means to lose everything and still find the strength to serve the land that once exiled you.
Have you ever felt torn between memory and moving on?
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/indiapodcasts-we-hear-what-you-want-to-say--4263837/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
See. When I left, I had the very I was
young and the only memories I had were very very,
a lot of pain. I was into modeling, but not
like very professionally, but little bit here and there and
loans of bath and I spoke to few of the
people more and then I did my lot of research
and I found out that really they had come on
(00:21):
a main stream part after doing the.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
There's people who know you from before.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It took a lot of time for my friends to
accept the fide death. Even my family, my brother felt
what he's doing, it's fake, it's fake. No, it's like
one more escape. It's but I's a spiritual heavy Yet
I was so.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Scary to go and expose yourself to extreme.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
In the beginning, I was not scared, but I went.
When I went into inside, then I got real scared.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
As for taking out time today, WI is real real
a moment for me to have you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
On India podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I have a story with you.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I am meeting you up to thirteen years where
only I met you thirteen years back, and I don't
know whether you remember having noticed me. So that was
an ashrom in Bangalore and I had my first course
where even you took one of my session.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It was the Advanced Course of Art of Living in Bangalore.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So since that day, I think in twenty twelve two
twenty twenty four year here I had this memory of
you sharing a small snippet of where you came from.
And that is why it has been so close to
me to meet you. So thank you for giving this time.
But today I want that story out from the box
that where have you come from? Where is Aku coming from?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So I was born in Kushmt. Let's go that back.
So I was born in kush Meet and let's where
I spent my childhood till eight years of my life.
And I mean, as people say, Kashmi is a paradise
on the planet Earth, it is. And I mean I
still remember my time when I was growing up. It
was beautiful landscapes, we had a joint family, we had
(02:11):
pretty big houses to live in, so life is absolutely perfect.
And yeah, and then unfortunately the exodus happened and sadly
we had to leave Kushmir in a very sad time,
not very very anybody would have wanted like that. So
(02:31):
that's where life took a very interesting turn.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Have you ever gone back to Kashmir after that? Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yes, I have gone there post twenty ten a couple
of times. And then it's in the last years I
have been now working in Kashmir to bring Gourdair's wisdom
and to peace and bringing a lot of change in
the mindsets there.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So you going back to Kashmir and leaving Kashmir, there's
a lot of story in between which I would want
to touch upon. To begin with, how do you want
to define today when we talk about Kashmir, it is
a tourism, paradise, surrender. We do talk about conflict then
and now. So when I when you want to know
from you, how is Kashmir changed for you?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
See? When I left, I had the very I was young,
and the only memories I had were very very lot
of pain, leaving the house in a distress overnight and
then suddenly settling down a place which is like one
twenty at the size of the house we were living in,
and then the families got separated, so that was it
(03:35):
was very very had bigger houses, I mean, I will
say the biggest house in the country. We'll find ushi,
the average house of any other city, and Kashmi will
be at least two to three times bigger. Everybody has
a big house. Everybody is a garden, there are trees.
It's it's like it is paradise. It is. There is
no to ways about it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So when you left, it was not very pleasant to
have left a pleasant place.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh yeah, because I mean the first of all, the
basic thing was the temperature difference. I mean, we used
to have nothing more than thirty degrees, and then suddenly
I'm at forty five, forty seventy. I had an garden
and a ground to myself, and then suddenly I was
like one small room. So that was a lot of changes,
and unfortunately the entire thing had to be changed. The
(04:21):
way we were looking at life, how we're adjusting finances,
it was very different.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, you had left Kashmir, as you said, because
of Exodus nineteen ninety, which is something I think we
all have only seen you never experience or break through
what you might have gone through that evening. I would
want that memory back. But also before that, I want
to know an external issue led you to leave that journey,
and today you're going back to that land by choice.
(04:50):
So which is working better? How do you look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So as I have said that, you know, leaving that
place was the most painful, and there was a sense
of I will say, revenge I had in my head
because we I mean, overnight you have two big houses,
you have everything is perfect, picture perfect, how you see
a family, and then certainly overnight you don't have anything
like you know. Later my house was also good house,
(05:14):
god burnt.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Was it like overnight?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was overnight. It was overnight that we had to leave,
just like it was like there was no time to plan,
there was nothing, so that we had to leave, and
that's how the circumstances were, unfortunately, because things are bad.
And then when we left later on after a year
or two years, our house was burnt. So then that
(05:37):
this the even the scope of going back finished because
that is the thing everybody thought, okay, small little situation,
so everybody did not even plan to go like that.
That's how people left. But later everybody realized, ka, this
is not happening, and then many houses are burnt unfortunately,
(06:01):
in which my house was also the one in which
so then though the entire hope and that thing that
we can go back got over.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So the revenge was because your house was burned.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The house was burned because all these things, like, you know,
you can see that the revenge was. I thought, that
is how it was.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, do you see any of them? Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, that day it was. It was scary, it was
it felt very very unsafe. You saw a lot of guns,
You saw a lot of hostile environment, even though our
neighbors and the people around were very very helpful. But
then there was a chunk of people who were very
(06:44):
very were.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They selectively thrown out only there.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
In those Yeah, they were. And that is how which
is the sad part that shouldn't have happened, because the
amount of close bonding which people had with people that
somehow got broken down because they're the close knit which
I come because I was young, because I find out
from my parents and from my relatives that you know,
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they were very very close knit, the Hindus and the
Muslims and the relatives and the neighbors. There was no
barriers as such. So then also that that fabric also
broke down unfortunately. But now I feel things are mending up.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But what took away the feeling of revenge was it
a temporary feeling.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So that is where the life changed, so and I
was and growing up in so now I have come
from Kashmid, which is which is that kind of an
area which has a lot of when I go to
chendigt So Panjab again, so you imagine a mix of
Kashmir and Panja put together makes you much with more energy,
more energetic, more aggressive more so I was growing up
(07:57):
very very aggressive. I will say extreme high energy like
super high energy sports, physical activities, playing fights for no reason,
pickup fights. So that is how it was. And then
I came to Bombay for my engineering.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So she chose everything that takes you to the hedge.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'm not sure about I chose engineering, but somehow because
my parents wanted me to do the engineering. I was
never every interested, but you know how, And that's how
Kashmiri typical Kushmiri funded family is. You know, they would
want their kids to become doctors and engineers.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Is that so? Yeah, they want them lawyers and doctors.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Lawyers not now, yes, but at that point of time,
engineering doctors were the only two things that you're given
respect rest. Everything was like okay, no businessman, oh no,
very like rare rare like, and business was not considered
very like Kashmiri is believed in education. Like that's why
(09:01):
the pundit's if you'll say Kashmiri pundit's not because of
the ritualistic part, not because they were like priestly. It
was the fact because they were very learned men. So
a lot of wisdom, a lot of wisdom has come
from Kashmir. Kashmir has been a land of wisdom. Okay,
I didn't know, Yeah, land of wisdom. You will be
astonished to know a lot of our ancient scriptures have
come from Kushmi. There's an entire wing called as the
(09:24):
Kashmiri Sharism, which talks about Tan Kravich talks about a
lot of things has come from Kushmir. The origin is Kashmir.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So you took everything to Chundergir and Punjabis.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And I have no idea whether I took that because
I had no idea that existed in Kashmir. I found
that lattle, but at the same time I was junking.
It was a place where I really really loved because
Punjab again is a place where people are very full
of heart and is very very pretty, very organized. I
luckily I got into a very good school. So things
was but what.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Again changed you? You were doing you were out in
them world fighting with everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So then in engineering when I went to again, engineering
was I will say, full of all those things that
should not be doing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Engineering is.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I mean you want to experience everything, but especially
in Bombay, in bomb Mustling City, for Musling City, you've
never seen size cramped down, do nothing, the rooms, the
space is more.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Cramped and yeah, but that was okay because the entire
glamor of being in Bombay used to supersede everything because
you know, the moment you to you think you can
also be a hero. You can you can be you
had that. I had that thought. I used to like
do little bit here and there wherever I used to
get a chance, like so I used to do a
little bit of money.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm founding as a Kashmir person, very pretty, he's a
very pretty So were you also given the benefit, Lenk.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't know, but maybe yes, But yeah, so I was.
I was into modeling, but not like very professional, but
little bit here and there sometimes for my college, for
my fashion shows and all those things. But then also
into sports. I used to also be leading my cricket
and my basketball teams in college and always an outstanding
student in terms of being outside the classed nobody. I
(11:15):
used to be very from the different side of the table.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I used to be an outstanding so to create the
ruckers and you should be noticing.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You're always somehow and yeah, so so college was really
really fun. I will say, like super high funco both
come cheesy. Are the many classmates of seeking. You give
a classmate you were doing everything else, that is, except
except which nobody knew in my family.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Then what changed you? You were into a mode which
you came from a baggage. Yeah, playing around in the
world with all with all confidence, because people with baggage
generally lose their confidence.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I thought you somehow it was there, but that confidence
was amongst like you know, selected collected people. But when
it came to giving a presentation in front of my class,
that was like a no for me. I still remember
third semester presentation anything and ten minute presentation, thirty seconds,
I like just finished it. But that was like, because
(12:17):
that is how it is now. You are confident at
a certain space, but the moment you're put in front
of the audience, especially to people whom you know me
reputation imag youre infected by this majorly image.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You were protected.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, very much. I mean iose to be.
I mean I used to be very much about fashion,
new style.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
What how, what makes you look good? And everything?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Everything their style, which is the latest look, which is
the latest trending, which is the latest gene fashion? I
mean every time I remember my job and the other
when we will take niegeens. So every new fashion, every
new fade of the.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And it all happened because you got exposed to a
very city.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Urban life is also like that. But Kashmir, we don't
expect you to have so much demands. But maybe people
are more happy with me.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, but I left. But growing up also has a
lot of the glamour in one space.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It is like you smell money.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
You smell money, you can see it on the so
then and then bombay. So yeah, but then my final
semester I was where the life really took a new turn.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You failed.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, I failed many times. I failed in the festial room,
and not like marginally with a big margin. I failed
so and I know somehow I was never taken aback
by that failure.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You're not a person to fail, okay goes.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Into different nothing. I use was celebrating my failure, but
that we had a party of the day. We all
lun We had a celebration about that.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So that's a very disobey and destructive, you know. Yeah,
somehow the one.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Who must have done must be thinking.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Many they used to feel very pushed.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
My flat was very close to my college, and it
was a place there all the parties, all the parties
would happen, and nobody would once they come to my flad,
they will not teach college. That's it. That will stay
back there. So that is how it was, and it
was My life was like if I put it in
the words, there was no direction. It was extreme hierargy,
without any direction at all.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So you were saying that was also a happy life.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You were happy, very very happy, And I was not
looking for any direction. I was feeling this is how
it is, that's how it will go. Not like him
then that, but he can he get maybe sometime. But
then one of my roommates who was witnessing all this
(15:11):
cures in front of him, and he was a very
sincere person, very sincere, like you know, like that, you
know there's one person who's He was a couple of
years elder to me and he was doing his MBA
is my roommate, and but that one person who we
can look up to, you know, like ideal and you know,
so obviously our ideologies never matched. But I used to
love and respect him for the fact that how he was,
(15:32):
and he used to really take care of me. So
he used to get really really irritated. Not irritated, he like,
what is happening at this point, the fact that what
used to happen because my mother used to ask him,
how is the winnas doing, how his study is doing?
Is he going to call it and what will he say?
He was like, yeah, yeah, he's doing well.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Asn't guilt to lib yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So he was like feeling very reguilt about machining. So
one day he said, he said, just come and he
gave me a big, big lecture and he said, you
have to go through this ardling workshop. I said, what
is He said, just this is a workshop. It will
(16:14):
change your life. I said, but have you done it?
He said no. Then he said no, I know this
is going to help you and it will go to
channelize your energy for good. Sounds like in his room, Miniga,
I just shut up and do it simultaneously. Now, just
(16:38):
a little before this, before he had told me about
artening one of my college friends who used to be
with me in the modeling space. So she used to
tell me course, and I mean, I have to accept
I was a bully, like coming from Kashmir, and kashmiris
I mean, now people have seen how many Kashmiri's are
like so popular on the front especially something so you
(17:00):
can see a sense of sarcasm.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right, sarcasm. I think their sense of humor is very there.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
A sense of human and sarcasm is very very.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
High, very intellectually.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, and that is normal, like you know for many
Kashmiri's it is very That is.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Why now I get every looks at each other.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh yeah, I mean, and they will not even like
they will like past one comment only like the first
meeting will be like a very sarcastic. So now that
sarcasm of kashmiaggression of Punjab and then glamor of Bombay,
I was a bullyman. You don't think anybody is anybody
like Hurrican pushing up. So I ridiculed that girl so much.
(17:39):
I bullied her so much that she stopped talking about
tartening in the college. She's like, like, ESK. But suddenly
what happened in my roommate he pushed, And now I'm like,
oh my god. Yeah, So I went back to of course.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like me.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And that is how I enrolled. I had no clue
what is going to happen? Nothing, what is art of living?
What is spirituality? Spirituality? Exams La SAR attendance open and
you will pass. And then suddenly I signed up and
(18:23):
for a workshop and I've told these two amazing, incredible
teachers from my I t will be contacting the workshop.
And that was like an selling point for you.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It gives you a click.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And especially for a person who has done engineering, who
has not reached anywhere, they understand.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Key at least you to respect that very much like.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Push to life making. And that's how I ended up
in a workshop, having no clue about what's going to happen.
And and it was a very different environment. You know,
when you're entering a spiritual class. People were like they're
putting a tica, there is Garlands, there is a picture
of division crit and I'm looking at the back and
I'm not med for this. Is not the everything I'm
(19:06):
like this is and I have come with a tone
jeans s I. I think, I think I'm in the
wrong place. But and the workshop started and first day
it was okay, nothing nothing, nothing is changed, nothing is great.
(19:27):
So I went back to my family, which casts a
and I went second day and that is where the
first so the shan Krea, which is like which you
are taught in the first startling workshop happiness program or
(19:47):
the Yes Plus. So I did a yes Press program.
So Yes Plus is a program especially for the youngsters,
mostly the college made students. And when I did my
first version Korea, I was just blown off. I was like,
what is this? I could not think anything. First time
ever in my life. My mind was thinking nothing. I
(20:09):
still remember I was sitting in a bus and I
was sitting in a double decer bus and I was
going back and I felt like I'm floating. I believe
that I'm floating, and I'm like Guardian Childry and Guardia.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's like something people feel after.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, exactly like that, like lost but happy, unnecessarily happy
and nothing in mind.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
The extra acknology with which you were running it all.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It all settled down. Yeah, then they had said second
day compulsory. I came back second day and by the
time I liked my teacher. My teacher was like incredible
and like you get the work change. This is somebody
I can look up to. Definitely, I t and hand teaching.
Such a nice workshop and the art of youth. Workshops
are a lot of fun. It's not like generally think ye spirituality,
(20:57):
the Queen Sun very knowing, a lot of games, a
lot of activities, and that you feel know there are
so many nice faces around you, like a chatty social
letter or life man. And I like my teacher very
much and like yeah. Both the chains and the workshops
went on, and then the last day they said, k
(21:20):
how in Kashmir, how many many militants have left their
arms and they have come on the mainstream. Now for
me sitting behind him enjoying the workshop, I'm fully and
I like ye manka Yeto emotional Blackmilker and long Bombay.
(21:42):
Make fact, there is no military and no RB and Bombay.
There are no militants which you find, so there is
you can create a nice sectional story around Kashmir, and
you know you can, so I felt, and everybody's saying,
oh my God, wow, this is not fair. So I
(22:04):
went back to my teachers. I really respect you, but
this story I don't really believe because this is this
is too much, is too much fiction.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But was it true?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And it was true? And then I found out that
really there were and I did my lot of research.
I told my teachers, I was like you so never
and loans of and I spoke to few of the
people and they were like milletance. And then I did
my lot of research and I found out that really
they had come on a main street part after doing
(22:36):
the art workshops. And then I went back to my
teacher and I said, if this is real and the
stories you're told real and these people are real, this
is what I'm going to do in my life because
this is what is needed in life in the world.
You got your purpose. And so this was my last
year of my workshop, and I decided because other Kashmir
(22:59):
Kik ex stream mindset, squadrapne, mainstream normal Kardia, I think
it is a big, big help for everybody. Yes, many
who left for many many many many for whatever reasons
were did whatever, But finally you can give them a
way of Now you don't want a revenge. No, and
(23:21):
that is where it changed. That is where that entire
revenge changed from changing like you forgive them, I felt,
I literally felt that I mary margin, but I felt
a munbul. If somebody's mind changes, heart changes, that is
(23:43):
a long lasting. But of course satisfaction, but I don't
think it was satisfaction on your life. Like how good
they says, an, I make everybody's blind?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
How does gurud happen to you?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
See?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Connecting to art of living courses people, as you say,
we can take whatever we can.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yes. So then so that purpose kind of came and
I decided to become full time. So I was just
finishing my degree, and with my degree, I started voluntary
and again now I got one more very good purpose
for not going to college.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
You never got educational mainstream education, so you found something
that you wanted to educate about life.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So then, I mean previously it was like for fun.
Now I like chuck around Colin. But yeah, so but
I became very sincere to what I was studying. So
the imagiate effect was on my grades. My grades changed, Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
My god, what you did not like to do? There
also the.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Reflection, like I could not sit with books for more
than five minutes and.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You could manage to do it well.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh yes, like my last two semesters I cleared in
one shot and that too with pretty nice raids.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
How does that happen? It's like it be so easy.
What are you struggling with?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Is actually because see, I think when you're in that age,
when you are like eighteen nineteen eighty one, there is
so many things happening in yours. The system is changing,
your the physiological system is changing. There are hormones, there
are so many, so many things that's come in your life.
And in between that studying things. So the problem happens
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with the attention span. Yes, and when you're studying you
are thinking of something very random, and when you're doing
other things, you're thinking about I should have studied. So
the thing which shifted was because of the Susan Korea
and one more plane concentration technique stays taught. I could
just sit and concentrate without fail you would your mind
(25:47):
wouldn't wait, it will not go anywhere, so which allowed
me to score.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's not just we should rather be taught this in
school and.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Then one hundred and I'm telling you even after teaching
for so many years now almost seventeen years, it has
been like common.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Phenomen and you're a teacher now, I'm a teacher. Now
there's people who know you from before.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Will not Oh, it took a lot of time for
my friends to accept the fact that even my family,
my brother felt what he's doing is fake. It's fake. No,
it's like one more escape. It's as a spiritual yavy.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But then they realized, But when you connected with Gurud,
because you've taken a purpose which is not just teaching purpose,
as we little bit try to know about you, you're
also changing transforming line lives which are extremely baggaged or
in pain, especially with your courses in the j or prisoners.
So was this a choice you wanted to then take
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the toughest of the course.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Actually yes, because because for me one of the strong
points was kashmir k extreme minds. So change a million
look it certainly milling and I was in I was
traveling and teaching different places. Then I got a chance
to teach in the jail and thought, miracularky, this is
the place where I'll find those people.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I'm so scary to go and expose yourself to extreme.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
In the beginning, I was not scared, but I went
when I went into inside, then I got a little scared.
That is a very different story.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The prisoners staring into you.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I mean, so okay, I'll tell you so. So one.
I was around twenty six twenty seven that time, and
only experience of teaching the young students in the colleges,
and suddenly I go into hard jail. If you have
seen the jail, it's a pretty you haven't seen it
is pretty. No, it is really pretty in terms of
because the way they have managed definitely another like people
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go there just to get arrested so that they get
that kind of a treatment. It is so nicely done. Yeah,
they take a lot of good care about So when
I entered, the walls are very very high, like almost
till like second flow of a building. A little more
than that. When you're entering those words, you feel little
where am I entering. They put a little thing on
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your head. Then they put a stamp on you stamp
or welcome nickname, welcome job, visitors, ur's anything, put the
up yes, stamp by jacket midway like I mean it
is it is just a normal stamp in your head.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Now this is very important.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
This is the most critical part. Otherwise, whoever you are,
if you don't have a stamp, you are inside, you're
an inmate. So now there's all walls, there's this stamp
or that is building up. And then I met the
jeweler and he was having a rough day, oh very
rough day. And he was from Haryana, so and Haryana
is a pretty very they might have been a very
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sweet language in a very sarcastic manner. So he was
I think having a night shift, and he was not
and he was not like yeah, yeah, not welcomed at all.
Now I felt, if I listened to him a little more,
I will not be inspired to teach myself. I just
sat down as meditated in my own little bit of breathing,
(29:31):
and I asked him, so can I start the workshop?
Said yes, go to the ground. And I go to
the ground, and I see there are two and fifteen
minutes just randomly roaming around in that ground football field.
So I come back as pretty guy because archy that
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was my first experience in jail. By chance, going Mary
Barth person of them, I am my life will be
in a big risk. So I came to don't worry
like first time, and they are like amateurs. Many job.
No I'm go in front of these two fifty people
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or you look like them, must qui teacher a pang,
So sort of frustrated we are when suddenly one person, yes,
a crowd suit double time. Yeah, thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
He's so.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
The crowd suit double times, as if they were doing
like a very big favor on me. And they started listening.
So I said pretty okay, of course, okay, because it
is playing my first person. I thought the activity is
always a good thing to engage people. But activity, so
(31:07):
up what courses my groups? Manic activity? Game the fire
in the Mountain he said, fire in the Mountain Runner,
And then you tell everybody genine process that's x number,
so many game killing very many game killing generle man
(31:36):
game the nam those minute look sub imagine they had.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
They had the whole system got alerted.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Forget about them. I got alerted. I'm like, oh my god.
Many other say the method permanently and or for di
solo this enthusiasm. Everybody such immediately changed the game like pause,
wait time out O n groups. But should I more detail? No?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
My but but I wouldn't want to come out of it.
Do you need a whole podcast?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Just know that particular It is so when when you're
dealing so coming to the larger picture of your whole journey,
we now understand where you were, where you came from,
how it changed you. But connecting with the teachings that
we are taking ahead, how do you think in today's
world this can be made relatively and to a different
kind of people.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
You've got the youth, You've taught.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
The people who have literally taken aggression and revenge as
the mode to get themselves relief.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
How do you understand this?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
See, especially with the youth.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Let's focus on the youth today.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
See I think that is where like as I say,
they are the founding principles of any society. I mean,
how are your youngsters? Is that's going to shape the
entire country, the nation, the way it is going forward?
And that is where I think a lot of attention
has to go in in terms of the shaping the minds.
What are we putting in? What is the information we're
(33:32):
putting now? With the beautiful part is because he has
what I love about him, heats, there's nothing which he
is pushing down your throat. He gives a very very
simple techniques tools which you use and you suddenly see
(33:54):
a change in your life.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But today's youth, what are they finding relatable? Are the
areas where you've identified these are the issues which maximum
of us are suffering.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think one of the big issues is anxiety. Anxiety
about what anxiety about many many things. One is the
physical health. Second is about missing out on things like
which you got form that anxiety is happening to people.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So you think everybody wants to be everywhere?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, at least they want to be like that somewhere
maybe social media or in person?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is that good or bad? Because good to want everything
at least we are active.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
In thusis no, no, it is okay, but without anxiety
because for that anxiety is doing no, it is really
really creating into a panic situation and then they search
for quick tools to get out of it. Okay, anxiety
effect to Karna, Now, wahase, how are you handling that anxiety?
(34:49):
Because unfortunately what has happened is which were the two
building blocks for any young people to look up to
our parents and features? Yes, which I feel has not
it's not like that how you do before because parents
ki Batabi sablu parents and we are more cool?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
But are we not more techs intelligent?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
There is absolutely tech heavy hair, but experience also is
with the parents. I think you cannot deny the fact
that parents have such long experience of living life. Maybe
they have not lived in the text heavy life, but
they have lived that life. But somehow wook parents uncool
or the young generation things they are cool?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
How do you bridge this called generation gap?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
It is called generation gap? And I think I also
had the same gap. The fact that our workshop has
a brilliant module which addresses all these issues. Yes, program
where we kind of create a scenario they can look
from the both sides. And I'm telling you I have
had so many experience where the parents and the kids
(35:59):
have not been speaking for years just because post teenage
and all those things. Yes, the teen parents are like
what have you done? What has this workshop done to
these kids? They're like such a different person. It is
just a manner of how you can make them understand
shift absolutely that.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Wh know you've traveled abroad also, you've done not just
the experience which you told about the prisoners which are
breaking their valuers, your das and teacher, you break values.
That's the main thing, but you also had a motive.
You've been speaking to international crowd US Bulgaria. Do you
think in India we look at life differently though we
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are culturally much more profound and in abroad we see
them living more and more profound than us.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
How is this that, Hamara but Gi because how do
do you find that difference?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
No, there is definitely. I mean the way upbringing happens,
the way teachings happen, the school education, it's very different.
Or Shastroko Shastra in depth research we used American is
(37:09):
unfortunate because Ama, we were ruled so many years. It
al either by Britishers, by mal so many years to
Joahammara Wisdima, it got lost in so many years.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
We don't believe in our own exactly when they believe
in what they take.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Very many of them, like you must have seen right now,
make the amount of people who are coming from abroad
and like top notch people and they want to be there.
So I think it was very unfortunately that how Britishers
inculcated that feeling of inferiority for our own culture, okay,
and which we still are kind of having that baggage
(37:50):
shame of ah eight time logo, yoga eight time. This
is all superstitional, you jerdi put which so it is
all because they were at certain point time tested, done
a lot of research. But unfortunately this long slavery which
(38:11):
we had say severer kind of bringing out all those
So it is a task to.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Make you believe your own roads.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, it is a task sometimes. And then on top
of that, there are such a strong influence carry because
social media the West, so many things you see al
but thankfully I'm glad and now of social media also
is helping people to bring people on this path, okay,
because people are understanding health, the good way of living, meditation.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So I mean, have one anecdote, I have seen your
anecdote was very interesting, which you are at. But when
you're going out taking Gurudev's message as memory a story
jo so many which just took you off.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
The Indians are still there.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I think. But I think which I one is like
line that says make your smile cheap and anger expensive.
If you'll just understand this, you can really really shift
how your living life because take them on it in
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the moment, in the moment, we are ready or smile
that one and I think the other one I love
is he says, broaden your vision and deepen your roots,
like many people want to go big in.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Their life, but nice visionary.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Why India as a startup culture? Now, why we all
can't think of becoming?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Rather? Is it.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Because some looks over time podcast? What Lord?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Time?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Time awareness?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Your movement with.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Movements? See I'll tell you for me. I was. I
came to arterloving and I joined. I joined by force.
I like the service part of arloing, and I was
not very very sure about because you organization that change,
(40:42):
it takes some time for you to also. And I
was in a very big mode of doubt. And my
teacher had told me I like I said, it's between
you and him if you have to doubt and doubt
(41:03):
and whichever aspect of my life, I kind of put
a nowaday. He came with absolutely incredible ways to clear
my doubt. And in all my years, I've seen that
my eighteen years, that anything which I have wanted, anything
I even like small things, is not taken care of
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in the most extreme and the most incredible places.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Define some words which we definitely want to understand. A
short understanding from you. How do you look at the
word faith.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think it is the sense of life.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Should it be blind or should it be researched?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Faith is faith? Faith is faith. It just comes. It is.
It is not a thing which you can get. It
just it's happens to you. And I think every each
one of us has an inbuilt faither in us. I
mean the fact that we do online shopping true, I mean,
isn't it. I'm like, every single person has faith. I mean,
(42:05):
and after so many scams, still we don't stop. We
have faith.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Okay, Success I think.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Part of life which should not get to your head.
It should not get to your head like, oh my god,
I happen to success successful, because sometimes that ghost your
head and you usually lose track of your life. Success
is a part of life, and if with success, you
should be also ready that failures can also come. Okay,
(42:36):
possible relations for life. Okay, if you're making relations, you
have to take it for life life.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
There is the conflict in relation because now I think
that's also increasing with vocalizing.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
People want to.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Break off it's not working again. Times are changing. But
then you have to look in the longer aspect, like
is it if it is giving you a lot of
the there are some relationship which are very really toxius.
There is no doubt about it. But sometimes for some
silly reasons, I've seen people like for silly reasons like silly,
mean silly. I mean, then you're like, so I feel
(43:16):
there has to be somebody when you're linking to somebody.
If you are like, there is somebody who can you
can look up to?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
There is a need of a guru for everyone.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And everybody everybody, I think. I mean as simple as that.
I mean, we came from from one direction to one
one spot another spot. We come and we know the way.
Let's say you have to go from Bali to Tolgan.
You know the way, but automatically, what will you do
you Google Google seeking traffic copy.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yes, it makes it saves me.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It saves me time exactly Google map. Now that you
would ask people, so.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
One one way moortannt question that was the end you
want to ask is why is it necessary for everyone
to be on the path of meditation?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Can some people be evolved with that?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay? So a very simple, very thing I'll tell you.
So there are four states to a consciousness. One is
a state of being awake, Yes, you're we are or
awake right now. But in awake what happens? We are aware,
but we are not RESTful. The sec opposite to this
is sleep, whereas there is rest but there is no awareness. Yes.
(44:28):
The third is dream sometimes there is no awareness, there
is no rest. Yes, these three modes we automatically fluctuate between,
sometimes awake, sometimes sleep, sometimes dream. But then comes the
food state, which is the meditative state where there is
awareness and deep breast simultanous. Now it is like you
have a car which has four wheels and one will
(44:48):
is not working. What will happen will not be efficient? Yeah,
as simple as that. So when you have a possibility
of attending and going to that state which is the
the most which is the source of creativity, which is
a source of concentration, which is a source of joy,
why will you not want to go there? Yes, if
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you haven't done you're not aware, that is okay. But
if you're aware of not doing it, ignorance is please then,
I think, But is ignorance bless sometimes? Yess yeah, but
I think everybody should merit it.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
In the last seventeen years, your journey, it is seventeen.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Years actually now two thousand and six. I started. Now
it is nineteen year starting.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
If you have to look at yourself, because I think
you also say that we can look at ourselves, how
do you look at Has the transformation been gradual?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
It has been overnight like Exodus was overnight.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, even my first workshop was overnight. I mean that
was overnight and then gradually. I have also seen a
lot of changes in me. But I would want to
just put one word for my life. I mean extremely great,
with no gratitude that somehow God's wisdom and his path
came in my life and I could walk on this path.
(46:08):
And I'm blessed that I can share his wisdom, the
knowledge and the teachings he has given for us to
teach the world.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I can share that today so many people look up
to you. So do you feel sometimes like now I've
got a fand following?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, that is okay. But the fact is because it
is all because has given me that platform.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
You have that all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Is there is no ways if I don't have that,
I mean it won't happen. Only with his blessings and
is with his grace. I feel that is happening because
when we are teaching the spiritual workshops of artling, like
the Happiness Program or any workshop, it is one hundred
percent designed by Gurdev. Every single process he has designed,
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every single word he has told we are just like
an aper quarter. We just go there and like just teach,
for it has been taught to us. Obviously you put
a little bit of our element into it, like you know,
and that is the beautiful part. Every teacher has its
own favorite artillery, but everything is designed, trained and blessed
by him, which does the magic.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
When thought comes to me, you've seen the extreme people
have just spoken about criminal world violence. You've seen it all,
you've experienced it all, and then you're seeing the non
violent side.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So what do some of the life as for you.
You've seen people with guns, you've seen people with smile.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I think it is time. Like how I say, there's
a mix of good and bad people like good bad
in terms of let's say people who are really really
putting the rights to use, Like you know, you go
to the go to the work, earn well, spend money,
help your family, you're part playing your taxes and time
(47:52):
voting like all those things, and there are certain people
who want to create a lot of disturbance like bomb blast. Yeah,
like I mean that, I'm like a lot of maybe
because of whatever reason, somehow the society has branded them
as bad people. Now, the fact is the majority is good.
(48:14):
Super majority is good people. Isn't like majority people ask
them a plane hijacker. We thought majority is bad. No,
ninety nine percent is good people. H point of one
fraction is bad? Point one maybe not that? Like if
you put in your circle, you go and see look
in your circle. How many people do you know like
(48:35):
who have an absolute high hardcore background. No, very rare,
very rare, And that is how each one of us
will have very rare. We know what's so with the
person is enough, But ninety nine percent, eight person suffer.
(48:56):
The whole world is suffering because in ninety nine persons
very powerful chesus action leny, they are in action, very
in action their commitment levels. But action mine GUARDI conceilin.
(49:21):
It is all taken care of past the verification of
the koga so chill action magi commitment to create good
in society, and they create a natural to good people.
This point one will become very very diminished.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Then disrupting is so committed the energy of piece of self.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yes, and that is what good that has been doing.
He is creating a force people who understand. He's empowering
people to become strong internally and allowing them to control
back into society and have a belongings and have a
benmous without that, how can you help?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
This is such a message you've given. It is like
you've read the whole solution to the world is that we.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Are more powerful than that one any time, and we
have the power to change because we understand what is good.
And thankfully good there has given these techniques and tools
which can really give you in perfect, holistic, long lasting solution.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
So it is not enough to just go and vote
the right people. But I think everybody needs to perform.
There absolutely can't be rolled by only the.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We have to do our own.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Everybody has to do. Everybody has to do.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
It was so insightful. I can go on everything you said.
I think one needs a session. Because of the time crunch,
we're not able to go to the scene that you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
The r and that is Monday. I don't know how
many days you spend.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I spent, but one story just because I would love
to set so I was teaching a workshop. This was
only for people who are who had murder charges on them. Okay,
this was inside her self and now everybody is murder
(51:16):
cond some two three four five like that. And this
is a very intense, very serious batch where I mean
my jokes were just falling in the air. Nobody's laughing,
nobody's cracking up. And I generally asked them key, look humpey.
I didn't say healthy. This is my general question. Key
(51:41):
out of twenty and twenty people raise their head the
acknowledge love. They said, Key, healthy away for first game
your circumstances. I say, okay, but this was not what
we wanted. He said, He said the but Spens show
(52:02):
Tabad Marshman night and then he said, he said, it's
buried to Lashi Pak to my jail next time. Lash
and these two other people are pulling my leg with
the husband wife for BiH my.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
These are called psychopath.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
No idea what And I said, however you want to
And because in my head I could not fathom there
was not an iota of guilt regread nothing such people
change and in my head I'm thinking Key, I said,
what I have dreams a chief, but I'm without any guilt.
(52:45):
You will not believe. On sixth day of the workshop,
six day like one, two, three, four thive six day
when I was leading the workshop, the course got completed,
so our last he said, key other Ka Nicole. So
would you want to take this journey for? Will you
like go on the same path? The first hand which
(53:06):
God trace was this guy. And he said, first in
which promises? And we agree to all your promise. Today
I am promising you I will never ever ever look
into the direction of crime, he said, and he started crying.
(53:31):
I started crying. Everybody around crime.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
So the minds which are more firm can melt.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh yes, it is just you have to give a
little bit of love and solace. N n way they
can really come.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
I think your journey is a blessing that the person
who saw something very painful in his life, instead of
taking a revenge we read in mah Bar, you would
have been on a better path in supporting someone like you.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Then. So nice to have met you after thirteen years.
I am so happy.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I don't know how many such people might have met you,
and you don't know that they actually got touched by
your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
I don't know. We're doing what we can.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yes, without any intention, you're actually dropping in a thought
with everyone else.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
No intention is definitely to create a better world, at
least not for myself, for other people. And when you
see go to their working tireless, we think we can
do a little bit.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes, you guys look tireless all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Thank you, so you're welcome to me. Thanks a lot,
Thank you.
See. When I left, I had the very I was
young and the only memories I had were very very,
a lot of pain. I was into modeling, but not
like very professionally, but little bit here and there and
loans of bath and I spoke to few of the
people more and then I did my lot of research
and I found out that really they had come on
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a main stream part after doing the.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
There's people who know you from before.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It took a lot of time for my friends to
accept the fide death. Even my family, my brother felt
what he's doing, it's fake, it's fake. No, it's like
one more escape. It's but I's a spiritual heavy Yet
I was so.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Scary to go and expose yourself to extreme.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
In the beginning, I was not scared, but I went.
When I went into inside, then I got real scared.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
As for taking out time today, WI is real real
a moment for me to have you.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
On India podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I have a story with you.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So I am meeting you up to thirteen years where
only I met you thirteen years back, and I don't
know whether you remember having noticed me. So that was
an ashrom in Bangalore and I had my first course
where even you took one of my session.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It was the Advanced Course of Art of Living in Bangalore.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
So since that day, I think in twenty twelve two
twenty twenty four year here I had this memory of
you sharing a small snippet of where you came from.
And that is why it has been so close to
me to meet you. So thank you for giving this time.
But today I want that story out from the box
that where have you come from? Where is Aku coming from?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
So I was born in Kushmt. Let's go that back.
So I was born in kush Meet and let's where
I spent my childhood till eight years of my life.
And I mean, as people say, Kashmi is a paradise
on the planet Earth, it is. And I mean I
still remember my time when I was growing up. It
was beautiful landscapes, we had a joint family, we had
(02:11):
pretty big houses to live in, so life is absolutely perfect.
And yeah, and then unfortunately the exodus happened and sadly
we had to leave Kushmir in a very sad time,
not very very anybody would have wanted like that. So
(02:31):
that's where life took a very interesting turn.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Have you ever gone back to Kashmir after that? Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yes, I have gone there post twenty ten a couple
of times. And then it's in the last years I
have been now working in Kashmir to bring Gourdair's wisdom
and to peace and bringing a lot of change in
the mindsets there.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
So you going back to Kashmir and leaving Kashmir, there's
a lot of story in between which I would want
to touch upon. To begin with, how do you want
to define today when we talk about Kashmir, it is
a tourism, paradise, surrender. We do talk about conflict then
and now. So when I when you want to know
from you, how is Kashmir changed for you?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
See? When I left, I had the very I was young,
and the only memories I had were very very lot
of pain, leaving the house in a distress overnight and
then suddenly settling down a place which is like one
twenty at the size of the house we were living in,
and then the families got separated, so that was it
(03:35):
was very very had bigger houses, I mean, I will
say the biggest house in the country. We'll find ushi,
the average house of any other city, and Kashmi will
be at least two to three times bigger. Everybody has
a big house. Everybody is a garden, there are trees.
It's it's like it is paradise. It is. There is
no to ways about it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So when you left, it was not very pleasant to
have left a pleasant place.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Oh yeah, because I mean the first of all, the
basic thing was the temperature difference. I mean, we used
to have nothing more than thirty degrees, and then suddenly
I'm at forty five, forty seventy. I had an garden
and a ground to myself, and then suddenly I was
like one small room. So that was a lot of changes,
and unfortunately the entire thing had to be changed. The
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way we were looking at life, how we're adjusting finances,
it was very different.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You know, you had left Kashmir, as you said, because
of Exodus nineteen ninety, which is something I think we
all have only seen you never experience or break through
what you might have gone through that evening. I would
want that memory back. But also before that, I want
to know an external issue led you to leave that journey,
and today you're going back to that land by choice.
(04:50):
So which is working better? How do you look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So as I have said that, you know, leaving that
place was the most painful, and there was a sense
of I will say, revenge I had in my head
because we I mean, overnight you have two big houses,
you have everything is perfect, picture perfect, how you see
a family, and then certainly overnight you don't have anything
like you know. Later my house was also good house,
(05:14):
god burnt.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Was it like overnight?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It was overnight. It was overnight that we had to leave,
just like it was like there was no time to plan,
there was nothing, so that we had to leave, and
that's how the circumstances were, unfortunately, because things are bad.
And then when we left later on after a year
or two years, our house was burnt. So then that
(05:37):
this the even the scope of going back finished because
that is the thing everybody thought, okay, small little situation,
so everybody did not even plan to go like that.
That's how people left. But later everybody realized, ka, this
is not happening, and then many houses are burnt unfortunately,
(06:01):
in which my house was also the one in which
so then though the entire hope and that thing that
we can go back got over.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So the revenge was because your house was burned.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
The house was burned because all these things, like, you know,
you can see that the revenge was. I thought, that
is how it was.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean, do you see any of them? Oh?
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, that day it was. It was scary, it was
it felt very very unsafe. You saw a lot of guns,
You saw a lot of hostile environment, even though our
neighbors and the people around were very very helpful. But
then there was a chunk of people who were very
(06:44):
very were.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They selectively thrown out only there.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
In those Yeah, they were. And that is how which
is the sad part that shouldn't have happened, because the
amount of close bonding which people had with people that
somehow got broken down because they're the close knit which
I come because I was young, because I find out
from my parents and from my relatives that you know,
(07:09):
they were very very close knit, the Hindus and the
Muslims and the relatives and the neighbors. There was no
barriers as such. So then also that that fabric also
broke down unfortunately. But now I feel things are mending up.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But what took away the feeling of revenge was it
a temporary feeling.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So that is where the life changed, so and I
was and growing up in so now I have come
from Kashmid, which is which is that kind of an
area which has a lot of when I go to
chendigt So Panjab again, so you imagine a mix of
Kashmir and Panja put together makes you much with more energy,
more energetic, more aggressive more so I was growing up
(07:57):
very very aggressive. I will say extreme high energy like
super high energy sports, physical activities, playing fights for no reason,
pickup fights. So that is how it was. And then
I came to Bombay for my engineering.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So she chose everything that takes you to the hedge.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I'm not sure about I chose engineering, but somehow because
my parents wanted me to do the engineering. I was
never every interested, but you know how, And that's how
Kashmiri typical Kushmiri funded family is. You know, they would
want their kids to become doctors and engineers.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Is that so? Yeah, they want them lawyers and doctors.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Lawyers not now, yes, but at that point of time,
engineering doctors were the only two things that you're given
respect rest. Everything was like okay, no businessman, oh no,
very like rare rare like, and business was not considered
very like Kashmiri is believed in education. Like that's why
(09:01):
the pundit's if you'll say Kashmiri pundit's not because of
the ritualistic part, not because they were like priestly. It
was the fact because they were very learned men. So
a lot of wisdom, a lot of wisdom has come
from Kashmir. Kashmir has been a land of wisdom. Okay,
I didn't know, Yeah, land of wisdom. You will be
astonished to know a lot of our ancient scriptures have
come from Kushmi. There's an entire wing called as the
(09:24):
Kashmiri Sharism, which talks about Tan Kravich talks about a
lot of things has come from Kushmir. The origin is Kashmir.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So you took everything to Chundergir and Punjabis.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
And I have no idea whether I took that because
I had no idea that existed in Kashmir. I found
that lattle, but at the same time I was junking.
It was a place where I really really loved because
Punjab again is a place where people are very full
of heart and is very very pretty, very organized. I
luckily I got into a very good school. So things
was but what.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Again changed you? You were doing you were out in
them world fighting with everyone.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
So then in engineering when I went to again, engineering
was I will say, full of all those things that
should not be doing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Engineering is.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah, I mean you want to experience everything, but especially
in Bombay, in bomb Mustling City, for Musling City, you've
never seen size cramped down, do nothing, the rooms, the
space is more.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Cramped and yeah, but that was okay because the entire
glamor of being in Bombay used to supersede everything because
you know, the moment you to you think you can
also be a hero. You can you can be you
had that. I had that thought. I used to like
do little bit here and there wherever I used to
get a chance, like so I used to do a
little bit of money.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I'm founding as a Kashmir person, very pretty, he's a
very pretty So were you also given the benefit, Lenk.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't know, but maybe yes, But yeah, so I was.
I was into modeling, but not like very professional, but
little bit here and there sometimes for my college, for
my fashion shows and all those things. But then also
into sports. I used to also be leading my cricket
and my basketball teams in college and always an outstanding
student in terms of being outside the classed nobody. I
(11:15):
used to be very from the different side of the table.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I used to be an outstanding so to create the
ruckers and you should be noticing.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
You're always somehow and yeah, so so college was really
really fun. I will say, like super high funco both
come cheesy. Are the many classmates of seeking. You give
a classmate you were doing everything else, that is, except
except which nobody knew in my family.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Then what changed you? You were into a mode which
you came from a baggage. Yeah, playing around in the
world with all with all confidence, because people with baggage
generally lose their confidence.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I thought you somehow it was there, but that confidence
was amongst like you know, selected collected people. But when
it came to giving a presentation in front of my class,
that was like a no for me. I still remember
third semester presentation anything and ten minute presentation, thirty seconds,
I like just finished it. But that was like, because
(12:17):
that is how it is now. You are confident at
a certain space, but the moment you're put in front
of the audience, especially to people whom you know me
reputation imag youre infected by this majorly image.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
You were protected.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, very much. I mean iose to be.
I mean I used to be very much about fashion,
new style.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
What how, what makes you look good? And everything?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Everything their style, which is the latest look, which is
the latest trending, which is the latest gene fashion? I
mean every time I remember my job and the other
when we will take niegeens. So every new fashion, every
new fade of the.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
And it all happened because you got exposed to a
very city.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Urban life is also like that. But Kashmir, we don't
expect you to have so much demands. But maybe people
are more happy with me.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, but I left. But growing up also has a
lot of the glamour in one space.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It is like you smell money.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
You smell money, you can see it on the so
then and then bombay. So yeah, but then my final
semester I was where the life really took a new turn.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You failed.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, I failed many times. I failed in the festial room,
and not like marginally with a big margin. I failed
so and I know somehow I was never taken aback
by that failure.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
You're not a person to fail, okay goes.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Into different nothing. I use was celebrating my failure, but
that we had a party of the day. We all
lun We had a celebration about that.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
So that's a very disobey and destructive, you know. Yeah,
somehow the one.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Who must have done must be thinking.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Many they used to feel very pushed.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
My flat was very close to my college, and it
was a place there all the parties, all the parties
would happen, and nobody would once they come to my flad,
they will not teach college. That's it. That will stay
back there. So that is how it was, and it
was My life was like if I put it in
the words, there was no direction. It was extreme hierargy,
without any direction at all.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So you were saying that was also a happy life.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You were happy, very very happy, And I was not
looking for any direction. I was feeling this is how
it is, that's how it will go. Not like him
then that, but he can he get maybe sometime. But
then one of my roommates who was witnessing all this
(15:11):
cures in front of him, and he was a very
sincere person, very sincere, like you know, like that, you
know there's one person who's He was a couple of
years elder to me and he was doing his MBA
is my roommate, and but that one person who we
can look up to, you know, like ideal and you know,
so obviously our ideologies never matched. But I used to
love and respect him for the fact that how he was,
(15:32):
and he used to really take care of me. So
he used to get really really irritated. Not irritated, he like,
what is happening at this point, the fact that what
used to happen because my mother used to ask him,
how is the winnas doing, how his study is doing?
Is he going to call it and what will he say?
He was like, yeah, yeah, he's doing well.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Asn't guilt to lib yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
So he was like feeling very reguilt about machining. So
one day he said, he said, just come and he
gave me a big, big lecture and he said, you
have to go through this ardling workshop. I said, what
is He said, just this is a workshop. It will
(16:14):
change your life. I said, but have you done it?
He said no. Then he said no, I know this
is going to help you and it will go to
channelize your energy for good. Sounds like in his room, Miniga,
I just shut up and do it simultaneously. Now, just
(16:38):
a little before this, before he had told me about
artening one of my college friends who used to be
with me in the modeling space. So she used to
tell me course, and I mean, I have to accept
I was a bully, like coming from Kashmir, and kashmiris
I mean, now people have seen how many Kashmiri's are
like so popular on the front especially something so you
(17:00):
can see a sense of sarcasm.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right, sarcasm. I think their sense of humor is very there.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
A sense of human and sarcasm is very very.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
High, very intellectually.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, and that is normal, like you know for many
Kashmiri's it is very That is.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Why now I get every looks at each other.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh yeah, I mean, and they will not even like
they will like past one comment only like the first
meeting will be like a very sarcastic. So now that
sarcasm of kashmiaggression of Punjab and then glamor of Bombay,
I was a bullyman. You don't think anybody is anybody
like Hurrican pushing up. So I ridiculed that girl so much.
(17:39):
I bullied her so much that she stopped talking about
tartening in the college. She's like, like, ESK. But suddenly
what happened in my roommate he pushed, And now I'm like,
oh my god. Yeah, So I went back to of course.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Like me.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And that is how I enrolled. I had no clue
what is going to happen? Nothing, what is art of living?
What is spirituality? Spirituality? Exams La SAR attendance open and
you will pass. And then suddenly I signed up and
(18:23):
for a workshop and I've told these two amazing, incredible
teachers from my I t will be contacting the workshop.
And that was like an selling point for you.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It gives you a click.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And especially for a person who has done engineering, who
has not reached anywhere, they understand.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Key at least you to respect that very much like.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Push to life making. And that's how I ended up
in a workshop, having no clue about what's going to happen.
And and it was a very different environment. You know,
when you're entering a spiritual class. People were like they're
putting a tica, there is Garlands, there is a picture
of division crit and I'm looking at the back and
I'm not med for this. Is not the everything I'm
(19:06):
like this is and I have come with a tone
jeans s I. I think, I think I'm in the
wrong place. But and the workshop started and first day
it was okay, nothing nothing, nothing is changed, nothing is great.
(19:27):
So I went back to my family, which casts a
and I went second day and that is where the
first so the shan Krea, which is like which you
are taught in the first startling workshop happiness program or
(19:47):
the Yes Plus. So I did a yes Press program.
So Yes Plus is a program especially for the youngsters,
mostly the college made students. And when I did my
first version Korea, I was just blown off. I was like,
what is this? I could not think anything. First time
ever in my life. My mind was thinking nothing. I
(20:09):
still remember I was sitting in a bus and I
was sitting in a double decer bus and I was
going back and I felt like I'm floating. I believe
that I'm floating, and I'm like Guardian Childry and Guardia.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
It's like something people feel after.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, exactly like that, like lost but happy, unnecessarily happy
and nothing in mind.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
The extra acknology with which you were running it all.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It all settled down. Yeah, then they had said second
day compulsory. I came back second day and by the
time I liked my teacher. My teacher was like incredible
and like you get the work change. This is somebody
I can look up to. Definitely, I t and hand teaching.
Such a nice workshop and the art of youth. Workshops
are a lot of fun. It's not like generally think ye spirituality,
(20:57):
the Queen Sun very knowing, a lot of games, a
lot of activities, and that you feel know there are
so many nice faces around you, like a chatty social
letter or life man. And I like my teacher very
much and like yeah. Both the chains and the workshops
went on, and then the last day they said, k
(21:20):
how in Kashmir, how many many militants have left their
arms and they have come on the mainstream. Now for
me sitting behind him enjoying the workshop, I'm fully and
I like ye manka Yeto emotional Blackmilker and long Bombay.
(21:42):
Make fact, there is no military and no RB and Bombay.
There are no militants which you find, so there is
you can create a nice sectional story around Kashmir, and
you know you can, so I felt, and everybody's saying,
oh my God, wow, this is not fair. So I
(22:04):
went back to my teachers. I really respect you, but
this story I don't really believe because this is this
is too much, is too much fiction.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
But was it true?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
And it was true? And then I found out that
really there were and I did my lot of research.
I told my teachers, I was like you so never
and loans of and I spoke to few of the
people and they were like milletance. And then I did
my lot of research and I found out that really
they had come on a main street part after doing
(22:36):
the art workshops. And then I went back to my
teacher and I said, if this is real and the
stories you're told real and these people are real, this
is what I'm going to do in my life because
this is what is needed in life in the world.
You got your purpose. And so this was my last
year of my workshop, and I decided because other Kashmir
(22:59):
Kik ex stream mindset, squadrapne, mainstream normal Kardia, I think
it is a big, big help for everybody. Yes, many
who left for many many many many for whatever reasons
were did whatever, But finally you can give them a
way of Now you don't want a revenge. No, and
(23:21):
that is where it changed. That is where that entire
revenge changed from changing like you forgive them, I felt,
I literally felt that I mary margin, but I felt
a munbul. If somebody's mind changes, heart changes, that is
(23:43):
a long lasting. But of course satisfaction, but I don't
think it was satisfaction on your life. Like how good
they says, an, I make everybody's blind?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
How does gurud happen to you?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
See?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Connecting to art of living courses people, as you say,
we can take whatever we can.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yes. So then so that purpose kind of came and
I decided to become full time. So I was just
finishing my degree, and with my degree, I started voluntary
and again now I got one more very good purpose
for not going to college.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
You never got educational mainstream education, so you found something
that you wanted to educate about life.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
So then, I mean previously it was like for fun.
Now I like chuck around Colin. But yeah, so but
I became very sincere to what I was studying. So
the imagiate effect was on my grades. My grades changed, Oh.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
My god, what you did not like to do? There
also the.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Reflection, like I could not sit with books for more
than five minutes and.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You could manage to do it well.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh yes, like my last two semesters I cleared in
one shot and that too with pretty nice raids.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
How does that happen? It's like it be so easy.
What are you struggling with?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Is actually because see, I think when you're in that age,
when you are like eighteen nineteen eighty one, there is
so many things happening in yours. The system is changing,
your the physiological system is changing. There are hormones, there
are so many, so many things that's come in your life.
And in between that studying things. So the problem happens
(25:27):
with the attention span. Yes, and when you're studying you
are thinking of something very random, and when you're doing
other things, you're thinking about I should have studied. So
the thing which shifted was because of the Susan Korea
and one more plane concentration technique stays taught. I could
just sit and concentrate without fail you would your mind
(25:47):
wouldn't wait, it will not go anywhere, so which allowed
me to score.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's not just we should rather be taught this in
school and.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Then one hundred and I'm telling you even after teaching
for so many years now almost seventeen years, it has
been like common.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Phenomen and you're a teacher now, I'm a teacher. Now
there's people who know you from before.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Will not Oh, it took a lot of time for
my friends to accept the fact that even my family,
my brother felt what he's doing is fake. It's fake. No,
it's like one more escape. It's as a spiritual yavy.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
But then they realized, But when you connected with Gurud,
because you've taken a purpose which is not just teaching purpose,
as we little bit try to know about you, you're
also changing transforming line lives which are extremely baggaged or
in pain, especially with your courses in the j or prisoners.
So was this a choice you wanted to then take
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the toughest of the course.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Actually yes, because because for me one of the strong
points was kashmir k extreme minds. So change a million
look it certainly milling and I was in I was
traveling and teaching different places. Then I got a chance
to teach in the jail and thought, miracularky, this is
the place where I'll find those people.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But I'm so scary to go and expose yourself to extreme.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
In the beginning, I was not scared, but I went
when I went into inside, then I got a little scared.
That is a very different story.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
The prisoners staring into you.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I mean, so okay, I'll tell you so. So one.
I was around twenty six twenty seven that time, and
only experience of teaching the young students in the colleges,
and suddenly I go into hard jail. If you have
seen the jail, it's a pretty you haven't seen it
is pretty. No, it is really pretty in terms of
because the way they have managed definitely another like people
(27:58):
go there just to get arrested so that they get
that kind of a treatment. It is so nicely done. Yeah,
they take a lot of good care about So when
I entered, the walls are very very high, like almost
till like second flow of a building. A little more
than that. When you're entering those words, you feel little
where am I entering. They put a little thing on
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your head. Then they put a stamp on you stamp
or welcome nickname, welcome job, visitors, ur's anything, put the
up yes, stamp by jacket midway like I mean it
is it is just a normal stamp in your head.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Now this is very important.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
This is the most critical part. Otherwise, whoever you are,
if you don't have a stamp, you are inside, you're
an inmate. So now there's all walls, there's this stamp
or that is building up. And then I met the
jeweler and he was having a rough day, oh very
rough day. And he was from Haryana, so and Haryana
is a pretty very they might have been a very
(29:09):
sweet language in a very sarcastic manner. So he was
I think having a night shift, and he was not
and he was not like yeah, yeah, not welcomed at all.
Now I felt, if I listened to him a little more,
I will not be inspired to teach myself. I just
sat down as meditated in my own little bit of breathing,
(29:31):
and I asked him, so can I start the workshop?
Said yes, go to the ground. And I go to
the ground, and I see there are two and fifteen
minutes just randomly roaming around in that ground football field.
So I come back as pretty guy because archy that
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was my first experience in jail. By chance, going Mary
Barth person of them, I am my life will be
in a big risk. So I came to don't worry
like first time, and they are like amateurs. Many job.
No I'm go in front of these two fifty people
(30:16):
or you look like them, must qui teacher a pang,
So sort of frustrated we are when suddenly one person, yes,
a crowd suit double time. Yeah, thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
He's so.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
The crowd suit double times, as if they were doing
like a very big favor on me. And they started listening.
So I said pretty okay, of course, okay, because it
is playing my first person. I thought the activity is
always a good thing to engage people. But activity, so
(31:07):
up what courses my groups? Manic activity? Game the fire
in the Mountain he said, fire in the Mountain Runner,
And then you tell everybody genine process that's x number,
so many game killing very many game killing generle man
(31:36):
game the nam those minute look sub imagine they had.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
They had the whole system got alerted.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Forget about them. I got alerted. I'm like, oh my god.
Many other say the method permanently and or for di
solo this enthusiasm. Everybody such immediately changed the game like pause,
wait time out O n groups. But should I more detail? No?
Speaker 2 (32:32):
My but but I wouldn't want to come out of it.
Do you need a whole podcast?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Just know that particular It is so when when you're
dealing so coming to the larger picture of your whole journey,
we now understand where you were, where you came from,
how it changed you. But connecting with the teachings that
we are taking ahead, how do you think in today's
world this can be made relatively and to a different
kind of people.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
You've got the youth, You've taught.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
The people who have literally taken aggression and revenge as
the mode to get themselves relief.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
How do you understand this?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
See, especially with the youth.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Let's focus on the youth today.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
See I think that is where like as I say,
they are the founding principles of any society. I mean,
how are your youngsters? Is that's going to shape the
entire country, the nation, the way it is going forward?
And that is where I think a lot of attention
has to go in in terms of the shaping the minds.
What are we putting in? What is the information we're
(33:32):
putting now? With the beautiful part is because he has
what I love about him, heats, there's nothing which he
is pushing down your throat. He gives a very very
simple techniques tools which you use and you suddenly see
(33:54):
a change in your life.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
But today's youth, what are they finding relatable? Are the
areas where you've identified these are the issues which maximum
of us are suffering.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I think one of the big issues is anxiety. Anxiety
about what anxiety about many many things. One is the
physical health. Second is about missing out on things like
which you got form that anxiety is happening to people.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
So you think everybody wants to be everywhere?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Yeah, at least they want to be like that somewhere
maybe social media or in person?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is that good or bad? Because good to want everything
at least we are active.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
In thusis no, no, it is okay, but without anxiety
because for that anxiety is doing no, it is really
really creating into a panic situation and then they search
for quick tools to get out of it. Okay, anxiety
effect to Karna, Now, wahase, how are you handling that anxiety?
(34:49):
Because unfortunately what has happened is which were the two
building blocks for any young people to look up to
our parents and features? Yes, which I feel has not
it's not like that how you do before because parents
ki Batabi sablu parents and we are more cool?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
But are we not more techs intelligent?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
There is absolutely tech heavy hair, but experience also is
with the parents. I think you cannot deny the fact
that parents have such long experience of living life. Maybe
they have not lived in the text heavy life, but
they have lived that life. But somehow wook parents uncool
or the young generation things they are cool?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
How do you bridge this called generation gap?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
It is called generation gap? And I think I also
had the same gap. The fact that our workshop has
a brilliant module which addresses all these issues. Yes, program
where we kind of create a scenario they can look
from the both sides. And I'm telling you I have
had so many experience where the parents and the kids
(35:59):
have not been speaking for years just because post teenage
and all those things. Yes, the teen parents are like
what have you done? What has this workshop done to
these kids? They're like such a different person. It is
just a manner of how you can make them understand
shift absolutely that.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Wh know you've traveled abroad also, you've done not just
the experience which you told about the prisoners which are
breaking their valuers, your das and teacher, you break values.
That's the main thing, but you also had a motive.
You've been speaking to international crowd US Bulgaria. Do you
think in India we look at life differently though we
(36:35):
are culturally much more profound and in abroad we see
them living more and more profound than us.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
How is this that, Hamara but Gi because how do
do you find that difference?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
No, there is definitely. I mean the way upbringing happens,
the way teachings happen, the school education, it's very different.
Or Shastroko Shastra in depth research we used American is
(37:09):
unfortunate because Ama, we were ruled so many years. It
al either by Britishers, by mal so many years to
Joahammara Wisdima, it got lost in so many years.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
We don't believe in our own exactly when they believe
in what they take.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Very many of them, like you must have seen right now,
make the amount of people who are coming from abroad
and like top notch people and they want to be there.
So I think it was very unfortunately that how Britishers
inculcated that feeling of inferiority for our own culture, okay,
and which we still are kind of having that baggage
(37:50):
shame of ah eight time logo, yoga eight time. This
is all superstitional, you jerdi put which so it is
all because they were at certain point time tested, done
a lot of research. But unfortunately this long slavery which
(38:11):
we had say severer kind of bringing out all those
So it is a task to.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Make you believe your own roads.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, it is a task sometimes. And then on top
of that, there are such a strong influence carry because
social media the West, so many things you see al
but thankfully I'm glad and now of social media also
is helping people to bring people on this path, okay,
because people are understanding health, the good way of living, meditation.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So I mean, have one anecdote, I have seen your
anecdote was very interesting, which you are at. But when
you're going out taking Gurudev's message as memory a story
jo so many which just took you off.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
The Indians are still there.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
I think. But I think which I one is like
line that says make your smile cheap and anger expensive.
If you'll just understand this, you can really really shift
how your living life because take them on it in
(39:21):
the moment, in the moment, we are ready or smile
that one and I think the other one I love
is he says, broaden your vision and deepen your roots,
like many people want to go big in.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Their life, but nice visionary.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Why India as a startup culture? Now, why we all
can't think of becoming?
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Rather? Is it.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Because some looks over time podcast? What Lord?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Time?
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Time awareness?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Your movement with.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Movements? See I'll tell you for me. I was. I
came to arterloving and I joined. I joined by force.
I like the service part of arloing, and I was
not very very sure about because you organization that change,
(40:42):
it takes some time for you to also. And I
was in a very big mode of doubt. And my
teacher had told me I like I said, it's between
you and him if you have to doubt and doubt
(41:03):
and whichever aspect of my life, I kind of put
a nowaday. He came with absolutely incredible ways to clear
my doubt. And in all my years, I've seen that
my eighteen years, that anything which I have wanted, anything
I even like small things, is not taken care of
(41:28):
in the most extreme and the most incredible places.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Define some words which we definitely want to understand. A
short understanding from you. How do you look at the
word faith.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think it is the sense of life.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Should it be blind or should it be researched?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Faith is faith? Faith is faith. It just comes. It is.
It is not a thing which you can get. It
just it's happens to you. And I think every each
one of us has an inbuilt faither in us. I
mean the fact that we do online shopping true, I mean,
isn't it. I'm like, every single person has faith. I mean,
(42:05):
and after so many scams, still we don't stop. We
have faith.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Okay, Success I think.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Part of life which should not get to your head.
It should not get to your head like, oh my god,
I happen to success successful, because sometimes that ghost your
head and you usually lose track of your life. Success
is a part of life, and if with success, you
should be also ready that failures can also come. Okay,
(42:36):
possible relations for life. Okay, if you're making relations, you
have to take it for life life.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
There is the conflict in relation because now I think
that's also increasing with vocalizing.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
People want to.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
Break off it's not working again. Times are changing. But
then you have to look in the longer aspect, like
is it if it is giving you a lot of
the there are some relationship which are very really toxius.
There is no doubt about it. But sometimes for some
silly reasons, I've seen people like for silly reasons like silly,
mean silly. I mean, then you're like, so I feel
(43:16):
there has to be somebody when you're linking to somebody.
If you are like, there is somebody who can you
can look up to?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
There is a need of a guru for everyone.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
And everybody everybody, I think. I mean as simple as that.
I mean, we came from from one direction to one
one spot another spot. We come and we know the way.
Let's say you have to go from Bali to Tolgan.
You know the way, but automatically, what will you do
you Google Google seeking traffic copy.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yes, it makes it saves me.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It saves me time exactly Google map. Now that you
would ask people, so.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
One one way moortannt question that was the end you
want to ask is why is it necessary for everyone
to be on the path of meditation?
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Can some people be evolved with that?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Okay? So a very simple, very thing I'll tell you.
So there are four states to a consciousness. One is
a state of being awake, Yes, you're we are or
awake right now. But in awake what happens? We are aware,
but we are not RESTful. The sec opposite to this
is sleep, whereas there is rest but there is no awareness. Yes.
(44:28):
The third is dream sometimes there is no awareness, there
is no rest. Yes, these three modes we automatically fluctuate between,
sometimes awake, sometimes sleep, sometimes dream. But then comes the
food state, which is the meditative state where there is
awareness and deep breast simultanous. Now it is like you
have a car which has four wheels and one will
(44:48):
is not working. What will happen will not be efficient? Yeah,
as simple as that. So when you have a possibility
of attending and going to that state which is the
the most which is the source of creativity, which is
a source of concentration, which is a source of joy,
why will you not want to go there? Yes, if
(45:09):
you haven't done you're not aware, that is okay. But
if you're aware of not doing it, ignorance is please then,
I think, But is ignorance bless sometimes? Yess yeah, but
I think everybody should merit it.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
In the last seventeen years, your journey, it is seventeen.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Years actually now two thousand and six. I started. Now
it is nineteen year starting.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
If you have to look at yourself, because I think
you also say that we can look at ourselves, how
do you look at Has the transformation been gradual?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
It has been overnight like Exodus was overnight.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah, even my first workshop was overnight. I mean that
was overnight and then gradually. I have also seen a
lot of changes in me. But I would want to
just put one word for my life. I mean extremely great,
with no gratitude that somehow God's wisdom and his path
came in my life and I could walk on this path.
(46:08):
And I'm blessed that I can share his wisdom, the
knowledge and the teachings he has given for us to
teach the world.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
I can share that today so many people look up
to you. So do you feel sometimes like now I've
got a fand following?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, that is okay. But the fact is because it
is all because has given me that platform.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
You have that all the time.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Is there is no ways if I don't have that,
I mean it won't happen. Only with his blessings and
is with his grace. I feel that is happening because
when we are teaching the spiritual workshops of artling, like
the Happiness Program or any workshop, it is one hundred
percent designed by Gurdev. Every single process he has designed,
(46:53):
every single word he has told we are just like
an aper quarter. We just go there and like just teach,
for it has been taught to us. Obviously you put
a little bit of our element into it, like you know,
and that is the beautiful part. Every teacher has its
own favorite artillery, but everything is designed, trained and blessed
by him, which does the magic.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
When thought comes to me, you've seen the extreme people
have just spoken about criminal world violence. You've seen it all,
you've experienced it all, and then you're seeing the non
violent side.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So what do some of the life as for you.
You've seen people with guns, you've seen people with smile.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I think it is time. Like how I say, there's
a mix of good and bad people like good bad
in terms of let's say people who are really really
putting the rights to use, Like you know, you go
to the go to the work, earn well, spend money,
help your family, you're part playing your taxes and time
(47:52):
voting like all those things, and there are certain people
who want to create a lot of disturbance like bomb blast. Yeah,
like I mean that, I'm like a lot of maybe
because of whatever reason, somehow the society has branded them
as bad people. Now, the fact is the majority is good.
(48:14):
Super majority is good people. Isn't like majority people ask
them a plane hijacker. We thought majority is bad. No,
ninety nine percent is good people. H point of one
fraction is bad? Point one maybe not that? Like if
you put in your circle, you go and see look
in your circle. How many people do you know like
(48:35):
who have an absolute high hardcore background. No, very rare,
very rare, And that is how each one of us
will have very rare. We know what's so with the
person is enough, But ninety nine percent, eight person suffer.
(48:56):
The whole world is suffering because in ninety nine persons
very powerful chesus action leny, they are in action, very
in action their commitment levels. But action mine GUARDI conceilin.
(49:21):
It is all taken care of past the verification of
the koga so chill action magi commitment to create good
in society, and they create a natural to good people.
This point one will become very very diminished.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Then disrupting is so committed the energy of piece of self.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yes, and that is what good that has been doing.
He is creating a force people who understand. He's empowering
people to become strong internally and allowing them to control
back into society and have a belongings and have a
benmous without that, how can you help?
Speaker 2 (50:02):
This is such a message you've given. It is like
you've read the whole solution to the world is that we.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Are more powerful than that one any time, and we
have the power to change because we understand what is good.
And thankfully good there has given these techniques and tools
which can really give you in perfect, holistic, long lasting solution.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
So it is not enough to just go and vote
the right people. But I think everybody needs to perform.
There absolutely can't be rolled by only the.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
We have to do our own.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Everybody has to do. Everybody has to do.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
It was so insightful. I can go on everything you said.
I think one needs a session. Because of the time crunch,
we're not able to go to the scene that you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
The r and that is Monday. I don't know how
many days you spend.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I spent, but one story just because I would love
to set so I was teaching a workshop. This was
only for people who are who had murder charges on them. Okay,
this was inside her self and now everybody is murder
(51:16):
cond some two three four five like that. And this
is a very intense, very serious batch where I mean
my jokes were just falling in the air. Nobody's laughing,
nobody's cracking up. And I generally asked them key, look humpey.
I didn't say healthy. This is my general question. Key
(51:41):
out of twenty and twenty people raise their head the
acknowledge love. They said, Key, healthy away for first game
your circumstances. I say, okay, but this was not what
we wanted. He said, He said the but Spens show
(52:02):
Tabad Marshman night and then he said, he said, it's
buried to Lashi Pak to my jail next time. Lash
and these two other people are pulling my leg with
the husband wife for BiH my.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
These are called psychopath.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
No idea what And I said, however you want to
And because in my head I could not fathom there
was not an iota of guilt regread nothing such people
change and in my head I'm thinking Key, I said,
what I have dreams a chief, but I'm without any guilt.
(52:45):
You will not believe. On sixth day of the workshop,
six day like one, two, three, four thive six day
when I was leading the workshop, the course got completed,
so our last he said, key other Ka Nicole. So
would you want to take this journey for? Will you
like go on the same path? The first hand which
(53:06):
God trace was this guy. And he said, first in
which promises? And we agree to all your promise. Today
I am promising you I will never ever ever look
into the direction of crime, he said, and he started crying.
(53:31):
I started crying. Everybody around crime.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
So the minds which are more firm can melt.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Oh yes, it is just you have to give a
little bit of love and solace. N n way they
can really come.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
I think your journey is a blessing that the person
who saw something very painful in his life, instead of
taking a revenge we read in mah Bar, you would
have been on a better path in supporting someone like you.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Then. So nice to have met you after thirteen years.
I am so happy.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
I don't know how many such people might have met you,
and you don't know that they actually got touched by
your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
I don't know. We're doing what we can.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yes, without any intention, you're actually dropping in a thought
with everyone else.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
No intention is definitely to create a better world, at
least not for myself, for other people. And when you
see go to their working tireless, we think we can
do a little bit.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
Yes, you guys look tireless all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
Thank you, so you're welcome to me. Thanks a lot,
Thank you.
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