ep. 237: Sean Oliver, Shuli Egar & Dan from Nice Podcast, Stupid takes turns jingling my bells

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
D D D D D D D M.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
I n y.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
It is Husy, Hello, and yes it is the Christmas
season that has finally begun, and we have started with
the first of the hopefully many many Christmas episodes that
we were going to be doing over the next is
it month? Whatever the fuck your curse, This may be
the only one that I stop right here. Of course,

(03:47):
as you heard that intro song, tradition I love to do,
that is Santa Claus has got the age this year
by the beautiful tiny tim and this music you can
hear right now, well, that is, of course the the
music from the Pogue's classic fairy Tale of New York,
maybe the greatest Christmas song of all time, but only

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because it's Irish. Everybody knows it's probably last Christmas. But
who he's gonna judge. So I wanted to start off
on something big today, I should say, this season. So
I went and contacted the great Sean Oliver, who of
course is the co host of Click This with Kevin

(04:31):
Knige and he is the creator of the Britain k
FEB commentaries. Sean is a guy who has created more
marks than he actually realizes. He's maybe the all time
greatest shoot interviewer, and of course it is weird for

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him to be on the receiving end, so I was
able to bring him on and with a accident. They
say co hosted, maybe co guest, as you'd say, the
beautiful Shuey Egar Shuley's funny Shoot. He's a wrestling fan.
Him and Sean have spoken before and recorded before, so

(05:13):
this was fucking great. So this was great to be
able to mix it up with them. It's not like
a Mark show in that we're all like, who's your
favorite tug team any of that stuff. It's about scandals
and dramas and controversies, the fun shit that everybody likes,
not the gay shit like the actual wrestling itself. But

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speaking of gay were of course joined by the lovely
and talented Don from the Great Nice Podcast Stupid. Dan's
like me, he's just the fan that loves this stuff,
and I think this was the first time you met
Shirley or Sean, so everything went great. Ni he you'll
hear me talk about the grift and all this type

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of stuff. Hey, that's very real. The plan is to
Vegas next year, so I'm getting people on to anything
they can donate helps a lot mid some during this show.
It's not going to cover the whole flight, but it
will at least let me by a small bottle of

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water at the airport. Thanks to the modern world we
live in. To see the video version of this episode
with Huge Entertainment on YouTube. It's free to watch, so
all I would ask for you is to hit the
like button and subscribe, maybe leave a few comments to
help get the algorithm going, because that's a shit that

(06:40):
really matters to people like me. I'm at the hugely
on Twitter, at the hugely on Instagram, hgghs ed y,
and yeah, that's pretty much it. You know, of course
check out. You know I'm not gonna plug their stuff
because they plug it themselves. But what going to do? Nice?

(07:00):
You're going to go straight into this long interview. I
guess this is Christmas things. You will hear Christmas sign
bed of classics in the background for you help set
the tone. So I'm going to say Dan Shulie and
Sean Oliver, Hello.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Josie stumbled through the door, glassy eyes and whiskey bread
that screamed out loud. He was the crowd stories.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Lying at the time.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Songs of battles, lost stand on every set.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Another sale. He never jes crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
It takes the season to start begging off everybody. I've
got a full time job and a side job with
work keeping the one hundred. That doesn't mean I'm not
going to put my hand out and expect everybody else
to give me shit that I want. I'm going to
Hackeymnia three next year in Vegas, which of course means

(08:29):
I want you Peaches a ship to finance literally every
single part of it. All the way. I may get
hungry on the plane, so I would like for you
to pay for that for me. Fuck y'all please, But
of course there's a poll in the chattel street. We'll
get to after I speak to this lovely man, the

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thinner than he's been in years, Sean Oliver, Sean, how
are you doing today, my sweet?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
If that can precede me everywhere I go, that would
be awesome Sean thinner than he's.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Been in years?

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Yeah, and thank you for the founder of k fape
Commentation usually just says the dickbag guy or the you
know Batiste's dick guy.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
Doesn't matter what I do in life.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
You know ten books, you know this latest non fiction
historical groundbreaking book, it's still gonna say Batista's dick on
my epitaph.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I did not notice until right now. You really look
like Robert Darney Jr.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
You know, it's really funny.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
So as I age, I'm starting to get this an
inordinate amount of time. If I'm wearing sunglasses, it doesn't stop.
So yeah, I just now. I always got an amalgamation
of people. When I was a young actor. I would

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sometimes I'd get Spader, James Spader when I was a
much younger man, Rob Low sometimes, But now it's aging,
aging Downey is what I'm going for.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well, I've been told I'm a lot like Rob Low,
but only because I get caught a fucking teenager.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
But it's well, but you look a little like Robbolo's
cock from that film.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I don't know about the actual Rob Low, but.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
If you ever zoom in, I think there might be
a resembled Hey in your opening, why the Pride ropes?

Speaker 6 (10:35):
What?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
What's that in the in the wrestling ring? Why did
you create the Pride flag with the ropes?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
We're not going to talk about that right now, but
what we are going to talk about is co hosts.
And we've got a nice piece of us here and
if I may say, looks better than ever. It is
the beautiful mister Christmas himself. Shuey egor Shuey. How are
you doing today, Mike Sweet?

Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's a pleasure, Sean. I won't kiss your ass like
hughsy good to see your fat fuck it's been a while,
appreciate and always a pleasure, always a pleasure to.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Be here, Sean. Are you ready for hilarious wrestling joke?

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, stop in, this is gonna get good.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
W w raw there it is.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Hey, hey, shurely nice John Seemen costume. Hey, unbelievable. That's
good stuff right there. And if you don't get and
if you did and you think that's funny, we're gonna
get it to maybe the funniest guy in the world.
Don from nice podcast. But Don, how are you doing today?

Speaker 7 (11:44):
Well? I don't know about that obviously. Kevin Nash couldn't
join us today, so they got me instead, you know,
as a backup. So you know, I answered the call.
We have a lot in common, you know, the millions
and the seven feet tall now actually not an even close,
but I took a little bit of break from watching
Joshi Joshi Japanese wrestling girls jumping through the air. I

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figured i'd come on and happy to meet Sean and
a big fan from back in the day.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
Loved all the shoot interviews, so it's great to meet him.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, I'm here too, by the way, Dan, and it's
nice to meet you. And I'm a big fan of
your defensive play calling. Thank you all right? How are
we doing well?

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Speaking of the grift, so I put up a chat
where you can help. I want to know how you
are polling the chat, I should say, I want to
know how you're donating to my last Vegas fund. You
can either send numerous small super chats, or you can
gift memory ships, or you can donate as I like

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to call them red boys only, or do nothing and
hit the like button. I wonder what people will do.
That's interesting options right there, and look at this straight
away kicking it off like I'm going first class of
the jet for two dollars from Carlos Danger, big fat
guy colladial sucks. You're Jimmy Fox simp.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
So he's a fat fuck you know? Oh yeah, yeah.
It seems to be the theme tonight.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, he's I mean, you're nowhere near his.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Level shown right. Oh so that's clearly.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Jesus look of this for a roast? Can you handle
a roast?

Speaker 8 (13:28):
On?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
I thought we all shut our cameras off.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Yeah seriously.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, Well a question I've got, Well, we can't turn
off too many cameras in case you miss out on this.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
I want to say you're dirty, snatch and your asshole
at the same time.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's what I want.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Because it me yes, But I gotta ask you.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Okay here, we'll go ahead, but I gotta ask you Sean.
Of course, one of the stories at the minute is
the Lovely and Talent ad Ventures. So he's been taught
of course, started with the working with ICP on the
Wrestling show, and it's it's blown up pretty quickly, but
he keeps mansoning Urnim, Sandy, do you help the shot

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that all up? So go into vast, vast detail. But
how you help shout that up? What is the mind
in your bank account? Where do you live? And how
big is your penis?

Speaker 5 (14:28):
Well that's all been covered on you shoot, So let
me just do the Russo stuff. The so am I
supposed to break k fabe with all this, I've never
been on this side of it, so.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I don't quite know what.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
So I was working on a project with ICP and
Violent Jay and it resulted in the brilliant coffee table
book called Unaccepted Volume one about ICP's entire career in wrestling.
So in doing this, I was, you know, working with
Jay a lot, and he he there were many overtures

(15:05):
to me to do something creatively with him with his
wrestling company, which I wouldn't do because it's just not
what I do, you know, And yeah, I think you
have to have a sense of where you belong and
where you don't. And I don't want to make a
mistake on someone else's dime. KFA commentaries, I would have

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made a mistake.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
On my own dime.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Anything I do with my name, I will happily fall
on my sword, but you know somebody else's and you know,
never having written television for wrestling, I just always said
that's not what I do. However, in Jay's Quest two
Get j c W to another level, one of the

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things that I did require suggest was another writer to
work with him in lieu of him. However much he
wanted the person to be involved, and it would have
had to be had been someone that works a little
outside the box, so I thought Russo would have been perfect.

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So I was always good with Vince, and I called
him and I said, is this something you would do?
And then there was a lot of massaging the process
with the two of them working, because Jay did everything himself.
He's very much a control guy, and he should be.
It's his company, it's his money, and he's built something.

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I mean him doing this for thirty years almost, so
I knew there was going to be a reticence to
part with the way things were done. But if you
want to go to the next level, if you want
to be covered with traditional wrestling, if you want to
be mentioned in the same sheets a website sheets who
fucking read sheets anymore, on the same websites that.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
NWA is covered.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
And all the other indies that are given all this cred,
then some things are going to have to change about
Juggalo Championship Wrestling. He was already branding Lunacy as his
show name, and so if he was willing to part
with some things or augment some things, I thought he
could probably get to that next level. Is a very

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creative guy, and he has a lot of talent that
goes through that company. So I was kind of the
middleman for a lot of the process because it could
be combustible to put someone like Russo who likes to
really upset the apple cart, with Joe who might have
been hesitant to do that. So I was kind of
the middleman in the process. Even with the scripts. The

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scripts would come to me and then I'd review them
with Joe, and then I'd go back to Vince and
until they were how everybody liked it.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
And and here we are.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
They're putting a lot of shows in the camp and
they're shooting very aggressively. They've been on the road a
ton this year. I think more this year than j
CW's ever.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Been on the road. And we shall see where it
all goes.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Shirley, you're someone that I always thought would start a
company called a j CW, but not a juggler. When
you've seen this type of thing being set up that
it actually caught your your interest enough to check it out,
because it seems like numbers wise, it's it's the biggest
stuff FICP is done for for a while.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, I did have a
j c W in the works, Jewish coin wrestling, but
once they started their thing up, they got I'm already
caught up in a lawsuit. I can't fight everything easy.
But first, having done the gathering of the Juggalos one
time and been up there and and have witnessed the

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scene and the what the world these guys created, first
of all, off their music number one, and then to
parlay that into so many other fields of revenue and
so and doing the stuff that they love. That's I
think one of the biggest reasons that it works is
because when you're passionate about something, it's not a job,

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it's not work. You don't realize you're putting in fourteen
hour days because you're doing something you always dreamed of doing.
So and Vince, you know, I know, I may, I
may be on an island here, but I've always been
a huge fan of Vince, and I've always gotten along
with Vince and he's a really, really good dude. And

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you know, periodically he will text me during all the
stuttering John stuff and just go, this is a work, right,
this is you guys are all in on this together, right, dude.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
He's the biggest Stern fan in the world, you know that, right.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, he watches the dabble verse. He's he's involved, he
keeps tabs on everything, and you know he's he's a
good dude man and again a guy who does what
he loves.

Speaker 10 (20:06):
Like.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I know, he's had a lot of experiences that left
the bad taste in his mouth with this business. But
you know, the people who are in this business are
in it because it's all they want to do for
the most part, and the people that are in it
for ulterior motives they get weeded out eventually, you know.
Then you're left with the classics, the icons, the way

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it should be.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
I was shocked, you laugh, fight that you're Judy coin
Wrastling would be headlined by Goldberg, but you couldn't afford him.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Now, I don't want to. We don't want him actually
hurting Jews in real life in the ring, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
And don of course, you're sitting there seemingly wearing a
hoodie man out of your own.

Speaker 7 (20:49):
Fisk and pretty much yeah, I mean camo right, you.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Look like your whole body is Kevin Rennan's fist.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Speaking of serious question, are the Chief's gonna turn around
this season. That's what I want to know. Coach, hit me,
what do you do? Oh?

Speaker 6 (21:05):
I see you're doing the Andy Reid thing.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
All right, it's fine. Like I never bombed before. I
don't give a ship go ahead? Did you like?

Speaker 6 (21:12):
Is it working? Is it working?

Speaker 4 (21:14):
And everything you do works?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Man? I dig I respect your huts, but get out there.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Do you look like one of the swat tim guys
trying to break into I told me plosive.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah, spin that hat backwards and put up that sniper.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Rifle sending the care look like one of those bitches
that hurt their hands on a Rosebush fuller running in
before Hans Gruber's guys kick their fucking heads in.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
You pussy, Yeah, you need more tenants than your cut.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's what you get done when you fuck with me.
But don me and you're sort of a couple of
little marks. But it's this sort of ships, this sort
of stuff, the type of stuff that will get you.
Are we watching or are you sort of just sticking
to the classics pretty ice?

Speaker 7 (21:59):
Well, I don't know about everybody else. I can't watch
wrestling anymore. It fucking blows. Sean's with you, John Tell
me tell me why I should watch any wrestling right now.
There's nothing that entertains me at the moment. And maybe
I'm maybe there's something that gets you, grabs you, but
Tony Kahan has no fucking idea what he's doing.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Clar why should you watch wrestling?

Speaker 7 (22:18):
Or or I'm sorry, what what the the product that's
being put out right now?

Speaker 6 (22:23):
The current storylines?

Speaker 7 (22:25):
The current not just in general, I mean wrestling obviously
if you're wrestling fan or a wrestling fan, but it
seems like we're in a little bit of a down period.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Yeah, I think you should watch j c W Lunacy
every week because it's written by and put on by
people who can't stand the wrestling product today either, so
I think there'll be a simpatico with their sensibility. But
why should you watch WWE or or a e W
Because you have a show with Kevin Nash that drives

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you know, fifty million views so far on YouTube over
three years, and you know, does.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Kevin think about the product behind the scenes when you
guys aren't on camera, what is what's his take behind
the because obviously you've got to be a little bit
positive towards wrestling you can't be totally down on wrestling
all the time, But do you guys really like the
product that's being put out right now?

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Do we like it?

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I don't know how much we'd watch if we didn't
have the show, but we kind of The one thing
we said from when we started Click This was we
looked at the podcast landscape and said, one thing we're
not gonna.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
Do is fucking cover raw every week.

Speaker 5 (23:46):
And all we've done for one hundred and seventy six
episodes tomorrow was cover raw. Now we cover a lot
of stuff. That's what people like.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
It's Kevin's theory on it.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
I said, what's the pitch When he came to me
and he said, two guys at a bar, I said,
all right, I get it. But you know, for some reason,
because he's a two time Hall of Famer and all
that stuff. We got to talk a little wrestling, and
I honestly, when I watched WWE and I see some

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of the shit that I'm watching, I want to go
to someone like Kevin and go, Kevin, what the fuck
in that match that I just saw?

Speaker 4 (24:26):
And hear his take. So sometimes we have to be critical.

Speaker 5 (24:31):
I'll put over something if it works when they used
rock last year, I thought they did it well. But
mostly I have questions about what I'm watching, and I
think it's because I'm out of touch.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
And I say it every week. I say, I will.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
Happily Kevin Kevin, Kevin's best friend, Paul Paul's best friend, Kevin,
I will happily admit that my criticism comes from my
being out of touch, from having watched a long time ago, first,
you know, in the Hogan era, and then kind of
got back into it with ECW and the Attitude era.

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So that's like what I base a lot of my
benchmark opinions on.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
And it does me.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
I go back to the Hogan and.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
That's why you can't watch because what's happened, what happens
today is kind of the antithesis of what made us
want to watch. First we were kids, right, so it
was like the larger than life, real life superheroes. Then
we fell out of it a little bit when it
got a little goofy in the nineties. Then ECW comes,

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I'm like, WHOA, I can kind of suspend some disbelief here,
because boy, did it look like that black gangster jumped
off that balcony for real.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
And he did.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
And then the attitude era was like it was like
Tarantino films. The bad guys were cool and they talked
cool and that's who you wanted to be.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
So that changed it up a little.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
I mean, I don't even know what today's product is now,
and I know I'm out of touch, so I I
did my opinions on you.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't think it's it's as much out of touch
as a factor as in my opinion, not taking risks,
not taking a chance to go outside the box. There's
a reason why you're saying jcw's worth watching is because
they don't. They don't go by the book right, they
don't do the standard shit. It reminds me of being

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at Serious right, at Serious Satellite. When I got there,
it was this pirate ship. It was this thing that
we didn't have to do any rules, We didn't have
to follow any of the order.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
You were un serious and fuck you.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I'll tell you what, however, was like in a minute.
But when I was there, it seemed like because it
was populated by so many people who had been gms
of program directors of radio stations, they just fell into
that same format. They had this ability to make an
eighties channel not play the same fucking song over and

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over again. But they didn't give a shit, and they
didn't have the fresh blood in there to roll the dice,
to take the risks. And and I feel that there's
a lot of similarities out there you had when we
were kids. You mentioned the reason why I got hooked
into uh WCW uh and the Four Horsemen and the

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Road Wars was the reality of it, right. It wasn't.
It wasn't a gimmick. It wasn't a bit. Yeah, I
was younger, but these guys all they did was talk
about how much pussy they're getting, how much money they got,
and how they beat the fuck out of everybody. That
seemed pretty realistic, That seemed pretty basic life brags. And

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then you have they looked like they could beat you
up too, and they looked like they could absolutely the
gills six foot five, not to mention, not to mention
the stories they were telling. And then you have the
ecw era, which is just craziness, outside the box dream
shit that everybody's like, oh my god, did you see this?

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Did?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
And all those things, with the exception of the early stuff,
were stuff that people took chances with and tried something different.
And I think going to Saudi Arabia and putting your
women wrestlers in a zoot suit isn't doing something different.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
It's not I said on the air that I couldn't believe.
I mean, you know, WrestleMania is gonna be over there
in two years, and I couldn't believe that the women
that they've put a lot of emphasis on the women's department,
making them really just not just superstars, but kind of

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voices for young girls that watch right. And I cannot
believe that every one of them on that roster is
going to go over there and do that. I read
a litany of human rights violations on click this that
Saudi Arabia is still guilty of regarding women, and we're
gonna want Rhea to go over there and capitulate.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, she could inspire, she can inspire young girls to
never get the opportunity to wrestle ever in their life. Like,
because that's the reality.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
I heard that they're there's gonna be a lot of
creative changes by the time they get to Saudi and
then like even the names of finishers being changed. That
gets said here that Jid Cargole's finisher is going to
be changed to the clip remover, And it was like I.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Was waiting for the clip removal joke. I knew it
was coming.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Use it. I was waited for a nine to eleven finisher.
But all right, whatever thought it.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Was gonna be a penis attachment.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Uh, we were all and you were far more brilliant
than all of us using isn't.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
If Jid Cargole's got a dick, I'm sucking it and
I'm doing it with a smile like this. She she
has a lovely smile though that that's the most important
thing on a on a on a her. But but
you mentioned the Triple H's name there, and Vince Russo
is consistently four to five times a day calling them

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right on them on a what's it called it? The
minute sex? I mean X, we're having a good time here.
But the thing is from your perspective, she and the
Ruschel calling Triple hits like that often. He well, what
do you think that looks like? Do you think that's
a good look or like? Is it maybe a little

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dash for or anything? And the hit the like button.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
You you're asking me, Oh yeah, sorry, I'll go ahead.
That's what That's what Vince does.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
When Vince decided to go to podcasting, he was going
to take the persona, we're not all who you truly
are when we put a microphone in front of our face, right,
I mean, we're a little bit some more than others.
But his persona is the brash, the brash guy that

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talks about things Dad annoy him, and that's kind of
what he does. So imagine he came out and approved
of the product every week, he wouldn't have been the
network he did. Yeah, so he kind of almost has to,
just like Cornet has to be the cantankerous soul that

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he is. It's so funny when I deal with Russo
and I talk to him, and anytime Cornett comes up,
Russo goes, and then Cornet and John. I know he's
your friend, but so I do enjoy that. But it's
kind of his role. And here's the thing, though, he

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would be working if he was manufacturing things to have
displeasure about. I think the three other people in this
room with me would agree on ninety percent of what
he's critical of with the current product.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yes, only do I agree with it, but I think
There's never been a better time to get heat, to
get an audience, to get an opportunity with these people
than by doing this now, by getting you get the
people behind you, and shit happens.

Speaker 7 (32:17):
And if there wasn't a little truth in everything he said,
then it wouldn't it wouldn't go over with his audience.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
People would see through it.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
But there's there's always, you know, a lot of truth
and where he's going with it.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Somebody brought up before in this room, the uh when
guys were guessed to the gills back in the day,
and it seemed to this is really incorrect to say, probably,
but the physical was so important yep at one time,
because wrestling is like nothing. You can call it sports

(32:51):
entertainment all you want. It's like nothing else on the planet.
So I don't want my guys looking like baseball players
or football players. I imagine walking into a locker room
in nineteen seventy nine and seeing Tony Atlas and Apha
and Albano and King Kong Bundy and either the fucking

(33:16):
circus was in town or it's professional wrestling, and.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Say this helped with the fuck.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
That helped fortify what the aura that it was creating today.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
I don't want to take anything from the athleticism of
the performers. I think the guys today and gals today
are probably physically more adaptable to a lot of different
styles in wrestling, and just probably better athletes all around
than your median average in nineteen eighty five. However, it's
not just sports, it's sports enter team. It's like nothing else.

(33:52):
So I think what I'm seeing, the people I'm seeing have.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
To look like nothing else. They have to look like
nobody that I'm going to run into in a bar or.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Somebody you would completely turn the opposite direction if you
see them and want to, you know, hide. The other
thing is with those guys back in the day, the
big huge guys, is they had the right dance partner
to sell the fact that they were monsters, that they
were huge, you know, and that is something look some
of my favorites, one of my favorites, ultimate favorites is

(34:24):
Arn Anderson, specifically because of how he looks when he's
getting his ass kicked. There is nobody facially that took
a beating other than Flair, that that sold like Arn Anderson.
When you watch Arn in Tully against the Road, Warriors.
I mean, he's getting the shit beat out of him,

(34:47):
and his face is telling that story. And that made
the Road Warriors as big as they are, even fucking
bigger and even even scarier. You know. So I think
there's so many people worrying about getting their shit in
and getting their moves in that.

Speaker 7 (35:02):
The suspension of disbelief is so hard right now too.
You watch everybody's gonna have their spot. You've got the
cuckamonga kids bouncing around, you know, flip doing flip flips
off the top rope that looked totally out of place.

Speaker 6 (35:16):
It just doesn't work before.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
You know, back in the eighties, say what you will,
not everybody was the best technical wrestler, but at least
there was a story.

Speaker 6 (35:25):
It felt like there was a float everything.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Now now it's just about okay, all right, let me
call my spot, and there's no there's no psychology in
the ring like they used to have.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
What are the ages of everyone in the room? Here
we are we just we all own the same category.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Right for I'm fifty three, so.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Still would Husey you look terrible, by the way, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Showing I love drugs.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Forty my god, So we'll see forty.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Now, Okay, so when did you start watching.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Hughsy this episode? Yeah, I'll catch the to catch up.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
I'll ever watch it.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, I thought you were here to promote Eve Andrews
Doomsday and.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh, I started in probably ninety one, when I was twenty.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
So i'd see.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
That's interesting because that's a real ship time for the product. Yes,
if you think of this is when we had the
garbage men and the fucking hockey players and the pig
farmers and all that shit. So and you were twenty
so but you're you're mentally handicapped, right obviously, So that
af right, right, So that's that's why that shit.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Appealed to you clearly, that that's a real lightning strike, right.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah. I just thought because I remember seeing brad Hart
and I thought it was meant to be RoboCop, and
then I thought, fuck, he's really born. Because that's the
thing about a lot of those classic rasters are unbelievable
bores like brown Heart could be getting his deck sucked

(37:03):
by Sunny Wild Seables over there.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
Keeping track of her. She doing She's still looking good, Tam.
I'm being very sarcastic.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
I wouldn't I wouldn't fuck her with night. Melandez is dick,
thank you? I would.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Can I ask this question, Sean and is it is
there any similarities when it comes to the product, Like
with cooking, the less ship you put in and get involved,
the better this meal could be. Do you feel like
there's way too much shit involved and the basics of

(37:48):
wrestling and storytelling are kind of out the window?

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Well, it's a very masculine analogy. Thanks, so you can
drop your man card on the way out tonight. The
well something Kevin Gay's one of the things I always
Kevin will talk about is the punch. Yeah, they need
to spend some time on the punch down at the

(38:16):
performance center. And whereas something like the chop. We've had
a lot of fun on the show with the chop
as we want to foster believability and like maybe this
is a bar fight, keV, did you ever resort to
the open hand chop when you were tossing somebody out
of the Cheetah?

Speaker 6 (38:35):
I hate when they start chopping and counting it out.
It's like a lame.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
But then something like the punch.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
How many motherfuckers can throw a punch in the ring today?
And look like they were about to take someone's head off,
or any of the women for that matter. Then you know,
there's the forearm deal every once in a while, but
just a fucking squaring off and throwing a punch.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's a handful. There's a handful.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
So, yeah, to your point, if you master the basics,
everything else is gravy. But if you're really focused on
getting your guy onto the top rope, steadying him very obviously,
whispering in his ear, tapping him on the back, tickling
his balls, doing a one, two, three count, and then
doing a superplex, then you're probably not focusing on the

(39:21):
punch if you're of that mindset. So, and it suffers
for me, It doesn't suffer probably for a twelve year
old kid that loves John Cena.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
That's stuff.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Now Sena doesn't do that. I'm just using him as
example because he sells all that merch. But but yeah,
all of that shit, the basics, the look Kevin always
says on the air, He's like, Sammy Zay kicked my
fucking door down.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
I don't even think I'd reach for the gun.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
And that's and that's kind of the point, is.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Right.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
Yeah, right, So Yeah, to your point, I do think
that's true to a degree. But again, we're a bunch
of old fucks sitting here now. They're not marketing to us,
we're not boing the shirts.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Well, I get a question for Sean talking about sort
of my era was like the attitude era, and you,
of course of the Star of Sherlock comes one and two,
you know, the the good ones. But I canna ask
you about the rock notorious ladies man who's infamous for
loving to have sex with women, and we can all

(40:28):
agree that that's what we've heard about him behind the
scenes is likes to sex them up with his dick.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Okay, of course, so unusual for a young successful man, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's how does the sum You get your Tom Cruise's,
you get your John Travolta's, Kevin Spacey's. They love fucking women.
But the thing is that this is a very exciting time.
I can understand my Dan is in such a good
mood because it's official as of today that Jumanji five

(41:03):
has gone into production. I'm excited. I know you are.
Everybody wants to talk Jumandi five, but I'm gonna ask
you this one, Sewan, You see that Black Adam movie.

Speaker 6 (41:16):
That that was a that was phenomenal movie. That was
hero movies I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
The best film I've ever seen. My my favorite part
was when the Rocks stood there still and I thought,
this is fucking great. Is something in the chat says
Jumanji three? No, it's actually Jumandi five because they did
the Robin Williams won there was something called just the

(41:41):
Thura in space. So the Rock came in at three
and they did four, So this is five, So.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
I think I missed that one.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Did you see the Smashing Machine? The story about comedian
Matt Mead, Hey.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Thank you nice, But that's actually brings up to my
topic here. So the Rock has did stuff like the
fuck what's it called Jungle Cruise, then he did Black
at Him, and then he just did the Smashing Machine, which,
while it was really good, was a complete bomb of

(42:17):
like nobody went to see it. So the question have
for you, Sean is do you think it basically has
just come down to the fact that the Rocks star
has fallen, that he has not the Megs star anymore.
He's just the the Jack Black's sidekick in ju Mindy five.

Speaker 5 (42:40):
Well, the four of us are all are all ones
to talk about box office draws, so so we'll.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Be uper critical here.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
I think that he's a little bit of box office
poison right now, and I don't know why that is.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
But he's very diversified.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
He's he's become one of those people that he's no
longer an actor, he's no longer an act athlete.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
He's a product.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
He's got I think fucking deodorant out I was, I
was in Target. His face is on some ship that
you put on your body. So he's diversified across a
million different fields.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
I don't even know if he cares. I guess he
cares about box office, but it's just.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
A matter of keeping your face out there at a
certain point.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
So yeah, I do think there's.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
A little bit of box office he's a little bit
of a box office repellent.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
But don't forget, when the movie bombs, he still gets
paid in full. Nothing changes there, and he'll get another movie.
It's not the you know, it's not the end of it's.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Just the right script to come along. Surely, as you
know it's you know, there's some ROMs still waiting.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
It's gonna come out.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Surely, let's let's enough of this wrestling ship.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Are you still in Alabama?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I am you are.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
I've heard I've heard you speak eloquently about the cost
of living, you know, the change of that you had
the child lent some clothes to what's his name.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
We're still going to do an episode.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Of good Stains.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah, the greatest. It's the greatest two hours if you
can find it on YouTube out there. It's the greatest
two hours of the Stern Show. And I'm going all
the way back to eighty four. I started listening on NBC.
You had nothing to do with it. And so you're
still in Alabama.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
You are?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
You are?

Speaker 5 (44:31):
You are spiritually satiated down here, you are, you are
esthetically satiated. You are artistically satiated. Alabama's delivering for you.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yes, yeah, it's not. Listen. The most important thing was
my kids get to be kids out here, right Like,
they get to ride bikes, they get to walk around
the neighborhood, sleep over at friend's house, all this shit.
When we left New York, everything was shutting down. Everything
was either shut down or shutting down, and nobody knew
what the future looked like and what was going to happen.

(45:04):
And you know, I had a hunch. I had a
feeling that one day in New York they'd be hunting Jews.
So I said, let's get out of here. And we
got out of there.

Speaker 7 (45:13):
And went to the South and Alabama, of all places.
It just seems like a very random kind of Well.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
It's funny you bring this up, Dan, because it comes
circles all the way back to wrestling, which is I
was friends and still am good friends with Conrad Thompson
and Conrad Little Girls and mister Mortgage, and we had
known each other. You know, I was still living in
New York working on at the Stern Show, and he

(45:41):
was telling me years before we moved, just get some
property out here. You know, Huntsville is booming, like Huntsville is,
It's going to be another Nashville. It's going to be
another you know, Austin eventually at some point. And and
then when everything shut down and we were locked in
at home, I was like, we started looking online at
how and I was showing my wife, I'm like, look

(46:03):
at what we could fucking live in for less than
what we're paying in this two bedroom apartment.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
That's legit. I mean it's legit, but I have this
fear even I mean New Jersey, right, sure, Yeah, it's
basically New York.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
And I'm right.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
I mean I could stand on my roof and see
the guy. Yeah right, So I'm right the ass end
of the statue. And like when my wife and I
talk about buying like twenty minutes west, I'm.

Speaker 11 (46:29):
Like, whoa, Yeah, you're leaving a cultural mecca and so like,
is there any of that, Like, is there any fear
that Andrea Boucelli won't play near you?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Well? You have, So for that question, there's Nashville, which
is two hours away, and you can go see anybody
play there that you're a fan of. Uh, but I
can tell you that, Yeah, I was definitely nervous before
we got out here just to visit. And when we
came out here just to visit, the check out the area.
This was during quarantine, This was during COVID. Everybody's freaking out,

(47:05):
everybody's protesting cops, everybody wants to fucking cause shit. And
this was the one place where it was like it
was untouched. People were wearing masks, but people weren't being dicks.
People were having conversations with you people were going to work,
people were doing what they needed to do, and everybody
was on the same page. And I think a lot
of people who were outside of the South have a

(47:28):
preconceived idea of what the South is. And yes, there
are there are spots. There's if I drive to Birmingham
on the way down there, you're passing places with Confederate
flags on the porch.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
And there's a lot of people down there too, right
there is.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Yeah, there's a lot of black people, depending on the town,
there are some towns there. Actually there was a town
Callman that they said was a sundown town for many years,
which meant that no black people lived there. But a
few told us yesterday that they have a football team now,
so apparently black people are living in town there.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Now or it's an all white football team.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, then they've got.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Talk about ESPN three Pro.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
But no, it was. It was very different, but for
the good, the good reasons, like I haven't been fucked
with out here for being Jewish. A lot of people
don't even know what Jews are out here, but.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
You're not physically pay us on your hand, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
I'm not disguised as an Asian math whiz either I
look like every you know, fucking uh you know, sketch
of a Jews stealing money. You know, it's not it's
not hard.

Speaker 5 (48:40):
To figure out.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
K Yeah, I look like the centerfold for Jewish propaganda.
So it's like I was definitely nervous about it. But
people here do their thing. They don't They're they're very open,
very chatty. They may share a little too much too soon,
but you know that's why, that's why I stay in

(49:05):
my fucking section and do my shows.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
You know, excuse what?

Speaker 5 (49:11):
What's what's your experience with the South?

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Husey?

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Have you been over here here? Have you been down
that way?

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Where have you spent time in the States.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I've seen walk hard a few times, if that helps,
just watched it, you mean, yeah, yeah, but I don't
know what this means. By the way, night Milandez Stalker.
If it just complimented you and stage your comedy skills
would make Shurely look bad. Congrats the freak gloves you.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
That's to you.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, I'm going to be in Florida next February whereabouts,
I'm not exactly sure.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
With a friend who's central Florida college area.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
I was say there's a few different Florida's Like I
have a house in pomp Coast, which is on the
East coast, which is a lot of Northerners, very kind
of northern sensibility. But you know, you go to central Florida,
it is the south.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Then you got Miami and that's kind of just an anomaly.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
But it's I'm I'm from Belfast. If I have to
fit in with racist, that's not going to take me
a lot of time.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
Not time, and a lot of time at all.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Are you visiting anyone while you're down.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
There, Hughsy, I'm going to see at mersh and Chad's
in Mark if that's what you mean.

Speaker 12 (50:29):
Okay, you're going to Tampa area, Okay, Yeah, Tampa's all right,
Tampa's It's it's as well, at least from that side
of Florida is somewhat metropolitan, somewhat it's not quite South Florida.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
But I'm pretty sure that I will be there and
the fall goes to plan. I will knock a few
back doors in and such a sam but it's just
a yeah, kind of just time back to the to
the rock parts. Speaking of anal sex but surely, of

(51:03):
course she worked for the Hard Stern Show. Do you
remember Hard Stern? Shuey, I do see you, guys, well,
a lot of gossipy old queens on that show. Did
you guys ever hear any behind the scenes stories about
the Rock, Not that there's anything wrong with it, of course, No.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I don't think he ever did the show when I
was there, so I don't know if it was somebody
that they wanted to book and he actually know he
was on in the k Rock days, right, didn't Eric
the actor call in or something when he was on.
I think he's on once back in the day.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
But I don't remember ever hearing him on.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Maybe I'm getting confused with Kurt Angle, but yeah, I
don't think he was ever really When we would have
these meetings where guests would get pitched, you know, it
was really about is this guest on Howard's radar, because
as if they weren't, Howard usually wouldn't be interested in it,
no matter how popular they were at the time.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
For whatever reason, Chilly still still talk to anybody from
the show. I know there's some acrimony with certain people
over there, but anybodyies you.

Speaker 6 (52:14):
Still have over it from the serious days.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, I have no I have no bad blood with
anybody there. I just don't really bother a lot of
people there. But I do communicate with a handful of people.
I know a good number of writers that listen and
follow Rico and w ATP and uh yeah, I still
talk to people there.

Speaker 7 (52:36):
I left on do you think, how do you think
Howard's really gonna gonna hang it up and leave all
these guys out to dry?

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Or what do you think is gonna happen with those guys?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Well, I mean some of these guys been working for
him for thirty years. How can you say he's leaving
them out to dry at this point? I mean he's
given him an entire life. At some point, the guy's
got to stop, you know. And and people, all these
guys are very talented. They'll figure something out, you know,
they got they got a great show.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
I don't know how how frank you're allowed to be.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But I didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I didn't sign any No, No.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
I don't mean that.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
I just mean in like maybe you know, losing relationships
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
But sure, so, having listened to that.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Show from eighty four to present, I don't listen very
much now, But so I was through a few phases
of The Stern Show, right, and you were there in
a very interesting time. It was a very transitory time
because not just because you had your penis removed, but.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
It was it was like it the show was, the show.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
Was Howard for a long time. It was for some reason.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
I haven't figured out yet if they should have traded
that in, though somewhere around the night you know it was.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
I think I would say it was after Private Barts.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
I was gonna ask you where the transition was, but
I'm thinking maybe the movie had something to do with it.
Everyone loved and New York loved Howard because he was
the crimugeeny guy in the basement beating off, who didn't
want to deal with his family upstairs, who hated his
fucking bosses, who was never paid what he should have
been paid, and and he was every man he was,

(54:12):
and then he became Hollywood Howie, and then that accepting
he became everyone he made fun of and did imitations of.
Now I listened to him and it sounds like he's
doing the old Larry King.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Is like, ah, you're a swell performer.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
When he would do these out of touch phraseology with
like a young hip person who lands on Larry King
for some reason. Well, that's fucking him now, so and
then the show became for.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Me anyway, not about him, but for what all you
guys were doing. When did that happen?

Speaker 5 (54:45):
Were they aware that it was no longer the Howard
Stern Show at some point? And at what point could
he have hung it up and still retained some of
what he had created that totem that, that celebration of
being an outsider.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I personally think that everything shifted and changed when he
got hired to be on America's Got Talent. I think
up until that point things were things were pretty still
pretty wild on that show, Like there were you know,
don't forget you got Richard streaking in the lobby of
Sirius XM during a Martha Stewart party. You have you know,

(55:31):
guests storming off and Howard calm, women cunts and chicks
riding the sybyan and getting rasy. Yeah you got already
passed out on heroin and sal waking him up with symbols.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Like the But think of what you just said, Think
of what you just said already, yeah, Richard, Yeah, Well,
all the girls on the Sibyan, It's not about Howard anymore.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
No, no, and and that's that's what drew the people
because it was about where he was now. Right here
was a guy that was confined to rules and regulations
on the radio, the bad boy, the shock John. So
now now he's in this fucking place where they don't
have the FCC, they don't have the rules. But you

(56:13):
can't just come out and say Hunt on your first
show then it. You know, it's gotta be a process.
He had to get used to that. I imagine for
thirty years never cursing, forty years never cursing, now being
able to curse on the air, it's got to be
a big shift. I think once he got AGT. Once
AGT picked up a show from the West Coast and

(56:34):
moved the entire product to the East Coast for him.
And keep in mind, this was pre New Regime, this
was pre Hollywood Howie image. This was the fucking crazy
guy Howard. When AGT said we want you to be
a judge on here, and I think once he got
a taste of that mainstream television, he was like, what

(56:59):
the fuck? Why have I been treated like a fucking
nothing all these years? With everything I'm done, everything I've done,
This is the way I should be treated. This is
the way I should have people getting me this, that
and the other things. And I don't want to have
to worry. I don't want to have to police the office.
I don't want to have to police Howard TV. Take

(57:20):
all this out of my hands and bring it all
to me and drop it in my lap. And that's
been the show since then.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Did you notice a change in him when that happened
outside of the show.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Not necessarily, because I don't. I remember one Christmas party,
you know, every year they threw this Christmas party where
everybody went to this restaurant and it was a chance
to get drunk and talk to Howard for five minutes
without you know, somebody bothering you or him telling you,
you know, I'm going to take a nap, get out
of the hallway, whatever it may be. And there was

(57:54):
one night where he out of the blue, he invited
me to come sit at his table with him, because
I just I went to the food and I grabbed
the plate of food and he was there, and he's
and his table was right next to the buffet line.
He just goes sure, he comes sit there and I'm like, yeah.
My first thought was like I'm getting fired, you know,
there's no way at the christ party. Yeah, Like, why

(58:15):
why is he asking me to sit with him? It's him,
Robin Beth and another guy, attorney guy, I don't remember
his name. And I sat there and I just listened
to all of them, you know, bitch about Trump the
whole time. And I didn't say a fucking word. They
didn't ask me a question. I ate as fast as
I possibly could, and I got up and I left,

(58:37):
and I was like, well, that fucking sucked. You know,
I remember three Christmas parties before that, me drunk, telling
them jokes him goofing on sal were goofing on Ralph
like it was a hang. We were fucked up. It
was a hang. This was It was so different and
it was so.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
There was definitely like I didn't hang out with him
outside of work, but I could tell work wise, definitely
things were changing. There were edicts going out that you know,
we're taking a break from the whack pack. We had
too much whack pack, blah blah blah, you know, we're
scaling back on this. Then there's lists of shit, of
lists of people that aren't allowed to be played anymore

(59:17):
or aren't allowed to come on.

Speaker 5 (59:19):
So that was all from that big meeting, right, that
was that big Uh?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
That was the Yeah, that was the start of all
power point?

Speaker 6 (59:25):
Is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 7 (59:26):
That?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (59:28):
Yeah, the famous PowerPoint?

Speaker 5 (59:29):
Surely do you remember when? And then Husay and Dan
the rest of the show can be yours? Do you
remember when.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Ronnie he did.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
A toast a yeah at the I don't know if
it was Howard's birthday party or the or the engagement party,
and he like jokingly was like, why are you getting married?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Man?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah, you know, we.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Had so much fun whatever, because that's Ronnie's person. Like
Howard goes on the air, he talks about how he
brought it up to his therapist.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah, and what a terrible thing for.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
A friend to say. Maybe the therapist has never heard
the show. So if out of context, I told you that, Yeah,
at my engagement party, someone got up and said I
shouldn't get married and they say, well, that's terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
I'm like, this is Howard.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Stern offended but hurt on the cross burned an effigy
because Ronnie got up and started joking around. I was like,
I don't know how to relate to this anymore. Is
that Beth's influence? But what the fuck? Like, I think
that's a good microcosm for when The Stern Show became
everything the Stern Show, isn't I I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
You know, when it comes to Ronnie, And I've said
this a million times, but there is one guy. If
you told me there's one guy from that show that
I got a call at three o'clock in the morning
for some kind of help, Ronnie is the guy that
would not only answer the call, would either get dressed
and come help you or figure out a fucking way

(01:00:56):
to help you. Ronnie is the most stand up, solid
human being at that place. And I fucking love Ronnie.
And one of the final straws for me before I
quit was the way they were giving Ronnie shit about
needing to know who he's voting for and uh. And

(01:01:19):
I remember like thinking to myself, this has never been
an issue on this show before, Like nobody's ever fucking
cornered a guy, an employee, uh from the show and
pointed their fingers and say say who you're voting for?
And he's going, I don't want to talk about it,
and they go up. That means he's voting for Trump.
And then you got people in the staff who've known

(01:01:39):
him for fucking ever longer than I have, who are like, oh,
what are you a Nazi? Now? What are you a
homophobe now? And it's like, fuck you, dude. If you're
gonna fucking judge everybody like that here, then what am
I wasting my time for?

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
You're gonna you're gonna treat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
This guy who's gotten up at two in the morning,
three in the morning, and God had picked you up
and fucking been here for you delivered great content on
top of doing this fucking job, and this is what
you're gonna you know, this is what you're gonna fucking
treat him? Like, what does it matter?

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
That was more off putting to you than the whole
Scott thing when his wife passed.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Uh well, I mean, but Scott didn't help himself a
lot in that when that was going down, because we
had new management in place that everybody was terrified of.
And so Scott at that time decides, you know, his
biggest fuck up wasn't the GoFundMe. The go fund me

(01:02:40):
was approved, They had no problem with that. His biggest
fuck up was a benefit that he agreed to have
with Artie on it doing stand up raising money. And
the problem with that is this was when Artie was
really out of his mind, fucked up and was going
on any show, any podcast and just shitting all over

(01:03:02):
Howard and everybody and it and it probably wasn't a
good Is it worth, you know, banishing him to to
some office and taking all his work away? Probably not,
but you know it's it's a he probably should he
probably should have thought about that a little bit more
before agreeing to to because I think that left him.

(01:03:24):
This is just my theory. I don't know for a fact.

Speaker 5 (01:03:26):
All Right, f Mary kills Shuley. Just so when you
send Ronnie this link, I killed Scott, Stephanie Mund Yeah,
Stephanie Yeah. Robin Quiver's Marci turk uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Kill Marcy because I don't have any collared shirts. That
was a big no no. And then you wouldn't tap that.
You wouldn't tap that though, No, because I'm I'm anti
jew broad h that's you know, tried it, been there,
done that, not fun and be no boy, no, uh
so I would I'd get some of that Quiver's money,

(01:04:01):
for sure, at Mary Quivers.

Speaker 6 (01:04:04):
Did you like Robin? Did you get along with her?

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Love Robin? Robin did such a cool thing. She out
of the we were having our first kid. Robin's never
met my wife before. She just organized a baby shower
for my wife and like invited all of the heavy
hitters from the show their wives, you know, and we
ended up getting amazing things at that baby shower. And

(01:04:29):
she didn't have to do that. And every year she
always gave me gifts for my kids for their birthday.
So she very sweet, very nice woman.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Well, Robin was a really good looking woman for a
long time, well not a long time, but a temporary
period of time, and then she began to melt.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Hey we all were you know, act accordingly, we all
were hot at one point.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
You know, what are you gonna the cans alone give her?
I mean that moves her into a higher echelon for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Holding those dogs around and what you could do to those.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
That's kind of sex, is to say, Sean, because she
had a big fat mud hut as well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
Right, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
So like we kind of ignore a woman's fight box,
like that's you gotta go something in public and go
nice to meet you yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Left there with literally no enemies. I don't hate anybody there,
not even Gary, No, especially not Gary. It took me.
It took me a while once I got out of
there to realize how much of it was my fault,
my issues with Gary and and fighting with Gary, that
it was his fault. But you know that's hey, I

(01:05:43):
live and learning, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
She I was wondering who's wig it looks worse, Hard's
or Robin's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Well, I gotta tell you haven't seen the one I'm
wearing right now. That's where my camera's off, so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
That right with it, but it's for me. Sean, you
were talking at a point when they noticed him and
Stern specifically changed. But I remember it was guy de
Labat had just used his money to get like a
like a sports room built in his house of reviewing
roomal case, Oh it was it was the theater.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
It was the theater.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
And he didn't do a last row of seats. He
put tables, and Howard did an hour and forty five
minutes on that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
The Y's right, it was so it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Was so fucking ridiculous, and I thought, it's like, this
guy is a cunt. And then he just started talking
and talking about you know, if it was a George
Jones tell and he just did this every day. It's
like what happened to the show. It used to be
about Jenny Jamison fucking swallowing hot dogs. It used to
be about getting Dirty Hill is on here like dice,

(01:06:51):
isn't it who? But getting him on for interviews and beetlejuice.
Its like, this is terrible. You're bringing Austin Kutcher on
to tell him about how great of an actor he
was in Cheaper by the Dozen two. It's like this
show fucking bad.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Thinks that's a big thing too, Hughesy when when you
you look at credibility, like he used to have a
jar that was the size of it was life sized
Rosie O'Donnell's head and jelly beans and people would have
to guess how many jelly beans would fit in her
oversized head. And then he became like that that suddenly

(01:07:28):
disappears from the zeitgeist and Hollywood Howie is telling her
how and then the Ellen DeGeneres when he talked about
how great the segment when she dances is so funny.
I don't know who I'm listening to anymore. So when
people ask do I listen to Howard, I say.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Which era are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
It's just that that hypocrisy is a big part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Husy for for a perfect example of I'm popular the
Sterne Show has become. Mick Jagger was on this show
about a year or two go and Mick Jagger cut
the interview off early because he was like, this is boring,
and Stern was like, well, I was wonder of you
bout and and so Mick Jagger walked off The Stern

(01:08:12):
Show and nobody the media didn't cover it because because
it was because there was so few people actually give
a ship and naturally thinks the problem and just to
tie it back into the Rock so that I can
clip this. I think that's the problem with the Rock
as well. Once they get to this elate, super rich level,

(01:08:32):
they just go, you know what, I I mentally give up,
I physically if I've If I can burn one hundred
million tomorrow and still have a few more hundred million,
then I actually don't give a shit.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
It's a conscious choice I think they make. I always
used to say, before I did important stuff like this,
I was a film and television actor with a couple
of hundred credits to my name, but still it's gonna
be Batista's dick on the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
But it's nothing you can do.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
Is There does come a point I think when you
get a level of success that I would never achieve,
you've got to decide if you're gonna be an actor.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
You're gonna be a movie star. And it's two different things.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
And like you've got Tom Cruise, right, we all know
he chose and then like someone like Sean Penn who
could have probably made choices for the money. And I mean,
he's brilliant and an amazing actor and a performer, but
something else was more important to him. So no matter what,
And allegedly, uh, I think you have to decide what

(01:09:37):
road you're on and rock You know, Dwayne has chosen
that road and that's what he's on now, So it's
a different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
I guess you could say he's on a rocky road.
Am I right?

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Where's thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:09:51):
I was waiting, what's what's the listenership like these days?

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
Hughesy?

Speaker 5 (01:09:59):
Are we are we exploding with numbers?

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Where are we headed with the show?

Speaker 5 (01:10:03):
The show feels very much like the other times I've
been on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Have there been improvements?

Speaker 7 (01:10:09):
I was gonna ask you, how did you find yourself
in this cesspool? You know, I mean, you could be
doing so many better things than Hughsey is kind of
like the last stop on the the podcast road.

Speaker 6 (01:10:22):
Here.

Speaker 5 (01:10:24):
I'm foolish in that I tend to do the thing
and spend time with the people that I enjoy. It
may not be the best career move always, but there's
a you know, there's there's a simpatico, right, there's a
magic that happens when a couple of people are similarly minded.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
I've done a lot of podcasts and interviews over the years,
and there's some that I don't know. It just it
feels more conversational. Then there's the others that I know.
I'm going to go on and answer the same twenty questions,
but I don't know how I landed in this Dan,
and I verbalized that to my life a lot when
I you love another book about wrestling instead of important things,

(01:11:08):
And so my wife always goes, so you're making money
and entertainment like one percent of the world, and what
are you complaining about?

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
And I go, fuck you, You're right, again and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Stuff, And I'll go write another book about a Cuban
exile who worked for the CIA and trained Lee Harvey
Oswold at a CIA camp and then went on to
become one of the original scarfaces in Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
I'll do that another time.

Speaker 7 (01:11:36):
Can we find that book on Amazon and other booksellers everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Books are sold.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Monkey Morales came out in September. It is a riveting
true story. I found his son. I read about him
in a book called Hotel Scarface that they based a
very bad TV series called Hotel Cocaine on. And Ricardo
Morales was one of the guys in this story about
the Cuban drug kingpins in the seventies. But when they

(01:12:02):
would go into his story in this book about having
worked for Fidel Castro and then come here and work
for the CIA and the FBI, I was like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
This is the most important character. This is the most
interesting character in the story.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
So I just went on this insane quest and I
found his son alive in Michigan, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Said, give me a year of your life. Let's do
something with this.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
We wrote it for TV and then COVID hit We've
been optioned that TV script had been optioned five times,
and so last year we were passed on by Rob
Reiner and I said, Ricardo, I've put you and your
family through the Ringer here for five years. I have
the inn in publishing. Let's just do it as the book.

(01:12:47):
Let's take a year and find all the FBI documentation
and all the CIA documents and White House documents and
talked to as many people who are alive as we can,
and let's do it as a book, put the footnotes in,
do it the right way, and nobody wants the story,
they can buy it from there for TV.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
So that's how it became a book.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Rob Reiner's favorite film, of course is Poltergeist, especially the
young actor. But speaking of books, that that brings me
the topic I've got to ask you about. Everybody loves
Vince McMahon and the rumor at the minute is that
he is currently working on the book of his life story.

Speaker 6 (01:13:26):
Jehan's a big Vince McMahon guy. Everything Vince ever did.
Sean just loves it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
Well, this is distressing because I'd like to write that
book with him. How did my agent's got to make
that call? Is he really writing a book or you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
That is that is according to jbl who is his
what we call it, one of his real life friends
that he's currently working on the book and the thing
is realistic. Do you think that's going to be because
Vince McMahon must have stories that we change your tactical size.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
And would never tell them anything that I'd want to
hear Vince McMahon. Oh, strike that There's one thing I
would love to hear Vince talk about, and that is
the transition from the regional territory of his father's company
in nineteen eighty three to just in two years the
monolithic global marketing machine that it was.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
Forget that it's wrestling.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
Doing that in a business sense is fascinating, so that
I would want to read about. Nothing else is going
to be legit. Everything's going to be written like a work.
It was like reading Hope.

Speaker 6 (01:14:32):
We're not going to tell you about shit down a
girl's chest or anything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
I mean, you're oh, read a Marie in the back
of the limo. You're not going to hear any of that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Shit fucking seable And that's why you know the series
We had a series called Timeline the History of WWE,
and each episode of that show covered one year with
me and somebody who worked high enough on the card
that year to be able to talk about what happened backstage,
what happened business, and what happened in the ring. The

(01:15:02):
reason I did that was because I knew no one
would ever be able to write the truthful story of
the WWE, so I wanted that to almost be like
an open ended book on film. You may wonder why
people always say, why do you have all those title
cards with all that text on that show?

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
You always cut away to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
That, and well, because the idea was it was going
to be a book.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
On film, each chapter told by a different person that
was in a prominent enough position to talk about that
entire year from the beginning of the company through as
far as we could go, because I knew we were
never going to get the real story.

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
But who was your favorite interview in that series? Who
did you get the most out of for.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
The real My favorite interview is always the one that
makes the most money, of course, but from a mark standpoint,
I loved sitting with Roddy Piper for three hours and
being able to and I didn't see that Pat Patterson
revelation coming either. That was nothing I knew was going
to be talked about, and I heard he got a

(01:16:09):
lot of heat out of Connecticut for for that when
you told me about that or alluded to that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
But I think.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Vince probably has stories where he's like, so we're like
when the Playboy Mansion min the Ultimore Warriors doing coc
next thing, you know, hul Cogan drives through on a
Harley Davison through the hotel and he's get a strippers
under punch in his mouth while Machuban and Piper having
a knife fight in allyway, It's like, like, that's the

(01:16:38):
stories I want to hear. I don't want to hear everybody, well,
don't you Dab was our competition, so we had to like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Nobody cares well, that's why that's why we had the
talent tell each year of the company's story.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
My favorite interview I ever did was with Marty Jannetti. Uh.
It was at Cheetah's Gentleman's Club in Las Vegas and
I went into the bathroom to take a piss and
I look over and walking in and pissing next to
me is Marty Jeannetti. Ww F. At the time, just
had a show at Thomas and Mack and I didn't

(01:17:14):
know that the boys were coming there. And I'm standing
there pissing, and I look over and I go, you're
Marty Jeannetti. I used to watch you when I was
a kid. And he just leans towards me and he goes,
don't tell any of these whores that I don't want
him knowing how old I am. And that's how we met.
And he invited me back to their section, and it

(01:17:34):
was him and gold Dust and Taker showed up at
one point, and.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Like it was fucking Oh, you must have been rock hard.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Oh my god, I shook.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
I tried.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I went to shake Undertaker's hand and his fingers almost
went up to my elbow, Like that's how big his
fucking hands were and how tiny my hands are. And
I just sat there like a fly on the wall
and just watch these guys get drunk and tell stories
and bust each other's balls. It was amazing. That's the
club that's owned by the Godfather or he was the

(01:18:07):
manager there.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
He was a manager, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
The original Cheetah Club was in Atlanta, and that was
one of Kevin's first jobs out of college. And Nash
was a bouncer at the Cheetah Club, and that's how
he met a lot of the boys before even got
in the business.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
He was just a bouncer at the club.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
But the first time I ever met the Godfather, I
got booked to do halftime, to do comedy at Cheetahs
at halftime on their Monday night football.

Speaker 5 (01:18:35):
You know, I bet that was a very participatory crowd.

Speaker 9 (01:18:41):
How it turns out when they come to see to
the stage, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And when they come to
see tits and ass, they don't want to fucking boulding
Jew up there, but they go the one of the
guys that it was through radio station or something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
He goes, he basically ripped off an idea from Howard
and it was the stripper game, and he goes, we
want you to go ask these strippers general knowledge trivia.
And I'm like, and I was calling in to Howard
at the time, so I was like, hey, man, that's
a Howard bit. You know, I don't feel comfortable look
at you, right, And then he's like, it pays one

(01:19:19):
hundred and fifty bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
I'm like, all right, I'll do the bit, man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
So I walk over and the first question was what's
the vice president's name? And I asked the girl, I go,
what is the vice president? It was Dick Cheney and
she says, can I have a hint? And I said,
it's something your uncle made you touch when you were younger,
and and the audience actually left and then she got it,
and then she cried and left the stage. And that

(01:19:45):
was the end of the halftime bit. And then they
go they somebody comes over to me and they go,
Bear wants to see you, and I.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Oh, that's never good.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
I go what They go, Bear wants this real small individual,
very timid.

Speaker 6 (01:19:59):
I'm sure what the name like?

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Bear? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
And they take you out this door that nobody ever,
no customers ever go through this door. And they walk
me into the parking lot and there's this bungalow in
the back, and they bring me into this bungalow and
there's Godfather said, now I still have yet to make
the connection that it's him, and I sit So his
nickname was Bear, Yes, that's what they call right, And

(01:20:22):
I sit down and he's like, hey, man, what the
fuck are you doing making my girls cry? Man? You
can't be doing that shit. I mean, it's funny, but
you can't do that to him. And as he's talking,
I'm looking at him and I go, are you the
fucking godfather Papa Shango?

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
Yeah, And I'm like, dude, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Fucking get high. What do we do it? And we
got baked. We got baked, me and him. So it
was a great See that's that already is a better.

Speaker 4 (01:20:50):
Story than any of the ones in John's book. Did
you read startering John's book?

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
I read it easy for you to say.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
I know he's the tie, he's the subject of all
all of your ship, but I wanted to read something
from the inside from somebody who didn't You didn't owe
anybody anything right, right, So, and that was the only thing,
the only person I think that would have ever had
anything that revelatory. Uh, the problem was given there a

(01:21:17):
lot of time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
But he got caught trying or trying to sell this
book while he was still there, you know, that was
that was a big thing Howard caught him up in.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
But but not the content, right, nobody knew the content
of it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
It was just they knew that it had to do
with they They knew that it had to do with
some behind the scenes shoot because the problem was Buckwald
was the superagent, right, he represented everybody on that show.
And if anybody made a fucking move against Howard back then, Buckwald, Buckwald,
he knew, he knew. They went right there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
It was very German of you to put the V
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
But who.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Cultural shock here?

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
So yeah, so well that's into that's a great that's
a great godfather's story.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
I wanted to ask you also, so you what did
you just meant?

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
I wanted to jump on something that he said, all right,
move on, it'll.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
Come to me. But comedy, comedy, comedy? Did you ever see?

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
I had the misfortune to be brought to a night
of comedy stylings.

Speaker 4 (01:22:19):
Bye.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
Now, the person who brought me knew I wanted to
meet this person.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Okay, so it was a big surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
I walk in the comic stylings of Ron Jeremy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Oh my god, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Little did you know that all his punchlines are assaying
a woman box stage?

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Yeah, so after two jokes, women picked essay instead of
the rest of the set. That's how bad.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Oh my god.

Speaker 8 (01:22:46):
And when you see him on camera, like in the Porns,
he's kind of funny, like ed Living is thrown weird
shit in mostly because a guy that looks like that
with with a cock like an elk, you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Don't expect him to say these funny things. But when he's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Alone in the spotlight and has to command the room. Oh,
I mean there was a little bit of you know,
there's the polite laugh, right people, guys, the fans of Ron,
so it's Ron's after like five minutes of people were
thrown in the towel.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
It was horrendous.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Yeah, there's a couple Jews, Ron being one and Goldberg
being the other that have made such great strides for
us and also fucked things up real bad for us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
You know, well, I would have said Harvey Weinstein instead
of Goldberg, but you know, never mind that. But the
things are Ron Jeremy. This, yeah, and this kind of
makes me think that maybe Ron Jeremy wasn't so much
of a nice guy. In my opinion, that he's literally
being paid to have sex. So that's your source of

(01:23:50):
income by having sacks of these big titted hers. So
his his thing is, Okay, I'm getting paid money to
have sex. I better go essay someone box diage like
you caution yourself money that that's not living up to
the stereotype.

Speaker 4 (01:24:05):
I would be no details.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
I know no details of that trial or anything. I
do know that one week before he was on, I
had a solo podcast. At the time, I was just
trying to figure this world out. So I did a
solo podcast and I had him. I called the episode Roun.
Jeremy came on my podcast, thank you, and I didn't
know what was to come no punish, yeah and uh.

(01:24:31):
And then like a week later, he gets hooked up
for these horrendous charges. I just wanted to have this
brilliant conversation with him about like the transition from film
to video in the porn.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
World and how that affected everything.

Speaker 5 (01:24:44):
But he was wildly distracted, I guess with what was
about to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Look, you know, as far as making income, it could
always be worse. You could be stuck, you know, reading
super chats trundle, you know, and that's not fun for anybody.

Speaker 5 (01:25:01):
How many people are in the chat room right now,
hughs What are you? What are we hauling in here?
What are your money around?

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
Nice? Around about fifty about now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:12):
But once I get I'll click be it the living
ship out of it, and that's where we're all cash
but who would you? Well, I was gonna see whould
you rather be? Whose career would you rather have? And
then the eventual i'd come Ron, Jeremy are stuttering? John,
I'm gonna start with surely on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Oh fuck, well, they're both gonna end up behind bars.
I feel like eventually, Yeah, at least Ron got laid,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:25:40):
Yeah, Shahn's wife was was hot, wasn't she back in
the day?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
She was? She was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Apparently so is so is John's daughter before her.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
The crazy ones were away. The crazy ones were always
the best, right, Sulie. Come on, you've been on the road.
You're a man on the road. You're married man now
with it's but yeah, you know you were you know,
went back when you were doing your Charlie Brown lookalike
comedy on the road deal. You must have had your
share release. The crazy ones were always the best, right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Cheetahs was the spot man. Cheetahs was like a farm
team for crazy in Vegas. I mean, just the nuttiest
broads there. And yeah they are insane. They are insane.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Nothing like a nice fucking hoo. But just as we're
wrapping up, ye quote me, mom, but just as we're
wrapping up, we gotta ask you, Sean. Of course you
do the very successful click this with the Kevin Nice
my side job. Of course, I work for Conan Disco

(01:26:49):
and keep them one hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:26:50):
Are you guys rivals by the way or these or
is it all kind of you know, copa setic because
you're all the same to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
Shoot or work, bro, we pay attention to nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
M It's the best way I can.

Speaker 7 (01:27:07):
You guys are more of a unique vibe anyway. You
guys kind of do your own thing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
It's it's obviously just do our own thing. If you
get it, you get it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:13):
If you don't, that's fine, get the fuck off. It's
like we really don't pay attention. Surely serious came to us.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about this,
but I'll allow it. And they clearly.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
Never dealt with Kevin Nash in contract negotiagation. Needless to say,
we're not unseerious. Yeah, but so, and it's very much
that it's like we do what we do and we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
We're barely I mean, we bullet point.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
Maybe we'll talk for a couple of hours and then
we'll just go on and it unlike the heavily scripted
shows like this and Yeah, and it's like, I don't
think people that in the podcast it's very important to
have a niche, you know, you need to have that
what category are you in it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
People don't understand when we go, well, he was.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
A wrestler, we don't really talk about wrestling.

Speaker 4 (01:28:10):
Sometimes we do. He was a movie. Sometimes we talk
about that, and I think that's uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
I think people in the wrestling podcast world talk about,
you know, the bunk House stampede, you know, for two
hours this week and next week it's going to be
Wargames ninety seven, right, and it's it's so regimented, and
it's it's the same fucking item on an entire salad bar.

(01:28:37):
So there's no rivalry because we don't really pay attention, listen,
or care what everyone else is doing. We're similar in
that way, which is why this Armond and Garfalk call
thing works. I'm clearly Paul Simon and the analogy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
I'm such a mark that I immediately can remember the main
event the War Games ninety seven, which was the nWo
versu of the Horseman. Conamba is in it on Nash
our bosses.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
You know, they don't have they don't have dating apps
out there where you're at.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
I can't get hurt then. But but but the thing
I gotta ask you, Sean about the it's about the
fan criticism because keep them one hundred. There is nothing
that they can do right in the eyes of the fans.
I guess so to talk too much, to talk too little,
or they're dragging it out of the speed and it's
it's they get political all this ship and Nash is

(01:29:28):
very political. Lovely young man who I met while I
was totally wasted. That's the story that I was on
cocaine for and trunk and he met and but he
I'll even as a viewer that he does bring everything
back to politics. And he's very one sided and sometimes
I don't know if it hurts to show your health

(01:29:49):
to show But for you, Sean, what from your perspective,
what do you think of that on reaction to it?
And how big is your penis?

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
That's actually the first part of that's actually a very
good question because what we managed to do in our
short time, in our three years here is alienate half
of the country, which is silly because we really are
very centrist in our opinions.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
We diverge on some stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
But I think most thinking people are. You have a
their most vocal on the wild ends of the political spectrum,
but most most people land within.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
Ten or fifteen percentage.

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
Points of either side on most of their opinions. Nobody's
entirely this or entirely well, there are, but they're they're
they're the fringe, right, They're the people that storm the
capitol or on the other side, burn down a city
when they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
Like a judge's decision.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Most people are in the middle, and people don't take
the time. They hear the one thing that they find
incendiary to their political belief.

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
And then they label you this or that. So yeah,
if you scroll.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
Down the comments of any of the YouTube posts of
our shows, there are literally sometimes comment after comment of diverging.
One will say, oh, here goes politics, hitting the fast forward,
and then the next one will say, thank god, you're
talking about real life things outside wrestling. So once again,
the lesson is, and this is something I knew from

(01:31:30):
before we're running KFA commentaries or reading book reviews or
when I was in movies, you just really can't listen
to anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
You just got to do your thing, man, because those
wackos are gonna leave for one reason or another. At
some point they'll figure out a reason to storm off
and discuss. You don't have to go out of your
way to piss them off.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
And you know, singing the song you sing is what
got you to wherever you are, So you can start
to try and cater that or care about the stuff.
The tune is gonna change in keeping with my bridge
over Troubled War analogy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
But do you ever feel it, even as a for
the sake of drawing in the numbers, that I'm Nash,
Like I've noticed in Cape No. One hundred, there's times
Conan and like Desko would be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Like, I don't know, I don't know the story, move on.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
It's like, there's no way you don't know this story,
Like you're not, Like do you think that's Sometimes it
hurts the show when Nash seems to give such little
of a shit on a certain topic. Not that he
hast to be like a maga Mark like may or Don,
but especially Don, I'm totally cool, Like do you think fuck?

(01:32:43):
If only he would talk about, as you said, war
games ninety seven. Did you think that could be a
good twenty minute block for YouTube?

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
I but I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:32:54):
I ask him wrestling questions and I and the other
thing too, you have to remember is that Kevin was
never a wrestling fan. He was this big giant guy
at the Cheetah Club that someone, I think Barry Wyndham
might have been like, hey man, you're a big fucker.

Speaker 4 (01:33:09):
You ever think about this? And that was it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
I mean, he didn't watch music, he was on he
was in Detroit, so he got the Sheikh's big time
wrestling products, so he was aware of it. But I
mean he's not like like Waltman, where you could say, hey,
you have to see Pompero Firpo's match, and then he
can tell you every television match you had.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
That's not That's not Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:33:32):
So I asked him as many wrestling questions that are palatable.
I love, like when we go to the fan questions
at the end and someone will be like so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
In War Games ninety seven, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
Ken will go no idea, don't remember. And that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
But the great thing about it is, and the reason
Kevin's interesting to suck his dick a little bit here is.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
You can talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
He was an art history major in college, all right,
so right there. He played basketball for the volunteers. He
played professional basketball in Europe. He was an art history major.
He was an actor. So you can bring up almost
anything and be able to talk to Kevin about it.
And those were the people in the wrestling I was
friends with people in the wrestling business off camera with

(01:34:23):
k Fabe, it was people like that. That's why Kevin
and I do this show because off camera we always
had a good time. Sullivan someone else like that that
I could sit at dinner with and you can talk
about almost anything.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
You go to real estate, the market.

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
Anything with Kevin Sullivan and and have an interesting conversation.
So there's a handful of people like that that are
interesting in the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Business, and Kevin is one of them. That's why the
show is successful.

Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Is because Kevin can go almost anywhere and his identity
what people in the business know Kevin as the rest
of the world know Kevin as he could be a
little crimogeony and all these other things.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
So he's kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
Brought that character out to the masses on Click This,
which drops every morning at six am.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
All right, so old Sean, I'll do the show. I'll
come on. You got it?

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Sure, this is very few guests.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
That's another thing that that's another thing you should ask me, Sean,
what about having guests? We did it on our premium
channel a few times, and Kevin would always say, I
want people to tune in for.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
Us, and I get a question and this is kind
of serious and maybe a little bit of a mood killer.
But a few years ago, I think it's coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Yeah, that's good. I gotta go and eat dinner. So really,
bumm me out in these next few minutes. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
So a Kevin and I ash went through something that
gives the rest of us like legitimate anxiety and about
ever having like his son passed away and nobody's ever
thinking get over it. Talk about bar games that that
kind handed must have been killed to wrestle with, right,

(01:36:03):
but what do you think of like the types of
critics who like, I'll see those comments. Well, so I
remember it was I don't know if it was last
week of the week before, but somebody literally wrote can
he not just get over already? And you think, what
a what a jerk? Store part of my language? Guys?

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
Yeah, Well on that I'll say that we had only
been doing the show.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Three months or four months. Tristan was helping a lot on.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
The show, and we wanted him more and more to
get involved, almost like a Stern show.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Things really like where.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
Yeah, Kristin, if Tristan, if you have something to say,
throw it out likely you can. You don't have to
shirk into the background because it's your dad's show. And
he was really funny and so so when he passed,
I'd been talking with keV all night from the hospital
and then about uh around six that morning, around two,

(01:37:05):
it looked like we knew where it was going to go.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
And then around six he said he's gone, and uh so.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
I unfortunately had to snap into the other like, all right,
we have a show. So I had to call Conrad
and I had a you know, we're kind of new
to it, and he was great and he said, whatever
you guys need would I said, well, I think just
right now, if if if I can.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
Get some like best of stuff together and just get.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
Some and then maybe we're gonna probably for at least
a few weeks, maybe months, maybe you're gonna need to
put some people in his seat.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
I don't know. You know, if he's going to be
able to do this.

Speaker 5 (01:37:44):
And then I called my engineer and start, you know,
start pulling footage, footage and stuff. And then at about
four in the afternoon, I get a text from keV.
He goes, you didn't send me the link for tonight.
M I said, because you're not doing a show, And
he wrote me back and he said, the world needs
to hear this from me. And that set a tone. Yeah,

(01:38:11):
and that's why we go real on the show. Sometimes
we're shitty with each other and sometimes we're having fun
and sometimes we're and that set and we recorded it
that Saturday, and he told the world for the first
time on that show and I realized that, Okay, he
wants it to be very real.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
This is going to be very on podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
And from that time, for all the dick jokes and
stuff that we have, we still have people writing in
posting comments when they have lost when they they connected
with Kevin in a very different way.

Speaker 7 (01:38:48):
Definitely humanized him that whole Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:38:51):
However, the flip side of this that I do have
to tell you is and I have to link this
all to the political discord or discourse in the United States,
and that Kevin was making it very clear where his
allegiances were.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
He dealt with really, really.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Hillacious things from people who didn't agree with him politically.
They got his phone number right around this time where
he and his wife were putting his son to rest,
and they just said horrible things about you know, well,
someone who supports a vaccine. This is what you expect,

(01:39:34):
you know, like just really and.

Speaker 10 (01:39:38):
So for all the money or whatever, people you know
are envious of Kevin for I've seen him have to
deal with really bad things.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
The people.

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
When you're in the public eye like Kevin is, people
think they have implicit permission from a distance of course,
to do or say anything to you. And a lot
of people used and it still happens. Sometimes you can
scroll those comments occasionally and you know in trist and
same will pop.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Up most of the time in wonderful ways. The music.

Speaker 5 (01:40:08):
We plays music on the show in our end credits.
But sometimes you get some douchebag who wants to take
an opportunity to use to weaponize the death of his
son against him for political reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Correct, there's two sides to that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
Using kunt fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Gross and I get a little bit of that from
Dan online and I'm not a fan of it, so
stop it, dre.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Hey, just a quick ship with chat here by all
apologies podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
For the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
Let's get him to the hackets, get him to the
Greek with even more deady interactions mohomo and I think
that's a perfect follow up to that very serious conversation
topic that we just had, which I will click bit
into the title. Sean Oliver tells Kevin Knasch to go
fuck himself, you know. But just we're wrapping up, of course,

(01:41:06):
that we'll have this all clipped up and click bited
and all kinds of ship.

Speaker 7 (01:41:11):
You're gonna slip them size the ship out of this episode,
right usual, clip it all up, get take take out
anything with me. Let's just get Sean, let's get it prominent.
You can maybe crop the screen and get get all
those clips ready to go for for your for your audience.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
Coach.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
You ain't getting cut out of nothing, coach, You're ready,
Come on, what are we talking about here?

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
This is exactly why people need to check it live.
It's don't need time to catch my bombs. But hit
the like button though, But for all the plugs that
will be clipped on below it. Let's start with you,
don You've been a lovely face.

Speaker 6 (01:41:42):
Thank you? Uh, what do you do you want? Final
final remarks, final.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Comments, No, final plugs.

Speaker 6 (01:41:48):
Final plugs.

Speaker 1 (01:41:49):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (01:41:49):
Check out the schmool Buckman Show on YouTube. He's an
up and comer in the dabble verse, an older gentleman.
Really interesting show from a geriatric point of view. Check
it out schmool Bachman. I think he goes live Tuesdays
and Thursday, sometimes on Saturdays, so check it out schmool
Backman on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
I would pay money to see a shield Bookman versus
Cavanagh bar fight. We're gonna get that shit going. He
surely in the John scenic costume, it's still funny. Surely,
what did you think of? What did you think? What
are your plugs?

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Next week The Shuely Network tsn go subscribe, get yourself
a membership. We will be back tomorrow night to analyze
John saying ram my fart box into oblivion, So tune in,
tune in for that as we break down why John
wants his fart box rammed into oblivion.

Speaker 6 (01:42:41):
And then you guys recovering scattering John on your show.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Is that we're getting back into the business, Dan.

Speaker 4 (01:42:47):
They're gonna start, They're gonna start.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
You should talk about how he has your starter.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
We'll get there. What is the first episode? We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
I'm sorry, Sean, You've got a million things.

Speaker 4 (01:42:59):
Just I guess. Well, I got to get to the
set of Iron Man.

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
But before I guess, I'm supposed to do this and tell.

Speaker 4 (01:43:09):
Everybody that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
Monkey Morales is available wherever books are sold. Click this
is out there. If you would like to read about E.
C W's inception in early days, Todd is God is
fine reading or listening on audiobook.

Speaker 4 (01:43:26):
If you'd like to do that as well.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
And surely we always talk about doing another one entirely
about the that show. But you must be so fucking
tired of talking about that show you with you?

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Well, I'm sick of them and the topic. But with you,
let's do it anytime.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
That's why I never I never want to push it,
because I could just imagine, brother, what else.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
Am I going to talk about? You know what I mean? Like,
let's go, don't worry about it. You want it, I'm
here for you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
Club.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
Clearly, the most interesting, the most interesting thing on this
show tonight that that in Jeanetty's foot.

Speaker 4 (01:44:01):
Go ahead, Sean, you can.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Let me bring back timelines, but for the for the
Stern Show.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Yeah, yeah, I'll break some shit down with you. Man.
That's such a thing as a mega fan for many
years before I started working there.

Speaker 5 (01:44:15):
So yeah, and you're indebted to no one, right, there's
there's no clause signed, right, we can.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Now told told me, they told me I needed to
sign this NDA to get my severance, and uh, but
I couldn't talk about the last fifteen years of my life.
And I said, no, thank you. I'd rather be able
to talk about that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Well, you got a set like that, you turned that down?

Speaker 6 (01:44:38):
Yeah, how much approximity was that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
There was a lot. I was there for fifteen years,
it was.

Speaker 7 (01:44:45):
Yeah, so you thought there was more value in being
able to talk about it than than taking the cash obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Well, like, I'll give you an example, like a really
cool story that sticks out in my mind for my time.
There was Norm McDonald was a guest on the show
in the morning, and then this was later in the afternoon,
and I I was running around doing my news stories
and Norm is at one end of the hallway and
I'm at the other end of the hallway. I've never
met Norm before, I never interacted with him or really again, Yeah,

(01:45:17):
and I'm starting to walk towards the recording booth where
I record my script, and I just hear Norm's voice
and he goes, here's that, Sally, And I'm like, there's
no fucking way. Norm MacDonald just said my name, and
I start walking towards him and we shake hands, and
he tells me how much he loves the Howard one
hundred News, and he tells me that his Langford's brother,

(01:45:40):
Steve Langford, who was the reporter, is a really good
friend of Norm and has known Norm for years. And
then he invites me to Carolines to do a guest
spot on a show later that night. And so my
argument with management when I was being told to sign
this was like, does this story fall under this umbrella?
Like if all I said was if you just give

(01:46:01):
me more specific what's the line, what's the line? Tell
me what you don't want me to talk about, and
I'll sign it. And they were like no, everything, and
I was like, no, it doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
Later, good for you.

Speaker 6 (01:46:15):
Well, I would have taken the money myself, but.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
I believe me, there's days where I think I should have,
because it's not like I'm doing a podcast shitting on
Howard every day.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
So you mentioned Steve Langford's brother, more autistic or less autistic?

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
Less less, okay, less Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Steve is the craziest fucking human being when it comes
to getting news stories I've ever met in my life. Insane.
All right, but I'll save that for your show. Show.

Speaker 5 (01:46:42):
Yeah, we'll chop it up sometime we're gonna do. I'll
do your show whenever you want.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Qusy.

Speaker 5 (01:46:48):
Once again, I'm leaving here feeling like we've talked about
nothing of value.

Speaker 6 (01:46:54):
So this was absolutely waste of all.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
So it's consistent, So it's consistent with your entire canon.

Speaker 4 (01:47:00):
Well done.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Let's close it out with this Mongoli and pussy, all right,
and that's it. That's all we really, I mean, we've
we've touched all the bases, so.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
A big old school we have. Goodbye and thanks everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Waiting to Nebrasko. It was nice to meet you too.
We've never spoken before, but nice to meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
And you believe me now you take away the big
as part of me.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
Baby, please don't go.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Okay, thank you, Sean, thank you Shuley and thank you.
Don Sean really does look like Robert Donney Jr. And
it was distracted me a little bit. And for you
to check it out for yourself. Who the hugely entertainment
on YouTube. I'm very happy with how this wenth and
hope you all enjoyed the soundtrack. Cooper liked the episode.

(01:47:58):
I don't know specifically who was up next. I was
emailing with doctor Steve literally right before we recorded started
to record this episode, so we will see. But there's
many more coming. I've been talking to a lot of
people and it's going to be a fun and good time.
So thank you for listening, thank you for subscribing on YouTube,
and it is usual.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Bye bye

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