December 11, 2019 • 60 mins
In 1952, Ruby McCollum, the wealthiest black woman in Live Oak, Florida, went into Dr. Adams office and shot him. Now, Dr. Adams was a prominent white doctor, so the question on everyone's mind was, "Why would Ruby kill good ol' Doc Adams?". The answer is revealed when her lawyer goes to see her.
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Hi, everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode. If it's about damn crime where
two best friends get together and talkabout what Justine, what's this week?
What are we talking about this week? It's today it's messy um murder.
Yeah, well that's every week,well not every week. Sometimes we don't
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talk about murder, but in thiscase, there's murder. Most of the
time we talk about murder, butsometimes we like to throw a little curveball
at you guys. Yeah, butthis is not one of those times I
do anymore. I'm just kidding.Anyways, I'm Brittany, I'm Justine,
and you're listening to episode one twentyeight. Oh shoot, we're inching closer
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to that final one thirty episode thirty, and I just real quick, I
just want to say that I dolove all of the comments that I'm seeing
from you guys. I know youguys are the greatest. And will I
be crying in the final episode?Maybe probably, Maybe I'll tear up a
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little bit, maybe my eyes willget watery. I don't know. I
can't see in the future. I'mnot psychic. Yeah. It also depends
on how drunk we get, becauseif we get super drunk, I'll be
like O in coherent Yeah, ablubbering myth maybe yeah, um, you
guys are so nice to us andwe love you. Yeah, we love
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all you guys. Um, soanything else before we get started, before
we jump into this week's case.Dude, did you see that George Zimmerman
is soon? O? Y ohmy god, get a get out of
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here, Like you're already so hated? Why you already killed their son?
Yeah? What like just stops?Yeah? Like if as if they haven't
been through enough, let's give themmore trouble and then, my god,
like I would say, ninety fivepercent of this world can't stand him already,
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right, and so now you goand do this, Like what what
are you doing? Where you getact? I just can't on your hands.
My jaw dropped when I saw that, Yeah story, Like what the
fuck is? Yeah? Why wouldhe go after the family, Like if
you feel like you're a wrongfully triedor whatever, Like why aren't you going
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after the lawyers? Yeah? Orlike I know he's doing like the their
authors or they created a documentary Idon't remember what it was, directors.
I mean they're in that lawsuit.He just like go after them? Why
are you going after this poor kid'sfamily, Like what did they do?
Yeah, it's just oh my god, the world we live in, I
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know. Um, yeah, that'scrazy. So I'm trying to think of
any other stories that I've heard ofthis past week that I've just made my
jaw drop. I can think ofanything I look today to see, um
if because you know how I'm obsessedwith the Mixeday family order. Oh yeah,
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merit is supposed to get sentenced thismonth, and so I'm like,
keep looking, keep looking, Ikeep looking on nothing yet. So hopefully
by the time we're done recording somewe'll have some sort of final conclusion.
Yeah, hopefully. It's been solong, like just sentence. I'm already
Jesus Christ. Just be done,you know, like us, just be
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done. Be done. Oh allright, well are we ready to get
started? Yeah? I have noupdates. I have to pack and I
haven't packed anything yet, so yeah, you are moving back. It's so
annoying. Ah, I'm supposed tohave like one more week at work,
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but I don't know if I'll makeit. There's a lot of shit happening
at Year's a lot of things goingdown. It's like very stressful. Yeah,
I wouldn't blame you if you didn'tmake it the last week. Yeah,
like, you know, we're gonnasee what happens tomorrow. Tomorrow.
Oh, let's played by your nightmare. See how you feel? Yeah,
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all right, well already ready,let's do it. Okay, of why
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I actually, before we get started, our dog is in the house right
now because it's raining outside and she'svery unruly, so she might pick up
in the background. Okay. Also, the kids are here, so it's
like extra noisy. Yeah, okay, here we go. Ruby Jackson was
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born on August thirty first, nineteeno nine. She was the second born
of six kids to Gertrude and WilliamJackson in Zuber, Florida. Ruby was
a smart cookie, so her parentsdecided to send her to private school,
where she picked up bookkeeping and likereally kicked ass. So she was really
good at the math, you know, yeah, really good at the math.
Unlike the math was her skill.Yeah, I'm not good at the
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math. We're not good at themath. No, no, no,
no, no, no, notat math. I got you two plus
two four, got it? Nailedthat, nailed that. If you ask
me to repeat my time stables pastten I don't think I could do it
now. In nineteen thirty one,Ruby married a man named Sam McCollum.
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The two had met when Ruby wassinging in the church choir. They moved
to Nyack, New York, wherethey had a son named Sam Junior,
and they had a daughter. Innineteen thirty four, Ruby and Sam packed
up their family and moved to FortMyers, Florida, where Sam's brother Buck
lived and ran a gambling business ina game called Bolida. I feel like
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we talked about Bolida on like aPatron episode once when we were Talpaly when
we were talking about who do wedo the mob guy in Vegas? You
got me no idea what his nameis right now, I can't think of
it either anyway. So, butit is kind of like like I envisioned
it, like the lotto, youknow, small scale, but you pick
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numbers and if your number wins,you win. But of course you have
to buy in to pick numbers,right. Yeah, And it was highly
illegal at the time, not likehere now and the state of California were
the lotto is very legal and veryhuge. Yeah. Uh, Sam and
Buck weren't exactly on the straightened narrowobviously, what did we just say,
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they're involved in illegal gambling. Theonly thing that they did on the straight
and narrow was sell burial plots,but they decided to join forces, and
then they started also selling liquor,which was illegal at the time in the
county. But they were black mendoing illegal activities and making a ton of
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money, right, So how didthey do it? They paid off local
enforcement, right like local law enforcement, local politicians, where everyone was getting
paid out right yep. They alsoowned the largest tobacco farm in Florida,
which I mean, they were killingit, dude, I'm jealous. Make
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that money. And Sam and Rubythey bought a two story home in Live
Book, Florida, which was aplace that was still extremely segregated. But
the mccollumns didn't care. They sawit, they liked it, they wanted
it, they got it like theAriana Grande song. Oh no, no,
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all right. So not only werethey able to buy that nice ass
house, but every year Ruby gota new Chrysler to drive around town.
And Sam kept another farm they ownedstocked with quail so him and his prized
bird dogs could go hunting whenever theyfelt like it. Needless to say,
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the columns were pretty well off andRuby was described as the wealthiest black woman
in town. And all of thishas been a pretty normal beginning, right,
I mean, there's like a littlebit of shadiness going on. Yeah,
there's a little bit of illegal activityactivity taking place, you know,
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but this shit is about to startinto a lifetime movie. Yes, definitely
crazy. On August third, nineteenfifty two, Ruby packed up her two
youngest children into her car and droveto the office of doctor c Leroy Adams.
Doctor Adams was the most beloved doctorin the area. He serviced both
white and black patients, which washuge at the time, and that made
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people really like him. I thinkit made the black community really trust him.
And then he was like this.I feel like probably the white community
felt like he was doing charity work, you know what I mean. He
had also brought penicillin with him whenhe came to town was magically curing everyone
with antibiotics that no one had everheard about the time. So it was
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like, not only was he adoctor treating everyone equally, but he was
also curing people, which made himextra lived. Yeah. So anyway,
Ruby drove to his office and thenshot him four times and killed him.
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Then she left, changed her clothesand pretended like she had done nothing wrong.
After witnesses identified a wealthy looking blackwoman leaving the doctor's office, police
went to Ruby's home to question her, and she was there feeding her baby.
But after police found eighteen hundred dollarsin her purse for some reason no
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one will ever understand, Ruby handedover the gun and she was arrested.
Samose at church when he heard thenews that Ruby had been arrested for killing
everyone serve doctor. So he ranhome, packed up kids, grabbed the
valuables and all of the cash theyhad, and the little black book that
Ruby kept with all of the namesand dollar amounts that had been paid to
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the public officials to keep them quietabout their business. Supposedly that's what happened.
Anyways, There's a lot of stuffin this story where it's like,
because it happened so long ago,like we don't know what's fact or fiction
at this point. But I feellike this part of this story like makes
sense that she would have a record, right, Like, yeah, it
would be smart to have a record. Yeah. Then Sam took all the
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kids to Ruby's parents home and wheredo. They live by fether and Sam
Junior, their oldest son was studyingat UCLA at the time, so he
wasn't he wasn't home. He wasn'thome. Police obviously wanted to talk to
Sam, right because like, yourwife just killed someone, so we should
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probably talk to you. But thevery next day Sam was supposed to come
in and an interview with the police. But Sam was dead. Yeah,
and the official record is he diedof a heart attack. But a heart
attacked, No, just a heartattack. Um, that seems a little
odd. Yeah, like what arethe what are the odds? Yeah,
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that this shit happens and he's supposedto go get questioned by the police,
and then he mysteriously has a heartattack dies like they say he had a
heart attack. But yeah, nah, I don't think it was a heart
attack. I don't think I'm buyingit. No, definitely not no way.
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Now we're sure you all are thinking, why on earth did Ruby kill
Doctor Adams. Well I'm about totell you. Okay, six years earlier,
Ruby had become ill and so Samcalled doctor Adams to you know,
come down, because doctor Adams diddo house calls. So yeah, so
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Sam called doctor Adams. Doctor Adamscame down to the house to help her.
He came over with his miracle penicillinand gave her a shot and she
started feeling better. Now it's importantto note that doctor Adams had come from
a very super wealthy lineage, butsomewhere along the way his family had lost
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all of their money and doctor Adams, well, Doctor Adams wanted his money
back and he wanted power, sohe decided to go into politics. And
the McCollums they had the money,but it was the nineteen fifties and they
were a black couple and they werenever going to have the power. So
they struck a deal. The McCollumsbelieve a racket would fund doctor adams political
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campaign and in return, he wouldprotect the McCollum's illegal business. And at
the time of his doctor Adams wasstate Senator elect, so he had made
it their money had put him intooffice. Yes, so we all see
where this is going, right.Obviously something went wrong with the money.
Doctor Adams started demanding more money,or maybe the mccollumns were threatening to out
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him as being involved with their illegalgambling, and that would not have sat
well with all of his white voterswho were extremely gainst gambling. Maybe any
of those things, right, guys, right? Maybe? No? All
of that is wrong, Yeah,very wrong, very wrong, very very
very wrong. This is something socompletely different and extra disgusting. So one
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day, when her lawyer came tosee her in jail, Ruby was found
lean in her cell in a poolof blood. She had been three months
pregnant and had miscarried, but shewasn't carrying her now dead husband's baby.
She revealed that it was actually doctorAdam's baby, and at the first one
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she had conceived with him, becauseher youngest daughter also belonged to him,
Duta. And this murder wasn't alover quarrel's gone wrong because Ruby and doctor
Adam weren't lovers. Doctor Adams hadbeen helping himself to Ruby for the past
five years. Doctor Adams had repeatedlybeat and raped Ruby, and according to
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her, he would shoot her upwith something to make her sick, and
then shoot her up with something againto make her feel better. We know
now that it was probably coquen orheroine, and at the time Ruby had
developed like a horrible heroine addiction.Yeah, he got her addicted to that
ship. Yeah, from the amountof times that he was doping her up.
Yeah. Now, like we saidearlier, Florida was still a segregated
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state in the fifties and black peoplewere treated as second class citizens, which
of course met black women were treatedas even less. There's a there's a
long history of white men taking sexualadvantage of black women, going back to
slavery times when black women were rapedby their white owners because you know,
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they weren't people, they were property, which is very disgusting, yes,
but that's the way it was backYeah. Then. And I think even
with like this whole you know,arrangement that they all had, like Ruby
still wasn't calling the shots there,you know what I mean, Like this
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was a deal between Sam and doctorAdams, Like and Ruby was just I
mean I think she I mean,obviously she was involved in operations, but
she was like a I don't wantto see like a piece of like one
of where the words I'm looking forher, Like she she had no one
to protect her, you know whatI mean, Like she was just there.
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Um, So Ruby had asked doctorAdams anyway, wait a minute before
I go go on or bring thatup, because it was almost like thought
that they were maybe having an affair, right, Um, I don't think
that was the case. Obviously shesaid it wasn't that he was raping her.
Um. And I think that goesinto like a lot of what's happening
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now or someone in power maybe itdidn't start off as I just feel like
she didn't have a choice in it, is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, because if she said no, what would have happened? Yeah,
you know, or he would havetaken it anyways exactly. So it's like
it's either you say no and reallybad things happen, yeah, or you
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just go along with it. Butyou're not really a willing participant. And
if she said no, what wouldhave happened? If she said no,
what would have happened to the business? Yeah? You know that's her livelihood
to take care of her children.Yeah, And so it's not consenting.
Still, No, it's not becausewhen someone in power like is forcing,
like pressuring you too, pressuring you, like, you do feel this pressure
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to do as they ask, right, because like he is now he's a
well whatever, they're in business together, and now he knows all their secrets
and he is a white man andhe does even though she's married to Sam,
Like Sam's still a black man,you know, like this doctor could
do anything to them. Yeah.Anyways, so Rubby had to ask doctor
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Adams to make it that make itso that she could no longer get pregnant,
and he told her no and insteadhad her committed to a mental hospital.
And this happened several times over andover again. So every time she
would ask to tie her tubes orwhatever they were doing, I don't know
what the pursudure was back then,he would tell her no, and then
she would get upset and then he'dgo, oh, you're crazy, you
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got to go away, yep,and then he shove her away. Ye.
Then Ruby got pregnant again and shepleaded with doctor Adams to get rid
of it, but he told herno and that he would not kill any
baby of his. So she toldhim that she would find another doctor that
would do it for her, andhe told her that if she did that
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that he would kill her. Then, rumor has it that Ruby received a
bill from the doctor's office with aone hundred sixteen dollar charge for a DNC.
Now, for those of you guysdon't don't know what a DNC is
it's dilation and curetage. I thinkI said that right. And if you
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don't know what that is, it'sa procedure to remove I sold us off
at the website. It's a procedureto remove tissue from inside your uterus.
And doctors it's an abortion. Yeah, so doctors perform it to diagnose and
treat certain uterine conditions such as heavyor to clear the uterine lining after miscarriage
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or abortion. There you go.So back to Ruby, she got the
charge for the DANC but the doctorhadn't performed one on her, so she
knew Sam had taken his mistress therefor one. Yeah, and we forgot
to tell you guys that Sam wasboning a teacher, Yes, so now
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you know. Anyways, when Rubyconfronted Sam about his mistress being pregnant,
he told her that she didn't haveany room to talk because she was pregnant
by the white doctor again, andthen told her that she wasn't going to
have that baby and if she did, he was gonna kill her. And
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these conversations are not confirmed, right, like, this was a long time
ago, but this is the waythat the story goes, which I believe
because I feel like she was liketo to rocket a hard place, you
know what I mean, Like andjust trying to survive. Yeah, and
everyone was starting to kill her.Yeah, she had to chose any of
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this. The doctor is threatening tokill her if she doesn't have the baby,
and then her husband Sam is threateningher if she does have the baby.
It's like, what is she supposedto do? You know, like
either way she's gonna die, Likeyeah, either way she's fucked. Yeah,
So like what what do you doin that situation? You know?
And Sam had been abusive with herin the past, like he had beat
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her. Yeah, and the doctorwas beating her all along and raping her,
so like, yeah, I couldunderstand snapping like she did, like
fuck, I gotta do something,you know, Um, I might have
snapped too. Hell yeah. Sothat's when oh actually, supposedly, allegedly
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the doctor had written on the bottomof that doctor or Adams had written on
the bottom of that bill, likethe bill for the DNC that um,
Sam needed to God already say.He said, control, control your bitch
or something. Yeah, you needto control your woman because she's out of
control. Now I'm sorry, Yeah, control your woman. Yeah, because
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she's over here acting crazier or whatever. And then so they think that's what
made her snap too, because she'slike, are you fucking kidding? Like,
I'm not crazy, Yeah, you'reI'm a victim, you know,
I don't. So that's when shemade the decision to go and shoot and
kill the doctor who you know,had raped her, pumped a full of
drugs and then threatened her life.And I better get it, I get
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it, I get it. Ruby'strial jury consisted of twelve all white mail
jers because black people couldn't be ajert you know, yeah in the jury
box, and most of these whitemail jers had been patience of doctor Adams.
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Now, Ruby was allowed to testifythat doctor Adams had raped her and
that she had his child, butshe wasn't allowed to say anything else,
like any more details of the situation. Yeah, I heard. I think
it was like thirty seven times theyasked her eight times. Thirty eight times,
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Yeah, asked your question and theyobjected, and she was never allowed
to answer or anything. Yeah,Like that's ridiculous. And at the end
of it all, she was foundguilty and sentenced to the electric chair after
spending eighteen months awaiting her death.She was granted a second trial, but
before she could get the chance togo back to court, the state of
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Florida ruled her unfit for trial,and she was sentenced to life in a
mental institution where she was subjected toelectric shock therapy and a constant drip of
thorazine, which is medication they treatschizophrenia with. She was held there until
nineteen seventy four, when her lawyerwas finally able to get her released.
She lived in a rest home inSilver Springs, Florida that was funded by
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author William Bradford Huey, who hadpaid her forty thousand dollars for the movie
rights to her story, and whenasked later about her story, Ruby had
no memory of what had happened,which is most likely due to all the
electric shock therapy she received. SamJunior was convicted in nineteen seventy five and
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federal corps on ten counts of gambling. Both of Ruby's daughters died, one
in nineteen seventy eight in a caraccident, and the other died of a
heart attack in nineteen seventy nine.May twenty third, nineteen ninety two,
at four forty five, Am RubyMcCullum died of a stroke at the age
of eighty two. And the mostheartbreaking part of this story, well,
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maybe Ruby didn't kill doctor Adams atall, because there had also been eyewitnesses
who said they saw a cop walkinto the doctor's office and shoot him.
But yeah, who is an easiertarget to blame for all of this than
the Black family with all of thecash. I think I wouldn't win for
them, right, Yeah, theytake the fall, we take the cash.
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I don't think she did it.I mean, you know what,
I wouldn't be surprised if she did. Yeah, I feel like, you
know, this is the way thatthe story has been told for so long,
that they showed up at her houseand she handed them the gun.
But we all know now in twentynineteen that cops, especially cops in the
South back then, did crooked assship, right, Yeah, Like they
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could have gone in there and beenlike you that whatever the cop that killed
him could have been like okay,now go blame them and let's take their
money. And then the next daySam's dead and Ruby's locked up for all
eternity getting tortured. Yeah, andI was gonna ask like why would she
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confess to it? Yeah, itdoesn't make sense. So maybe she did
kill him. Well no what I'msaying, but no, look at all
the false confessions we have now true. You know what if they're like we're
gonna kill your kids and we're gonnakill your husband, We're gonna do all
this stuff. And so maybe thecop got to her before the questions like
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this is like a little small podunktown, like it could have been a
whole you know what I mean,who knows? Who knows what happened?
I just know that. Okay,say, even she did kill him,
she didn't deserve the punishment that shegot. She didn't she should have walked
free, like she should have beenfree to go. This man raped and
beat her and had her put awayand drugged her like that's not that was
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self defense, like if you killyour attacker, like you you know,
whatever the hell? I can't thinkof words today, guys, It's fine,
I have no words. I don'tknow. It's just so hard because
like we don't know full facts.We know experiments, yeah, and allegations
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yeah, and rumors and rumors,and how much of this has been like
glorified to like make the story thatmuch more interesting, you know what I
mean, like exaggerated. Yeah,and I think that to like, this
country has a great way of hidingthe disgusting things that it's done. So
yeah, could it have been thatshe was absolutely one hundred percent innocent.
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They put her away, and theyput her in a mental institution, and
they continue to torture her for youknow, a good majority of her life.
But they're gonna go with, oh, no, she did it,
but let's blame the the doctor wasraping her, you know, I don't
know. I don't know, man, I'm kind of thinking she did it
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because I'm not surprised you have twopeople, or maybe it's a whole made
up story. I don't know,but scheme, I watch a documentary of
people that actually knew her and allthis shit. So I'm kind of leaning
more towards maybe it did happen.Yeah. But again, even if she
did kill him, I don't thinkshe's wrong doing it. Nah. I
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mean, you have two men threateningto kill you, Yeah, to do
totally two different things like either keepthe baby you get killed yet yeah yeah,
get rid of the baby, youget killed. Yeah, So what
do you do? You know,like, you can't run away because you
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have two other children at home,Yeah, two small you know, two
younger children at home to take careof. Yeah, and where and where
she gonna go? Like look atthe times, she's a black wo you
know what I mean? Like shehad no options for her Yeah, I
mean she could have went home tosee her family, to her family back
in Zuber right, Yeah, butwhat's going to stop them from what's going
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to stop them from coming coming toget her? Yeah? Or killer?
You know, like I did.I don't know. I guess we'll never
know the facts. You know,we'll never know what actually happened or who
actually killed doctor Adams. Maybe itwas Ruby. I'm leaning towards Ruby,
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but it could have been the copYeah, um that told Ruby to say
that she did it. Yeah,I don't know. Um, but yeah,
this is a crazy story. Yeahthat's crazy. And you and again
because it happened so long ago andeveryone that was involved is no longer around,
like how how do you? Andthen she didn't remember, so it's
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not like she couldn't even come backlater and be like this is what you
know what I mean? Like shejust didn't remember anymore. Yeah, because
they tortured her. And I thinkthat's the biggest thing that needs to come
out of this whole entire story,that she was a victim and she was
turned into a villain and sentenced tothe electric chair and then put in a
mental hospital and tortured like after beingraped and beaten. Yeah, like and
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beaten by her husband and doctor Adams. Yeah. So yeah, And it's
just crazy how well we always sayit here, guys, We've been saying
it for the past three years,that you're a woman, you're a woman
of color, like you're fucked.Yeah, and it's still the case today.
I mean, I don't think isas horrifically as it was back then,
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but it's still not right now,you know, crazy crazy story.
Yeah, and I totally forgot toshout out Jackie. Uh yes, Jackie
recommended this case to us. Ohthanks Jackie, thanks for getting your shout
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out at the end. Yeah.Actually, it's not because I forgot,
just because I didn't see it tillI looked at the calendar. Right now,
that's right, all right, isdiscussion time over? Um? Yeah,
I just I'm sad for a ruby, you know. Yeah, I'm
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very sad. I'm very miserable life. Yeah. What the things that she
went through in her life is veryheartbreaking to imagine. Yeah, and all
she wanted was a better life.Yeah, so that sucks. Yeah,
and then everybody in her family diedso tragically. You know what I mean?
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Like that sucks too. Anyways,all right, let's stop talking about
it. Okay, I'm dead talkingabout it all right. Now we're moving
on to stranger dangers, standard thing. Stranger danger, stranger danger. This
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is not a test. I repeat, this is not a test. You
better run all right. First up, we have a story from Shawnawn.
Hello, ladies, I just didsomething completely against my better judgment, but
I am alive. Good to know, good to know. I was having
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car problems and needed to ride homefrom work. After thirty minutes of my
husband saying I'm leaving right now,I just ordered a lift ride. Hmm,
sounds like a questionable husband move.The silver car pulled up and the
window rolled down, and a youngman asked if I was Shauna. Immediately
I double checked the driver on theapp. He saw me do so and
said, yeah, that's my mom. Woud its cool? Stupidly, I
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thought, okay, it's cool andgot in Oh my god, I feel
like this is how every horror moviestarted. Not every horror, but a
horror movie could start. Oh man. Then I ways down the road.
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He got off my normal route,and he had moved his phone from view
where I could previously see route.The route, the route. The route
was a route or route, whicheverway you want to see it, the
rude route. So I asked himif it told him to do that.
He showed me that it did.Then we got way off my normal route.
Oh no, roads I had neverseen. I had no idea where
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we were. I started thinking ofways out of the car and panicking every
time he adjusted his seat, thinkinghe was getting a weapon. Then it
got super close to my area whereI knew I was, and I thought,
why would he take me to myneighborhood to hurt me. We had
been driving for thirty minutes. Hecould have gone far away in that time.
I made at home. He said, have a good one. He
was a nice kid. But whyis his mom letting him drive for her?
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And of course, if it's notsupposed to, if it's not who
it's supposed to be, don't getin the fucking car. I'm so stupid.
I need to make a list formy husband of all my accounts and
logging info now because I cannot adultresponsibly. Thank you, ladies. Happy
holidays, Oh Shanna, Shanna,Shanna shot a shot Shanna. I can't
even touch shit because Justine gets intorandom people's cars where she thinks her car
(34:30):
but they cannot. No. Umwow, yeah, I feel like that
probably should have been reported. Iget it. He probably maybe he had
a a duy like they want abackground truck on you, right, So
you probably couldn't get hired as anuber lift driver, so he had his
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mom do it so that he coulddrive for her. But like, bru,
if there's a reason why uber liftis denying you, you shouldn't be
driving people around. Yes, sorry, Charlie, that's crazy. I've never
ran into that problem before. Yeah, that's scary. I don't honestly,
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I don't pay attention. What's wrongwith you? We've been doing this shit
for three years, You've been obsessedwith true crime for longer than that,
and I think you don't pay attention. You leave wait wait wait wait wait,
you sleep with your window open,you get into random cars. I
tell the cocks installment mad that Ilive by myself. Yes, what you
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know what I've learned nothing. I'velearned nothing. No, I guess it
goes to show. It goes toshow that it doesn't matter how much true
crime you watch or how much researchdo you listen to or do, it
could still be a real stupid.You could be stupid. No. I
don't ever lift or uber by myselflike I'm usually with like you and Scott
or like several other people. I'venever been in an uber or left by
(36:00):
myself, so I don't ever lookbecause I'm like whatever. Yeah, I
think I've done uber maybe like onceby myself, but that was like during
the day and I pay attention.So yeah, I'm just like, is
that it is at the same licenseplint Dope, that's my only requirement that
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I need to see that. That'swho's picking. Well maybe now you should
be paying attention to the driver,Justine. Yeah, Seanna, I think
you taught me a lesson today.Yeah, So thanks Shanna. Where to
go? Thanks Shanna, and I'mglad you didn't die. Same and happy
and happy holidays to you too,Shanna. Happy holidays all right. Next
story is from Antra. Thank youfor phonetically. Thank you for phonetically spelling
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your name out for me. Youare a real one. Yes, all
right. I like the subject bythe way, stranger danger straightened to the
point it's not telling me everything.It's leaving some kind of mystery, you
know. Yes, all right.A Natra says when I was sixteen,
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my thirteen year old friend and Iwere catching a ride with some strangers and
these guys decided they didn't want tolet us out. Dang straight, this
ship got like crazy real fast whenwe were episode. When we reached one
of Portland's busiest roads, I saidto my friend that they would have to
(37:34):
stop soon and we can just getout. So they pulled over and let
us out. Now, I knowyou might think that was a stranger danger,
but no, oh dang oh No, Okay. The next guy that
picked us up we needed a ridehome after all, seemed to be a
quiet and harmless fellow. And soafter our first kidnapping ish incident, I
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just wanted to go home. Whilewe were driving, I looked over and
noticed this guy was jacking off.Stop it. Wow, I think this
is our first in the car jackoff. That's great. I about freaked
out but I knew that my littlefriend, no matter how little she was,
would fly off the fucking handle ifshe had seen what I just saw.
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So I made the decision to keepquiet. As long as he kept
staring straight ahead as he did theentire time we were in the car,
I felt like he wasn't pushing hisperversion on us, so it wasn't so
it wasn't too much danger. Henever spoke a word to us or even
looked in our direction. He droppedus off where we wanted and we got
out. Then I told my friendwhat he was doing, and she wanted
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to run after the car and beatthe shit out of the guy. It
turned out to be a stranger,not so much danger. Maybe we were
just incredibly lucky, But this ismy stranger danger story. I know you
all are wondering why I wouldn't sayanything, but I felt like until he
turned his perving on us, wewere and who knew what the next people
to pick us to pick us upwould be. Like, I trusted my
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instincts and just looked out the windowuntil we got safely, safely home.
Some people are more stranger than danger. No, girl, that's danger.
This is stranger danger girl, dangerm Why were you taking rides from strangers?
Right? I like, I mean, I know we do that now
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on an app. Yeah, butjust like sort of like hitch hiking.
Are you hitch hiking down the road? Oh no, that is some scary
ass shit. Oh no, listen, any truck girl, what I'm glad
that you were unbothered by the factthat he didn't try to touch you.
Guys or I mean, that's great. I'm I'm glad that happened to you,
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that he was just touching, justtouching himself and not touching Still not
okay, okay out. It's neverokay to whip out your dick in front
of young teenagers. Yeah, andstart jacking off. That's disgusting. Yeah.
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Also, nitre, why why areyou taking rides from strangers? Why?
Home? They had to get home? You know what, I guess
you're you're alive, Yeah, andnothing that lived to tell another tale.
You love to tell your tale here, So that's great. And nothing happened,
nothing bad happened. You just sawa guy jacking off. So just
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like we've all witnessed, hopefully ina consensual, yeah, mutual sort of
situation. But I just so almostthree years of doing this shit, and
(40:57):
I think we've gotten so many,so many stories of men jacking off in
public. Yeah yeah, so it'slike, what is what's wrong? What's
wrong with these men where they thinkit's okay to whip their nasty dick out
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and start stroking it. Stop.I can't, I can't. It's discuming.
That's why we always say, justgo home and watch porn and jack
off in the safety of your ownhome. You know. Yeah, that's
cool too. Oh my gosh,what happened? Just hit my mic well
Anitra, thank you for your story. Yea, so glad you're okay,
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you know what. We're glad thatyou weren't scarred by this. Yeah that
had happened. Yeah, okay,next story, Justine. Yeah, your
turns from Christina. Hey, Christina, and this sense it's not really strang
your danger? Well what is it? Let's see where this goes. Hey,
(42:00):
ladies, I love the podcast.So this is not a stranger danger,
but more like why drugs are bad? All right, let's hear it.
I mean we already drugs are bad, yeah, but I mean I
feel like we could always use reminders. Yeah, okay, okay, So
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my brother was a free spirit.It would try anything. My brother died
last year, but this is notwhat killed him. Mental health is a
big thing and that is what tookhim. Oh, I'm sorry. The
day before, Yeah, so,the day before everything happened, my brother
was at the house with his friend. Before he left, I told him,
don't do anything stupid and get arrested. Well, the next day,
my mom gets a call from mybrother. He got arrested. He did
(42:44):
some drug. What happened was thathe thought that he was Jesus fucking Christ.
Also strip naked, and when thecops are trying to get him,
he caused more problems. He damagedthe cop car. They had to taste
him in the ass. Oh no, when my mom went to get him,
he wanted to show my mom hisass where he got taste. He
(43:07):
was proud of that. My brotherdid stupid ship. He had a good
heart. This kid likes to helppeople, even when he wasn't in a
good place. My brother committed suicide. Honestly, it's tough, but listening
to podcasts about murder has helped menot dwell on last year. I know
it's weird, but it helps,so thank you. Um We're very sorry
for a loss. I think,you know, we've Bertie and I have
(43:30):
said it here before, like weboth have addicts in our family, and
oh man, it's rough and mentoralhealth is it is a big thing.
Yeah, you know, and I'mglad that those cops TOAs your brother in
the button didn't you know, Ididn't try to you know, commit suicide
(43:53):
by by police. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm glad they just tasted him
and didn't freaking shoot him. Yeahtoo, m yeah, yeah, man.
Drugs are crazy. Yeah, andI think too, it's like a
lot of times when there's mental healthissues, like those people do turn to
(44:14):
drugs to self medicate, and that'sjust a vicious cycle, you know.
And this story is not Stranger Danger, but we're gonna share it here because
I mean, I think everyone haspeople in their their families that are affected,
you know, with or have beenaffected by suicide or by drug use
or you know whatever. The wholepoint of Stranger Danger was to create a
(44:37):
community here for everybody to join inon, and hopefully Christina's story, I
don't know, resonates with someone youknow. Yeah, um, oh man,
that's a toughie. Yeah. Well, thank you, Christina for your
story. Again, we're sorry foryour loss. Yeah, and we're glad
(44:58):
that you can. I mean,I know this not a great experience,
but I'm glad that we could laugha little about getting tasted in the butt,
because I feel like anybody getting tastein the butt deserves a little chuckle.
Okay, but we are thinking aboutyou and your brother and your family.
(45:20):
Yeah, we're glad that you candecompress here. Yeah, all right.
H next story is from anonymous.Hey, anonymous subject is stranger danger
dot dot dot. What the fuck? Really? Oh? So I have
(45:40):
two stranger dangers for you. Oneof them is really heavy and one may
just be paranoia in my own mind. Okay, ready HM. So for
my first one, it's rather disgusting, but an online occurrence, so no
face to face. I was onFacebook and this guy message me, who
I did not know. I wentto his page to see if we had
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any of the same friends, andit showed me that he had many,
that he had many friends in commonwith me. So, in that fear
that I had in fact met himbut could not remember, I went the
polite route and tried to play itoff with a what's up you know what.
I hate that shit, Like,fuck, do I know you?
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I wished I remember you? ShouldI feel bad about this dude. That
will revives me real quick. Thatreminds me. I went to summer with
a Scott's sister. We were drinkingand our sur gives us the check and
he's like, hey, He's like, you're Brittany right from LVA. And
(46:45):
I was like yeah, and he'slike, oh, I'm blah blah blah.
And I was like, oh,He's like we went to high school
together. And I was like,oh, okay, you probably He's like,
you probably don't remember me, andI was like, oh, I
don't know. Like I was like, well, it's been so many years
(47:07):
and I've got a lot of beers. Was one of the most awkward situations
that I was ever put in.But that's so funny. Yeah, okay,
back too then okay, sorry,okay, So conversation with this guy
on Facebook, Okay, so casualconversation. Then he started asking questions that
were kind of out there, thetypical nasty sending a picture of himself in
(47:30):
that standard lean back peace signed douchebagpose boy stuff doing that song. Right,
So I got this weird, feelinglike I need to exit this conversation
right now. He kept messaging me, messaging me about how he was just
trying to chat. He ended upsending a video. No oh no,
(47:52):
And I didn't have that expect expectationthat some dude who knew people who knew
me would be a total weirdo.Wrong. The video thumbnail was him and
a selfie pose. So still Iam thinking, this dude is gonna send
something funny. I don't know,ignorance. So I opened the video and
it's straight moves to him stroking hisown baby boner, a masturbation in this
(48:28):
it was like episode I think whatI'm laughing about? But it's a fucking
baby boner? Okay, like youwhat the flying fuck? I told him
how disgusting he was and to foff. Before I was able to block
him, he had sent me twomore videos. What the hell he had
them on hold or something. Anyways, I was stockpiled, I know,
(48:52):
just stockpiling fucking videos of him masturbatingpick oh god. Anyways, I ended
up telling one of my guy friends, who told me that there were a
few girls he did that too,and that and that won't be tolerated.
I have no idea what happened withthat, but for someone to have to
to have the balls to do thisto people who were in the same social
circles, the guy is a fuckingweirdo. Never heard from or about him
(49:15):
again, that's oh man, We'resorry that that happened to you. I
know, we're laughing. I've it'sjust so much safe too. It's just
so crazy like me. So it'slike J think he was like, oh,
I look extra good masturbating in thisvideo, so I'm gonna save it
(49:37):
for later, like like what areyou doing? Oh my god. It's
so funny that he had him likestockpiled. Oh my god. He had
like a file. He had afile with like different picture. It was
like something nice like flowers, sothat everyone looking at his phone wouldn't know
that that was a secret video masturbationfile. Oh my god, what's happened?
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Okay, here's a second, thesecond one. Okay. I was
going through a rough time in mylife. I had established and out of
control of drinking problem, full blown. I lost my job because I was
drunk at work, homeless, homelessbecause I couldn't pay my rent. So
all I had was my cars.Some clothes, don't judge. Life happens.
(50:25):
No judgement here, girl, ever, not at all. Okay,
So I was at this homeless shelter, and like I said, I had
a car. This really nice,polite guy who came off like a grandfather
said that he would pay me fortydollars to drive him to and from work
so he didn't have to take thebus. Seriously, that is what happened.
He started buying me booze and givingme money for what seemed like pity.
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But idiot over here, this dudelives in a homeless shelter, stranger
danger. However, drunk me lackedany common sense. Slowly I started blocking
out and not remembering what happened theday before, but he would get more
and I was cool with that.So one day we both were drinking,
killing time talking. Neither of uscould drive since we were intoxicated. So
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the guy worked as a roofer orsomething like that, and since you can't
come to the shelter drunk, hesuggested we go to his work site and
we could sleep it off. Okay, So, any sane person would be
screaming at themselves to run, butI was at the rock bottom of my
life and really did not care andwas happy to not be in the rain.
This was in January, so Ito this day I have no idea
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how we got there. I hadno recollection of what happened the night before,
but I woke up locked in mycar in the passenger seat with different
clothes on. He came up andknocked on the window, and I led
him into the car. I askedhim why I was in a different place,
and he said it was because Iwas cold. So fast forward a
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few hours toward the fog from thedrinking the night before wore off. I
got flashbacks of this overwhelming feeling offear, this visual of being act on
a cement floor, and one memoryof running in the dark to my car
and jumping into lockout. Whatever wasafter me. I felt my back and
there were scratches up and down.He tried to or did rape me,
(52:13):
I don't remember, so I don'treally know. I had a new pair
of clothes on because I had beenrunning through the street naked. Because he
took my clothes, I let theguy back in my car. I was
so low in my life that Ijust let it go. How pathetic right
to think you're so worthless someone couldtake advantage of you, and it was
okay. I ended up puking upblood and went to the ear. He
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drove me because I could not drivemyself. I walked into the ear and
when I walked out, I hadno phone, no money, no sweatshirt,
and my car gone with the dudenowhere in sight. He ended up
driving my car and got a duyand my car was impounded. Being broke
kind of makes it impossible in thosesituations to rectify it. I went to
the police station to report at stolen, but the officers said he had said
(52:59):
I was his girlfriend, and becauseI allowed him to drive and it couldn't
be stolen because we knew each other, I would have to pay five hundred
dollars to have them release it tome. They also said that if I
made a police report that I wouldbe put on the stand for making a
false police report. I also wastold that the name I knew him by
was not his name. Fast forwardtwo weeks. That guy walked into walked
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into the new shelter I was in. That was it. My fear took
me elsewhere. I got treatment.I am in school to be an alcohol
and drug counselor I'm welcomed into myfamily's home and I feel safe. You
have no idea how important safety isuntil you lose it. I still have
a distrust in men, but Ilearned that no matter the circumstances, it
(53:44):
was not my fault he violated me. No one has the right to do
that to a person under any circumstances. I want all the people that listen
to this podcast to know that itis not okay that they did that to
you. One year later, I'mstill sober. I'm working through those fears
and try to be present every day. Listening to this podcast, I feel
connected. It is easy to listenand detach yourself from the story, but
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I was one of the people somethinghappened too. I know what it's like
to think it will never happen tome. But we are all one minute
away from saying I can't believe thishappened to me. Trust your gut,
don't ignore the signs. Stay safeout there. Ah, Listen, life
is fucking hard. We all haveour vices that, in no way,
(54:27):
shape or form makes it okay foranyone to take advantage of you. Yeah,
but I'm glad that you know that. I hate that this guy got
her trust and then took advantage ofher. Yeah, it's a predator.
Yeah, exactly, he's a predator. And I think it's I think it's
extra disgusting when someone prays on someonethat's already struggling, you know what I
(54:50):
mean, Like they're struggling and they'realready vulnerable, vulnerable, and yeah,
take extra I mean, I knowthat happens a ton, but it's just
extra gross to me. All gross. Um. Yeah, well, hey,
congratulations on a year of sobriety.Yeah, I know that that is
no easy feat. So round ofapplies to you. Yeah, killing it,
(55:12):
killing it, killing it, umman, this world we live in,
Yeah, dude, crazy, We'resorry that this happened to you.
Yeah, while you're doing better andyou're in school and might go, you
know, yeah, kake an assand taking names. Hell yeah, okay,
(55:36):
Well that is it for stranger danger. Yeah, we are done forever,
just kidding. All right. Well, um, I think we said
it last episode that we're not takingany more stranger dangers, or are we?
If you want to send it in, you can send it in.
Yeah, I send it in becausemaybe what we'll do is we will do
(55:58):
a case the last episode, we'lljust do stranger don't. We'll figure it
out. Yeah danger, Yeah,if you want to get them in before
we go, Mum, if youwant to send in your stranger danger,
if you want to send them evenafterwards, you know what I mean,
like we'll read them. This emailaccountslant going anywhere. Um, they just
won't get right on the podcast.Yeah what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
(56:22):
send your stranger danger to It's aboutdamn Crime at gmail dot com.
Or you can send or you canhead over to It's about damn Crime dot
com. Click that Stranger Danger taba formal pop up, fill that baby
out and send it our way.Yeah, we'll get it and we just
might read it. Yeah. Thatwebsite should be there till February and then
(56:44):
we'll lose it. Yeah, butour email is not going anywhere because that's
just for free and we ain't gotto pay for it anyways. Preach.
Oh, we have one new fivestar review and we've been doing it this
whole time, so we're gonna keepdoing it. We're gonna read it,
you know. Read. This isfrom Shauna En titled I Laughed I cried,
(57:07):
I laughed. If you think podcastsshould be scripted or read like a
newspaper article, I ADC is notfor you. But if you want to
tumble down a bunch of rabbit holeswith too funny, relatable, intelligible,
intelligible bit I don't know, Idon't know intelligent we are no, I
don't think she can't even stay intelligent. Then he come to the right place.
(57:27):
I love that the host pretty interestedand sometimes Scott aren't comedians trying too
hard to make jokes and one upeach other. They're more like your funny
best friends who you want to getdrunk with and talk shit about how screwed
up the world is. They're notvery PC, but they are very compassionate
and highlight violence against people of color, the trans community, women and other
marginalized groups. Love these babes,Love you too, Yes, thank you
(57:50):
so much, Yes, thank you. I love when somebody calls us intelligent.
That doesn't happen a lot, Iknow, but it's hilarious, dumb
broad because it's like, I don'tfeel in intelligent. Justine can't even say
the word intelligent. I can't sayintelligent, but I know I'm fucking smart.
(58:10):
So does I want to say thatan interview where they're like, what's
your greatest quality? I'm fucking smart? I mean you are smart. I
am smart. You are smart.Um. I was gonna say, all
right, well, um, keepthe five stars coming? Yeah? Man,
why not even long after we're gone? Yeah, just keep them coming
(58:32):
dead in the ground all the timewhen we're in the desert. Oh that's
sad. All right. Well that'sit for this episode, right, are
there? Any um? I thinknext week I should be home, so
we should be doing this in persontogether for our last two episodes. Exciting,
(58:52):
and Scott will be on the lastepisode. Yes, we're gonna pull
him for the last time. Ialready talked him about it, so he'll
be on there. Okay, um, okay, guys, Well that's it
for us, right, Justine,anything else that you need to say?
You're ad? They just made afarting sound of my mouth? Do you
think everyone's gonna be offended? Idon't care, alright, that's it just
(59:20):
seeing you look like you're gonna saysomething. No, that's all I got.
I keep thinking like, oh Ihave I feel like I have something
to say, but I don't.I think I have things to say to
you personally, but not here.Okay, okay, okay, all right,
guys. We'll catch you next weekwith episode one twenty nine. Oh
it's the fun, all right,guys, have a good weekend. Hope
(59:50):
the rest of your week is awesome. We'll catch you next week. Until
then, Justine, remember get bustle. There's a a lot of desert out
there, which I'm saying to publicmasturbaders. There you go, beautiful at
(01:00:12):
home, beautiful all right, guys, we love you, love you,
bye, good bye.
Hi, everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode. If it's about damn crime where
two best friends get together and talkabout what Justine, what's this week?
What are we talking about this week? It's today it's messy um murder.
Yeah, well that's every week,well not every week. Sometimes we don't
(00:39):
talk about murder, but in thiscase, there's murder. Most of the
time we talk about murder, butsometimes we like to throw a little curveball
at you guys. Yeah, butthis is not one of those times I
do anymore. I'm just kidding.Anyways, I'm Brittany, I'm Justine,
and you're listening to episode one twentyeight. Oh shoot, we're inching closer
(01:06):
to that final one thirty episode thirty, and I just real quick, I
just want to say that I dolove all of the comments that I'm seeing
from you guys. I know youguys are the greatest. And will I
be crying in the final episode?Maybe probably, Maybe I'll tear up a
(01:27):
little bit, maybe my eyes willget watery. I don't know. I
can't see in the future. I'mnot psychic. Yeah. It also depends
on how drunk we get, becauseif we get super drunk, I'll be
like O in coherent Yeah, ablubbering myth maybe yeah, um, you
guys are so nice to us andwe love you. Yeah, we love
(01:51):
all you guys. Um, soanything else before we get started, before
we jump into this week's case.Dude, did you see that George Zimmerman
is soon? O? Y ohmy god, get a get out of
(02:13):
here, Like you're already so hated? Why you already killed their son?
Yeah? What like just stops?Yeah? Like if as if they haven't
been through enough, let's give themmore trouble and then, my god,
like I would say, ninety fivepercent of this world can't stand him already,
(02:38):
right, and so now you goand do this, Like what what
are you doing? Where you getact? I just can't on your hands.
My jaw dropped when I saw that, Yeah story, Like what the
fuck is? Yeah? Why wouldhe go after the family, Like if
you feel like you're a wrongfully triedor whatever, Like why aren't you going
(03:00):
after the lawyers? Yeah? Orlike I know he's doing like the their
authors or they created a documentary Idon't remember what it was, directors.
I mean they're in that lawsuit.He just like go after them? Why
are you going after this poor kid'sfamily, Like what did they do?
Yeah, it's just oh my god, the world we live in, I
(03:23):
know. Um, yeah, that'scrazy. So I'm trying to think of
any other stories that I've heard ofthis past week that I've just made my
jaw drop. I can think ofanything I look today to see, um
if because you know how I'm obsessedwith the Mixeday family order. Oh yeah,
(03:45):
merit is supposed to get sentenced thismonth, and so I'm like,
keep looking, keep looking, Ikeep looking on nothing yet. So hopefully
by the time we're done recording somewe'll have some sort of final conclusion.
Yeah, hopefully. It's been solong, like just sentence. I'm already
Jesus Christ. Just be done,you know, like us, just be
(04:09):
done. Be done. Oh allright, well are we ready to get
started? Yeah? I have noupdates. I have to pack and I
haven't packed anything yet, so yeah, you are moving back. It's so
annoying. Ah, I'm supposed tohave like one more week at work,
(04:30):
but I don't know if I'll makeit. There's a lot of shit happening
at Year's a lot of things goingdown. It's like very stressful. Yeah,
I wouldn't blame you if you didn'tmake it the last week. Yeah,
like, you know, we're gonnasee what happens tomorrow. Tomorrow.
Oh, let's played by your nightmare. See how you feel? Yeah,
(04:54):
all right, well already ready,let's do it. Okay, of why
(05:15):
I actually, before we get started, our dog is in the house right
now because it's raining outside and she'svery unruly, so she might pick up
in the background. Okay. Also, the kids are here, so it's
like extra noisy. Yeah, okay, here we go. Ruby Jackson was
(05:35):
born on August thirty first, nineteeno nine. She was the second born
of six kids to Gertrude and WilliamJackson in Zuber, Florida. Ruby was
a smart cookie, so her parentsdecided to send her to private school,
where she picked up bookkeeping and likereally kicked ass. So she was really
good at the math, you know, yeah, really good at the math.
Unlike the math was her skill.Yeah, I'm not good at the
(05:56):
math. We're not good at themath. No, no, no,
no, no, no, notat math. I got you two plus
two four, got it? Nailedthat, nailed that. If you ask
me to repeat my time stables pastten I don't think I could do it
now. In nineteen thirty one,Ruby married a man named Sam McCollum.
(06:18):
The two had met when Ruby wassinging in the church choir. They moved
to Nyack, New York, wherethey had a son named Sam Junior,
and they had a daughter. Innineteen thirty four, Ruby and Sam packed
up their family and moved to FortMyers, Florida, where Sam's brother Buck
lived and ran a gambling business ina game called Bolida. I feel like
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we talked about Bolida on like aPatron episode once when we were Talpaly when
we were talking about who do wedo the mob guy in Vegas? You
got me no idea what his nameis right now, I can't think of
it either anyway. So, butit is kind of like like I envisioned
it, like the lotto, youknow, small scale, but you pick
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numbers and if your number wins,you win. But of course you have
to buy in to pick numbers,right. Yeah, And it was highly
illegal at the time, not likehere now and the state of California were
the lotto is very legal and veryhuge. Yeah. Uh, Sam and
Buck weren't exactly on the straightened narrowobviously, what did we just say,
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they're involved in illegal gambling. Theonly thing that they did on the straight
and narrow was sell burial plots,but they decided to join forces, and
then they started also selling liquor,which was illegal at the time in the
county. But they were black mendoing illegal activities and making a ton of
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money, right, So how didthey do it? They paid off local
enforcement, right like local law enforcement, local politicians, where everyone was getting
paid out right yep. They alsoowned the largest tobacco farm in Florida,
which I mean, they were killingit, dude, I'm jealous. Make
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that money. And Sam and Rubythey bought a two story home in Live
Book, Florida, which was aplace that was still extremely segregated. But
the mccollumns didn't care. They sawit, they liked it, they wanted
it, they got it like theAriana Grande song. Oh no, no,
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all right. So not only werethey able to buy that nice ass
house, but every year Ruby gota new Chrysler to drive around town.
And Sam kept another farm they ownedstocked with quail so him and his prized
bird dogs could go hunting whenever theyfelt like it. Needless to say,
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the columns were pretty well off andRuby was described as the wealthiest black woman
in town. And all of thishas been a pretty normal beginning, right,
I mean, there's like a littlebit of shadiness going on. Yeah,
there's a little bit of illegal activityactivity taking place, you know,
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but this shit is about to startinto a lifetime movie. Yes, definitely
crazy. On August third, nineteenfifty two, Ruby packed up her two
youngest children into her car and droveto the office of doctor c Leroy Adams.
Doctor Adams was the most beloved doctorin the area. He serviced both
white and black patients, which washuge at the time, and that made
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people really like him. I thinkit made the black community really trust him.
And then he was like this.I feel like probably the white community
felt like he was doing charity work, you know what I mean. He
had also brought penicillin with him whenhe came to town was magically curing everyone
with antibiotics that no one had everheard about the time. So it was
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like, not only was he adoctor treating everyone equally, but he was
also curing people, which made himextra lived. Yeah. So anyway,
Ruby drove to his office and thenshot him four times and killed him.
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Then she left, changed her clothesand pretended like she had done nothing wrong.
After witnesses identified a wealthy looking blackwoman leaving the doctor's office, police
went to Ruby's home to question her, and she was there feeding her baby.
But after police found eighteen hundred dollarsin her purse for some reason no
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one will ever understand, Ruby handedover the gun and she was arrested.
Samose at church when he heard thenews that Ruby had been arrested for killing
everyone serve doctor. So he ranhome, packed up kids, grabbed the
valuables and all of the cash theyhad, and the little black book that
Ruby kept with all of the namesand dollar amounts that had been paid to
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the public officials to keep them quietabout their business. Supposedly that's what happened.
Anyways, There's a lot of stuffin this story where it's like,
because it happened so long ago,like we don't know what's fact or fiction
at this point. But I feellike this part of this story like makes
sense that she would have a record, right, Like, yeah, it
would be smart to have a record. Yeah. Then Sam took all the
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kids to Ruby's parents home and wheredo. They live by fether and Sam
Junior, their oldest son was studyingat UCLA at the time, so he
wasn't he wasn't home. He wasn'thome. Police obviously wanted to talk to
Sam, right because like, yourwife just killed someone, so we should
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probably talk to you. But thevery next day Sam was supposed to come
in and an interview with the police. But Sam was dead. Yeah,
and the official record is he diedof a heart attack. But a heart
attacked, No, just a heartattack. Um, that seems a little
odd. Yeah, like what arethe what are the odds? Yeah,
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that this shit happens and he's supposedto go get questioned by the police,
and then he mysteriously has a heartattack dies like they say he had a
heart attack. But yeah, nah, I don't think it was a heart
attack. I don't think I'm buyingit. No, definitely not no way.
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Now we're sure you all are thinking, why on earth did Ruby kill
Doctor Adams. Well I'm about totell you. Okay, six years earlier,
Ruby had become ill and so Samcalled doctor Adams to you know,
come down, because doctor Adams diddo house calls. So yeah, so
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Sam called doctor Adams. Doctor Adamscame down to the house to help her.
He came over with his miracle penicillinand gave her a shot and she
started feeling better. Now it's importantto note that doctor Adams had come from
a very super wealthy lineage, butsomewhere along the way his family had lost
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all of their money and doctor Adams, well, Doctor Adams wanted his money
back and he wanted power, sohe decided to go into politics. And
the McCollums they had the money,but it was the nineteen fifties and they
were a black couple and they werenever going to have the power. So
they struck a deal. The McCollumsbelieve a racket would fund doctor adams political
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campaign and in return, he wouldprotect the McCollum's illegal business. And at
the time of his doctor Adams wasstate Senator elect, so he had made
it their money had put him intooffice. Yes, so we all see
where this is going, right.Obviously something went wrong with the money.
Doctor Adams started demanding more money,or maybe the mccollumns were threatening to out
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him as being involved with their illegalgambling, and that would not have sat
well with all of his white voterswho were extremely gainst gambling. Maybe any
of those things, right, guys, right? Maybe? No? All
of that is wrong, Yeah,very wrong, very wrong, very very
very wrong. This is something socompletely different and extra disgusting. So one
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day, when her lawyer came tosee her in jail, Ruby was found
lean in her cell in a poolof blood. She had been three months
pregnant and had miscarried, but shewasn't carrying her now dead husband's baby.
She revealed that it was actually doctorAdam's baby, and at the first one
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she had conceived with him, becauseher youngest daughter also belonged to him,
Duta. And this murder wasn't alover quarrel's gone wrong because Ruby and doctor
Adam weren't lovers. Doctor Adams hadbeen helping himself to Ruby for the past
five years. Doctor Adams had repeatedlybeat and raped Ruby, and according to
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her, he would shoot her upwith something to make her sick, and
then shoot her up with something againto make her feel better. We know
now that it was probably coquen orheroine, and at the time Ruby had
developed like a horrible heroine addiction.Yeah, he got her addicted to that
ship. Yeah, from the amountof times that he was doping her up.
Yeah. Now, like we saidearlier, Florida was still a segregated
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state in the fifties and black peoplewere treated as second class citizens, which
of course met black women were treatedas even less. There's a there's a
long history of white men taking sexualadvantage of black women, going back to
slavery times when black women were rapedby their white owners because you know,
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they weren't people, they were property, which is very disgusting, yes,
but that's the way it was backYeah. Then. And I think even
with like this whole you know,arrangement that they all had, like Ruby
still wasn't calling the shots there,you know what I mean, Like this
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was a deal between Sam and doctorAdams, Like and Ruby was just I
mean I think she I mean,obviously she was involved in operations, but
she was like a I don't wantto see like a piece of like one
of where the words I'm looking forher, Like she she had no one
to protect her, you know whatI mean, Like she was just there.
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Um, So Ruby had asked doctorAdams anyway, wait a minute before
I go go on or bring thatup, because it was almost like thought
that they were maybe having an affair, right, Um, I don't think
that was the case. Obviously shesaid it wasn't that he was raping her.
Um. And I think that goesinto like a lot of what's happening
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now or someone in power maybe itdidn't start off as I just feel like
she didn't have a choice in it, is what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, because if she said no, what would have happened? Yeah,
you know, or he would havetaken it anyways exactly. So it's like
it's either you say no and reallybad things happen, yeah, or you
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just go along with it. Butyou're not really a willing participant. And
if she said no, what wouldhave happened? If she said no,
what would have happened to the business? Yeah? You know that's her livelihood
to take care of her children.Yeah, And so it's not consenting.
Still, No, it's not becausewhen someone in power like is forcing,
like pressuring you too, pressuring you, like, you do feel this pressure
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to do as they ask, right, because like he is now he's a
well whatever, they're in business together, and now he knows all their secrets
and he is a white man andhe does even though she's married to Sam,
Like Sam's still a black man,you know, like this doctor could
do anything to them. Yeah.Anyways, so Rubby had to ask doctor
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Adams to make it that make itso that she could no longer get pregnant,
and he told her no and insteadhad her committed to a mental hospital.
And this happened several times over andover again. So every time she
would ask to tie her tubes orwhatever they were doing, I don't know
what the pursudure was back then,he would tell her no, and then
she would get upset and then he'dgo, oh, you're crazy, you
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got to go away, yep,and then he shove her away. Ye.
Then Ruby got pregnant again and shepleaded with doctor Adams to get rid
of it, but he told herno and that he would not kill any
baby of his. So she toldhim that she would find another doctor that
would do it for her, andhe told her that if she did that
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that he would kill her. Then, rumor has it that Ruby received a
bill from the doctor's office with aone hundred sixteen dollar charge for a DNC.
Now, for those of you guysdon't don't know what a DNC is
it's dilation and curetage. I thinkI said that right. And if you
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don't know what that is, it'sa procedure to remove I sold us off
at the website. It's a procedureto remove tissue from inside your uterus.
And doctors it's an abortion. Yeah, so doctors perform it to diagnose and
treat certain uterine conditions such as heavyor to clear the uterine lining after miscarriage
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or abortion. There you go.So back to Ruby, she got the
charge for the DANC but the doctorhadn't performed one on her, so she
knew Sam had taken his mistress therefor one. Yeah, and we forgot
to tell you guys that Sam wasboning a teacher, Yes, so now
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you know. Anyways, when Rubyconfronted Sam about his mistress being pregnant,
he told her that she didn't haveany room to talk because she was pregnant
by the white doctor again, andthen told her that she wasn't going to
have that baby and if she did, he was gonna kill her. And
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these conversations are not confirmed, right, like, this was a long time
ago, but this is the waythat the story goes, which I believe
because I feel like she was liketo to rocket a hard place, you
know what I mean, Like andjust trying to survive. Yeah, and
everyone was starting to kill her.Yeah, she had to chose any of
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this. The doctor is threatening tokill her if she doesn't have the baby,
and then her husband Sam is threateningher if she does have the baby.
It's like, what is she supposedto do? You know, like
either way she's gonna die, Likeyeah, either way she's fucked. Yeah,
So like what what do you doin that situation? You know?
And Sam had been abusive with herin the past, like he had beat
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her. Yeah, and the doctorwas beating her all along and raping her,
so like, yeah, I couldunderstand snapping like she did, like
fuck, I gotta do something,you know, Um, I might have
snapped too. Hell yeah. Sothat's when oh actually, supposedly, allegedly
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the doctor had written on the bottomof that doctor or Adams had written on
the bottom of that bill, likethe bill for the DNC that um,
Sam needed to God already say.He said, control, control your bitch
or something. Yeah, you needto control your woman because she's out of
control. Now I'm sorry, Yeah, control your woman. Yeah, because
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she's over here acting crazier or whatever. And then so they think that's what
made her snap too, because she'slike, are you fucking kidding? Like,
I'm not crazy, Yeah, you'reI'm a victim, you know,
I don't. So that's when shemade the decision to go and shoot and
kill the doctor who you know,had raped her, pumped a full of
drugs and then threatened her life.And I better get it, I get
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it, I get it. Ruby'strial jury consisted of twelve all white mail
jers because black people couldn't be ajert you know, yeah in the jury
box, and most of these whitemail jers had been patience of doctor Adams.
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Now, Ruby was allowed to testifythat doctor Adams had raped her and
that she had his child, butshe wasn't allowed to say anything else,
like any more details of the situation. Yeah, I heard. I think
it was like thirty seven times theyasked her eight times. Thirty eight times,
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Yeah, asked your question and theyobjected, and she was never allowed
to answer or anything. Yeah,Like that's ridiculous. And at the end
of it all, she was foundguilty and sentenced to the electric chair after
spending eighteen months awaiting her death.She was granted a second trial, but
before she could get the chance togo back to court, the state of
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Florida ruled her unfit for trial,and she was sentenced to life in a
mental institution where she was subjected toelectric shock therapy and a constant drip of
thorazine, which is medication they treatschizophrenia with. She was held there until
nineteen seventy four, when her lawyerwas finally able to get her released.
She lived in a rest home inSilver Springs, Florida that was funded by
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author William Bradford Huey, who hadpaid her forty thousand dollars for the movie
rights to her story, and whenasked later about her story, Ruby had
no memory of what had happened,which is most likely due to all the
electric shock therapy she received. SamJunior was convicted in nineteen seventy five and
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federal corps on ten counts of gambling. Both of Ruby's daughters died, one
in nineteen seventy eight in a caraccident, and the other died of a
heart attack in nineteen seventy nine.May twenty third, nineteen ninety two,
at four forty five, Am RubyMcCullum died of a stroke at the age
of eighty two. And the mostheartbreaking part of this story, well,
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maybe Ruby didn't kill doctor Adams atall, because there had also been eyewitnesses
who said they saw a cop walkinto the doctor's office and shoot him.
But yeah, who is an easiertarget to blame for all of this than
the Black family with all of thecash. I think I wouldn't win for
them, right, Yeah, theytake the fall, we take the cash.
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I don't think she did it.I mean, you know what,
I wouldn't be surprised if she did. Yeah, I feel like, you
know, this is the way thatthe story has been told for so long,
that they showed up at her houseand she handed them the gun.
But we all know now in twentynineteen that cops, especially cops in the
South back then, did crooked assship, right, Yeah, Like they
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could have gone in there and beenlike you that whatever the cop that killed
him could have been like okay,now go blame them and let's take their
money. And then the next daySam's dead and Ruby's locked up for all
eternity getting tortured. Yeah, andI was gonna ask like why would she
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confess to it? Yeah, itdoesn't make sense. So maybe she did
kill him. Well no what I'msaying, but no, look at all
the false confessions we have now true. You know what if they're like we're
gonna kill your kids and we're gonnakill your husband, We're gonna do all
this stuff. And so maybe thecop got to her before the questions like
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this is like a little small podunktown, like it could have been a
whole you know what I mean,who knows? Who knows what happened?
I just know that. Okay,say, even she did kill him,
she didn't deserve the punishment that shegot. She didn't she should have walked
free, like she should have beenfree to go. This man raped and
beat her and had her put awayand drugged her like that's not that was
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self defense, like if you killyour attacker, like you you know,
whatever the hell? I can't thinkof words today, guys, It's fine,
I have no words. I don'tknow. It's just so hard because
like we don't know full facts.We know experiments, yeah, and allegations
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yeah, and rumors and rumors,and how much of this has been like
glorified to like make the story thatmuch more interesting, you know what I
mean, like exaggerated. Yeah,and I think that to like, this
country has a great way of hidingthe disgusting things that it's done. So
yeah, could it have been thatshe was absolutely one hundred percent innocent.
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They put her away, and theyput her in a mental institution, and
they continue to torture her for youknow, a good majority of her life.
But they're gonna go with, oh, no, she did it,
but let's blame the the doctor wasraping her, you know, I don't
know. I don't know, man, I'm kind of thinking she did it
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because I'm not surprised you have twopeople, or maybe it's a whole made
up story. I don't know,but scheme, I watch a documentary of
people that actually knew her and allthis shit. So I'm kind of leaning
more towards maybe it did happen.Yeah. But again, even if she
did kill him, I don't thinkshe's wrong doing it. Nah. I
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mean, you have two men threateningto kill you, Yeah, to do
totally two different things like either keepthe baby you get killed yet yeah yeah,
get rid of the baby, youget killed. Yeah, So what
do you do? You know,like, you can't run away because you
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have two other children at home,Yeah, two small you know, two
younger children at home to take careof. Yeah, and where and where
she gonna go? Like look atthe times, she's a black wo you
know what I mean? Like shehad no options for her Yeah, I
mean she could have went home tosee her family, to her family back
in Zuber right, Yeah, butwhat's going to stop them from what's going
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to stop them from coming coming toget her? Yeah? Or killer?
You know, like I did.I don't know. I guess we'll never
know the facts. You know,we'll never know what actually happened or who
actually killed doctor Adams. Maybe itwas Ruby. I'm leaning towards Ruby,
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but it could have been the copYeah, um that told Ruby to say
that she did it. Yeah,I don't know. Um, but yeah,
this is a crazy story. Yeahthat's crazy. And you and again
because it happened so long ago andeveryone that was involved is no longer around,
like how how do you? Andthen she didn't remember, so it's
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not like she couldn't even come backlater and be like this is what you
know what I mean? Like shejust didn't remember anymore. Yeah, because
they tortured her. And I thinkthat's the biggest thing that needs to come
out of this whole entire story,that she was a victim and she was
turned into a villain and sentenced tothe electric chair and then put in a
mental hospital and tortured like after beingraped and beaten. Yeah, like and
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beaten by her husband and doctor Adams. Yeah. So yeah, And it's
just crazy how well we always sayit here, guys, We've been saying
it for the past three years,that you're a woman, you're a woman
of color, like you're fucked.Yeah, and it's still the case today.
I mean, I don't think isas horrifically as it was back then,
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but it's still not right now,you know, crazy crazy story.
Yeah, and I totally forgot toshout out Jackie. Uh yes, Jackie
recommended this case to us. Ohthanks Jackie, thanks for getting your shout
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out at the end. Yeah.Actually, it's not because I forgot,
just because I didn't see it tillI looked at the calendar. Right now,
that's right, all right, isdiscussion time over? Um? Yeah,
I just I'm sad for a ruby, you know. Yeah, I'm
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very sad. I'm very miserable life. Yeah. What the things that she
went through in her life is veryheartbreaking to imagine. Yeah, and all
she wanted was a better life.Yeah, so that sucks. Yeah,
and then everybody in her family diedso tragically. You know what I mean?
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Like that sucks too. Anyways,all right, let's stop talking about
it. Okay, I'm dead talkingabout it all right. Now we're moving
on to stranger dangers, standard thing. Stranger danger, stranger danger. This
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is not a test. I repeat, this is not a test. You
better run all right. First up, we have a story from Shawnawn.
Hello, ladies, I just didsomething completely against my better judgment, but
I am alive. Good to know, good to know. I was having
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car problems and needed to ride homefrom work. After thirty minutes of my
husband saying I'm leaving right now,I just ordered a lift ride. Hmm,
sounds like a questionable husband move.The silver car pulled up and the
window rolled down, and a youngman asked if I was Shauna. Immediately
I double checked the driver on theapp. He saw me do so and
said, yeah, that's my mom. Woud its cool? Stupidly, I
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thought, okay, it's cool andgot in Oh my god, I feel
like this is how every horror moviestarted. Not every horror, but a
horror movie could start. Oh man. Then I ways down the road.
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He got off my normal route,and he had moved his phone from view
where I could previously see route.The route, the route. The route
was a route or route, whicheverway you want to see it, the
rude route. So I asked himif it told him to do that.
He showed me that it did.Then we got way off my normal route.
Oh no, roads I had neverseen. I had no idea where
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we were. I started thinking ofways out of the car and panicking every
time he adjusted his seat, thinkinghe was getting a weapon. Then it
got super close to my area whereI knew I was, and I thought,
why would he take me to myneighborhood to hurt me. We had
been driving for thirty minutes. Hecould have gone far away in that time.
I made at home. He said, have a good one. He
was a nice kid. But whyis his mom letting him drive for her?
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And of course, if it's notsupposed to, if it's not who
it's supposed to be, don't getin the fucking car. I'm so stupid.
I need to make a list formy husband of all my accounts and
logging info now because I cannot adultresponsibly. Thank you, ladies. Happy
holidays, Oh Shanna, Shanna,Shanna shot a shot Shanna. I can't
even touch shit because Justine gets intorandom people's cars where she thinks her car
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but they cannot. No. Umwow, yeah, I feel like that
probably should have been reported. Iget it. He probably maybe he had
a a duy like they want abackground truck on you, right, So
you probably couldn't get hired as anuber lift driver, so he had his
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mom do it so that he coulddrive for her. But like, bru,
if there's a reason why uber liftis denying you, you shouldn't be
driving people around. Yes, sorry, Charlie, that's crazy. I've never
ran into that problem before. Yeah, that's scary. I don't honestly,
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I don't pay attention. What's wrongwith you? We've been doing this shit
for three years, You've been obsessedwith true crime for longer than that,
and I think you don't pay attention. You leave wait wait wait wait wait,
you sleep with your window open,you get into random cars. I
tell the cocks installment mad that Ilive by myself. Yes, what you
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know what I've learned nothing. I'velearned nothing. No, I guess it
goes to show. It goes toshow that it doesn't matter how much true
crime you watch or how much researchdo you listen to or do, it
could still be a real stupid.You could be stupid. No. I
don't ever lift or uber by myselflike I'm usually with like you and Scott
or like several other people. I'venever been in an uber or left by
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myself, so I don't ever lookbecause I'm like whatever. Yeah, I
think I've done uber maybe like onceby myself, but that was like during
the day and I pay attention.So yeah, I'm just like, is
that it is at the same licenseplint Dope, that's my only requirement that
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I need to see that. That'swho's picking. Well maybe now you should
be paying attention to the driver,Justine. Yeah, Seanna, I think
you taught me a lesson today.Yeah, So thanks Shanna. Where to
go? Thanks Shanna, and I'mglad you didn't die. Same and happy
and happy holidays to you too,Shanna. Happy holidays all right. Next
story is from Antra. Thank youfor phonetically. Thank you for phonetically spelling
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your name out for me. Youare a real one. Yes, all
right. I like the subject bythe way, stranger danger straightened to the
point it's not telling me everything.It's leaving some kind of mystery, you
know. Yes, all right.A Natra says when I was sixteen,
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my thirteen year old friend and Iwere catching a ride with some strangers and
these guys decided they didn't want tolet us out. Dang straight, this
ship got like crazy real fast whenwe were episode. When we reached one
of Portland's busiest roads, I saidto my friend that they would have to
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stop soon and we can just getout. So they pulled over and let
us out. Now, I knowyou might think that was a stranger danger,
but no, oh dang oh No, Okay. The next guy that
picked us up we needed a ridehome after all, seemed to be a
quiet and harmless fellow. And soafter our first kidnapping ish incident, I
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just wanted to go home. Whilewe were driving, I looked over and
noticed this guy was jacking off.Stop it. Wow, I think this
is our first in the car jackoff. That's great. I about freaked
out but I knew that my littlefriend, no matter how little she was,
would fly off the fucking handle ifshe had seen what I just saw.
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So I made the decision to keepquiet. As long as he kept
staring straight ahead as he did theentire time we were in the car,
I felt like he wasn't pushing hisperversion on us, so it wasn't so
it wasn't too much danger. Henever spoke a word to us or even
looked in our direction. He droppedus off where we wanted and we got
out. Then I told my friendwhat he was doing, and she wanted
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to run after the car and beatthe shit out of the guy. It
turned out to be a stranger,not so much danger. Maybe we were
just incredibly lucky, But this ismy stranger danger story. I know you
all are wondering why I wouldn't sayanything, but I felt like until he
turned his perving on us, wewere and who knew what the next people
to pick us to pick us upwould be. Like, I trusted my
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instincts and just looked out the windowuntil we got safely, safely home.
Some people are more stranger than danger. No, girl, that's danger.
This is stranger danger girl, dangerm Why were you taking rides from strangers?
Right? I like, I mean, I know we do that now
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on an app. Yeah, butjust like sort of like hitch hiking.
Are you hitch hiking down the road? Oh no, that is some scary
ass shit. Oh no, listen, any truck girl, what I'm glad
that you were unbothered by the factthat he didn't try to touch you.
Guys or I mean, that's great. I'm I'm glad that happened to you,
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that he was just touching, justtouching himself and not touching Still not
okay, okay out. It's neverokay to whip out your dick in front
of young teenagers. Yeah, andstart jacking off. That's disgusting. Yeah.
(40:13):
Also, nitre, why why areyou taking rides from strangers? Why?
Home? They had to get home? You know what, I guess
you're you're alive, Yeah, andnothing that lived to tell another tale.
You love to tell your tale here, So that's great. And nothing happened,
nothing bad happened. You just sawa guy jacking off. So just
(40:37):
like we've all witnessed, hopefully ina consensual, yeah, mutual sort of
situation. But I just so almostthree years of doing this shit, and
(40:57):
I think we've gotten so many,so many stories of men jacking off in
public. Yeah yeah, so it'slike, what is what's wrong? What's
wrong with these men where they thinkit's okay to whip their nasty dick out
(41:17):
and start stroking it. Stop.I can't, I can't. It's discuming.
That's why we always say, justgo home and watch porn and jack
off in the safety of your ownhome. You know. Yeah, that's
cool too. Oh my gosh,what happened? Just hit my mic well
Anitra, thank you for your story. Yea, so glad you're okay,
(41:37):
you know what. We're glad thatyou weren't scarred by this. Yeah that
had happened. Yeah, okay,next story, Justine. Yeah, your
turns from Christina. Hey, Christina, and this sense it's not really strang
your danger? Well what is it? Let's see where this goes. Hey,
(42:00):
ladies, I love the podcast.So this is not a stranger danger,
but more like why drugs are bad? All right, let's hear it.
I mean we already drugs are bad, yeah, but I mean I
feel like we could always use reminders. Yeah, okay, okay, So
(42:22):
my brother was a free spirit.It would try anything. My brother died
last year, but this is notwhat killed him. Mental health is a
big thing and that is what tookhim. Oh, I'm sorry. The
day before, Yeah, so,the day before everything happened, my brother
was at the house with his friend. Before he left, I told him,
don't do anything stupid and get arrested. Well, the next day,
my mom gets a call from mybrother. He got arrested. He did
(42:44):
some drug. What happened was thathe thought that he was Jesus fucking Christ.
Also strip naked, and when thecops are trying to get him,
he caused more problems. He damagedthe cop car. They had to taste
him in the ass. Oh no, when my mom went to get him,
he wanted to show my mom hisass where he got taste. He
(43:07):
was proud of that. My brotherdid stupid ship. He had a good
heart. This kid likes to helppeople, even when he wasn't in a
good place. My brother committed suicide. Honestly, it's tough, but listening
to podcasts about murder has helped menot dwell on last year. I know
it's weird, but it helps,so thank you. Um We're very sorry
for a loss. I think,you know, we've Bertie and I have
(43:30):
said it here before, like weboth have addicts in our family, and
oh man, it's rough and mentoralhealth is it is a big thing.
Yeah, you know, and I'mglad that those cops TOAs your brother in
the button didn't you know, Ididn't try to you know, commit suicide
(43:53):
by by police. Yeah. Yeah, well I'm glad they just tasted him
and didn't freaking shoot him. Yeahtoo, m yeah, yeah, man.
Drugs are crazy. Yeah, andI think too, it's like a
lot of times when there's mental healthissues, like those people do turn to
(44:14):
drugs to self medicate, and that'sjust a vicious cycle, you know.
And this story is not Stranger Danger, but we're gonna share it here because
I mean, I think everyone haspeople in their their families that are affected,
you know, with or have beenaffected by suicide or by drug use
or you know whatever. The wholepoint of Stranger Danger was to create a
(44:37):
community here for everybody to join inon, and hopefully Christina's story, I
don't know, resonates with someone youknow. Yeah, um, oh man,
that's a toughie. Yeah. Well, thank you, Christina for your
story. Again, we're sorry foryour loss. Yeah, and we're glad
(44:58):
that you can. I mean,I know this not a great experience,
but I'm glad that we could laugha little about getting tasted in the butt,
because I feel like anybody getting tastein the butt deserves a little chuckle.
Okay, but we are thinking aboutyou and your brother and your family.
(45:20):
Yeah, we're glad that you candecompress here. Yeah, all right.
H next story is from anonymous.Hey, anonymous subject is stranger danger
dot dot dot. What the fuck? Really? Oh? So I have
(45:40):
two stranger dangers for you. Oneof them is really heavy and one may
just be paranoia in my own mind. Okay, ready HM. So for
my first one, it's rather disgusting, but an online occurrence, so no
face to face. I was onFacebook and this guy message me, who
I did not know. I wentto his page to see if we had
(46:02):
any of the same friends, andit showed me that he had many,
that he had many friends in commonwith me. So, in that fear
that I had in fact met himbut could not remember, I went the
polite route and tried to play itoff with a what's up you know what.
I hate that shit, Like,fuck, do I know you?
(46:24):
I wished I remember you? ShouldI feel bad about this dude. That
will revives me real quick. Thatreminds me. I went to summer with
a Scott's sister. We were drinkingand our sur gives us the check and
he's like, hey, He's like, you're Brittany right from LVA. And
(46:45):
I was like yeah, and he'slike, oh, I'm blah blah blah.
And I was like, oh,He's like we went to high school
together. And I was like,oh, okay, you probably He's like,
you probably don't remember me, andI was like, oh, I
don't know. Like I was like, well, it's been so many years
(47:07):
and I've got a lot of beers. Was one of the most awkward situations
that I was ever put in.But that's so funny. Yeah, okay,
back too then okay, sorry,okay, So conversation with this guy
on Facebook, Okay, so casualconversation. Then he started asking questions that
were kind of out there, thetypical nasty sending a picture of himself in
(47:30):
that standard lean back peace signed douchebagpose boy stuff doing that song. Right,
So I got this weird, feelinglike I need to exit this conversation
right now. He kept messaging me, messaging me about how he was just
trying to chat. He ended upsending a video. No oh no,
(47:52):
And I didn't have that expect expectationthat some dude who knew people who knew
me would be a total weirdo.Wrong. The video thumbnail was him and
a selfie pose. So still Iam thinking, this dude is gonna send
something funny. I don't know,ignorance. So I opened the video and
it's straight moves to him stroking hisown baby boner, a masturbation in this
(48:28):
it was like episode I think whatI'm laughing about? But it's a fucking
baby boner? Okay, like youwhat the flying fuck? I told him
how disgusting he was and to foff. Before I was able to block
him, he had sent me twomore videos. What the hell he had
them on hold or something. Anyways, I was stockpiled, I know,
(48:52):
just stockpiling fucking videos of him masturbatingpick oh god. Anyways, I ended
up telling one of my guy friends, who told me that there were a
few girls he did that too,and that and that won't be tolerated.
I have no idea what happened withthat, but for someone to have to
to have the balls to do thisto people who were in the same social
circles, the guy is a fuckingweirdo. Never heard from or about him
(49:15):
again, that's oh man, We'resorry that that happened to you. I
know, we're laughing. I've it'sjust so much safe too. It's just
so crazy like me. So it'slike J think he was like, oh,
I look extra good masturbating in thisvideo, so I'm gonna save it
(49:37):
for later, like like what areyou doing? Oh my god. It's
so funny that he had him likestockpiled. Oh my god. He had
like a file. He had afile with like different picture. It was
like something nice like flowers, sothat everyone looking at his phone wouldn't know
that that was a secret video masturbationfile. Oh my god, what's happened?
(50:04):
Okay, here's a second, thesecond one. Okay. I was
going through a rough time in mylife. I had established and out of
control of drinking problem, full blown. I lost my job because I was
drunk at work, homeless, homelessbecause I couldn't pay my rent. So
all I had was my cars.Some clothes, don't judge. Life happens.
(50:25):
No judgement here, girl, ever, not at all. Okay,
So I was at this homeless shelter, and like I said, I had
a car. This really nice,polite guy who came off like a grandfather
said that he would pay me fortydollars to drive him to and from work
so he didn't have to take thebus. Seriously, that is what happened.
He started buying me booze and givingme money for what seemed like pity.
(50:46):
But idiot over here, this dudelives in a homeless shelter, stranger
danger. However, drunk me lackedany common sense. Slowly I started blocking
out and not remembering what happened theday before, but he would get more
and I was cool with that.So one day we both were drinking,
killing time talking. Neither of uscould drive since we were intoxicated. So
(51:09):
the guy worked as a roofer orsomething like that, and since you can't
come to the shelter drunk, hesuggested we go to his work site and
we could sleep it off. Okay, So, any sane person would be
screaming at themselves to run, butI was at the rock bottom of my
life and really did not care andwas happy to not be in the rain.
This was in January, so Ito this day I have no idea
(51:30):
how we got there. I hadno recollection of what happened the night before,
but I woke up locked in mycar in the passenger seat with different
clothes on. He came up andknocked on the window, and I led
him into the car. I askedhim why I was in a different place,
and he said it was because Iwas cold. So fast forward a
(51:51):
few hours toward the fog from thedrinking the night before wore off. I
got flashbacks of this overwhelming feeling offear, this visual of being act on
a cement floor, and one memoryof running in the dark to my car
and jumping into lockout. Whatever wasafter me. I felt my back and
there were scratches up and down.He tried to or did rape me,
(52:13):
I don't remember, so I don'treally know. I had a new pair
of clothes on because I had beenrunning through the street naked. Because he
took my clothes, I let theguy back in my car. I was
so low in my life that Ijust let it go. How pathetic right
to think you're so worthless someone couldtake advantage of you, and it was
okay. I ended up puking upblood and went to the ear. He
(52:36):
drove me because I could not drivemyself. I walked into the ear and
when I walked out, I hadno phone, no money, no sweatshirt,
and my car gone with the dudenowhere in sight. He ended up
driving my car and got a duyand my car was impounded. Being broke
kind of makes it impossible in thosesituations to rectify it. I went to
the police station to report at stolen, but the officers said he had said
(52:59):
I was his girlfriend, and becauseI allowed him to drive and it couldn't
be stolen because we knew each other, I would have to pay five hundred
dollars to have them release it tome. They also said that if I
made a police report that I wouldbe put on the stand for making a
false police report. I also wastold that the name I knew him by
was not his name. Fast forwardtwo weeks. That guy walked into walked
(53:24):
into the new shelter I was in. That was it. My fear took
me elsewhere. I got treatment.I am in school to be an alcohol
and drug counselor I'm welcomed into myfamily's home and I feel safe. You
have no idea how important safety isuntil you lose it. I still have
a distrust in men, but Ilearned that no matter the circumstances, it
(53:44):
was not my fault he violated me. No one has the right to do
that to a person under any circumstances. I want all the people that listen
to this podcast to know that itis not okay that they did that to
you. One year later, I'mstill sober. I'm working through those fears
and try to be present every day. Listening to this podcast, I feel
connected. It is easy to listenand detach yourself from the story, but
(54:06):
I was one of the people somethinghappened too. I know what it's like
to think it will never happen tome. But we are all one minute
away from saying I can't believe thishappened to me. Trust your gut,
don't ignore the signs. Stay safeout there. Ah, Listen, life
is fucking hard. We all haveour vices that, in no way,
(54:27):
shape or form makes it okay foranyone to take advantage of you. Yeah,
but I'm glad that you know that. I hate that this guy got
her trust and then took advantage ofher. Yeah, it's a predator.
Yeah, exactly, he's a predator. And I think it's I think it's
extra disgusting when someone prays on someonethat's already struggling, you know what I
(54:50):
mean, Like they're struggling and they'realready vulnerable, vulnerable, and yeah,
take extra I mean, I knowthat happens a ton, but it's just
extra gross to me. All gross. Um. Yeah, well, hey,
congratulations on a year of sobriety.Yeah, I know that that is
no easy feat. So round ofapplies to you. Yeah, killing it,
(55:12):
killing it, killing it, umman, this world we live in,
Yeah, dude, crazy, We'resorry that this happened to you.
Yeah, while you're doing better andyou're in school and might go, you
know, yeah, kake an assand taking names. Hell yeah, okay,
(55:36):
Well that is it for stranger danger. Yeah, we are done forever,
just kidding. All right. Well, um, I think we said
it last episode that we're not takingany more stranger dangers, or are we?
If you want to send it in, you can send it in.
Yeah, I send it in becausemaybe what we'll do is we will do
(55:58):
a case the last episode, we'lljust do stranger don't. We'll figure it
out. Yeah danger, Yeah,if you want to get them in before
we go, Mum, if youwant to send in your stranger danger,
if you want to send them evenafterwards, you know what I mean,
like we'll read them. This emailaccountslant going anywhere. Um, they just
won't get right on the podcast.Yeah what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah,
(56:22):
send your stranger danger to It's aboutdamn Crime at gmail dot com.
Or you can send or you canhead over to It's about damn Crime dot
com. Click that Stranger Danger taba formal pop up, fill that baby
out and send it our way.Yeah, we'll get it and we just
might read it. Yeah. Thatwebsite should be there till February and then
(56:44):
we'll lose it. Yeah, butour email is not going anywhere because that's
just for free and we ain't gotto pay for it anyways. Preach.
Oh, we have one new fivestar review and we've been doing it this
whole time, so we're gonna keepdoing it. We're gonna read it,
you know. Read. This isfrom Shauna En titled I Laughed I cried,
(57:07):
I laughed. If you think podcastsshould be scripted or read like a
newspaper article, I ADC is notfor you. But if you want to
tumble down a bunch of rabbit holeswith too funny, relatable, intelligible,
intelligible bit I don't know, Idon't know intelligent we are no, I
don't think she can't even stay intelligent. Then he come to the right place.
(57:27):
I love that the host pretty interestedand sometimes Scott aren't comedians trying too
hard to make jokes and one upeach other. They're more like your funny
best friends who you want to getdrunk with and talk shit about how screwed
up the world is. They're notvery PC, but they are very compassionate
and highlight violence against people of color, the trans community, women and other
marginalized groups. Love these babes,Love you too, Yes, thank you
(57:50):
so much, Yes, thank you. I love when somebody calls us intelligent.
That doesn't happen a lot, Iknow, but it's hilarious, dumb
broad because it's like, I don'tfeel in intelligent. Justine can't even say
the word intelligent. I can't sayintelligent, but I know I'm fucking smart.
(58:10):
So does I want to say thatan interview where they're like, what's
your greatest quality? I'm fucking smart? I mean you are smart. I
am smart. You are smart.Um. I was gonna say, all
right, well, um, keepthe five stars coming? Yeah? Man,
why not even long after we're gone? Yeah, just keep them coming
(58:32):
dead in the ground all the timewhen we're in the desert. Oh that's
sad. All right. Well that'sit for this episode, right, are
there? Any um? I thinknext week I should be home, so
we should be doing this in persontogether for our last two episodes. Exciting,
(58:52):
and Scott will be on the lastepisode. Yes, we're gonna pull
him for the last time. Ialready talked him about it, so he'll
be on there. Okay, um, okay, guys, Well that's it
for us, right, Justine,anything else that you need to say?
You're ad? They just made afarting sound of my mouth? Do you
think everyone's gonna be offended? Idon't care, alright, that's it just
(59:20):
seeing you look like you're gonna saysomething. No, that's all I got.
I keep thinking like, oh Ihave I feel like I have something
to say, but I don't.I think I have things to say to
you personally, but not here.Okay, okay, okay, all right,
guys. We'll catch you next weekwith episode one twenty nine. Oh
it's the fun, all right,guys, have a good weekend. Hope
(59:50):
the rest of your week is awesome. We'll catch you next week. Until
then, Justine, remember get bustle. There's a a lot of desert out
there, which I'm saying to publicmasturbaders. There you go, beautiful at
(01:00:12):
home, beautiful all right, guys, we love you, love you,
bye, good bye.
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