January 25, 2025 • 41 mins
Stef Koster-Boadle is the Founder of Mornington Peninsula's leading Coworking Space, Co.Co Place. The tagline for Co.Co Place is "Where Great Humans Work Well."
Stef is passionate about Creating Coworking Spaces and fostering purposeful communities and apart from running Co.Co Place she also consults with others to help create suburban and regional coworking spaces. Sprinkling the CoCo effect into human spaces!
I have known Stef for a number of years when we were both in the advertising world and Stef always had an entrepreneurial can-do attitude which always impressed me.
What also impressed me was Stef always did her role with a smile, compassion and empathy with those she worked with.
I first spoke with Stef back at the start of the lockdowns and in this episode we reflect on the trends in co-working spaces, trends in working from home and balancing the life of an entrepreneur and mother of a high performing family forging their own lives.
If you are looking for a dose of purposeful inspiration and an example of what is truly possible when everyone else says no, join me on this episode with Stef Koster-Boadle!
To find out more on Stef and Co.Co Place visit https://www.cocoplace.com.au/ and see their socials @coco.place
Stef is passionate about Creating Coworking Spaces and fostering purposeful communities and apart from running Co.Co Place she also consults with others to help create suburban and regional coworking spaces. Sprinkling the CoCo effect into human spaces!
I have known Stef for a number of years when we were both in the advertising world and Stef always had an entrepreneurial can-do attitude which always impressed me.
What also impressed me was Stef always did her role with a smile, compassion and empathy with those she worked with.
I first spoke with Stef back at the start of the lockdowns and in this episode we reflect on the trends in co-working spaces, trends in working from home and balancing the life of an entrepreneur and mother of a high performing family forging their own lives.
If you are looking for a dose of purposeful inspiration and an example of what is truly possible when everyone else says no, join me on this episode with Stef Koster-Boadle!
To find out more on Stef and Co.Co Place visit https://www.cocoplace.com.au/ and see their socials @coco.place
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
The most successful people in the world all have one
thing in common. They've learned how to think big by
developing a perspective of possibility. And the good news is
we all have the potential to apply the same strategies
to achieve amazing things in our work and lives. Hi,
I'm Rob Hartnett, and as you're a chief Possibility officer
(00:26):
and host, I'm here to inspire you to become the
star of your world as a person of possibility through
learning how people from all areas of life are.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thinking big and chasing down their dreams. Would you please
make welcome Steph Costa. How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm great, Thanks, Ron, lovely to see you. It's been years.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Since I you were a guest on show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think almost one of our very first guests on
the show.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think right back, either just when the pandemic was
starting or just a couple of months into it. And
at that point I think you had just opened Coco,
if I'm right.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, Coco would have been about maybe three years old
and going really well. And Coco is a coworking space. Yes,
And what we were talking about is, you know, all
of a sudden, everyone's at home, so what's going to
happen in the coworking industry. So our predictions were spot on.
Back then, I was.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Thinking, you do it right.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was thinking about that because you were at the
time people were doubting you, which has happened in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We all know that, and you were right.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You had all these assumptions and predictions that you talked
to me back on that podcast, Lads and gym and
feel free to go back to the episode and r
Us listen to it if you don't trust step and
I and they really come true. I mean a lot
of things that we thought weren't going to work in
for co working spaces, especially you've got a lovely one
and a beautiful part of Victoria. We'll talk about that
in the moment. A lot of things were going to
(01:56):
go against them, but.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That didn't turn out that way.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Tell us about that no particularly, So you know, I'll
just say coworking. I'm in a suburban slash, I mean
regional area. We bought it right on regional for Australia posts,
but we're only an hour for Melbourne. Coworking was massive,
like big boom just before COVID in the cities. I
remember going to conferences and the others owners saying you're crazy.
(02:23):
I think, you know, we talked about this, like why
would you have a coworking space in a regional area,
And here we are and everyone now wanting to be
in the suburbs and the regional areas to live, but
also co working spaces, bigger coworking spaces looking to our
area and it's just going from strength to strength. I
(02:44):
think coming out of COVID people were definitely nervous. You know,
remember the days of the big open plan and as
funny statistic, only thirty percent of co working spaces in
Australia survive, so unbelievable. Statistic really is quite sad. But
I think what happened with coworking lots of smaller people's
(03:06):
like I'll just go rent an offers, put lots of
desks in and it will work. But those days have gone.
You know, people don't want to sit in an open
plan space anymore. And you know I see here at
Coco Place, everyone's on a video call every day. Everyone
wants a bit of privacy. So it took everyone a
while to come out and now it's I get inundated.
(03:29):
I just need to get out of the house. I
need human connection. So I think we all got a
little comfortable at home, got a bit scared to come out,
but definitely now everyone wants out, but also that flexibility
to go back home.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Talk to me about that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Because there was a bit of Coco places in Mornington,
which is on the Mornington Binicsula. It's kind of a
gateway to the Morington bnicula. It's a it's just said,
kind of a metrover regional on the kind of cast.
But I definitely experienced a lot of my friends and
colleagues move. You moved down to the peninsula, moved to
you know, the beach houses became their main residence. I
know a lot of them have sold then their Melbourne
(04:06):
residences have moved down there. So there was that kind
of comfort of working out of the beach house or
working at a house on the peninsula. But that but
then you also saw them say that let's want to
go back to that where they went Hang on, second,
this is a bit too much, or maybe there's there's
two people in the house, or someone needs to get out,
or we need to have that sort of sense of
companionship or sense of community that's out there, so is
(04:30):
that that's also I think some of the growth that
you saw would that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Be right totally Apart from my loyal members that were there,
you know, in the mud through COVID and stuck around
the I honestly would have had over eighty five percent.
Nearly ninety percent of my new members since COVID have
moved down. So they're either young families so kinder heading
(04:55):
into primary school, or young couples, young professional couples buying
their first home and living the lifestyle balance. The biggest,
biggest factor is connection. And I seem to be the
place people come and they've just moved down. They either
work in a coworking space in Melbourne and now they
(05:17):
know so they either have worked in coworking and they
know they can get a community quickly, or they come
and move down and they're still rushing around not feeling
like they fit and they and coworking has been a
place for them to really find their tribe and their
community and know that I've got someone here and he's like,
(05:40):
I'll just come one day a week. I'm like, cool,
you still go to Melbourne and then a month later
have you got room for two days? And now he's
here full time and doesn't go back to Melbourne, and
the mindset shift of oh it's okay, I can still
do my job, be professional and there's really great light,
minds and people around. Definitely seen a spike in, a
(06:06):
spike in professionals coming into co working spaces, Whereas when
we would have first chatted it was startups entrepreneurship. We
still have them, a lot of them are doing their
side hustle, but really a big spike in CEOs and
professionals not wanting to be in HQ anymore and away
from their staff. And I mean there's the obvious I
need to get away from my wife. I need to
(06:28):
get away from my husband. We both can't work from
home anymore. Yes, yes, you know that's obvious. But really
it comes down to community and that is where the
biggest spaces are struggling and where the trend is now
is how do we harness community and something that's always
been my purpose. It's mean a tough ride because with
(06:50):
that balance becomes loss of income or you're not really
maximizing your revenue per square meet, But in the end,
if you know what your purpose is and it's really
been community and that's really hold held us strong Coco
through these periods. So yeah, more than ever, people are
just craving that connection across other industries.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had I had lunch in Mornington a couple of
weeks ago, and one of the person I was having
lunch with and I mentioned, I mention your name came
up in dispatches and the person's name was actually at.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Coco, Bernard Bascal.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And Bernard said to me, Steph is just such a
great community builder.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And I thought that was really interesting because you see,
and I said, tell me more.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh, she's just so good what she's done with Coco
and how she built people and she brings people together.
And I was noticing what you spoke about purpose a
second ago, and you said that you are going to
read this because I want to get it right.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You said that you.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Create, you curate, so I curate powerful working communities.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Right, tell us about that? Why is that a passion
and how do you do it?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Because he was a client and it was completely not
you didn't knowing about it, That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He said, that's what you do, That's what Steph does.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's what's so good about And he was recommending another
person that we were there about Coco, and he was
talking about what you do. Tell us a bit about
why it's important to you. How you doing, How do
you create these powerful working communities.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, honestly, it's it's organically happens. There's no formula. I
have to say. I have always just trusted my instinct.
I know dickhead policy, right, And what I mean is
I try and meet people first, and I instantly get goosebumps.
(08:31):
It's clear and just walking people through, you can see
that they know someone or they interact. It's kind of
like employing someone for a job. Yeah, you get the
receptionists to offer them cup of tea and install them
and you get feedback from the receptionists later on. I
have no formula for building it because it's the humans
that do it. And that's the difference. It's when you
(08:53):
try and grow and foster a community and force connection
and force name tags and force events down people's throat.
That's not authentic. So what I do is I'm really
clear on my purpose. Every time someone comes in, I'm like,
I'm not here every day. Make yourself at home. This
(09:15):
is what the expectations are I'm not going to introduce
you to anyone. This is your home, it's not my home.
And Coco Coco we now call Coco. It actually hurts
me really emotional. Coco is this energy that's sort of
somehow happened. So it was named Coco placed for connection, collaboration,
(09:37):
but now it's Coco affectionately to everyone, and we have
Coco moments and the Cocoa energy and spirit, so that
just those moments happen due to people in here having
a clear purpose, a beautiful life balance like minds and
working together and crossing over. I don't actually curate it,
but what I do is if there's a beautiful Coco moment,
(10:00):
I'll harness it and make it a ritual. But everything's
community led, not led by me. So it's the walls
that create the community. But I'm more, i would say,
aware of when they occur. Okay, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
How do you stay How do you stay aware?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because I know you're also a really good communicator, And
for those who Steph and I were in the advertising
marketing business many years ago, because sir, you've always had
a really great space for marketing communication skills, how do
you because I think you do that really well. Maybe
I don't think you do, but it's innate skill, but
you do do it well. You do communicate well, and
(10:37):
I think you guess. Hey, it's actually how you build
it organically as well.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
When I feel something, I follow it. So you just
observe and listen a lot. You make sure you're not
the voice of the space, it's everyone else. I went
through a phase, maybe because I had to go and
work in Melbourne for a while, But after COVID, I
my members would I'd intentionally not be around when there's
(11:04):
a tour and then a member would have to jump
up and take someone around. And it's a better story
from them, from them than me. Yeah. Look, I could
say there's a formula. Now, it's not that I follow it,
but I could definitely tell someone how to do it.
And actually, what I've decided too is everyone's like, we
(11:28):
need more, we need more cocoas. And I went through
a real thinking process during COVID and was like when
we came back and the spirit of togetherness and the
shifts people have made within their own business that you
get to witness here gives you tears and that is
(11:51):
what needs to be harnessed. So the Coco effect I
would rather take to more communities and build more communities
than open more spo So that's where that focus is.
So I think it's just a natural thing to me
because the key is you don't drive it. Everyone else does.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Everyone else drives it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So you're seeing again you talked about taking the Coco
effect to communities. So does that mean opening more Coco
spaces or and or yeah, just taking me bok the
Coco effect.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
So, as I said, there's these little moments where people
end up doing business together. Actually two people are sitting
on desks, we sat in a meeting. I had this
idea of Team Coco. Yeah, so there's some I wonder
that might be taken though. There's some wonderful minds that
come through this space. You know, we've got up to
(12:47):
thirty eight members, but only really twelve any given day,
So I constantly have people and businesses coming up to
potential and needing help in growth or startups. It's like,
and I'm constantly referring them to people who I value,
not just because they're members. So I thought, let's all
work together for a client and all our little skills.
(13:11):
Let's all come together as Team Coco and help clients.
So we had this moment. This is an example. We're
in a meeting presenting to a potential new client and
these two people I were with, Coco one and Coco two,
just were like Yin and Yang, but just so clearly
focused and they looked at each other and this connection.
(13:35):
So they were in their own little separate service businesses.
It was electrifying and I could feel it. And we
walked out and they're like, we've got to work together.
And now they've started a business, They've taken over an
office for the couple of months. It's so cool. That's
a Coc moment. We have guys in here that started
a podcast together. It's Coco moment. There's just like someone's
(13:59):
down and everyone's there to support, but it just happens.
Or someone's client may walk in and you've known them
from ten years ago, and it's that, oh, Okay, that
person's going to be good to work with because I
know that they're friends with rot Ye. But these moments
just keep and when you're witnessing them, even if they're
not your moments, they keep your life. You know, I've
(14:21):
witnessed someone move from two days a week to a
desk to his own office. Now he's got funding a
new tech business. And seeing that person go through the
journey within the building over the years is like, so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's really life change, isn't it for you to see that?
It's so empowering and exciting to see the vision come alive.
One of the things I saw you doing as well
was School of Coco. Tell us about what School of
Coco is about.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
School of Coco is something I've had in my head
for nine years. Was sort of dipping my toe in
it before COVID. Then COVID hit and it was out
the door. I did launch it during COVID. So you know,
we've heard of the School of Life model. We all
go to presentations, we all listen to podcasts. There's so
(15:11):
much content and knowledge out there that we can digest
in any form we want. But in COVID, it was like,
let's go back to the family dinners, you know, let's
go back to real storytelling which I love and really
connect and learn and really engage authentic way. So School Coco,
(15:35):
I'd love to roll out family Dinners with some partners
at Coco and you invite your amazing speaker to come
and have dinner, and you pay to sit there, and
it goes to charity and you actually learn while sharing
a meal. Go back to that sort of family storytelling
model and days and not just sitting in front of
(15:57):
a workshop speaker. There's also a young entrepreneurship program, so
we've got someone in now, but I used to do
that a long time ago. The extension to that is, Okay,
we've got all these wonderful minds and people wanting to
give back, and particularly so annoying to say the pandemic,
the pandemic, but people do, I've found. I'm sure it's everywhere,
(16:23):
but I'm finding here people really do have more purpose
filled lives and work balance. Giving back is, as we
all know, huge part of that to have mentorship program
and virtual boards from our members who can help other businesses.
So school Coco will sort of come to life in
(16:43):
various forms, and that's right that Coco. We go back
to what's the Coco effect. It doesn't have to be
in a space. It's bringing together minds of different people
who want to give back in a real way. So
I'm looking at setting up you know boards that you
can rent for a month to give you advice and mentorship,
(17:04):
and yeah, it's the home.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I really, I really liked that idea.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
In fact, you know, the crazy thing about it is
it still gets back to what Coco stands for, isn't
it correct. It's right back that community and collaboration. So
it's really that it's really living and breathing, isn't it.
I mean, I think it's it's not a building. It's
it's it's I understand that a lot better now that
it's not the building. It's really about the effect and
the action happens. And that's I've I've rented and used
(17:29):
a lot of coworking spaces. They're pretty sterile the ones
I've been in. I mean, it kind of nice to
me and my nice coffee, and people kind of nice,
great greets you, and the good reception of yours is
going And I think that's why people talk about it
so much. It really has uplifted and kind of almost
like coworking on steroids. But it's that community side and
that collaboration which is really the reason people.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Are going there. It's actually not for the lovely furniture
and the nice coffee.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's actually for the connection side, which I think, is
it really cool You've also done You've also going to
pot studio now as well.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I knows you you put that in, so I think,
how's that one? Has that going?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And secondly, tell me about other innivity of ideas like
that that you might be doing in the future.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I think we had a discussion about this and you
in our first podcast, You're like, watch your business plan,
and I said it. I'd love to say I'm planned,
but I'm not. I just go with the feel. So
in COVID, remember the builder calling going, oh, I've got
a week of work. Can I get in? And he
came in and we drew on the ground what I wanted.
I said, we're going to need more meeting spaces and
(18:33):
podcasting and content creation is going to be a thing.
And then I think, I think, and you know, it's
more than a thing now, isn't it. I've got, you know,
the clientele I have coming in of people going I've
been told I'm going to do go to do a podcast,
and I have to do a podcast. So I'm really
getting the first time as I've got really great equipment.
(18:57):
I set it up for them, press record give them confidence.
I'm not an expert at all. I'd like to be.
I'm going to do more some research into how to
help people develop podcasts. I don't want one, but I
just get such joy seeing the delight on people's faces
(19:18):
when they talk about what they love and what they're
good at and share it. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Your studio looks amazing too, And I think that's a
that's a confidence thing too.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When you started to do it, and having done a
bit of podcasting for a.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
While, I know what a good studio looks like, and
yours looks fantastic the way you've said it up, you know,
And I think that's what you do as well. It
looks professional. So the bar gets raised and that gives
people confidence.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is going to come out. I'm just going to
be me.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
On the mic. Yeah, yeah, totally. Sometimes I get them
to come in for a little play and give them
some wine at night and then we just sort of
have some fun and a chat and I record it
and then play it back. Great, I actually sound like
I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah that's the wine talking, Yeah exactly. Yeah, I love it.
We need more of that. Going on during the time
you've had Coco going along.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Has there been any kind of I guess, ideas and
businesses that have kind of jumped out at you that
have really stood out, that come from a kind of
an interesting idea and even surprised you.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But what they've done over the life.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It doesn't have to be in tech or anything, but
just an idea of constant that someone's come in a
bit like the guy's growing from one day a week
to more that anyone like anything like that that stood out.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I mean, obviously tech is big. It wasn't here. You know,
we were full of the entrepreneurs start up and we
really weren't tech, but we are now. When I say tech,
I really mean giving back to the world tech, which
lights me up. Maybe I'd like to share a story
of the non tech and what really helps our communities
(21:01):
and not for profits that have free memberships here and
what they bring. It's got a beautiful story of one
of our members and local beautiful humans you know that
everyone knows locally. He recognized in COVID that all these
women were going for walks and chatting to each other,
(21:24):
and I actually bumped into him on the beach at
one of my long walks and I'd just done the
Mojo Crow course and he was struggling a bit, and
I said, you know, look at this anyway. He just
put it out there one Sunday morning on Facebook community
group do any men want to go for a walk?
Meet me at six o'clock in the village And he
(21:48):
was waiting at six o'clock or whatever, six point thirty.
He's like, no one was there, and within minutes ten
people came out of the dark men. Oh and watching
this idea in the last year has gone from Whe're
going for a walk every Sunday for an hour, to
the coffee that goes for an hour and a half
(22:09):
to there's now fifty sixty men turning up. Wow, being
commas and just see them walking through up the beach
is just like it's amazing ingles to now locations around Victoria,
to doing a collaboration with the coffee brand down here
on the peninsula and giving back. And then the coolest
(22:32):
part is that effect where these men that are walking
and sharing lives and stories are now helping within the community.
They're helping the food banks, they're helping build something to
support you know, women and youth and they're actually taking
though those people actually going to help others. So it's
(22:55):
called Sunrise Wanderers.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Right, Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Just you know, they've been they've had a couple of
meetings where they use Coco Place and they're mentoring youth.
So you can imagine the minds and these there's a
lot of retirees that have moved down in COVID moved
to their holiday house and they want to get back. Yes,
there's the beautiful generations of knowledge and skill and so
that has been the most simple idea that turned into
(23:24):
something so impactful that is really exciting. I think to
see where that goes.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, that's I mean, that is again life changing. What
a great moment, you know, the mean to be you
met on the beach, you know, and I'm sure you
had some your inspirational in turns of kind of changing
it around.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
And I think that's really interesting as I agree with
it too.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It's been a lot of retirees or it was a
sort of semi retired you know, going down that way
as well.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And I don't I think a lot of it did
come out.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I think a lot of purpose, purpose for conversations came
out of the back end of the experience we kind
of had to have, especially Victoria, because that's it is
interesting and a lot of people still around Australia, most
as they overseas, so I don't really know what we
experienced down here and our severe the lockdowns were and
(24:12):
the impact it had on community and on connection.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So yeah, I think that's really interesting. I love the.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Idea that's come out of that tech ideas because I
think also it's changing the type of people who are
coming in. You've spoken about the different types of people
that are coming in and you keeping up.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
To date with that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
How do you keep up to date with all you
have to Are you adding new technology into Coco as
well in terms of streaming internet speed data centers?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Is AI impacting your business at all? I'm interested to know.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, funny you say that I've had a month of
my head in developing an app. We have launched an
app today. Well you should look online. Well, if you
look at the trends, I mean there's a few things
to answer there. First of all, you look at the
trends in coworking and the people coming in now there's
a lot of younger I used to be like I've
(25:03):
got to meet you before you come in. And now
people just need to book meetings desks, no one. We
all book our GP appointments online. So I call them
the commitment phobic generation, right, Yeah, they need to just
book and use and they don't want to. They don't
need to interact with a human get the service. So
(25:27):
I've opened up the doors to them, which is exciting
and it's really nice to have that generational range within
the space. In terms of AI, it's definitely affecting the
industry in a positive way. So we all need to
make sure our tech is ready to support it, which
is what I've been working on. There's AI integration across spaces.
(25:49):
So obviously the biggest shift in work is hybrid work.
So there's teams at home and they may go to
HQ for a meeting, but through Google Calendar now is
Google Spaces, so someone from home, you might have a
meeting scheduled with some of your team members across the
(26:12):
state on Thursday, and if the AI will pick up,
how you could go and work at Mornington together at
this time in this space. So using AI to connect
calendars to pop up options to go and work somewhere
together for the day. So that's that's that sort of
movement well being Apart from AI Will and AI with
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well being. Well being huge and a massive opportunity in
coworking because it's such a focus for everyone. And I
love that the young generation now are posting photos of
their gym workouts. Are not their beaight tens well they are,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
At the gym workout that.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So well being is huge. So being able to provide
first of all an environment that makes you is well
to work within, but where you can have your well breaks.
There's some great spaces popping up, you know, new builds
in Melbourne. I was talking to an architect who I
work with and they've got a new level going into
(27:23):
an office of building with saunas and plunge pools and
infrareden This is that food and that of new office
buildings and coworking spaces need to consider well being.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, I was in an office building. Well, she wasn't
office building.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I was in a coworking space meeting with somebody something
I'm collaborating with, and was what was interesting was this
this coworking group are putting theirs inside shopping centers so
they're not in corporate environments or in the CB. They're
actually out in the sabers, but actually in shopping centers.
So the food is all around you, the buzz is
all around you. You can do your shopping there and
(28:04):
it will worser coals or anality, and then you can
also come back to word. It's fascinating. That's that's that's
where they've decided they're going to put their space.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
So yeah, innovation, yeah, absolutely, and innovation in coworking too
is niche spaces. So I'm really interested in that one.
And what's happening overseas.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, what's a Niche's what's the ones have jumped out
at you into.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Theage spaces crypto building in Texas? Right, because when I
mean niche and you know it could be hairdressers. Yeah,
they we go back to community. They're all going to
support each other and they're all like minds and help
each other through. They're not just working on their investments
at home. So niche spaces and specialized spaces are definitely
(28:54):
the future because there's more need now. Yeah, so you
don't have to be everything to everyone.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yes, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
People have also specialized as well, so looking for more
like minded communities. In fact, I was just on a
call with my like minded community this morning and my
wife says to me, I helus the call, and I said,
you know, that's really good being on a call with
other people who do what I do and run into
the same problems I do, and we're actually solving it.
People are volunteering how to solve this particular problem, which
(29:23):
is really unique to a speaker or a podcaster. It's
really it is super helpful because time is poor. It
was a really super helpful forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah. So but what if you worked in the same
environment with those people every day? Can you imagine your wellness,
your growth, your idea, generation, your everything. There's a podcast
seven level building in content creation studio co working space
in it Lante. Wow, that's exactly what you were just
talking about. Your community together. You're all working on your
(29:55):
side gigs and brands, but together you're stronger. And you
know that's I remember we talked about this in COVID.
That's a trend where competition is your best friend.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, yeah, co opetition, I think we call it. Yes,
that's that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
But I think, yeah, you can really learn so much
too long you're open minded growth mindset.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean that's kind of like you haven't got that,
you not do that.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But if you've got that going for you, you can always
learning from somebody else and referring and you get to
know each other. And I mean that's literally what happened
to me during this During this group meeting, I found
one person that had a client ask me for something
that I don't do, but thought I might know somebody,
and at the time I didn't, but I was on
my call and I go, hang on a second, you know, Michelle,
do you can you on chat?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do you actually do this? And she's like, oh, yes,
I'm a specialist. I see great, we're chatting, and now
I've just gone back to my client. Is someone I trust,
I know what they do. This is actually what they do.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What I think you're after put them together, right, That's
the that's the beauty of community.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, it's a beauty of karma because it always aways
comes around.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Absolutely And when you ask me what's the cocoa energy
in what a cocoa moment is? That's it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah I think that no, no, but but it is
it's sort of been the ether. It's kind of out there.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's I'm going to say it's the vibe, but it's
kind of like that, like that vibe at Let's Switch Gears.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Just for the last couple of questions I.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Had for because I know you're super busy at work,
but you've also you're a mum. You have three kids
I and I know, and one of the one is
a professional athlete. Tell Us, tell us a bit more
about is that Tilly who's the professional athlete?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
First of all, I love all my children and they're
all amazing athletes, you know, in life, in their life.
But yeah, Paul Tilly has a lum light on her.
She's a she's just turned Yeah, she's fifteen and during COVID,
Oh gosh, we're saying that silly word again. She was
(31:57):
an academic, Well I think she's pretty academ but she
doesn't love it. She would smash out her work and
lunchtime go and meet the boys and build jumps and
ride mote bikes. She used to come back limping and
I'm right, I'm right, and show me videos of like
twenty foot jumps. And she would have been eleven and
(32:19):
so she just quit her other sports and said, I
want to race downhill mountain books all right, so we've
got no idea about it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Who I have learned so much from her. Yeah, just
it's the most amazing sport for one. Thankful for her
that most weekends in the season I get to go
to a mountain. My favorite thing. But the ability to
trust one's self and one's body and mind at such
(32:50):
a young age, all of the athletes on the track,
I'd love to say, especially the females, but is something
you've got a witness to believe. So the problem solving
the resilience.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
People say to her, Oh, she must be fearless and crazy.
Absolutely not. She's got the strength of mind, the knowledge
of her ability, and the belief and the passion. So
as a parent, she's honestly risking her life every time
she hits down that hill.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Correct. And what I learned very quickly is she's all right,
I need to manage myself for her to be successful.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yes, you're one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The fact, it's a very interesting statement people make to you,
and they say as parents, look at parents, you shouldn't
get your children to do anything that you're not prepared
to do. Right now, you know that's not true because
I tackled the motocross track at one point where my
son was motocross racing, and I thought, you know what,
I really should go out there, and I got even
in the motorcycles I used to motocross race years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I tried his track and I'm like, no, that statement
is complete. BS. I cannot do what they do. I'm
just that way.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I could make decisions fast enough, but I think as
adults also, I know consequences are coming off. So I
had this thing in the background, and so there are things. No,
if your kids can do stuff, you don't have to
go and do them. You have to support them at
one hundred percent. I love the way you know more
about probably in our tire pressures and shock absorbers and
all sorts of rip gel and stuff that you probably
(34:28):
didn't know five years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But you've got to support them for it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And I love the fact that the speeds that she's
doing and the downhill stuff that she's doing is super exciting.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's so exciting, and I think she's probably doing well
because we have no idea and apart from my first
learning my first race. Well, I thought, oh this is fun.
I'll go walk up to the rock garden, right yeah,
And I saw the first person come down and end
up spinal dragged off, like, I don't know if I
(35:01):
want to watch this, found the beer ten at the bottom.
My nerves her coming down. I'm like, you can do
the beeline, watch out for the tree, don't do this,
don't do that. And we just did not have a
good date. And then I listened to some podcasts and
sort of reflected on it, going that was all me
(35:22):
and my fear. And now I don't say words. She packs.
I just make sure she's hydrated and eating good food, sleeps,
and I give her rocks every time and say I
love watching you have fun. Go for it.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's that's all you can do. And you know, I
think it's a really good approach.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And I've started when says when my oldest son Ben
was racing, there was a really funny part that all the.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Dads would come out with the kids.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
This is when he was motocross racing dirt bikes on
the start line and we'd all have our prep talk
and the kids are all like when men minute and
they've got their goggles and their helmets on, and and
that we'd always come up and give them some like
go for that one they're watch that part of the corner,
or don't they forget to break? And really later on
at the end of the end of season kind of
awards night, the kids were all together and they're going,
you just said today. They said to the dads, you
(36:09):
guys know, we have no idea what you're saying. We
can't hear anything, so we're just not in our helmets
to make you feel good.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
We got no idea where you're saying. We're all going.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
We felt we were encouraged and to going no idea
you might in fact, it's actually distracting.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
You're not do it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So and the other thing I learned was we had
really no influence on them, but the kids who were
three to four years older.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's how you got changed done.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
So if I ever wanted to do something we were
something done that makes sense, I'd say to one of
the fort and a fifty year olds, Hey, you can
you a check the bends may be asking about this
part or how he does that, and they go over
and do it, and then.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That would be it. That would be Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I learned this from trend today and I'm like, great,
sick because we were just too old. We just weren't
We weren't part of the scene. And we also moved
on way faster than when I was there.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Well, the beauty about mountain biking, and Chilli's actually said
this because she's come from an elite team sport, right,
is no one's at the start gate. You can only
see them at the finish line. You can't see them riding. Yes,
you've got your splits on and you're watching them come
past splits, which is the most terrifying thing to see
if they've stopped. But there's no one telling her. There's
(37:20):
no coach, there's no judgment, and we can't see so
it's just them in the track. And I just think
that's beautiful and that's one of the reasons she loves it.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, it's so cool when you said it's just her
in the track, and I think that's all distractions are out.
It's it's almost like I've heard something all describer, like
you know, finally on the start green, which is like
finally I'm home.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
This is just this is home for me.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
This is just me and it's quite It's funny that
you know, there's definitely personality types that are in this sport. Sure,
and they all say it's where my mind's most quiet,
but it was all of us, it'd be like, oh,
I'm going to die here, that's going to hurt. I
heard this beautiful thing on the Diary CEO podcast yesterday
and he said focus focus on the pedals, not the podium,
(38:10):
and that's a life message. I was like, jee, isn't
that true that you watch and this is the inspiration
I get from all of these athletes on the track
is they can only be in the present moment to
get down and survive. It's remarkable.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, they are so which is amazing. But she's
also Chilly's now a team as well. Is that right?
She's a squad.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
She's she's very fortunate. Well, she's worked very hard for it,
done at all her self. We don't get involved. She's
with she writes for a Commensal Australia, which is a
brand from Andorra, and within that team they've got sponsors
and support, so it's wonderful. She has a mechanic at
national races and she's a part of a team she's
(39:00):
the only junior writer. So there's a pro girl and
two males and they're just beautiful. So that's when it's
really nice and she gets to have these mentors and support,
so that that's had a massive impact on her performance.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, no, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And I'm going to say almost an up with the
fact that she's going downhill.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It doesn't make sense, but you know, you know I'm
getting it.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So a couple of things. Let's let's talk about this.
Where where can people find out more about Coco? What's
the what's the website?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Socials? Would you recommend?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, website Coco place dot com dot you and Instagram
co dot co place.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Beautiful and that tell us about is till He's got
some socials, so people want to find it.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
More about Downhill.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Got Billy Botal one word Tilly.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Botal one word on that's on Instagram and all of
the social stuffsta.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm sure there's all tiktoks and things I don't know about, but.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, look out for her at a downhill space. Now
does she practice at the main Ridge one? Because is
that the main Ridge she's practicing?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
There's the red Hill tracks? But next, what is their
secret not really secret Eaton's cutting.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's a hardcore. I've walked it.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
You've walked Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. I think that when
you when you walked it, you go that's enough and
someone's going to write it. That's probably where you and
I would stop and Steph, great to catch up again.
I'm so excited at the progress that that that Coco
has had and the Coco effect. And as I said,
like I was with two other people and they were
talking about you and talking about Coco, and so.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
The brand is very real and I really.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like the Cocoa effect and hopefully people have got some
some what just find it? What's really possible that comes
out of the we said that word again, the pandemic,
but actually what went through it and what's possible now
going forward and some of the inspirational stories you show,
and even you know your family and your kids have
so likely to have a mum like you who kind
of has that innovative growth mindset as well.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So thanks so much for being on the show.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Oh thanks for saying those lovely things. Thanks son, No worries.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Stay Steph.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Thinking big and chasing down their dreams. Would you please
make welcome Steph Costa. How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I'm great, Thanks, Ron, lovely to see you. It's been years.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Since I you were a guest on show.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I think almost one of our very first guests on
the show.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I think right back, either just when the pandemic was
starting or just a couple of months into it. And
at that point I think you had just opened Coco,
if I'm right.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yes, Coco would have been about maybe three years old
and going really well. And Coco is a coworking space. Yes,
And what we were talking about is, you know, all
of a sudden, everyone's at home, so what's going to
happen in the coworking industry. So our predictions were spot on.
Back then, I was.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Thinking, you do it right.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was thinking about that because you were at the
time people were doubting you, which has happened in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
We all know that, and you were right.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You had all these assumptions and predictions that you talked
to me back on that podcast, Lads and gym and
feel free to go back to the episode and r
Us listen to it if you don't trust step and
I and they really come true. I mean a lot
of things that we thought weren't going to work in
for co working spaces, especially you've got a lovely one
and a beautiful part of Victoria. We'll talk about that
in the moment. A lot of things were going to
(01:56):
go against them, but.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That didn't turn out that way.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Tell us about that no particularly, So you know, I'll
just say coworking. I'm in a suburban slash, I mean
regional area. We bought it right on regional for Australia posts,
but we're only an hour for Melbourne. Coworking was massive,
like big boom just before COVID in the cities. I
remember going to conferences and the others owners saying you're crazy.
(02:23):
I think, you know, we talked about this, like why
would you have a coworking space in a regional area,
And here we are and everyone now wanting to be
in the suburbs and the regional areas to live, but
also co working spaces, bigger coworking spaces looking to our
area and it's just going from strength to strength. I
(02:44):
think coming out of COVID people were definitely nervous. You know,
remember the days of the big open plan and as
funny statistic, only thirty percent of co working spaces in
Australia survive, so unbelievable. Statistic really is quite sad. But
I think what happened with coworking lots of smaller people's
(03:06):
like I'll just go rent an offers, put lots of
desks in and it will work. But those days have gone.
You know, people don't want to sit in an open
plan space anymore. And you know I see here at
Coco Place, everyone's on a video call every day. Everyone
wants a bit of privacy. So it took everyone a
while to come out and now it's I get inundated.
(03:29):
I just need to get out of the house. I
need human connection. So I think we all got a
little comfortable at home, got a bit scared to come out,
but definitely now everyone wants out, but also that flexibility
to go back home.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Talk to me about that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Because there was a bit of Coco places in Mornington,
which is on the Mornington Binicsula. It's kind of a
gateway to the Morington bnicula. It's a it's just said,
kind of a metrover regional on the kind of cast.
But I definitely experienced a lot of my friends and
colleagues move. You moved down to the peninsula, moved to
you know, the beach houses became their main residence. I
know a lot of them have sold then their Melbourne
(04:06):
residences have moved down there. So there was that kind
of comfort of working out of the beach house or
working at a house on the peninsula. But that but
then you also saw them say that let's want to
go back to that where they went Hang on, second,
this is a bit too much, or maybe there's there's
two people in the house, or someone needs to get out,
or we need to have that sort of sense of
companionship or sense of community that's out there, so is
(04:30):
that that's also I think some of the growth that
you saw would that.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Be right totally Apart from my loyal members that were there,
you know, in the mud through COVID and stuck around
the I honestly would have had over eighty five percent.
Nearly ninety percent of my new members since COVID have
moved down. So they're either young families so kinder heading
(04:55):
into primary school, or young couples, young professional couples buying
their first home and living the lifestyle balance. The biggest,
biggest factor is connection. And I seem to be the
place people come and they've just moved down. They either
work in a coworking space in Melbourne and now they
(05:17):
know so they either have worked in coworking and they
know they can get a community quickly, or they come
and move down and they're still rushing around not feeling
like they fit and they and coworking has been a
place for them to really find their tribe and their
community and know that I've got someone here and he's like,
(05:40):
I'll just come one day a week. I'm like, cool,
you still go to Melbourne and then a month later
have you got room for two days? And now he's
here full time and doesn't go back to Melbourne, and
the mindset shift of oh it's okay, I can still
do my job, be professional and there's really great light,
minds and people around. Definitely seen a spike in, a
(06:06):
spike in professionals coming into co working spaces, Whereas when
we would have first chatted it was startups entrepreneurship. We
still have them, a lot of them are doing their
side hustle, but really a big spike in CEOs and
professionals not wanting to be in HQ anymore and away
from their staff. And I mean there's the obvious I
need to get away from my wife. I need to
(06:28):
get away from my husband. We both can't work from
home anymore. Yes, yes, you know that's obvious. But really
it comes down to community and that is where the
biggest spaces are struggling and where the trend is now
is how do we harness community and something that's always
been my purpose. It's mean a tough ride because with
(06:50):
that balance becomes loss of income or you're not really
maximizing your revenue per square meet, But in the end,
if you know what your purpose is and it's really
been community and that's really hold held us strong Coco
through these periods. So yeah, more than ever, people are
just craving that connection across other industries.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had I had lunch in Mornington a couple of
weeks ago, and one of the person I was having
lunch with and I mentioned, I mention your name came
up in dispatches and the person's name was actually at.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Coco, Bernard Bascal.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And Bernard said to me, Steph is just such a
great community builder.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
And I thought that was really interesting because you see,
and I said, tell me more.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh, she's just so good what she's done with Coco
and how she built people and she brings people together.
And I was noticing what you spoke about purpose a
second ago, and you said that you are going to
read this because I want to get it right.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You said that you.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Create, you curate, so I curate powerful working communities.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Right, tell us about that? Why is that a passion
and how do you do it?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Because he was a client and it was completely not
you didn't knowing about it, That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He said, that's what you do, That's what Steph does.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
That's what's so good about And he was recommending another
person that we were there about Coco, and he was
talking about what you do. Tell us a bit about
why it's important to you. How you doing, How do
you create these powerful working communities.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, honestly, it's it's organically happens. There's no formula. I
have to say. I have always just trusted my instinct.
I know dickhead policy, right, And what I mean is
I try and meet people first, and I instantly get goosebumps.
(08:31):
It's clear and just walking people through, you can see
that they know someone or they interact. It's kind of
like employing someone for a job. Yeah, you get the
receptionists to offer them cup of tea and install them
and you get feedback from the receptionists later on. I
have no formula for building it because it's the humans
that do it. And that's the difference. It's when you
(08:53):
try and grow and foster a community and force connection
and force name tags and force events down people's throat.
That's not authentic. So what I do is I'm really
clear on my purpose. Every time someone comes in, I'm like,
I'm not here every day. Make yourself at home. This
(09:15):
is what the expectations are I'm not going to introduce
you to anyone. This is your home, it's not my home.
And Coco Coco we now call Coco. It actually hurts
me really emotional. Coco is this energy that's sort of
somehow happened. So it was named Coco placed for connection, collaboration,
(09:37):
but now it's Coco affectionately to everyone, and we have
Coco moments and the Cocoa energy and spirit, so that
just those moments happen due to people in here having
a clear purpose, a beautiful life balance like minds and
working together and crossing over. I don't actually curate it,
but what I do is if there's a beautiful Coco moment,
(10:00):
I'll harness it and make it a ritual. But everything's
community led, not led by me. So it's the walls
that create the community. But I'm more, i would say,
aware of when they occur. Okay, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
How do you stay How do you stay aware?
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Because I know you're also a really good communicator, And
for those who Steph and I were in the advertising
marketing business many years ago, because sir, you've always had
a really great space for marketing communication skills, how do
you because I think you do that really well. Maybe
I don't think you do, but it's innate skill, but
you do do it well. You do communicate well, and
(10:37):
I think you guess. Hey, it's actually how you build
it organically as well.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
When I feel something, I follow it. So you just
observe and listen a lot. You make sure you're not
the voice of the space, it's everyone else. I went
through a phase, maybe because I had to go and
work in Melbourne for a while, But after COVID, I
my members would I'd intentionally not be around when there's
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a tour and then a member would have to jump
up and take someone around. And it's a better story
from them, from them than me. Yeah. Look, I could
say there's a formula. Now, it's not that I follow it,
but I could definitely tell someone how to do it.
And actually, what I've decided too is everyone's like, we
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need more, we need more cocoas. And I went through
a real thinking process during COVID and was like when
we came back and the spirit of togetherness and the
shifts people have made within their own business that you
get to witness here gives you tears and that is
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what needs to be harnessed. So the Coco effect I
would rather take to more communities and build more communities
than open more spo So that's where that focus is.
So I think it's just a natural thing to me
because the key is you don't drive it. Everyone else does.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Everyone else drives it.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So you're seeing again you talked about taking the Coco
effect to communities. So does that mean opening more Coco
spaces or and or yeah, just taking me bok the
Coco effect.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
So, as I said, there's these little moments where people
end up doing business together. Actually two people are sitting
on desks, we sat in a meeting. I had this
idea of Team Coco. Yeah, so there's some I wonder
that might be taken though. There's some wonderful minds that
come through this space. You know, we've got up to
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thirty eight members, but only really twelve any given day,
So I constantly have people and businesses coming up to
potential and needing help in growth or startups. It's like,
and I'm constantly referring them to people who I value,
not just because they're members. So I thought, let's all
work together for a client and all our little skills.
(13:11):
Let's all come together as Team Coco and help clients.
So we had this moment. This is an example. We're
in a meeting presenting to a potential new client and
these two people I were with, Coco one and Coco two,
just were like Yin and Yang, but just so clearly
focused and they looked at each other and this connection.
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So they were in their own little separate service businesses.
It was electrifying and I could feel it. And we
walked out and they're like, we've got to work together.
And now they've started a business, They've taken over an
office for the couple of months. It's so cool. That's
a Coc moment. We have guys in here that started
a podcast together. It's Coco moment. There's just like someone's
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down and everyone's there to support, but it just happens.
Or someone's client may walk in and you've known them
from ten years ago, and it's that, oh, Okay, that
person's going to be good to work with because I
know that they're friends with rot Ye. But these moments
just keep and when you're witnessing them, even if they're
not your moments, they keep your life. You know, I've
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witnessed someone move from two days a week to a
desk to his own office. Now he's got funding a
new tech business. And seeing that person go through the
journey within the building over the years is like, so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's really life change, isn't it for you to see that?
It's so empowering and exciting to see the vision come alive.
One of the things I saw you doing as well
was School of Coco. Tell us about what School of
Coco is about.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
School of Coco is something I've had in my head
for nine years. Was sort of dipping my toe in
it before COVID. Then COVID hit and it was out
the door. I did launch it during COVID. So you know,
we've heard of the School of Life model. We all
go to presentations, we all listen to podcasts. There's so
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much content and knowledge out there that we can digest
in any form we want. But in COVID, it was like,
let's go back to the family dinners, you know, let's
go back to real storytelling which I love and really
connect and learn and really engage authentic way. So School Coco,
(15:35):
I'd love to roll out family Dinners with some partners
at Coco and you invite your amazing speaker to come
and have dinner, and you pay to sit there, and
it goes to charity and you actually learn while sharing
a meal. Go back to that sort of family storytelling
model and days and not just sitting in front of
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a workshop speaker. There's also a young entrepreneurship program, so
we've got someone in now, but I used to do
that a long time ago. The extension to that is, Okay,
we've got all these wonderful minds and people wanting to
give back, and particularly so annoying to say the pandemic,
the pandemic, but people do, I've found. I'm sure it's everywhere,
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but I'm finding here people really do have more purpose
filled lives and work balance. Giving back is, as we
all know, huge part of that to have mentorship program
and virtual boards from our members who can help other businesses.
So school Coco will sort of come to life in
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various forms, and that's right that Coco. We go back
to what's the Coco effect. It doesn't have to be
in a space. It's bringing together minds of different people
who want to give back in a real way. So
I'm looking at setting up you know boards that you
can rent for a month to give you advice and mentorship,
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and yeah, it's the home.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I really, I really liked that idea.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
In fact, you know, the crazy thing about it is
it still gets back to what Coco stands for, isn't
it correct. It's right back that community and collaboration. So
it's really that it's really living and breathing, isn't it.
I mean, I think it's it's not a building. It's
it's it's I understand that a lot better now that
it's not the building. It's really about the effect and
the action happens. And that's I've I've rented and used
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a lot of coworking spaces. They're pretty sterile the ones
I've been in. I mean, it kind of nice to
me and my nice coffee, and people kind of nice,
great greets you, and the good reception of yours is
going And I think that's why people talk about it
so much. It really has uplifted and kind of almost
like coworking on steroids. But it's that community side and
that collaboration which is really the reason people.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Are going there. It's actually not for the lovely furniture
and the nice coffee.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's actually for the connection side, which I think, is
it really cool You've also done You've also going to
pot studio now as well.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I knows you you put that in, so I think,
how's that one? Has that going?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And secondly, tell me about other innivity of ideas like
that that you might be doing in the future.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I think we had a discussion about this and you
in our first podcast, You're like, watch your business plan,
and I said it. I'd love to say I'm planned,
but I'm not. I just go with the feel. So
in COVID, remember the builder calling going, oh, I've got
a week of work. Can I get in? And he
came in and we drew on the ground what I wanted.
I said, we're going to need more meeting spaces and
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podcasting and content creation is going to be a thing.
And then I think, I think, and you know, it's
more than a thing now, isn't it. I've got, you know,
the clientele I have coming in of people going I've
been told I'm going to do go to do a podcast,
and I have to do a podcast. So I'm really
getting the first time as I've got really great equipment.
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I set it up for them, press record give them confidence.
I'm not an expert at all. I'd like to be.
I'm going to do more some research into how to
help people develop podcasts. I don't want one, but I
just get such joy seeing the delight on people's faces
(19:18):
when they talk about what they love and what they're
good at and share it. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Your studio looks amazing too, And I think that's a
that's a confidence thing too.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
When you started to do it, and having done a
bit of podcasting for a.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
While, I know what a good studio looks like, and
yours looks fantastic the way you've said it up, you know,
And I think that's what you do as well. It
looks professional. So the bar gets raised and that gives
people confidence.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
This is going to come out. I'm just going to
be me.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
On the mic. Yeah, yeah, totally. Sometimes I get them
to come in for a little play and give them
some wine at night and then we just sort of
have some fun and a chat and I record it
and then play it back. Great, I actually sound like
I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah that's the wine talking, Yeah exactly. Yeah, I love it.
We need more of that. Going on during the time
you've had Coco going along.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Has there been any kind of I guess, ideas and
businesses that have kind of jumped out at you that
have really stood out, that come from a kind of
an interesting idea and even surprised you.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
But what they've done over the life.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
It doesn't have to be in tech or anything, but
just an idea of constant that someone's come in a
bit like the guy's growing from one day a week
to more that anyone like anything like that that stood out.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I mean, obviously tech is big. It wasn't here. You know,
we were full of the entrepreneurs start up and we
really weren't tech, but we are now. When I say tech,
I really mean giving back to the world tech, which
lights me up. Maybe I'd like to share a story
of the non tech and what really helps our communities
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and not for profits that have free memberships here and
what they bring. It's got a beautiful story of one
of our members and local beautiful humans you know that
everyone knows locally. He recognized in COVID that all these
women were going for walks and chatting to each other,
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and I actually bumped into him on the beach at
one of my long walks and I'd just done the
Mojo Crow course and he was struggling a bit, and
I said, you know, look at this anyway. He just
put it out there one Sunday morning on Facebook community
group do any men want to go for a walk?
Meet me at six o'clock in the village And he
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was waiting at six o'clock or whatever, six point thirty.
He's like, no one was there, and within minutes ten
people came out of the dark men. Oh and watching
this idea in the last year has gone from Whe're
going for a walk every Sunday for an hour, to
the coffee that goes for an hour and a half
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to there's now fifty sixty men turning up. Wow, being
commas and just see them walking through up the beach
is just like it's amazing ingles to now locations around Victoria,
to doing a collaboration with the coffee brand down here
on the peninsula and giving back. And then the coolest
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part is that effect where these men that are walking
and sharing lives and stories are now helping within the community.
They're helping the food banks, they're helping build something to
support you know, women and youth and they're actually taking
though those people actually going to help others. So it's
(22:55):
called Sunrise Wanderers.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Right, Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Just you know, they've been they've had a couple of
meetings where they use Coco Place and they're mentoring youth.
So you can imagine the minds and these there's a
lot of retirees that have moved down in COVID moved
to their holiday house and they want to get back. Yes,
there's the beautiful generations of knowledge and skill and so
that has been the most simple idea that turned into
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something so impactful that is really exciting. I think to
see where that goes.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, that's I mean, that is again life changing. What
a great moment, you know, the mean to be you
met on the beach, you know, and I'm sure you
had some your inspirational in turns of kind of changing
it around.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
And I think that's really interesting as I agree with
it too.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It's been a lot of retirees or it was a
sort of semi retired you know, going down that way
as well.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And I don't I think a lot of it did
come out.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I think a lot of purpose, purpose for conversations came
out of the back end of the experience we kind
of had to have, especially Victoria, because that's it is
interesting and a lot of people still around Australia, most
as they overseas, so I don't really know what we
experienced down here and our severe the lockdowns were and
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the impact it had on community and on connection.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
So yeah, I think that's really interesting. I love the.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Idea that's come out of that tech ideas because I
think also it's changing the type of people who are
coming in. You've spoken about the different types of people
that are coming in and you keeping up.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
To date with that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
How do you keep up to date with all you
have to Are you adding new technology into Coco as
well in terms of streaming internet speed data centers?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Is AI impacting your business at all? I'm interested to know.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, funny you say that I've had a month of
my head in developing an app. We have launched an
app today. Well you should look online. Well, if you
look at the trends, I mean there's a few things
to answer there. First of all, you look at the
trends in coworking and the people coming in now there's
a lot of younger I used to be like I've
(25:03):
got to meet you before you come in. And now
people just need to book meetings desks, no one. We
all book our GP appointments online. So I call them
the commitment phobic generation, right, Yeah, they need to just
book and use and they don't want to. They don't
need to interact with a human get the service. So
(25:27):
I've opened up the doors to them, which is exciting
and it's really nice to have that generational range within
the space. In terms of AI, it's definitely affecting the
industry in a positive way. So we all need to
make sure our tech is ready to support it, which
is what I've been working on. There's AI integration across spaces.
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So obviously the biggest shift in work is hybrid work.
So there's teams at home and they may go to
HQ for a meeting, but through Google Calendar now is
Google Spaces, so someone from home, you might have a
meeting scheduled with some of your team members across the
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state on Thursday, and if the AI will pick up,
how you could go and work at Mornington together at
this time in this space. So using AI to connect
calendars to pop up options to go and work somewhere
together for the day. So that's that's that sort of
movement well being Apart from AI Will and AI with
(26:36):
well being. Well being huge and a massive opportunity in
coworking because it's such a focus for everyone. And I
love that the young generation now are posting photos of
their gym workouts. Are not their beaight tens well they are,
but you know.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
At the gym workout that.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So well being is huge. So being able to provide
first of all an environment that makes you is well
to work within, but where you can have your well breaks.
There's some great spaces popping up, you know, new builds
in Melbourne. I was talking to an architect who I
work with and they've got a new level going into
(27:23):
an office of building with saunas and plunge pools and
infrareden This is that food and that of new office
buildings and coworking spaces need to consider well being.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, I was in an office building. Well, she wasn't
office building.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I was in a coworking space meeting with somebody something
I'm collaborating with, and was what was interesting was this
this coworking group are putting theirs inside shopping centers so
they're not in corporate environments or in the CB. They're
actually out in the sabers, but actually in shopping centers.
So the food is all around you, the buzz is
all around you. You can do your shopping there and
(28:04):
it will worser coals or anality, and then you can
also come back to word. It's fascinating. That's that's that's
where they've decided they're going to put their space.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
So yeah, innovation, yeah, absolutely, and innovation in coworking too
is niche spaces. So I'm really interested in that one.
And what's happening overseas.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Right, what's a Niche's what's the ones have jumped out
at you into.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Theage spaces crypto building in Texas? Right, because when I
mean niche and you know it could be hairdressers. Yeah,
they we go back to community. They're all going to
support each other and they're all like minds and help
each other through. They're not just working on their investments
at home. So niche spaces and specialized spaces are definitely
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the future because there's more need now. Yeah, so you
don't have to be everything to everyone.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yes, I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
People have also specialized as well, so looking for more
like minded communities. In fact, I was just on a
call with my like minded community this morning and my
wife says to me, I helus the call, and I said,
you know, that's really good being on a call with
other people who do what I do and run into
the same problems I do, and we're actually solving it.
People are volunteering how to solve this particular problem, which
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is really unique to a speaker or a podcaster. It's
really it is super helpful because time is poor. It
was a really super helpful forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah. So but what if you worked in the same
environment with those people every day? Can you imagine your wellness,
your growth, your idea, generation, your everything. There's a podcast
seven level building in content creation studio co working space
in it Lante. Wow, that's exactly what you were just
talking about. Your community together. You're all working on your
(29:55):
side gigs and brands, but together you're stronger. And you
know that's I remember we talked about this in COVID.
That's a trend where competition is your best friend.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yes, yeah, co opetition, I think we call it. Yes,
that's that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
But I think, yeah, you can really learn so much
too long you're open minded growth mindset.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I mean that's kind of like you haven't got that,
you not do that.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
But if you've got that going for you, you can always
learning from somebody else and referring and you get to
know each other. And I mean that's literally what happened
to me during this During this group meeting, I found
one person that had a client ask me for something
that I don't do, but thought I might know somebody,
and at the time I didn't, but I was on
my call and I go, hang on a second, you know, Michelle,
do you can you on chat?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do you actually do this? And she's like, oh, yes,
I'm a specialist. I see great, we're chatting, and now
I've just gone back to my client. Is someone I trust,
I know what they do. This is actually what they do.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
What I think you're after put them together, right, That's
the that's the beauty of community.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah, it's a beauty of karma because it always aways
comes around.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Absolutely And when you ask me what's the cocoa energy
in what a cocoa moment is? That's it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah I think that no, no, but but it is
it's sort of been the ether. It's kind of out there.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
It's I'm going to say it's the vibe, but it's
kind of like that, like that vibe at Let's Switch Gears.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Just for the last couple of questions I.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Had for because I know you're super busy at work,
but you've also you're a mum. You have three kids
I and I know, and one of the one is
a professional athlete. Tell Us, tell us a bit more
about is that Tilly who's the professional athlete?
Speaker 3 (31:37):
First of all, I love all my children and they're
all amazing athletes, you know, in life, in their life.
But yeah, Paul Tilly has a lum light on her.
She's a she's just turned Yeah, she's fifteen and during COVID,
Oh gosh, we're saying that silly word again. She was
(31:57):
an academic, Well I think she's pretty academ but she
doesn't love it. She would smash out her work and
lunchtime go and meet the boys and build jumps and
ride mote bikes. She used to come back limping and
I'm right, I'm right, and show me videos of like
twenty foot jumps. And she would have been eleven and
(32:19):
so she just quit her other sports and said, I
want to race downhill mountain books all right, so we've
got no idea about it.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
That's funny.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Who I have learned so much from her. Yeah, just
it's the most amazing sport for one. Thankful for her
that most weekends in the season I get to go
to a mountain. My favorite thing. But the ability to
trust one's self and one's body and mind at such
(32:50):
a young age, all of the athletes on the track,
I'd love to say, especially the females, but is something
you've got a witness to believe. So the problem solving
the resilience.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
People say to her, Oh, she must be fearless and crazy.
Absolutely not. She's got the strength of mind, the knowledge
of her ability, and the belief and the passion. So
as a parent, she's honestly risking her life every time
she hits down that hill.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Correct. And what I learned very quickly is she's all right,
I need to manage myself for her to be successful.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yes, you're one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The fact, it's a very interesting statement people make to you,
and they say as parents, look at parents, you shouldn't
get your children to do anything that you're not prepared
to do. Right now, you know that's not true because
I tackled the motocross track at one point where my
son was motocross racing, and I thought, you know what,
I really should go out there, and I got even
in the motorcycles I used to motocross race years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I tried his track and I'm like, no, that statement
is complete. BS. I cannot do what they do. I'm
just that way.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I could make decisions fast enough, but I think as
adults also, I know consequences are coming off. So I
had this thing in the background, and so there are things. No,
if your kids can do stuff, you don't have to
go and do them. You have to support them at
one hundred percent. I love the way you know more
about probably in our tire pressures and shock absorbers and
all sorts of rip gel and stuff that you probably
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didn't know five years ago.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
But you've got to support them for it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And I love the fact that the speeds that she's
doing and the downhill stuff that she's doing is super exciting.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
It's so exciting, and I think she's probably doing well
because we have no idea and apart from my first
learning my first race. Well, I thought, oh this is fun.
I'll go walk up to the rock garden, right yeah,
And I saw the first person come down and end
up spinal dragged off, like, I don't know if I
(35:01):
want to watch this, found the beer ten at the bottom.
My nerves her coming down. I'm like, you can do
the beeline, watch out for the tree, don't do this,
don't do that. And we just did not have a
good date. And then I listened to some podcasts and
sort of reflected on it, going that was all me
(35:22):
and my fear. And now I don't say words. She packs.
I just make sure she's hydrated and eating good food, sleeps,
and I give her rocks every time and say I
love watching you have fun. Go for it.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
That's that's all you can do. And you know, I
think it's a really good approach.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And I've started when says when my oldest son Ben
was racing, there was a really funny part that all the.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Dads would come out with the kids.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
This is when he was motocross racing dirt bikes on
the start line and we'd all have our prep talk
and the kids are all like when men minute and
they've got their goggles and their helmets on, and and
that we'd always come up and give them some like
go for that one they're watch that part of the corner,
or don't they forget to break? And really later on
at the end of the end of season kind of
awards night, the kids were all together and they're going,
you just said today. They said to the dads, you
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guys know, we have no idea what you're saying. We
can't hear anything, so we're just not in our helmets
to make you feel good.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
We got no idea where you're saying. We're all going.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
We felt we were encouraged and to going no idea
you might in fact, it's actually distracting.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
You're not do it.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
So and the other thing I learned was we had
really no influence on them, but the kids who were
three to four years older.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's how you got changed done.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
So if I ever wanted to do something we were
something done that makes sense, I'd say to one of
the fort and a fifty year olds, Hey, you can
you a check the bends may be asking about this
part or how he does that, and they go over
and do it, and then.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That would be it. That would be Oh.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I learned this from trend today and I'm like, great,
sick because we were just too old. We just weren't
We weren't part of the scene. And we also moved
on way faster than when I was there.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Well, the beauty about mountain biking, and Chilli's actually said
this because she's come from an elite team sport, right,
is no one's at the start gate. You can only
see them at the finish line. You can't see them riding. Yes,
you've got your splits on and you're watching them come
past splits, which is the most terrifying thing to see
if they've stopped. But there's no one telling her. There's
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no coach, there's no judgment, and we can't see so
it's just them in the track. And I just think
that's beautiful and that's one of the reasons she loves it.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, it's so cool when you said it's just her
in the track, and I think that's all distractions are out.
It's it's almost like I've heard something all describer, like
you know, finally on the start green, which is like
finally I'm home.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
This is just this is home for me.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
This is just me and it's quite It's funny that
you know, there's definitely personality types that are in this sport. Sure,
and they all say it's where my mind's most quiet,
but it was all of us, it'd be like, oh,
I'm going to die here, that's going to hurt. I
heard this beautiful thing on the Diary CEO podcast yesterday
and he said focus focus on the pedals, not the podium,
(38:10):
and that's a life message. I was like, jee, isn't
that true that you watch and this is the inspiration
I get from all of these athletes on the track
is they can only be in the present moment to
get down and survive. It's remarkable.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, yeah, they are so which is amazing. But she's
also Chilly's now a team as well. Is that right?
She's a squad.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
She's she's very fortunate. Well, she's worked very hard for it,
done at all her self. We don't get involved. She's
with she writes for a Commensal Australia, which is a
brand from Andorra, and within that team they've got sponsors
and support, so it's wonderful. She has a mechanic at
national races and she's a part of a team she's
(39:00):
the only junior writer. So there's a pro girl and
two males and they're just beautiful. So that's when it's
really nice and she gets to have these mentors and support,
so that that's had a massive impact on her performance.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, no, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And I'm going to say almost an up with the
fact that she's going downhill.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
It doesn't make sense, but you know, you know I'm
getting it.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
So a couple of things. Let's let's talk about this.
Where where can people find out more about Coco? What's
the what's the website?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Socials? Would you recommend?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, website Coco place dot com dot you and Instagram
co dot co place.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Beautiful and that tell us about is till He's got
some socials, so people want to find it.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
More about Downhill.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Got Billy Botal one word Tilly.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Botal one word on that's on Instagram and all of
the social stuffsta.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I'm sure there's all tiktoks and things I don't know about, but.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah, look out for her at a downhill space. Now
does she practice at the main Ridge one? Because is
that the main Ridge she's practicing?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
There's the red Hill tracks? But next, what is their
secret not really secret Eaton's cutting.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That's a hardcore. I've walked it.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
You've walked Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. I think that when
you when you walked it, you go that's enough and
someone's going to write it. That's probably where you and
I would stop and Steph, great to catch up again.
I'm so excited at the progress that that that Coco
has had and the Coco effect. And as I said,
like I was with two other people and they were
talking about you and talking about Coco, and so.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
The brand is very real and I really.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like the Cocoa effect and hopefully people have got some
some what just find it? What's really possible that comes
out of the we said that word again, the pandemic,
but actually what went through it and what's possible now
going forward and some of the inspirational stories you show,
and even you know your family and your kids have
so likely to have a mum like you who kind
of has that innovative growth mindset as well.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So thanks so much for being on the show.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Oh thanks for saying those lovely things. Thanks son, No worries.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Stay Steph.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
I hope you enjoyed this episode of the It's All
Possible Podcast. You can contact me at Rob at Robhartner
dot com or my website, Robharder dot com, or on LinkedIn.
Remember to check out the previous seasons and episodes of
the podcast and the show notes for more details on
this episode's guest.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
For more inspiration, remember to check out the.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
All Possibility Players on spotted by, which contains a collection upbeat,
positive music I use for inspiration in my live performances.
Until next time, Live with Passion at a Perspective of Possibility,
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