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October 1, 2025 19 mins
This week on Inspire Change...Gunter Against Virtuous Selfishness From Self to Society.

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Our gratitude this week goes out to our listeners in both the USA and around the globe.  For the USA lists, we are seeing record coast to coast listens all through out the mid west and across the US.  
We would like to express our gratitude to those of you listening in Rhode Island, for making the Top 20 for the first time and landing at #14, thank you to all of you for inspiring positive social change. 
Next we Take a look at the top 20 on our "Global Listener's List" and we want to thank our listeners in the Netherlands for listening & supporting Global Positive Social Change as you have remained steady on the Top 20 and have jumped from #20 to #14,  CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!  
We thank all our listeners for tuning in and promoting positive social change.  This makes you a part of Gunter’s efforts in transforming not only men's lives but lives in general and we are grateful you have joined us.  I, DeVonna Prinzi the Co-Exec Producer and our Showrunner Miranda Spigener-Sapon sincerely thank you and ask that you please take the time to like, follow, subscribe, and share as your efforts make a difference to everyone here at Inspire Change with Gunter.   Please remember If you want to share your story of social change, feel free to reach out  to the show directly. Please see the show-notes for our contact information, but most importantly keep Inspiring positive social change.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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work together to inspire change.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Thank you for your continued support, and let's keep inspiring
change together.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
You're listening to Inspire Change, the broadcast that strives to educate, motivate,
and empower men to challenge traditions of masculinity to guide
us through the intricacies and intersections of emotions, relationships, and
male identity is renownced psychologists, author and speaker Gunter Swubota.
This is Inspire Change.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Before I begin the actual podcast, I would like to
respectfully acknowledge the gategor people of the Order Nation, who
are the traditional custodians of the lane on which I work.
I would also like to pay my respects to their
elders past and present. Welcome everybody to another episode of

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Inspired Change with Gunta.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm your host.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Hello, and welcome to Inspire Change with Kunta. Yes, I'm
back again, and this is where we explore how transforming
ourselves becomes the groundwork for transforming our world.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'm going to subota.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
I'm a psychologist, author, and I'm a founder of Making
Good Men Great. Today's episode answers a proposition that keeps
popping up in the culture that are so called cognitive
elite should embrace selfishness as a virtue. Now haven't we

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heard that before? And that society would be better off
if the most capable among us pursued their own advantage unencumbered.
A recent article in the Conversation highlights a libertarian playbook
favored by tech politocrats, particularly Peter Thiel, and the book

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Praises encourages a cognitive elite to prioritize self interest. You'll
recognize the lineage from an Rand's egoism to a more
recent hymn book, The Sovereign Individual, a nineteen nineties text
reissued with a new preface by Feel in twenty twenty.

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It's promistically empowered sovereign winners exiting the obligations of democratic life.
So over next twenty minutes, I want to do three things.
Map the philosophical errors in that worldview, show with psychological
and anthropological evidence, why radicalize selfishness harms both people and politics.

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And thirdly, offer a concrete therapeutic alternative, an ethic of
responsibility and relational strength that scales from self to society.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Here's the pitch.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
By the Fields. The smartest builders should be free to
optimize for themselves.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
If that looks like.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Abandoning social obligations, so be Yet democracy is slow, coordination
is messy. The future belongs to those who can exit geographically, digitally, financially.
That exit politics saturates the sovereign individual. Nation states will wither,

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The cognitive elite will thrive as free agents. The rest
of US adept or adapt or get left behind. On
talk shows and podcasts, this dance now blends with fantasies
of tech supremacy. Even mainstream outlets have noticed the move

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from libertarian rhetoric.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Rule, I ain't that the truth.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
So let's start where the article doesn't, with a basic
question from moral philosophy, what is a virtue? And the
classical edition of virtue isn't a mood or a market strategy.
It's a cultivated excellence that helps human beings flourish together.

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Courage isn't recklessness, freedom isn't licensed, and self respect isn't
selfishness or even Adam Smith so oft recruited for leis
a fair wrote the theory of moral sentiments to insist
that sympathy, not predation under right social life an economy

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is not. Contrasts that with the manifestose preferred anthropology the
human as a sovereign atom, maximizing personal utility while minimizing
social ties by design, this view hollows out the conditions
of flourishing relationships, institutions, commons, and then marvels when the

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vacuum is African philosophy gives us another lens.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
UBUNTU.

Speaker 5 (06:40):
A person is a person through other persons. Identity is relational,
dignity is mutual. UBUNTU isn't naive communitarianism. It's a sober
claim about how persons become fully human in community and
response ability. Also check in with Martin Bulber the Eye

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their proposition. If selfishness were genuinely virtuous, we'd expect it
to correlate with better lives, but the research points the
other way. Large meta analyzes show that social connection robustly

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predicts mental and physical well being, and that loneliness and
isolation increase mortality risk on power with other major health risks.
In twenty twenty three, a meta analysis of more than
two million adults associated social isolation with the thirty two

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percent higher all cause mortality risk. That's not a lifestyle preference,
that's a public health alarm. Pro Social behavior, helping, volunteering,
giving tends to show small but significant gains in well

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being across studies. Meanwhile, the personality constellation nearest to virtuous
selfishness is narcissism's antagonistic strain, linked to reduced empathic capacity
and brittle self regard across studies. High Narcissism is associated

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with impaired affective empathy and a pattern of self enhancement
that doesn't translate into communal competence. That's a recipe for
short term winds and long term relational costs. As a clinician,
I see this in the room. A man arrives triumphant

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in metrics, but are stranged from meaning lonely in a
crowded life. When we start practicing responsibility and reciprocity, anxiety
is sleep improves. Blood pressure drops, not because he's weaker,
but because he's finally living in a way the nervous

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system recognizes as safe and connected. The virtue of selfishness.
Framing also misreads how groups sustain resources. Nobel laureate eleanor
Ostrom spent decades showing that communities can and do govern
shared resources effectively when they cultivate trust, clear rules, monitoring,

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and graduated sanctions. She called it polycentric governance, many centers
of initiative, nested and cooperative. Beyond the stale binary of
market versus state. Self interest remains real, but it's disciplined

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by norms and institutions. That empirical record contradicts the manifesto's
fatalism that collective action is doomed unless the best and
brightest succeed. In practice, durable prosperity is a relational achievement.

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It emerges when we design cooperative systems that harness initiative
and hold it accountable. So let's name the politics humming underneath.
The sovereign individual treats democracy as a relic that sovereign

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winners can outgrow, and it flirts with a caste narrative,
a cognitive aristocracy who should be freer than the rest.
The French Revolution comes to mind here where we go
heads mustrol. Critics Spectrum have flagged how this logic slides

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towards anti egalitarian governance in the name of efficiency, and
again a major philosophical flaw. Efficiency is not the priority effectiveness,
of which efficiency is a subset. It isn't just theory,
it's a live project. In parts of tech culture. When

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the richest actors can unilaterally exit tax regimes, worker protections,
and the democratic constraints, what remains of a shared world.
We're left with private islands of plenty and public deserts
of despair. That's not innovation, it's feudalism. With a better

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user experience. So what's the alternative that integrates philosophy, personal
therapeutic growth, and social disas in making good men great?
We start with the inner work. Most men don't need
a lecture on selfishness. We need practices that strengthen emotional literacy, accountability,

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and relational courage. We name the internalized habits that patriarchy installs, territory, hierarchy, acquisition, competition,
and combativeness, and we replace them with the values based ethic, purpose, empathy, cooperation,
and stewardship. That's not sentimentality, it's training, it's practice. It's

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a work in progress. If you've listened to our episodes
on shame, accountability, and the move from competition to collaboration,
you've seen how this scales. Here's a concise drill you
can use this week. Three moves from self maximizing to

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life maximizing. Firstly, name the need, not the status. When
you chase status, you escalate scarcity. When you name the need, security, recognition, rest,
you invite negotiation. Do this at home and do it
at work. Shift from the binary wind lose.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
To the and also of codsign.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
In any conflict, ask what outcome would be enough for both,
then prototype it for a week, review and improve it
practice linked accountability. Tell a trusted peer the specific behavior

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you're changing. For example, I will finish by six pm,
phone off and ask them to check in twice this
week and keep the loop tight. Why does this matter?

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Socially?

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Men trained in the reciprocity lead teams differently, run companies differently,
and vote for systems that protect the vulnerable rather externalize
the costs. Personal growth becomes public good. Philosophically, the language

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of virtuous selfishness collapses virtue into appetite greed. Psychologically, it
cuts against what stabilizes minds and bodies, connection, contribution, mutual regard. Anthropologically,
it ignores how real communities steward shared life, and politically

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it rationalizes an exit from democracy at the very moment
we need better, more responsive forms of it. The antidote
is in the guilt so collectivism. It's relational agency, men
and women acting with integrity and solidarity, building households, teams

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and institutions where excellence serves the whole.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Not this an elite few.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
If this episode stirs something, share it with someone who's
tired of being told that care is weak and if
you want structured practice, coaching or community that has these
ideas imbued in them, check in with us. So essentially,

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Speaker 2 (16:06):
So this brings me.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
To the end of this episode, something a little different
as always, but necessary. We are running out of time.
We need to get our shit together and get rid
of these amoral, immoral ideas, ideologies and hobbage of them

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people like the Ultra Right until next on, This is
me signing.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
Off, Hello and welcome to all our listeners. This week
we'll take a look at both the USA and around
the globe. For the USA list we're seeing record coast
to coast listens all throughout the Midwest and across the US.
We'd like to express our gratitude for those of you
listening in Rhode Island for making the top twenty for

(16:57):
the first time, landing at numbers fourteen. Thank you to
all of you for inspiring positive social change. Next, we
want to take a look at the top twenty on
our global listeners list, and we want to thank our
listeners in the Netherlands for listening and supporting global positive
social change as you've remained steady on the top twenty

(17:21):
and have jumped from twenty to number fourteen congraduations. We
thank all of our listeners for tuning in and promoting
positive social change. This makes you a part of Gunter's
efforts in transforming not only men's lives, but lives in general,

(17:41):
and we are grateful that you have joined us. I
Devanna Prinzy, the co executive producer and our showrunner mirandas
Bidner's opone. Sincerely thank you and ask that you please
take the time to like, follow, subscribe, and share, as
your efforts make a difference to everyone here at Inspire

(18:04):
Change with Gunter. Please remember if you want to share
your story of social change, feel free to reach out
to the show directly. Please see the show notes for
our contact information, but most importantly keep inspiring positive social change.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Love to hear from you, and if you interested, please check.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Out my work on www Dot got Sboda dot com
or www Dot Goodman Gride dot com.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Thank you for listening to Inspire Change a broadcast. This
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of masculinity. For more information on the making good men
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