The Second Episode of Unscripted Wisdom with Ankur Agarwal On Indiapodcasts

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In this powerful and raw conversation on IndiaPodcasts, Ankur sits down with host Anku Goyal to explore what it truly means to live an unscripted life.

From moments of deep reflection to lessons learned in chaos, this episode dives into identity, purpose, and the beauty of embracing life as it comes — unfiltered and honest. Whether you’re on a path of self-discovery or just need a spark of inspiration, this one’s for you.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I said the name of the series is Unscripted Wisdom.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
My life has been unscripted. Wow, and it has.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
Been totally unfiltered, unscripted. And that is the essence of life.
You know, when you are hungry, only then you can
appreciate food. When you have unpleasant experiences in life, that
is what makes life so beautiful. I have just heard
one part of this story. There's much more to this.

(00:28):
I can't put it into words. How grateful I am
right now.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm feeling like a new born.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Thank you so much, Unko. You have found time for
India Podcast in our special series Unscripted Wisdom. And this
only and tears the story of what life means. So
we are very happy to have you to tell us
your journey and what life means to you.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Thank you so much for giving me this opportunity to
express myself, to give me a platform to share my story.
And I feel a lot of people will be able
to relate to this.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, thank you once again. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
What do you think about the whole thought about when
I said the name of the series is unscripted Wisdom,
what life means? What does it mean to you?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
This is very interesting for me. You know why, because
I feel my life has been unscripted. Wow, and it
has been totally unfiltered, unscripted, and that is the essence
of life.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That is the beauty of life.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
So I was particularly very happy and excited when I
heard this name because it.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Relates to my soul I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
But do you think unscripted life also means it is
uncertain and you always want to be on the edge
of not knowing anything.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
But that is the fun of life and distressful if
you see it that way. But I see it the
other way. When life is uncertain, that is the fun.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
You know. We love having surprise birthday parties. Yeah, why
because that is the essence of a human being. That
is the charm. Just imagine a life where you know everything.
What is the fun.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
It's like knowing a movie and how it will happen.
But if the surprise is not pleasant, that is.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
A part of life, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
And that is what makes good so good because there
is there are things which are not so good. You know,
when you are hungry, only then you can appreciate food
when you have unpleasant experiences in life. That is what
makes life so beautiful. And I feel that is why
I am here today, Why I feel my experience is

(02:51):
so rich because I have gone through ups and downs
and that has made me so much more wise.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
But why you always like this or you thought that
you needed we call it spiritual journey it's to jarganize
now or maybe coming to art of living twenty three
years back? Was it something that you thought I need treatment?
How does one step into this for you? What was
the reason to.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
I feel I was looking for something. I was looking
for a mentor a guide. I used to pray that
I feel very lost. Why am I here? What am
I supposed to do? What is that one thing which
I'm passionate about? Is there someone who can guide me?
And then my neighbors suggested that there's this program, and

(03:41):
my mother signed me up for it, and before I
knew I found a group of people who gave me
a platform which was very non judgmental, okay, and with
unconditional love. And I think I just blossomed in that space,
in that ecosystem, you just become the best version of yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
So did you also find the reason why you were
not able to find your passion before they told you
you needed a you said you got a non judgmental environment.
But much before that also you were existing on the
same space. So what is the shift that you couldn't
find yourself before this? But when Art of Living happened,
everything becomes so clear.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Because coming from a conservative Marvadi family, I felt everything
was predecided and I became a rebel. Okay, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Want to join the family business or do the so called.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
SOPs which eldest son of the family history. You were there. Yeah,
it's a lot of expectations, a lot of expectations, a
lot of judgments, a lot of questions, and I felt
out of place.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I was not at home.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You had the former.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Yeah, I just wanted to go out and I felt
I want I'm a bird, I'm a free bird. Let
me out and I will. I will become the best
version of myself.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Was rebelling, not helping you that be a rebel. Do
what you want to do. You want to go out
of the norms, do that. You could have done that
other way.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Also, No, because my parents were very strict, very conservative family.
And I remember one day I just left home and.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I was just pulled up for that very badly.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, you must have gone chattered emotionally.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, and they were very strict.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
They were very strict, So I thought, I have to.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Do something out of the box, and which is acceptable.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I need some help. I think that was their sense.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And being being a boy, being a man, you can't
show that you are weak. Yes, so I think I
was not able to express because you're supposed to be strong.
You were supposed to be You're supposed to know everything
as a man, and you can't cry. So I used
to cry all night on the pillow that what am

(06:07):
I doing? So much so that I even contemplated ending
my life, that there's no point of life.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Today, when I look back, I.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Feel it so funny, But back then it was very intense.
It was so so shattering and breaking.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
When you see this, this is way common. What you're
saying is something. I think you're just bringing together a
part of it. I might have experienced a part of it.
I see others even now, the gen z as we
say they experience. So when you look cious that a
part of you is there still around, not everybody has
found it, and not everyone you can force to find

(06:51):
the way you found it, do you still feel helpless
looking at them?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
You know, I feel very empowered because I feel that
somewhere I was born to help them. So I'm not
coming from a sense of complaining or helplessness, but I'm
coming from a sense of responsibility towards them, and I

(07:16):
feel somewhere I can help them because I have gone
through the same journey. I walked the same path. So
I feel very excited because it gives.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Me meaning to life. It gives me purpose.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
And coincidentally, and that is what I'm doing. Yes, every
day of my life, I'm just having conversations.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
With people, and I think the context has changed. Now
when I'm talking to you, I feel the context which
I could develop with you back then, some thirteen years
back we met and now you were on the path
even then. But now I can just sense that your
context it has become so deep. It's like you're more
deep and deep and deep in finite. Then also you

(07:57):
were deep, but now imagine you might have gone some
one hundred feet down and I see you play around
it like with me what I experience of you now
and then I'm still trying to relate because then I
used to see you talk to us talk about knowledge,
but now I see you being a source of knowledge.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
That is true for you also, isn't.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
It maybe your experience, but becoming a source of knowledge
from someone who's imbibing it. Have you felt the shift
in you?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
I felt a very big shift in on the journey, especially.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
After going to Africa.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I felt, I felt there is something which has changed
in me. I was very outside, I was very superficial.
I was I felt I was too loud. But when
I just went within and there was a sense of
calmness and serenity, then I.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Could see different perspective tifts.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I could relate to people coming from different backgrounds, different contexts,
and that made me help people in a very broad
spectrum of scheme of things because I could understand the
space from their day. So I feel the degree to
which you can just roll back yourself, just be calm

(09:24):
and be peaceful.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
You are able to see through.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Even being on the path. You think people need that
degree of shift. As an ongoing or just coming to
art of living, we can be relaxed now we're there
or there's the journey.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Because it's ongoing journey. I'm still I'm still on the journey.
I'm still moving forward, and every day I'm going deeper.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
So since Africa you mentioned. Now, that's the reason also
why I was very intrigued and I hear heard your
stories yesterday a day before now we're recording this. But
what touched me was I was not expecting this. I
was unaware you went to Africa, West Africa particularly, and

(10:07):
not being aware when you listen to someone's experience because
the rest in the room were aware where you were
and everybody was full of the awe about you. Someone
is saying uncle, and I was like, I didn't know
he went to West Africa. When and how? And I
was like, I know him, what is the same person?
The moment you start talking, I was like, there, something

(10:27):
has happened, something you've brought back.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
But I was very happy that you could make it.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yes, And that is why I wanted you to hear
my story because I know you come from a background
where you will be able to appreciate in a very
different way which others will not be able to.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
At least I will be able to relate to the
experiences you had. But before going to Africa with you,
I want to go to Mahakong with you. We're sitting
in the most spiritual space or the year they've defined
twenty twenty five. I don't know many many ways, so
I would say the most powerful year, the most you know,
the year which will give you salvation, so believing. So

(11:09):
you went to Mahakum. You have come all the way
from Africa to come and be a part of that
energy that everyone is talking about. Did you receive salvation?

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Frankly speaking, I was in Africa, this is about a
couple of months back, and I was watching a read
and I felt such a strong feeling of fore more
that I want to go to this place. This looks incredible,

(11:41):
the kind of people, the kind of enthusiasm, And before
I knew I was in Markum. Just a month later,
I was in Markum, and you know what, I didn't
go with any preconceived notion.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I just went with the innocence of a child.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You are not expecting that it will bless you something.
Because we see Mahakum has been received positively in Ninda.
The kind of population you've seen gone there is you
among us. I don't think ever everyone expected, but we
see a major part of the population is also going
out of that expectation. He as in the gime after Homo.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
So is that true?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
So this was the second part of my joy. So
I went with an open mind. But what I experienced
there is something which I've read about but not experienced firsthand.
I could actually feel that energy. I could feel what
faith can do. I saw people who are ninety year

(12:46):
old walking for tens of kilometers right, and I could
see when you take that bip, how free you feel
because thousands of people that energy is just incredible.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
You feel so light.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Is it the intention with which people are going that
creates the energy?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I feel the faith, I feel the faith with which
they go. And since this is happening since thousands of years, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
You know, it is something so special for these individuals,
and I feel it is like what do you call that?

Speaker 2 (13:25):
It is? You just catch on it. It's magnetic. You
don't have an option, no distraction.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
With the crowd, with all the chaos around you were
able to find that energy.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Feel you feel you are one in that crowd.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You feel you are one with that energy. You don't
associate yourself as a separate body. At one point, you
feel this is one person walking, one maha kumb one
individual higher consciousness which is taking the dip, and you
are part of that higher clay.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
That experience is ethereal.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Which was the most surreal moment for you in the
whole journey was Mahkum would have been a whole journey
in itself.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I felt when Sushi Ravishankaji took us to the sangham,
so she went with him.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, I went with him and it was not planned.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
He didn't choose that you will come, but I.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Think I'm the chosen one. So we just went with
him on the boat. And the moment we took a
dip with him, I felt, I'm just I'm just sharing
my heart out. I just felt it's done now. I
don't have anything else to achieve in this life. I

(14:49):
feel so content, so fulfilled. I received everything.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Would this be different if you do it after the
malkom was over?

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't know, because I feel more than anything, it.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Is about you.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
You are the source of everything. As Gobere says, you can.
You can take mahakum anywhere you are walking talking sangham.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
You know it is your faith, it is your prayer,
it is your.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Surrender to the higher power which makes you feel this way,
and Mahakum gives you that ecosystem and it gives you
the ecosystem, yeah, which are not really life.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
We can't create.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It is challenging. I will not say you can't create,
but it is challenging. But I know people who are
sitting at their home and they are able to experience that.
So that is the beauty of our culture, our heritage
is that you can create the highest wherever you are,

(15:55):
provided you are willing, provided you have the real intense prayer.
You know, I'm looking for something more. I want to
I want to look things beyond.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
The what comes to the naked eye.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Will it be same for people who don't go with
this kind of mindset like you are on the journey
of knowledge? But there are people who've gone out of
I will say belief, and a lot of time we
do hurt mentality. It's a form. So do you think
they will experienced or they will take back what others
have taken with the consciousness?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
That is what I wanted to say. The ecosystem is such.
Will you fall in place?

Speaker 2 (16:35):
You fall in.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Whatever you have thought will not be with you. That's
so amazing. I wish this would be there all the time.
Whatever I'm thinking does not overpower, then what is supposed
to happen. Now we go and I go with you
to West Africa.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
You're welcome.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
What is it like anything of West Africa? I don't
know what to say. I can think of tall people,
you know, they were, They were like their sturdy, muscular
free way different in terms of humans. Also, I imagine
them larger than life every which way physically. So how
was it when you first time? What was that decision

(17:15):
that you took? I will choose out of the whole
map you circled it.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, so a couple of things.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
First was Gurude was going to West Africa, so we
just wanted to tag along with him and just spend
time with him. The idea was not to spend a
long period.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Of time in West Africa.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
So we landed in West Africa and spend time there.
This was this was August twenty twenty two. But the
moment I went I landed in West Africa, I felt
very connected, effortlessly, I felt at home, and I was
wondering if this is just my thought or if there

(18:00):
is some some connect.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Some genuine connect to it.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And then we came back with him, and then I
then I proposed that I would like to serve there
for some time? Can I Can I go there for
some time and spend time with these people and can
I do something for them? I feel I feel connected

(18:26):
to them. And Art of Living was very helpful and
they gave me a platform and.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
I was there.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, you're not scared because not not because it has
a different story. But we do see that it is
when we say under developed or not so developed, putting
yourself in a place which is not so developed in infrastructure,
in which also might have reflected in their minds and growth,
and which could have socio economic multiple impact. Were you

(18:58):
thinking or were you aware? You're want to face more challenges?

Speaker 3 (19:01):
So I was not scared, but I was more aware
and I was more careful.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
You were aware where you were stepping in?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, And I was more careful of what I have
signed up for. And I was very observant of what
is going on around me, what are people saying? What
is their thought process? I would hear stories of what
goes on here.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
How did the journey move around in West Africa started
from which place?

Speaker 3 (19:28):
So I started with Nigeria, and Nigeria being the so
called most notorious country of West Africa, we were not
allowed to step out of our building. If we have
to go out, then it is all.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
The time you're under that lot. Yeah, and a lot
of crime in the country.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Crime, and you know, people want you to be safe
than sorry, right, so they say just be so. Then
I started in writing people to my place because that
is the only way you can interact.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
If you cannot go out, then someone has to come in. Yes.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
And I started hearing stories about their life, how they
grew up, their village, tribes, culture, languages, hundreds of languages,
hundreds of tribes in just Nigeria. And then I realized
that I have just heard one part of this story.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
There's much more to this.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
And then I saw the depth the love which they have,
the warmth, the feeling of oneness which they have, the
way they accepted me and made their I was one
of them, and that was very beautiful.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
What is their strength? We see them more they strong
in emotions, or they've connected with culture, music. What is
the strength you felt in them despite being from an
under developed place. What holds them with this oneness? Understand?

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I feel they are more connected to nature, they are
more connected to themselves. I think because of technology, we
are more outward.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
They are more inward.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
They are more inward naturally because they have less exposure
to especially the rural areas of evolved.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I feel they are more evolved in a.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Different perspective, and development to me means different things in
different contexts. So I feel they're very developed and evolved
in the sense that we are humans, we are not machines,
and human values.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Emotional quotient was high, very.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
High, and they were so concerned about me, Are you comfortable?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Can we get something?

Speaker 1 (21:47):
And that was not a us ag. They're not doing
it for the sake of chivalrous attitude.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
That is what makes the difference.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
They were so genuine, They were so authentic in every
word they spoke. It was amazing for me because I
come from a city. I come from an urban culture.
Most of the times when you say please take care
of yourself, we.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Don't mean it.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
We don't mean it.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
And let us not judge it, but we don't mean
it for whatever reason whatever?

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Or is it so that their minds are more free.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
I feel they are less exposed and they are less busy.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Is it not, ironically that to get that kind of
development in your nature, which is evolved and connected to nature.
You are being closed on the other side of your
understanding of life, which doesn't let them grow economically. So
is it it's an imbalance? Any which way, did you
feel the imbalance in them?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I felt an imbalance. But what I learned is now
is the time for the human race to get the
best of both ones. We need to be economically empowered
at the same time to be rooted in our culture
and our ethos.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
That brings the total balance. That brings so the whole
world is in balance. That if West Africa is more
of the human values, the other side only has money
and power.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
That is why we have to learn from each other
and become the best versions of ourselves, which has evolved
in both the aspects, which.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Is more important to happen before. If a West African society,
people who are so inward to an extent, get power
and economy up economic upliftment, do you think they'll do
better than the reverse side where you get power and
economic upliftment first, and then human values.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
See human values is the basis of it, so they
are at it. That is the foundation. Yeah, you build.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
On a fountain, you can't build a building and then
build a foundation, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
What was most challenging with them? This was the strength,
you said, But what was really difficult in connecting language
or what felt was real challenge. This is where the
work begins.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
I feel prejudice, Okay, today in the world, we are
highly prejudiced.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
About religion, about culture, geography.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
There are thousands of things which have compartmentalized us that
I am from this country, I'm from this religion, the color,
the color, so there is a feeling of can I
trust him, He's not from my religion. They have trust deficit,
so I feel somewhere. I felt that they felt, are

(24:38):
you here to convert us? Are you here to propagate
Hinduism and the very essence of art of living in
spirituality and not religion. We are a spiritual organized We
just want you to be happy physically, mentally, emotionally and
in all the aspects of your life.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
And when I shared this in some.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Of the TV interviews with Job, they said, this is
very new for us and we would appreciate if you
could share these workshops.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
They were able to trust that somebody has come without
an agenda.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yes, And I felt it has to reflect from your being.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yes, it is your presence which might have connected because
words fall shot. I mean, anyone can go and say
I'm here for your good, but.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
They won't believe words. You can manipulate presence. You can,
isn't it?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
And they also have an ability to identify.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
They are so intuitive. I feel each one of us
is so intuitive.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
You can manipulate in a short I think for a
short time, but each one of us can see through.
And especially Africans, I felt they're very intuitive and they're
very in sync.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
What is the major problem you felt with people there?
Because they have good elements around them, they have nature
connect they can build up the human values. Yet you
saw that they are not fitting in the growing world.
Is there something wrong in them or is it the
society which is not accepting.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I feel we need a level playing field.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
We need basic education, basic primary secondary and higher education,
basic health services. If we give them a level playing field,
they will do very good. So if you see Africans
in Europe and America, they are doing very well. Yes, so,
which shows you that if Africans are given a level

(26:29):
playing field, they would be very competitive.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
They also accommodated in the society. Yes, And why are
we not doing that.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
I feel we need to visit them, We need to
spend time with them, We need to be a part
of them. I think we have isolated them saying that,
Oh Africa.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I not mean to go to Africa.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
It's looked like a poor country.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Oh Africa.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know, if you feel if you ask youth, where
would you like to go?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
America is Africa.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I would like to invite every youth to spend a
few months in Africa. It is such an experience, gives
you such a perspective about.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Life from Nigeria when you move to the other side,
how was the shift? Did you find it all the same,
the parameters the favor of the same.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Or further down it becomes more underdeveloped, and especially Sierra.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Leone, they also have urban and rural society.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, so every country has a capital city.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Capital city has the urban flesh, but rural is very tribal,
mostly agro based economy, and you will see them like
Indian tribal village. So you know, in that way, I
could find a lot of similarities in India and Africa.

(27:54):
A lot of similarities in the sense of disparity of income.
Of course, India we have come a long, long long
but still there are pockets in India which reflect extreme
property and tribals.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Are they expressive? Africans can express, like the Indians have
great voice. Everybody has freedom of speech. Our constitution is
very strong. Are they having that kind of constitutional support
or a political support that allows them to be free
to voice? Because what you're saying is they might lack
the mainstream facility of health, infram and education, education, but

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do you think they also lack that confidence or a
thought process that allows them or a constitutional support.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
What is that ironical?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Because if you speak to them one on strong voice,
very strong opinions about what they deserve, about what is right,
what is wrong, But unfortunately the formal framework of a
constitutional government is lacking. Okay, So that is why if
you see the mainstream media and the.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Whole they don't cover. They don't cover Africa because they
don't have a voice.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
The day Africans have a voice, it will change the
whole world because it's a virgin area, full of natural resources,
full of the most youngest population in the world. They
say that the next few decades is belongs.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
To Africa, and you touched it, you have many friends.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Then yeah, and it is like family, Africa's family, It's home.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
What was the toughest part of when you are talking
to people and reaching their connection and you know, making transformation.
Was it difficult to deal with people in rural part
of it urb or the ones who are suffering their
own criminal space? You know you went into jails also,
I know you met criminals.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
How is that?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
What about the criminals mean to you? Do you do
you hold them guilty or do they hold themselves guilty?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I feel the way I have been brought up, we
come from the space of we look at humans as humans,
not as criminals, or.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
We are not coming from a space of judgment.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
I think when you are, when you drop your prejudice,
it is much easier for you.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
To understand their perspective. True, and I.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Felt, I felt I'm speaking to someone very normal with
a life which is full of.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Ups and downs, and and they.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Committed some crime which they are guilty about which they
felt was not they were not themselves.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It just happened.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
And the reason whether crime is poverty.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
I think it's it's a mix of a lot of things,
not just poverty, A lot of unawareness, not lack of education,
lack of opportunity.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
I would how how do they receive art of living?
You think you guys could make a.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Difference in I was.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I was so happy to see the way they accepted
and the way they received, especially the meditations and plan
i ams.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know in India somehow as children, we have been
to some.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Gurucci some so we have some spiritually yea, we have
some culture of meditation, we have some culture of yoga.
But you know, as they say, if you don't have something,
you appreciate it much more. Yes, And they would go
all out. They would say, I can't, I can't put
it into words. How grateful I am right now, I'm

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feeling like a new born.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And where were you?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
You were late? You should have come much before. And
I would like you to come to my friends.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
And that is why. That is how I got introduced to.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
New countries, because people would just invite me to new cities,
new countries and say, just do this program.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
And it is so realized. It is very unique. We
have not experience.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
How do they host their guests like we have? They
also have this, They have that spirit of.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
They just don't say it as a thought.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
But they live it.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
How is your experience meeting the head of the states there?
Because you were Also you're still invited by many countries
to become the permanent member. So ironical that people are
fighting to get that space. They get married in a
certain countries, they get a job to see what's happening
in America. But how was your experience when they invite you,

(32:40):
especially the head of the states in such places where
the social fabric is so beautiful in a way, how
is your experience with the head of the states in
West Africa?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I feel now the world is opening up between our spirituality.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
There is this shift which has come in the last
two decades.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
People people are trying to find something more than what
comes to the naked eye. And that is how when
we met government officials, diplomats.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
They would be like, please teach me.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
I've heard my friend has done it. I went to
US and Europe and you know, I bummed into a
yoga studio, but I have never experienced so.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
At higher level hierarchy. Also, they're open to they're not
arrogant and clothes that where are the bosses running the country?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
So in fact it's the other way around.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
They feel that this is the new school in the
world because they have been you know, they have.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Been educated in Europe for America, so they are more open.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
They have been their parents have been lucky.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Out of the lot to go out. Yeah, for them,
it becomes more value.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
So they were very appreciative.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Of what was the biggest learning ancor there because existing
in a space of conflict, poverty, a space which where
everything is so dark. All the terms we are using
about West Africa seems like underdeveloped, he poor, Hey, conflict area. Hey,
there are some countries you went there which were literally
into a high conflict zone. You said there are places

(34:13):
to a continuous civil war. So what is the point
of what is the basis of survival there? We are
not able to survive with everything calm, peaceful. In India
there are pockets and states where continuous cross firing and
issues have been going on, but not the whole of
the country. There you have visited do country I think
Liberia if I'm not wrong, where civil.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Wars had happened had happened.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
So they have gone through a stress speeded, elongated one.
How what have they found as a space of survival.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I feel we are very resilient things. If put if
pushed it to a corner, we find out way out,
we come back.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
We really get the best out of whatever available. And
that is what I could see in these underdeveloped countries.
They have found their way to live, to exist, to thrive.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Without losing values, because I don't see them become the
fanatics as some countries underdeveloped have created fanatics in the world.
You know, they've come out with people who are damaging
the whole existence. We don't hear of West Africa going
to lie.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
No they Yeah, I feel they have not lost their values.
They have been pushed to the corner, but they still
are standing strong and are still willing to give.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I had an incredible experience.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
I was in this bus, very small bus, it holds
just ten people, and I was out of cash and
this guy asks me the ticket and I say, I
forgot to get cash, and all of them just turned
around and they told the conductor don't ask from him.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
We are just going to pull in and we're going
to be That touched me.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
They did not get married, you throw you out and
that it would have been a curos.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, I was so touched. And these people are not
very affluent. They're traveling in this bus. It's a very
it's a very.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Small somehow managing.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, And I felt so overwhelmed that this is the
essense of having.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
They're forgiving, They're very forgiving, and they're so loving.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
For people who have come from abroad or and they
feel so protective about you.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Where are you going? Should I walk you?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I thought it will be the other way. You will
be suspicious throughout your journey. Any man looking at you,
you would be thinking that is.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
How I started in Africa.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
But I completely any incident which scared you out there.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I felt there were times when I was walking back
home at night and I would be very a lot
of who is working? What is the distance?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Because they all build up bigs so he don't know
how you would handle them. Yeah, So that is I
think a little bit not scared, but very aware.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
How are women?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Women are very entrepreneurs Oh really.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Despite it not being so developed, they know the idea
of entrepreneurship.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Because I feel sometimes life pushes you to become an entrepreneur,
isn't it.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yes, in rural India, we have most of them doing
handicrafps work. We just didn't give them money.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
And because of so much of our gender based violence
and a single parents is a very common thing.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh, so are they very oppressed the women? Is there
a patriarchy also?

Speaker 3 (37:44):
I would say in a very different way, not as
we see it here. But we would go to hospitals
to serve and we would find women who are not
able to pay their bills because they don't know who
the father is and they have just given birth to
a child and the hospital is not letting them out
because they have not paid the bills. So you would

(38:05):
actually go and pay the bills so that they could be.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
They would abandon the lady.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah, they would not abandon. They were not there. They
were not there since day one. And then I heard
that this is very common.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
So single woman, unmarried women, all these aspects are accepted
and it's felt as if it's just normal. It's just
there and they respect women.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Again, it's very contextual. I feel in one sense they
really respect women. In India. The way we respect women
is very different than how in West Africa they respect.
I feel, if you are walking alone at night, you

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will never feel unsafe.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
In Africa, so that kind of.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Fear you don't need to because nobody will look at you.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
You single woman let's take a chance.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Let's take a chance or let they take this opportunity.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
That feeling is not but there must be a feeling
of the woman is leading or doing better than a man.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Is there a I am not sure?

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Then okay, so that respect is there, that she's a
woman and she deserves.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
To be safe. Yeah, and I was so happy to
see that.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
It is not a favor or a woman.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
You're safe even in public place, your conduct, your vibrations.
You can feel that when you are a single woman
in a bus or something, you can feel the vibes
and you would feel so safe there.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
That is something very beautiful.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
If you go back now, or you are going back now,
what is that you want to take from here for them?
Not MUTI really, but you're going back with what from
India to give?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
What?

Speaker 1 (39:57):
What are you creating your investors time?

Speaker 3 (40:00):
I would like to take back what we went through
our journey as India because they will be able to
relate to it.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
If we can do it.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
They can also do yes, so India stands for hope
for them, yes, because we went through a.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Lot of the British era, the BA and we were
shattered culturally, emotionally, everything we had lost everything, we had
lost our soul, but we could revive it. And this
is a message, This is a very powerful real life
scenario for you to replicate as Africans, that you can

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do it.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
And only you can do it. Nobody is going to
come to your rescue.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
You are empowered, you are blessed, and you are ready.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
And at the time for Africa has.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Come now that they've related to out of living closely there,
how was out of the related to West Africa? What
are you guys doing in particular only for them that
you think is something designed for the people.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
So one thing which is very which I feel very
strongly about is part of living is starting prison skill
centers and that is a that not.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Just gives them a sense of purpose as prisoners.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I think in India we have that people are into
some activity, they are not there the same the culture
of people prisoners given some job and train it.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
It is there, but it is in pockets.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
We want to make this a culture that don't see
prisoners as prisoners, but see them as an asset to society.
When they come out, let them be plumbers, electricians.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
They can get the faith back.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah, and that is what art of living is instilling,
and we have these youth empowerment programs where we are
sharing experiences of success stories where in all over the
world where youth have taken a very strong stand and
they have become change makers rather than complaining my government
is not called, my country has been oppressed. You come

(42:14):
from a space of responsibility that this generation is going
to take.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
They are smart, the young, the youth, they.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Are not very smart, very aware and there.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
You have engagement with any youth that took you off.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Hey Ford, with whom I started podcast, his passion for Africa,
the zeal the enthusiasm, his eyes light up when he.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
No regrets of coming from there.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
He was so he's so proud of being in Africa,
and that is how he started the podcasts. With him,
I said, you have been taking podcasts. Now I am
going to interview and he shared his life story and
it was incredible.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Are they able to forget what wrong? They have suffered?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
So emotional they want to forget otherwise it will pull
them down. But they don't want to forget it because
that is the driving force.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
If you know what you have gone through, that will
become a source of inspiration.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
You want to forgive, but not forget.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yes, forgive, but.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
What an incredible journey. I think we should have one
series on your each country.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Is it now? Isn't it so beautiful? Doesn't it give
you a different perspective?

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yes, we always question that should we forget? Should we forgive?
How do we forgive? Are they curious that people over
there have questions? Or they were only learning what you're
doing a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Of questions, a lot of questions. What is karma?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
They want to know this.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
They want to know because you know these days on
Instagram you hear so much, so they want to know
what a spirituality?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
What is real?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Another greedy for money? For ambitious is the right word.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
So they are ambitious. They are very ambitious.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah, they want to go out, they want to visit
Heurope America.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
But their dreams are not to become the best billionaire
has to be from West Africa. What are the ambistions?

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Like? They want to they want to travel. Yeah, they
want to dance. They want to travel all over the world.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
It's not about money, it's not about fame.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
It is about money because they have gone property, so
they want money to have the power. They want to
earn the dollars US dollars is a very big thing.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yes, it is very attractive coming back to indiank or.
Now you have come here, you keep coming and going.
You have recently traveled to other rural adia before going
to West Africa, you were in rural space in India.
Where do you think we have It's not just about
Indians per se. Where our new generation is going? What
is the stumbling because I think even the next generation

(44:53):
and beyond that can relate to the millennials and before
that problems are generally common. What are we evolving into?
We say Hamsa evolved am sub spiritual astmag evolution kiahora.
The problems are still the same. Depression abl not spoken much.
Societal tendencies are vplab. We do have incidents, we do

(45:14):
have everything has always been there. What is the shift
that you can see?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
There's a very big shift. This context which you have
brought is very true. At the same time, there is
a group of people which where they're looking for answers
and this reflects so well in Mahakum. You know, so
many young people from urban India are going to Mahakum

(45:45):
for answers.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Otherwise they were treated like we go for a cold
play exactly, I don't want to go to Mahaku.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And I saw this research which said that twelve years
back when the comb happened, yes, there were not so
much participation from urban youth. What what does this show
you that people are really looking for answers. People are
looking for guidance, but they are a little skeptic.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
They want authentic guidance.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
They want a generation wants they verify the facts. They
are not blindfold they will they will really really ask you.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
This shift is good.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
This shift is very good.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
People without knowing are getting into spirituality and that is
why Masters Ravishankaji has such a big youthfullowing all over
the world and specifically in India.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
And it is incredible the.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
Kind of questions they ask and when their questions are answered,
they are like, I am sold.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
It is okay.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
If they asked to me like earlier, you would just
believe you told us, come, will come, you told us
do this, we will do. But if they start questioning everything,
it is I feel.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
It is very it's very healthy.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Because you should be given a chance to ask questions.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
If I ask you to define some of these terms,
for the new generation, how would you define depression for them?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
I think depression is an illusion. There is no depression.
Just come out, Just come out.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
The whole world is waiting for you. I myself went
through so much anxiety and depression in life, and I
now realize there is no reason for it. You have
made depression a part of yourself as a choice.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Come out of it.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
And if they say how to come out, these.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Are the tools which we share serve people. Reach out
to people.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Have a conversation with a cab driver and see what
he is going through. You will come out of your challenges.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Find the answers and some other story.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
Yeah, reach out like you are doing so. You meet
people from so many different walks of life. It gives
you such a beautiful perspective. Times your questions are answered
by something which is not related. So let's move out.
Let's walk out of our house, and there is no depression.
The world is here for you to enjoy. There's so

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much the world has to offer.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
And the next thought is what is success? When should
a general, a youngster say I'm successful.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
You know, I'll go I'll take a step back. I
would say, don't compare yourself with anyone. That is when
success becomes direct because you define your success depending on
someone else, which has nothing to do with your success.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
It is relative relative, It is not absolutely no.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
It is like that famous example.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
You cannot judge a fish by how it climbs a tree,
right if you give that parameter to the fish.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
There is no parameter.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
There is no parameter. Only and only you can define
success for yourself.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
The day you start defining success depending on others, you
will always be a feeling.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
A rich person is more successful than.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
A which is again very relative.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
You know, the feeling of a rich person can feel
very poor, a poor person can feel very rich.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
It's very subjective.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
That's why.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Isn't it so the success thing? We really need to
think about it, But because it's pulling us down. I
meet so many young people I'm not successful, who said.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
You're not success?

Speaker 1 (49:25):
And what about for this generation? The last thing they
want to know is what is happiness? From the term
of stress, depression success. They do come and say, I
am not happy. I don't know what is happiness? What
is happiness? Should they look for happiness in musical concerts,
which is booming out? Music gives a lot of relief,
but again it's complimented with a lot of other other

(49:45):
things they take in to enjoy the music. Nobody goes
to music music without drinks, without other elements. So where
is the absolute happiness? What is happiness? Then they say
it's so temporary. I earned so much and I burn
it to get that happiness. For yes, then again on
and then again born.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
The more you so, I come from a Marvai family,
and I'm so grateful that I was so privileged since childhood,
and I would always say I'm not happy and I
had everything on my fingertips. Later I realized that happiness
is within. Just sit with your eyes closed and you

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will find that you are a source of happiness.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Where are you looking for?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Not in friends, not in acceptance in the groups.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Are Once you have found that, then when you go
out you don't need In fact, you become a source
of happiness for those friends. You don't need it because
you are generating it. It's like you have become an
electrical powerhouse. You are generating your own electricity. Otherwise, this
is very interesting. You have to hear this. Just imagine

(50:59):
two people meeting each other, both are miserable.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
What are they going to.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Share, and we say, oh, friends.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
And they'll compare like, I am less miserable.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
And then we say, oh, I have friends, but I'm
not happy. How can two beggars give money.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
To each other but that gives them comfort?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Like?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
The problem is very short and we have all experienced.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Because it's jealousy and all comes from there. Someone is
doing better, You're jealous, you're not happy.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
We have all gone through it. This is there is
no secret in it. We have all gone through it,
but will come out of it. We will, of course
come out of it if we take a step back,
and if we just start to hear ourselves, to experience ourselves,
and that happens through meditations. That is how I experienced happiness.

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Just just take a step back.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Stop.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Isn't it a battle the moment we wake up? Aren't
we rushing through the day? Are we taking a step
back to say that.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Let me stop, let me just be with myself for
a few moments. And then you practice this day in
and day out.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
When you practice version meditation, you realize that the whole
thing has changed.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Even with technology growing. You think this whole generation can
hold use technology wisely and then rush with it. Because
with technology, we're rushing faster.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Technology will complement it.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
In fact, technology will not be an impediment but will
help you evolve.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Now it is all the day, reels, all the day
social media. So they are saying should we use or
not use?

Speaker 3 (52:39):
It is not about use or not use. It is
about poison can be a medicine if it is taken in.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
The right how to use. You know how you should
know how to use.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Real can be a very good thing for you, and
it can also be a recession.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
You just can take it as an addiction.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
So what is the keyword here? Opposite? Yeah, if you're.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Obsessed about anything, if you're obsessed about real social media people,
then it then it sucks you, Then it drowns you.
Otherwise life is so beautiful. I'm telling you I've experienced.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
You know, I've just seen this word today. People talking
about I'm doing meditation is not called oh my god,
You're not looked down upon. In my time, I would
go and tell my college and going out of what
is wrong? Which so why this sudden acceptance has come
Someone is doing yoga meditation, people look up.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I think technology has played very.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Because youngster is also proud to say mikoo.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Because celebrities, because people from all walks of life are
embracing all over the world today in your in America,
yoga is a billion dollar industry.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
So and we are used to replicating Westor, isn't it so? Nowadays?
I think it's a fad. It's cool.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
It has been accepted, been accepted, and people are taking it.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yeah, very very beautifully.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
And you leave us in with your and Guruji's intimacy.
How is your relation with Shishi Ravi Shankar in your journey.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Of I think it started with her very innocence.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
You did you understand Guru?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Did you believe?

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Then? Guru I was very skeptic.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I was very skeptic because we are coming from our
business family and we have been we have been brought
up in an environment where everyone is here to use you,
everyone is here to take your money. So I came
from that space, which is a space of skepticism doubt.
But when I met I met him with open mind

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and innocence. But later I realized that I feel very
connected to him since a very long time.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I don't know why. Even before meeting.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I feel he is mine and I am his and
we are together since ever since ever, this feeling has
come after I felt, after I really started experiencing in
the in the true sense of the word, that Master

(55:22):
Guru is not a body.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Are you getting what?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
He's not a person. It's a principle and it is
it is you.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It is not true. It is just you, and that
is the most.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's very securing. But and I I feel nothing else
is there in life. I feel if he's there, I
can take everything.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
It's very complete. Diver you you don't feel income?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
How do you? How does your family now embrace your journey?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
There have been such a support. In fact, because of them,
I'm able to do yes.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I think I started with them. Had it not gone
through that, it wun't have come so beautifully.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Through They are.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
They are the reason why I am here and why
I'm able to do this.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I sell.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I always say that all the good karma I am doing,
just give it to.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
My family because.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
You don't want.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
You're a giver, yeah, because when you feel full, you
can only give.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
And I feel I have received.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
You have met people who were not full yet they
could give.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
So imagine, just imagine, just put yourself in my shoes.
What have you seen for after that?

Speaker 1 (56:34):
You'll feel helpless if you don't even go you have everything,
your platesful, you're not giving.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
You will feel so bad about you. Like yeah, Like
come on.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
How do we wrap this by defining who is a today?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
No, it is about losing myself. It is about losing.
Only then I can find So we can only find
you when we.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
When you can when he's not there, you can find.
I feel the more I am able to surrender, the
more I am able to let go, Only then I
can I can know.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Who is because even if you leave the space you
think it stays.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
It's very ironical.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
The more you lose yourself is the more you That
is when you find yourself, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Sometimes we lose ourselves in wrong ways. We think we
are losing.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I mean losing in the context of surrendering to a
higher power.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Not losing out too small. I lost into a love relation.
All that triviality has to.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
Do los just merging with consciousness, and then you really
make the best use of your time. Then your presence,
your whole presence, becomes so beautiful. People feel so nice
just in your presence, people feel healed, just.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Talking to you. It makes me feel now that I've
known West.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Africa for long, you must come.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
I would like to invite you to misst Africa and
experience it first stand, because it really really gives you
a completely different perspective about how to live.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
On a serious note, how you carried it to us
is how we've received it. So they say how you
say is how it is received. So I think you
brought to us it in a very pleasant way that
I think now I won't be even skeptical going there. Yeah,
because this whole skeptism was a narrative we draw and
that you could bring us the real picture. It is
so easy, we won't be scared that we're going to

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underdevelop nation. I mean that also when I'm looking forward
to it, because it's so way.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
Inward, because I feel you create that ecosystem through this podcast.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You create a very comfort I feel very comfortable.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I don't feel I'm I'm in a studio in a podcast.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
It just feel we're just see home.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah, very you mean like I'm it's a very good
friend and we are just sitting over a cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
And just just hard hard, So that I.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Feel is very important that is the essense of India
podcast and that is the that is your USB and
that is what stands out in today's world where we
are bombarded with information, when you bring authenticity and genuine
interest in others life.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I personally believe everybody has the power and skill to express.
So I think the more they express, the only thing
is direction what you are giving how to Sometimes yesterday
we were talking how to put things in context. That
is missing out and.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Then they're like, but I'm really looking forward to you
interviewing people from different walks of life and you will
bring the best.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Now and now I'm more excited to go and beyond Indias. Yeah,
I think that's what you have liked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
To invite you to Africa, especially West Africa, East Africa not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I think it is very important that we bring the
global experience here and not just talk about like in India.
Right now, we're podcasting within each other, so it's over
similarity of let's relate the world to each other. Let's
not go beyond them.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
That should be the vision of India.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yes, let's not make it only within it. Thank you
so much, Anchor. It is so beautiful and we can
go on. I think I want to make series. Every
time you come, every time you come with new experience,
we talk.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
It is such a pleasure I feel. I feel I
have just shared my heart out and it was effortless
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
It was a memory I left in a train conversing,
conversing with you. When we're going to Mango ashroom, that
image stray and this is the I'm still in the
same You were sitting the other side like this with
no video camera, nothing is talking like this, and I
remember that, Serim, this is the second image I've created.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Thank you so much for creating this platform.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Thank you for coming. We were I'm very happy I
made me it. Yesterday I wouldn't know. I didn't know
you were.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I'm so grateful because this also helps me hear what
I'm saying. Yes, and I feel I have gone through
so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I've experienced so much, so this gives you a lot
of confidence and I'm grateful. Thank you, Thank bless you.