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In this soul-stirring episode of Unscripted Wisdom, Akhliesh Parmanu joins host Anku Goyal for a deep and transformative conversation on leadership, inner strength, spiritual evolution, war and peace, and the timeless wisdom passed down by gurus who shaped civilizations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Many times you cannot know everything. Also, okay, how good
(00:03):
they say? It's very nicely, say's good John Kitchello, Which manelo.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
How did you go into this I journey?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Were you like the sharpest the topper or you had
a pressure from the family.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
So life is more than a job money.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is for the first time I realized that people
who are successful, they're so used to being successful they
cannot accept the fact that I need help. If I
want to become a better version of my own self,
I have to start spending time with myself.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
There's no rocket science here. Yeah. In my college I
had a nickname because ay, I'm angry young man.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh you, I was very short tempered. I'm not saying
I'm perfect now. Life is always about perspective and always uh,
there's a fight of perspective, you can say. So, of
course we have to be strong as a country. Also
we have to be very very strong.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
But war can never be the way according Strum.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
After that, I could see a tankible difference or something
has shifted, and I realized that is how I started
the journey. Sorry, Raja, it was a guru.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Was the most important part of any raja to sustain Raj.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know, Okay, thank you so much. It is a
pleasure to have you with us in Kolkata.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
First.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, thanks a lot, you know, and I love How
was your experience? How early did you wake up today?
And where have you come from? How was it?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I was doing a tracking up there in North Malayas
and then then I came because we have a course
here in Kolkata. And today for the first time, I
went to kaligat first time.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
First time.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yes, it was beautiful, Yeah, David temple, it was like
it was really really amazing. Must be crowded, not really,
not really and especially I like, you know, it was
quite structured that way normally in temples and all you see,
you know, a lot of you know, people moving around,
its chaos.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It was not the case yet.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I am for sure. I have been on the other side.
I am spiritual. I have been on the side. So
I understand, uh, both sides quite well, you know, the
people who don't believe in it and people who don't
who believe in it. So I think I can walk
a middle path and I can connect to both types
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of what.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Shifted Like you were a complete non believer.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, there was a time. There was a time I
never used to enter temple. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So I remember I broke my neck when I was
in class tenth while playing at tournament, you know, cricket
tournament and then you know my monk enough like you
know if my you know. So, I remember my mom
took me to this place called a gum coin but night.
It's very famous again temple and I remember when my
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mom went inside, I was standing outside. I will not go.
That's the kind of a person I was. I never
used to enter the temple also.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And the reason was because you got hurt and you
are no.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, the reason was. You know, see, when you're young,
you want to be righteous. You see things more logically,
and you have a linear thought. You know, you don't
have a spherical thought.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You don't make question everything.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know, especially because you know when when
you see all those pundits there, so they are fighting
for you.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Know, money, money you are giving and why not this
Perisa and take bersad.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So many times you take things on face value and
then you don't understand what is beyond all this. So
it's much more on the face value. So with that
face value, I thought, you know what's the point of
doing all this. Yes, yeah, so that is where I
lost the touch, and it took me some time.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And now when you look at those bundits, what do
you think.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Good.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
They're doing a good job there.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But I hope they are more spiritual, they meditate more.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, they are more stress free. And because.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
They're like torch bearers of religious religion at least, if
not spirituality. So if they are more if they understand
why are we doing what we are doing, then you
can connect to all these young people, you know, because
when when young people, intelligent people, they want to know
why am I doing this? Yes, it's not just blind faith.
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They're not going to listen to those blind faith. Yeah,
Dad has said this, and I have to do this.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You start questioning everything.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, and which is fine.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And which you think nobody answers.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Because people they don't understand.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They don't know even if the thing is right, they
don't know how to convey to us.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, but you know, many times you cannot know everything.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Also, Okay, that doesn't mean that that practice is wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, you know, even to the extent you know, you
don't you don't understand the person. Yeah, the love maybe
you know when you know the person maybe you know
many times on a lighter.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You know you know how it works. You know when
when a child is born, Mark Anthony, mm hmm, it
is it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Is the body attachment.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know there is a love is beyond all this.
So as you know, they say is very nicely.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Says good.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Man, how much to because as you're saying, intelligence until
it can go against us.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Also, so see how it works? Is pele.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Jo right, has a small child?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You have no digestive system. Over the time you understood it?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh when I got really was in trouble.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You don't. You don't understand electricity. Most of us.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can We not know everything? And then it will make
it better.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Again.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
As I said, you know, knowing has its own limitation
because head, you know, mind has its own limitation. True them,
you know, life is not linear, it's more quantum.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So what do you have to see for the youngsters
who are like you or who are like you, who
don't believe in religious practice, but they're still looking for
some faith and devotion?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So what should they do? What? How will they come
to the shift?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So so what I tell them? You know, if you're intelligent,
then you will go by experience.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, So see for example, if I have glab jam
on and glave Jaman is tasty, I don't have to
go into it cab and I know it is.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Tasty, So you experience first.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So any practice, for example, you're talking about you know,
faith or some pranaiam or some meditation, so you practice
is first before discarding it or accepting it.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So this is what is intelligence.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know that My wisdom says that if I'm experiencing,
So if I have an experience with you, and I
know that you're a good person, you have helped me,
so I will take it that way, so I will
not have blind faith on you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
At the same time, because of my.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Preview, giving a chance, you have to be open.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You know, you have to keep your mind open. That
is a sign of intelligence. Einstein kept his mind open.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's a tough thing because intelligence always takes you to
a blockhead. And I want to know that from you,
because it did not stop with your story of you know,
being in class nine, as you said, a young boy
who got you know, hurt in the tournament cricket thing.
But my understanding from you and I want to develop
is how did you go into this I t journey,
well you like the sharpest to the top, or you
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had a pressure from the family, you had a society.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm originally from Behar. Okay, do you know anybody from Behr?
You know you have to do what you have or
so basically, my mom wanted me to become a doctor
because my brother was already towards the engineering side. So
but you know, the moment I used to look at biology,
it is to like, you know, I will vomit it out.
(08:25):
So I told you my mom, you know, medical the
possible engineering I can think of. So that is and
you know, I have a tendency that if I'm doing something,
I will do it nicely.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
M m.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
There is one thing that is there since childhood around
even if I don't like it for the time being
that I'm you know there, then you will do it
nice you know.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I will. I will, I will do justice. Excell Yeah yeah, yeah,
that that that was there. So I just tried it
out there.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But I she's not.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You know, if you see.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In hindsight everything that has happened and that was good,
it just happened. Look back in our life and.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
See but when it was happening. It was tough.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I hope of course today must have been as Yes,
if I had my sense.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I had my arm.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Failures, you can say I had my frustrations for sure.
There's no My dad never believed that I'm going to
qualify at.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Did you believe?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I think I believed. But I was not a hard worker.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
That's tough because as we understand cracking, these exams are
like really being.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
On the and those thereciety used to be more on
the mind side and intelligent side than the hard works.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
But of course you need hard work, you not just
it just happened.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Of course, not happened. How is there?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah? So basically you know, as they say, what woo,
regist that person.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So I never wanted mechanical engineering because I used to
hate mechanics.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Anything that was a was to be done by you.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, so I ended up in mechanical engineering either.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So the question again, so when ATI happened, one, how
was the reaction around you?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And then how did you take it from there?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And Bihar, if you're there and ity happens, then everybody for.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Everybody or a god, so everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Around you know, neighbors, Tata, valid, everybody is like you
you know, so all that happens. Yes, everybody will come
to house and they will say, you know, amazing, can
you help my son?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
And all that happens. So of course I had my
share of fame. You can say that way, yes, no, no, no, no,
it continued art.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I remember I was in Norway and I was talking
to the ambassador, the Indian ambassador to Norway. And so
till the time, everything was going well, everything was long
and he was talking normally. The moment he heard a
T and then art of living.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Is like, the reaction changed. Now even now.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, yea, even for somebody who is an ambassador for
them at is a biger.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's a mark that you're an intelligent mark man.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
You can see that we actually isolated when we interviewed
a you okay, we go back. We didn't have to
go in and read and find our researchers and all that.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So having achieved that, you.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Then thought, now what then also there was a whole
plan of growing into a special career.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
No, it was it was like that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You know, I remember when I had my first job. Job.
You know, they beat you up, but they may they
beat you up. You know, that's the culture there, right,
I don't know. Yeah, So every birthday I used to
get left right center, you know, the birthday bombs and
you know, similarly you have when you have jobs. So
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I remember they were lifting me up, beating me, celebrating
sort of my job, and I was like, is.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
This what I wanted?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Oh God, that moment. Yeah, it was like, I'm just
going to remember that moment.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I remember that moment you.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Up, you're having these thoughts.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, I was like, you know, there was an exact
thought in Hindi that came to me. Yes, this is
not going to justify or tell me how good I am.
This was the first out that I had, and that
is the time I realized that, of course, money is important.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I don't deny that career is important.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't deny that mm, but life is much more
than these two things. Because finally, even if you're earning money,
what do you want to earn money?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You want to be happy. You want fame? Why because
people will recognize you and that gives you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Happiness, isn't it? You have more likes on Instagram?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
What happens? Basically you're happy?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's what people are running for, that right,
so finally, this is what we're looking for.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
If you see, so life is more than a job money.
This is for the first time I realized.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Then because you got it all, you got the fame.
So once you got there, then the thought came.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Then you realize it because still the time you don't
have it, you're running.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Behind it, and a lot of people are spending the
entire life and just getting there.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And which is all right.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
See, unless you don't have something, how can you understand
whether it is important or not?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Which is perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I remember when I was preparing for at when I
happened again, nothing had changed. I was the same person,
my intelligence, except the valid, validfication that you know, we
get from.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
People allow us opinion about you.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Say, it's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So unless you got that, I taker degree, the same mind,
was not given the certificate which was later taken as
the great mind.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So this is exactly what I realized that day, and
I remember it was very intense. That's why I can
still feel it that you know, is this what I
was running behind?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Did that thought stay or just yes?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
State?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So of course I went for another because normally and
I you take two three jobs, so of course It
stayed with me. But I realized one thing that I'm
not here just for a job. And people ask me
today you know I tak kq brea you know upneake
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seat Lilia.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Many times people ask me these ques.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Imagine the same credit and appreciation has turned around because
there's more expected out of it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, so that's what I ask people. I say, after
I T, when you go into politics.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
After I am making a startup.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Startup, After I you do MBA, After I T, you
do c FA, which is fine. So I tell them
A mechanical engineers, So I would have made beautiful machines
today buying by being an art of living. I'm making
beautiful human beings. Yeah machine, So making beautiful human beings
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is more important than making beautiful machines.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
And you know, I can understand what those people in
I are going through. Not everybody will, because I have
been in that system.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It is not all happiness there, It is.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You go to its, you see how much of stress,
You see how much of pressure, peer pressure, career pressure, drugs,
You see how much is they're smoking, all the substance abuse?
Nothing against it?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Is it a fear of not getting the desired job.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Ah, no, no, no it's not there. See what happens.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Let's see, I'm in plus twelfth, right, and now I'm
preparing for AT so I'm in most of the cases,
I'm one of the toppers in my school.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
True, right now the moment I go to AT all
our toppers.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So this competition amongst the best.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
And then I'm no more topper. The probability is on
the higher side, right.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And then you're not used to not being a top,
then you're thrown in the insecure cell.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's such a beautiful process.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So if you can cope up with that change, you
survive the system.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
If you don't cope up with the change, you don't survive.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Most don't.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But then that's where you know, a many times when
the stress comes, peer pressure comes. Yeah, then people go
for substance abuse, people have depression.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Of course, pressure that you.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Have, you know, and you have to come out big
after it because then they expect you and I and
what have you done?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So the professors are there, you have to have finish
your task the timings, and of course you need to
have fun also, right because all these four five years
you have spent you know, working hard, so finally you
want to come out and enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So first year goes like that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, first year goes like that, Yeah, and then you
realize by the time your second year, most of them
they realize, oh, I have not studied anything in first year.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And that is what the shift happens. At least those days.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I'm sure things might have changed now, but I see
peer pressure more now, the competition more now because everybody
wants to go outside India. They want to do much more.
You know, with Instagram and all this, you have more information.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But you don't have a direction how to bring it together.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, and with that stress, you don't know how to
under that stress.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know this?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I want to know because this is a major section
where intelligence or intellectual people are more isolated than the
ones who are Mediocracy has definitely been given an attention
because they've called out for it. But do you think
the intelligent lot is suffering more in themselves and outside?
And how do they look into it? Because I get
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so many we interview so many people. They are big
corporate owners, the startup owners, and they come up with
this whole struggle in themselves even now and they're all
it and zims. So they say, we don't find a
room in a normal room because we appear better and
then in our circle also be very isolated. So what
to do? And they don't know meditation. When we talk
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to them, they're like, I'm THO successfully.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Exactly, we don't have pain, we have money.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, we don't accept the facts that we are
also human beings and we go through all the emotions.
So especially people who are confident, as I said, people
who are successful, they're so used to being successful they
cannot accept the fact that I need help.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It is difficult for them to seek help. It's like,
why will I beg? I have everything?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Exactly because they have always done everything on their own
because they are successful.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
They are you know, people idolize them, people look up to.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Them, so they can't let go of that position. Many
times they carry that position in their head always.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Are they successful?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Is this a thought?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Because you're saying they have done it themselves the help
of many people. They're intelligent, So what to do? Why
should they find their way because they then get a blocked.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
See the way you look at it is, of course
they are successful. You know, one perspective efficency. But you know, God,
they says many times, very nicely, says, the sign of
success is not heart attack. The sign of success is
not high BP. Sign of success is a smile that
is there with you, an undying smile that part people
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don't realize. So this is, you know, half success. It's
not complete success. So you have done something in the
material world. But finally, the purpose why do you want
to be success? Because it gives you happiness because you
like it, but you're not able to enjoy it because
you're not taking care of your own self. So you're
taking care of everything around you, what you're achieving, but
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you're not taking care.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Of your own self.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It finally it has to go wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's like you are making a building, but the base
is not strong because you can't see the base, so
you don't take care of the base. So you see
money insecure degree of course, of course, of course, what
is ego? Basically it goes nothing but self image? You know,
how do you look at yourself from others perspective? You
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know good that says this, very nice he says, ego
is nothing but a sense of separation.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
You know that I am something.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I am big now I have money, or I am small.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Long that is also ego. I am better than you
and I'm not as good as you.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Both are ego. A sense of separation is ego.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, and especially if you see people who think that
I'm better than others, at times they will feel I'm
not as good as somebody.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yes, immediately they find so there is a cycle, yes,
and they can't take it.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Then they can't take that part.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So because they want to be better than others.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
How to understand your intelligence if you're saying you're an I,
and how do you look at yourself as a human being?
And if you make it big? Suppose when I say
big in the material world, you're really owner of a
big company. Today, you have your team working, you're getting awards,
but still you don't know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
What is that state of mind? Is it a happy mind?
Is it a discontent?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And you're not looking at yourself as a human being.
You are looking at yourself as a CEO. So you
you have different roles like I'm a husband, sibling, son, uncle.
Are you getting a point? Yes, So I have different roles.
So you have to understand where to play which role.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I'm a trainer.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Times i am trainer, But if I'm carrying the same
image in my own head everywhere with my mom or
with my friends, it's not going to work. So if
you're sex, you know what happened. Let let me tell
you a story. Okay, you're from media, so you'll know.
So once there was this teacher. He was conducting a
workshop for media people. You know, I'm talking about top
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notch media people, the CEOs and all.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
The editors and editors and all of them.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So this teacher was very concerned, you know, and very
he was like, you know, what to talk because you're
a little scared to talk to media, Yeah, because how
they will take care and ask you fact and prove Yeah,
and you know how how they will you know, sort
of twist those words and all. So he was very concerned.
You know, he's like what to say and all. He
was little nervous right at that time. Good they walked
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in and he was very relieved. Thank god, he will
handle it now. So they've sat and the first question
that came to they was this only a media, how
do you look at us media people? You know, what
they said exactly what I just said. As human beings.
So we look at people from you know, he's from media. Yeah,
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he's a he's he's the richest man in the world,
he's you of this company, or he's somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
There so many labels we have given.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
But finally, behind everything, he's a person. And what our
person goes through, he will go through. And if he
does not take care of himself, he will go through
everything that you cannot imagine.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
How can the meditation and you've gone through out of living,
and now you've started not just gone through, you've practiced
it and you're helping others share the knowledge around in
your way, How do you think this can really be helpful?
Because practically people want.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
To know employee company, our chairs.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
A valuation pressure paper do nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Works, especially if you have shareholders.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Shareholders they want to practically past twenty four?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Do you want me to sit and do all the day?
What really works?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So let's say, what's your hobby? Can I ask you?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I love dancing?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You love dancing? Anything else?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Talking and cycling, playing with kids?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
So if you want to be a good dancer, what
do you have to do?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I think I have to do that. I have to
do with music without music just just do to spend
time with spend time with it, with the dance and
mirror and all.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You know, if you want to be a better cook,
what do you do me in the kitchen? Cook?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Spend some time either watch cooking or do it.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, if you want to be a good steamer, what.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Do you do in or do whatever is required?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
So, if you want to do the best version of
your own self, what do you have to do? Your science?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You have to be with yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
If I don't take care of myself, how can I
become the best version of my own self.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's very tough. Be with myself means what sit.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
To No, No, we will come to that. Let's let's
start with that. Let's take step by step. So as
we talked about. You know, if you want to be
good in talking as an anchor, let's.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Say you have to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You cannot become a good anchor on day one of
your jobs.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You have to do you have to learn grow this.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
This is not so.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
If I want to become a better version of my
own self, I have to start spending time with myself.
There's no rocket science here. If you're little intelligent also,
you will understand this. Much right, and then you can
have your own way. It is writing a journal. Maybe
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I'm okay with that. See, the first thing that you
need is a.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Good quality.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
M then then the recipe will work.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Then whatever is however that so, if I have to
build a company, if I have to take care of
my employee, I have to first take care of myself.
If a doctor says I can be, I can be
the best doctor. Only when sary Maria, then he's not
a good doctor. He has to first take care of himself.
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Then only he can take care of people around him.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You've met anyone like that so many.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm sure you are also one of them. I am
also one of them. And of course our inspiration, you know,
that is why we need to meditate. That is why inspire.
Apart from whatever you're doing, maybe you are writing a journal,
you're playing some sports, you're having your own me time,
you're having your own family time.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Apart from whatever you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Are doing, you need to sit with yourself because when
you sit with yourself, you understand yourself. You know, if
when you're talking about a company of six hundred people
and billion of dollars, maybe top line, bottom line, whatever,
you know the most important thing is you know, if
you want to be excellent, IQ doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
EQ EQ is what works, as they say, EQ is
the next I.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Q idn't known.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
So if you're EQ, because when.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're going on the top, if you're going let's say
you're playing cricket at you know, at that level, almost
everybody is equally talented.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
So you mean when when our cricketers play, they all
skilled and talented.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Of course you said it. They have practiced over the times.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Almost what differentiates them is their EQ.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
How do they handle the pressure?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Were never trained about it?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But no, no, you see you talk about it these days.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yes, we talk.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
About when when Indian cricket team they went for you know,
the World Cup, they take a mental.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Coaches they have to Earlier it was only physical coach.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, I remember Patty Upton used to be there in
twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
When you're in the World Cup, Gary.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Kristen, even those those people need at.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That level because you know, when there's so much a pressure,
last ball five runs, so your.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Thoughts can overpower and take you off the ground totally.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So you have to find your way. But of course
meditation helps a lot. That is my experience and I'm
not just talking about you know some theory. I have
seen at least maybe forty fifty thousand people I would
have reached out to.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It has made a difference in your approach to life.
Of course, you seem to be always an easy person.
So what has it done to you?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah? In my college, I had a nickname because a
why I'm angry young man?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh you are?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I was very short tempered. I'm not saying I'm perfect now.
I used to be a very short temper person. You
ask my mom. And that is how my mom agreed
that I should continue what I'm doing because when I
was teaching my first course, she came as a participant
to check what is.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It doing.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And when when when she saw me, how I have improved?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
She said that was her exact line. So, and I
have traveled across I have.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Taught maybe in a Buddhist country, I have taught in
Muslim country. I have taught in Buddhist temples. I have
taught in churches. I have taught to white, too, brown,
to black across the world. And I have seen one
thing that people are people and meditation Susan Korea, whatever, they.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Have similar impact the emotions.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because finally, people are people. We find I remember I
went to Russia last last year. I had a very
different concept of Russians most of us. Yeah, I'm that tough.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Because of their president. They're cold, intimidation of.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm telling you, I had a shock of my life
how loving they are, how warm they are.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Is it that you invoked that from them?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
No, I mean that's how genuinely they are.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I'm telling you, I've seen them, you know, I met
them maybe once twice, and the warm that they have
maybe beyond the first thin layer that they keep. Maybe, yes,
So that is what I'm talking about. But beyond a
thin layer, people are people. So if they take care
of their mind, if they take care of their health,
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you know the stress that we go through.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And we are an emotional country. We have a lot
of emotions on the surface. So that will not help
us a we Is that a good thing that will
help us grow better?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Or is it there's nothing good or nothing bad.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So if you see any civilization, if you see we're
talking about Pilgrim right now, we're talking about Indus Valley
and all. So if you see any civilization you talk
about any civilized Indus value or whatever, nail, whatever, any civilization, right,
so jaape, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
And and emotions and water they are very similar.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That is why they say water will absorb your emotion.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Right totally, So.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Beach Mitchell, theiah within the banks, then life grows there.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But same river, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Flood and it's destructive.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
That's destruction.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So whenever emotions, it will help you grow.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
But when it is.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Channelized, otherwise it's a destruction.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It is not channelized, it destroys you, It destroys everybody
around you.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And we have seen this.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Our own emotion, if you see, has destroyed so many
beautiful things many times. If it was not controlled, people
around us were affected. But if same emotion can be channelized,
and that is the purpose, that is why we do meditation,
that we will do pranayama. That is why we are
because if you don't care of your emotions, it will
destroy you and people around you.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
When we're hearing these incidents of terror, do you think
these are the people with emotional imbalance or we we
have this idea of finettaics extremist They've been brainwashed. It
is a way they are. And then we get to
the religion. Religion as how.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Do you say the way I look at it, and
I have an interest in history and politics and all this.
If maybe you were born there in Syria or in Afghanistan,
maybe you were one of them. That's the right thing
because the culture they had, the teaching that they had
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because of select few people, as you said, brainwashed. And
see when a child is born, he's not born with
that tendency that I want to kill people. All right,
But the thing is whatever is you believe, that is
all right. But killing people you can justify whatever you
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believe might be, which is all right. I can have
a different belief, you can have a different belief, and
you can fight over it, you know, But if you
don't have the maturity at least to respect the other
person's belief, then I think you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Then the values have only human values completely.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
See, even if you're right, you know, but the way you.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Express it makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
You know, you kill people for that, It's not going
to work.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Even if someone has pushed me and I want to react,
If I just go and stab or shoot, that doesn't
justify the way.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So even if you're right, again, I don't want to
get into that right or wrong.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
But what I'm saying is even if you are correct.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You want to say that my way is the right way,
you cannot. You have to learn to respect the other person.
That's the minimum. This is what we have to understand
at least. And again not coming to the second part.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What I want to.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Say here again is I cannot change things overnight. I see,
I can make rules. Let's say I'm the president or whatever.
I can make some rules. I can use force, but
they will never last.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
See.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Any lasting effect that can happen in the world can
never happen with haste quickly. It cannot be forced. Even
in somebody's life. You cannot force somebody. You cannot do this.
You know what happens. You become a rebel. Then the
other person becomes a rebel.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Since you're so keen, you have gain interest in history,
the kind of history India hassy with many eras of
different reigns, Moguls, British. Then we have this Islamic takeover
all over happening. That's how it has been put out.
And it is shocking that even in this twenty twenty
five we are literally seeing something like a Jalia Alabah
kind of glimpse. You know, someone taking out and shooting.
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My idea is where history seems to be same. It's
like it's repeating itself. How are you looking at it?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Earlier we used to say not technology, neither to education,
neither to behave. Now you have technology, you are educated,
you have scope to do that. Still we want to
bring the similar attitude of dictatorship violence.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So what has changed in history?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
See, education is what information in most of the cases.
In most of the cases, and information can be both ways.
It can work both ways.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, it can.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
It can guide you, it can misguide you according to
the other person's perspective. So if I like it, I
can say it is guiding. If I don't like what
you are saying, I will say.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
You're a misguided that's See. Basically it's a it's a
war or perspective.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
That's a nice one. It's a war a perspective.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Everything in the world.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
See, I want to sell this toothpaste, so I will
say this is nice. If you want to sell sell
something else, you will say this is nice. If if
I have a coffee maker, I will say coffee is nice.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
We still have a war, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And if somebody makes whiskey. You will say, whiskey is nice?
Can you can you see what are we talking about here?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So life is always about perspective and always uh, there's
a fight of perspective.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You can say, now who wins?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Has continued to be like that?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
People have people again and can say five thousand years
emotions they told moderniation. Oh yeah, that's all. Nothing has changed,
if you see, because again people are people. They will
have craving, they will have anger, they will have jealousy,
they will have all these emotions they will have insecurity,
they want to promote what they think is right.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How how does the work world run?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Like?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
How do we place? Should we go for war every
few decades? Those century?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
See? What is never a solution? You know, I think
you know good?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
They said said once very important, something very important that
I really liked it. He said, when a strong person
talks about peace, you know it has some value. M hm.
So of course we have to be strong as a
country also, we have to be very very strong.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
But war can never be the way according.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
To strong you mean economically defends every.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Way, possibly because if you see, economically, if you're not strong,
it's not going to work. See how how British came
to us. They did not come to this country with
their forces. No, they came as a trading company.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Ah, the British company.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah right, they came as a businessman.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
So it's not that they're different, economics, social stuff different.
They're all one and the same. If you see, they
are very very connected. So you have to be strong
in every way possible. Yeah, you have to take action. Yes,
But again.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I'm saying something that you know.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And I think I really really appreciate in you that
way that we have never we were never the one
to attack any country, yes, to start something like that,
to start a war, we are never the one. But
at the same time, we have to be so strong
that somebody, if they want to attack us, they should
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be a.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Free to do that.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Is this in this case? Also is the reaction meaning
is not revenge? Is it just revenge or is it
like giving some kind of a subtle mess away?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Again, that's my personal you know understanding that it cannot
be a full scale war, for sure, it has to
be a small scale. You hit, you destroy those who
are doing whatever wrong they're doing. Yeah, and that's it.
You cannot, I think, wage a full scale war and
any country who indulges in a full scale war, the
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country's future is.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Not going to be good.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
The finance, the economics that you're talking about. People there,
the citizens there, they're going to suffer. You see what
happens to world What happened in World War two? What
happened to Britain? We are both World War one? World
War two? What happened to them?
Speaker 4 (39:27):
See where from being top of the world, See what
happened to them?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You destroy your own economy and from people.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
You see the Battle of style Grand what happened Leningrad
whatever you want to call it. For one year they
were under siege. They're eating their own shoes.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Smarter the ones who do not get into it.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
That's what America did.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
If you see something true, that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes, I mean that's very important to understand to have
a Again, this is my personal understanding and what I
have understood from history, is that a full skilled war,
if I'm going to get into you are going to
foresure what.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Are the few skills now that you can tell us?
That is very important. You come from that space of
having experience or tasted you know, knowledge academically, also excelling
around it. What are the few things that you've identified
in your life? Is very important as a skill in
a human to take themselves forward.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
The most important thing is you have to be a
little selfish. Okay, why I'm telling shelfish this little selfishness
is the biggest selflessness in the world.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
And what is that? Take care of.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Your mind only to that extent.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
To start with, because if you don't take care of
your mind, you will create chaos in everybody else's mind
around you. Okay, So many times we say no, I
want to take care of others. I don't want to
take care of my mind. I'm strong enough. I don't
need it. You know, we don't realize that everybody needs it.
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Like the way you want to eat your food, Come,
what may you have to menIt it? Do you have
to take care of your mind the way you take
care of your body. You take bath every day, you
take care of a dental hygiene, physical hygiene.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
You have to take care of your mental hygiene, as
simple as that. Right. Even if you're very strong, you
don't eat food, of course.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
You are going to fall sick after some time, right,
So take this, you start with this, take care of
your mind because Once your mind is right, then any
decision that you take is an intelligent decision, whether it
is about politics, whether it is about some micro level
individual level, or some macro level. A sane person, a
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more calm person, a more relaxed person. At the same time,
active person can take more logical, more intelligent decisions in life.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You don't need to all the time think of unique ideas, manipulation,
all these things.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
No need to see. When you are very confident, you
don't manipulate.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Okay, no, you see, Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
When you're very confident, you don't manipulate for your own benefit.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
See as a small child.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know, there's a child, the parents, they won't manipulate
the child for their benefit.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
They might manipulate, for.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yes, something for a wre not.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Eating, so they will they will show it, maybe a
small video the cloth.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know, but they will manipulate if they want to
go to a movie that.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Or at least not something that is going to harm
the person harm the baby. So a strong person normally
won't manipulate. When you're weak, you can't handle things. That
is when you manipulate it.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
So again and again I'm telling you you take care
of your mind. You see how confident you can become.
And once you are confident, you don't need to manipulate,
you don't need to run behind things. Happiness will come
behind you. People will come behind you. Success will come
behind you. But again and again, I'm telling you the
first thing that matters is your mind.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Now, before we almost go to the close of this discussion,
because we will continue, I think there's so much.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
It's so beautiful to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
It's just like I'm walking through some cave and if
we're talking through the whole journey. But when out of
living you have chosen or it chose you, whichever we
I look at it.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
How was that journey? It happened?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
You seem to be a confident, clear person in your
own way from the beginning. I don't see any a
moment of depression or heart break.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
If so, I don't know. You're married, not.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
My heart breaks, as I said, yes, but nothing extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I think that also happened for good. Now you're married
to a feuerful ladies and that worked in favor. How
did you come through this journey?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
What let you in? And what did you Because.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I said, you know again and again, see if you
love music, you want to spend time with music?
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Is it you love cricket? You want to spend time
cirkitt if you love yourself?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
So who told you go to Art of living for that?
Or you spotted Guruji on a teva?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
As I said, I was a communist.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
See point is when you love yourself, you want to
spend time with yourself and that is itself?
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Meta?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Who to kill you?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
There was just a.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Small poster in front of my electrical department saying such
in the.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
What the hell?
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
And you know intelligent people only want valid isshue.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I know, I just wanted to try it out. I
had just qualified it was on that pos you would
not have done maybe because I want to try out
different things. We definitely I was.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
I was president of a couple of societies because I
wanted to try out. You know, I used to teach
and at least five hundred ractpickers because I wanted to
do something different. So when I just saw the poster,
I said, such question. I never I've never met him.
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I don't know whether he has done or not, but
that's what I read there, and that's why I thought, Okay,
let's go and try it out.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
When I went there first time, I was like, what
am I?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I was seventeen eighteen and all these people were like
those days there were not so much of stress, and
at least it was not to me because I was
quite successful.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Many times you don't really realize. And so I saw
all these aunties and uncles next to me, and I
was like, what is this?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, right, it's time to have my.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Pears in my life those days at least know theys
to be famous. But when I did the course, I
found the place beautiful. I found the teacher very nice.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know, people very nice over here draft and.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
The energy very nice. The energy, yeah, so I chuge
a guy.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
But Marillanie mm because I was used to be very
busy with me, and especially when you're successull, you don't realize.
As I said, if you're good in music, you will
go and learn music. If you're good in football, you
will go and take coaching for football. So you're good
in life. You need to learn about life, not because
you're a loser, you know, not because you have no
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thing to do, not because you're depressed. Of course, if
you're depressed it will help you, but if you're successful
it can take you to the next.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Orbit, and then it started working with you.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
When I did my first silence program, I remember again
I did not like it. I was literally forced by
my friends. After that, I could see a tangible difference
in me. That's something has shifted. And I realized that
is how I started the journey. And I was a
tough nut to crack, to be very honest, and it
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took me some time. It took me almost two three
years to start practicing the practices that we have learned.
And when I started doing, you know, helping the art,
holding workshops, meditations, and I could see difference in people also,
a tangible difference, not just theoretical Gusan. It was more
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about experience. It is more about connect more.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You could understand people better.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And it was more about experience. It's not about uh,
you should not get upset. It's not about you should
be committed. No, if I do my practices, I see,
I see that I have commitment.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
You were able to experience and consciously be around.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, it was more about experiences.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It is, but more practical and being an engineer, you know,
you understand practical stuff, don't understand theory. And I even
today I don't understand much theory. So point is how
can I become a better version of myself? And I
saw that this is the way and that is when
I decided to go around and do this full time.
And as I said, you know, it's a beautiful family
that we have across the world.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
When I go, I don't meet people as a tourist.
I meet you. I'm meeting you for the first time.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yes, we don't feel like you know you're meeting for
the first time, right, And and that's the case everywhere,
irrespective of cars, creed.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
It comes belonging is your family has become huge. Now
I think you must be feeling everyone is my family,
you know.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
And anywhere I go.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I go to rush Hyah, I go to Norway, I
go to Japan, I go to Africa, it's like people
are waiting and we are having fun, good time, celebrating together,
cooking together, eating together.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
You're just living. Which one as your best place.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
It's very difficult, it's very, very very difficult. But in
India you can say a party five. If I leave
the Bangalore International Center when God is there, if I
leave that apart, I will always say those two.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Places and outstanding.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Again, very very difficult.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
But if you ask me something which is closest to
my heart, that will be Norway because I love nature
and as they say in Norway, nature is for all.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Yeah. So it's a beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
And what a journey of a boy from b Are
and making it to the world. Yeah, and I only
see most of the people from were only do this.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
We have both extremes.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
You can say what is good of being from what
is that whole? Think about? I've seen this thing because
there then you.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Will find people in extremes. So they are people who
are very shy, will not.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Speak about otherwise their way.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
And then there's another end to it. There is another
extreme to it. They are few people. So in Behar
you'll find I have.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Seen in journalism, we saw a pool of engineerism. Only
why have you done engineer income to journalism? Leave this
for us, like how engineers? I'm going to be just
like them locally limitations And then.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
They said bear.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Any college I go.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm telling you any city, I go ahead.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I'm sure there is someone who hates they don't fred,
you know, fearing exploring.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
There are two things.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
One thing is there's nothing much in Bihar at least
when at least when we were growing up. You know,
So anybody who has money or intelligence, they go out
to br after it. Yeah, that's the sad part, you
can say. But at the same time, you know, anything
which is a bane can become beneficial for you also.
So that's how people spread around and then going out
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and struggling doing hard work.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
One thing is that people from Yeah, they are quite
hard work.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think they have less distractions in life than we
see in the other cities.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
Yes, not the case anymore, but at.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Least your politics is interesting.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah, because that's the capital.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
You know, the first Gunra of India was partly was
the capital. So there's the place of politics. That's that's
where the politics used to happen over the years. Yeah,
so politics, it's very natural.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I see that nag in every child. Also they can.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Understand everybody can everybody can.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
They don't treat it like a department.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Your favorite was I always I always wanted to be
a politician.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Changed was it like the other one? Inspired you?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Not at all?
Speaker 1 (50:49):
See everybody. When l came, he did create job. By
the way, in first three four years. Not many people
understand this. He gave voice to these poor people. But
you know, that's that's what I am telling you again
and again. He started very well with very good intention,
you know when you see all these mauwadi and all
they started with a very good intention.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
But when you don't have a guide, when you.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Don't have a sane voice, you know, to take care
of you, then you lose your path. That has happened
everywhere I see. I see across the world. When people
are suppressed. Of course they're surpressed, so they raise their voice,
but then they start suppressing other people.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
They go together.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
It's a cycle, and that is why you choose to
get a pressed than victim God, then you pull it
out and then.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Now this is why if you see olden days, sorry,
there was a guru.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
The most important part of any raji to sustain.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Hmmm, you're not mshta. So when you have a guru,
just miss jeevan.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
Shalah.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Then and when you listen to the guru, when the
raja listens to the guru, then you don't.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
They weared the path.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
That's what I think our got from Lord Krishna.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Everywhere they were the winners because they had a guru.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yes, I won't have even for it.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
So this is what we need to do. That is
why spirituality is so important.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
It's something I heard.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
I don't know how real it is, but as an
interpretation of Maha Barad. When Karen said that, why did
you kill me? To Krishna, he said, because to Maharrisa, Djobi,
Huana and Safi, you have practiced. Instead of saving others
suffering it, you practiced against it and supported someone like
as you said, oppressed.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
You can't wrong against wrong is a bigger wrong.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
There's always the case. You know, wrong against wrong is
a bigger wrong then what you do. And that is
what has happened everywhere. As I said, as you're talking
about Bihar when lay started, I remember you started Sharawaha
with Alis. I had all these such good initiative to
take care of these poor people. But then when you
don't have a guiding force again, nothing against or nothing
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for any of them.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
When it started amazing.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
You know, I see any iOS officer when they're preparing
for ups, they will say, what I want to change
the world.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
I want to change the country. That's how they start.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
And not everybody, of course, but you see what is
happening later on corruption against iOS officers. And so when
they start, they start with such a noble cause. But
you know, normally I tell people that experiences experiences in
life without wisdom leads to frustration, m but experience experiences
in life with wisdom leads to you know, you being
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wise and humble.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Remove the wisdom part.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
And it's all. It's as bad.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
A extremist is as good as a chaos.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
To humility, you need to have wisdom. You need to
have meditation, You need to have a guru. This is very,
very important to understand, and we need guru in every
aspect of life. You know, you have learned i'm sure
journalism from somebody. Yes, you have learned cooking from somebody.
I'm sure you have learned dancing. And these are all
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tangible stuff. Now mind is so intangible, you know, so subtle.
To understand about mind, you need to have somebody who
understands mind. Joe say, j lit candle. If the candle
is not lit, you know, then it's not going to
help anybody else. So for candle to be you have
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to find somebody whose candle is lit. And then when
you have to learn meditation, you have to learn how
to handle the mind. And when you can handle the mind,
you can under emotion, then life will blossom around you.
Your life and everybody's life around you can blossom. And
when individual blossom, you know, when they blossom, the family blossom.
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And when the family blossom, the society blossoms. The society blossoms,
the country in the whole world. So from micro, macro
is made. If you don't take care of micro, the
macro cannot be great. So that part we don't understand.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
So as you were saying that this should be made
mandated in most important places where the decisions are made
and people are in that position, we should definitely make
them go through.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
It is happening. It is happening.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
As I said, we conduct workshops everywhere right for our years.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
For politicians, Yes, and then the good thing is we
see them on to come around. They want to be
a part of it.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
They realize the resistance have come down.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, they realize it not because of the stress, because
it has suddenly become fast.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
Yeah. I hope it's a good fashion to happen.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, but I hope they starts so cool.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
How much stress are you're wearing today?
Speaker 4 (56:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (56:11):
So nice.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah, it's beautiful, ugly. She just led me through so
many things.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
I'm lucky that I'm doing this as my journey and
career because I get to know people so well in
less time.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
It's a privilege and it's it's been nice that you're here.
And you know, for some times thinking.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
What do I want to know? Who do I want
to talk to now? And you came around, so thank
you so much.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
As you said before, I think when I met you
for the first time, there's no script.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
There's a script. I was reading about you when somebody
told me, I.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
Was like, so that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
It's just sharing and it's beautiful to share the knowledge,
the gift that we have got.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
And your name is very interesting. I didn't call it
the full name. It's a kilch.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
You know, everybody in my home, my home, basically my teachers.
They wanted to change my name because you know, people
will mock you later on, you know, they will make fun.
Speaker 4 (57:06):
And I said, no, I don't want to keep.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Something again, something which was they considered as not a
good thing has turned out to be one of the
best things. Because anybody who you know, who knows my
name once, they will remember it for for their lifetime
because there's no other.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
Permanent except in comics. And yeah, so yeah, that's a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
It's a pleasure to know your story.
Many times you cannot know everything. Also, okay, how good
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they say? It's very nicely, say's good John Kitchello, Which manelo.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
How did you go into this I journey?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Were you like the sharpest the topper or you had
a pressure from the family.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
So life is more than a job money.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
This is for the first time I realized that people
who are successful, they're so used to being successful they
cannot accept the fact that I need help. If I
want to become a better version of my own self,
I have to start spending time with myself.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
There's no rocket science here. Yeah. In my college I
had a nickname because ay, I'm angry young man.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Oh you, I was very short tempered. I'm not saying
I'm perfect now. Life is always about perspective and always uh,
there's a fight of perspective, you can say. So, of
course we have to be strong as a country. Also
we have to be very very strong.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
But war can never be the way according Strum.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
After that, I could see a tankible difference or something
has shifted, and I realized that is how I started
the journey. Sorry, Raja, it was a guru.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Was the most important part of any raja to sustain Raj.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know, Okay, thank you so much. It is a
pleasure to have you with us in Kolkata.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
First.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, thanks a lot, you know, and I love How
was your experience? How early did you wake up today?
And where have you come from? How was it?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
So?
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I was doing a tracking up there in North Malayas
and then then I came because we have a course
here in Kolkata. And today for the first time, I
went to kaligat first time.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
First time.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Yes, it was beautiful, Yeah, David temple, it was like
it was really really amazing. Must be crowded, not really,
not really and especially I like, you know, it was
quite structured that way normally in temples and all you see,
you know, a lot of you know, people moving around,
its chaos.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
It was not the case yet.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I am for sure. I have been on the other side.
I am spiritual. I have been on the side. So
I understand, uh, both sides quite well, you know, the
people who don't believe in it and people who don't
who believe in it. So I think I can walk
a middle path and I can connect to both types
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of what.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Shifted Like you were a complete non believer.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Yeah, there was a time. There was a time I
never used to enter temple. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So I remember I broke my neck when I was
in class tenth while playing at tournament, you know, cricket
tournament and then you know my monk enough like you
know if my you know. So, I remember my mom
took me to this place called a gum coin but night.
It's very famous again temple and I remember when my
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mom went inside, I was standing outside. I will not go.
That's the kind of a person I was. I never
used to enter the temple also.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
And the reason was because you got hurt and you
are no.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
No, the reason was. You know, see, when you're young,
you want to be righteous. You see things more logically,
and you have a linear thought. You know, you don't
have a spherical thought.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You don't make question everything.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know, especially because you know when when
you see all those pundits there, so they are fighting
for you.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Know, money, money you are giving and why not this
Perisa and take bersad.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So many times you take things on face value and
then you don't understand what is beyond all this. So
it's much more on the face value. So with that
face value, I thought, you know what's the point of
doing all this. Yes, yeah, so that is where I
lost the touch, and it took me some time.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And now when you look at those bundits, what do
you think.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
I think that.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Good.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
They're doing a good job there.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
But I hope they are more spiritual, they meditate more.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, they are more stress free. And because.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
They're like torch bearers of religious religion at least, if
not spirituality. So if they are more if they understand
why are we doing what we are doing, then you
can connect to all these young people, you know, because
when when young people, intelligent people, they want to know
why am I doing this? Yes, it's not just blind faith.
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They're not going to listen to those blind faith. Yeah,
Dad has said this, and I have to do this.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You start questioning everything.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Yeah, and which is fine.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And which you think nobody answers.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Because people they don't understand.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
They don't know even if the thing is right, they
don't know how to convey to us.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, but you know, many times you cannot know everything.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Also, Okay, that doesn't mean that that practice is wrong.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, you know, even to the extent you know, you
don't you don't understand the person. Yeah, the love maybe
you know when you know the person maybe you know
many times on a lighter.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You know you know how it works. You know when
when a child is born, Mark Anthony, mm hmm, it
is it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Is the body attachment.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know there is a love is beyond all this.
So as you know, they say is very nicely.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Says good.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Man, how much to because as you're saying, intelligence until
it can go against us.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Also, so see how it works? Is pele.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Jo right, has a small child?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
You have no digestive system. Over the time you understood it?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh when I got really was in trouble.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
You don't. You don't understand electricity. Most of us.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Can We not know everything? And then it will make
it better.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Again.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
As I said, you know, knowing has its own limitation
because head, you know, mind has its own limitation. True them,
you know, life is not linear, it's more quantum.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So what do you have to see for the youngsters
who are like you or who are like you, who
don't believe in religious practice, but they're still looking for
some faith and devotion?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
So what should they do? What? How will they come
to the shift?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So so what I tell them? You know, if you're intelligent,
then you will go by experience.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, So see for example, if I have glab jam
on and glave Jaman is tasty, I don't have to
go into it cab and I know it is.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Tasty, So you experience first.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
So any practice, for example, you're talking about you know,
faith or some pranaiam or some meditation, so you practice
is first before discarding it or accepting it.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So this is what is intelligence.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You know that My wisdom says that if I'm experiencing,
So if I have an experience with you, and I
know that you're a good person, you have helped me,
so I will take it that way, so I will
not have blind faith on you.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
At the same time, because of my.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Preview, giving a chance, you have to be open.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
You know, you have to keep your mind open. That
is a sign of intelligence. Einstein kept his mind open.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
It's a tough thing because intelligence always takes you to
a blockhead. And I want to know that from you,
because it did not stop with your story of you know,
being in class nine, as you said, a young boy
who got you know, hurt in the tournament cricket thing.
But my understanding from you and I want to develop
is how did you go into this I t journey,
well you like the sharpest to the top, or you
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had a pressure from the family, you had a society.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm originally from Behar. Okay, do you know anybody from Behr?
You know you have to do what you have or
so basically, my mom wanted me to become a doctor
because my brother was already towards the engineering side. So
but you know, the moment I used to look at biology,
it is to like, you know, I will vomit it out.
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So I told you my mom, you know, medical the
possible engineering I can think of. So that is and
you know, I have a tendency that if I'm doing something,
I will do it nicely.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
M m.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
There is one thing that is there since childhood around
even if I don't like it for the time being
that I'm you know there, then you will do it
nice you know.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
I will. I will, I will do justice. Excell Yeah yeah, yeah,
that that that was there. So I just tried it
out there.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
But I she's not.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
You know, if you see.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In hindsight everything that has happened and that was good,
it just happened. Look back in our life and.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
See but when it was happening. It was tough.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I hope of course today must have been as Yes,
if I had my sense.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
I had my arm.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Failures, you can say I had my frustrations for sure.
There's no My dad never believed that I'm going to
qualify at.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Did you believe?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I think I believed. But I was not a hard worker.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
That's tough because as we understand cracking, these exams are
like really being.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
On the and those thereciety used to be more on
the mind side and intelligent side than the hard works.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
But of course you need hard work, you not just
it just happened.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Of course, not happened. How is there?
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Yeah? So basically you know, as they say, what woo,
regist that person.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So I never wanted mechanical engineering because I used to
hate mechanics.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Anything that was a was to be done by you.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, so I ended up in mechanical engineering either.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So the question again, so when ATI happened, one, how
was the reaction around you?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
And then how did you take it from there?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And Bihar, if you're there and ity happens, then everybody for.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Everybody or a god, so everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Around you know, neighbors, Tata, valid, everybody is like you
you know, so all that happens. Yes, everybody will come
to house and they will say, you know, amazing, can
you help my son?
Speaker 4 (10:44):
And all that happens. So of course I had my
share of fame. You can say that way, yes, no, no, no, no,
it continued art.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I remember I was in Norway and I was talking
to the ambassador, the Indian ambassador to Norway. And so
till the time, everything was going well, everything was long
and he was talking normally. The moment he heard a
T and then art of living.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Is like, the reaction changed. Now even now.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, yea, even for somebody who is an ambassador for
them at is a biger.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
It's a mark that you're an intelligent mark man.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
You can see that we actually isolated when we interviewed
a you okay, we go back. We didn't have to
go in and read and find our researchers and all that.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So having achieved that, you.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Then thought, now what then also there was a whole
plan of growing into a special career.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
No, it was it was like that.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You know, I remember when I had my first job. Job.
You know, they beat you up, but they may they
beat you up. You know, that's the culture there, right,
I don't know. Yeah, So every birthday I used to
get left right center, you know, the birthday bombs and
you know, similarly you have when you have jobs. So
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I remember they were lifting me up, beating me, celebrating
sort of my job, and I was like, is.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
This what I wanted?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Oh God, that moment. Yeah, it was like, I'm just
going to remember that moment.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I remember that moment you.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Up, you're having these thoughts.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, I was like, you know, there was an exact
thought in Hindi that came to me. Yes, this is
not going to justify or tell me how good I am.
This was the first out that I had, and that
is the time I realized that, of course, money is important.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I don't deny that career is important.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I don't deny that mm, but life is much more
than these two things. Because finally, even if you're earning money,
what do you want to earn money?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
You want to be happy. You want fame? Why because
people will recognize you and that gives you.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Happiness, isn't it? You have more likes on Instagram?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
What happens? Basically you're happy?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's what people are running for, that right,
so finally, this is what we're looking for.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
If you see, so life is more than a job money.
This is for the first time I realized.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Then because you got it all, you got the fame.
So once you got there, then the thought came.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Then you realize it because still the time you don't
have it, you're running.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Behind it, and a lot of people are spending the
entire life and just getting there.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
And which is all right.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
See, unless you don't have something, how can you understand
whether it is important or not?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Which is perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
I remember when I was preparing for at when I
happened again, nothing had changed. I was the same person,
my intelligence, except the valid, validfication that you know, we
get from.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
People allow us opinion about you.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Say, it's like, oh.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
So unless you got that, I taker degree, the same mind,
was not given the certificate which was later taken as
the great mind.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So this is exactly what I realized that day, and
I remember it was very intense. That's why I can
still feel it that you know, is this what I
was running behind?
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Did that thought stay or just yes?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
State?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So of course I went for another because normally and
I you take two three jobs, so of course It
stayed with me. But I realized one thing that I'm
not here just for a job. And people ask me
today you know I tak kq brea you know upneake
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seat Lilia.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Many times people ask me these ques.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Imagine the same credit and appreciation has turned around because
there's more expected out of it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, so that's what I ask people. I say, after
I T, when you go into politics.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
After I am making a startup.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Startup, After I you do MBA, After I T, you
do c FA, which is fine. So I tell them
A mechanical engineers, So I would have made beautiful machines
today buying by being an art of living. I'm making
beautiful human beings. Yeah machine, So making beautiful human beings
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is more important than making beautiful machines.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
And you know, I can understand what those people in
I are going through. Not everybody will, because I have
been in that system.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
It is not all happiness there, It is.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You go to its, you see how much of stress,
You see how much of pressure, peer pressure, career pressure, drugs,
You see how much is they're smoking, all the substance abuse?
Nothing against it?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Is it a fear of not getting the desired job.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Ah, no, no, no it's not there. See what happens.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Let's see, I'm in plus twelfth, right, and now I'm
preparing for AT so I'm in most of the cases,
I'm one of the toppers in my school.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
True, right now the moment I go to AT all
our toppers.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So this competition amongst the best.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
And then I'm no more topper. The probability is on
the higher side, right.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And then you're not used to not being a top,
then you're thrown in the insecure cell.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It's such a beautiful process.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So if you can cope up with that change, you
survive the system.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Hmmm.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
If you don't cope up with the change, you don't survive.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Most don't.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But then that's where you know, a many times when
the stress comes, peer pressure comes. Yeah, then people go
for substance abuse, people have depression.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Of course, pressure that you.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Have, you know, and you have to come out big
after it because then they expect you and I and
what have you done?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So the professors are there, you have to have finish
your task the timings, and of course you need to
have fun also, right because all these four five years
you have spent you know, working hard, so finally you
want to come out and enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So first year goes like that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, first year goes like that, Yeah, and then you
realize by the time your second year, most of them
they realize, oh, I have not studied anything in first year.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
And that is what the shift happens. At least those days.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
I'm sure things might have changed now, but I see
peer pressure more now, the competition more now because everybody
wants to go outside India. They want to do much more.
You know, with Instagram and all this, you have more information.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
But you don't have a direction how to bring it together.
Speaker 4 (17:47):
Yeah, and with that stress, you don't know how to
under that stress.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You know this?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I want to know because this is a major section
where intelligence or intellectual people are more isolated than the
ones who are Mediocracy has definitely been given an attention
because they've called out for it. But do you think
the intelligent lot is suffering more in themselves and outside?
And how do they look into it? Because I get
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so many we interview so many people. They are big
corporate owners, the startup owners, and they come up with
this whole struggle in themselves even now and they're all
it and zims. So they say, we don't find a
room in a normal room because we appear better and
then in our circle also be very isolated. So what
to do? And they don't know meditation. When we talk
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to them, they're like, I'm THO successfully.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Exactly, we don't have pain, we have money.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, we don't accept the facts that we are
also human beings and we go through all the emotions.
So especially people who are confident, as I said, people
who are successful, they're so used to being successful they
cannot accept the fact that I need help.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
It is difficult for them to seek help. It's like,
why will I beg? I have everything?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Exactly because they have always done everything on their own
because they are successful.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
They are you know, people idolize them, people look up to.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Them, so they can't let go of that position. Many
times they carry that position in their head always.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Are they successful?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Is this a thought?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Because you're saying they have done it themselves the help
of many people. They're intelligent, So what to do? Why
should they find their way because they then get a blocked.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
See the way you look at it is, of course
they are successful. You know, one perspective efficency. But you know, God,
they says many times, very nicely, says, the sign of
success is not heart attack. The sign of success is
not high BP. Sign of success is a smile that
is there with you, an undying smile that part people
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don't realize. So this is, you know, half success. It's
not complete success. So you have done something in the
material world. But finally, the purpose why do you want
to be success? Because it gives you happiness because you
like it, but you're not able to enjoy it because
you're not taking care of your own self. So you're
taking care of everything around you, what you're achieving, but
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you're not taking care.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Of your own self.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
It wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
It finally it has to go wrong.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
It's like you are making a building, but the base
is not strong because you can't see the base, so
you don't take care of the base. So you see
money insecure degree of course, of course, of course, what
is ego? Basically it goes nothing but self image? You know,
how do you look at yourself from others perspective? You
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know good that says this, very nice he says, ego
is nothing but a sense of separation.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
You know that I am something.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I am big now I have money, or I am small.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Long that is also ego. I am better than you
and I'm not as good as you.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Both are ego. A sense of separation is ego.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, and especially if you see people who think that
I'm better than others, at times they will feel I'm
not as good as somebody.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yes, immediately they find so there is a cycle, yes,
and they can't take it.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Then they can't take that part.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So because they want to be better than others.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
How to understand your intelligence if you're saying you're an I,
and how do you look at yourself as a human being?
And if you make it big? Suppose when I say
big in the material world, you're really owner of a
big company. Today, you have your team working, you're getting awards,
but still you don't know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
What is that state of mind? Is it a happy mind?
Is it a discontent?
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And you're not looking at yourself as a human being.
You are looking at yourself as a CEO. So you
you have different roles like I'm a husband, sibling, son, uncle.
Are you getting a point? Yes, So I have different roles.
So you have to understand where to play which role.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I'm a trainer.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Times i am trainer, But if I'm carrying the same
image in my own head everywhere with my mom or
with my friends, it's not going to work. So if
you're sex, you know what happened. Let let me tell
you a story. Okay, you're from media, so you'll know.
So once there was this teacher. He was conducting a
workshop for media people. You know, I'm talking about top
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notch media people, the CEOs and all.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
The editors and editors and all of them.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
So this teacher was very concerned, you know, and very
he was like, you know, what to talk because you're
a little scared to talk to media, Yeah, because how
they will take care and ask you fact and prove Yeah,
and you know how how they will you know, sort
of twist those words and all. So he was very concerned.
You know, he's like what to say and all. He
was little nervous right at that time. Good they walked
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in and he was very relieved. Thank god, he will
handle it now. So they've sat and the first question
that came to they was this only a media, how
do you look at us media people? You know, what
they said exactly what I just said. As human beings.
So we look at people from you know, he's from media. Yeah,
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he's a he's he's the richest man in the world,
he's you of this company, or he's somebody.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
There so many labels we have given.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
But finally, behind everything, he's a person. And what our
person goes through, he will go through. And if he
does not take care of himself, he will go through
everything that you cannot imagine.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
How can the meditation and you've gone through out of living,
and now you've started not just gone through, you've practiced
it and you're helping others share the knowledge around in
your way, How do you think this can really be helpful?
Because practically people want.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
To know employee company, our chairs.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
A valuation pressure paper do nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Works, especially if you have shareholders.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Shareholders they want to practically past twenty four?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Do you want me to sit and do all the day?
What really works?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So let's say, what's your hobby? Can I ask you?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I love dancing?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You love dancing? Anything else?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Talking and cycling, playing with kids?
Speaker 4 (24:23):
So if you want to be a good dancer, what
do you have to do?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I think I have to do that. I have to
do with music without music just just do to spend
time with spend time with it, with the dance and
mirror and all.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
You know, if you want to be a better cook,
what do you do me in the kitchen? Cook?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Spend some time either watch cooking or do it.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Yeah, if you want to be a good steamer, what.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Do you do in or do whatever is required?
Speaker 4 (24:48):
So, if you want to do the best version of
your own self, what do you have to do? Your science?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You have to be with yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
If I don't take care of myself, how can I
become the best version of my own self.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It's very tough. Be with myself means what sit.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
To No, No, we will come to that. Let's let's
start with that. Let's take step by step. So as
we talked about. You know, if you want to be
good in talking as an anchor, let's.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Say you have to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You cannot become a good anchor on day one of
your jobs.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
You have to do you have to learn grow this.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
This is not so.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
If I want to become a better version of my
own self, I have to start spending time with myself.
There's no rocket science here. If you're little intelligent also,
you will understand this. Much right, and then you can
have your own way. It is writing a journal. Maybe
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I'm okay with that. See, the first thing that you
need is a.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Good quality.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
M then then the recipe will work.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Then whatever is however that so, if I have to
build a company, if I have to take care of
my employee, I have to first take care of myself.
If a doctor says I can be, I can be
the best doctor. Only when sary Maria, then he's not
a good doctor. He has to first take care of himself.
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Then only he can take care of people around him.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
You've met anyone like that so many.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I'm sure you are also one of them. I am
also one of them. And of course our inspiration, you know,
that is why we need to meditate. That is why inspire.
Apart from whatever you're doing, maybe you are writing a journal,
you're playing some sports, you're having your own me time,
you're having your own family time.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Apart from whatever you.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Are doing, you need to sit with yourself because when
you sit with yourself, you understand yourself. You know, if
when you're talking about a company of six hundred people
and billion of dollars, maybe top line, bottom line, whatever,
you know the most important thing is you know, if
you want to be excellent, IQ doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
EQ EQ is what works, as they say, EQ is
the next I.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Q idn't known.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
So if you're EQ, because when.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're going on the top, if you're going let's say
you're playing cricket at you know, at that level, almost
everybody is equally talented.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
So you mean when when our cricketers play, they all
skilled and talented.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Of course you said it. They have practiced over the times.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Almost what differentiates them is their EQ.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
How do they handle the pressure?
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Were never trained about it?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
But no, no, you see you talk about it these days.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yes, we talk.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
About when when Indian cricket team they went for you know,
the World Cup, they take a mental.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Coaches they have to Earlier it was only physical coach.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, I remember Patty Upton used to be there in
twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
When you're in the World Cup, Gary.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Kristen, even those those people need at.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
That level because you know, when there's so much a pressure,
last ball five runs, so your.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Thoughts can overpower and take you off the ground totally.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
So you have to find your way. But of course
meditation helps a lot. That is my experience and I'm
not just talking about you know some theory. I have
seen at least maybe forty fifty thousand people I would
have reached out to.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It has made a difference in your approach to life.
Of course, you seem to be always an easy person.
So what has it done to you?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah? In my college, I had a nickname because a
why I'm angry young man?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Oh you are?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I was very short tempered. I'm not saying I'm perfect now.
I used to be a very short temper person. You
ask my mom. And that is how my mom agreed
that I should continue what I'm doing because when I
was teaching my first course, she came as a participant
to check what is.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
It doing.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And when when when she saw me, how I have improved?
Speaker 4 (29:05):
She said that was her exact line. So, and I
have traveled across I have.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Taught maybe in a Buddhist country, I have taught in
Muslim country. I have taught in Buddhist temples. I have
taught in churches. I have taught to white, too, brown,
to black across the world. And I have seen one
thing that people are people and meditation Susan Korea, whatever, they.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Have similar impact the emotions.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Because finally, people are people. We find I remember I
went to Russia last last year. I had a very
different concept of Russians most of us. Yeah, I'm that tough.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Because of their president. They're cold, intimidation of.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm telling you, I had a shock of my life
how loving they are, how warm they are.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Is it that you invoked that from them?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
No, I mean that's how genuinely they are.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I'm telling you, I've seen them, you know, I met
them maybe once twice, and the warm that they have
maybe beyond the first thin layer that they keep. Maybe, yes,
So that is what I'm talking about. But beyond a
thin layer, people are people. So if they take care
of their mind, if they take care of their health,
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you know the stress that we go through.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
And we are an emotional country. We have a lot
of emotions on the surface. So that will not help
us a we Is that a good thing that will
help us grow better?
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Or is it there's nothing good or nothing bad.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
So if you see any civilization, if you see we're
talking about Pilgrim right now, we're talking about Indus Valley
and all. So if you see any civilization you talk
about any civilized Indus value or whatever, nail, whatever, any civilization, right,
so jaape, you know.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
And and emotions and water they are very similar.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
That is why they say water will absorb your emotion.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Right totally, So.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Beach Mitchell, theiah within the banks, then life grows there.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
But same river, it's.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Flood and it's destructive.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
That's destruction.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
So whenever emotions, it will help you grow.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
But when it is.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Channelized, otherwise it's a destruction.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
It is not channelized, it destroys you, It destroys everybody
around you.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
And we have seen this.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Our own emotion, if you see, has destroyed so many
beautiful things many times. If it was not controlled, people
around us were affected. But if same emotion can be channelized,
and that is the purpose, that is why we do meditation,
that we will do pranayama. That is why we are
because if you don't care of your emotions, it will
destroy you and people around you.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
When we're hearing these incidents of terror, do you think
these are the people with emotional imbalance or we we
have this idea of finettaics extremist They've been brainwashed. It
is a way they are. And then we get to
the religion. Religion as how.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Do you say the way I look at it, and
I have an interest in history and politics and all this.
If maybe you were born there in Syria or in Afghanistan,
maybe you were one of them. That's the right thing
because the culture they had, the teaching that they had
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because of select few people, as you said, brainwashed. And
see when a child is born, he's not born with
that tendency that I want to kill people. All right,
But the thing is whatever is you believe, that is
all right. But killing people you can justify whatever you
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believe might be, which is all right. I can have
a different belief, you can have a different belief, and
you can fight over it, you know, But if you
don't have the maturity at least to respect the other
person's belief, then I think you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Then the values have only human values completely.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
See, even if you're right, you know, but the way you.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Express it makes a difference.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
You know, you kill people for that, It's not going
to work.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Even if someone has pushed me and I want to react,
If I just go and stab or shoot, that doesn't
justify the way.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So even if you're right, again, I don't want to
get into that right or wrong.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
But what I'm saying is even if you are correct.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You want to say that my way is the right way,
you cannot. You have to learn to respect the other person.
That's the minimum. This is what we have to understand
at least. And again not coming to the second part.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What I want to.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Say here again is I cannot change things overnight. I see,
I can make rules. Let's say I'm the president or whatever.
I can make some rules. I can use force, but
they will never last.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
See.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Any lasting effect that can happen in the world can
never happen with haste quickly. It cannot be forced. Even
in somebody's life. You cannot force somebody. You cannot do this.
You know what happens. You become a rebel. Then the
other person becomes a rebel.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Since you're so keen, you have gain interest in history,
the kind of history India hassy with many eras of
different reigns, Moguls, British. Then we have this Islamic takeover
all over happening. That's how it has been put out.
And it is shocking that even in this twenty twenty
five we are literally seeing something like a Jalia Alabah
kind of glimpse. You know, someone taking out and shooting.
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My idea is where history seems to be same. It's
like it's repeating itself. How are you looking at it?
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Earlier we used to say not technology, neither to education,
neither to behave. Now you have technology, you are educated,
you have scope to do that. Still we want to
bring the similar attitude of dictatorship violence.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
So what has changed in history?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
See, education is what information in most of the cases.
In most of the cases, and information can be both ways.
It can work both ways.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, it can.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
It can guide you, it can misguide you according to
the other person's perspective. So if I like it, I
can say it is guiding. If I don't like what
you are saying, I will say.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
You're a misguided that's See. Basically it's a it's a
war or perspective.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
That's a nice one. It's a war a perspective.
Speaker 4 (35:54):
Everything in the world.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
See, I want to sell this toothpaste, so I will
say this is nice. If you want to sell sell
something else, you will say this is nice. If if
I have a coffee maker, I will say coffee is nice.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
We still have a war, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And if somebody makes whiskey. You will say, whiskey is nice?
Can you can you see what are we talking about here?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So life is always about perspective and always uh, there's
a fight of perspective.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You can say, now who wins?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Has continued to be like that?
Speaker 1 (36:30):
People have people again and can say five thousand years
emotions they told moderniation. Oh yeah, that's all. Nothing has changed,
if you see, because again people are people. They will
have craving, they will have anger, they will have jealousy,
they will have all these emotions they will have insecurity,
they want to promote what they think is right.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
How how does the work world run?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Like?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
How do we place? Should we go for war every
few decades? Those century?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
See? What is never a solution? You know, I think
you know good?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
They said said once very important, something very important that
I really liked it. He said, when a strong person
talks about peace, you know it has some value. M hm.
So of course we have to be strong as a
country also, we have to be very very strong.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
But war can never be the way according.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
To strong you mean economically defends every.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Way, possibly because if you see, economically, if you're not strong,
it's not going to work. See how how British came
to us. They did not come to this country with
their forces. No, they came as a trading company.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Ah, the British company.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah right, they came as a businessman.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
So it's not that they're different, economics, social stuff different.
They're all one and the same. If you see, they
are very very connected. So you have to be strong
in every way possible. Yeah, you have to take action. Yes,
But again.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I'm saying something that you know.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
And I think I really really appreciate in you that
way that we have never we were never the one
to attack any country, yes, to start something like that,
to start a war, we are never the one. But
at the same time, we have to be so strong
that somebody, if they want to attack us, they should
(38:30):
be a.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
Free to do that.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Is this in this case? Also is the reaction meaning
is not revenge? Is it just revenge or is it
like giving some kind of a subtle mess away?
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Again, that's my personal you know understanding that it cannot
be a full scale war, for sure, it has to
be a small scale. You hit, you destroy those who
are doing whatever wrong they're doing. Yeah, and that's it.
You cannot, I think, wage a full scale war and
any country who indulges in a full scale war, the
(39:08):
country's future is.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
Not going to be good.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
The finance, the economics that you're talking about. People there,
the citizens there, they're going to suffer. You see what
happens to world What happened in World War two? What
happened to Britain? We are both World War one? World
War two? What happened to them?
Speaker 4 (39:27):
See where from being top of the world, See what
happened to them?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
You destroy your own economy and from people.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
You see the Battle of style Grand what happened Leningrad
whatever you want to call it. For one year they
were under siege. They're eating their own shoes.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Smarter the ones who do not get into it.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
That's what America did.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
If you see something true, that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes, I mean that's very important to understand to have
a Again, this is my personal understanding and what I
have understood from history, is that a full skilled war,
if I'm going to get into you are going to
foresure what.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
Are the few skills now that you can tell us?
That is very important. You come from that space of
having experience or tasted you know, knowledge academically, also excelling
around it. What are the few things that you've identified
in your life? Is very important as a skill in
a human to take themselves forward.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
The most important thing is you have to be a
little selfish. Okay, why I'm telling shelfish this little selfishness
is the biggest selflessness in the world.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
And what is that? Take care of.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Your mind only to that extent.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
To start with, because if you don't take care of
your mind, you will create chaos in everybody else's mind
around you. Okay, So many times we say no, I
want to take care of others. I don't want to
take care of my mind. I'm strong enough. I don't
need it. You know, we don't realize that everybody needs it.
(41:00):
Like the way you want to eat your food, Come,
what may you have to menIt it? Do you have
to take care of your mind the way you take
care of your body. You take bath every day, you
take care of a dental hygiene, physical hygiene.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
You have to take care of your mental hygiene, as
simple as that. Right. Even if you're very strong, you
don't eat food, of course.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
You are going to fall sick after some time, right,
So take this, you start with this, take care of
your mind because Once your mind is right, then any
decision that you take is an intelligent decision, whether it
is about politics, whether it is about some micro level
individual level, or some macro level. A sane person, a
(41:38):
more calm person, a more relaxed person. At the same time,
active person can take more logical, more intelligent decisions in life.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You don't need to all the time think of unique ideas, manipulation,
all these things.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
No need to see. When you are very confident, you
don't manipulate.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Okay, no, you see, Yes.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
When you're very confident, you don't manipulate for your own benefit.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
See as a small child.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know, there's a child, the parents, they won't manipulate
the child for their benefit.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
They might manipulate, for.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yes, something for a wre not.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Eating, so they will they will show it, maybe a
small video the cloth.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
You know, but they will manipulate if they want to
go to a movie that.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Or at least not something that is going to harm
the person harm the baby. So a strong person normally
won't manipulate. When you're weak, you can't handle things. That
is when you manipulate it.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
So again and again I'm telling you you take care
of your mind. You see how confident you can become.
And once you are confident, you don't need to manipulate,
you don't need to run behind things. Happiness will come
behind you. People will come behind you. Success will come
behind you. But again and again, I'm telling you the
first thing that matters is your mind.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Now, before we almost go to the close of this discussion,
because we will continue, I think there's so much.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
It's so beautiful to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
It's just like I'm walking through some cave and if
we're talking through the whole journey. But when out of
living you have chosen or it chose you, whichever we
I look at it.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
How was that journey? It happened?
Speaker 3 (43:15):
You seem to be a confident, clear person in your
own way from the beginning. I don't see any a
moment of depression or heart break.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
If so, I don't know. You're married, not.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
My heart breaks, as I said, yes, but nothing extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
I think that also happened for good. Now you're married
to a feuerful ladies and that worked in favor. How
did you come through this journey?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
What let you in? And what did you Because.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I said, you know again and again, see if you
love music, you want to spend time with music?
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Is it you love cricket? You want to spend time
cirkitt if you love yourself?
Speaker 3 (43:50):
So who told you go to Art of living for that?
Or you spotted Guruji on a teva?
Speaker 4 (43:55):
As I said, I was a communist.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
See point is when you love yourself, you want to
spend time with yourself and that is itself?
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Meta?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Who to kill you?
Speaker 4 (44:01):
There was just a.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Small poster in front of my electrical department saying such
in the.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
What the hell?
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
And you know intelligent people only want valid isshue.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
I know, I just wanted to try it out. I
had just qualified it was on that pos you would
not have done maybe because I want to try out
different things. We definitely I was.
Speaker 1 (44:21):
I was president of a couple of societies because I
wanted to try out. You know, I used to teach
and at least five hundred ractpickers because I wanted to
do something different. So when I just saw the poster,
I said, such question. I never I've never met him.
(44:42):
I don't know whether he has done or not, but
that's what I read there, and that's why I thought, Okay,
let's go and try it out.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
When I went there first time, I was like, what
am I?
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I was seventeen eighteen and all these people were like
those days there were not so much of stress, and
at least it was not to me because I was
quite successful.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Many times you don't really realize. And so I saw
all these aunties and uncles next to me, and I
was like, what is this?
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, right, it's time to have my.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Pears in my life those days at least know theys
to be famous. But when I did the course, I
found the place beautiful. I found the teacher very nice.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
You know, people very nice over here draft and.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
The energy very nice. The energy, yeah, so I chuge
a guy.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
But Marillanie mm because I was used to be very
busy with me, and especially when you're successull, you don't realize.
As I said, if you're good in music, you will
go and learn music. If you're good in football, you
will go and take coaching for football. So you're good
in life. You need to learn about life, not because
you're a loser, you know, not because you have no
(46:00):
thing to do, not because you're depressed. Of course, if
you're depressed it will help you, but if you're successful
it can take you to the next.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Orbit, and then it started working with you.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
When I did my first silence program, I remember again
I did not like it. I was literally forced by
my friends. After that, I could see a tangible difference
in me. That's something has shifted. And I realized that
is how I started the journey. And I was a
tough nut to crack, to be very honest, and it
(46:35):
took me some time. It took me almost two three
years to start practicing the practices that we have learned.
And when I started doing, you know, helping the art,
holding workshops, meditations, and I could see difference in people also,
a tangible difference, not just theoretical Gusan. It was more
(46:55):
about experience. It is more about connect more.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
You could understand people better.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And it was more about experience. It's not about uh,
you should not get upset. It's not about you should
be committed. No, if I do my practices, I see,
I see that I have commitment.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
You were able to experience and consciously be around.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, it was more about experiences.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
It is, but more practical and being an engineer, you know,
you understand practical stuff, don't understand theory. And I even
today I don't understand much theory. So point is how
can I become a better version of myself? And I
saw that this is the way and that is when
I decided to go around and do this full time.
And as I said, you know, it's a beautiful family
that we have across the world.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
When I go, I don't meet people as a tourist.
I meet you. I'm meeting you for the first time.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yes, we don't feel like you know you're meeting for
the first time, right, And and that's the case everywhere,
irrespective of cars, creed.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
It comes belonging is your family has become huge. Now
I think you must be feeling everyone is my family,
you know.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
And anywhere I go.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I go to rush Hyah, I go to Norway, I
go to Japan, I go to Africa, it's like people
are waiting and we are having fun, good time, celebrating together,
cooking together, eating together.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
You're just living. Which one as your best place.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
It's very difficult, it's very, very very difficult. But in
India you can say a party five. If I leave
the Bangalore International Center when God is there, if I
leave that apart, I will always say those two.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Places and outstanding.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
Again, very very difficult.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
But if you ask me something which is closest to
my heart, that will be Norway because I love nature
and as they say in Norway, nature is for all.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
Yeah. So it's a beautiful place.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
And what a journey of a boy from b Are
and making it to the world. Yeah, and I only
see most of the people from were only do this.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
We have both extremes.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
You can say what is good of being from what
is that whole? Think about? I've seen this thing because
there then you.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
Will find people in extremes. So they are people who
are very shy, will not.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Speak about otherwise their way.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
And then there's another end to it. There is another
extreme to it. They are few people. So in Behar
you'll find I have.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
Seen in journalism, we saw a pool of engineerism. Only
why have you done engineer income to journalism? Leave this
for us, like how engineers? I'm going to be just
like them locally limitations And then.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
They said bear.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Any college I go.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm telling you any city, I go ahead.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I'm sure there is someone who hates they don't fred,
you know, fearing exploring.
Speaker 4 (49:38):
There are two things.
Speaker 1 (49:39):
One thing is there's nothing much in Bihar at least
when at least when we were growing up. You know,
So anybody who has money or intelligence, they go out
to br after it. Yeah, that's the sad part, you
can say. But at the same time, you know, anything
which is a bane can become beneficial for you also.
So that's how people spread around and then going out
(50:02):
and struggling doing hard work.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
One thing is that people from Yeah, they are quite
hard work.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I think they have less distractions in life than we
see in the other cities.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
Yes, not the case anymore, but at.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Least your politics is interesting.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
Yeah, because that's the capital.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
You know, the first Gunra of India was partly was
the capital. So there's the place of politics. That's that's
where the politics used to happen over the years. Yeah,
so politics, it's very natural.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I see that nag in every child. Also they can.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
Understand everybody can everybody can.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
They don't treat it like a department.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
Your favorite was I always I always wanted to be
a politician.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Changed was it like the other one? Inspired you?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Not at all?
Speaker 1 (50:49):
See everybody. When l came, he did create job. By
the way, in first three four years. Not many people
understand this. He gave voice to these poor people. But
you know, that's that's what I am telling you again
and again. He started very well with very good intention,
you know when you see all these mauwadi and all
they started with a very good intention.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
But when you don't have a guide, when you.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Don't have a sane voice, you know, to take care
of you, then you lose your path. That has happened
everywhere I see. I see across the world. When people
are suppressed. Of course they're surpressed, so they raise their voice,
but then they start suppressing other people.
Speaker 4 (51:31):
They go together.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
It's a cycle, and that is why you choose to
get a pressed than victim God, then you pull it
out and then.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Now this is why if you see olden days, sorry,
there was a guru.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
The most important part of any raji to sustain.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Hmmm, you're not mshta. So when you have a guru,
just miss jeevan.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
Shalah.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Then and when you listen to the guru, when the
raja listens to the guru, then you don't.
Speaker 4 (52:17):
They weared the path.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
That's what I think our got from Lord Krishna.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Everywhere they were the winners because they had a guru.
Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yes, I won't have even for it.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
So this is what we need to do. That is
why spirituality is so important.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
It's something I heard.
Speaker 3 (52:36):
I don't know how real it is, but as an
interpretation of Maha Barad. When Karen said that, why did
you kill me? To Krishna, he said, because to Maharrisa, Djobi,
Huana and Safi, you have practiced. Instead of saving others
suffering it, you practiced against it and supported someone like
as you said, oppressed.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
You can't wrong against wrong is a bigger wrong.
Speaker 1 (53:00):
There's always the case. You know, wrong against wrong is
a bigger wrong then what you do. And that is
what has happened everywhere. As I said, as you're talking
about Bihar when lay started, I remember you started Sharawaha
with Alis. I had all these such good initiative to
take care of these poor people. But then when you
don't have a guiding force again, nothing against or nothing
(53:22):
for any of them.
Speaker 4 (53:26):
When it started amazing.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
You know, I see any iOS officer when they're preparing
for ups, they will say, what I want to change
the world.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
I want to change the country. That's how they start.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
And not everybody, of course, but you see what is
happening later on corruption against iOS officers. And so when
they start, they start with such a noble cause. But
you know, normally I tell people that experiences experiences in
life without wisdom leads to frustration, m but experience experiences
in life with wisdom leads to you know, you being
(53:58):
wise and humble.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Remove the wisdom part.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
And it's all. It's as bad.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
A extremist is as good as a chaos.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
To humility, you need to have wisdom. You need to
have meditation, You need to have a guru. This is very,
very important to understand, and we need guru in every
aspect of life. You know, you have learned i'm sure
journalism from somebody. Yes, you have learned cooking from somebody.
I'm sure you have learned dancing. And these are all
(54:31):
tangible stuff. Now mind is so intangible, you know, so subtle.
To understand about mind, you need to have somebody who
understands mind. Joe say, j lit candle. If the candle
is not lit, you know, then it's not going to
help anybody else. So for candle to be you have
(54:52):
to find somebody whose candle is lit. And then when
you have to learn meditation, you have to learn how
to handle the mind. And when you can handle the mind,
you can under emotion, then life will blossom around you.
Your life and everybody's life around you can blossom. And
when individual blossom, you know, when they blossom, the family blossom.
(55:14):
And when the family blossom, the society blossoms. The society blossoms,
the country in the whole world. So from micro, macro
is made. If you don't take care of micro, the
macro cannot be great. So that part we don't understand.
Speaker 3 (55:31):
So as you were saying that this should be made
mandated in most important places where the decisions are made
and people are in that position, we should definitely make
them go through.
Speaker 4 (55:41):
It is happening. It is happening.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
As I said, we conduct workshops everywhere right for our years.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
For politicians, Yes, and then the good thing is we
see them on to come around. They want to be
a part of it.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
They realize the resistance have come down.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, they realize it not because of the stress, because
it has suddenly become fast.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
Yeah. I hope it's a good fashion to happen.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, but I hope they starts so cool.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
How much stress are you're wearing today?
Speaker 4 (56:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (56:11):
So nice.
Speaker 3 (56:11):
Yeah, it's beautiful, ugly. She just led me through so
many things.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
I'm lucky that I'm doing this as my journey and
career because I get to know people so well in
less time.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
It's a privilege and it's it's been nice that you're here.
And you know, for some times thinking.
Speaker 3 (56:29):
What do I want to know? Who do I want
to talk to now? And you came around, so thank
you so much.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
As you said before, I think when I met you
for the first time, there's no script.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
There's a script. I was reading about you when somebody
told me, I.
Speaker 4 (56:44):
Was like, so that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
It's just sharing and it's beautiful to share the knowledge,
the gift that we have got.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
And your name is very interesting. I didn't call it
the full name. It's a kilch.
Speaker 4 (56:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
You know, everybody in my home, my home, basically my teachers.
They wanted to change my name because you know, people
will mock you later on, you know, they will make fun.
Speaker 4 (57:06):
And I said, no, I don't want to keep.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Something again, something which was they considered as not a
good thing has turned out to be one of the
best things. Because anybody who you know, who knows my
name once, they will remember it for for their lifetime
because there's no other.
Speaker 4 (57:22):
Permanent except in comics. And yeah, so yeah, that's a
good thing.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
It's a pleasure to know your story.
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