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You're listening to Inspire Change, the broadcast that strives to educate, motivate,
and empower men to challenge traditions of masculinity to guide
us through the intricacies and intersections of emotions, relationships, and
male identity is renownced psychologists, author and speaker Gunter Swubota.
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This is Inspire Change.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Before I begin the actual podcast, I would like to
respectfully acknowledge the gategor people of the Order Nation, who
are the traditional custodians of the lane on which I work.
I would also like to pay my respects to their
elders past and present. Welcome everybody to another episode of
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Inspired Change with Gunta. I'm your host. I saw in
a recent article in The Conversation really good and useful
and persuasive piece of media. The article referred to a
study of six hundred thousand college grads and they concluded
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that it does make them better thinkers. Now, who would
have thunked that? In this particular Facebook posting, a Facebook
friend of mine very beautifully and persuasively. I keep coming
back to that word suggested that her avoidance of statistics
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led her to studying philosophy, and she seems to be
forever grateful for that now. Unfortunately, not everybody thinks that
there is an an absolute assault on the supposed uselessness
of studying philosophy. And I find that very narrow minded
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and a bit disturbing and in some ways distressing, because
ultimately all things come down to thinking. So the proposition
that I'm going to put forward today in this podcast
is that thinking proceeds doing, and therefore philosophy precedes science.
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Now that may sound just like a little clever slogan,
but I want to argue that it's completely and absolutely true,
and not just historically, not just in the sense that
ancient philosophy gave birth to modern science, but in a
much deeper and more personal sense. Science always rests on thinking,
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and thinking when it becomes rigorous and critical, is philosophy. Now,
I have a very smart friend, and for whatever reason,
this whole truth seems to escape him. He premises that
science supersedes philosophy. Well, sometimes we consuade people and at
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other times we can't. Perhaps he'll see the truth at
some point in the future. Anyway, welcome back to its
by change with Gonta. That's me and I want today
to explore that whole premise. Now, I know it might
sound a bit abstract, but on a reflection, everything has
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to do with how we live and grow as human beings,
and one of those characteristics that makes us human is thinking,
at least for some of us. Because some of us
simply seem to absorb information and think that that's where
it stops. Others try to bend information to suit their
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own argument. So let me come back to thinking. Before
doing so, we sit down and reflect on this. Every
action begins with thought. Now, some of that thought's very conscious,
but sometimes thoughts are more in the subconscious realm, and
sometimes some of that thought is mixed with the experience
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of somatic experience within the realm of the unconscious. If
you decide to pick up a glass of water, there's
already a massive chain of thinking involved. I'm thirsty, that's water.
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This will quench one thirsting frames they're doing now, scale
it up. Science is a form of doing. It's one
of humanity's most powerful ways of engaging the world. But science,
and this is really really important, is not random doing.
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It's actually structured, methodical, and disciplined. War That means science
needs a framework. What are we trying to know, how
do we test it? And what counts is evidence? These
are not scientific questions, there are philosophical questions. So in
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the simplest sense, science cannot even get off the ground
without philosophy. Philosophy acts as the architect of method. When
I was at university, I studied the philosophy of science,
and especially the philosophy of biology, and it was out
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of that that this became the real truth in our inquisitiveness.
So to think about things in the scientific method, we
have observation, hypothesis, experiment, and conclusion. So how does that work? Well,
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it might work a little bit like this. You know,
am a five year old and I see the dog
and I go, oh, I wonder what would happen if
I tease said dog. Now, my hypothesis might simply be nothing.
I can tease the dog and nothing will happen. Now,
then I'll put that into action, and lo and behold,
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the dog bites me. This leads me to the conclusion
from my experiment that if I tease the dog, the
dog's going to bite me. Now, some kids are really
quick on the uptake, and they'll never tease the dog again.
Some kids need to repeat the experiment and the philosophy
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of science, that's replicability, and lo and behold, the dog
more than likely is to bite again. So the question
is where did that sort of process come from. Now.
The interesting thing is no one actually tripped over this
in a lab in a white coat. This process was
developed over centuries of philosophical reflection. Aristotle, Bacon, Descartes, can't Bopper.
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They all wrestled with a question about knowledge, truth and error, epistemology.
Out of that came the practices we now call science.
And even today, when a scientist designs an experiment, they
are making philosophical decisions. What counts as of our test,
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what variables matter, how to interpret the results. Science is
just not about collecting data. It is data interpreted through thought.
So here's the important bit too, and that is that
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data needs meaning. Imagine this a thermometer reading twenty five.
What does that mean? Well, the interesting thing that, in
some respects without a framework, it means bugger all. But
because we have a thing that is attached to the
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thermometer which reads thermometer, I can go Thermometers measure temperature.
So we've created already a conceptual framework that interprets that number.
Without the philosophy of what temperature is I molecular motion,
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those numbers are just marks on a scale, and even
that scale is not necessarily immediately transparent in its meaning.
So this is true in every field, whether that's neuroscience, physics,
social science, surveys, all of them need philosophy to turn
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measurement into meaning. Now there's a human parallel in all
of this, And the three areas that I'm going to
talk about is awareness, reflection, and contemplation. So I want
to connect this really into human experience, which a lot
of people don't seem to want to do, either intentionally
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or they just haven't thought it through, and they see
philosophy as something completely abstract and useless. That sort of
thinking is fundamentally useless. So what's awareness is our immediate
contact with life? I see, I feel, I notice, And
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a reflection is the act of stepping back and asking, well,
what does this mean? Why did I feel that way?
What patterns are here? And contemplation goes even further, it
asks what is the deepest significance of this? What values
guide me? What truth am I living into? Now, this
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is exactly the relationship between science and philosophy. Science is
like awareness, It gathers information, measures, it observes, but without
reflection and contemplation, that is, without philosophy, it cannot will
not become wisdom, and unfortunately, in our current world, wisdom
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seems to be short on supply. Now, in our personal lives,
we often make the mistake that we think awareness is understanding.
I can be aware that I'm angry, but without reflection,
I don't know why. Without contemplation, I don't see what
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the anger is pointing to in my deeper sense of self. So,
just as philosophy precedes science, reflection and contemplation proceed meaningful
being an action. Without that, we don't really have any
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meaningful around this. Now, there's some historical lessons around all
of this, and if we look back in history we
can actually see this pattern. Aristotle's natural philosophy was a
combination of observation and reflection. Newton's laws were just measurements.
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They were framed by the philosophical belief that the universe
is orderly and governed by causality. Even modern quantum mechanics
raises questions that are as much philosophical as scientific. Is
it really deterministic? Does the observer shape the observed? Now?
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What this shows us is that what and whenever humanity
pushes forward in science, philosophy is already there, setting the
stage you know, opening up the windows to what we
can see and in everyday life, Well, what does that
mean in everyday life? What does it mean for us
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here and now? Well, it means that our doing, our
actions are choices. Our habits always rest on thinking, whether
we realize it or not. If our thinking is shallow,
our doing will become reactive. However, if our thinking is reflective,
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critical and contemplative, then our actions become intentional. And so
this is the practice of self development. Just as science
requires philosophy, our personal growth requires reflection without it were
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like scientists collecting data without interpretation. We move, but we
don't understand. So bringing it back to inspired change, Well,
the point is not to separate philosophy in science or
thinking and doing. It's not an either all proposition. It's
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an and also in many cases, most in the universe,
the fact is to recognize their relationship. Philosophy does not
float above life, disconnected. It grounds life. It grounds us
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into the questions what are we doing, why and towards
what end? I eight year old grandson and us we're
having a discussion around the table, and it was about
you know, science fiction and science and so on, and
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he asked just out of the blue. Is it ever
necessary to have rockets? Yeah? I thought that was pretty
spectacular for an eight year old. Usually most eight year
old goes, yeah, let's build them, let's get into it.
It'll be awesome. But he asked a very very important
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question that we should be asking a lot more. Just
because I can do something, should we do it? If
we neglect philosophy, whether in science or in our personal lives,
we risk becoming technicians of existence, clever with tools but
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blind to meaning. If we embrace philosophy, and science becomes
wisdom and action becomes transformational. So when we say thinking
proceeds doing, therefore philosophy proceeds science. I'm not just describing history.
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I am describing the very structure of human growth. Awareness
gives us information, reflection gives us understanding, Contemplation gives us
direction morally and ethically, and then action can be meaningful.
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So here's the takeaway. And we need to send this
into the ether as much as possible because university is
are pressured to give up the very courses that are
based on philosophy. So here's the takeaway. We cannot We
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should not skip philosophy. Whether you're a scientist in a
lab or someone trying to live a better life. You're
doing will only be as deep as you're thinking. Philosophy
does precede science, Reflection precedes action, and contemplation proceeds change.
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So on that note, thanks for joining me today on
inspired change. Until next time, stay reflective, stay aware, and
keep asking the deeper questions that make life worth living,
and you'll join, whether you like it or not, the
ranks of the philosopher.
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