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You're listening to Inspire Change, the broadcast that strives to educate, motivate,
and empower men to challenge traditions of masculinity to guide
us through the intricacies and interceptions of emotions, relationships, and
male identity is renowned psychologists, author and speaker Gunter Swubota.
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This is Inspire Change.
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Before I begin the actual podcast, I would like to
respectfully acknowledge the gategor people of the or nation, who
are the traditional custodians of the lane on which I work.
I would also like to pay my respects to their
elders past and present. Become everybody to another episode of
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Inspired Change with Gunta.
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I'm your host.
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Welcome everybody to another episode of Inspired Change with Gunta.
This is the final podcast for Caesar seven, which went
really quickly. It's also a moment when I want everybody
to reflect on the tragedy that took place at Bondo
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Beach last night. We were all seriously shocked at what happened. Now,
I'm not going to spend a lot of time expressing
my thoughts and feelings about what happened, because many many
people are already doing that, some out of a way
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of creating unity. But unfortunately, as always, there are those
people in politics and government and in the media who
are using this as a way of furthering the device
the divisiveness and the divide in our community, which I
personally find absolutely despicable. So with that said, let me
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move on to the wrap up podcast that I want
to work with in today's episode. So, like a lot
of times, a year can go very very quickly, and
season seven was no disappointment in that regard. Now, if
you've been listening through the year, you'll have noticed the
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thread I kept pulling on, and that is the micro,
your inner world, your relationships, the private moments where masculinity
either becomes maturity or it becomes armor. And then there's
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the macro culture, politics, economics, and the system that quietly
rewards dominance and punishes vulnerability. Today, as I said, it's
the final episode of season seven. Let's ring it out properly,
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and then I'll share with you a little bit about
what's coming up for season eight, what's happening with Making
Good Men Great, including the very special edition of Making
Good Men Great, saving a New Masculinity, and also why
we're launching Patreon. So let's begin with a micro. In
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my view, the micro me or you as an individual,
is where the real action begins. This is for some
the real battle, for others, it's the coming to a
place where there is a sense of peace and calm
and safety and security. So, even amongst the tragedy that occurred,
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we've got to realize that most men are not trying
to be cruel. Most men are trying to survive. They're
trying to feel competent, they're trying to be respected, and
they are trying to keep shame off their back. So
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they do what they've been trained to do. They tighten up,
they stop feeling, they try to control outcomes, they perform confidence,
they go quiet instead of being honest. And then they
wonder why intimacy feels like work, why anger shows up
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faster than sadness, why they feel alone even inside a relationship.
This is why the work has to be internal and
not ideological. You can't outthink this, you outgrow it, you
heal through it, and that is the whole approach. You're
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making good men great. It's not to be a better
man as a moral lecture, more like build a nervous
system that can tolerate truth, connection, and repair. So here
are the three simple capacities that kept coming up in
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SAS seven. Firstly, awareness, can you notice what's happening in
you while it's happening, not later, not after the argument,
not after you've numbed out alignment.
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Do your value, your physiology, your behavior, and your relationships
point in the same direction or are you living with
constant internal friction internal conflict in many respects psychodynamically, that
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is the basis for neurosis and distress and disturbance. Finally, atunement,
can you read the emotional reality of another person and
respond to what is needed, not what your ego wants.
If you develop those you become less reactive, less easily manipulated,
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and more capable of real intimacy. And that leads straight.
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To the macro. Because the macro is full of people
who never learned any of these skills. I want you
to zoom out for a minute. The macro themes this
year have been intense social fragmentation, polarization, rage as entertainment,
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certainty as identity, economic pressure, exhaustion everywhere. Last night here
in Bondai Beach. It didn't alter any of that. It
actually crystallizes it. You argue about politics all day, but
underneath a lot of what we are watching is psychology
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at scale. There is one hard truth. A society that
cannot do emotional development, worldly fault, to control, and potentially
to violence. It will call it strength, you will call
it common sense, it will call it realism, But underneath
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it it's dysregulation dressed up as authority. So be particularly
aware what you're going to be hearing in the media,
in the digital space, and in society at large. So
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that's one of the reasons why I keep saying the
micro is political, not because you need to post about
your feelings. In fact, often think twice before you do that,
because the way you relate to shame, fear, anger, and
power determines what you tolerate in leaders, what you mimic
at home, and what you pass on to your children.
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If you want to clean line from the micro to
the macro. Here it is when men cannot metabolize vulnerability,
they either collapse or they reach for dominance. And systems
built on patriarchy will always offer men the same bargain.
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Trade you're in your life for status, trade intimacy for control,
and trade tenderness for performance. And this is what Caesars
seven has meant about. It's been about refusing to accept
that bargain. So if I think about what did season
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seven do well, From my perspective, it named the machinery.
It challenged the cheap stories, the clickbaits, the simplistic representations
of complex phenomena. It Season seven tried to hold complexity
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without going soft, because if we reduce masculinity is the
way it used to be, we also lose the plot
that is nostalgia dressed up as virtue, and all those
who profess conservatism need to accept that principle and rethink it.
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What we really need is a burgeoning, a healing towards maturity,
a masculinity that can hold power without being possessed by it.
And in my view, that's all about feeling empowered. Season
seven was the argument. Season eight I'm hoping will be
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the build. Season seven has been the micro to the
macro as a lens. Season eight will be the micro
to the macro with tools in your hands. Not a
self improvement theater, Sure, practice emotionally and behaviorally. All right,
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So let me make a few announcements. So we've got
Making good Men Great, the Special Edition, or what I
call the second edition of Making good Men Great, Surfing,
a new masculinity co authored by myself and my wife,
and it's real, it's moving This matters because it consolidates
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the work, It sharpens the language, and sets a stronger
foundation for what making good Men great becomes next. If
you've read the earlier edition, think of this as a
version that reflects the current maturity of the framework. When
the video version of this finally goes up, we will
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post links and details so you can grab it easily.
What about patrearch I want to be very clear about
why we're doing this. Most people do not change from
information alone. They change through repetition, reflection, relationship, and accountability.
So Patreon is not just a tip jar. It's a structure,
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a way to keep the work alive and practical between episodes,
and a way for you to support the shows so
it stays independent. Here is what you can expect from Patreon. Firstly,
the practical tier, short weekly audio or written prompt simple
exercises you can actually know, not motivational fluff, but real
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inner work. Secondly, the Deep Dive tier. Here we have
extended episodes behind the scene reflections and cheating segments that
are too detailed for the main show. This is where
I will unpack concepts like the masculine introject, shame relation
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or repair and what triarchy trains into the body. Thirdly,
the community to live Q and A sessions, occasional group calls,
and structured conversations. Not therapy, but a guided space where
men can practice honestly without collapsing into performance. And for
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the women listening, you're not excluded from this. A lot
of this work is relational. It affects partners, families, workplaces, communities,
and you are also most welcome. Word fits Patreon is
how we build an ecosystem around the podcast, not just
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a broadcast. So what is in season eight? I'm going
to be focusing on the replacement skills, things like emotional
literacy that doesn't become performative, softness that's grounded and not
dominant or coercively controlling. We're going to examine intimacy beyond patriarchy,
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which means dipping into trust, consent repair, and the courage
to be known, so transparency, authenticity, that's what we're going
to be drawing on. And finally, the real thing that
I want to focus always on is that the evolving self,
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which is the deeper question underneath all of this, Who
you become when you stop living a script. If season
seven was about seeing the system. Season eight is about
building a different one inside yourself and then outward micro
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to macro, but with traction. So that brings us to
the end of season seven. If you have listened this year,
thank you from the bottom of my heart. I don't
take your attention lightly. If this season has helped you
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name something real, do not let it stay simply as
an inside Pick one action this week that moves you
away from the old script and towards the man that
you actually want to be. And if you want to
support the work, follow the podcast, share this episode with
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someone who will get it, and check out the Patreon
when the link goes live with a video version. I'm
Goodness promoter. I'm your host. I'm a psychologist, a writer,
a speaker, a content creator and researcher. And this is
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inspired change. You know.
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Hello and welcome. We thank you for tuning in and
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