Ep. 129- Shannon Siders

On the morning of July 18, 1989, Bob Siders came home to find his 18 year old daughter, Shannon Siders, missing. And even though her body was found a few months later, the case for Shannon goes cold. It isn't until 22 years later, when her case is re-opened, that secrets are spilled and details are revealed as to what happened to Shannon.

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Episode Transcript

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Hi, everyone, Welcome to anotherepisode of It's About Damn Crime, where
two best friends get together and talkabout what Justine ps. Side note,
Justine's in the room with me.I am. You don't have to edit
two tracks today, it's just one. So what are we talking about this
week? Justine? Cold Case?I love I love a good cold case.

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Just one cold case? Actually yeah, not not plural, not singular.
So I'm Brittany, I'm Justine,and you're finally back in Vegas.
I know what a quick detour thatwas. Yes, six months? Yeah,
not even six months, five anda half. Yeah. Oh man,

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I think California just doesn't want you. No, California chewed me up
and spat me out, and itwas like, get the hell out of
here. Yeah, he wants runfast. I know. I posted a
video on Instagram that I was home, and like several people were like,
you're back. Yeah, I am, but I'm very busy right now and

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I don't for you. Meanwhile,you're just sitting at home in your pj's
watching date Line. Okay. Firstof all, all I've been watching is
Live PD Okay, okay, okay, um, and you are unpacking,
you've been una unpacking. I've alreadydone like a trip, like brought a

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bunch of stuff, so this onewasn't like too horrific. But it's just
like finding where everything's gonna you know, when he moves in, someone like
just doesn't feel like home. Yeaheven already lived where I lived, but
like where I'm living, but itjust doesn't feel like my home yet,
you know. Yeah. Um,so I don't know that'll happen soon.

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Yeah yeah, but your dog's excited. They're they're so happy. Waliver doesn't
give a shun, but Charlie isvery happy. I would think out of
all out of your two dogs,that Oliver would be the one that would
folly everywhere. No, because he'slike, um, he loves everyone equally

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like I'm not. Well, he'slike the Benson. He's like my Benson.
Yeahh like who cares whatever as longas someone's giving me live on give
who it is, Yeah, loveme. So No, Charlie is very
excited. He keeps following me aroundroom to room. If I go to
the bathroom, I opened the doorand he's sitting on the outside of it
looking at me like, oh mygod, Charlie, is your is your
hot? Hare, that's so funny. I if you have a god too

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far, you know, He's like, you're still here, You're still Yeah,
they're not even right. Not leaveit right, poor guy? But
yeah no. So I've been backfor three days, so first good,
Okay, is there anything new besidesyou coming back? There any stories?

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I can't think of anything. Ohyou know what I was gonna say.
I was watching Life PD the otherday and she like the um what's it
called the dash cam or like thebody camp? They had like a spinoff
of bodycam and it's dash cam orwhatever. Okay, And it was this
woman officer and she a Hispanic womanofficer. By the way, she got

(03:37):
out of her police car whatever,there was a guy parked on her like
an abandoned road, but it wason private property. So she's like,
what are you doing here? You'resleeping and she didn't know that. I
think he had killed his mom likea couple of days before and over car
or whatever. So he was sittingthere and then she's like, you have
park here, you know. He'slike okay, and she's like, can
I see your ID? And hewhen he handed her handed her his ID

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like she looked at the id andshe like looked down. In that one
second that she looked down, hepulled out a gun and he started shooting,
and he shot her in the faceand in the chest, and he
took off in his car. Rightshe ran back into her patrol car and
pursued him. What she was likedriving, She's like, I got shot,

(04:21):
so calm dude, Like I'm hitin the face, I'm hitting the
chest. And she followed him andthen there was like a street. She
was like, I felt like wewere getting set up, so I didn't
follow him down the street. MaybeI'm confusing these stories. Well whatever,
this could be get up. Butif she did a shot in the face,
so she stopped and the other officerscame and they like kind of backed

(04:43):
up and they're like okay, okay, and they're trying to grab her or
whatever. So she was fine,like she lived, like the bullet wind
just like through her cheeks out byher ear and then but she was out
for a couple of months but wastotally chill. Right. Then another one
later, this like elderly man officergot shot in the ribs and he's screwing,

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Oh I'm shot, I'm shot,I'm shot. Like, listen,
I know it hurts when you getin your ribs, right, but I'm
like this pitch got shot in theface and got back in the car,
kept going and oh that just goesto show you all the women are more

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bad essenatement. Yeah, we canhandle cramps, childbirth, man, we
can handle childbirths. Cramps. Notto take away from the fact that that
the officer got shot, but Iwas just like, because it happened so
close to each other. I waswatching it back to back, so I
was like, man, you're acry baby. Get your ass up or

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keep watching my shot. I'm dying. I can see that I'm dead.
I'm dead. I'm dead. Ohthe drama, the drama that would happen.

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Oh man, that's crazy, sofunny. Jeesus, that's crazy.
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was born on March thirty first,nineteen seventy one, to Robert Ciders and
Mary Christine Ciders. Mary Christine belongedto the Salt Tribe Chippewa Native American.
Sorry if I butchered that, Iapologize, But that is the whole reason
why Shannon Ciders has landed on iDC and a quick shout out at the

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beginning of the episode to Megan fromInstagram for recommending this case. We were
really spinning our wills thinking about whowe were gonna do this week because I
refused to do the one that weoriginally had scheduled. There was also a
case recommendation from someone, but itwas about like a little kid, and
I couldn't do it, which isexactly why it is time for us to

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end this podcast. Yeah, you'retoo emotionally draining. Yeah, I can't
do it anymore. Yeah. Boband Mary Christine eventually followed her divorce and
Bob received custody of Shannon. Shewas his only child and you could tell
that they were really close. Yeah. On July seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine,

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in Nuwego, Michigan, Robert Cidersheaded to work. He worked the
night shift at the Pepsicola bottling plant, so that meant eighteen year old Shannon
Ciders was free to do as shepleased, so of course she would.
In she went to go hang outwith her friends like a normal eighteen year
old would do. I would too, Yeah. Same. The next morning,

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July eighteenth, when Bob got homefrom work, he was immediately worried
because Shannon was not home. Sohe did the responsible dad thing and started
calling her friend's parents. He walkedaround the neighborhood and yelled for her.
But when no one had seen orheard from her and she still hadn't come
home, Bob called and filled amissing personal report, which they took right
away. So that's kind of wayto go. Well, yeah, but

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you know, of course at firstthey thought that Shannon had been a runaway,
of course, yeah, but Bobwas like, no, I know,
my child, there's no way.And then investigators asked Bob if she
had been dating anyone. So he'slike, yeah, she's dating this guy
named Brian, who had he justgot a job hundreds of miles away in

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Ohio, which I'm assuming he movedthere as well, right down the commuting
Yeah, that's the long commute.Nobody asked him for that. So anyways,
investigators got in touch with Brian toquestion him about Shannon, and he
said that she didn't come down tosee him, and so investigators, you
know, they did confirm that shehadn't. They also confirmed that there was

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no way that Brian could have camedown to Nuwego, killed Shannon and then
go all the way back to Ohioin order to make his shift in time
the very next day. So hewas ruled out as a suspect. Now,
Bob, you know Shannon's dad incase you guys forgot, he was
one of those kick ass parents youwant your corner right if you go missing.

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He literally did everything he could tothink of to get his daughter's face
out there, including printing up flyersand plastering them all over the place.
He even sent some to every policepost or police state post in their state
of Michigan, which is crazy,Bob. Yeah. And of course,
with Shannon's face everywhere, the tipsstarted pouring in, and you guys know

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those tips, they're like they're goodwhen it's a good tip, right,
yeah, But then you have tosift through all the ship tips first,
yeop. So of course detectives wenton a ton of wild goose trayses okay,
all over the place, and thenyou know, turned up nothing.
But one tip came in and saidthat a girl named Shannon was hanging out

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at a local crack house, hidingout from her father. Bland police followed
up. It turned out it wasn'ther. A few days after Shannon disappeared,
fifteen year old police receptionist. Realquick, why is a fifteen year
old a police receptionist? I don'tknow. Yeah, like we'll be a
receptionist at like a normal business.But why are you a sheriff's receptionist.

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It's a small town probably, andwho cares that deserves an adult in the
role. Yeah. So that fifteenyear old police receptionist was Amy Bonner,
and she received a call from avery excited man, as she described him,
who said, I just killed ShannonCiders and then hung up and Amy
started crying because she was a child. And that's terrifying. You know exactly

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why you shouldn't have a child beinga receptionist. Yeah. Plus, at
the time, Shannon was only missing, and while the adults probably suspected that
she was dead, that that thoughtnever crossed fifteen year old Amy's mine too
young, Yeah, she's too young. Detectives tried to follow up the call,
but phones, of course, we'renot what they are today, where

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our every minute is tracked and bouncingoff the towers. Name name. That
was not the case in nine namednine, So that went nowhere. On
Labor Day weekend nineteen eighty nine,true crime heroes aka the people that hang
out in the woods, the avars, hunters, the hikers, the campers,

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they stumbled across two pieces of IDthat belonged to Shannonsiders. When a
police arrived on the scene, theyalso recovered a pair of blue jeans.
Now, the place these things wererecovered at was called the Hole in the
Woods, and it was a spotthat local kids hung out at and they

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got super super drunk, you know, probably a little high, yeah,
smell a little weed, you know. In fact, Bob Cider said that
he had also hung out at thatspot when he was a teenager. It
was the thing to do. Yeah. Bob headed out to that spot after
Shannon's ideas were found and started searchingfor her, but he was unable to
locate her, which we think isprobably for the best, because your daughter's

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already missing, you already can't findher, and then you find her body.
No, no, no, sir. Yeah, that's very traumatizing.
That's why when they have search partyis they don't allow the families to be
on them. Yea Bob Siders um. Three months after Shannon's disappearance on October
fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine, atthe south end of Maniste National Forest.

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Manistee, Manistee Man, what didI say? Siste? Oh Lord whatever?
Leave that. Don't cut that out. This is this is real life
Manago Manatee Um. Another one ofour true crime heroes. Okay, this
time a hunter. Specifically, hewas a deer hunter. He had a

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deep into the forest to of coursedo some deer hunting when he stumbled across
Shannon's body at ten o'clock that night, Bob was told that a body had
been found and that it was probablyShannon's. Police also told him that if
he had searched a little further thanhe had when he was looking for her,
that he most likely would have foundher, which again we are sort

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of glad that he didn't, andthis is why you shouldn't be looking for
your loved one's bodies. Shannon hadbeen brutally beaten, but the ultimate cause
of death was blent forst trauma tothe head. Detectives believed that she had
been raped because her shirt had beenpulled up over her breast and her legs
had been spread open, and herpanties had been pulled down onto one leg

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and warning, this is a grossbut whoever had raped and killed her had
mutilated her vagina as well. Andthis is why you cannot go out and
look for your Look, can youimagine what that would have done to him?
Oh my goodness, oh my god, I mean the trauma already know,
Like, I'm sure he knows allthis information I was told to him,

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but like to find it and seeit with your own eyes, like
no, no, no, no, that's why you can't. When it
came time to barry Shannon, Bobsaid that he had struggled to pick Paul
Bears because he felt that someone Shannonknew had done this to her. And
he said he wasn't you know,he wasn't gonna let one of those motherfuckers
carry her casket, so instead heselected all female cousins to carry Shannon.

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I feel like, which is prettybadass if you ask us, Yeah,
you know, you wrote you rarelysee a woman carrying a casket, but
to have all women carrying the casketmust have been strong too, because caskets
are I was I was thinking that, like, how many cousins did he
have? Man? They had toput like double the amount. Yeah,

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but some of Shannon's friends had askedBob if they could give Shannon letters,
and he agreed, so several letterswere thrown into the casket with Shannon.
Detectives asked the Michigan State Police BehavioralAnalyst team to create a profile prefer for
Shannon's killer. This is also whyI have to quit this podcast. You
can't talk anymore. I'm going tobecome mute. Right. They said that

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it was probably someone from her agegroup, that drugs and alcohol had probably
been involved, and that it wasa sexually motivated homicide, and that there
had probably been more than one killer, and those killers were probably people she
knew. Now, it is alsoimportant to throw in here that Shannon always
wore a classrooing that had her initialsengraved in it. Bob never found it

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in the house and it was neverrecovered when they found her body. So
hold on to that info. Wepromise it's gonna be important later on.
Yes. So, now police hadto figure out who had last seen Shannon
alive, and there were eight peoplewho last on her. Slowly but surely,
all eight of them were called into be questioned. They were given
lie detective tests, and detectives wereable to piece together a timeline from what

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all the kids had told them.Shannon was home until ten thirty PM,
when her dad left for work.She left the house to meet up these
eight kids, or meet up withthese eight kids who drove three separate cards
to the Hole in the woods toparty. These were more like these eight
kids. They were more like partyfriends. They weren't her real friends,

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you know which that People always saythat they're party friends, not your real
friends. But my party friends aremy real friends. Well you're lucky in
that, right, Yeah, Ifound cold. That's why I've been friends
to say, eight people my wholelife now. Shannon eventually got tired and
wanted to go home. She hadbeen riding around with Levi Pearson and Brandon

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Sievers. Brandon was known around townas a dude who did not have much
respect for women and often referred tothem as lets and horse, and shortly
after Shannon disappeared, Brandon left town. So this could be our guy,
right, wrong, he said.Shannon wanted to go home, but he

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wasn't going home. So Shannon jumpedout of his car and jumped into another
car and he had only left toMichigan to pick up a cousin and then
turned around and came right back.He had only left to Michigan, he
said, left to Michigan. Oh, he had only left Michigan. Where
did he go? Wisconsin? Idon't know. I think Wisconsin. I
might have made that up. Butyou know what, no one ever said
that we were all about the factshere. Okay. I hope that you

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know that after ane hundred and twentynine episodes, so now police needed to
know who's car Shannon had gotten intonext, and that was Paul and Matt
Jones, who yes, are brothers. The three decided they were going to
go back to Shannon's house and watcha movie and keep drinking. But when
they got there, Shannon said thatshe was tired, so they dropped her
off between midnight and one am.They also said that when they pulled up

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that they could see the TV onin the living room, right. Yeah,
they saw all lights on. Theysaw the porch light was on,
the TV was on, and theysaid they could see the dog, her
dog running around the house. Yeah. They were given a polygraph test and
then they passed it. Do youthink they clenched their butt cheeks. That's
Scott's tip, pomp. Yeah,probably, Oh okay, So it's not

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anybody that she knew so far,right, like everybody, all these kids,
they're like, they're all checking out. Yeah, they're all checking out.
So had it been a stranger thenwho may have stumbled across her home
alone that night? It didn't makesense because her body had been found in
such a remote location that only localsknew about. So it just had to
be someone in town, right,yep? But who It didn't mean that

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it had to be someone from herage group, but it could have been
anyone from her town, right,yeah, anyone. Look, her dad
was parting at that hole in thewoods. Yeah, hole in the forest,
hole in the hole, the hole, the hole. But no one
knew. And eventually the tip stoppedcoming in and Shannon's case went cold.
But Bob wasn't going to give upso easily. Remember we told you he

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was one of those badass parents.So he rented a billboard and convinced about
fifty people along the highway to poston their business signs who killed Shannon Siders.
He knew he had to keep hername out there, or she would
have been forgotten, Yeah, whichwhich happens all the time. Yeah.
Can you imagine if you're like thekiller and you're driving up and down the

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highway and you see those like whata reminder every single time you see those
signs. Twenty two years after Shannon'smurder, in August twenty eleven, a
new sheriff blew into town. Okay, not really a sheriff, but a
cold case task force that was setup to solve Shannon's murder. Everybody in
that town was obsessed was solving Shannon'smurder. Yes, there was a couple

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of detectives that were like, Igot into the police force because I wanted
a crack at this case. Yeah, which I do love that. I
love it when when like somebody thatknew the victim, they grow up,
time pass by, they grow up, and then they go into the police
force. Yeah, like not onlyto solve other cases, but they're always

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wondering, like who killed that personthat they knew when they were younger,
you know, crazy. And thena whole slew of things happened. One
Amy, the fifteen year old sheriff'sreceptionist, was now a grown adult.
Still the sheriff's Receptionistum, she decidedthat she was going to solve this case
and begin her own investigation, okay, which not nobody loved that, Okay,

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but she did it. Anyways,I'm glad she did. Yeah,
get it. But this just goesto show that like that memory of like
I killed Shann insiders stuck with herher whole life. Like it's probably eating
away at her her whole life.Again, Why fifteen year old shit of
your sheriff's office and why she wasin that office though? Because she was

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a big she's a big help insolving this case. Um Okay. Second,
a Facebook group was created by thelead detective of the cold case unit
because he said, people say dumbshit on the internet. It's true.
That's very true. It's true.Three, Shannon's body was exhumed and basically
to just read over the letters thathave been buried with her. They had

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gotten a tip that someone had writtena confession no in there, so they
needed to pull them up and gothrough them. There was no confession that
didn't exist. Yeah, But oncethey had her body zoomed, they noticed
that Shannon had a clump of hairin her hand, which I don't know
how the first forensic team didn't seethat. I don't know how they missed

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that. There's hair in her hand, Like, that's where we would firstly
look. I would have That's whereI would have looked. Yeah, but
it just turned out to be Shannon's. So they still had nothing. But
in going over everything they had backin nineteen eighty nine, they discovered they
were missing a statement from Shannon's friend, Julia. Julia had made a statement

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about that night that she went missing. She had been interviewed back in nineteen
eighty nine when everybody else had been, but for some reason, Julia's statement
got lost, so she was interviewedagain, and Julia told detectives that she
had gotten off of work at tenpm and that her and Shannon had made
plans to hang out that night,so she headed over to Shannon's at a

(25:22):
round eleven forty five pm, butShannon wasn't home, so Julia left and
then went back again and again everyhalf hour until two forty five am.
There was even one point where shehad even like she'd gone inside to make
sure Shannon, like nothing happened toShannon, you know, yeah, inside

(25:45):
the house, but Shannon wasn't there. Nor had she'd ever shown up,
which is odd because remember guys Pauland Matt Jones had said that they took
Shannon home between midnight and one am. Sus I'm when I when I came
to the part this part of thestory, I was like, why wasn't

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this statement gone over? When didthey lose this statement? A statement they
probably just like immediately after they tookit. I don't know. They probably
didn't even like attention because she wasn'tat the hole and they were like it
was someone at the hole, Likeyeah, but like that's huge because now
the probably know they're lying. Youknow, Matt and Paul are lying because

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poor Julia has been at her houseover and over and over again. And
Julia was not a party friend.Julia was her friend friend, a friend
friend, her real friend. She'sa real one. Okay, now we
have to tell you a bunch ofdames that you're never I mean that you've
never heard before because we not mentionedthem before. But they one percent help
solve this case when they talked twocold case detectives. So here we go.

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Number one Lindsay Bradley. Lindsay wasShannon's friend and also dated Paul Jones
back in nineteen eighty nine. Shetold detectives a few days after Shannon disappeared
that she was in Paul's car whenshe saw a class ring sitting in in
the cup holder. She got pissedbecause he was her boyfriend, and so

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she asked Paul how he could beover here with her when he had another
girl's class ring in his car,and he said, to her, let's
face it, she's probably dead.Strike one. There we go. That's
for strike. That's flag flag flagone, flag one red flag. Okay

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two. Amy, the sheriff's receptionistand stuff appointed investigator, reached out to
her friend Jenny Corrigan after several peopletold her she needed to talk to her
about Shannon's case. So when Amymet up with Jenny, she asked her,
point blank, what do you knowabout shannonsiders. Jenny broke down,
crying and told her that she knewhow Shannon was killed. Amy immediately called

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the lead detective and told him thatAmy had found an eye witness. Jenny
had never been interviewed during the initialinvestigation, and she never came forward because
she was afraid of Matt and PaulJones. You know, she saw them
kill someone, so yeah, I'dbe afraid to. Yeah. Number three,
Jenny told police they needed to talkto Dean Robinson. Both of them

(28:21):
were able to tell detectives exactly whathappened to Shannon Ciders that night. Now,
before we go any further, i'dwant to side note put a side
note in that when they went togo question Dean, he was hesitant on
telling them what happened because he hadbeen in jail and he didn't want to
be seen as a snitch. Dean, but investigators pressed him and pressed,

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and they were like, they weren'tgiving up tells what happened. So of
course eventually he caved and told himwhat happened. And this is it,
righty guys. On July eighteenth,nineteen eighty nine, Jenny and Dean were
nothing out with the rest of thekids at the black Hole in the forest
or whatever it's called. I don'tremember. And I've been driving around together

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and which is apparently the thing todo when you're a teenager in this town.
Drive arouded the cars together. WellI was getting drunk. Well I
guess they were too. Anyways,they've been driving around together when they came
across another car. Dean jumped outof the car to have a conversation with
the driver of this other car,and Jenny heard the driver identify himself as

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Paul Jones. Who Paul Jones?Who j J Jones? Comma Paul.
She then heard him say that theywere looking for Shannon, which told detectives
that Shannon had probably gotten away fromMatt and Paul at some point, which
is like very upsetting because dang,she was so close. Dean got back

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in the car and left, butafter him and Jenny left, Paul and
Matt tracked Shannon down, beat her, raped her, and then dragged her
body back to the car. Later, Dean and Jenny were driving by again
when they saw Paul and Matt withthe body. Dean jumped out of the
car to try and help, butwhen he got closer to the body,

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he tripped and fell, and that'swhen he saw that the body was Shannon's.
Then Paul Jones walked up to himand kicked him in the face.
Matt then approached the car with ahammer, but once Matt saw someone else
in the car, he walked away, and Dean quickly jumped up ran back

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to the car and him and Jennytook off. When they got to a
safe distance away, Dean told Jennythat, you know, what they saw
was an accident, and that likethem, killing Shannon was an accident,
and that they were probably taking Shannonto the hospital, and Dean told Jenny
to keep her mouth shut, hencewhy she never said anything. Well,

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yeah, the whole thing's terrifying toa teenager. On June twenty four,
twenty fourteen, Matt and Paul Joneswere arrested and charged with murder. In
July twenty fifteen, Matt Jones wasconvicted of first degree murder and sentence to
mandatory life in prison. Paul Joneswas convicted of second degree murder and sentenced
to thirty to twenty thirty to twentyseven no thirty to seventy five years in

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prison. Both have tried to havetheir convictions overturned, and both have failed
miserably. Of course, I'm sorry, I bought my mic Sorry. Oh
that's okay. I do it allthe time. I know, I hear
when I had it. I don'tokay. Regarding what's her name, Jenny,

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I just don't understand how you cango years without saying anything, Like,
I get it. You're you're scaredas a teenager, right, so
you don't say anything. But thenyears and years past, you're seeing these
these signs. Yeah, and youdon't come You're an adult now, probably
have children of your own, Idon't know. Yeah, and you never

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come forward to say anything. ThenI don't know who rather her ass out?
Who told Amy to contact her?You know what I mean? It
was one of the friends. Yeah, Amy reached out after someone had said,
yeah, you need to talk toher, which when she had been
talking about it. Yeah, butshe had told someone what she saw.
Yea. You know, it's justso mind boggling to me that these people

(32:27):
knew something, they just didn't sayanything. Yeah. And here here Bob
is. You know, he's wonderingwhat who killed his daughter? Yeah?
Twenty something years go by and theyhave to have it pulled out of them.
Yeah. Well Deane was clearly acriminal, you know, he was
just got out of Joie. Ithink that like that area probably wasn't the

(32:49):
greatest because all these people seem likelow life. Maybe it is a small
town. There's not much to do, yeah, I mean, if it
is a small town, I don'tknow. Shit about away go. But
I'm assuming it's a small town.It just seemed like everybody that I saw
pictures of clearly on drugs. UmI think that they probably had all seen

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a bunch of not so great Idon't know. I think getting kicked in
the face knowing that they had killedsomebody and who knows what they were involved
with after the fact. I'm surethat Matt and Paul had threatened to kill
them or whatever before Dean and Jennytook off. Yeah, they're probably like,
well, you know, if yousay anything, we'll kill you.

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Yeah, And being teenagers, you'rescared. You know, you're scared of
that, but you know you're oldernow. But that's just felt like if
you're killing people at eighteen years old, like you progressively get worse, Like
you don't. That's true. That'strue. So they probably had a reputation,
they knew they were bad people,and they're like, I'm gonna stay
the fuck away from that. Yeah, I don't want to be involved with
them. Yeah we're gonna say anythingbecause yeah, I already got a foot

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to the teeth, you know.Yeah, true, I don't know.
I mean, obviously, if youhave information like that, like you should
share it. I wonder who calledthe police station and said I killed I
know, you know what I mean? Yeah, probably some random random yeah,
some random person. Fucker just kidding. Uh. Yeah, this is

(34:22):
such a sad story. And it'ssad too that you know, not only
was she a young girl, right, but she almost got away, almost
got away m hm. And thisis and they said that this is all
because they probably were like, let'shave sex with me or whatever. They

(34:44):
came onto her and like no,no, thank you, no, yeah,
which come on, man, nomeans no no and no doesn't mean
kill me. Yeah, So that'sjust sucks. Yeah, that's a very
sad, very sad story. Andthen her dad, you know, like

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seeing interviews with him, Yeah,it's heartbreaking to watch him because he still
gets emotional talking about her. Yeah. And that was his only daughter.
Yeah, and he never got remarried. No, I never got kids.
Like that was it for him andhe I mean, I can't imagine living
twenty two years. It was longerthan that by the time they got convicted

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twenty fifteen, hold on, pleasehold for some I DC math, but
calculated twenty six years until he gotjustice for his daughter. You know what
I mean, Like that sucks.I mean it's still that he that he
finally got justice, but it tooka cold case team to open this case

(35:50):
back up. And and I feelI had Julia a statement not got I
know, initially they would have gone, they would have gone, wait what
she was at her house all nightlong? She never saw her? Yeah,
like clearly lying, Paul are lying. It's so funny though, because
they have like audio of I don'tremember if it was Paul or Map,
but they're like, what do youthink should be done to the detectives ask

(36:12):
what they think should be dead tothe person that killed Shannon, and they
were like, uh, they shouldbe locked away yeah wherever? Yeah,
lock them up for good. Okay, well we lock you up as you
wish. Yeah, fuckers, yourwishes are command. Yeah. Um I
love it when cold cases get solved, especially when they're twenty years cold,

(36:37):
you know. Um. I justlove a good cold case. And they
can do it without like DNA too, because like obviously DANNA is like the
easiest way to get a cold caseoff, right, because like if you're
especially if you're doing with the casebefore DNA. Yeah, But I love
when they can get them without DNAbecause that's just like good old fashioned detective
work. Yeah, and damn,and these guys were not not cute.

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No, that's what I'm saying.These people all look like they are in
the very serious So of course Shannon, beautiful beautiful girl, was like,
fuck, no, now, Iain't gonna have sex with you, you
nasty take me home and go away. Yeah, man, that's what I
gonna be. So careful with yourfriends too. Yeah, you never know
what kind of crazy ess. That'swhat you gotta make friends in the eighth

(37:24):
grade and you gotta keep them forforever, like Justine. I mean,
I mean, I'm not an eighthgrade friend, but but still it's right
around after high school friend. Itjust goes to show that you can't trust
anyone, dude. And then Lindsaytoo when she saw the ring. She

(37:44):
never came forward and said that either, but it must have happened after they
initially interviewed her. Yeah, Iain't going back there. Yeah, either
that or she didn't put two andtwo together. And she was just like,
and I think too, Like whenyou're a teenager, like you buy
into the drama of it all,right, Like Shannon got murdered and like
where did she go and who tookher? And it's like you probably feed

(38:06):
into all the drama of it all. Yeah, instead of going like this,
my this guy that I dated,these people that hang out with are
responsible for not only murdering her,but they beat her and they rape you
know what I mean, Like,and those were people that you hung out
with. Oh, man, geez. They never detectives. Never do they

(38:30):
ever disclose that her ring was missing. No, they never told anyone about
it. Yeah, so I'm sureshe didn't put two and two together because
they only had her initials on it. She probably was like, didn't even
think that Yeah, s S couldstand for Shannonsiders or whatever. She probably
just saw it. Look, it'slike, okay, if you saw the
ring and then he says she's probablyyeah and they probably dead, you'd be

(38:51):
like what. Yeah, I'd beenlike what are you saying to me?
And then it is around the timethat Shannon was missing and all that shit.
So and then it's like they saidthat she whir the ring all the
time. She was never without it, So you would think that someone would
recognize. I don't know, yeah, because if you went missing in your

(39:12):
wedding ring was in someone's cup holder, I wouldn't even I'd be like,
oh, like a ring, andI would never know that it was your
ring. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, if you're ugly ass transitions,
where's somebody's car, that's a differentstory. Those are that transitions.

(39:35):
I know those transitions anywhere. Ohman, Well, I'm glad that this
case eventually got solved. Yeah,you know what, way to go,
case team, you really nailed it. And way to go Amy, Amy.
Wait, you know what. Peopletold me to stop it and they
were they were setting her death threats. Yeah fu oh, y'all, I'm

(39:57):
gonna do it anyway. Yeah,way to go girl, So a way
to go Amy? Hell? Yeah, man, I wish I had that
much dedication to anything. I mean, you don't. So maybe if I
died or got murdered, maybe I'dhope that you search. Yeah, I
feel like I would. Definitely.You're started a Facebook group, you're a

(40:22):
detective on the internet. I'm surethat you could do a little do some
footwork. My friend was getting catfishthe other day. She went some dude
on Tinder and he's like, I'min law school, and then she was
like showing me his text and hewas like no, no. He sent
her a clothes that he bought andthey were like, like not those of

(40:43):
a person that are in law school. And then she shown me bet a
picture and he had these big oldgauges and I was like, oh,
no, this is not real.No, She's like okay, So she
went she started the investigative work becauseshe went and looked and he had ordered
those clothes and like his knee manadreswere on the envelope, on the uhuh,
on the shipping bag or whatever.So she googled his name. It

(41:06):
was a different name than when hehad given her the last name, but
different. So he said his namewas whatever. It was like a first
name that was his middle name,and then his last name. So he
was going by his fing okay.But found instagrams that belonged to this other
dude who was friends with the fakedude. It was just all bullshit,

(41:28):
bullshit. Yeah, but I satthere for like twenty minutes, hauld On.
I got on Facebook, connected thedots, got an Instagram, connected
the dots. It was good.Oh and then the other guy I found
his real Facebook and I was like, Bet, you this is the best
part of the story. But hehadn't posted anything since like twenty fourteen,
twenty fifteen maybe, And I waslike, bet you his asses in jail

(41:50):
because I looked like shady people.Sure enough that motherfucker's in jail. I
found him, of course, ofcourse, So I am available if anyone
needs me to do so, justdrop investigator, Just drop a name,
interesting d Just the name, andshe'll know what to do. She'll know
what to do. Oh man,all right, So we are moving on

(42:14):
to stranger dangers. Stranger dangers,stranger danger, stranger danger. This is
not a test. I repeat,this is not a test. You better
run, all right. This storyis from Let make sure I'm not supposed

(42:39):
to remain anonymous. Nope, okay, this is from Shannon Hey. Shannon.
Shannon says, Hello, love yourshow, and especially that you give
people the opportunity to share their experiences. I'm struggling with my words already,
so here we go. Good luckeverybody. I'll jump right into mine.
It happened when I was fifteen,way back in the early eighties in central

(43:00):
Florida. My friend and I weresitting next to the road in a neighborhood.
This area doesn't have any houses built. Behind us our woods, a
trail leads into the woods a shortdistance to a small maybe half half acre
ponds. Told you there's a trailthat goes all the way around the pond.
At one end of the pond.There are three trails, the one

(43:20):
we walked in on, a footpaththat goes to the street, a narrow
dute road that goes to the street, and a narrow wood plank bridge across
a creek that goes to the clubhousepool. The layout matters to the story,
or I wouldn't have gone into somuch detail. As we're sitting there,
a man rides up on his bikeand says he's looking for his dog
Classic. After a brief conversation duringwhich I say, maybe he's by the

(43:43):
pond, it's decided that my friendwill stay where she is because we're waiting
for a third friend to show up. I volunteer to walk alone into the
woods with this man to help himlook for his dog, Bucky. We
walk the trail to the pond,calling the dog's name. We get to
the pond and this man turns tome with his pants and zipped parts wapping
into the into the breeze. Inthe breeze and asks, have you ever
seen a big dick? Oh?Big? At this point I'm terrified.

(44:08):
No. I had not ever seenany male genitals, let alone big ones.
I was naive and immature for myage and wanted nothing to do with
boys other than to ride BMX backswith him. Yeah. I start at
him and shake my head no tohis question. I do not look down,
because that's how I fool today.At thirty one, he has positioned

(44:30):
himself to block the path back theway we came, as well as the
path to the left, the shortestroute by far to the other two paths.
I have no choice but to headto the right around the pond.
I start to walk around the pond. He follows. I walk faster,
so does he, the whole time, repeating his question and practically begging me
to come on, just look atit. About halfway around the pond,

(44:52):
he grubs my arm and tries toturn me around. I pull away,
scream no, and start running.I reached the path to the clubhouse,
crossed a little bridge, and runup to the close clubhouse. There was
a lot of seal words. Yeahhe did not follow me, but instead
took the dirt road back to thestreet, grabbed his bike and took off.
My friend heard me out and camedown the trail looking for me,

(45:12):
walked around the pond and found mesitting on the steps to the clubhouse crying.
We walked back to my house andI told my mom, who called
the police. I then had todescribe what happened to two large mail police
officers. I was so embarrassed totell them what he said to me,
asking if I had ever seen abig dick. I did not want to
say that out loud to the twomale police. I don't blame me,
girl. Yeah, I never heardanything back about it, but they did

(45:35):
tell us someone had tried to graba little girl from the elementary school the
week before. She had kicked andscreamed and got away from him. No
idea if it was the same guyor not. At the time, I
was scared and embarrassed, but Ijust thought if he had caught me,
I would have had to look atit. Oh that's why she ran fast.
I don't think I was fully awareof what else might have happened until
many years later. That could havebeen my worst than looking at it.

(45:59):
Oh, don't worry. Sometime whenI was sixteen, I realized there were
other ways to play with boys thatwere even more fun than running. Expects
that the parts were and all thatgross. After all, stay safe and
don't volunteer to walk into the theload with a pedophile. That's solid advice.

(46:22):
Oh man, oh man, whatthe Isn't that funny how your naive
mind goes like, oh my god, if he catches me, I'm gonna
have to look at his dick.Yeah, not that he's gonna take me
until yeah, oh man, ohmy goodness. Well I'm glad he ran
and got away. I'm glad youscreamed. Yeah, me too. Yeah,

(46:43):
damn that sucks the club Yeah,that sucks that the clubhouse was closed,
But yeah, it was enough toscare him off to uh just leave.
I'm telling you, those people don'twant anyone that's gonna try to take
you, does not want any sortof scene, and they don't want anyone
else around. You know what itmeans, Like if you start screaming and
yelling and drawing attention to yourself,like nine times out of ten, they're

(47:05):
gonna run away. Yeah, youknow, what was that what was his
thing? Like, what was thatthing? Come on, look at it?
Come on, look at like,stop stop your dick, you stick?
Oh god, have you ever seenbay Line? It probably wasn't bag
at all. Get out of here. No, that's why he needed to
try to make little girls look atit. Yeah, to them, it'd

(47:27):
probably be big because they've probably neverseen nothing. Yeah, a lot of
dicks before. But she Well,I'm glad you got away, Shannon.
Yes, I'm glad you were safe. And I'm glad you you literally did
everything you're supposed to do in thatscenario. Yeah, except for going down
to the pond to look for thedog. That was your first clue.
Yeah, that he rode up onhis bike. Where was the dog while
he was riding the bike? Right? Did he have a basket in the

(47:52):
front? No? Probably not.Was it Toto from The Wizard of Us?
Crazy? All right? Yeah?Okay, next story is from is
this our last one? Yeah?Okay, last one? Not least.
It is a story from susan subjectis old enough to know better? Same

(48:17):
girls, Okay. Um. Ihave been an avid listener since I became
aware of these things called podcasts justa few short years ago. With all
you have taught me in your strangerDangers and the middle aged woman I am.
I truly should have known better thanto put myself in the falling situation.

(48:38):
So here it goes. Last fall, I had agreed to sub in
for one of my friends on theirdarts team at a local pub a stone's
throwaway from my house. The eveningis a few short hours, starting around
seven pm and ending at the latestof ten pm. Seeing as this is
a local watering hole watering hole,Hey, I know what that means now,

(49:00):
Yeah, seeing as this is alocal watering hole. I had invited
my husband before I had left tomeet me after darts for a drink and
a spin on the VLTs, buthe declined. Since it was a beautiful
fall evening. I had figured Iwould walk one route down to the pub,
and on the way home I wouldtake the well lit route. Well,

(49:22):
I said that different ways root routeroot whatever, you guys know what
I'm saying, yes, is thatwhile wow, well, take the well
lit route that goes right by anelementary school. The total walking distance on
either route is no more than tenminutes. The evening ended, i'd been
my fellow players ado and started onmy way home. I had barely crossed

(49:44):
the street when a vehicle rolled upbeside me and asked me if I would
like a ride. Politely, Ideclined and kept walking. The vehicle stepped
to the curb and rolled up onme again, asking if I was sure
I didn't need a ride. Ifoolishly smiled again and declined and kept on.
As the vehicle drove away, Irealized that it was from out of
province, and it was in thismoment that I also realized what a dangerous

(50:08):
position I was putting myself in walkingalone at night. I quickly pulled out
my phone about the text my husbandwhen I noticed he had messaged me asking
if I still wanted to meet fora drink. I quickly dialed him up
said yes, I'm turning around andgoing to wait in the local convenience store
until I see his truck come.On a side note, this all occurred
within a thousand feet of the pubI had just left. My husband showed

(50:32):
up to my rescue. We hadour drink and I shared my experience with
him. I no longer walk bymyself. I drive everywhere I need to
go. I don't care how shortthe distance is. After I got over
what had just occurred and how differentthings could have went down, it dawned
on me that I had just purchasedone of those little keychain things that if

(50:52):
you separate the fob from the keyring, it sounds like a car alarm
going off, and it was tuckedaway in my purse for this situation.
Yet that did not cross my mindonce during the ordeal. I also am
embarrassed to say that with all mycrime podcast training, I felled in taking

(51:12):
note of vital details that if Ihad reported anything, I was ill prepared
to make any detail statement other thanknowing it was a dark suv without without
of province states or plates without ofprovince plates. I survived. I have
learned a valuable lesson and I'm workingon being more detail oriented person in everyday

(51:37):
situations so I can be an informationso I can be an information station if
ever needed for someone else. Thankyou, Susan, Thank you, Susan.
I was a very well written email. Yes, thank you. Also,
yes, girl, do not walkhome walk home alone at night?
Ye, walk anywhere at night?Yeah, trying not to walk around during

(52:00):
the day alone either, Just tryingnot to ever be alone. Yeah,
just always try to always be withsome one. I mean, it sucks
that we can't walk around anywhere withoutbeing cat called or trying to be forced
into a ride. Yeah something possiblythat's fun happening. It's funny thought.

(52:22):
How Like your mind doesn't go,oh, I have that alarm in my
purse or oh I have a knife, and you know what I mean,
Like your mind just totally skips Yeah, that whole step. Also, don't
feel bad. I've been doing thispodcast for three years season three years,
I've been doing Stranger Danger. StrangerDanger was my segment idea. Okay,

(52:42):
I created this baby. Yep,I do dub shit all the time,
like sleep with her window open ina one story house by the way you
name it, I've done it.So I mean, I think it's good
to be aware of it and justwork on becoming an information station. I
think you got the idea ground Yeah. Um, but yeah, I'm glad

(53:07):
you're okay, Glad you're safe,Glad your husband. Yeah, I hope
you enjoyed your drinks. Yes,and uh and good thing nothing happened.
Yeah, good shit, So wayto go. All right, Thank Susan
for their story. Than susan Um. All right, guys, so we're
gonna wrap up a Stranger danger nextstep. Oh, next week, it's

(53:28):
our last episode. That's that we'regonna get real drunk while we recorded,
Okay, or at least try.No, we're going to I haven't drinking
a long time, so I feellike I'm owed a night of drinking.
Oh my god, you're gonna havelike a beer and then be slashed.
Me and Scar are gonna be sittinghere like this, bitch is great?
Like what you only had one beer? Bitch? Like that episode I drink

(53:52):
all that vodka and you blind rememberit? Yeah? I couldn't do a
side what episode it is because Idon't remember. Well, hopefully we can
get through the whole episode next nextweek. If you guys want to get
your stranger dangers in before we're overand done with, send them money and
guys. Yeah, I was askingfor holiday stranger danger stories. Okay,

(54:14):
our holiday people, you know dangerstories? You know I want to hear
about your family is getting crazy realquick. Our final episode is on Christmas.
Yeah, so think of the funwe could have. Yeah, come
on, hear about your drunk unclewho got arrested. Yeah, Okay,
Um, it'd be nice to havelike a little funniness, like a little
more fun fun fun episode. Um. Also, rumor has been going around

(54:38):
the Facebook group. Not rumor,but an idea. Jackie came up with
an idea that if you guys wantedto send farewell messages to us, audio
messages, you can send those toIt's about damn crime at gmail dot com,
just a quick little hey bye,see you guys. We'll miss you,
We love you. You know,stuff like that. You know,
let ma gus feel good about ourselves. You're the best podcast ever, you

(55:00):
know, stuff like that Apple iTunes. We'll be the same without you.
Yeah. Um, if we canhave all the Stranger Dangers and any audios
you guys want to send in farewellaudios, if we could have them in
by December twenty seconds in the morning, please yes, because we do record

(55:20):
in the mornings Saturday night so thatwe can drink. Oh so we recording
Saturday night? Yeah? Why wouldwe record Sunday? You guys have to
work Monday. I was saying,Sunday morning, we're gonna drink Sunday morning.
It's five o'clock somewhere. I don'tknow. We actually discussed this already,
and you forgot I did to doit on a Saturday so that we

(55:42):
could celebrate afterwards. But so then, don't we eat any everybody's messages in
Saturday morning? Saturday morning? That'swhat I just said, But you said,
oh yes, sorry, my maps, my maps, my calendars off
fucked up? See bitch, don'tknow, don't uh, they'll reprimand me
when you said the wrong. It'scalled my calendar map. Okay, should

(56:08):
you give me any sort of instruction? Guys? Okay, let's fact track
a little bit. We need theStranger dangers and messages, Barrell messages by
Saturday the twenty first, Yes,nighttime, well, no, after morning,
afternoon. We're fucking mess This iswhy we're done. This is why

(56:31):
we're quitting. Okay, Saturday afternoonthe twenty first, Yes, every latest,
everything needs to be uh submitted?Yea please? Um o we got
how sad we don't get any It'sjust gonna be us sitting here looking at
each other. Three mess We'll bringa Scott in here. Well, hey,

(56:53):
hey, we'll have a Chris.Don't make us look like fools,
you guys, we'll have been themin we'll have your our your family,
and our friends. I don't wantto pretending to be different, pretending to
be other people. Just kidding,just kidding. Okay, guys, Well
that's it for us. Um,if you would like to follow us on

(57:16):
our personal let's if we have anyInstagram reviews, Instagram reviews, iTunes reviews.
Oh my god, I felt toleave wrong, but I couldn't.
It's fine. It's I'm saying,uh, no reviews, that's fine.

(57:37):
Stories. I went to YouTube commentsthe other day. That was fucking fun.
Oh my goodness. Um. Anyways, all right, that's it for
us. We're out of here.We'll catch you guys next week with the
whole new episode, the final episode. It's the fun. Okay, what's

(57:58):
the song about a final episode?Like? Um, like a final not
the countdown? We need like afinal final song. I'll think about it,
I want, I'll forget about itright after we're done here. Okay,
guys, we'll catch you next weekwith our final episode. We love
every single one of you. UhI justest remember, Yeah, there's a

(58:22):
lot of desert out there. I'msaying that to the detective that lost Julie.
A statement in nineteen eighty nine Yeah, bastard motherfucker. All right,
guys, goodbye.