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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to Inside the Criminal Mind podcast, where we analyze
some of the most notorious criminal cases with psychology and
criminology combined.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Here's your host, Welcome back everyone. Well this is part two.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Today we're gonna be looking at the psychology of vigilanteism.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
And there's Andy.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Hey, Andy, Hey, Carlos, welcome back so long ago.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That's right, the magic of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We're gonna talk a little bit about vigilanteism, but we're
gonna look at it through the psychological lens. I'm trying
to see if society is driving it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Is it something's already been innate with us all these
years or not?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So Andy, what do you think? Let's start off with
your pepsma. I don't I know? You have a great model.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
By the way, folks, you can find out more about
Andy at behavioral Science.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You at dot com. You can see it right back there,
behavioral Science.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yet, do not put in the LLC when you're typing
in for the web address.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
No science dot com.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah, and you go to the website where in the
process of updating the website to show some new topics
that we uh we train on, but uh, an awful
lot on the website if you're interested in training, consulting,
due diligence investigations. We do a lot of security work,
so take a look at the website at behavioral science
dot com. Well, Carlos, Yeah, it's a great topic. Uh,
(01:36):
the psychology of vigilantes. I don't think there's.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
A profile, you know, for a vigilante.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I think a vigilante is motivated by a number of
different factors, but primarily when we use the MEPs model,
which you know I apply to all human motivation for behavior.
And when we look at the MEPs model, which you
know stands for personal motives, economic motives, power based or
political and parentheses motives or social motives some black nym pets.
(02:07):
When you look at that model and you and you
measure the motive, the emotional component of the drive to
behave as a vigilante, it's most likely personal.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It could be social.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
You could be doing it for a group that you are,
that you belong to, but in most cases it's gonna
be personal. Could it could be economic if somebody's paying
you as a hitman to take revenge, But in typical
cases that we can describe the Benard Getz case, for example,
it is personal revenge in the case we talked about
(02:41):
in a previous episode where a victim of sex abuse
by a Jesuit priest sought the priest out while he's
in a nursing home and beat him up. Was later
arrested for assault. Personal So clearly, in most of these cases,
not all, but in most of these vigilante cases, the
driving force behind the motivation is personal. So let's talk
(03:06):
about within that category of personal motive, how is that driven.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And we talked about this previously as well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
From the emotional component, when someone's angering with another person,
they want to hurt them. When I'm angry with my wife,
I raise my voice and perhaps yell to get my
point across, right, You might even insult someone when you're
angry with someone. You might even strike that person when
you're angry with them, because you want them to hurt,
either emotionally or physically. The distinction between anger and hate
(03:38):
is when you hate someone, when you truly have the
emotional expression of hate, you no longer want them to exist.
So if you hate Osama ben Laden, you want him dead.
If you hate someone who molested you, you want them gone.
And so the individuals who are vigilantes literally hate the
(04:00):
target of their violent behavior. An example of that is
Steve Sanderson, the inmate who killed his cellmate. He said
that he hates he hates pedophiles, he hates molesters.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So when this guy and he told the guy stopped talking.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I was telling him what he did, and he repeatedly
told him, don't tell me anymore. And when he kept
telling him, and he crossed over from being angered a
contemptuous disgusted to hate. And when you hate someone in
that case, he hated that molester. He ended up choking
him out, killed me.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I know, we've talked about it before. The show was
the interesting aspect as well was the effect of social media,
the effect of society and culture. I'll highlight some components
here you mentioned in the last show Bernard Getz, which
was I think in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I looked up ear later.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
On to do the research and I found a death wish,
as you had mentioned, was in the ninth teen seventies
Charles Bronson, right, Charles Bronson was originally with the remake,
but that that again you can see now at the beginning, but.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
We also saw it as I look back at other
individuals paladin.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
If you go way back when and have gun, we'll
travel an old Wild West show rifleman, and it's usually
a sign a lot of times in these movies back then,
the inability of law enforcement to take care of a situation.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Maybe the's a creation of the community.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That's a great state.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I think that's an awesome point you just made because
of vigilanteism, which is not new, has been around for centuries,
but is celebrated in Hollywood, particularly old Western movies where
they you know, hang them high.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Because they been the wild West.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
There was a lack of justice, there was there wasn't
a sophisticated police system in place. So the enforcement of
societal rules, social contract, if you will, fell to the people.
And when you across those more is the public uh
created a posse. They found the bad guy. They very
often it was a kangaroo court or if there was
(06:11):
a court at all, and certainly not with due process
and the rules of law that we see today. The
uh the accused often became a victim and was strung
up from the highest oak tree they could find.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
And then we celebrate this, you know, was it Liam eason.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Right is that I mean, yeah, and uh, you know
there's times but right, but then there they operate outside
the law. But you you raise an interesting point because
psychologically it is empowering.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So we go back to the PEPs model.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Personal You know, power based or political is one of
the components economic, political, and social.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So PEPs.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
So the very fact that I can uh control you
to the point of of capturing you and then serving
justice against you empowers me, empowers the people in a group.
In a group setting is a little different than an
individual vigilante. Individual vigilante is empowered personally, whereas in a
(07:14):
in a group setting, you lose your self identity, You
become part of the mob. That mob vigilanteism that we
saw in the sixties where a black man was seen
on the street and a group wearing white robes and
pointy hats would beat him.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Up or or worse witho lynch in.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
It empowered the group, right, and so that empowerment of
the group is often referred to as the individualization. You
see this, you saw this January sixth and the on
the Capitol. Individuals who would normally be law abiding citizens
and peaceful become all of a sudden part of the
(07:52):
violent group. They feed off the quote unquote hate. They
no longer want that target to exist, and so they're
right there with everyone else stringing them up and hanging them.
So there's there's a psychological component, but there's also a
social component to it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, i'd like that posseive.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm gonna switch it over to the two superheroes because
they play a role we've seen Batman and one of
the bigger ones now, even though I think it's more
a military you know, they always change the backstory sometimes,
but the Punisher was as another character that is known.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
To be that way. The Punisher goes around being a vigilante.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He is kind of the interesting thing, Anie, what I find. Obviously,
the citizens were constrained by law, were supposed to be,
and these individuals go beyond that constrain, as you mentioned,
So it gives them this incredible liberty. But people tend
to support their activity a lot. You saw that there
(08:49):
was one odd one that happened last year during a
lot of the protests and the looting and the rioting,
the gangs of a community decided to protect their community.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Stores from the looters.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Sure, and you have this kind of criminal element going
against criminal element by having.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
A sort of moral code overcoming another one.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So it's really interesting how the gelanteism can portray itself
in so many different areas.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
You're absolutely right, and popular culture contributes to that.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
You know, Batman was a vigilante, right, and yet he cooperated,
he cooperated with the police. And what's interesting in terms
of comics and superheroes is the Marvel series kind of
made a twist on that because they became the enemy, right.
Remember at one point in the series they were told
to stand down. The same thing happened with the Incredibles.
(09:38):
So we'll even go so we doctrinate our children at
a very young age the vigilanteism isn't a bad thing necessarily,
and Mike, my daughter loves the Incredibles. Incredible one, Incredible two,
and Incredible two. They were told to stand down, stand by,
you know, not to participate, and yet they did and
they became heroes again. So we do end as a
(09:59):
society to put vigilantes on a pedestal, but to encourage
that behavior is dangerous for a society because the thing
that has made America great, believe it or not, the
thing that's made us the greatest nation in the world
is the fact, yes we're a democracy, but we're a
nation of laws. And the way that the laws in
(10:20):
our system of jurisprudence was created is that the accused
is given every possible right. It is defense centric. The
government has the burden of proof, so it's the government
that has to do everything right or the accused goes free.
But when you take that out of that process, the
(10:43):
new process and judicial processes is gone. Then anyone can
be accused of being a witch. Anyone can be strapped
to a fulcrum or pendulum and dumped in the water
until they confess, and once they do, anyone can be
strapped to the state and set on fire.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Out of hate.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's a great point. It becomes a sin.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And that's still too because.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Morality could be subjective with a certain philosophical ideas.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And that could be problematic.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Let me ask you this before we get before we
wrap up fascinating conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Maybe we'll continue in another episode somewhere right.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Down the line.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But I know in the cyber world it exists too,
you know, white hat versus black hat hackers.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, let me ask you this. So we wrap up
with this one.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
How would you define or what would you recommend for
a good vigilante behavior?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Good vigilante behaviors We did touch a little bit upon
it in the last podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, but what it would be good vigil ante behavior?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well, don't operate out of hate.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
First of all, listen, I don't like pedophiles, I don't
like criminal behavior. I don't like the sin, but I
don't judge the sinner. That's the court of law. I
spent twenty seven years investigating the sin and then arresting
the center so that they could be judged in a
proper court. So I think that my advice to vigilantes
(12:07):
is it is a component of community or in policing.
As an FBI agent, I certainly reached out to my
community and said, hey, if you see something, say something.
I actually used many individuals in my community in what
they call area of responsibility as part of my intelligence base,
so they would refer cases to me. I would then
(12:28):
determine whether or not there was any validity to the accusations,
following the FBI protocols and the laws in terms of
how I gathered the evidence and pursued a prosecution for
the United States Attorney's Office. That's the proper way to
do it. So my advice to people is, yes, you
definitely want to know if someone is verbalizing homes around you.
(12:52):
You certainly want to know if someone is trying to
go online and groom and act as a predatorwards a child.
You definitely want to do that, and you can even
be proactive at some level, but be careful that you
don't cross the line. And when you do have some
viable information, passe that to the local, state or federal
(13:13):
agencies that are duly sworn to investigate and a poll
the law.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
When you do that, you become part of an apparatus.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
It's a program called community or in policing, cop is
more than a police officer showing a new patrol card
to their community. It is engaged in the community and
utilizing the community to identify disruptors in the community. Those
disruptors are then defined as intelligence gaps. What is it
we don't know that we need to know that's going
on in our community, and then more covert operations can
(13:43):
occur through use of intelligence led policing that is proactive
and mitigates the disruption in the community. As enforcers of
the law, so you surgically remove the bad guy from
that community. And when all of that works in unison,
synchronously community or in policing intelligence like policing and evidence
(14:04):
based policing, you truly have stability in the community. And
that's what makes American keeps America great every day.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's a great point again, folks.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
If you see something, say something, keep your eyes open
when you're out there.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Situational awareness is very important. If you want to learn,
I want to see more of the.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Episodes with Andy, you can go check out in the
playlist former FBI profiler Andrew Bringle.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You can check out the playlist. You got all the
episodes there.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
If you want to listen to it on the podcast,
you can go to Apple or Spotify. Go to Inside
the Criminal Mind with retired FBI agent Andrew Bringle. You
can find it on Spotify, Apple, Google Podcasts, wherever it is.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But if you're here on YouTube, check out the playlist. Andy.
Another great conversation.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Enjoyed it, Carl. Let's have a great weekend you too.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Take care everybody, stay safe.
Welcome to Inside the Criminal Mind podcast, where we analyze
some of the most notorious criminal cases with psychology and
criminology combined.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Here's your host, Welcome back everyone. Well this is part two.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Today we're gonna be looking at the psychology of vigilanteism.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
And there's Andy.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
Hey, Andy, Hey, Carlos, welcome back so long ago.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
That's right, the magic of the Internet.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We're gonna talk a little bit about vigilanteism, but we're
gonna look at it through the psychological lens. I'm trying
to see if society is driving it.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Is it something's already been innate with us all these
years or not?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
So Andy, what do you think? Let's start off with
your pepsma. I don't I know? You have a great model.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
By the way, folks, you can find out more about
Andy at behavioral Science.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You at dot com. You can see it right back there,
behavioral Science.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yet, do not put in the LLC when you're typing
in for the web address.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
No science dot com.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah, and you go to the website where in the
process of updating the website to show some new topics
that we uh we train on, but uh, an awful
lot on the website if you're interested in training, consulting,
due diligence investigations. We do a lot of security work,
so take a look at the website at behavioral science
dot com. Well, Carlos, Yeah, it's a great topic. Uh,
(01:36):
the psychology of vigilantes. I don't think there's.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
A profile, you know, for a vigilante.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I think a vigilante is motivated by a number of
different factors, but primarily when we use the MEPs model,
which you know I apply to all human motivation for behavior.
And when we look at the MEPs model, which you
know stands for personal motives, economic motives, power based or
political and parentheses motives or social motives some black nym pets.
(02:07):
When you look at that model and you and you
measure the motive, the emotional component of the drive to
behave as a vigilante, it's most likely personal.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
It could be social.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
You could be doing it for a group that you are,
that you belong to, but in most cases it's gonna
be personal. Could it could be economic if somebody's paying
you as a hitman to take revenge, But in typical
cases that we can describe the Benard Getz case, for example,
it is personal revenge in the case we talked about
(02:41):
in a previous episode where a victim of sex abuse
by a Jesuit priest sought the priest out while he's
in a nursing home and beat him up. Was later
arrested for assault. Personal So clearly, in most of these cases,
not all, but in most of these vigilante cases, the
driving force behind the motivation is personal. So let's talk
(03:06):
about within that category of personal motive, how is that driven.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And we talked about this previously as well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
From the emotional component, when someone's angering with another person,
they want to hurt them. When I'm angry with my wife,
I raise my voice and perhaps yell to get my
point across, right, You might even insult someone when you're
angry with someone. You might even strike that person when
you're angry with them, because you want them to hurt,
either emotionally or physically. The distinction between anger and hate
(03:38):
is when you hate someone, when you truly have the
emotional expression of hate, you no longer want them to exist.
So if you hate Osama ben Laden, you want him dead.
If you hate someone who molested you, you want them gone.
And so the individuals who are vigilantes literally hate the
(04:00):
target of their violent behavior. An example of that is
Steve Sanderson, the inmate who killed his cellmate. He said
that he hates he hates pedophiles, he hates molesters.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So when this guy and he told the guy stopped talking.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
I was telling him what he did, and he repeatedly
told him, don't tell me anymore. And when he kept
telling him, and he crossed over from being angered a
contemptuous disgusted to hate. And when you hate someone in
that case, he hated that molester. He ended up choking
him out, killed me.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
I know, we've talked about it before. The show was
the interesting aspect as well was the effect of social media,
the effect of society and culture. I'll highlight some components
here you mentioned in the last show Bernard Getz, which
was I think in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I looked up ear later.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
On to do the research and I found a death wish,
as you had mentioned, was in the ninth teen seventies
Charles Bronson, right, Charles Bronson was originally with the remake,
but that that again you can see now at the beginning, but.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
We also saw it as I look back at other
individuals paladin.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
If you go way back when and have gun, we'll
travel an old Wild West show rifleman, and it's usually
a sign a lot of times in these movies back then,
the inability of law enforcement to take care of a situation.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Maybe the's a creation of the community.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
That's a great state.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (05:34):
I think?
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I think that's an awesome point you just made because
of vigilanteism, which is not new, has been around for centuries,
but is celebrated in Hollywood, particularly old Western movies where
they you know, hang them high.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Because they been the wild West.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
There was a lack of justice, there was there wasn't
a sophisticated police system in place. So the enforcement of
societal rules, social contract, if you will, fell to the people.
And when you across those more is the public uh
created a posse. They found the bad guy. They very
often it was a kangaroo court or if there was
(06:11):
a court at all, and certainly not with due process
and the rules of law that we see today. The
uh the accused often became a victim and was strung
up from the highest oak tree they could find.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
And then we celebrate this, you know, was it Liam eason.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Right is that I mean, yeah, and uh, you know
there's times but right, but then there they operate outside
the law. But you you raise an interesting point because
psychologically it is empowering.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
So we go back to the PEPs model.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Personal You know, power based or political is one of
the components economic, political, and social.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
So PEPs.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
So the very fact that I can uh control you
to the point of of capturing you and then serving
justice against you empowers me, empowers the people in a group.
In a group setting is a little different than an
individual vigilante. Individual vigilante is empowered personally, whereas in a
(07:14):
in a group setting, you lose your self identity, You
become part of the mob. That mob vigilanteism that we
saw in the sixties where a black man was seen
on the street and a group wearing white robes and
pointy hats would beat him.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Up or or worse witho lynch in.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
It empowered the group, right, and so that empowerment of
the group is often referred to as the individualization. You
see this, you saw this January sixth and the on
the Capitol. Individuals who would normally be law abiding citizens
and peaceful become all of a sudden part of the
(07:52):
violent group. They feed off the quote unquote hate. They
no longer want that target to exist, and so they're
right there with everyone else stringing them up and hanging them.
So there's there's a psychological component, but there's also a
social component to it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yeah, i'd like that posseive.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm gonna switch it over to the two superheroes because
they play a role we've seen Batman and one of
the bigger ones now, even though I think it's more
a military you know, they always change the backstory sometimes,
but the Punisher was as another character that is known.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
To be that way. The Punisher goes around being a vigilante.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He is kind of the interesting thing, Anie, what I find. Obviously,
the citizens were constrained by law, were supposed to be,
and these individuals go beyond that constrain, as you mentioned,
So it gives them this incredible liberty. But people tend
to support their activity a lot. You saw that there
(08:49):
was one odd one that happened last year during a
lot of the protests and the looting and the rioting,
the gangs of a community decided to protect their community.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Stores from the looters.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Sure, and you have this kind of criminal element going
against criminal element by having.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
A sort of moral code overcoming another one.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So it's really interesting how the gelanteism can portray itself
in so many different areas.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
You're absolutely right, and popular culture contributes to that.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
You know, Batman was a vigilante, right, and yet he cooperated,
he cooperated with the police. And what's interesting in terms
of comics and superheroes is the Marvel series kind of
made a twist on that because they became the enemy, right.
Remember at one point in the series they were told
to stand down. The same thing happened with the Incredibles.
(09:38):
So we'll even go so we doctrinate our children at
a very young age the vigilanteism isn't a bad thing necessarily,
and Mike, my daughter loves the Incredibles. Incredible one, Incredible two,
and Incredible two. They were told to stand down, stand by,
you know, not to participate, and yet they did and
they became heroes again. So we do end as a
(09:59):
society to put vigilantes on a pedestal, but to encourage
that behavior is dangerous for a society because the thing
that has made America great, believe it or not, the
thing that's made us the greatest nation in the world
is the fact, yes we're a democracy, but we're a
nation of laws. And the way that the laws in
(10:20):
our system of jurisprudence was created is that the accused
is given every possible right. It is defense centric. The
government has the burden of proof, so it's the government
that has to do everything right or the accused goes free.
But when you take that out of that process, the
(10:43):
new process and judicial processes is gone. Then anyone can
be accused of being a witch. Anyone can be strapped
to a fulcrum or pendulum and dumped in the water
until they confess, and once they do, anyone can be
strapped to the state and set on fire.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Out of hate.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's a great point. It becomes a sin.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
And that's still too because.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Morality could be subjective with a certain philosophical ideas.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
And that could be problematic.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Let me ask you this before we get before we
wrap up fascinating conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Maybe we'll continue in another episode somewhere right.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Down the line.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
But I know in the cyber world it exists too,
you know, white hat versus black hat hackers.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, let me ask you this. So we wrap up
with this one.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
How would you define or what would you recommend for
a good vigilante behavior?
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Good vigilante behaviors We did touch a little bit upon
it in the last podcast.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, but what it would be good vigil ante behavior?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Well, don't operate out of hate.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
First of all, listen, I don't like pedophiles, I don't
like criminal behavior. I don't like the sin, but I
don't judge the sinner. That's the court of law. I
spent twenty seven years investigating the sin and then arresting
the center so that they could be judged in a
proper court. So I think that my advice to vigilantes
(12:07):
is it is a component of community or in policing.
As an FBI agent, I certainly reached out to my
community and said, hey, if you see something, say something.
I actually used many individuals in my community in what
they call area of responsibility as part of my intelligence base,
so they would refer cases to me. I would then
(12:28):
determine whether or not there was any validity to the accusations,
following the FBI protocols and the laws in terms of
how I gathered the evidence and pursued a prosecution for
the United States Attorney's Office. That's the proper way to
do it. So my advice to people is, yes, you
definitely want to know if someone is verbalizing homes around you.
(12:52):
You certainly want to know if someone is trying to
go online and groom and act as a predatorwards a child.
You definitely want to do that, and you can even
be proactive at some level, but be careful that you
don't cross the line. And when you do have some
viable information, passe that to the local, state or federal
(13:13):
agencies that are duly sworn to investigate and a poll
the law.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
When you do that, you become part of an apparatus.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
It's a program called community or in policing, cop is
more than a police officer showing a new patrol card
to their community. It is engaged in the community and
utilizing the community to identify disruptors in the community. Those
disruptors are then defined as intelligence gaps. What is it
we don't know that we need to know that's going
on in our community, and then more covert operations can
(13:43):
occur through use of intelligence led policing that is proactive
and mitigates the disruption in the community. As enforcers of
the law, so you surgically remove the bad guy from
that community. And when all of that works in unison,
synchronously community or in policing intelligence like policing and evidence
(14:04):
based policing, you truly have stability in the community. And
that's what makes American keeps America great every day.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's a great point again, folks.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
If you see something, say something, keep your eyes open
when you're out there.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Situational awareness is very important. If you want to learn,
I want to see more of the.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Episodes with Andy, you can go check out in the
playlist former FBI profiler Andrew Bringle.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
You can check out the playlist. You got all the
episodes there.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
If you want to listen to it on the podcast,
you can go to Apple or Spotify. Go to Inside
the Criminal Mind with retired FBI agent Andrew Bringle. You
can find it on Spotify, Apple, Google Podcasts, wherever it is.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
But if you're here on YouTube, check out the playlist. Andy.
Another great conversation.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Enjoyed it, Carl. Let's have a great weekend you too.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Take care everybody, stay safe.
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