288: To Prince B Things As Always

In this episode, Professor Mouse, the Cosmologist, and Prince B sit down IRL and have a laugh. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time. It's like a clown. No nose is a little page.
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maze story tellers. We some fellas, we some felons.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Isn't amazing, It's like appella bearver sell it because this
shit is so contagious.

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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another version of Is It's Just Bad?
Is It's Just Bad? The best podcast you never heard
of him? Your host Professor Mouse, joined as always by
to see Cosmologists, and as sometimes by Prince V.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
We're live in the studio. I have been released from
the phantom zone.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
We general'sot over here.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
The last time we did it live, Well, it's never live.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
It's always lives.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Like some sort of Frankenstein monster.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Last time we did it in person was maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Last time we did it and the two of us
recorded in person. We were talking about uh Blade. We
were talking about the Marvel No, we were talking about
the new Blade that still hasn't happened. It was the
guy Kevin Fagey was handing out baseball caps at a
convention of like the movies. Yeah, just as Marshall Lee.

(01:32):
And that is how long again being stuck in the
phantom zone. Time has no meaning.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
So you know also also living in this country, time
has no meaning because what do I always say when
it comes to politics and other stuff? Nothing changes but
the weather, So.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
You don't always say that. I do say that, And
I think listeners have become like kind of familiar on.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
The podcast, but I've said it in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
People have become somewhat familiar with Prince B. But one
of the things that Prince B is great at his
self mythologizing and saying, you know what I always say
and then saying something brand new for the first.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
For a man who until today had never heard the
word drogger. Prince B would make a perfect Scandinavian family
saga character of the way he mythologizes and turns him.
You know that the Big Broader than Life has slain giants.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Giants. In my defense, I did not know that Hamlet
was originally a Nordic mythology story before Shakespeare got his
hands on it until I saw the Robert Eggers movie
and then I was looking up. I was like, oh
this pre date Shakespeare. Wow. Cool, Wait what the nor.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Gotcha?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
You have to say it like, uh, the bastard, No,
the bastard from that that show written by that guy,
last name Martin, the norh Man.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
What he's talking the Game of Thrones?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yes, and I'm talking about the bastard on that show.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
There's so many but George R.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Martin did it right the show.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
He also didn't write Hamlet, but but but he.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Wrote the books the show is based on. That's what
I met. Okay, just sorry, it's just I'm sorry, listeners.
It's jumped from A to Z and I forget to
take you b through. Why that's my fault.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's just amaze, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
We're recording straight from the Labyrinth and.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
In alternate timeline, there's an there's like a comedy sketch
on some show.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Uh where, that's the show.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's the show, is saying the north Man and they
think he wants to go north and he wants to
get tickets to see the Robert Eggers film.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Locked in Amaze with the Minotaur, and that is the
center of Prince P's mind. But it doesn't doesn't look
like anything to me. So we're here, we're all together,
it's it's it's good to be back.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
We missed Teddy. We were supposed to have some D
and D come out. That's not going to happen due
to unforeseen circumstances, so you get this ship instead. There
are several different ideas that we floated. Now we have
Prince B here. I think it's imperative that we talked
about Prince Be's favorite subject eating ass im just kidding

(04:23):
what Okay, it comes out a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Did you did you cook a donkey on the grill?
Did you cook a donkey on the girl? What's going on?
We talk about movies, So movies can be ass sometimes
and how terrible I mean, if.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
We're trying to get inside OUs Isaac, I understand.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
So that that is that is one of the famous
people that I think like tears down all conceptions of
like personal subjective attractiveness because like he's just objectively like
a gorgeous man. It's like when people talk about like
Angeline Jolie or other famous A lister, you know, insert

(05:06):
your favorite here. But then there's the ones that like
everybody's like, oh, yeah, they don't do it for me.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
But that's a that's a that's what I would be
happy to insert my favorite into ascar as. I guess
I agree, But.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Also the favorite is a good movie. I saw that
in theaters your Ghosts. This is stream of Consciousness. The
you mentioned Angelina Jolie. Angelina Jolie played Laura Croft. Sophie
Turner cast to play Laura Croft.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, I am not the last Laura Croft. News I
had was Hailey att while doing the voice work, and
I figured that if they were going to do the
sort of like extended universe, the big deal now is
trying to like have the crossover of have the same
person do voice work and do live action. And Hailey
A Well has like been all in on becoming an
action star and mission impossible. I mean she's done a

(05:54):
lot of physical training for those things, and she's so
British one of my speaking of favorite actors or actors
who like tears down all conception sexuality. She's just beautiful
and wonderful and really really really strong performer and also
one of the few who, unlike talking about her castmates

(06:16):
in Mission Impossible, can make that transition from stage to
screen in a way that like Vanessa Kirby is struggling.
So she did a Netflix the Netflix cartoon Haley attL
was doing voice work for. It makes sense to me
if they're trying to base the next live action Laura

(06:37):
Craft on like the reboot video games, which are very
much origin story and have like a younger Laura Craft,
why you would go for somebody younger. But Sophie Turner
is bad.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's bad.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm glad because Maul just brought this up, because that's
not mom.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Mam might have brought this up in some conversation we
were having with her. There there's there's Mam would be
happy to talk about Haley. I.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I don't know how what the recent uh updates are
for production, but when it comes to Lara Croft tomb Raider,
there's again, are they trying to streamline it all with
one actor across different media, because there's live acts.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
Where are you going with this? What was mal A
telling you about?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
And there's also video games like so like, yeah, are
they trying to get Sophie Turner? Is it for all?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah? But what did mal tell?

Speaker 4 (07:36):
And you've never had a conversation about Lawera Croft with
my spouse?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, I'm no, I I think I said the wrong.
Oh you're talking about what? Oh you're talking about what cause? Okay,
the cosmic So you've probably just heard that.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Okay, fascinating.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh wait, you're you're responding to what about got it?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Sophy Turner? Different versions of lore Croft, different iterations of
the video game, which, yeah they did?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Okay, So Angelina Jolie did the first one.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Delicship Canner movie.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Did I didn't see that? It was decent second live action?
So they want a wiry.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Small which is very much what she looks like in
the reboot.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
To be to I mean, because if you're rating to get.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
You're too busy breasting booble and get stuck, like like.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
With the with the PlayStation one graphics, the polygons, the okay,
I mean the problem with her is that she's a
bad actor.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
I think that a lot of people from Game of
Thrones got like a sort of oversize.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, they got overexposed, they got I mean we see
this with the kid Harrington. They tried to put him
in everything, and he's just he's okay, Hey, he's just
kind of good. But like he is just a British
Chris basically, yeah, like one of the many chris Is.
They're all fine, right, but I mean good for Peter Dinklage,

(09:12):
he was already famous and already doing things.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, we like Liam Liam.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Cunningham, but you know, character actor extraordinaire. I can't think
of anybody else from that show who's like good.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
But he's gonna say. Side note, if you haven't seen
Last Wargs the Meter, check it out. It's pretty good
because me and cosmologists were talking about this before we
started recording, as like a version of Dracula you don't
usually see because it focuses on one specific part of
the novel.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
But but here's cunning here's the doll. If you're gonna cast, like,
just to think about if you were going to cast
a Shakespeare play, if you're gonna cast Macbeth, Liam Cunningham
might be ross. You know what I mean. If you're
gonna cast McBeth, you're gonna havest Sophie Turner in it.

(10:01):
Studios want her to play Lady Macbeth when she is
the witch that says the list.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
This is the kind of mistake I would have made
in college of casting her as Lady. Yeah, but she
doesn't have the gravitas for it. And Laura Croft is
a not to get too deep in a Laura Croft mythology,
but I mean, yeah, interesting character in you know this
sort of like the posh background. There's a lot of

(10:30):
sort of like you know, the Indiana Jones flair to her.
She's classy and has a sort of an interesting like
can play in both worlds of like she's coming from money,
she's but she's also like gets down and dirty in
the tombs. And I don't think that Sophie Turner has
the range to do all of those interesting things to

(10:54):
give Laura Croft depth of characterization. Alicia Vickender did like
she was really good in that movie. I don't know
if she she had her sort of like spike of
X Machine and everything for a little while. Yeah, I
guess she got thrown to the Wayside, but I don't
know why.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
It was like an Olga Carilinko situation where there was like,
it's like a European actress comes in, has a couple
of good movies and then, uh, you realize that there
are just so many other talented, uh, particularly American actresses
that can fail those shoes. It's like because the the

(11:36):
thing about actresses is they age so quickly, and so
why would you ever cast Alicia vacandor if like Rebecca
Ferguson is available and there are so few parts too
that it's like you either get round. Olga Kilinko was
one of the like the hottest stars for a long time,
and she's playing the eighth lead and Thunderbolts.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
And I guarantee this this is what Haley Atwell is
contending with also because she is so good, so incredibly talented,
and he's already fighting probably being seen as ancient in
Hollywood eyes, which is insane.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Shylee Woodley's last couple of roles has been a like
a mom, but not like not like in Big Little
Lies where she was playing a young mother, but like
a straight up like a fucking nonah in Ferrari that's
so crazy. And she's like thirty in her early thirties
or some shit like that. It's like Alicia vikandor has

(12:35):
to start playing moms, he said. Shaleene Woodley Chaleen Woodley, Okay,
I'm sorry if.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
I butchered that. Yeah, and she still looks like she's
like she look young, early mid twenties, like college grad
school age.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah. Did you see Ferrari? No, you mean no? I
the Michael Mann movie.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Oh, Adam Driver. No, the one with Adam Dry.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, it's Adam Driver.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
He plays iss that. I want to see it because
I do like Michael Mann's movies generally speaking. In Adam
Driver is always uh fun to watch, But I missed
that one.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
We were having a conversation about so in the car
driving up here, talking about adaptations of Frankenstein and the
basilicarly the creature and the you know, the Boris Karloff
inspired green bolts in the neck, square looking versus the
What's so important about that character characterization in the original

(13:32):
novel is the gothic interplay between he's almost hot, the
creature like raven black hair, beautiful features, but also misshapen
and oversized, and this like if you look at him
kind of a couple of degrees to the left, he'd
be attractive. But that's what's scary about him is it's
the interplay. Adam Driver perfect creature casting, oh, because he's

(13:54):
so weird looking.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Looks like, so if you're casting your version of Frankenstein
Adam Drivers.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
This is it's actually Mall's idea, and I think it's
a brilliant casting. Tall, lanky, can also get jacked and
thick and so like could play the sort of if
you're if you're not going to cast a professional wrestler
to play the creature. It's that same kind of like,
you know, Adam Copeland would be a reason if you

(14:22):
kept his hair along and dyted black, would be a
reasonable creature. He's got this like weird. I can see
the chin, and he's a good actor, but that kind
of like almost pretty but large and a little bit
strange looking. Adam Driver would make a great creature and
also so good at melodron.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, what's the last live action representation of the creature? Jeez,
it's not Van Helsig. That's only what I can think.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Of, Okay, but there's gotta be a more reason.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
There's a twenty sixteen like modern adaptation with some guy
in a Then they also had the It was a
stage production in London that they recorded where they got
uh bennettcumber Patch and the guy who plays Sherlock in
Elementary and the two of them. This is about about
ten years ago now. They switched roles, so one night

(15:18):
one of them played Victor, the other played the creature.
Then they flopped and then the other and so they
go back and forth and back and forth. That's like
the one of the more well known recent adaptations. I
imagine he's popped up since then. So Del Toro's coming.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Wait, we can we can get this on the recording,
Munch just shifted around Munchie my daughter and put her
butt straight up.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
In the air, face planted, face.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Planted, but in the air.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Goo.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
But Benicio was supposed to play in.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
No Sorry, so Garma's adaptations Delta Directeah. And this is
interesting because Andrew Garfield was gonna be the creature and.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
We're forgetting about the dark Universe though.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well I'm getting to that because this is it. Well,
because this is one of the reasons that the movie
hasn't come out yet until now, is that Gueromo has
wanted to do a Frankenson adaptation for decades and has
chickened out because the book's one of his favorites, and
so he's like constantly like trying to get it just right.
He actually spoke about the script that evolved into Kenneth

(16:33):
Brona's Frankenstein was to his mind, one of the better adaptations,
and then Bronna got weird with it and the first
I don't know, have you seen the Brana Frankenstein with
the de Niro.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
De Nero plays the creature. It came on the nineties.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Wait is one of the very few adaptations of Frankenstein
that actually includes the Arctic frame narrative, which I think
is really important to a solid adaptation because speaking of
the Gothic and it's it's a good piece that often
gets ignored for other budgetary reasons or people think it's
too complicated. So it has that in the first half
of the film is pretty close, and then it goes
off the deep end and starts to lean on the

(17:12):
universal pomp and circumstance and big bullshit, and he wants
to give Hele and bottom Carter something cool to do,
so it's much more like Universal Bride of Frankenstein or
Franken Hooker. Well it resurrects on the bottom carter as
as sex objects or it's not great, so it goes
off the deep end. But that script apparently was much

(17:32):
more faithful. Del Toro was really excited about it, and
he's been trying to make this movie for years and
it got scrapped because of the Dark Universe. There's no
Frankenstein that ever actually showed up in that though. I
think the Benicio was.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
That's why I preached it.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, and nothing ever came of.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
It, but was fantastic, but also like probably just studio
wishful thinking that never materialized.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
So the first trailer for Gierolmo's Frankenstein is part of
his deal with Netflix has dropped. It's got the arct
frame narrative. He's I think it's probably he cannot help himself,
but probably lean in on iconography from the Universal movies,
even though they are totally separate from the book. I'm
hoping it'll have enough of the book to feel faithful.

(18:20):
But Andrew Garfield was going to be the creature, but
that got delayed because the writers strike and he had
other projects and So now Jacob Elordi is the creature,
and Alordy I think is a decent choice because he
is also sort of pretty depending on how you look
at him, but might also be like weird looking. But
if they give him like a long raven haired wig,

(18:41):
or get him to grow his hair out and put
some scars on him, he can do the sort of
like mythical like a little bit too large that Andrew Garfield.
They'd have to like put him in prosthetics more so.
Garfield is of course the better actor, but he's tiny
and wiry and doesn't fit the like average.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Jacob is quite tall, so they would have to put
some boots or something on him to give him some
more height.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
I'd still prefer because I Andrew Garfield and Oscar Isaac
like having the two of them and like a bizarre
dead relationships handsomes. It would have been fantastic. But Larnie
I think will be okay.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
So the Dark Universe photo has three actors. Hold on,
wait a second, let me just tell you who they
all are and who we know was playing who. So
it has Russell Crowe who played Doctor Jekyll and mister
Hyde and as Nick Fiery as Nick Fury as Tom Cruise,
who played Tom Cruise, I mean Tom Cruise and Sophia Boutello,

(19:41):
both of whom played the Mummy. Right, Sophia Boutell was
the first Mummy and then Tom Cruise ended up becoming.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
The Mummy, the get host of the Mummy Powers.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah. They had Johnny Depp who was almost certainly Dracula.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I thought he's gonna be invisible man.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah, I heard it again. Uh, none of this actually materialized.
A lot of this was fan casting, but also studio.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Exactly makes more Sensus Jacqueline.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
The only ones that was confirmed was Russell Crowe because
he's in the movie that did really badly commercial.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
No.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
No, three of them were confirmed because three of them
were and there was also a did you see the Mummy?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
No I didn't see it. Oh well, Tom Cruise, I
know that Russell Crowe is in it as doctor Jack.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Mister Tom Cruise is in it as a guy who's
exploring the original Mummy and then he becomes the Mummy.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
So I meant one of of of the other like
monster character.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Now, the movie that came out that wasn't directly tied
to this, but I thought they were gonna fold in
was the luke Evans Dracula Untold, but also Shape of Water, well,
Shape of Water was was another one of these was
gonna be folded in. And then once this fell apart,
Del Toro is like, I'm just doing my own.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Javier Bardem, I believe, what else would you cast him in.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Other than the creature that's got to be? The creature
that's got to be, because probably not Dracula. Again, I
thought Luke Evans and also Christopher Chance Dance what is
his name? Also from Game of Thrones, Charles Dance. He's
in it in in the luke Evans Dracula Untold an
additional event.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I didn't know that was tied in. That makes sense.
It was going to be like.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
I think it was before the Tom Cruise. Bummy it
was and did it.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
But it ends in the present day. It's mostly a
period piece. They like flip forward to the present day
at the very end, yea and to kind of like
the way Galgadotes Wonder Woman shows up randomly, and like
that was going to be like the okay we're going
to take I think at the end Luke Evans is
hunting dance or something, and they're both they are going

(21:48):
to be warring vampires. So I think that they had
this been successful that was going to get folded.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
In, they should just reboot it and then give del
Toro the reins to make just do it all the.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Dark camera, Kevin Figy.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Well, Tom Cruise needs something to do because the Final
Reckoning is the last Mission Impossible movie, and actually he
didn't do well, so it's gonna be the last one.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Ghost protocol or whatever, because I get I get Mission
Impossible names and call of duty names.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, so here's what you're thinking of. So there was
a period, there was a moment in which, and this
happened in two franchises, Jeremy Renner was going to come
in be Jason Boord and also be Ethan Hunt's replacement. Yes,
in both cases it failed because in one case they
actually did the movie with Jeremy Renner and the board
whatever and it sucked. And the other case, Tom Cruise

(22:42):
came back to play Ethan Hunt after some time and
realized that he wanted to climb the Birch Khalifa and
jump out of fucking all that shit, and so he
was like Jerry maryn to get the fuck out of here,
So it was it was gonna be like a not
an end, but an end to Tom Cruise, and then
he kept playing him and then the real death blow

(23:05):
was Dead Reckoning came out, was going to save movies, didn't, uh,
top Gun Maverick did that, So Tom Cruise did it
through this other way.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Go ahead, and then.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
The it was supposed to be Dead Reckoning Part one,
Dead Reckoning Part two, Dead Reckoning Part one comes out flops.
They go, Okay, we have to cut our losses because
they're they're doing that thing where they shoot him back.
They're they're shooting them all at the same time. In
the middle of COVID, this is where his totally not
stage rant about protecting people on set emerges. It leaked

(23:39):
by the Church of Scientology. Then they're like, uh, the
Final Reckoning is going to be Tom Cruise's last entry
in here, and it kind of like a let's put
that out there and see how people feel about it,
like how people feel about how the money turns out,
and the money didn't turn out the way they want
to us.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
What I would love to see is Haley at Well
stars in Mission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Well, they've been trying to do this ship with Bond
like trying to introduce the replacement and then have it,
but they just never work.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
Well, she would be the next chance.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
But here, here's here's also something we.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I'm just gonna keep fancasting her. Give her guns and
make her a British person with guns.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Bend it like Beckham too with Hailey at.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Well, let's make British rip off of Punisher but call
it something else and have Haley at well as the
Frank Castle tick.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
But it's funny.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
We should qualify the first of this two part finale
of Mission Impossible. It didn't flop generally speaking, it flopped
for how much they spent on it, because other movies
that cost way less would have been thrilled with that box.
The problem because the budget was so ridiculous, and it's it's.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Like three, no movies should cost as much money.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yes, exactly, dude, dude, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Like But the other thing is like Tom Cruise keeps
trying to save movies by making four hundred million dollar movies.
Anna Belle can say movies. The first Annabelle, I watched
it with my dad. I looked it up. Six million
dollars budget, two hundred and fifty million dollar gross. That
is an incredible multi time return.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Of the mid budget horror movie. Because we've talked many
may well, right, we've talked it many times about there
is no such thing as a mid budget movie anymore.
But I was just reading our article about A twenty
four Neon and movie yea all like jockeying for position
as being the distributors of indie flavored mostly horror, because

(25:35):
that's all anybody makes in indie movies anymore. You can
the only thing you can make, right because nobody wants
to see rom coms, I guess.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
And right now I would argue just generally speaking, A
twenty four Neon are kind of in this current wrestling
as brivalry who's the king of horror right now?

Speaker 4 (25:54):
And A twenty four is also begun abandoning their roots
of like they've got to deal with Max, and they're
trying to do in house productions of their own. They're
not just just just distributors and talent scouts anymore. They're
very much trying to turn their brand into something in
the same way Netflix was like, we'll just start making

(26:15):
our own stuff. And also, like Netflix, that often doesn't
work out.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah, here's another thing that I'm going to put into
the ether that a lot of the general population doesn't know.
And I know you two are smart enough to know.
A twenty four isn't just making movies anymore. They just
launched a music division. I don't know if that means
they're going to release like artists the way major music
labels do, or if they're just releasing final scores of

(26:42):
their films, because they already do that on their website,
but they have a whole division now just H four Music.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I mean, yeah, I think that as you will, but
but that that's gonna bomb. Like when you're good at
one thing, it doesn't make you good at.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
Everything absolute, But we've also seen like sometimes this risk
does pay off. Only time will talk. I want to
go back to you said Annabella's saving movies.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
That was a joke.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
You know who is saving movies? Not joking? But Hollywood's
not gonna take the right lessons from this Godzilla minus one.
I think the budget was fifteen million.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's not Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
I know that's what I'm saying. But Hollywood would look
at that and take the wrong lessons.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
In that they did. They've been making Apple TV Monster Versus.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
But that was already happening before minus one hit the
that's true. That started with the twenty fourteen reboot of
legend from Legendary. But Godzilla minus one for those who
don't know, you guys know this because y'all saw it.
Fifteen million dollar budget, I think, and it made more
than quadruple that in theatrical box office and was I

(27:52):
would argue, the best film of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
That's had a knock on effect. If they're rereleasing Shin
Gadzilla with like a new I don't know it's four
K or something, but you know, the resurgence of interest
in that kind of other.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Perspective the same studio I think relea.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah, and that was that was part of a like
the shin literally meaning new in Japanese. They were doing
like a yeah Shin Ultra Mansion. Godzilla was one other one,
I think, but it was this like let's get some
like weirdo out there anime directors to put a new,
like artsy spin on some of our stale franchises. Yeah,

(28:32):
and as the even Gellian guy who did Shin Godzilla,
which is part of why he has like horrifying mutation
forms in that movie. But yeah, it's cool. I mean this.
I don't know if video Game News the so Marvel
versus Capcom the classic arcade franchise. They did a compilation

(28:54):
release of all the old arcade games and that started
a bunch of rumors about, oh is Marvel versus Capcom
four finally halping. This is a franchise that kind of
died with some of the more recent games, but people
have a lot of love for the old two d ones.
And then Arcsis Systems, Japanese studio responsible for fighters that

(29:14):
are very much inspired by the Marvel versus Capcom formula.
They did a dragon Ball Z game that was very popular.
They've partnered with Marvel to do something called Marvel tolkon
Fighting Souls. Token just means fighting souls, but the reason
that's important is it's incredibly Japanese. So Marvel partnered with
them is like, hey, we like Capcom, but we're not

(29:34):
doing anything with them right now. You take a crack
at this. It's a fighter and it's a tag fighter.
Four v four has a lot of shares a lot
of inspiration from the Marvel versus Capcom formula. They do
their initial pass on character designs, and they're like trying
to adapt American designs, and Marvel goes, no, get weird.
Just do what you want to do, go as Japanese

(29:57):
as possible with it. We want this like the front
from Japan to the World is the tagline, Like we're
even putting a Japanese word in the title, go nuts.
And the Iron Man character design they've just released their
first trailer. He looks like a gun, Like it's fully invested.
This is the most otaku you can get, which is sweet,
and it's like, all right, let's we have perhaps maxed

(30:21):
out on people's interest in American culture or American's interested
in American culture, Like, let's see what we can do
to mine other perspectives, which is sweet.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, there's nothing like a variant costume.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yes, or so sucker savarian costumes. Absolutely, But and this
is also I think you know it was already in development.
But the popularity of Marvel rivals and those character designs,
which are very Japanese and very much like Wifu, and
how popular that is, like let's just lean into there
is an appetite for thick thighs always, but also just

(30:56):
you know, a different spin on these characters, because we're
inundated with and this is you know, thinking about the
last god ten years, the corporate synergy of it, all
of gross taking, taking designs that are made for movies

(31:16):
of the MCU version of this character and then back
poorting them into the comics. Of now that Steve Rogers
looks a certain way, he now has to look like
that in the comics, or Doctor Strange has to look
a very specific way so that people will pick it
up because they they recognizable. It is nice to break

(31:39):
from that and like, you know what, nobody cares about
the MCU character models anymore in these costumes. Let's try
something different, which, you know, even if it is a desperate,
flailing effort to reignite interest. We were talking about this
last week of you know DEI and like getting some
injecting some diversity into just what we're looking at is positive.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Yeah. Yeah, when A twenty four starts making video games,
that's when we know we're cooked. It's over. That's I. So,
on the subject of video games, you said the last
video game you played was several years ago.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Yes, I have a bad habit of every holiday season.
There'll be big discounts on games.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh no, you buy them and don't play it.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
I've been doing this for like five years now. I've
got Yakuza like a Dragon, I've got a Warhammer forty
K game. I've got a bunch of things like I
get like really stoked about buy them at deep discounts,
and then they just sit on the hard drive and
I haven't touched.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
If it makes you feel better, that's more common than
people realize. They get a game and then they have
a backclock that grows to the point where they're like,
I'm never going to catch up.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
With this some of the things. I'm gaming constantly, but
it's all on my phone, you know, addicted to match
the gathering. Yeah, and you know, and and it's got
this like weird hole in my logic of like, well
this I can do on my phone while I'm also
watching Star Trek, and like I can, you know, I
don't feel like I'm hogging the TV, but I'm still gaming.
Like but it like, mall can go read a book,

(33:14):
like do something. It's not that big a deal. I've
created this fake rule for myself. If I can't use
the PlayStation.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
What's the last game you played like for real, not
like for a couple of minutes.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Uh, he started a Metroid.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Right, I'm supposed to be starting it with a friend
of ours. Oh god, this is like a tron pasta.
Like I give him a date, he says, go and
we compete. Who can beat and or complete Metroid Primary
Mastered first.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, he's gonna win.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
And also then the next next Metroid game is going
to come out on the second switch before you ever
do this.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Well, this is probably this is actually something I don't
know about the last game I played old on.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Wait.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Let me ask you this though, just on that of Uh,
you're doing this race, what is your gaming style? Do
you get addicted and then like play NonStop or do
you play like within a reasonable time constraint.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (34:12):
I wish to be honest, I wish I had a
clear cut answer, because like the thing. Okay, so this
this is this is my situation with video games. I
quote unquote retired a few years ago. Not to say
this is like an AA meeting anyway. This isn't to
say like, oh I was the best and I'm going
out on top like certain sports figures only to come
out of retirement. It was just I couldn't keep up

(34:36):
with all of the content and DLC and all the stuff. Yeah,
like the real The last time I actually invested in
video games like that, I bought and played after getting
them from GameStop or whatever the retailer was was probably college,
probably like two twenty eleven, when the Wei was the

(34:57):
current system from Nintendo. I Metroit. Actually I reserved this
is this is just bad financial savvy on my part.
I put the five or ten dollars down to reserve Metroit.
At the other end and got the low collectible art book.
Never picked it up for full purchase. But I still
have the art book somewhere and got the art book,

(35:18):
and I heard that game was bad. I did buy
Donkey Kong Country Returns, never beat it for the Wii.
I did beat the Golden Eye remake that had Daniel
Craig for the Wei. That was twenty ten. So but
so when you're playing, though, when I did play back
in the day, if I had a game, I would
try to get as far as I could, and then

(35:39):
when I'm like, okay, i've been watching the screen for
too many hours, let me take a break and save
it for tomorrow. Or if I can't get past the
Level'll be like all right, I'm taking a break and
I'll come back to it.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
In general, talking like sessions.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, I think the long session would be like three
or four.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
Hours our you know, our roommates, Like I wake up,
he's playing. It might have been Skyrim. I fall let's
fall out, thank you, and go to sleep, and I
wake up again and he's still playing lunch.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Princeby is not that type
of gamer. I I like, when I was a kid,
I would play you know, you know, the the boys
have been mentioned on this podcast Fiend and stuff like that,
Like we would play games kind of a lot as

(36:29):
a remedy to the just boredom of being uh broke teenagers.
And then by the time we got like a little
bit of financial stability, like the like gaming became one
two hours and then I'm board two hours is a

(36:50):
lot an hour is it is, Like, my sweete.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
It's tough because, like I think we are all drawn
to like immersive RPGs and things a story and those
reward long gaming sessions, and so this is the problem.
Many of the games I buy are these like in
I want to get really invested in this, but you
can't make it down now, But then I can't make
it down, and then I'm so I'm bored because I
haven't actually gotten far enough to get hooked in the narrative,

(37:17):
whereas like I can just watch an episode of Star
Trek and get hooked on the narrative and be fine.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
So I take a workmanlike approach to playing video games
because I put a lot of hours into Balder's Gate,
but I did so over a long period.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah, and he was the same with Elden Ring.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, at Eldon Ring for sure. So I will, like,
like when I was writing a book, it takes it
takes a level of commitment and a you should just
have to prostrate yourself for the god of like of patients,
right because it will be like forty five minutes and

(37:55):
that's all you have to do, but you have to
do it every day and you have to be consistent.
And that's the same approach I took to playing video games.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
And this is a really good approach and the same
like exercising. And it is anathema to my thought of
a video games like a leisure activity. Yeah, and like
having to then schedule the leisure activity doesn't feel fun
to me, but it's a reward.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It was like after after day of work, you get
to play boulders Gate for forty five minutes, and I
will tell you, like, for real, I'm running around for
forty minutes and I'm in a fight five minutes and
that's yeah that much. I'm trying to figure out where
to go and shiit like I'm like, but but like

(38:41):
before that, I think I was. I would get hooked
into a game during periods where I didn't have work,
like because I would have like a winter offer, summer off.
That's where I played the Witcher, So the Witcher through
the Wild Hunt. I played that, you know for a couple.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Of hours, Like you're doing long sessions.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I'm doing long sessions with that. But I can't do
that anymore.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
The last thing I actually played any significant amount of
was the re release of Advance Wars. And because those
are like little individual puzzle levels basically, so you can
spend like a half hour do that puzzle of you know,
moving the tanks around, and then be done. That's fine.
And that's the kind of I mean, that's how magic

(39:22):
gets me too. Of like each game's only a couple
of minutes long. But then it's like, you know the
potato potato chip aspect of suddenly I've dumped hours and
hours at a time into that. So yeah, it's it's
about scheduling.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
This is the John Wick a video. Yes, I'm thinking
he's bad.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah, absolutely, when the metroid the switch comes out of
the suitcase buried under concrete in the basement.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
I am sad to say I don't understand that reference
because I haven't seen any of the four john Wick
movies OPF Ballerino, this well, this.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
This is the trailer where I don't even remember.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Everybody keeps asking from back.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, I'm thinking of Back.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I know the premise of the first john Wick. And
I'm a fan of Keanu Wheves like most of the internet.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Bro, I mean you like you. You don't even understand
what kind of excellent Saturday the game.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Bill and Ted.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, you got like a Bill and Ted excellent Saturday
on your hands when you get to watch john Wick
one through.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Full john Wick.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
I saw the first one.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
It was fine, Oh my god, it's so I like
the so it's like a Jackie Chamber.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Yeah, Keanu was like specifically in real life really into
some specific gun training, like competition shooting, and specifically like
this like three gun switching between a handgun, a rifle
and a shotgun or something like medium long short range,
and so a lot of the later John Wick movies
are built around Keanu's real life skills and like this

(41:03):
is a showcase very much like a Jackie Chan like
we are this is partially here to showcase a very
specific kind of fight choreography and gunplay, which is cool
and like as a fight choreography like her Enjoyer, I
think that's neat, But I found the first one to be.
I mean, it's awfully modeling. And then they get more

(41:25):
magically realist as you go, and they start from like
this Punisher idea into a whole extended universe of the
Continental and all of the various hit men. And now
we're in and a Diarmus is additional, like extended universe
the vallery. But whatever, I mean, I'm happy for Keanu, absolutely,

(41:46):
But yeah, I think you're you're gonna break out the
big guns again for Donkey Yong, right, which comes.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Look, I love Mario, I love Zelda.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Big Monkey Man here.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
But my first love of video games, the first video
game I ever owned. I got Super Nintendo for Christmas.
This was ninety five, ninety five. A year after it
came out, I got the Super Nintendo Bundle with Donkey
Kong Country. That was the first video game, not that
I ever played. I'd been to arcades, I've been to

(42:17):
friends and cousins houses who had Second Genesis or Superintendo
or whatever, but that was the first game I owned.
So don Kong Country will always have my heart forever
and ever. Amen, I know what we're saying, Grace, So
I am all in on Donkey Kong, specifically Donkey Kong Country.
So I will be going to the park in Florida

(42:38):
when I go back, when I go to Japan, someday
i'll go to that version. I'll go to the Hollywood
version on the West Coast. And even though this isn't
Donkey Kong Country a name, it's done Kinng Country in
like vibes and I guess some gameplay, but it's called
don Kong Bananza. So I don't think switch to is
now currently out. By the time this podcast is released,

(42:59):
I haven't bought it. I'm gonna wait until that is expensive. Well,
give the price wasn't the thing. It's like, right now,
the only game that is a must have from what
I understand for a lot of people is the new
Mario Kart.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
But the only game that really came out.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
If I'm buying a system, I need at least two
or three games. So if I'm like, Okay, I'm bored
with this one for now, let me take a break,
let me switch genre as oh that was racing. Let
me do like RPG, or let me do fighting or something.
I always like having a variety when I get a
new system. So Metro Prime four has not been dated yet,
so I'm I'm curiously seeing when they released that it's

(43:36):
gonna be this year, but they haven't set a date.
Don Comminanza hit some point in July, like a month
or so after the Switch two hits shelves.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
But the thing about Nintendo, I understand, it's it's way expensive.
Thing about Nintendo, though, is that I bought a Switch
and Mario Kart eight Deluxe or whatever, h five years
ago or something, and I've been playing it for five years.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's like there's a like there's Super Smash Brothers of Brawl. Also,
there's just a level of quality to their games where
they're evergreen, where you can it's like with with PlayStation five,
it's like a very singular system where you play a
game and you play it until you finish it, and

(44:26):
you play it by yourself, usually with the switch, like
I would have a niece's and nephew visitor or yeah,
or or people's friends kids come visit, and you throw
on Mario Kart eight. I've done that. I probably have
more hours on Mario Kart eight than I have a
boulders Gate just because of like the sheer amount of

(44:48):
you're just very familiar with.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yeah, so social, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
You'll have a switch to, you'll have the new Mario Kart,
and you'll play it until twenty thirty probably.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
I think what happened was, if we can go back
a bit, when the we came out, a lot of
people who never played games in their entire life start
picking up the Wei mode. Yeah, we're talking about people
of all ages, whether it was kids, teenagers, adults, senior citizens, whatever.
And I think since then, Nintendo's like we should get
a monopoly on the communal experience that Microsoft and Sony

(45:19):
are trying to do but haven't really.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Nintendo still is one of the few holdouts, and like
couch cop is a thing, that's the matter. And to
be fair, the new Mario Kart is also geared towards
online play, and like the switch to has a like
a microphone built in, and they're trying to do like
easy social like virtual sharing, so people can play online

(45:43):
together quickly. But I think there is something I'm gonna
sound like boomers, I guess, but there is something irreplaceable
about the couch co op sitting around with you, like
that experience of playing with others and having that communal
a lot. Maybe this is where talking about this also
is do gen z folks even like that, like, because

(46:04):
the communal experience we think about with watching movies, putting
it on sitting on the couch talking about it. You
were just telling me your younger relatives are like watching
TV shows on their phone in bed at night alone.
Do we think that that is also how they experience
video games or do they want the sit down on
the couch play together that Nintendo is offering.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I gotta tell you, I don't know any gamers of
the of the people in their late teens or early twenties.
I don't know any gamers. So I actually don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Interesting because like mobile gaming, there's a lot of I mean,
I assume the sort of legal legend style, yeah, like
that stuff. It seems to be what they're into, whether
it's on the phone or online massively multiplayer experiences. Yeah,
and there's definitely communities there, but they're all virtual.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah. Yeah, that's so I don't know. And also I
feel like Nintendo has shied away from that Internet culture
also because of how toxic it is and how much
they're their their their are their market, not their audience.
Like their market is children, and it is profoundly traumatizing

(47:18):
to be a child and then to like enter into
a lobby with like lobby and hear just everyone saying
the N word like that is I remember. I remember
hearing that when I was a kid over a friend's
house who had high speed internet once and being like
this is bad.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I am.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
I use my Xbox One almost exclusively as a media player,
like just yeah, and every time I boot it up
to play something off a hard drive. It's got a
little note about like be nice online basically as like
treat treat others as you would like to be treated.
Here's rules and guidelines for the online chat experience report.

(48:02):
People like the fact that they have had to put like,
you know, diving rules on as just like, yeah, we
expect that this is going to be a horribly toxic experience.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Sorry, oh my god. Yeah, but I mean time flies.
That's that's this episode. And I think, you know, in
keeping in the spirit of our guests, to one wreck
this time, because it's worthy, Prince VI, why don't you

(48:34):
give us a recommendation for a.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Movie, show, a game. Yeah, I remember this from my
last recording.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
It could be anything, and it's just something that you
think that that is important for us and the listeners
to experience. It could be a food, it could be
a recipe, it could be a piece of entertainment.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
And for you just preface it by saying, to one
wreck the time, because it's worthy.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Okay, uh, to one wreck this time because it is worthy.
I wish I had a drink to toast with. Whether
you are a hardcore gamer or have never played a
video game in your life, try, however, whatever whatever means
that is available to you, whether it's online renting, purchasing,

(49:24):
going to a friends house, whatever. Play Donkey Kong Country.
The first one for Super Nintendo. I'm sure Nintendo has
it on their online store for download. If you're into
retro gaming, maybe you find the cartridge online on Amazon
or eBay or something and pick it up. Use whatever
this I'm trying to put my bias aside. But even

(49:45):
if you don't like, you know, uh, fighting crocodile armies
with Donkey Kong doesn't like that, if you don't believe
in the cause of reclaiming your banana horde, the music
alone has elevated way past this is a video game
like certain films and television shows. This is like high

(50:06):
high art. The soundtrack for the don Key Konng Country
trilogy on Superintendent, but especially the second one the most,
but especially the first one that kind of set the
template of like, there are people who've never played a
single level of Donkey Kong Country, and when you play
Aquatic Combience, they're just in like a zen like state.
And I remember like hearing that for the first time.

(50:30):
I remember playing the game for the first time. It's like,
there are no worse to describe the soundtrack other than
like it's it's a piece of beautiful art that should
be experienced by everybody at some point in their life.
So don kyng country one, specifically for the vibes in
the soundtrack.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Yeah wow, Prince be coming through with a stone called
Evergreen Wreck. We can release this episode at any point
in history. I guess the day before donkey.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, I was gonna say November ninety four, depending on
the date, Yes, before that note.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
All right, that'll do it for this episode of Is
this just bad? We'll see on the next one.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Bye.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
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