February 19, 2024 • 27 mins
Dr. Matt & Dr. Kim Dickson from SouthBay Urgent Care in Imperial Beach TO talk about the severity of the sewage crisis stemming from Mexico. Especially about how it is now airborne.
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It's a few minutes after five pm, and we're out in Cornado, California,
on the Brett and Larry podcast withIQ Podcasts. We got an amazing
show tonight, folks. I'm sorrywe start a few minutes late. We
got the national people around the countrywatching the show. We got the politicians
in Washington, DC watching the showtonight. It's on the radar screen,
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probably the top podcast in the wholeUnited States today, and we got it
right, Brett, we did well. We got the top guest. Yes,
we wanted to talk about the subjectwhich is very, very important.
We got Kimberly Dixon, doctor KimberlyDixon, and doctor Matt Dixon, who
run the South Bay Urgent Care rightin the middle of all the action down
in Imperial Beach, the bad action. That's correct. Thank you. So
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you guys have been getting a lotof publicity. You made the front page
of the San Diego paper a fewdays ago, and you're right, and
the cutting edge of everything now goingon through the whole Washington, d C,
Coronado Burial Beach. So tell uswhat this headline is that says that
you can really tell the cases arecoinciding with the raw sewage from the Tijuana
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sewage crisis. Well, thank youvery much for having us. And it's
a very important subject for us becausewe live here and our children went to
high school here, and so it'sreally obviously we're well vested in this community.
It's our community, it's where ourpeople are. So yeah, we
started noticing. We've always known that, you know, if people go in
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the water when there's contamination, thatthey can get sick. So we've always
seen for years surfers, our Navyseals, our Border patrol, our lifeguards,
or just people walking their dog onthe beach if they were at the
beach when the water was contaminated,people would get sick. There's a doctor.
You want to prevent illness, andthat's the thing that you know,
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we would say, hey, payattention, don't go in the water when
it's contaminated. But this last summersomething happened differently. We had this big
tropical storm. So I don't knowif you remember tropical storm Killery, something
that doesn't happen very often in thesummertime around here, but we just got
a massive amount of rain all atonce, and we had a lot of
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flooding in the streets. We hada couple other things happened. There was
the boiled water advisory as well asthe Hollister plant broke down. And when
the Hollister plant broke down, therewas twenty thousand gallons of raw sewage on
the streets on the San Diego Citystreets. So it was a perfect storm.
Yeah, it was a perfect storm. And we noticed right after that
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we just were overrun with people withgastro intestinal illness. So what does that
mean? Stomach hurts, you're vomitingdiarrhea. So these are those things that
we were just seeing an insane amountfor us, and so we started looking
at that why all these people gettingsick? And the thing that was scary
was these people were not going inthe ocean. It was raining, it
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was stormy. Well, so that'swas the big change that really kind of
was the big red flag for us. Yeah, the light bulb went on,
you know, and that's what webecame concerned. And we were we
live in the neighborhoods, we livein the community. We'd be walking around
the walking our dog and our neighborswould say, Oh, I haven't seen
you for a few days. I'vebeen inside, I've had diarrhea, Like
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our patients are having diarrhea, ourneighbors are having diarrhea, right right,
So that's when we decided we're goingto take a look and see, you
know, if there's any correlation here. So we started looking in our electronic
medical record and we're able to seethe diagnosis codes and how frequently we use
them. So we just started runningdata to see how frequently we were seeing
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cases of diarrhea and nausea and vomiting. And what we noticed is that there
was a correlation with the contaminated withthe contaminated ocean and contaminated sewage running down
in our community. Yeah, sowhen you had the streets were covered in
sewage at Hollister Street, which againis flooding again currently when we have this
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last rain, and so whether it'speople are getting it from the ocean or
people are getting it from driving inthe street, or we had the boil
water advisory they had bacteria in thewater system, so they had everybody boil
their water. So is it gettinginto our water system. We don't know
the answer to that, but wedo know that when it rains, people
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get sick. We looked at ourdata from last February. If you remember
last winter, we had a bigwet winter, and right after that rain,
we had a big spike same thingof people with gastro intestinal illness,
vomiting, diarrhea, of domino pain, which coincides with the amount of sewage
that's bypassing the plant, the dilapidatedplant, and coming down the river valley
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into our community. We said somethinginteresting, which was you noticed that when
there was more sewage coming in,and then earlier you said something about the
clean water system being affected and yousaw it increases of people coming into your
clinics. I wonder if it's stillnot being detected that clean water is being
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affected and we're not hearing more aboutthat. You know, that's a great
question, Bobby, crossed your mind, right, It's crossed our mind.
It's crossed ourlind Yeah. And Idon't know if anybody was checking into it
before, right, And who's watchingit right? Well, who's watching it
now? It's a great question.I mean, cal American Water is our
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water company and they're the ones thatput out that warning. The question is
is it happening again? I mean, are they having positive tests? I
don't know the answer to that rightnow. But you don't have to be
a medical to doctor to think thator to understand that if there is sewage
on the street, and sewage ina river going through your backyard, and
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sewage in the ocean, people aregoing to get sick. We figured this
out centuries ago. The Romans new, you know, separate that stuff.
But we have right now with thelast terrain sewage in our streets. They're
showing pictures of our lifeguards rescuing acoyote or rescuing people in this sewage water,
and these people are being exposed tothis illness. Now, one of
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the big challenges is so we haveflooding of our streets of sewage contaminated water.
Well, people drive through that.Now you drive your car through that,
and then you pull into your drivewayor into your garage. Now you
have sewage in your house, oryou walk through it. Now you walk
through the sewage and you go insideand you take your shoes off, and
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you then go make dinner, youwash your hands because you're not thinking that
there's sewage there. And so nowyou're spreading that illness. And there's kids
that walk through that sewage water andthey go to school, and they touch
their feet and then they touch theirdesk, probably put their hands in their
mouth, get their hands in theirmouths. Again, this isn't rocket science.
I mean, this is just basicunderstanding of infectious disease. So we
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have a way for to spread thisdisease. And it's happening here every time
it rains. We take our shoesoff every time though, just you know,
because of that, because we're walkingthrough all edged helf. You're smart,
it's very well. Like you justmentioned. The other thing I'm gonna
ask is in Coronado, I knowprobably twenty friends of mine who have a
cough they can't get rid of.I think it has anything to do with
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that. I mean, it's justlike this little thing that they just can't
get rid of. And a lotof them live right on the water right
well. And they did the studyout of scripts with doctor Kim Prother that
shows that the bacteria may be aerosolized. But I don't think anybody's looked further
into the correlation. I think shemay be doing more research, you know,
So yeah, that's what I don'tknow if you're aware of that,
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Kim Pratt. I know where I'mat UCSD. She's put these sensors up
and she looks for DNA of thebacteria in the air. And so this
is the one we were talking aboutearlier. This is something front. This
is the same thing. And sothey'll actually have the same DNA of the
bacteria in the water. It's thesame one that's in the air. So
from the sewage. From the sewage. Yeah, and so now that is
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getting into there. So that's agreat question. And I'll tell you a
personal note is I know when Ihave asthma, and I know when the
water quality is bad because they startto wheeze. I can tell you right
away. And we'll wake up inthe morning and I'll be using mine inhaler
and we go outside and we livein Imperial Beach and smell smells bad,
smells like sewage. I'm using myinhaler guaranteed it's I know ahead of time
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before they put the signs up,because I'll be wheezing before they put the
signs up. So is everybody withinan Imperial Beach within two or three blocks
of doce and closing their windows everysingle solitary night. They use air purifiers,
and of people are using air andIt's not just Imperial Beach, it's
everywhere all along that. He says, the spirits smells it down at Shula
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Vista, Sanua Sidro National. Socan you imagine how the people feel who
live along the Tijuana River Valley inSanya Cedro where it's raw sewage literally behind
their back fence. I mean,we can smell it up here. They're
right in the epicenter of it.Yeah, So we talk about sewage,
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and as we did our film mcdumpShameless Plug, we found that there was
a lot of other things that arenot being detected, like heavy metals,
pharmaceuticals. You elaborate on anything you'veheard, right right. Well, STSU
came out with their white paper recentlyand I think they did address that.
Sum I think there needs to bemore work to look into that. When
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you talk about heavy metal exposure andpesticide exposure and all these chemicals, what
I think of is the long termconsequences. In other words, in ten
years, twenty years after all,right, multiple years of exposure, what's
your risk of leukemia, cancers,Alzheimer's. Those are the things in the
back of my mind. And Idon't know that any but he's looking at
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it right now. So I hadthis idea, I'm not going to do
it. I had this idea todo another movie, small movie. So
it starts out year twenty fifty andthen it zones in and it shows del
Cornett of Hotel are boarded up,you know, fences all right around the
ocean, nobody goes in it anymore, all kinds of bad stuff. And
it's like a science fiction thing thatif we don't do anything in the next
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twenty six years, I mean,it's like Atlantic City, yeah right,
closed up? Yeah yeah, andit was booming at one time. Yeah.
What is the military base on theeast coast that they see camp Camp?
Yeah? You see those commercials,right, I'm wondering if we're going
to be on the one of thesedays in the future. I'm very good
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surprised you. I mean, we'reworried that this is the next Flint,
Michigan. Really, that's I mean, that's kind of thing, is these
exposures, and that's truly our biggestconcern is the long term health effects.
We can show people getting diarrhea andgetting gastro intestine. We can check for
bacteria, I can test for that, but I can't tell twenty years from
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now if my patients are going toget leukemia, they're going to get dementia
and Alzheimer's, are they going toget other, you know, cancers.
There's no way to show that,and that's a twenty year process. So
that's the biggest fear I think wehave now is the long term effects of
all these people that live right Imean there's two hundred thousand people that live
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right down at least seven hundred andfifty thousand in South Bay and that's just
our side of the border. Yeah, what about all the people in Mexico
that are being exposed as well?So three million people in Tijuana or whatever.
It's a really big concern. Solet me ask you something, which
it just baffles me because I'm inreal estate sort of too. I invest
in stuff, and everybody's concerned aboutreal estate. Here's what I can't understand.
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Prices. Everyone went down two centsin Imperial Beach, yet not a
penny keeps going up. Actually,and in they're building. You see by
the period I gain, all theguys are out there that they're building every
what the heck? When what isit going to take before it starts there,
because if it starts an Imperial Beach, then we'll move down to corn
Now, so that'll be the firstsign for people live in corn Now when
it starts there. Why is thereno panic at all? I mean or
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from real estate standpoint, you know, I don't think people realize the consequences
of it truly. We're going abouttheir day on their cell phones, learn
about the kids, their jobs.Right Well, it's like the water's dirty,
it's okay when it inconveniences them enough. Maybe. And I also think
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that the health consequences from it areflying under the radar. So we know
we have an open, open sewersystem running into our community with chemicals in
it, but people are ignoring it. When the CDC comes in here and
says, yeah, there's a problem, I think that's probably when we'll start
to see some action. But rightnow it's flying under the radar. Nobody's
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recognizing it. Well. Our exCongressman Brian barrel Bay says it's going to
take some people dying right before ithits the radar screen, which is really
sad thought. It's unfortunate. Yeah, and people may may have been affected
already because right now the health departmentlooks at hospitalizations, our visits, the
certificates to try to find out ifthere's any effect from the sewage. A
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lot of the patients that we see, they aren't sick enough to be in
the hospital, So are we missingit right? Right? Right? We
actually started to do some studies testingon people's stools what organisms are we really
and we're seeing things like equal I, Shigella campbell of actor. These are
all wow, very bad organism.Never I've never heard of it. It's
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not one hopefully you will never haveto where where is it from. It's
in it, it's in sewage,it's in stool, so somebody, it's
spread through, so people touch somebodythat's contaminated. So you guys are doing
this on your own. Yeah,we're trying to crow a database to show
that these organisms are are present.Now. The good news is that only
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a small percentages are the very badones things that like there's equal that comes
in many forms. There's very badones, and there's ones that aren't so
bad, sons that are deadly andsome that aren't so deadly. But we
are seeing the ones that can bedeadly, and that's the part that we
worry about is if you're young,you're healthy, and you get exposed to
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one of these deadly or more dangerousorganisms, you'll fight it off. But
if you're very young or very old, or say you're compromise because you're going
through cancer, sure, then that'sgoing to kill people. So it's there
that those organisms are in our community. It's kind of silent, it's kind
of yeah, it's going under theradar. Well, you know, once
we realize what was going on inAugust, we kind of we started flying
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the red flag and saying something's goingon, and we talked to the health
department. We got their attention.So now they're starting to look at it
a little differently and they're collaborating withus. And I feel lucky that they're
there in the clinic and they're payingattention and they're interested, and they're starting
to talk to our patients and diga little deeper, which is what needs
to be done. How can youlive in a city, each city and
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the beach is closed seven hundred straightdays. We've been closed a lot now
on corner, how can I mean, it's like, what, how could
it not be going off on thesepeople's minds yet? Right? And it
wasn't like that eight years ago wemoved eight nine years ago, it wasn't
wasn't like that. It was anoccasional closure. Now it's it's consistent.
So we've been hearing more. Ithink the timing of everything it's always been
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going on. Our movie seemed toaffect people because they saw visual stuff that
maybe they hadn't seen before, maybesomethings you already were aware of. And
it's amazing how many people in townthat when we were making the movie didn't
know about the sewage coming into theocean here and they lived here. Isn't
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that crazy? Yeah, we enjoyedDog Beach in Coronado. Yeah are you
still going or no? Well,we do go, but when we go,
the signs are up and there's justlike your movie showed. There's kids
playing in the water, just dougs, all front dogs frolicking and you know,
we went down to look at theship that's uh, you know that
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shipwreck that exposed the other day cameout. Yeah, we went out down
there was great, we got tosee it and there's just everybody with their
families playing in the water and rightthere it's a big sign that's contaminated water,
and so it's it's scar Yeah hereit is. So one of the
best lines in the movie. YouBret says, who's policing the ocean?
Who's policing it? Who? There'snobody. I mean, there's nobody there.
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And the tourists they don't know anything. They just cut in their cars.
And what I don't understand is whythe Port of San Diego, because
they kind of like are supposed tobe involved with that whole thing, right,
Why aren't they more? Why aren'tthey police? Why do they Why
did they come up with the newforce or police force of some kind of
police idea, great idea, thegreat question. Have you have you talked
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to anybody? I like it?I mean I think that, Yeah,
it's a very good idea. Youknow, we hadn't talked to anybody about
that specific issue, but somebody wehaven't reached out to the city a couple
times to try to get them topolice, if you'd like to say,
the streets. So when we havesewage on the streets that people are driving
through in Sanya Sidro, they postsigns that say flooded and there's mud thick
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mud ankleheim mud that's not just mud, it's sewage contaminated mud. And so
we've asked them to post signs thatsay sewage contamination so that you're aware when
you drive your car through there,you walk through there, you ride your
horse through there, you ride yourbike through there, that you're you're you're
walking in boop, so to speak, right, And nobody's policing that either.
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And that's part of the frustration withthis whole thing is there's a lot
of finger pointing but no action,I know, eighty eight years. So
we're hoping that our movie is nowis being used as a tool in Washington,
DC because John Duncan, Congressman Peters, and may Or Bailey went down
or knocking on doors trying to getvotes and get the extra three hundred and
ten million. Nobody even know whatthey're talking about. We put our movie
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up on YouTube and now the wholeworld can see it, and they're using
it as a tool for the politicians. One of my people at the Shores
is showing it to our congressman inColorado, another one showing it to their
congressman in Montana. So like that, we're hoping tonight that this podcast right
now will become a tool because theygave a lot of great information tonight.
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We would I mean, we don'twant to get into beating a dead horse
sort of say, but we wouldlove for you to come on periodically,
yeah, and give us the informationbecause I think we need to find a
way too. You said think yousaid earlier that nobody's nobody's really enforcing things
right you're going are just happening still. So I like the idea of a
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police force for the ocean in ourarea really good, right, idea?
If the water is not good enoughto swim, and why can't you fish
on a dock or why can't yougo in the water when the signs rip?
That should be a ticket, Ithink, and our life guard wards
are sacrificing their own health, right, Yeah, I'm very concerned about our
lifeguards when you see it with thisrain. They're they're saving people that they're
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being exposed in our kids and everything. What about our navy the way the
world is right now with wars goingon, things happening. What happens if
we need to get our navy sealsready for a situation and we are not
able to because they're not allowed togo in the water or for whatever the
reason. So we've been trying forsix months to get somebody from the Navy
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Seals that's high up, retired orwhat are active to say Tijuana sewitch is
hurting the readiness in the training ofthe Navy Seals one sentence. They can't
get anybody to say it. Goodquestion. I think maybe the reason they
don't want to say it is becausethey're afraid to open up a door of
blawsuits. That's crue very true.True, good point, good point.
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Yeah, Okay, Well, Ihope all our local politicians and nash politicians
in Washington, d C. Seethis. We're going to get it out
to them, right, Sarah,We're going to put this all over the
world because it's a lot of informationthat is really great. They're going to
come on occasionally on our show becausewe're every Thursday night at five o'clock,
and we we we hate to havesad topics, but our hearts were so
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passionate about all of us that wegot to do this. But now we
are going to switch into some morefun stuff. So what did you guys
think of a Super Bowl? Hehad He's got a prediction. What was
happening. You're working, right,actually watch it was not working. We
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had Super Bowl Sunday off, soit was good. Oh right, we
said they probably didn't see it.They're working at Yeah, we do work
a lot. But we did getto watch Super bowls. That was a
great game. Did your team win? No? Yeah? So anyway,
also yeah, also one other thing, this might be our next project.
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We mentioned it a little bit lasttime. So We Are the World documentary
on Netflix. Did you see it? You know the song? Right,
we Are the World? So theydid a documentary. It's spectacular about the
night, how amazing it was.So we may do a project Brett and
Sarah and myself where we get thelocal people and Cornado entertainers to recreate that
night, everybody plays a different personand put it up on YouTube. I'm
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trying to get the rights now fromLionel Richie and Michael Jackson because they wrote
the song, and if we do, we're going to do it, which
would be really great. Then wethink that actually a lot of cities we're
trying to start recreating it with theirlocal entertainers. So we're working on that
a little bit. So fantastic,like we got fun stuff we're doing.
I love it. I love it. This sounds at a little self serving,
but I would love to see thatsong with those individuals at our educator's
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event on stage. Oh yeah,if they turn us down. He came
up the idea, Well, wecreated on the stage that night, but
we'll have to get some of thepeople to learn their life and stuff.
But you know, well you havethe words on there, you know,
like we did the John Lennon song. Yeah, that was great, we
could do that. I really enjoyedthat we could do one of the questions,
you can ask them how the Pottersare going to do? No?
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Oh yeah? So uh February twentysecond, Padre is playing the Dodgers first
spring training game. Are you guysPatrick fans? We are Patters fans?
Okay, definitely we are we going? I don't know it's in Arizona.
I don't think we do the podcastover there? Interviews? Maybe? Yeah?
Maybe? So? Do you guyswatch movies some We don't have a
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lot of free timere pretty busy?Okay, Well, I gave a couple
of last week, but I watcheda brand new one called My All American
on Netflix. Unbelievable story and Iwant to give away any of it,
but about a football player at theUniversity of Texas. Oh my god,
true story. If you get achance to watch it, unbelievable. We
needed a new one to watch,really uplifting and great. So I saw
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one with Sarah and I didn't inmy aunt and I walked in from meeting,
and of course I get intore watchingmovie Ben Carson. Oh, yes,
that movie for President, right andfor President. But here's the thing,
I didn't know it was the same. I didn't realize who it was
until like in the middle of themovie. But the story was fascinating,
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the things he had to overcome tobe that doctor. He's a neurosurgeon.
That's very impressive. I mean,it was just a fascinating And then then
I looked at my wife and I'mlike, that's Ben Carson. They got
around for the presidency, but hewent through somebody. If you get a
chance, it's I think it's onNetflix. What's it called Healing Hands?
Healing Hands. I'm definitely you werereally Cuba Cuba Gooding Junior place Ben Carson
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at which is a great actor.Yea great actor. And so that Brentson
the medical business a little bit too. You know, he's a nutritionist,
he's a trainer, he helps peoplewith their lives, all kinds of things.
Tell him a little bit about anybodywants to get a hold of you.
He's doing little training now which comesout, comes out and does this
once in a while shamelessly. Sowhat I've been doing this for many,
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many years. My first boss wasa guy named Jack Laine don't know.
He was the first person that gaveme a job as a kid, and
so I got to work with Jackand I learned a lot about nutrition and
exercise from him. And then somewherealong the way, I was able to
win three three Mister Universe competitions andthe Natural the Natural Organization part to the
AAU. And then I also endedup training Navy seals for a period of
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time and FBI and some other collegiateathletes and things. So I've had a
very peppered career for that area.But the one that I had that I
liked about that was I got towork with a rite of people and I
wanted them to be healthy and tobe better. That was all I ever
wanted to do. So I periodicallythree months out of the year I come
back out of the media thing,and I go back and doing that because
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I get requests every day still forpeople. He helps their minds too,
not just the body. It's allconnected, all connected, as we age.
It's the best medicine out there.Why are you looking at me when
you're saying that, doctor, I'mlooking at me. What's the best medicine?
Exercise, nutrition, exercise, that'sthe best thing. So we're all
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going to be exposed to illness,cancers, accidents, but for your ability
to bounce back from those is basedon you know, how well you are,
how well in shape you are,and how well you've been eating.
And so that's the best medicine outthere is to prevent it. When we
have those hits in our lives,being in good shape is the most important
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thing you can do to make yourselflive longer and healthier. All right,
Yeah, before we sign off,let's we got two doctors here. Give
us your tip for viewers. Youcan give us your tip for the viewers
while we go off the air.Tell us something great, what we should
be doing. What you've heard,sleep, sleep, water, wash your
hands, all the basic things.Good exercise. What do you say and
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do you say something like doctor thefuture, we'll deal with exercise nutrition.
It's one hundred percent. Edison saidsomething very similar to that. It's great
to hear your training and keep thatup. It's wonderful. It's my therapy.
It's the thing against me. Andyou look at you both, look
at you. Take care of yourselves. We have a trainer too to keep
us in shape. You look,you look. We do it together.
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Yes, if you need at uplifting, get Directions to a Happy Life on
Amazon. It's a great book.You will love it. And I guess
we're done. I can't believe theshow's over. Give them some good words
before we go, Like you alwaysdo, remember it's not what you findt's
fight a way to be more humanisticto each other. If you see somebody
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that's struggling, maybe with their groceriesat the store, or maybe there's a
long line of cars, and yousee somebody that maybe wants to get in
even one little simple thing every day, just being just try being nice.
We need to get back to beingnice to each other. And uh,
I think that's what made us sospecial before. Thank you very much,
doctors. We appreciate it. Thankyou. We'll See you next Thursday,
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five o'clock on the Bretton Larry Podcastwith IQ Podcasts. Good Night everyone,
good night, good night,
It's a few minutes after five pm, and we're out in Cornado, California,
on the Brett and Larry podcast withIQ Podcasts. We got an amazing
show tonight, folks. I'm sorrywe start a few minutes late. We
got the national people around the countrywatching the show. We got the politicians
in Washington, DC watching the showtonight. It's on the radar screen,
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probably the top podcast in the wholeUnited States today, and we got it
right, Brett, we did well. We got the top guest. Yes,
we wanted to talk about the subjectwhich is very, very important.
We got Kimberly Dixon, doctor KimberlyDixon, and doctor Matt Dixon, who
run the South Bay Urgent Care rightin the middle of all the action down
in Imperial Beach, the bad action. That's correct. Thank you. So
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you guys have been getting a lotof publicity. You made the front page
of the San Diego paper a fewdays ago, and you're right, and
the cutting edge of everything now goingon through the whole Washington, d C,
Coronado Burial Beach. So tell uswhat this headline is that says that
you can really tell the cases arecoinciding with the raw sewage from the Tijuana
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sewage crisis. Well, thank youvery much for having us. And it's
a very important subject for us becausewe live here and our children went to
high school here, and so it'sreally obviously we're well vested in this community.
It's our community, it's where ourpeople are. So yeah, we
started noticing. We've always known that, you know, if people go in
(01:40):
the water when there's contamination, thatthey can get sick. So we've always
seen for years surfers, our Navyseals, our Border patrol, our lifeguards,
or just people walking their dog onthe beach if they were at the
beach when the water was contaminated,people would get sick. There's a doctor.
You want to prevent illness, andthat's the thing that you know,
(02:02):
we would say, hey, payattention, don't go in the water when
it's contaminated. But this last summersomething happened differently. We had this big
tropical storm. So I don't knowif you remember tropical storm Killery, something
that doesn't happen very often in thesummertime around here, but we just got
a massive amount of rain all atonce, and we had a lot of
(02:24):
flooding in the streets. We hada couple other things happened. There was
the boiled water advisory as well asthe Hollister plant broke down. And when
the Hollister plant broke down, therewas twenty thousand gallons of raw sewage on
the streets on the San Diego Citystreets. So it was a perfect storm.
Yeah, it was a perfect storm. And we noticed right after that
(02:46):
we just were overrun with people withgastro intestinal illness. So what does that
mean? Stomach hurts, you're vomitingdiarrhea. So these are those things that
we were just seeing an insane amountfor us, and so we started looking
at that why all these people gettingsick? And the thing that was scary
was these people were not going inthe ocean. It was raining, it
(03:06):
was stormy. Well, so that'swas the big change that really kind of
was the big red flag for us. Yeah, the light bulb went on,
you know, and that's what webecame concerned. And we were we
live in the neighborhoods, we livein the community. We'd be walking around
the walking our dog and our neighborswould say, Oh, I haven't seen
you for a few days. I'vebeen inside, I've had diarrhea, Like
(03:27):
our patients are having diarrhea, ourneighbors are having diarrhea, right right,
So that's when we decided we're goingto take a look and see, you
know, if there's any correlation here. So we started looking in our electronic
medical record and we're able to seethe diagnosis codes and how frequently we use
them. So we just started runningdata to see how frequently we were seeing
(03:47):
cases of diarrhea and nausea and vomiting. And what we noticed is that there
was a correlation with the contaminated withthe contaminated ocean and contaminated sewage running down
in our community. Yeah, sowhen you had the streets were covered in
sewage at Hollister Street, which againis flooding again currently when we have this
(04:11):
last rain, and so whether it'speople are getting it from the ocean or
people are getting it from driving inthe street, or we had the boil
water advisory they had bacteria in thewater system, so they had everybody boil
their water. So is it gettinginto our water system. We don't know
the answer to that, but wedo know that when it rains, people
(04:32):
get sick. We looked at ourdata from last February. If you remember
last winter, we had a bigwet winter, and right after that rain,
we had a big spike same thingof people with gastro intestinal illness,
vomiting, diarrhea, of domino pain, which coincides with the amount of sewage
that's bypassing the plant, the dilapidatedplant, and coming down the river valley
(04:56):
into our community. We said somethinginteresting, which was you noticed that when
there was more sewage coming in,and then earlier you said something about the
clean water system being affected and yousaw it increases of people coming into your
clinics. I wonder if it's stillnot being detected that clean water is being
(05:17):
affected and we're not hearing more aboutthat. You know, that's a great
question, Bobby, crossed your mind, right, It's crossed our mind.
It's crossed ourlind Yeah. And Idon't know if anybody was checking into it
before, right, And who's watchingit right? Well, who's watching it
now? It's a great question.I mean, cal American Water is our
(05:38):
water company and they're the ones thatput out that warning. The question is
is it happening again? I mean, are they having positive tests? I
don't know the answer to that rightnow. But you don't have to be
a medical to doctor to think thator to understand that if there is sewage
on the street, and sewage ina river going through your backyard, and
(05:58):
sewage in the ocean, people aregoing to get sick. We figured this
out centuries ago. The Romans new, you know, separate that stuff.
But we have right now with thelast terrain sewage in our streets. They're
showing pictures of our lifeguards rescuing acoyote or rescuing people in this sewage water,
and these people are being exposed tothis illness. Now, one of
(06:21):
the big challenges is so we haveflooding of our streets of sewage contaminated water.
Well, people drive through that.Now you drive your car through that,
and then you pull into your drivewayor into your garage. Now you
have sewage in your house, oryou walk through it. Now you walk
through the sewage and you go insideand you take your shoes off, and
(06:44):
you then go make dinner, youwash your hands because you're not thinking that
there's sewage there. And so nowyou're spreading that illness. And there's kids
that walk through that sewage water andthey go to school, and they touch
their feet and then they touch theirdesk, probably put their hands in their
mouth, get their hands in theirmouths. Again, this isn't rocket science.
I mean, this is just basicunderstanding of infectious disease. So we
(07:06):
have a way for to spread thisdisease. And it's happening here every time
it rains. We take our shoesoff every time though, just you know,
because of that, because we're walkingthrough all edged helf. You're smart,
it's very well. Like you justmentioned. The other thing I'm gonna
ask is in Coronado, I knowprobably twenty friends of mine who have a
cough they can't get rid of.I think it has anything to do with
(07:27):
that. I mean, it's justlike this little thing that they just can't
get rid of. And a lotof them live right on the water right
well. And they did the studyout of scripts with doctor Kim Prother that
shows that the bacteria may be aerosolized. But I don't think anybody's looked further
into the correlation. I think shemay be doing more research, you know,
So yeah, that's what I don'tknow if you're aware of that,
(07:48):
Kim Pratt. I know where I'mat UCSD. She's put these sensors up
and she looks for DNA of thebacteria in the air. And so this
is the one we were talking aboutearlier. This is something front. This
is the same thing. And sothey'll actually have the same DNA of the
bacteria in the water. It's thesame one that's in the air. So
from the sewage. From the sewage. Yeah, and so now that is
(08:09):
getting into there. So that's agreat question. And I'll tell you a
personal note is I know when Ihave asthma, and I know when the
water quality is bad because they startto wheeze. I can tell you right
away. And we'll wake up inthe morning and I'll be using mine inhaler
and we go outside and we livein Imperial Beach and smell smells bad,
smells like sewage. I'm using myinhaler guaranteed it's I know ahead of time
(08:33):
before they put the signs up,because I'll be wheezing before they put the
signs up. So is everybody withinan Imperial Beach within two or three blocks
of doce and closing their windows everysingle solitary night. They use air purifiers,
and of people are using air andIt's not just Imperial Beach, it's
everywhere all along that. He says, the spirits smells it down at Shula
(08:56):
Vista, Sanua Sidro National. Socan you imagine how the people feel who
live along the Tijuana River Valley inSanya Cedro where it's raw sewage literally behind
their back fence. I mean,we can smell it up here. They're
right in the epicenter of it.Yeah, So we talk about sewage,
(09:16):
and as we did our film mcdumpShameless Plug, we found that there was
a lot of other things that arenot being detected, like heavy metals,
pharmaceuticals. You elaborate on anything you'veheard, right right. Well, STSU
came out with their white paper recentlyand I think they did address that.
Sum I think there needs to bemore work to look into that. When
(09:39):
you talk about heavy metal exposure andpesticide exposure and all these chemicals, what
I think of is the long termconsequences. In other words, in ten
years, twenty years after all,right, multiple years of exposure, what's
your risk of leukemia, cancers,Alzheimer's. Those are the things in the
back of my mind. And Idon't know that any but he's looking at
(10:00):
it right now. So I hadthis idea, I'm not going to do
it. I had this idea todo another movie, small movie. So
it starts out year twenty fifty andthen it zones in and it shows del
Cornett of Hotel are boarded up,you know, fences all right around the
ocean, nobody goes in it anymore, all kinds of bad stuff. And
it's like a science fiction thing thatif we don't do anything in the next
(10:22):
twenty six years, I mean,it's like Atlantic City, yeah right,
closed up? Yeah yeah, andit was booming at one time. Yeah.
What is the military base on theeast coast that they see camp Camp?
Yeah? You see those commercials,right, I'm wondering if we're going
to be on the one of thesedays in the future. I'm very good
(10:43):
surprised you. I mean, we'reworried that this is the next Flint,
Michigan. Really, that's I mean, that's kind of thing, is these
exposures, and that's truly our biggestconcern is the long term health effects.
We can show people getting diarrhea andgetting gastro intestine. We can check for
bacteria, I can test for that, but I can't tell twenty years from
(11:03):
now if my patients are going toget leukemia, they're going to get dementia
and Alzheimer's, are they going toget other, you know, cancers.
There's no way to show that,and that's a twenty year process. So
that's the biggest fear I think wehave now is the long term effects of
all these people that live right Imean there's two hundred thousand people that live
(11:24):
right down at least seven hundred andfifty thousand in South Bay and that's just
our side of the border. Yeah, what about all the people in Mexico
that are being exposed as well?So three million people in Tijuana or whatever.
It's a really big concern. Solet me ask you something, which
it just baffles me because I'm inreal estate sort of too. I invest
in stuff, and everybody's concerned aboutreal estate. Here's what I can't understand.
(11:46):
Prices. Everyone went down two centsin Imperial Beach, yet not a
penny keeps going up. Actually,and in they're building. You see by
the period I gain, all theguys are out there that they're building every
what the heck? When what isit going to take before it starts there,
because if it starts an Imperial Beach, then we'll move down to corn
Now, so that'll be the firstsign for people live in corn Now when
it starts there. Why is thereno panic at all? I mean or
(12:09):
from real estate standpoint, you know, I don't think people realize the consequences
of it truly. We're going abouttheir day on their cell phones, learn
about the kids, their jobs.Right Well, it's like the water's dirty,
it's okay when it inconveniences them enough. Maybe. And I also think
(12:30):
that the health consequences from it areflying under the radar. So we know
we have an open, open sewersystem running into our community with chemicals in
it, but people are ignoring it. When the CDC comes in here and
says, yeah, there's a problem, I think that's probably when we'll start
to see some action. But rightnow it's flying under the radar. Nobody's
(12:50):
recognizing it. Well. Our exCongressman Brian barrel Bay says it's going to
take some people dying right before ithits the radar screen, which is really
sad thought. It's unfortunate. Yeah, and people may may have been affected
already because right now the health departmentlooks at hospitalizations, our visits, the
certificates to try to find out ifthere's any effect from the sewage. A
(13:11):
lot of the patients that we see, they aren't sick enough to be in
the hospital, So are we missingit right? Right? Right? We
actually started to do some studies testingon people's stools what organisms are we really
and we're seeing things like equal I, Shigella campbell of actor. These are
all wow, very bad organism.Never I've never heard of it. It's
(13:33):
not one hopefully you will never haveto where where is it from. It's
in it, it's in sewage,it's in stool, so somebody, it's
spread through, so people touch somebodythat's contaminated. So you guys are doing
this on your own. Yeah,we're trying to crow a database to show
that these organisms are are present.Now. The good news is that only
(13:54):
a small percentages are the very badones things that like there's equal that comes
in many forms. There's very badones, and there's ones that aren't so
bad, sons that are deadly andsome that aren't so deadly. But we
are seeing the ones that can bedeadly, and that's the part that we
worry about is if you're young,you're healthy, and you get exposed to
(14:16):
one of these deadly or more dangerousorganisms, you'll fight it off. But
if you're very young or very old, or say you're compromise because you're going
through cancer, sure, then that'sgoing to kill people. So it's there
that those organisms are in our community. It's kind of silent, it's kind
of yeah, it's going under theradar. Well, you know, once
we realize what was going on inAugust, we kind of we started flying
(14:39):
the red flag and saying something's goingon, and we talked to the health
department. We got their attention.So now they're starting to look at it
a little differently and they're collaborating withus. And I feel lucky that they're
there in the clinic and they're payingattention and they're interested, and they're starting
to talk to our patients and diga little deeper, which is what needs
to be done. How can youlive in a city, each city and
(15:00):
the beach is closed seven hundred straightdays. We've been closed a lot now
on corner, how can I mean, it's like, what, how could
it not be going off on thesepeople's minds yet? Right? And it
wasn't like that eight years ago wemoved eight nine years ago, it wasn't
wasn't like that. It was anoccasional closure. Now it's it's consistent.
So we've been hearing more. Ithink the timing of everything it's always been
(15:24):
going on. Our movie seemed toaffect people because they saw visual stuff that
maybe they hadn't seen before, maybesomethings you already were aware of. And
it's amazing how many people in townthat when we were making the movie didn't
know about the sewage coming into theocean here and they lived here. Isn't
(15:46):
that crazy? Yeah, we enjoyedDog Beach in Coronado. Yeah are you
still going or no? Well,we do go, but when we go,
the signs are up and there's justlike your movie showed. There's kids
playing in the water, just dougs, all front dogs frolicking and you know,
we went down to look at theship that's uh, you know that
(16:06):
shipwreck that exposed the other day cameout. Yeah, we went out down
there was great, we got tosee it and there's just everybody with their
families playing in the water and rightthere it's a big sign that's contaminated water,
and so it's it's scar Yeah hereit is. So one of the
best lines in the movie. YouBret says, who's policing the ocean?
Who's policing it? Who? There'snobody. I mean, there's nobody there.
(16:30):
And the tourists they don't know anything. They just cut in their cars.
And what I don't understand is whythe Port of San Diego, because
they kind of like are supposed tobe involved with that whole thing, right,
Why aren't they more? Why aren'tthey police? Why do they Why
did they come up with the newforce or police force of some kind of
police idea, great idea, thegreat question. Have you have you talked
(16:52):
to anybody? I like it?I mean I think that, Yeah,
it's a very good idea. Youknow, we hadn't talked to anybody about
that specific issue, but somebody wehaven't reached out to the city a couple
times to try to get them topolice, if you'd like to say,
the streets. So when we havesewage on the streets that people are driving
through in Sanya Sidro, they postsigns that say flooded and there's mud thick
(17:15):
mud ankleheim mud that's not just mud, it's sewage contaminated mud. And so
we've asked them to post signs thatsay sewage contamination so that you're aware when
you drive your car through there,you walk through there, you ride your
horse through there, you ride yourbike through there, that you're you're you're
walking in boop, so to speak, right, And nobody's policing that either.
(17:37):
And that's part of the frustration withthis whole thing is there's a lot
of finger pointing but no action,I know, eighty eight years. So
we're hoping that our movie is nowis being used as a tool in Washington,
DC because John Duncan, Congressman Peters, and may Or Bailey went down
or knocking on doors trying to getvotes and get the extra three hundred and
ten million. Nobody even know whatthey're talking about. We put our movie
(18:00):
up on YouTube and now the wholeworld can see it, and they're using
it as a tool for the politicians. One of my people at the Shores
is showing it to our congressman inColorado, another one showing it to their
congressman in Montana. So like that, we're hoping tonight that this podcast right
now will become a tool because theygave a lot of great information tonight.
(18:21):
We would I mean, we don'twant to get into beating a dead horse
sort of say, but we wouldlove for you to come on periodically,
yeah, and give us the informationbecause I think we need to find a
way too. You said think yousaid earlier that nobody's nobody's really enforcing things
right you're going are just happening still. So I like the idea of a
(18:45):
police force for the ocean in ourarea really good, right, idea?
If the water is not good enoughto swim, and why can't you fish
on a dock or why can't yougo in the water when the signs rip?
That should be a ticket, Ithink, and our life guard wards
are sacrificing their own health, right, Yeah, I'm very concerned about our
lifeguards when you see it with thisrain. They're they're saving people that they're
(19:08):
being exposed in our kids and everything. What about our navy the way the
world is right now with wars goingon, things happening. What happens if
we need to get our navy sealsready for a situation and we are not
able to because they're not allowed togo in the water or for whatever the
reason. So we've been trying forsix months to get somebody from the Navy
(19:30):
Seals that's high up, retired orwhat are active to say Tijuana sewitch is
hurting the readiness in the training ofthe Navy Seals one sentence. They can't
get anybody to say it. Goodquestion. I think maybe the reason they
don't want to say it is becausethey're afraid to open up a door of
blawsuits. That's crue very true.True, good point, good point.
(19:55):
Yeah, Okay, Well, Ihope all our local politicians and nash politicians
in Washington, d C. Seethis. We're going to get it out
to them, right, Sarah,We're going to put this all over the
world because it's a lot of informationthat is really great. They're going to
come on occasionally on our show becausewe're every Thursday night at five o'clock,
and we we we hate to havesad topics, but our hearts were so
(20:19):
passionate about all of us that wegot to do this. But now we
are going to switch into some morefun stuff. So what did you guys
think of a Super Bowl? Hehad He's got a prediction. What was
happening. You're working, right,actually watch it was not working. We
(20:41):
had Super Bowl Sunday off, soit was good. Oh right, we
said they probably didn't see it.They're working at Yeah, we do work
a lot. But we did getto watch Super bowls. That was a
great game. Did your team win? No? Yeah? So anyway,
also yeah, also one other thing, this might be our next project.
(21:03):
We mentioned it a little bit lasttime. So We Are the World documentary
on Netflix. Did you see it? You know the song? Right,
we Are the World? So theydid a documentary. It's spectacular about the
night, how amazing it was.So we may do a project Brett and
Sarah and myself where we get thelocal people and Cornado entertainers to recreate that
night, everybody plays a different personand put it up on YouTube. I'm
(21:26):
trying to get the rights now fromLionel Richie and Michael Jackson because they wrote
the song, and if we do, we're going to do it, which
would be really great. Then wethink that actually a lot of cities we're
trying to start recreating it with theirlocal entertainers. So we're working on that
a little bit. So fantastic,like we got fun stuff we're doing.
I love it. I love it. This sounds at a little self serving,
but I would love to see thatsong with those individuals at our educator's
(21:49):
event on stage. Oh yeah,if they turn us down. He came
up the idea, Well, wecreated on the stage that night, but
we'll have to get some of thepeople to learn their life and stuff.
But you know, well you havethe words on there, you know,
like we did the John Lennon song. Yeah, that was great, we
could do that. I really enjoyedthat we could do one of the questions,
you can ask them how the Pottersare going to do? No?
(22:10):
Oh yeah? So uh February twentysecond, Padre is playing the Dodgers first
spring training game. Are you guysPatrick fans? We are Patters fans?
Okay, definitely we are we going? I don't know it's in Arizona.
I don't think we do the podcastover there? Interviews? Maybe? Yeah?
Maybe? So? Do you guyswatch movies some We don't have a
(22:30):
lot of free timere pretty busy?Okay, Well, I gave a couple
of last week, but I watcheda brand new one called My All American
on Netflix. Unbelievable story and Iwant to give away any of it,
but about a football player at theUniversity of Texas. Oh my god,
true story. If you get achance to watch it, unbelievable. We
needed a new one to watch,really uplifting and great. So I saw
(22:53):
one with Sarah and I didn't inmy aunt and I walked in from meeting,
and of course I get intore watchingmovie Ben Carson. Oh, yes,
that movie for President, right andfor President. But here's the thing,
I didn't know it was the same. I didn't realize who it was
until like in the middle of themovie. But the story was fascinating,
(23:15):
the things he had to overcome tobe that doctor. He's a neurosurgeon.
That's very impressive. I mean,it was just a fascinating And then then
I looked at my wife and I'mlike, that's Ben Carson. They got
around for the presidency, but hewent through somebody. If you get a
chance, it's I think it's onNetflix. What's it called Healing Hands?
Healing Hands. I'm definitely you werereally Cuba Cuba Gooding Junior place Ben Carson
(23:41):
at which is a great actor.Yea great actor. And so that Brentson
the medical business a little bit too. You know, he's a nutritionist,
he's a trainer, he helps peoplewith their lives, all kinds of things.
Tell him a little bit about anybodywants to get a hold of you.
He's doing little training now which comesout, comes out and does this
once in a while shamelessly. Sowhat I've been doing this for many,
(24:02):
many years. My first boss wasa guy named Jack Laine don't know.
He was the first person that gaveme a job as a kid, and
so I got to work with Jackand I learned a lot about nutrition and
exercise from him. And then somewherealong the way, I was able to
win three three Mister Universe competitions andthe Natural the Natural Organization part to the
AAU. And then I also endedup training Navy seals for a period of
(24:26):
time and FBI and some other collegiateathletes and things. So I've had a
very peppered career for that area.But the one that I had that I
liked about that was I got towork with a rite of people and I
wanted them to be healthy and tobe better. That was all I ever
wanted to do. So I periodicallythree months out of the year I come
back out of the media thing,and I go back and doing that because
(24:49):
I get requests every day still forpeople. He helps their minds too,
not just the body. It's allconnected, all connected, as we age.
It's the best medicine out there.Why are you looking at me when
you're saying that, doctor, I'mlooking at me. What's the best medicine?
Exercise, nutrition, exercise, that'sthe best thing. So we're all
(25:10):
going to be exposed to illness,cancers, accidents, but for your ability
to bounce back from those is basedon you know, how well you are,
how well in shape you are,and how well you've been eating.
And so that's the best medicine outthere is to prevent it. When we
have those hits in our lives,being in good shape is the most important
(25:30):
thing you can do to make yourselflive longer and healthier. All right,
Yeah, before we sign off,let's we got two doctors here. Give
us your tip for viewers. Youcan give us your tip for the viewers
while we go off the air.Tell us something great, what we should
be doing. What you've heard,sleep, sleep, water, wash your
hands, all the basic things.Good exercise. What do you say and
(25:56):
do you say something like doctor thefuture, we'll deal with exercise nutrition.
It's one hundred percent. Edison saidsomething very similar to that. It's great
to hear your training and keep thatup. It's wonderful. It's my therapy.
It's the thing against me. Andyou look at you both, look
at you. Take care of yourselves. We have a trainer too to keep
us in shape. You look,you look. We do it together.
(26:19):
Yes, if you need at uplifting, get Directions to a Happy Life on
Amazon. It's a great book.You will love it. And I guess
we're done. I can't believe theshow's over. Give them some good words
before we go, Like you alwaysdo, remember it's not what you findt's
fight a way to be more humanisticto each other. If you see somebody
(26:41):
that's struggling, maybe with their groceriesat the store, or maybe there's a
long line of cars, and yousee somebody that maybe wants to get in
even one little simple thing every day, just being just try being nice.
We need to get back to beingnice to each other. And uh,
I think that's what made us sospecial before. Thank you very much,
doctors. We appreciate it. Thankyou. We'll See you next Thursday,
(27:03):
five o'clock on the Bretton Larry Podcastwith IQ Podcasts. Good Night everyone,
good night, good night,
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