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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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inside the Mom's Club, your private destination for all things
mom in the same running welcome Mom's Welcome to Inside
the Mom's Club. I'm your host, Monica Samuels, and I'm
here with my lovely co host, Julie Orchid.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hi, I missed you.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I know Julie was away for a little while, but
she is back back and ready, so excited and we're
going to have a great, great show today.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm so exciting, So I really am.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
We haven't seen each other for a while because you
had some other things going on.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I had a small diagnosis of breast cancer.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah, but you're back, so we're so excited about that.
But yeah, I so, I don't know if you were
at the party. Well, I don't think you were there.
I was at a lunch with our other friends and
I was asking them all, should I get a facelift
because I think a little one, A little one. Well, yeah,
you weren't at that one, I don't think because I said,
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I feel like, now I've got a little bit of
Richard Nixon going on, you know, just a little right,
all right, all right? But they said they didn't think,
So what did you?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
What do you think I would have said if I
was at that lunch.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I think you might have said, no, yeah, well thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I appreciate that anyway, but no, But.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
I've kind of gotten in this kick now is that
I feel like, I mean, I guess we all get
to a certain place where we feel like, oh, we
need to change our you know.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Listen, I don't come by this just saying it because
I feel like I'm actually worked for and so I did.
I worked for you know, my background as a nurse.
I went and worked for them and done, you know,
taking care of post off tons of people for facelifts.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So there's I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Think it's a fine balance. I think you can overdo it.
I think you can try to search for something that
you may not get on the other end of the
knife or you know, so it's all about the natural glow.
What do you like, what do you makes you feel good?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well? And you know what kind of stops me anyway?
You know, I'm a hypochondriac, so there is that, yeah,
but I'm also an attorney and very cautious about everything.
And I think the last thing I would ever have
happened is I go in for one of those procedures.
It doesn't go well. Everyone has to come to my
funeral and they're all sad, and they're all saying, you know,
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we wouldn't have to be here if she wasn't so vain.
So that's why I'm like, I'm not gonna go do this,
but that doesn't stop me from doing other things. So
I bought a red light. Oh boy, I haven't really
tried it yet. And the guy that sold it to
me was it south By Southwest. He was very lovely
before he told me.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
What's the trick that he said to you?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Well, he said it was eleven thousand dollars, but they
had a special for seven thousand, but he but he
sold it to me for two.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I haven't tried it yet, but so you know I
did that. Haven't you bring it? No, I don't. I
haven't even opened the box yet, but I haven't. For me,
buying things and getting him is like half the battle, Like, oh,
well I got the whatever, so now I should be
all good. Right. But so I did that, and then
I bought this other thing that you you you turn
it on and it gets really cold and it gets
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rid of the puffiness. I haven't opened that box either.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Flight, but the box I did open.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So I went to Neemans and this salesperson told me
about this product called I think it's Nobelt Panacea, which
is this Mois juriser that costs a ridiculous amount of money.
And I've told her, I said, my husband, I'll rob
a bank to do this. It's ridiculous how expensive it is.
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But she was trying to sell me on the fact
that a Nobel laureate, no, no Nobel chemist, he won
the Nobel Prize. Yeah you want for chemistry, but then
you created this, and so she gave me samples and
I was like, well, they really do work or they
feel I feel really good about it. So now I,
you know, go take cash out at the bank and
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run over to because Mark, if you know the bill.
I just try to avoid that part of it. But
but I did tell her. I said, if this stuff
doesn't work, I'm gonna take this up with a Nobel committee,
because you know, if they can't fix your skin, I mean,
what are they doing over there? A lot of these
products though they do say on there it's a Nobel,
a Nobel chemist or engineer, or.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Makes it sell better.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I guess, well, your skin looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
First of all, let's say it must be working, because yeah,
you're always stunning to me.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Oh well, thank you, you're just lunch. You're so complimentary. Yes,
I'll get your drinks later. Thank you, Julie. You did
that really well. When we rehearse what you were supposed
to say, you did it better than you did it
in practice. You for complimenting.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Here's the thing about that, And I'm going to say
that I just flew from New York last night and
we spent a lot of time going to different places,
and I did get caught up in the whole skincare
department and glow department, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I had everybody try something, so it's it's a
lost You know, what do I do What's most important
to me?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
And it's it's an industry that is worth, you know,
discovering and seeing what works for you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And it's kind of and it's fun too.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Oh my god, it was a blast.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean you can't like yeah that and close I mean,
to do it with your.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Adult child too was even better because this is a
whole new relationship you have.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Sadly, I can't share the experience of face of moisturizer
with my son. He just doesn't. He tunes out if.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I okay, wow, so they all need it even if.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well he does need it, that's a whole demonstrat No,
he doesn't. Well, we are very very very lucky to
today today. We are so excited to have with us
someone who can talk to us about you know, what's
really appropriate because she talks a lot about that a
lot in her writing, you know, at this stage of
our lives, like what what makes sense. She is a
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supermodel who has graced the covers of top international fashion
magazines like Vogue, Essence, and l She's a recognized authority
on beauty through her career as a model, TV personality,
and the founder of the pro aging blog web on
the Fly and the blog Hope mess on Substack. I love,
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love her motto, which is own your age, own your beauty,
own your power. She is the mom of a blended
family of four. Please welcome Veronica Web, Welcome to the mosque. Veronica.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Hi, everybody the.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Orion, thank you for joining us today. Well, you are
so many of the moms out there who are in
our audience are just gonna love to listen to this.
And there's so many things that that we're going to
cover here. We don't have a lot of time, but
I guess the first thing I want to share with
our audience is tell us a little bit about your career.
How did you started as a writer? Correct a fashion writer?
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And you well, it became a number mom.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
There were two things that I always loved growing up.
One was having people read to me because I'm very dyslexic,
but I love stories. Yeah, so as a child, like
you know, I would I would beg my sisters to
read to me. I'm like, I'll go to the store
for you, i'll wash your car, I'll do whatever, you know,
but please read to me every night. And you know,
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it took me a while to actually grasp reading. And
then once I did was you know, it met like
everything to me and then once I grasped reading, then
writing came behind that, and I went from a kid
who struggled to read until like really the third grade
to you know, I was winning writing competitions and always
published in the school newspaper. And the first time I
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actually got like my big reward for writing, I want
a contest and got to go to another school in Toronto,
and I was like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm
seeing the world and growing up. My mother made all
my clothes. My mother growing up on a farm in
Ohio during the depression. So my mother knew how to
make everything, I mean everything.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You know.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
She can make a down jacket, she can make an
evening gown, she could dye your shoes to match. She
made furniture. You know, she baked, she cooked, you name it.
Something creative was always coming out of her hand to
sustain her family. So the kind of love of communication
through the written word and then fashion kind of you know,
all rolled up into one and to model when I
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was young, and my mother said no, very wisely, you know,
she thought, well, you better get accepted to college, you know,
get a scholarship, have a regular job, learn the value
of a dollar. So I did all that, then got
accepted to Parsons, went to New York. When I was eighteen,
worked at a store in Soho as a cashier, got
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discovered by a team that was shooting for Vogue right
in front of my store, and then I went off
to Paris. And the whole time to supplement my income,
I was always writing little articles for you know. That
was back when print was everywhere, right, so you know
you could pick up a little money here and there
writing for paper magazine or The Voice, or Details or
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l or whatever. So you know, it was always sort
of my safety hatch, having writing, and that's continued till now.
I just started un launched to call him on substack,
that new platform that everyone is on as called hote Mess.
And you know, I really like to talk about the
glamorous mess of being a woman, right, you know, and
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the the the frustration and the adventure and the satisfaction
of pulling ourselves and our families together every day.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, So do you find it to be? Is it
still so fun? Is it still so do you still love?
You know what I mean when you when you're getting
ready or putting yourself together. I mean, there's so much
I love, you know, listening to you and seeing the
sub stackets.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I'm on it. So what's your favorite part?
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Yes, it is, it's still fun getting together because one
of the I mean, you know, you go through periods
where it's easy. You go through periods where it's really
frustrating because our bodies change so much, our needs change
so much. You know, we're women, like our bodies change
like every every twenty one days. We're just you know,
we're built to grow and change and more. But for me,
there's so many good memories of growing up and getting ready,
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you know, with my sisters, you know, and then going
to Paris and New York and working with like legendary
makeup artists like Kevin o'coin and oor Bay and you know,
you name it. And then also every time you get ready,
I feel like there's so much hope in it right,
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Like you know, as Adnalaia, who is a great friend
of mine, the designer, he used to say, you know,
women buy these stresses. They come in here and they
buy these stresses, honey, because they give them hope. You know,
hanging in your closet it represents like somewhere where you're
going to go in the future. It represents, you know,
another chance at going out there and getting what you
want in life.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
So you know, I love the combination of nostalgia. Think
in my family, my sisters, you know, my dearest friends,
and then the hope of the future. Oh, you know,
like what's going to happen today when I get dressed
and go out there and you know, take my chance.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So yeah, I feel like I can ask someone out.
It's nice to have an actual supermodel on to ask
this question. I've always wondered because I look at how
some of them are dressed and what they're wearing. Like
I a couple of years ago, I broke my foot
badly and I had to have two surgeries, and the
doctor told me, she said, you're like the hundredth woman
we've had in here, because you all wear high heels
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all these years, and then you make your feet a
little weak or whatever. What what's the real experience? Sometimes
I've seen like a runway model and I'm thinking I
could not walk in those shoes more than a couple
of steps. So what's the experience? You have to be
kind of an athlete, and you know in your.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Beautiful here's the thing you know, those high heels are
like wearing point shoes. So yeah, you don't have to
wear them very long, you don't have to go very far,
but you do have to perform at your highest level
when they're on. And so, you know, one of the
things that I quickly learned to do because you know,
if you can't walk in heels, you can't get paid.
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So you know that that definitely raises the stakes tremendously
and very quickly. But you just put on high heels
and you do everything in them. You know, you go
to the grocery store, you drive, you run, you jump
around until you kind of get comfortable with it. You know,
you kind of have to make your feet hard in
the same way that a dancer has to make their
feet hard. And I've had, you know, situations where in
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a Carl Laugerfeldt show, I went down the runway my heel,
like both both the heels just blew off. Yeah, and
you know, I felt I fell down flat in front
of Anna Winter, the legendaryly unforgiving editor chief of American Vogue,
who Amanda Priestley from uh Devilware's product was based on,
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you know, and I felt so terrible because I felt like,
oh my god. You know, I let Carl down, and
I let down all the women who work in the
artillier who have spent months and months selling this one dress,
you know, and the dress only has like five minutes
to do its thing, even less like probably three minutes
for the world to see it and for it to
make an impact. So yes, high heels can be extremely scary.
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They are not easy to walk in, but you know
you balance that also. You know when I say own
your power, it's like every day I think of what
I can do to make my body stronger. So you know,
I spent a lot of time also actually working on
my feet like a dancer. So that and I still
do every day because you know, your your toes have
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a lot to do with balance, and as we age,
our toes lose feeling. So if you're not working your
feet out, like flexing them, strengthening them, you have a
good chance of falling and breaking your hip. So health
is a really high priority.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That's well, I wish, yeah, I should have done that
more when I tell practice law I'm wearing because I yeah,
I just I literally what took four steps rolled my
foot and it broke. Yeah, so you have build up
to that. So both so your daughters are one is
professional model now and one is aspiring to be.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Is that yes? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
How do you feel about that as their mom who's
been through this.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Well, you know, of course they wanted to do it
when they were eleven and twelve, and all their friends
wanted them to do it when they were eleven and twelve.
And you know, people used to say, because you know,
they're both tall, and they're both you know, they both
are kind of you know built. You know, they've got
enough real estate to be models. Because people always ask
me why you have to be tall, and it's like, well,
so the clothes are more visible from the runway, and
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so that the designer can you know, show an exaggerated silhouette.
You know, it's like you're literally a billboard. You need
to be billboard size in order for the clothes to translate,
you know, through the Internet and magazines whatever. But you know,
it's the same advice that my mother gave me, which was,
you have to get by on you have to learn
how to get by on your personality, your intelligence, and
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you can only be a kid once and being a
pro is the opposite of being a kid. So, you know,
I wanted them both to get through high school. You know,
work at Applebee's, understand the value of dollars, get scholarships, concentrate,
get through school far enough that once they started, it
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would be easy to go back and finish school. So
it's a much different world too than when I started.
You know, they're in the post me too era, so
there's a lot more protection, there's a lot more accountability.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
And I mean, thanks God, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Yeah, thank God. And also it's so much easier to
keep in touch now, Like when I went to Paris
when I was nineteen with one with like a suitcase
that was the size of a carry on, didn't even
have wheels, and one hundred dollars and a one way
plane ticket. If I wanted to call home, I had
to work save up enough money, then go get you know,
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the exact kind of coins, and then go to the
and go to a phone booth and put the money
in the phone booth and hope that somebody was home
to answer the phone.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Wow, that's true, that's true. I remember those. Wow, Veronica.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
There's so many questions I have for you, but the
one that sticks out to me the most is you've
got something here that you know. I'm sure when you
public speak, I'm sure people are wanting to know all
about the sexier second half of life. So we have
adult our most of our kids are adult kids, and
which is a whole different relationship. But you have this
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other half to go, and I want to know can
you talk.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
About that and what that means?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Because I think a lot of people are saying, Hey,
what's next, what's going you know, what's going to be?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
What is it going to be for me? And I'd
love to hear what it is going to be for you.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Well, you know, I just turned sixty last month, and
you know, I was talking to my friend the other
day about how thirty was so scary. You know, Bertie
felt like, you know, I'm not young anymore. It's all
on me now, you know, there's there's there's no more
you know, she's just a kid. Yeah, you know, there's
there's no more excuses. And then forty, you know, really
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felt like, okay, wow, you know there's I'm one hundred
and ten percent in adulthood. Fifty was scary for me,
if you want to know the truth, because I you know,
you look up and you're like, wow, I'm at the
fifty yard line. And then in my fifties, I hit
a second puberty, which is, you know, aka menopause. But
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there's no textbook, right, so like ten years ago, people
weren't talking about menopause as frequently and as openly as
they are now. So I got hit with every single
symptom that you can imagine, from night sweats to you know, burning,
tingling on the back of my hands, to pain, just know,
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brain flog, you know, you name it. I had it right,
you know, and I spent probably you know, the first
half of my fifties looking for relief, you know. And
I spent a lot of time, you know really and
that's when you know, on your age, on your beauty,
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on your power came up and for me, because it
was like so much was changing, and you know, I
had to really accept that. You know, we're meant to change.
We are meant to change, and you have to go
with it. And whatever your body is supposed to do,
just enhance.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It, right, you know, So I trying to change it.
Don't try to go backwards. Pro Aging is basically what
you know, part of your messages. I think and that's
why I would say to you.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
You're gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's it's a great why would you well know, it's
a great message. And when you say, you know, when
I turned fifty, the most offensive thing that happened to
me is ARP felt compelled to send me a card,
I'm like, I did not ask for this. I should
have to ask for this, but you know what, I
should own it. I'm fifty. Yeah, I'm fifty. You know
that's there's no shame in.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
It at all.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
It's it's part of life if you make it that and.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
You know, like for me, the big thing was it's
kind of like, you know, you have to, like you know,
Cher said, you know, snap out of it. You're not old,
you made it. You made it, You're a lot, you're healthy,
everything basically works. You know, be thankful for what you've
built and the gifts that you had. Sixty is like
very cool because you know, I feel like that second
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puberty is behind me in a lot of ways, you know,
like all all this suffering from you know, the perimenopause
is really tamped down a lot, and I don't have
any and then like just like professionally, yeah, I feel
like I don't have anything to prove anymore. There's things
that I want to do, but I don't have anything
to prove anymore, right and you know I don't And
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I feel like the banner for this decade. What's up
in lights in my mind right now is permission to enjoy.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Like that I do, like I do, like I mean,
I've been saying yes a lot lately, So say yes
to yourself, so yes, you know, and give yourself permission.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So when we started, when we were talking at the
beginning of the show, you know, I have spent a
lot of money on different things. What's your what's your
thought about women at at sixty? A lot of them
get facelifts. Then what did your thought about the surgeon
versus the the red light?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
Here's I think that, you know, it's extremely individual. You know.
I also think that there's so much that we can
do aesthetically that's more about building up tissue than sort
of you know, moving things around. Because I always say,
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like sweat gets you probably about eighty five ninety percent
of where you want to go physically, and then you know,
science can help you cross the finish line. And there's
so many great things because you know, obviously, like who
would love to lay down and then you wake up
and you know there's ten twenty years of sort of
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gravity released from your face. But I'm also really scared
of anesthesia. Yeah, I'm scared of like, you know, who's
gonna like you know, what if it doesn't work like
you said, what if you don't like it? What if
you know, they don't close properly and you end up
with a nightmare. So you know, there's there's things that
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I do like. I really like soft wave, which is
it's like a very powerful red light that you get
in the doctor's office. It's non surgical, it's non invasive,
and it really enhances what your body would do naturally,
which is which is to build and produce collagen. We're
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not going to get any more bone because we lose
bone in our faces and our jaws too, you know,
as as we age. But I really feel like, you know,
if you're fighting for muscle all the time and building muscle,
whatever you do like in the gym also shows up
in your face.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
True.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
And then there's another thing I really like. It's called
pure impact, which is it's like these little things they
look like almost like a mouse on your computer, and
the little pods just kind of go on your body
with sticky things. It's also another thing you do at
the dermatologist's office, but it produces the equivalent of like,
you know, five thousand, five thousand bicep curls or twenty
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thousand swats or twenty thousand sit ups, and it takes
an hour, and it's non invasive, and it doesn't hurt you,
and there's no aftercare, and it just and it levels
everything up, you know. So I feel like the more
muscle you build anywhere on your body, it all shows
up in your face.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So I wrote all of that down. Hell yeah, no,
I wrote all that down Julie after the show. We're
near Beverly Hill. Surely there's a dermatologist here somewhere, or
if you have a recommendation, text it to me. Well,
we have some lovely ladies who joined us and have
questions for Veronica. They are zoomer Mom. So welcome zoomer Moms.
Welcome to the Mom's Club Club.
Speaker 5 (24:32):
Heret clop Heather.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Yeah, so, Heather, tell us your full name, where you're from,
a little bit about yourself, and do you have a
question for Veronica?
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Everyone, Happy Monday. I'm Heather Powell. I'm from Austin, Texas.
Julie and I have children the same age. My big
fan of Julie and Ronica. Thank you for your honesty.
You know, I think that to be fifty seven, I'm
an identical twin and we laugh about who's going to
go first to try what new thing. But I love
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that you talk about, you know, giving yourself to time
to enjoy, permission to enjoy life. You know, I think
we all have children that are older and are getting older,
and we're having more time to ourselves.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
I mean, what is that.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I find it very hard for me to say I
can relax or I can take it easier, take the
day off and go read a book or go for
a long walk. I feel like I'm so task driven
and I'm still working. I mean, I love my job,
but it's the downtime. How do you embrace that and
really kind of make the most of it?
Speaker 5 (25:40):
You know, That's that's such a good question, Heather, because
one of the biggest I would say emotional adjustments I
had to make was when everybody left, when my youngest
went off to college, and suddenly the organizing principle of
my day even though I'm working full time, you know,
but the kids aren't there and everything is organized around them,
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and you know, selfishly also, like helping your children gives
you such a sense of accomplishment and we get you know,
and you get kind of hooked on that feeling, right,
And so that's why it's really hard to then like
go read a book on a Saturday, because you know,
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you're used to being of service to someone else. And
then and then you think, like, you know, I have
to like produce something, I have to show something, I
have to do something. But the thing is is it's
okay to just do something that edifies you, that makes
you stronger, that adds up to your mental health. And
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so sometimes I have to trick myself and say, well,
I'm doing this to fight dementia. So you know, let
me do this very long and incredibly complicated puzzle or problem.
But it's really to fight dementia. It's not just because
I'm having fun here. And then I have to remind
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myself it's okay to enjoy your life. You know, you
didn't kill yourself from the time that you were thirteen
years old, like babysitting and cutting lawns and delivering milk.
You know, to still be trying to kill yourself now,
like what for? You know, I mean nature going to
kill you soon enough.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
The retrain is no joke. And I know Heathery, yeah,
then I are tight and we know that. You know,
we both have kids going off to college, and it'll
be uh, the one only one for Heather and the
last one for me. So I love having this interview
to enjoy.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I think you to enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I think you'll get used to it, for I think
I'll have on some of some experiences. Karen, Welcome to
the Mom's Club. Tell us your full name, where you're from,
a little bit about yourself, and do you have a
question for Veronica.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
My name is Aaron Wheat.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
I'm originally from Chicago, but I lived in Dallas for
over two decades. I have a fifteen year old son
who is a sophomore in high school. Namme Attias Dearly.
I had a deep question for you, but I decided
to change it too. I had two questions, but I'm
gonna go with the lighthearted question. When I was getting
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ready for today, I read this interview that you did
with Denzel Washington back in nineteen ninety and I really
enjoyed it. It just transported me back to that era
and those iconic movies, some of which, well you weren't
in the same movies with them, but you were in
movies in the nineties, and you were talking about movies
in the nineties. And I couldn't help but when I
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read it to think that if you were to interview
him today, it would be so much different than when
you did in the nineteen ninety. So I'm wondering if
you would, if there's anybody or anybody who interviewed it
back then, or anything you actually did back then in
the nineties that you would want to do again now.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Good question, Good question.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Yeah, things I did in the nineties that I would
want to do again now. Well, back then, I was
editor at large of Interview magazine that published that published
that interview. Let me see, I think, you know, I
would love to live in Paris again, that's for sure,
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or somewhere in Europe maybe that I haven't that that
I've never lived before, like Rome, or somewhere like that,
you know, and just completely discover a whole new world again.
One of my favorite interviews back then that I did
you know she's she's not here anymore, but earth a
kit because you know, she was so clear minded and
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unapologetically not a people pleaser. I've never met someone who
was less of a people pleaser than her, and I
always thought to myself, Wow, you know you should give lessons.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Love that. Thank you, Missy, Welcome to the Mom's Club.
Tell us your full name, where you're from, and a
little bit about yourself, and do you have a question.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
So my name is Misty Ruffing and I live in Raleigh,
North Carolina, and I'm curious. I love the owning your
own age. I feel like I've done that forever. I've
refused to dye my hair, and I've never really gotten
into the beauty trends, but I love the being owning
your own age at my stage in life. But I'm
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also thinking about my daughter, who I feel like that
the beauty standards in our culture have really pressured her
to get botox or to invest in and gimmicks and
things to make herself more beautiful. And as a biased mom,
I think she's gorgeous and I want to know how
how can we or how do you recommend that we
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own our own age, but we also help the next
generation with that same confidence and pride.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
That's such a great question, misty, And you know what
I have to tell you. Whenever, you know, my daughters
like get down on themselves and they're like, oh, you know,
I think I'm ugly. I think, you know, I don't
like my skin. I don't like, you know, the way
my body is shaped. And I always say to them,
well do you think I'm ugly? Do you think my
body has a weird shape? And I'm like, because you guys,
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you're the best of me, and you're the best of
my mother. And so when I look at you know,
when I look at my face, I see my mother's face.
When I look at your face, I see my mother's
face and her mother's face. So you know, your beauty
is inherited, and you need to really and it's a wealth,
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you know, it's it's the story of your family. It's
the story of who you are. It's the story of
like struggle and love and triumph and it's all right here.
And then you know, for these beauty standards, which like
when you watch movies, now everyone's teeth are the same
everyone's hair is the same. Everyone's eyebrows are the same.
You know, everyone's face is very much kind of the same,
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you know, And and I tell my kids, you know,
like think about your eyebrows.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
They're sisters, not twins, you know, and we're all perfectly imperfect.
Like one eyebrow goes up more, and one eyebrow goes
this way more. And you don't want to take away
what's individual to you, you know, Like I don't know
if anybody's watching White Lotus, but one of the actresses
on there has these gorgeous, like you know, easter bunny teeth,
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and they give her so much personality, you know, and
they make her so much her And you know, here's
the thing, like you're not supposed to look like other people.
You know, you're supposed to look like your ancestors, and
you're supposed to look like yourself. And the biggest thing
is is lots of time we don't like the way
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we look because we're neglecting something. So it's kind of
nice to take an inventory, like getting there and doing everything,
shower and you know, just like you know, where are
you not taking care of your skin? And then like
when you're in the gym, like you know, just kind
of take a quick inventory and and think about is
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there any part of me that's weak and could use
some more attention, and then you build from there.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
That's really, really, really really great advice, are you. I
hope you're writing a book about all of this. I mean,
I have to tell everyone write this down too, because
when I met Veronica, she told me she said, there's
one piece of beauty advice I'll give you is everybody
looks great with a hat and sunglasses. I'm like, that
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is great advice. So everyone last summer they didn't see
my face partly because you know, and it's so true.
It's so true. Well, Julie and I have like a
quick we had we couldn't ignore fashion in all of this. Yes, okay,
what I love in your Instagram is watching you put
your outfits together. And what I do love you you
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put together an outfit that isn't all one designer or anything.
I mean, you mix and match things and there's like
the other I was watching the other day, I want
more of my Banana Republic belt. And one of my
favorite places to co is Seison. They have beautiful clothes
and they're affordably priced. He so, do you can you
recommend for our moms out there? Some other brands like
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that that you mix into your ensemble.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, I mean it's well, there's.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
There's a great brand called Room five H two and
it's it's it's only online. It's actually one of my
girlfriends who's a mom, and it's all it's it's all
like handmade, beautiful cotton. This is actually one of her dresses.
And there's a lot of shirt dresses and gorgeous beautiful
fabrics and everything you can throw in the washing machine.
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And some of them have had I have but four
or five of those dresses that I've had for like
fifteen years, and they always fit the same way, and
the fabric doesn't you know, change or fade or anything
like that. And I think anytime that you know, you
can work with a female founded brand and the clothes
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are you know, beautifully made, it's worth the investment, says
On is one of those companies. Room five O two
is one of those companies. There's a little secret corner
of Zara called Collection, Yes, where you know everything is
everything is very elevated and lasts a long time. I
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also really like a brand out of Montreal called Dodie,
And this is interesting because it's performance cashmere that has
but it's also body shaping at the same time, and
it's very light and really packable and beautiful colors and
easy for us to wear. I'm trying to think of
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somewhere else that would be great for people. And Etsy
is a treasure trove.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, you can find treasure trove well so much.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
But it's not often. I take a lot of notes
in these interviews.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I watching you, and then I got jealous, and so
then I started writing.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Reason I have a I have a fashion question because
I've started to notice myself doing this lately, like I've
been enjoying it more and more. And I work in
the store in Austin called Good Company, and it has
been It's not just about the clothes.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It was the way it made me feel.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
It was the way that you know, I was able,
the energy that I was able to put out.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I felt beautiful, I felt confident.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
And so I've started to take a rack of in
my room and you'll put out a few things and
you'll lay and you'll match, and can you speak to
the process of that, like where where does the energy
come from and the power when you put something together
that you love and you feel good in.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
Well, one thing I feel like when you're really you know, preparing,
because you know, ninety nine percent of modeling and also
motherhood is preparation and you know, being ready and thinking
ahead to step into the next situation. And that's a
great way to do it. To Like, if you really
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feel like your closet's a mess and you have nothing
to wear, you know, take out a handful of stuff
and just throw it on the bed and then you'll
start to see in the pile combinations of things that
you hadn't thought of before, Like you know, different colors
and patterns will just suddenly like lay on top of
each other. It's almost like making a quilt exactly. And
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then when you pull out your favorite things, then hang
them up, like take make a little section and hang
them up, and hang them up like they would be
hung up in a store, right so that you can
see like six things and then just and then just
start to play with them and try them on and
put them together. And you know, one of the things
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that I always say, if you have some time and
your home and you know, maybe like you know, you
just you just need to get your head straight a
little bit. It's it's a nice little meditative exercise to
just play with color and shape.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Like I found another trick.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
To buy your clothes one size up.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Oh, she's writing again, because they're always going to feel
good on you, and you know you'll have some room.
I mean except jeans, right, Veronica, I mean we buy
jeans too big and then right.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
A right, you know of course, like you know you
need maybe maybe one or two pair of snug jeans,
but you know, having having things are one size up,
you'd be surprised that, Like how often people are going
to ask you whether or not you're on ozembic.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh oh okay, great, see you guys.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
See that's great advice. I love that. Well, thank you
so much, Veronica. This has been amazing, as we say
here on the Mom's Club, tell everybody where they can
find you on social media and your substacks and substack here.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, so my substack is hote mess kind of like
oh couture. So it's h A U T E M
E S s at substack dot com. And then I'm
at Veronica web with that's web with two b's on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Well great, and I highly recommend both. I've been following
you on Instagram and I learned so much and I
just love I loved it.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
We didn't even get to the adult relationship motherhood Stuffy.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Part two of ours y Yeah Mom's Club with Veronica
Web Yes, well, thank you so much. Well, moms you
can find us. Oh, thank you, zuber moms. We would
be remiss if we didn't thank you, ladies. Thank you
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Even if you feel a little shy you're not into it,
I bet you know some people who love to talk
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Speaker 2 (41:08):
Sometimes we've had to share.
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It and they can bed. Yeah, that was that one time.
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in your community. Well, thank you so much, Julie. Once again,
these it just goes by so fast. Like you said,
we didn't even cover everything.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
But I have a whole bunch of notes.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, but next time. We will be back, next time
with celebrities and extraordinary moms just like you. We know
your mea time is precious and valuable. Thank you moms
out there for sharing with us. We will see you
next time inside the Mom's Club. Whoo.