Ep. 124- James Byrd Jr.

This week we talk about one of the hardest stories; the death of James Byrd Jr.

James was a black man who was dragged 3 miles behind a truck by 3 white men in Jasper, TX in 1998. It's very heartbreaking so be sure to have a tissue ready.

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Episode Transcript

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Hi, everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode of It's About Damn Crime, where
two best friends get together and talkabout what Justine true gram. There you
go. I'm Britty and I'm Justine. That's Justine. Yes, And if
you are a first time listener,what we do here is that we focus

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primarily on cases featuring people of color. We do have dark senses of humor.
We do like to make inappropriate jokes. That's us in a nutshell.
We are not a very serious storytellingpodcast. Um, but I mean this
case is a pretty serious one.You probably throughout this one. Yeah,

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it's a very serious one. There'llprobably be no jokes in this case.
Yeah, just like a lot ofoutrage I feel. Yeah, maybe we'll
be crying. Who knows. Butanyways, before we get started, Um,
is there anything any funny stories?Well, we just did our first
ever live show. We should talkabout that. We should recap that total

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event. Yes we should, um, yes, because we recorded the We
recorded the intro for that prior tothe live show. Yeah, like several
weeks ago. If you guys don'tfollow us on social media, then you
don't know. But me and Brittanywent as the black and white Swan Okay,

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we got dressed up so much.Dude. It's so funny because I
was Ursula for your birthday party andthen I was the Black Swan for this
live show. So when like Halloweenrolled around, I totally forgot it was
Halloween, first of all, andI already felt like I had celebrating Halloween
several thousand times, like, yeah, I didn't need to do it anymore.
That was over it. Um No, it was so much fun.

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Like we're a little bit of hotmesses, like you know, I mean
that's just us happens, um,But I had fun. Did you have
fun? You have so much nervousSo I was, well, we all
know, I was really nervous.Yeah in the beginning, well for the
people that were there. And what'sfunny is that so when we first started

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the live show, I felt myvoice shaking, m h, and you
saw my hand shaking. And butwhen I listened to it back, it
didn't sound shaky at all, No, which was weird. Yeah, which
because I because I know you,like I can hear the discomfort in your
voice, but I don't think itwas like very like uh, like you're

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tripping or that's what it sounded liketo me, like, uh, I
was on a fucking like I wason a wooden roller coaster and shit.
Um but yeah, but it soundedso I was scared to edit it,
yeah, because I was scared tohear myself. But yeah, after hearing
myself, I was like, oh, that's fine. We did have some

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feedback issues, which um it waskind of yeah, kind of we all
kind of got messed up because usually, um, MJ's husband Chris runs the
audio during those live events. Yeah, and he got the flu so he
wasn't there. Yeah, So like, huge shout out to MJ from keeping
it casual because she was doing itall she was hosting and chilly audio set

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up, tear down like she washad on many different hats that night.
She was she was running around yeahyeah, so yeah, big shout out
to her. Yeah, like wecould have never done anything without her.
So yeah, um yeah, butever, I think it was. It
was a lot of fun, Likeit was a good time. So hopefully
we get to do another one,not in Vegas, somewhere else, you

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know, yeah, expand our horizons. We'll see. Maybe they're like they're
listeners that are like I DC Tour, I wish whoa, but I also
work with I work both work fulltime jobs that I don't see that in
one here. But like you said, we will try to do a live

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show, maybe somewhere else outside ofthe state, outside of the next goal
should be to do one here inCalifornia, California because yeah close, and
like I don't know, Yeah,I see. We'll talk to our co
conspirators about that one. Yeah.Um, I think we're the only ones

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that put up the live show.I don't believe Ashley did her a portion
or Brion MJ did theirs J aregoing to wait. Yeah, so when
they do, we'll let you guysknow so you can go check out the
rest of um their shows. Yeah, you know, all right. Um,
I don't think I have anything elsetoo exciting going on. I do

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have something exciting that's going on,but we're not going to talk about it
just yet because it really turned iDC on its head. Ah do I
know about this? Do you do? Oh? Um, so something exciting.
It's happening for me, but we'lltalk about it when it's a for

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sure thing. Um. I thinkthat's it. Yeah, that's it.
I'm bored. I still work alot, and like don't have a life,
so that's cool. Yeah, I'mboring too, I don't I don't
do anything. I have been gettingdrunk every weekend. You have been getting

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drunk every weekend? Yeah, likeI drink last weekend. No, this
weekend, I've been yesterday what I'mtalking about? And I was with you,
Yeah, yeah, I met yesterday. They were all I went to
a birthday party and they're like,let's take a shot. And I was
like no, because I was gettingflashbacks of last weekend h and how horrible
that hangover was. And uh yes, I was like no, But I

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took like a baby shot for thebirthday boy, and just strength minchellattas the
rest of the night. There yougo, that's it. Didn't get drunk.
I felt perfectly fine this morning.Oh nice, that's always the best.
Yeah. You catch like a nicebuzz and then you're able to get
up the next morning and really operate. Yeah exactly. Yeah, all right,

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well enough, Lolly Gallon. Ialways get that wrong, Lollygagon,
Lolly Gallon, I don't know anyways, are you ready get started? Yeah,
let's do it. Okay, warningwarning, this week's story it's gonna

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be extra heartbreaking. And graphic.Justine's gonna cry, which will probably make
me cry, which will then makeall of you cry. I feel like
Justine's cry alone is going to makeyou all cry. Yeah, but uh,
anyway, I'm definitely gonna cry becauseI'm very emotional right now. Yeah,
I might cry. I'm not toosure. I did get terry eye

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when I was researching this case.But before we jump in, we want
to give a quick shout out toour friend Nicole. We'll never ever hear
this shout out because she doesn't listento us. Nope, shame on.
Nicole was not our live show,though she was. She support what it
counts. Yeah, so shout outto Nicole for recommending this case in twenty

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eighteen. By the way, um, and because we we waited so long,
because this story is so devastating,Justine couldn't mentally sit down and write
it out. So we've been pushingit for a whole entire year. There's

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two stories. There was this oneand there's one other one that will be
We're doing it in December, like, I'm just making myself do them at
this point, because yeah, wecan't push them for two years. That's
just crazy. Yeah, and uhyes, I feel like some of you
guys like don't under understand the emotionaltoll doing this type of podcast can be

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sometimes, like what an emotional tollcan take on someone. Yeah, yeah,
especially like when you have stuff happeningin your own life and then it's
like, I don't know, sometimesit's hard, like okay, especially like
this one, because it's like sougly. Yeah, it's like I like
I can't like I knew the thegeneral things about the story, and it

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was just enough to go like,oh, I can't. Yeah, sit
down, it's very dive into that. It's a very hard story to sit
down and talk about, you know. But we're here to fucking do it.
Okay. Yeah, we're finally doingit. We're finally doing it.
Um so let's just dive in andget this potential cryfest started. Yeah,

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let's do it, okay. JamesBird Junior was born on May second,
nineteen forty nine, in Beaumont,Texas, to Stella May and James Bird
Senior. He was the third ofnine kids. So many kids, that's
so many kids. The family wasraised in East Texas in a community called

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Jasper, where they were heavily involvedin their local church. Stella May was
a Sunday school teacher, and JamesSenior was a deacon at the Greater New
Bethel Baptist Church. And as achild, James was also all about that
church life because he sang and playedpiano in the choir. He was very
musically inclined. In nineteen sixty seven, James graduated from Jasper Row High School,

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which also happened to be Jasper Rowe'slast segregated class. Which I feel
like it's kind of late in nineteensixties, right, Like that's not that
will late to the party. Yeah, it's very it's not that far away
nineteen sixty seven. Now, Jameswas an excellent student. He earned excellent
grades, but he ultimately decided notto go to college, unlike his two

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older sisters. Instead, he gotmarried young. He got a job as
a vacuum salesman and started a family. And he had three kids with his
wife, named Renee, Ross andJamie, and I believe they moved away
from Jasper right, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. James

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was not perfect. He struggled withalcoholism and was arrested for petty theft.
He wound up spending a few yearsin prison. But let us just say
right here, right now, beingblack, being an alcoholic, and spending
some time in prison does not makeJames any less of a person. Okay.
He was a son, a brother, a father, he was a

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grandfather, he was a friend,and he did not deserve what was done
to him. Okay, no livingbeing on this planet deserves what was done
to him, Like, not eventhe coolest of people or an animal deserved
the fate that he met. Yeah, and we'll get to that in like

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two seconds. Yeah, well,actually like ten seconds. I don't know
what we want to throw that intobecause it's like a lot of the chatter
around Jasper was well he was acriminal. Oh yeah, we'll definitely try
to talk a little later too.But like, yeah, because you spend
time in prison, because you area sex worker, because you did drugs,

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because you did any because you robbeda do you stole a car or
whatever, doesn't justify what happened tohere, you know what I mean.
I can't justify being murdered this brutally. So I just felt like it was
important to throw that in there,because fuck those people. Okay, good.

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Continue In nineteen ninety three, Jamesand his wife divorced, and in
nineteen eighty six he moved back toJasper to be near his family, where
he entered AA and he really honedin on making a better life for himself.
In the early morning hours of Juneseventh, nineteen ninety eight, James

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left his parents' house and started towalk home when he was approached by three
men driving by and in nineteen eightytwo Ford pickup truck. They were all
roommates, twenty three year old ShawnBarry, who was who James knew from
around town. They weren't friends byany means, but he knew they knew
of each other right he was drivingthe truck, and then thirty one year

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old Lawrence Brewer and twenty three yearold John King. The three men offered
to give James a ride home,and James accepted, but James never made
it home. Instead, the threemen told forty nine year old James to
jump in the back of the truckand then they headed to a convenience store,

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and once they got there, Johnkicked shot out of the driver's seat
and took the wheel. Then theydrove to a dirt road known as the
Tram Road and When Sean asked Johnwhat he was doing, he said,
fixing to scare the shit out ofthis end word. Then got a bat

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and severely beat James. They spraypainted his face, and then a fact
that is online, but it's rarelymentioned in any coverage of this case because
it really just takes this crime toa whole other level of foul. But
after being beaten and spray painted,James was then urinated on and defecated on.

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I want to let that sink infor a minute, because as horrible
as that is, these three motherfuckersweren't done with him yet. And like
this is a person, Yeah,you know what I mean, Like and

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this was nine, Like it wasn'tthat long ago. Yeah, it wasn't
that long ago. U. Next, James was changed by his ankles and
hooked to the back of their pickuptruck. Oh it's happening already. Oh
shit, are you okay? Justbreathe, breathe it just like it blows

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my mind, like the world welive in sometimes, you know. Yeah,
also on my old age have becomean emotional wreck. Okay, I'm
okay, um so oh I mightnot be able to do it. Oh

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my god, do you want totake a break? It just kept like
my brain is like so visual,you know, Oh yeah, definitely.
I definitely can't think about the visualaspect of this because it made that makes
me want to cry. I justlike like he must have been so scaredy

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though, Oh definitely. Oh god, it's horrible to say the least.
Okay, do you want me toread it? No? I could do
it? Okay, Okay. SoJames was chained by his ankles and hooked
to the back of their pickup truck, and then they got into the truck

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and started to drive, but notbefore they made sure to further humiliate him
and pulled down his pants. Ohmy god, you're gonna be cried out
top. Okay, all right.For a mile and a half they drove

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James, who was still very muchalive by the way. He was shackled
to the back of the truck whileJames tried to sit up on his elbows
to protect his head, and weknow he did that because when an autopsy
was done later, his elbows hadbeen ground to the bone. James was

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finally put out of his misery whenthe truck took a corner too fast and
his body flew up on the sideof the road and connected with a piece
of culvert, and his right armand head were severed from his body.
That wasn't enough, because these threecontinued another mile and a half down the
road with what was left of James'sbody until they stopped in front of a

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cemetery that was attached to a blackchurch and then just left his body in
the middle of the road like hewas garbage. Yeah. Then they headed
to a barbecue and continued on withtheir days. The next morning, James's
remains were discovered by someone driving by, and when the police arrived, they

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followed three miles worth of blood andskin tissue tracks. Pieces of James's body
were found in eighty one different placesand at the scene they also recovered a
wrench with the name Barry written onit, and they also found a lighter

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with the name Possum on it,which was John King's prison nickname. And
it's crazy to see the pictures likethese crime scene pictures because there are circled
like they circled all the places wherethey found his remains right and there's the

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spray binding circles around it, andtheir circles everywhere Yeah, and they they
labeled what they found in that circle. Yeah, you know, like dentures.
Yeah, they found its dentures,which I think is like when I
heard that, I was like,geez, Like, I mean, the

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whole thing is so ugly, butit's just like your teeth are sitting out
on the road, you know whatI mean. Like, Yeah, and
there was even a circle. Ohit's hard to say, but there was
even a circle where it was labeledhead where his fucking head was found.
Yeah. And okay, start crying. I can't do it, yes,

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start crying. Okay. Now,within twenty four hours, the FBI was
involved because clearly this was a fuckinghate crime. Yeah, and it was
so disgusting fit the officials knew thatit needed to be handled swiftly or all
hell was going to break loose.Yep. That's generally when they moved the

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quickest, you know. Yeah.So before if we're going to further,
we need to tell you guys aboutSean Lawrence and John Lawrence. Russell Brewer
was born on March thirteenth, nineteensixty seven. He was the oldest of
the three men involved in James Bird'sbrutal murder Lawrence had served a prison sentence
for drug possession and burglary and wasparoled in nineteen ninety one. Three years

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later, in nineteen ninety four,he violated his parole and was sent back
to prison, and that is whenhe says he joined a white supremacist prison
gang along with John William King.John William King was born on November third,
nineteen seventy four, and he saidthat he joined that prison gang to
protect himself from being raped, specificallyby black inmates. So I guess the

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white ones were okay. Yeah.Apparently he had recently been released from prison
prior to James's murder, and hewas accused of beating James with the bat
and then dragging him behind the pickupand was considered to be the ring leader
of the group. And it's importantto know that John King is covered is
covered in racist tattoos. There's lotsof Arian Brotherhood bullshit on him, but

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the most upsetting one is the tattooof a black man being hung from across
Like that's upsetting to me, andI'm sure you and everyone listening to this.
Yeah. John was also longtime friendswith Sean Barry, Sean Allen Barry

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was born on February twelfth, nineteenseventy five, and like we said earlier,
him and John were twenty three yearsold at the time of this horrific
crime. Now, Sean's family firmlybelieved that he was just in the wrong
place at the wrong time. Butthe argument there is, like, you're
hanging out with men who clearly hateblack people, right, and then you

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just stood by and let them pickup a black man. Yeah, and
knowing full well that they didn't likeblack people, did you think was going
to happen? Yeah, and thenyou just stood there while the most inhumane
things were done to him, LikeI don't think, I don't think.
He just stood there and then hesaid nothing after after he went on to
his barbecue. Yeah, you're involved. Yeah, And I understand like a

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family not wanting to believe that aboutsomeone that they love, but I think
you just have to face the facts. I would have a hard time defending
anybody in my family if they wereinvolved in something like this, saying what
I mean. Yeah. Now,me and Justine, we both watched a
documentary called Two Towns of Jasper,and in this documentary there two film crews

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that they document the trials of thethree guys. There was one all white
film crew that spoke to the whitepeople and then an all black film crew
that spoke to the black people ofJasper to get the two sides of the
town of what was happening, youknow, and I feel like, well,

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we feel like this is this waslike pretty smart on their end.
Yeah, the film crews in becausethese people, they all spoke their truths,
and some of them were extremely uglyignorant truths. And after we finish
here, we do recommend you guysgo watch it if you want to get

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your your blood boiling and your gearsgrinding. It's very man. I was
like when I was watching this,I was like, are you fucking kidding
me? Yeah? Oh my,Like it's so and it's so frustrating.
It's so frustrating to hear and like, like to hear the white people of

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this town. And I'm not goingto say all the white people, but
the white people that they interviewed,yeah, defend what these three had done
yea to another person, right,And it was almost like, well,
again, these were the people thatwere like, well, James was a
criminal, so I'm not trying tosay, he got what he deserved,
but it's like what nobody deserves this, Yeah, like what are you talking

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about? And also, like yousaid earlier, it doesn't matter what type
of person he was. It doesn'tjustify being dragged for three miles. No,
no, not at all. Itdoesn't, you know, justify that
at all, Like it doesn't matter. And one of the guys was one
of the white guys that they interviewed. He was like, it doesn't matter
how you died, but how youlived pertaining to how you because James was

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a criminal or are you know,an alcoholic? And it's like, are
you fucking kidding me? Okay again, I was saying, are you fucking
kidding me? I was just soangry. And then and then when they
talk to the black people of thetown, it was very much like they
weren't like blaming anyone, right,they were just trying to get justice for

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James, you know what I mean. So it's like to see the two
totally ends of the of this,like just like total denial and blame and
blame and blame, and then thecommunity that this happened to not hating anyone,
but just asking for something to bedone, right, like, ah,

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it's so crazy. Yeah, butwe'll discuss more of that in the
discussion part as we do. Yeah, sometimes I made a note. I
made a note of it. Hemade a note of Yeah, we'll discuss
more on the documentary. Okay,yes, because right now we're going to

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get into a prison sentences. Okay, because obviously these motherfuckers went to prison.
So we're gonna start off with SeanBerry. He was sentenced to life
in prison and he will be eligiblefor parole in June twenty thirty eight,
when he will be about sixty threeyears old. He's currently housed in the
Ramsey Unit at the Texas Department ofCriminal Justice, where he is under protective

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custody. He spends twenty three hoursa day in his cell because let's be
honest, if he entered general populationone hund someone's taking his ass out definitely
the most violent way possible. Definitely, definitely, definitely. Now, Lawrence
Russell Brewer was found guilty of murderand was sentenced to death. He was

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the first white man ever to begiven the death penalty for killing a black
man in the state of Texas.And let that sink in right what Yeah,
crazy, because guarantee you. Beforenineteen ninety eight, there was lots
of white men killing black men.Yes, And in the documentary even the

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black people said that, yeah,you know there were they knew, you
know, other black people getting beatenon or killed by white men, but
it was brushed to underneath the rug. Yeah, yeah, swept under the
rug. Oh yeah, d youknow what, swept and brushed their similes.

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Okay, leave me alone, Okay, shut up now. The day
before his scheduled execution, Lawrence wasasked if he fell in your remorse for
torturing and murdering James Burg Jr.To which he said, as far as
any regrets, No, I haveno regrets. No, I do it

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all over again to tell you thetruth. Right, cool? I mean
cool guy. This guy was likejust the worst. Yeah. For his
last meal, he ordered to Okayhere guys, whoa he ordered too,

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chicken fried steaks, a triple pattybacon, cheeseburger, a cheese omelet,
a bowla of fried ochre with ketchup, one pound of barbecued meat, half
a loaf of white bread fahitas,which is like very wow, how ethnic
of such a yeah fahitas? What? Yeah? Such a hater of people
with pigment in their skin. Yeah, yeah, but he sure likes their

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fitas a meat lover's pizza, vanillaice cream, peanut butter fudge with crush
peanuts, and three root beers.And then he ate all of it.
No, he didn't, he noneof it. He ate nothing, nothing,
So just being a piece of shit. Yeah, they brought it,
they brought to him, and he'slike, m turns out I'm not hungry,

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wow type ah, which effectively endedTexas preparing last meals for inmates being
executed. So if you're on deathrow, you're probably not listening to this,
but you don't get a last mealanymore because of this. Fuck Laura
Russell. If you see him onthe other side, you know him,
make sure to thank him for that. Yeah. Um. Lawrence Brewer was

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executed by lethal injection on September twentyone, twenty eleven, see yea bye.
And John King was also executed bylethal injection on April twenty four,
twenty nineteen. And when this year, guys barely this year, yeah,
this year earlier this year, Andwhen asked if he had a final statement,

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he said no, but then hewrote down a statement that simply said
capital punishment, then without the capital, get the punishment. What honestly,
what does that even mean? Whatare you talking about? Then without the
capital, get the punishment? Who'sdone with the capital? Okay? Something

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that I should know about. Maybeit's just the saying that we've never heard
of. I don't know. Idon't know what it is, but hm,
I feel like we should google it. Let's see. Oh, yeah,
them without the capital. What doesit say? Then without the capital,

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get the punishment? Get Oh?Here it is mean. I feel
like it is a saying maybe fromlike a oh capital money, You'll never
meet a person with money on deathrow? Gotcha? Got it? You
have like the capital like money,Yeah, you wouldn't be put to death.

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Yeah, okay, well okay,I get it. I get it.
Still doesn't make sense, but okay, yeah, doesn't make sense for
what the fuck you did? Yeah? I think that if you had done
what you did with that much money, you still have been put to death.
True what I'm saying? True?True? True. On the Davis

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funeral and James's family church filled upwith eight hundred people, two hundred and
signed the building and six hundred outsigned Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the
NAACP president or all in attendance DennisRobin paid for all of the funeral cost,
and Don King donated one hundred thousanddollars to the Bird family, which
is very generous, very nice.Yeah yeah, that's crazy. That's a

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lot of fucking people to show upto a funeral. Oh yeah, I'm
surprised not more showed up. OnMay eleven, two thousand and one,
the Texas governor at the time signedthe James Bird Hate Crimes Act into law,
which straightened penalties for hate crimes.And the Bird family also worked with

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Matthew Shepherd's family. And if youdon't know who Matthew Shepherd was or is,
Matthew was murdered because he was gay. Put simple, point to the
blank, blank point the wait whatam I saying? Yeah, point,
we know what you're trying to sayto the point. Okay, thank you,

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thank you for just understanding. Itwasn't going to come out point blake,
point blake. Period. Here yougo, there it is. And
um so, the Bird family andMatthew Shepherd's family helped pass the Matthew Shepherd
and James Bird Junior Hate Crimes PreventionAct that was signed into law on October

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twenty eighth, two thousand and nine, by President Barack Obama. UM.
I know it's known as the MatthewShepherd Law, because let's face it,
that's a very long title. Yeah, Matthew Shepherd and James Junior. But
um, it's the same thing.It's just a shortened what you're saying,
I am, yeah. Um.The Birds also established the James Bird Foundation

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for Racial Healing, which offers diversday workshops and scholarships to people of color.
UM. In nineteen ninety nine,after Jane murder, the city of
Jasper decided to remove the wrought ironfence that kept the white in the black
cemetery separated. Um. That hadbeen there since eighteen thirty six. It's

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about time. I'm glad that ittook till nineteen ninety nine. M hm,
so ridiculous. Um. And theyalso made a park in James's honor,
which you know, like too little, too late in my opinion.
Yeah. Now, discussion time,Mum, where do we start, Where

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to even begin? Well that youbrought you know, since you brought up
the wrought iron fence. Um.When they were interviewing the black people.
It's like, it makes no Theywere like, it makes no difference.
Yeah, because because it they hadalready been separated. Everybody in that town

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knows each other basically, right,Yeah, And of course when someone dies,
they want to be buried with theirfamily, Emily, So it it's
still the whites are with the whitesand the blacks are with the blacks,
because that's how it was initially.It's just going to keep going like that
or going that way, you know. Yeah, um, but I mean

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it's nice that they took took thestep to get rid of the fence anyway.
Yeah, I mean probably should havebeen taken down. It should have
been taken down a long time ago. It shouldn't even be put been put
up, but you know, umyeah, and then but then, but
then, but then they took downthis fence between the two whatever sides of

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the property, right, but thenhad to build a gate around James's tomb,
his um, great his plot Yeah, because uh twice it was vandalized
with racial slurs. And yeah,as if this man and his family haven't
been put through enough, now you'regoing to disturb his final resting place.

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Like what is wrong with people?I don't know and what is And I
read somewhere that it was like kids, but like, where are the that
your kids aren't born malicious? Likethat's some bullshit that you're preaching to them.
So well, they're targeting they're targetingJames's plots specifically. You know,

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they're not doing it too all thegrave plots and all willy nilly. You
know, they're not just going throughthe cemetery and just spray painting whatever.
It's it's specifically his plot. Yeah, so which can you imagine Like this
poor family, like they already they'regoing to have to live with this for
the rest of their lives, right, like this is forever a part of

(35:51):
their story now and they're probably nevergoing to heal from that completely, but
just like moving forward and trying todo good. And it's like every single
time this is done, like they'redragged right back to that place in time,
you know what I mean. Andit's like they've already been through enough.
Like these these kids or whoever's doingit, Like if it happens again,

(36:13):
like there needs to be harsh orpunishments because seriously, yeah, it's
bullshit, And I do have tosay that James Bird's death did make the
community come together like SA sorta Yeah. Even though there were racist white people

(36:38):
that didn't take part in this,there were you know, other people like
I don't know, I feel likethey did. There was like a church
gathering I think, where the whitesand the blacks that got together in church
and they had a hole. Itwas just a normal church ceremony, I

(36:58):
guess, whatever you call it.But they were showing that part of the
documentary that you know, the communitieswe're trying to get together and be more
united. Yeah, but it's justlike it's so it's because like this was
in the late nineties, right,but like you think of like okay,

(37:20):
segregation and in that whole you know, Jim crow Era was you know,
the thirties, the thirties, forties, and it's like we're in the nineties.
Then this ship is still happened.It may not be law to keep
everybody segregated, but everybody is verymuch still segregated. Like the white people
are in their white neighborhoods and theblack people in their black neighborhoods, and

(37:44):
there cemeteries are separated, like there'svery much a line there and I was
reading something that was saying like,oh, at the time, Jasper was
very progressive because they had a blackmirror. So what like so what,
um, you still lived in acity that that this happened in that,

(38:09):
and that people not only did thishappen in that, people were like,
well, shit happens, yeah,like are you can you imagine if I
mean, I get it. It'sthis little backwoods city that is very much
stuck in their old ways, right, m But like imagine, like,

(38:30):
Okay, I live in California.I live in the Los Angeles area.
If some shit happened like that here, Oh the riots that yeah, Oh
my god, the crazy shit thatwould happen, you know what I mean,
Like yeah, and I don't thinkanyone would be caught dead saying to
any any color film crew, well, he wasn't that great of a guy.

(38:52):
Like I don't know, it's oh, I just like I think,
like okay, nineteen okay, nineteenninety eight, No, nineteen ninety nine,
I was eleven years old, likeit was it that long ago.
And I think I think that's thehardest part to swallow about this whole case,

(39:15):
is that like, Okay, ifwe if we told you this story
and told you it took place innineteen thirty, you'd go, okay,
like those were the times, Likeand it's ugly and it's tragic and it's
awful, but that's what it wasin nineteen thirty. Like, I think
it shocks me that this was inthe nineties, you know, And it
just goes to show like how muchchange we still have to do, you

(39:38):
know, Like, and I knowwe've obviously changed since the nineties, but
um, there's still so much betterthat we could all, do you know
what I mean? Yeah, um, um. I didn't want to talk
about that. James's son, Ross, he is like very opposed to the

(39:59):
death nalteam, so he kind ofargued against the fact of like he didn't
want John and Lawrence to be putto death. He was very outspoken about
that. And I think these weregood, like god fearing church people,
and they don't want I don't know, I think they wanted justice. I

(40:24):
don't want to say they. Rossprobably wanted justice for his father, but
didn't think that Like doesn't you knoweye for an eye is not a thing
for him, you know, Yeah, And I don't think that makes him
any less upset. About what happenedto his father, you know what I
mean, Like everybody has their ownopinions. Yeah, you know, you

(40:45):
believe everybody feel. Everybody's entitled tofeel a certain you know, their own
way. Yeah. So, butI also think that goes to show like
what a big heart he has,you know what I mean? Or yeah,
he knew what they did to hisfather, and he still was like
I don't think that putting them todeath is the way to go the right

(41:06):
call, you know. Um,And I think too, like it sucks
because I feel like this family wasjust like I mean, it's a big
gass family and their churchgoers, andI feel like they were just like a
good solid family. Like they talkedto James's sisters and they're they're not hateful

(41:27):
people, like they just you know, they wanted justice for their for their
sibling. And and I think toone of the sisters had said, when
um, John King, Yes,when John King was just executed, you
know that, which I will hardlyunderstand that they both him and Laurence both

(41:50):
got to go peacefully while James wastortured. Yeah, you know, and
like I think they're glad like thatit's over. But like it's not.
It almost doesn't feel like enough,you know. Yeah, yeah, I
mean sometimes I feel that they shouldbring back an eye for an eye,

(42:13):
yeah, because like she said,you know, they got to die peacefully.
When James was dragged for three miles, Yeah, and he suffered the
whole time. And um, Iknow that when the three guys were questioned
about his murder, m hmm,I think it was Sean one of them,

(42:42):
it was said that one of themhad sliced James's. Lawrence said that
Sean had had slit James's throw,sliced whatever before they had shackled him to
the truck or whatever. But they, like their forensic testing leader, so
that that wasn't true. Yeah.Well the autopsy showed that it wasn't true

(43:07):
because throughout the whole thing, Jameswas trying to lift up his head.
Yeah. So you can't lift upyour head if your throat is slit.
Yeah. And it almost would havebeen more humane if they had cut his
throat before they chuckled him up,you know, if they had killed him
before they dragged him. Yeah,instead of dragging him alive to to you
know, struggle and try to fight. I mean, I can't imagine like

(43:29):
what that the you know, thefear happening with him, that like there's
nothing you can do, like you'rejust and your skins being peeled from You're
helpless and came out like I can'timagine being so afraid, you know,
and being in so much pain likeit was happening again. Um yeah,

(43:53):
And it's just like what kind ofand these these boys, they were twenty
four years old, you know whatI mean, Like, what the hell
happened that you're so hateful that youhate someone so much because they're black?
Like it wasn't like they had avendebted against him, you know what I

(44:13):
mean. It's not like he wentn'tI don't know, killed in their family,
Like you didn't do anything. Hewas walking down the street. Yeah.
Um and I think I think thattoo, Like that's probably the biggest
thing about this, this whole entirestory that makes meself, was like,
how could you hate like like arace so much that you could do this

(44:40):
to them? Yeah, It's likeI can't fathom it, Like it's crazy.
Yeah, it's what's that word abhorrent? Abhorrent behavior to like like this
whole thing is just abhorrent and Ijust I can't ima imagine hating someone that

(45:01):
much to do that to someone.Yeah, like it's nolling, And I
mean it doesn't happen any It hasn'thappened, not that I not that we
know of in this country again sincethen, But I mean there are racial

(45:24):
there's racist shit that's happening in thiscountry still, yeah, to this day.
Yeah, to this day there's AndI think too, like like there's
no takeaway from this, right,like, yeah, hopefully people have gotten
better. I don't know. I'mnot in Jasper. I don't know if
Jasper is better. Like I feellike it's probably slightly better, but not

(45:44):
that much, you know, Like, um, it's just like it's such
a reminder like how much we allneed to grow, you know what I
mean, like and stop whatever thatthat there's this whole conversation in that documentary
about this man or this man he'sdown eating lunch together a bunch of people

(46:09):
and he's saying a wall. WhenI grew up, I would say,
you know, the N word,like it was nothing, and now it's
not politically correct and I don't understandwhy I can't say it and I can't
say it in front of my kids, and my kids can't say it,
And Paul, it's like, whatare you talking about? Like get with

(46:29):
the times, old man, whatand that, and like it's like that's
the problem, that's the cancer rightthere, that person at the top of
the family that's breeding that hate throughouttheir family. So you if you come
from a family that's that's like that, Like you have to be the change,
right, Like you have to gothat you're which you're saying is ignorant,
it's incorrect, it's hateful, andI'm gonna choose to be different.

(46:52):
Like I think that needs to bethe tick away from this whole thing.
Be the change in your family ifthat's your family, you know, and
it's not just white people like Hispanicor people are racist against the like I
think everybody's has a little bit ofracism within them for every other culture aside
from their own, right, Like, but you have to choose to make

(47:15):
that different, to not subscribe tothat and to change it, you know.
Like at that at what you're talkingabout, that little meeting, I
guess with all the white people,yeah, or they were having breakfast or
whatever at the table. Muh,there was a young white girl there.

(47:38):
She was probably like eight, maybeten, and they questioned her about her
school and she's like, oh,She's like, we play with everyone,
you know, we play with theblacks Mexicans, like everybody just plays with
everyone. Which I hope that shewas the change in her family, yeah,

(48:01):
you know, but who knows,yeah, which is probably not true
because she I think she was relatedto that crazy racist white man. And
I don't know, just that wholeconversation felt very forced and like little tell

(48:22):
them that you hang out with everybody, you know what I mean, Like
I don't know. I wasn't buying. I mean, it didn't seem like
there. And then she goes,I hang out with the black kids.
There's three of them in my classand one Mexican. It's like it's a
little like, oh, I'm gladthere's four brown people in your whole entire
school. Like that's not it's notum realistic to say, like to only

(48:52):
have four brown people in your class, Like it's not normal, you know,
um. And I feel like eventhe way like it was being said,
like they were like laughing at heralmost a little bit. I don't
know the whole thing. I kindof I was just like that whole documentary
I had, it was like inand out of because it was making me
so angry that I couldn't I couldn'tfocus for too long. Um. But

(49:21):
but and again, there's this littlegirl sitting at the table and this old
white man is saying the N wordsseveral times and she's not flinching. So
it's something that she's heard over andover and over again, you know.
Um. So I don't know,Um, I hope that things are better
there, you know what I mean, Like, I hope that things have

(49:43):
changed a little. Um. Um. I did want to say that James
mom Stella May died in twenty ten, the age of eighty five. I
don't think it was anything like traumatic. She was just an old age.
Yeah, But I think it's youknow, I think it's badass that this

(50:06):
family's you know, still trying tochange things. You know, they have
this foundation set up and they're tryingto trying to make some good out of
this horrific situation. So that's Ithink that's always so brave because I feel
like if you were me, like, I don't know if I could in
sight change after something horrific like thathappened to someone I love, like i'd
probably just like shut down and Idon't know, I actually probably get really

(50:30):
angry and want to kill someone,Like yeah, it's brave to like find
peace within it, you know.Um, So I don't know what we've
been rambling on for so long.Yeah, all right, So at the
end of discussion time, Yeah,it sounded a discussion time, all right.

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Now, guys, before we moveon to stranger danger, we want
to address something we saw a fewmonths ago that also had Justine in tears,
because even after all this constant talkof murder and the hainous things that
happened in this world, some shitstill catches her off guard, like for

(51:15):
real, like guard, Like Itext you that day, like I did,
enraged you were like did you seeso? On August third, twenty
nineteen, two white Galveston police officersthat's the Galveston, Texas guys were still
in Texas on horseback, arrested fortythree year old Don o'neely, who was

(51:37):
a homeless black man with mental healthissues, for criminal trash pass then proceeded
to walk him down the street bya rope. And here we are twenty
one years later, and maybe noone's been chained to the back of a
truck and dragged down the street.But here's a black man being per down

(52:00):
the street fire rope in twenty nineteen. So what is up with Texas?
Dude, Texas, get your shittogether. What's happening now? There's some
here, there's some blue cities inTexas. But I feel like it's I
don't care primarily sucking people like this. He's people aren't animals. You don't

(52:27):
tie them up and walk them downthe street. Also, why are officers
still on horseback? Get a car? Just saying their excuse was they didn't
have any vehicles available to transport himto the jail basically, so they just

(52:50):
released bodycam footage from both officers andone of them saying like this is not
a good idea, like this isgonna look so bad. It's gonna look
so bad, and they didn't anyways, so um and it looks it was
horrible. Yeah, And of coursethe Gallaston Police Department sends out there black
um haptin or whatever he was todo damage control every time. So taxes

(53:17):
sent out there black bearer to dodamage control. Like remember, wait a
minute, remember there was a timewhere when a celebrity did something that was
deemed racist, they would always bringAl Sharpton yes to talk on their behalf
or dude like you said, damagecontrol and oh my goodness, my god,

(53:38):
it's crazy. So twenty nineteen,still doing fucked up shit. Um
so we haven't said it here ina long time, but uh, do
better everyone, yea, do better? Be the change. Yes, it's
and we can and we can alwaysdo better and we can always change more.
And yeah, just you know,stop making me cry. All right,

(54:08):
guys, So now we're officially movingon to stranger dangers. Let's do
it, okay, ranger danger,stranger danger. This is not a test.
I repeat, this is not atest. You better run. Okay.

(54:32):
First up, we have a storyfrom Shawna. Hey, SHAWNA.
Subject is stranger danger. We movedinto a former drug den. All right,
here we go, Hey, y'all. In twenty seventeen, my then
boyfriend took a bunch of pills,crashed my car, and got arrested.
Wow, this is like the beginningof a movie. Right. We had

(54:53):
been living together, so I decidedto move out before he was released from
jail. Best decision of my life. My sister had been staying in our
guest room for a few weeks whileshe was looking for a job, so
she and I decided to find aplace to live together. Unfortunately, we
were super broke and only had fortyeight hours to move, so our options
were extremely limited. We ended upfinding a rundown little house on Craigslist that

(55:15):
was suspiciously cheap, but we weredesperate, so we went to check it
out and decided man good enough.We paid the landlord in cash. It's
a miracle we didnt get scammed andmoved in the next day. Right away,
we noticed some weird things about thehouse. I was hanging my clothes
up in my new closet when Idiscovered a tiny baggy with some remnants of

(55:36):
white powder alongside an exact oblade anda pair of safety goggles. Cocaine.
I'm gonna go with meth meth.When I hear white powder, I just
automatically always go to cocaine. Thinkokay, yeah default. One of the
kitchen counters was burnt and covered inblack, sticky substance. There was also
a spoon in a kitchen drawer thatwas covered in the same sticky stuff.

(55:59):
Oh yeah, there was a stackof old mail addressed to at least six
different names, all in a tinytwo bedroom house, and my sister's bedroom
had several silver dollar sized holes inthe ceiling. Clearly either there had been
some drug use going on, butlike whatever, not a big deal,
or so I thought. Soon afterwe moved in, we started getting visitors.

(56:22):
Every few weeks, different piste offlooking people would appear at our doorstep
and aggressively knock on the door.We never answered naively, assuming that they
had the wrong house, and eventuallythey would go away. At one point,
my sister's car got a flat tirewhile parked in a parked in the
street out front, and then onceshe got it fixed, it happened again.
The tires weren't visibly slashed, soit could have been a coincidence,

(56:45):
but we couldn't be sure. Weeventually ended up talking to the next door
neighbor about the previous residence and welearned that not only were they using the
house to do drugs, they werealso using it to manufacture and sell drugs.
The holes of my sister's ceiling werefrom marri want to grow lamps.
To be honest, I'm jealous.They didn't leave those behind, and the

(57:05):
people knocking were presumably angry customers whocouldn't get in touch with their dealers.
Fortunately, the strangers eventually stopped showingup and things settled down, and on
the bright side, I was muchhappier living there than with my ex,
so I guess it all worked out. That's so crazy, Oh man,
I can't, I Matt, like, how you you don't know who lived

(57:27):
at your house before you? Youknow what I mean, Like if you're
a writer or like, who livedin your home before you did? Dude,
that's so creepy. I wonder.I wonder what happened to the people
that lived there before I'll probably arrested. Did they get arrested? Probably that's
why their clients couldn't find them anymore. Oh my goodness. Well, thank
you Shanna for your story. Yes, thank you Shanna. Okay, that's

(57:52):
crazy, all right. Next up, we have a story from Gail.
Hey, Gail, when I wasfourteen, I was walking home from a
school field trip when a thin mandarted in front of me and stood behind
a tree. He then pulled downhis pants. Ah, I read two
blocks home and locked the door behindme. Moments later, I heard knocking

(58:15):
on the windows. I thought thatwas it. He was getting in.
I was relieved when my mom wascoming in the door. Moments later.
She found the police, but theycouldn't find him. When my dad came
home after work, I was tellinghim the story when I looked out her
window and saw the same guy wearinga leather jacket and a hard hat walking

(58:36):
across the street. I said weshould call the police, but my dad
was out the door running after theguy. They disappeared around a corner,
and when my dad came back,he said, you won't have to be
worrying about him anymore. And Ididn't and never saw him again. Oh
shoot, what did dad do?What did Dad did? Dad? I'd

(59:00):
beat the shit out of him.We go, Dad promote We don't promote
violence. But I hope your dead. Dad. But hey, man,
you gotta protect your family. Hellyeah, you can't be exposing your penis
to people. Man, No,put your penis away. Put your penis
is away? You know you getyour ask what by an angry dad?

(59:21):
There? You don't want to getyour ask what buy a angry dad?
Put your penis away? There?You go? Yep, that's it.
PSA of the day. All right, thank you Gil for your story.
Yes, thank you y'all. Hannah, props to your pops. Yeah yeah,
I love that. All right.Next up, we have an audio

(59:43):
from Jackie. What's up, Jackiegirl? What a Jackie? Okay?
Are you ready? Yeah? Okay, Hey ladies, it's Jackie from Chicago.
So I'm currently driving, so it'sprobably not the same time to do
this. But here's a stranger danger. Not mine, it's my boyfriend's.

(01:00:05):
I'm starting to think he needs tojust stay home and not really do much
because every time he goes out,something bad happens. So he doesn't really
like to go out to drink.But this day, his coworkers had invited
him to go out to drink indowntown Chicago. So I told him to
just go and then I'll be homedrinking my two bottles of wine. I

(01:00:27):
don't want to talk about it.So then he ends up texting me telling
me that his coworker was telling himthat he hasn't had a date in a
while, that he hasn't met agirl in a long time, you know,
pity party, blah blah blah.And so my boyfriend goes, hey,
there's this chick in the bar.She's looking at you. Why don't

(01:00:50):
you just go talk to her?So the guy goes talk to her.
She comes to their table, andhe's texting me through this whole time.
I'm like, look at you beinga wingman. Then he texted me he's
like, something weird just happened.So he went to the bathroom. And
before all this, actually he noticedthat the girl keeps staring at him and

(01:01:12):
looking at him and smiling at himand not really paying attention to his coworker.
So then all of a sudden,my boyfriend just got up and went
to the bathroom. She was actuallywaiting for him outside the bathroom. My
boyfriend and he goes like, oh, what's up? You know, like
he felt like awkward, And shegoes, do you have any weed that

(01:01:36):
I can smoke? My new Heokay, he's all tattooed, he's bald,
he's a Mexican. Oh maybe notevery Mexican has drugs on him.
I'm just saying. So then um, he goes, no, I don't
have anything on me, and shegoes, are you sure? I really?
He's like, how about me?And you party mean? You go

(01:01:59):
do something thing. He's like,no, no, thank you, I'm
with friends, and you know,I told him he should have said no,
I have a girlfriend, but whatever, I guess whatever. So then,
um so he goes back to histable. This girl goes back to
the table and keeps flirting with herwith the coworker and my boyfriend. At

(01:02:19):
this time, he feels upward,so he just leaves. The whole time.
He's like, can you can youlike pick me up? Like she
keeps staring at me from like wherevershe was, and I was like,
I can't. I'm on my secondbottle of wine. You told me you
were gonna go out grabbing uber,just get home. When he gets home,
he's all like, that was weird. I was like hoping like she

(01:02:43):
would not just keep following me orstaring at me. So um so yeah,
so that's his stranger danger. Hekeeps getting basically cornered by women.
I need to stop letting him out. That's just me. Maybe I need
to start putting him like a leashon him or something. Talk to you

(01:03:04):
later, girls, bye. Well, thanks Jackie for the audio. Yes,
thanks Jackie. Yeah, it ispretty creepy when some one of the
opposite sex is just staring at youand staring at you and staring at you.
It's like, are you done?And it is kind of weird that
she followed him to the bathroom.It's kind of rude that she assumed he

(01:03:28):
had weed on him too, Iknow, right, hello, rude,
get out of here. Um.Yeah, I think that everybody needs to
work on their social cues. Okay. Yeah. If you're staring at a
guy and he's like, oh,averting your gaze and he was just like
he is not talking to you,it's like, that doesn't mean try harder,
if that means find your next victim. Yeah, you know what I'm

(01:03:51):
saying. Maybe he's got a lovelygirlfriend at home drinking her wine, you
know, when he's just not interestedbe the boyfriend should have told the girl
like, hey, I'm with someone. You should have been like, I
have a wife and seven children.Just lie, oh man, that would
make me run away. So I'msorry. How many children gotta go?

(01:04:15):
Got to go? I mean thewife part two? But must Well,
thank you Jackie for your story.I know we already said thank you,
but we're saying it again. Yeah. Um, just maybe you need to
start going out with him more.Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Yeah, just don't let him outinto the one. I don't want
to say let him out because he'slike his own person, can do his

(01:04:36):
own thing. But maybe join himout in the wild more often, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah,all right, that's it for stranger danger.
Yes. Um, you guys sendus your stranger danger stories. Okay,
do it right now? Send themto us. Where can they send

(01:04:57):
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or you can tell us your nameand then just tell us don't tell anybody

(01:05:17):
else my name because we can dothat too. Um. If you want
to send us an audio file orif you have something against my form,
you can always send your stories too. It's about damn Crime at gmail dot
com. Okay, Um, Ikind of want some like like the holidays

(01:05:40):
are approaching, you know, you'rewith your family a law. You always
got that one crazy uncle to drinkstoo much and then like violence ensues.
Like I want to hear your crazyfamily dysfunctional holiday stories. You know,
Wow, I would like to hearthis. Wow. So if you got
any of that, let's send aboy get up. If you're if your

(01:06:02):
dad got real drunk when Christmas evenwound up getting arrested, Like, we
want to hear that story. Youknow, just Steve really wants to hear
the story. You're very excited aboutit. I am, you know,
I just feel like it's it wouldreally put me in the holiday spirit.
It's all I'm said. Um,all right, guys, um, Right
now we are moving on to reviews. Yes. Now, the thing about

(01:06:30):
reviewsky. The thing about reviews isthat we told you guys that when we
hit five hundred reviews, we weregoing to do giveaway. Guess what we
have hit five hundred and one.All right, so we're gonna pick two
Randoms, two Wyndhams. What areWyndhams. I don't I don't know.

(01:06:51):
Interesting, all right, We're gonnapack two winners right now. Mine has
already picked. Oh show, whatdid you do? Well? While you
were talking, I was scrolling in, scrolling and scrolling, and then I
stopped, and then you scroll upand down. Yeah, okay, I'm
gonna scroll down. I'm gonna scrollup up, I'm gonna scroll down down,

(01:07:17):
down, and then I'm gonna scrollup. Okay, tell me when
to stop. Mm hmm stop.Okay, wait, who's what if we
picked the same one? I'm gonnalaugh. Okay, go ahead, here's
the winn. Okay. So,so my winner is missus ho Felt Eyes

(01:07:41):
so um okay, So, Missushold Fell, your title was best low
key true crime podcast. I'm assumingthat's what it is. Take a snapshot
of it, Okay, got it? Okay, okay. And then the
second winner that we have is Zar. Dude literally right above Zar. How

(01:08:03):
did that happen? What the hell? Weird? That's super weird? Why
so yeah, Zar x A rR. All right, So I'm gonna
screenshot this. We could just screenshotthis whole screen actually, because it's both

(01:08:24):
of them right on top of eachother. That's so weird. Yeah the
heck, holy shit, how doesthat happen? I don't know? All
right, So congratulations to Czar andmissus Holfield. You two want a brand

(01:08:48):
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If we do not hear from youby the end of the tenth,

(01:09:08):
then November eleventh, we're gonna pickmore winners. But we're gonna do that
over on social media, So makesure you're following us on social media.
Okay, yes, and our socialmedia we are on Instagram and Facebook at
It's About Damn Crime. We're alsoon Twitter and Snapchat at i ADC podcast
just yes, FYI. Thank youguys for all your five star reviews.

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I can remember when we only hadten reviews and I was like, holy
moly, what happens when we hita hundred? And now we've hit five
hundred? Who are we? Yes? So now it's time to get us
to five ten baby numbers, babysteps. So yes, Um, if

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you guys could go leave us afive star review, it would be greatly
appreciated. We will do more giveaways. Okay, ready to wrap it up.
Let's do it all right, guys, that's it for us until next
week. Um, what am Isaying, oh my god, we gotta
go. We've been doing this forfar too long. It's like, yeah,
it's hot, I'm really hot inthis room, and I'm hungry and

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I'll blowly she's naked or she's afraid. It's fine, all right, good,
We'll catch you next week with awhole other episode. Until then,
Justine, Remember, yeah, there'sa lot desert out there. I thought

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you froze. Was like, whathappened? They should have saw your faith.
You're like, okay, um,which I'm saying to racism, thank

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you, it's a good one.I'm saying it to racism. Yes,
fuck you racism. WHOA? Alrightyou really? Whatever? Hold on?
I lost my head rocking. Okay, Okay, we're fine, Okay,
all right, guys. We loveyou, Okay, love guys. Remember
remember I love you more. Dobetter remember that I still love you more.

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I love you more than I'm gonnaabout you with you. I don't
have the energy combined. I don'teven know what you're saying anymore. I
love you, guys. We'll talkto you next week. Love you,
bye, Shut up,