American Sharia_ A Technocrat's Dream wCourtenay Turner - Out of This World #68 - Jay'sAnalysis

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to Out of this World. I got Courtney
Turner back for you, all the best in the business,
and she has got two bangers of articles on substack
that everybody needs to go and read right now. And
we are going to be discussing the first one of
those tonight and the second one shortly after. And I

(00:24):
wanted to show you a couple photos Courtney because and
all you guys, because this isn't gonna make sense until
the end of part two. But I don't Yeah, I
don't know if you knew this, but I am a
world champion at I see where this is going. Okay,
so right, and you are too, I know you're right

(00:46):
there with me. But I've been saying these things and
people just brush it off, like, oh, that will never happen.
And it happened. The next day. I opened my app
and I'm like, look, it's happened.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
So here's some photos that are a little confusing. I'm
gonna let you decide. There's the first one. What do
you think?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
So we have like a spirit and this is.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
A new phenomena that is happening. Orthodox girls wearing a
niecob like Islam. What?

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Here's another one with a cross in there by wearing
the kneecop and hello Kitty right there in the background.
If it's not weird enough for.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
You, Yes, yes, yeah, here's another one.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
You've got theotokos and she's failed.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
These are Orthodox Christians. Yeah, yeah, I can see the
artwork looks like Orthodox. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
And yeah here's another Christian praying to across but veiled
like Islam. So so strange.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Are they wearing them out of church or just in church?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Or I haven't seen this personally, This is just online.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, but you know how.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Things that fester online usually you see them in the
wild later on. Or this is just like kind of
where this stuff is going in the future. But I
just wanted to start out with that because it's so
weird and dissonant. And the show is going to be
called American Sharia a technocrats Dream. And Courtney wrote some

(02:30):
great articles where she took three elements and showed how
they are going to converge in our digital enslavement. Really,
and this is where a lot of this submission stuff
comes from. This BDSM, this idea that we are slaves
to men, that women have to be all in all,

(02:51):
always submit to all men all the time. That is
not true. And this is because they are creeping, crawling
towards quisl or just like the unification of all of
these ecumenical religions into one totality and tyranny. Right, yes,
and so I just wanted to let's start out with

(03:15):
Christian nationalism real quick, okay, because it's it's natural that
once a country, you know, reaches a certain threshold of citizens,
the majority, you know, Christian, let's say, people that it's
laws and its statutes are going to start to reflect
those kinds of values because those people get elected into

(03:36):
you know, positions, and so that starts to happen on
its own. But you know, there are limitations and boundaries
to the type of things that you can enforce. For one,
you cannot force people to convert to Christianity as you
can in Islam. Right, that's not our thing. It's a

(03:57):
right Christian. Yeah, it has to be.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
The free will is in there, yeah, I believe that's
part of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So you can't force someone to go to church, or
believe or do any of these things.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
But you can.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Enforce a law that is based in theology. Let's say,
if you have you know a religious sect that says
it's our sacrament to sacrifice babies, right, right, So you
do not want to have laws that say that this
is okay, because this is going above and beyond you know,

(04:34):
reason and free will and living in a society. And
I'm not even going beyond the realm of what happens,
because there is a certain small segment of occultist and
whiches online that say that a bobos are part of

(04:54):
their sacrament.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
They used actually the nineteen ninety three Religious Freedom Act
to justify that act. Yeah, the part of their religion
and it was a ritual. So there are certain.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Extensions of freedom that we can't allow in good conscience, right,
like pdos.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Stuff like that that has.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
To be against the law in any society. But I
see the people who are the spearheading of this Christian
nationalist movement. I do not trust them. Courtney doesn't trust them.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
I don't trust them.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
They're in conducion with the tectocrats. They're wacky. They have
some strange archaic ideas about roles and gender roles and
just all kinds of ways that society needs to run.
And I've seen the new Flag. I don't know if
you are aware the Christian nationalists have their own flag.

(06:00):
Did you have you seen that?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I have seen that. I don't remember what it looked like, though,
Yeah I have it.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, it is called the Appeal to Heaven flag.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Oh jeez. These people are nuts.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
And I mean I don't want to say they're nuts
because I'm on their team, but they are nuts sometimes, right.
So it's like things that I wanted to want to see,
how I don't.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't feel like you're on their team. Like the
thing that I really try to make very clear is
like I'm not attacking people who are Christian and patriotic, right, Like, there's.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
A big difference First of.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
All between even nationalism patriotism. They're not synonymous. They're similar,
but they're not synonymous. Second of all, these are people
they call themselves Christian nationalists. They're very explicit about that.
So it's not me labeling them. I'm not like, you know,
giving them some sort of a name or calling them
I'm not being like a you know, derogatory or pejorative

(06:57):
like this is actually what they call themselves. And they
delicitly say they want a theocracy, So that is in
a like fundamental opposition to the very first Amendment of
the United States of America. So regardless of what you
think about the Constitution, if you live in this country,
that is the very first amendment and it is diametrically opposed.
That is actually why the Decoration of Independence what's created

(07:20):
was largely and it's partly why it was the very
first amendment, was because they were fleeing the Church of England,
which was a theocracy, and they did not want any
kind of reinstatement of any kind of theocratic institution. So,
you know, it's not this is not I'm not attacking Christians.
I'm not attacking even nationalists. I mean, I have my

(07:41):
fief with nationalism, but I'm all in a favor of patriotism.
But this term, this Christian nationalism where they literally want
to subvert it's a subversive movement. They want to subvert
the Constitution and they want to replace it with a
theocracy and with what they call Biblical law. Although I
would argue, and this is you know, for me, Judge,
I don't even think they're really Christian because as you said,

(08:04):
it's not Christian to force people into your belief system. Uh,
it is not Christian. To uh, you know, create this
kind of a lot of them are creating hate and
strife and division. That doesn't sound very Christian to me. Uh,
you know, there's all sorts of things that they're doing
that to me don't even seem Christian. And they're definitely
not American. So that that's my and I feel like

(08:25):
they're using it as a cover for a political movement,
and it's really about usurpation power. It's not about you know,
their religious beliefs. You know, people can have their religious beliefs,
and I champion that, you know absolutely, but you know that,
don't use it as a cover for a political political movement.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Here's the flag appeal to have it, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Right with the Christian with the Christmas tree. Yeah yeah,
So it's a pine tree. And this was actually it
already has been raised in Washington, d C. Over the
Small Business Administration headquarters in June, so they're getting people
comfortable with this. It could be seen being waived on

(09:05):
the whole January six right, yeah, mockle and that became
associated with the Stop the Steal. And so this Christian
nationalist flag, this.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Appeal to Heaven flag, is now another symbol of the
far right. So I wonder sometimes when I see people
with a pine tree in their bio on.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Twitter, is that I don't know, that's probably yeah, it's
probably like a signal, right, yeah, that's what I would
think it is. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So this isn't even a new flag though. This is
actually an old flag since seventeen seventy six. It was
the official flag of the Massachusetts Navy and it was
the pine tree on a white field to symbolize an
appeal to God to save the colonists from oppressive kings.
So this is the i of the whole thing, because

(10:03):
it was taken from John Locke's Treatise on Civil Government
and you know, the them separating themselves from what was it,
King George Tyrant, King George of the time, right, But
now it's being used to kind of fold people back
into this enchilada of doom, uh, this technocratic digital prison,

(10:34):
and they're using this appeal to Heaven. I actually I
went to the website called providencemag dot com that was
talking about the historical, you know, aspects of this flag,
and there was two articles and one was the appeal
to Heaven and our new revolutionary War. So they are

(10:56):
already thinking that this is going to be a symbol
of another revolution and then fighting a tyrannical ruler.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
So wow, that's very interesting. I just looked up like
that flag and it sounds it seems like it's part
of the NAR, the New Apostolic Reformation movement. They're the
ones who believe that, like uh, that they're the apostles
and prophets, and so they're doing it like in the

(11:29):
flesh and they're you know, they have the divine mandate.
So what they're doing has been and they they're dominionists.
So that's That's another point that I wanted to make
was that I'm like Christianity and dominionism, I don't really
necessarily see as a synonymous and a lot of the
there there are very various sects of these kind of

(11:50):
Christian nationalists, but definitely the NAR. They believe in dominionism.
So it's this idea that the Christian Church should rule
over everyone.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well this is oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
All areas of society, which you know obviously is not American.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
So this brings two things to mind. One was Fred Phelps.
Do you remember that guy? So he yeah, okay, yeah,
he was the pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church, and
they would travel around and boycott basically like people's funerals
and just really day class a acting tasteless, boycotting just

(12:35):
crazy things. And their signs would say God hates fags,
and they would make the news all the time because
they had these like professionally printed signs and they were
able to travel around the country. It seemed like every
other week they were, you know, God Hates fags all
over the country. And I'm like, how did this little church.
Like I grew up in little Baptist churches like Fundee,

(12:58):
you know, independent, like small cliques, and like nobody in
those churches has money and time and resources to travel
around the country boycotting anything with professionally made signs all
the time, making news all the time. So I'm like,
this has got to be some kind of fed SiO. Yeah,

(13:20):
And so that's what we're talking about right now, Like
do not be deceived by these people. And I think
this is a good uh time to play this little clip.
Operation Missionary. I don't know if you've ever heard of this.
There's CIA is always coming up with these old mission.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Church theory declassified documents prove it. During the Cold War,
they launched something called Operation Missionary and used fake Christian
missionaries and churches as covers for CIA agents, especially in
Asia and Latin America. They trained agents to act like pastors, preach,

(14:06):
hand out bibles just to spy and get this. They
admit it. It put real missionaries at risk, but kept
doing it anyway. One actual CIA memo said religious cover
is especially useful because it allows freedom of movement and

(14:26):
gathering information under the radar. Think about that. How many
so called pastors today are actually working for the government.
You can look it up CIA plus Missionary program. It's
not fiction. It's public record now. And if they were

(14:46):
willing to infiltrate churches, how deep does the deception go?
The CIA created.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
A thing, So what we're talking about tonight, Yeah, they
stopped at the Cold War.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
I don't think so, probably not.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Probably not.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I didn't actually know about that, but that makes
perfect sense. I Mean, what I'm seeing is just like
a pervasive kind of use of Christianity as like a
cover for many movements. A lot of them are these
technocratic movements.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, and then you have people saying, I'm not going
to say who said this, but he did say that
Christians are the most gullible target and they will believe
anything and buy anything because they're just they want to
believe in the good.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
That's the bad part about it is they want to
see the good in people and they get exploited that way. Right,
But luckily I'm here to see all the bad. I
me and Corny just see it. We're going to point
it out because she wrote this great article called Phoenix Conspiracy,
and this is what I've been talking about when we
do shows like Secret Destiny of America and the Occult

(15:59):
side of It and all of the WU stuff he's
talking about. Me and Courtney have been pointing that out
with the un and our shows about the cosmo erotic
what was it called cosmo erotics.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Humanism, And that's going to make a reappearance in my
next article that we do. Yeah, yeah, it's in there.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
So what we are seeing here is the techno feudal
empire built on the ashes of the republic, they say.
And so Courtney has outlined that tech billionaires, anti democratic philosophers,
and Christian nationalists have a master plan to quote unquote

(16:42):
Phoenix the Republic.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Right, Yes, Yeah, So for those who aren't familiar, I
did a video on Brett Weinstein and Game B Phoenixing
the Republic. And that's actually how I discovered Game B
was because Brett Weinstein did this video. It was a
speech for Rescue the Republic and this was like a

(17:04):
medical freedom movement kind of event in Washington.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
D C.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
And I think it was in twenty twenty four, I
don't remember exactly what month. But so he does this
speech and at the end of the speech, he spends
the first of all, at the beginning of the speech,
the whole speech, he's talking about the West. We have
to save the West. And I found that very kind
of interesting because the title is Rescue the Republic. Now,
I understand the United States is a byproduct of Western civilization.

(17:32):
I certainly care about the West. I care about the world,
you know, all people, but it's not the Republic is
not the West. So that just struck me as odd, right,
because Rescue the Republic is very specific. So we're talking
about the United States of America, constitutional Republic. And then
so he spends most of the speech talking about, you know,
the West, and then he says, he repeats, you know,

(17:55):
the very famous line that Ben Franklin was asked, you know, sir,
what type of a government and is this? And he says,
is a republic if you can keep it? And he said, well,
it's the republic in phoenix it And I was like,
Phoenix the Republic, what does that mean? And it wasn't
a throwaway. He spent five minutes after that proceeding to

(18:15):
explain why we have to Phoenix the republic. And then
I started to think about, you know, the symbolism of phoenix,
you know, and where we heard this before. And the
first instance that I was familiar was with Tavistock. They've
done somuch research on Tavistack and there is an Operation
Phoenix in Tavistock. So added the ashes of World War Two,

(18:36):
they got a grant from the Rockefellers which allowed them
to restructure and create from the Tavistock Clinic and offshoot,
which was the Tavistock Institute of Human Relation. They're similar,
they work together, but the clinic's much more focused on
personal therapy, group therapy. The clinic the sorry. The Institute
is more research and corporate, more mass scale kind of production,

(18:59):
and so they had to gut everything and they were
using these tactics that were developed by Wilfrid Meyn and
Eric trist out of when they were working with you know,
the British British military to create like a leaders for
the military. And so they use that strategy in those

(19:20):
tests they were called the War Office Selection Boards, and
they gutted everything because you have to tear it down
to rebuild it. Right, that's the phoenix, so it can
rise up from the ashes. And then of course we've
got Operation Phoenix with the CIA, and then we've got
you know, several others, and there is a very recent one.
I outline this in the article, but there is one

(19:41):
that is going on right now. There is it's called
Operation Phoenix. It is an independent movement to flood Congress
in twenty twenty six with quote unquote independence, which I
think is aka technocracy, but it is used third way politics.
So I did an article, it's a shorter article that
was called the Technological Age of Aquarius, Third Way dream

(20:03):
or digital Dystopia, and I kind of outline this there,
but I do it in this article. Also, I'm talking
about how they're using third way politics. So for people
who are not familiar with that's a out of Fabian socialism.
Anthony Giddens wrote the famous book on Third Way, and
he talks about how it's the radical center, and so

(20:23):
what do we have now? We've got Elon mush talking
about how you know, got a Yeah, I mean, are.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
You tired of the uniparty two party system, let's make
a third one, like we're going to trust you? Yeah
right right?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
And so not again, yeah right, not not again?

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, he promised us doge and like cleaning up the
swamp and stimmy chaps and all kinds of goodies. And
then what do we get? A new AI p O
r n O girl? Yes, right, rock girlfriend who looks
like the most basic, stupid Ai Ani May cartoon character.

(21:07):
There was nothing even avant garde about it. It just
looked like what kids have been having impure thoughts too for.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
A twenty Yeah already you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
And then they came out with the AI boyfriend named Valentine.
Yes right, And so you thought you were gonna get
all of this uh transparency and cleaning up the budget,
and oh best we can do is a new porn character.
Uh right you self?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, yes, I knew, Yes, that's that's what they're giving us.
And apparently she supposed to be sixteen years old.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Oh the lords. So yeah, this is let's just like
rewind a tiny bit, because the degradation of the West
is what is going to allow people to allow this
to happen, because they're like, oh, it's so bad, the
CP the the Pizzagate, the gender mutilation. Western women are terrible.

(22:16):
I mean, I hear this rhetoric all the time, and
I've even heard it from clergy like Western women have
something wrong with them, Like how can we even choose
where to be born? You know, you can't. You can
only do with what you have. And they're like, you
should go to eastern Europe to find a wife. And
it's just like this is part of the idea that

(22:40):
this is an Islamic idea to death to the West,
right right, you're the great Satan, You're the great Hollywood
that has ruined the entire world and we have to
like come in with our morals and clean it up.
And it's not that they're like wrong about every thing,

(23:00):
but the Western women in particular, they're always attacking mm hmm,
and I'm like, how how can they even be held
responsible for where you're born. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
It's totally ridiculous. And it's not like Western women are
somehow like responsible for all the problems in the world,
right it's a yeah, And it's not like they're so
much worse than everybody else. They's it's just a they
have to create some sort of a stark polarity.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Right, they have they have to have a narrative that
we are ruined and we have to be burned down
and replaced by more traditional women. So we have to
be shut up and put in out a pasture or whatever.
They're going to recycle us into the matrix. I don't know,
but yeah, yeah, yeah, So I went through in the

(23:58):
article of like the origins of the Phoenixes.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I think a lot of people have a very positive association.
If they're not immersed in the occult, you know, they
have decision of like it's you know, rebirth, then it's overcoming.
But it does have a very alchemical and you know,
a cult kind of semiotic and.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Not only a cult, but like fantasy land, like yes,
sci fi tense dimension. So last time we talked about
Peter Teal and how Pallenteer was the the stone the
Evil Stone from Lord of the Rings, and he was
like obsessed with dwarves and dark elves and like all

(24:39):
this stuff. And in your article you talk about the
Teal Fellowship and Curtis Jarvin, who made the acronym rage right,
retire all government employees, And I thought it was interesting
it was called rage because we talk a lot about
rage bait, because that is the drug that gets you

(25:00):
hooked to these social medias and gets you following all
of these different personalities that are there to lead you
down different specific paths. And also, if you retire all
the government employees at this point, that's like, well almost
forty percent of the American workforce is somehow employed by
the government or like subsidies of that. That's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Jobs, yeah, a lot of jobs. And people think that
they're just gonna retire all the employees and somehow we're
going to streamline all these bureaucracy and get rid of
all this you know, looted overspending. It sounds very lovely
except what they're replacing it with. Right, that's the part

(25:42):
that they It's like they cut it off mid story,
and they do tell you they said that they want
to replace it with Ai. But yeah, people somehow didn't
hear that because that wasn't what they wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So what is the c setting project? Because they're talking
about how to reboot the government right and phoenix it
and then you have all these weird secret projects going on,
like we're going to talk about in the next show
Epstein and his space Babies and the ocean and all
like galain Teramar. But so what is the sea setting project?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Here? The sea setting is a concept that Peter Cheel
came up with. He put one point seven million dollars
into it, and it is very reminiscent of Taramar. But
it was this idea that you would have little city
states on international waters so they're not subject to you know,
the laws of sovereign nation states. And it didn't really

(26:36):
take off. And so Belaji Shenavalsen ran with this concept
of network states and that has really been you know,
quite accepted, like a lot of the Silicon Valley and
others are really taking off with it. And so in
his book and the purpose, the whole premise behind network
states is that Belagi says that we're going to have

(26:58):
a dissolution of geo graphical nation state in favor of
ideological cyber network states. But he and I did put
the quote in my article. He says that he still
thinks sea steading because he puts a whole you know,
section talking about sea steading and how that inspired this
concept of network states. But he says that you still

(27:19):
thinks se stetting has a huge potential where we have
to get network states off the ground first, and then
we can start crowdfunding for cruise ships and yachts and
we're going to have our sea stetting.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
So would a cruise ship be like a floating village
under its own jurisdiction and laws and things like that, Okay,
so it.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Would have to be far enough out. I think that's
the idea is that they do. So it's kind of
like all of these zones, right, they call him z's
because it comes from the Spanish term, but it's essentially
these uh unregulated economic zones, right, special economic zones. And
Prospera is one of them, right, that's Peter Chield's Prospera.

(27:59):
It's in Rotan, Honduras, and they have the subsidiary. It
was Vitalia. They renamed it to Infanita. It was a
city where death is optional. Apparently you can still find
that on the way back machine on the word when
they call it kaya.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
But that's the see to remind you all, Teal is
the guy who's like taking other people's blood, and they're
all interested in living forever and stem cells and all
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
So yeah, yes, yes, they're doing all sorts of life
extension types of experiments down there. I mean, in general,
he's involved in a bunch of like technologies of that realm.
But in Prospera they're they're doing those experiments very openly
because there's no regulation, and so that's what they want.
With sea steading. I think that's why they're saying, you know,

(28:48):
on the ocean, because you don't have the laws. Like
in a nation state, you have to comply with the laws,
but in these little network states you don't either. But
who become the lawmakers. It's the tech oligarchs.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
So it's kind of like when you go to the
south and you can't gamble, but if you get on
a riverboat you can gamble there. You go, yeah, okay, yeah,
So if they have all these little tiny what do
you call them, neo cameralist city states. Is that what
who's going to rule over those if they're self governing?

(29:22):
Like where does the king come in?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh? So that's Curtisy Jarvin's concept, and he believes that
there's going to be a CEO tech king, so we'll
have like he says that the problem with America is
that needs a reboot. He did an actual speech calling
rebooting the government back in twenty twelve and he said
this is where you had that rage sign behind him

(29:44):
and says that we need to get over our fear
of the dictator. So we have to get over a
fear of dictatorship because the best thing And he actually
did a b log on this where he was so
this was back in Trump's Trump one point zero, his
first term. He was talking about how Trump was going
to come back and he was so excited because he
was going to be the CEO, so he was going

(30:05):
to be a dictator. He was going to run the
country like a startup business. He calls them solve corpse.
So Nick Land calls a gov corp, but Curtis you
Rubin calls his solve corp. It's essentially the same thing.
It's this idea that we shouldn't have nation states. We
should be run like a company, a startup company, and
he says the CEO is basically the dictator of the

(30:26):
company and that that's how we should be run. So
it's who's going to be the king. It's going to
be the tech king, right, it's going to be And
then they use that term as well, so well, dictators
are so cuddly. I don't know what. Yeah, yeah they're
and they're all warm, fuzzy.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
And hey, guess who's making a comeback is tiny mustache man.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Oh yeah, yeah. They said he's the good guy. And
I don't know, I miss that.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
But I don't think anti Semitism isn't going to play
a part in this. And you all got me feeling
sorry for the Jews. I've had a tinfoil hat for
twenty years, and I'm like, okay, we're going.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Too far with the Jews, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
It's not all the and Or, it's not all the Jesuits,
it's not all one crazy group.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
But as it keeps saying, the only game people learned
how to play growing up was pin the tail on
the donkey. It's like they really think the world is
that simple, like really.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, and they say that these places are going to
make people happy, healthy or holy. What do you think
they mean by or holy?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Who says this the I think Curtis Jarvin.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
That was a quote in your article. He said that
it will make its citizens happy, healthy or holy?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, because they think that this is a
you know, the holy way. They think that this is
a divine mandate. That's what Teal said. So Teal has
a lot of they have a lot of influence on
each other. So Cheal calls Jarvin the household philosopher, and
Jarvin says Teal is very enlightened. So and Teal had done.

(32:10):
It was in two thousand and nine he wrote an
essay for CATO Unbound, and he says how he no
longer sees democracy and freedom as being compatible. So they
both share this idea that we have to eradicate democracy.
But yeah, I mean they Jarvins not particularly religious, but

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I think he so, I don't know that he's using
the term holy in like a religious sense. But when
Teal is trying to I don't know that he's truly Christian.
Not my place to judge, but I don't know how
he commensurates a lot of the ideas with what you.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Saw his interview where they're like, so the human race continue,
and he's like.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Like, well, it depends on what form. Right are we
talking about technoplastic beings? Then maybe it depends on what
you mean.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's like easy question, but he was really stumped on
that one, and it can give you a window into
how these people think, Like should it.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, exactly, yeah, okay, this was it was from his
gray mirror, the restoration of public's truth.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Right. The mission of the new regime would not only
make citizens happy, healthy, or holy. Its missions would be
to maximize the value of assets, which are nothing but
it's citizens and their property. As a corporation, it's board
could fire its CEO for anything, and as a government
it could do so only for mismanagement. So I just
want to people keep saying this, Oh, it's voluntary, but

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once it's under a smart contract, good luck changing that,
Like that's not a human you're negotiating way. They can
be difficult to get out of, like a human contract.
But that's written on paper. But once it's on a
like recursive smart contract, I think that's going to be
a very different story. But yeah, so he's essentially just
saying like that that's the under the government structure that

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we have now that you know, the job is to
make it the citizens happy, healthy and holy. But he's
saying that this is this would be to replace it
with a corporate structure where the only the only mission
is profit. So m hm.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And they talk a lot about something called the cathedral,
which is basically just like the the unelected bureaucrats and
the media figures and the academics which form a sort
of parallel influenced shadow government, right of characters that shape
our opinions.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
And he says we need something called the butterfly Revolution.
Now this peaked my interest because you know, every time
we talking about butterflies is going to be something about
mind control. Right, But I just thought, does this have
anything to do with because they have been conditioning a

(35:00):
with MK ultra since at least the fifties as a
society on a large scale operation. And I would argue
that most of the public is under this MK ultra
influence spell by proxy mind control. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I think so too. So this is what he says.
So it's from he is Gray Mirror, which is like
this you know the show Black Mirror is such like
predictive programming. And yeah, he names his blog Gray Mirror.
His first blog, the one starting in two thousand and seven,

(35:44):
was Unqualified Reservations and it's it's very it's long because
you know, it's decades. But what he said this is
when you're talking about how Trump is going to come
in and be the CEO, and he said, what Trump
is going to do is rebuild this regime in exile
or occupation authority as a private and needless to say,

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peaceful institution a larva. By winning a presential election. He
will then install it in office, metamorphosing into beautiful butterfly.
This larva will perform the feat that eluded Trump's first regime,
turning regime, turning office into power. As soon as it
takes symbolic power, the butterfly will be ready, willing and

(36:28):
able to take actual power to actually make America great again.
You've seen nothing, nothing, And then he goes on, but yeah,
so he is using I do think that it has
some sort of a mind control kind of reference, but
he's not very for all the poetic reference. He I

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don't know's I feel like he's actually kind of shallow.
So I don't know how much he's aware of that
or how much that was, Like he's been kind of controlled,
you know.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I like the image of a larva. I know, I
know he's a little.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, yeah, I know, because I don't I feel like
it's kind of odd that he was catapulted. I don't.
I feel like so he seemed like a you know,
a construct of sorts. And I really think Peter Cheel
was very instrumental in that. Peter Cheel invested in his
he did a practical herbit was back in like I

(37:32):
think two then two or two thousand and four, and
herbit was kind of like an early network state. And
Peter Teel, I don't remember how much he invested, but
was like one of the primary investors in it. Yeah,
so he kind of launched Garvin. And I don't know
that Jarvin's ideas would have so much influence if it
weren't for Tel's sponsorship.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
And he goes by the namentious molbug too, right, So
you could find things written by him about monarchy and
all kinds of different ideas, theocracies and things like that.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yes, so, and his blog that was the Unqualified reservations.
He is under mensious Molbug, and I don't know exactly
why he chose that. I mean, I have theories on it,
but huh yeah bug, So I'm like under the dirt.
But it's kind of like a spy or like a mole,

(38:30):
you know, like an embedded spy. Yeah, it's also kind
of like a poison that like spreads. Yeah, I don't know,
mouldbug mentious. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Let's talk about another character real quick that we have
mentioned before, Nick Land, So you talk about him in
your Phoenix article. So he is the like philosophical component
to this right and accelerate, yes to.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
And I'm going to do another article on accelerationism because
they essentially see the you know, I described like the
Gamebee is the left hand path and the dark Enlightenment
at the right hand path, and it's really of accelerationism.
So that that is his philosophy, this idea that we
that capitalism is good doomed to fail anyway, and that

(39:25):
use we should use it, and we should use technology
to push capitalism to the nth degree so it reaches
it's apocalyptic state and so we can become gve courpse
and technoplastic beings, so we can.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Burn it down like a phoenix, right, so accelerate and
get it over.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
With the Yeah, yeah apocalyptic.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
It crashes and burns down yep, to a post human future.
So it's nothing awesome. It's like you just said those
weird things that I wrote down that I'm going to
make you explain what those things are in a second.
But so Nick Land, he takes cybernetics a Nietzschean ubermensch

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superman philosophy, what else sci fi?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yes, right, his.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Firstition yep, and the occult idea of will to power
mm hmmm yeah, and created this uh what was it
called c c are U.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yes, the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit. It was a part
of the philosophy department at Warwick University, and Sadie Plant
was his partner who created it, and she was like
a cyberpunk feminist.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
And so were they trying to figure out how the
internet could uh equalize a lot of things in society,
like was one of their goals, right.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, I mean they have a weird notion of equalization,
though I would say they're all for hierarchy. So I
think CD brings that because it was the feminist element.
So in that regard, I think there was the you know,
egalitarian concept. But Nick land is I mean, he's a
dark Enlightenment proponent, so he is straight up all for

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hierarchical structures, so he's not really advocating for any kind
of egalitarian system.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
So I went to one of the links in the
like occult links for the CCR. Yes, it was definitely
out there. I'm like, I understand what this graph is saying.
But yeah, okay, so you've you've got the hobgoblins in
the mix.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yes, fault is the techno cult culture.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Something called hyperstition.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Oh you're all black? What happened?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I went blackh No? Oh boy? Heng did you pay
like that?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
It's like a cartoon, like I just need to see
your little white eyes now U.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Hang on, all right, let me fix this. I think
that I need to put on.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I can still see your logo and everything, and I
can hear you, and we are recording and we're back.
We found Courtney. She's been illumined. She's gone from darkness
to light. And we were talking about.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Cc are you and what is hyperstition? Yeah? So hyperstition
is this idea that you take like fictional ideas, concepts
and characters, and you manifest them into reality.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Okay, so just yeah, making stuff from your imagination. Yeah,
and getting on board with it.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah like that. It's to actually but actually create aiding
reality out of these just fictional ideas. And he's like
manifesting okay, so.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
This is what the Nick Land and the CCR you
were interested in. You've got techno culture techno.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I'm sorry, no, in his like he actually described that,
he says. Hyperstition is the term used to describe self
fulfilling prophecy that come through that come through existence and spread.
It is associated with science fiction, speculative fiction, futurism, occultism,
and conspiracy theories. Hyperstition was coined by the British cultural

(43:38):
theorist Nick Land and Mark Fisher to describe the way
in which certain cultural ideas or narratives can become self
fulfilling prophecies. The term is a portmanteau of the words
hyper meaning beyond or above, and superstition, meaning belief or
practice that is not based on reason or knowledge. In
other words, hyperstition are beliefs or stories that, through their

(44:01):
very existence and dissemination, bring about their own reality or truth,
and they are often associated with the fields of science fiction,
speculative fiction, futurism, as well as with certain forms of
occultism and er theory.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Would life imitating art fall under this too, I think so?

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah. I mean that's kind of what he's doing. He's
a you know, he's got his like shag Off character,
and yeah, he's a lot of references from Lovecraft. He's
very inspired by Julius Evola.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, okay, Lovecraft, Necronomic on Dark Black, yes stuff. Yes, well,
speaking of that, he talks about techno capital as alien intelligence.
What does he mean by intelligence just like something foreign
or actually like the alien.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
No, he's signed you met, just like foreign, Like it's
a something that's not Yeah, he's not.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Talking to being from serious like Esselyn.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, you know, he's just saying that there is like
some sort of foreign He says that about capitalism too
in general, like he feels like capitalism is like an
alien kind of force that's being projected.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
I could almost agree with that, Like, yeah, the way
that it extends into you know, the late stages and
just like total greed and yeah, exploitation, that's pretty foreign
to human nature. In my opinion. But yeah, so what
what is a hyper racist entity?

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Okay, so this and you have to get the way
back Machine for this, I did link it in the article.
A lot of these are from the way back Machine
because you can't find them anymore. But hyper racist he
starts off and he talks about how like it's not
racist or anti racist, we have to become hyper racist,
which basically means that we have to go beyond specie.

(46:09):
So he's really talking about like genetic eugenics. He's you know,
I would classified under positive eugenics, but genetic selection and
using like a synthetic biology and genetic breeding, so we're
essentially creating a new race.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Well didn't that just come out in the news a
couple days ago. New new technology for like deleting diseases
and designer babies is all the rage, and they are
really perfecting this gatica Like yeah, HEIGHTI right, remember that movie,
Like yeah, I feel like we're I didn't think we'd

(46:47):
live to see it quite yet. It's the biological caste system.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yes, yeah, exactly, it's crazy. Yeah, And of course, uh
Elon is very much you know champion that he's a
pro natalism. But meanwhile basically advocating like Petri dish babies.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, we're going to get to that in part two
of this because wirthrate like debate and have as many
babies as you can right on the heels of I
thought we were overpopulated. It's just so many ways that
people are swung to and fro and like, what we

(47:29):
what is our duty? I thought our duty was to
not have babies. Now it's our duty to have a
may baby as possible. And they're not realizing that this
is just like a Hegelian pendulum, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
That's exactly right. Yep. So one is creepy and they
like the article has like this weird kind of like
slit eye kind of alien looking man on the cover
of it. Yeah, it's it's kind of And he said

(48:02):
in this quote, he says racist will not exist once
they are reduced by practical politics and libertal null indiscriminary
uh into relics of contingent historical partition. What's that here?
So I think he's saying that, uh, like when because

(48:24):
he's talking about how like, uh, we have to move
beyond these these cultural barriers where everything's you know, like
all the kind of like race, uh dynamics and identity politics,
and he's saying we're really going to move past that,
and then I know in here I'm trying to find
where he says it, but he essentially talks about how

(48:46):
we're going to move forward into basically a new race,
which is like a genetic selection.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Type of Are these the technoplastic beings he's talking about
we were going to evolve so by in plastic meaning
like malleable, right, not like actually non?

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I actually no, I think is I think he's.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, like, oh okay, okay, so so fun technologtic because
they think that game a what we live in aka
reality is doomed, right, And I just I don't like
the idea of blowing it up and starting over because
a lot of things are gonna get hurt in the process.

(49:30):
I think we can like grow from where we're at.
We don't have to you know, swipe the board clean.
I feel like we can just do some pruning and
some reflecting and get to a better place without destroying
the entire thing because a lot of people are going
to suffer in that.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I would agree. So the game be people are much
more incremental, so it's more of a scientific socialism than
it is like a radical reboot the Dark Enlightenment. They
talk about reboot like we've got to tear down and
start over. We've got to get to the apocalyptic state

(50:08):
where capitalism is just done and the you know, current
state is over so that we can move into this
new kind of autocratic, techno king ruled world. So they
frame it differently, but they both end up in this
kind of transhuman technocratic realm. But I did actually put

(50:28):
the quote on the Technoplastics in the article that sounds like.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
A cool band name. We're the Technoplastics.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I know a lot of these do hyperplasmic, I mean
of words that would be great for some sort of
like a goth band.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Like a steampunk fan.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Well, yeah, his his blog is called Xeno Systems and
then his newest one is called Xeno Gothic. But I
did put at the end you might have seen this one.
It was Zeno dot a cult dot UK. Yeah, that's
one of its also, which was like focused on a cult.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
So you've got it's so crazy how you make all
these things converge. Because you've got techno pagans teaming up
with Theo Bros. Yes, to get this done, to get
us in shackles and glued to our devices at all
times and not able to go outside or have any
agency whatsoever. We are gonna be stuck through the internet

(51:30):
and be happy. And the theo bros you talk about,
they are adding the divine mandate to the techno authoritarianism.
So who who are these theobros that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, so we've got a bunch of them. We have
the uh like Pete Haigseth was one of them. What
else did we have? We've got Chris Bursick, we have
I'm kind of remembering Doug Wilson, one of these guys.
Doug Wilson is kind of like the guru. He's one

(52:08):
of the leaders.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Okay, Yes, So these are the men who merge reform
theology with Silicone Valley supremacism. So you've got the snobby
Christian attitude with the snobby Silicon Valley computer attitude. And
they are explicitly advocating for replacing the democratic governance with

(52:34):
Biblical law, which I don't think is as cool as
it sounds.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I think that's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Actually, I think it sounds so crazy.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, I think so too. I think this is pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I mean, honestly, it's because these guys I can see
right through them. If you know, somebody with their right
mind was running for office, maybe like Father Josiah Trenam
or somebody like who has common sense, then I would
be more on board with this. But it's like crazy
wack and doodle cult evangelical TV preacher like Carnival Barker

(53:14):
guys that are setting this up.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yes, exactly. And then there's the uh Gundobros I talked
about them too, and they're like, you know, using like
military technology and they're using the divine mandate to control
people with their military technology gun ros.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
So these are the defense tech culture guys from El Segundo, right,
and they're like very pro what masculinity is one of
their big thing and.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah computers, yeah, computers and like military equipment.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Oh okay, yeah so like raytheon kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Yeah, there's a there wasn't a whole lot on them,
but yeah, like one of the articles was the Gunderbrus
Electromagnetic War and Google's AI for defense, so there it's yeah,
it's literally like defense tech, so like palanteer kind of stuff.
Religious this was specifically electromagnetic defense.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
But yeah, religious computer programmers, for Christian nationalism, and well,
a lot of these things that you see going around
on X we're from these people like you talk about
the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, and this was the

(54:43):
thing that was founded by Doug Wilson, and one of
their big things was repealed the nineteenth Right. Yep, yes,
I don't even care. Voting as fakean gay anyway, come
get it. I don't even care, Like, watch me not
pay taxes. If you take away with right to vote,
that's it. I'm not filing ever again.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
And also calling for the implementation of public flogging for
certain crimes. Now, this was going around like maybe like
six or eight months ago, where that one guy, it
was a na Joel Webbin.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yes I was going to bring him up. He's not
in my article, but yeah, he's definitely one of them.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
He was talking about how he would advocate for women
being publicly executed for certain crimes like lying, and I'm like,
who's going to be the arbiter.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I don't want to see that. I definitely don't want
to see that.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Nobody wants to see that. And I'm like, yeah, I'm
sure you have a couple of women in mind already,
but just very what'd you call it, draconian style? Yeah,
stoning type stuff, which that is not Christian at all,
Like that is not New Testament, that is not christ

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That is very if.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
That yeah, right, totally. Yeah, it's it's yeah, it's very uh,
all of those things, it's yeah. The other one was
Augustus de Rico, who is the founder of Rainmaker. Hmm,
and they was involved in like the I mean, he

(56:34):
pretty much admitted that his technology was involved in the
floods in Texas.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Oh okay, so that's come out that that was an actual.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
He well, he was interviewed in like a and it
was a very short clip, but the way he said
it was kind of like an admission. I don't know,
you'd have to go and listen and decide yourself, but
I mean he definitely cloud seated in that area. I mean,
that's why the company's cult maker, that's what they do.
So they admitted that obviously. But this was like Peter

(57:04):
Giel's fellowship that funded him, and he's like one of
these kind of like you know, part of the American dynamism. Movement.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
So well, whether modification is like conspiracy one oh one,
that's yeah, I know, and it's been around for it's
like the fifties.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
It's so, I mean the whole uh that was like
in the Vietnam War, A lot of it, the all
of that was about all the weather modification research that
they were doing as warfare.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
So you're your Gundo bros. Your weird pastors, your fred phelps,
your operation missionary. Remember that that's what it was called,
right operation missionary.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Yeah, and that that is that kind of seems like
what's going on.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I don't know, there's two point zero right operation mission.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
And now you and this was oh sorry, I was
gonna say it was also relevant because of jd Vance, Right,
this is and I think Pete Hegseth is pretty relevant
as well. Right that he's calling for uh doing all
these religious kind of ceremonies in the political arena, and
so I tho't that was It's very significant that he's

(58:17):
wielding that kind of influence. And jd Vance is tied
in with like these c R CHR kind of churches.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
So would you say that Trump was just like paving
the way for jd Vance like they had their eye
on him to bring these things.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I don't. I think the opposite. I think that they
want jd Vance. Jd Vance is their puppet, So I
think I don't think Trump was like instrumental so much
as like they were bringing they were I think Trump
is like a He's a conduit. So but I think
Jdvance is who they want. If they could get jd
Vance in now, I think they would like I think

(58:58):
if they can you know, I've had these theories, and
I mean it's really just speculative. But if they can
tie all of this uh you know, Epstein stuff to
Trump and somehow implicate him and then start like impeachment discussions,
they would love nothing more. And then to get their
vans popped in as soon as possible, I think.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
And they just love to do this thing where they
act like they've given you something like the whole overturning
the rov Wade stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Oh right, But.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Now all the things that are happening are even worse
because you're having these cases where if a woman has
like a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy or some kind of
scary thing, she can be charged with murder. Now they're
calling mothers host bodies instead of pregnant women, you are

(59:50):
now a host body. So the birth rate weirdness, the
whole idea of the fecundancy of you know, having lots
of kids is getting mixed in here. Not that there's
anything wrong with that, but when you're like pushing it

(01:00:10):
on people and manipulating them with these ideas, it gets hairy.
And then you had that case where they kept that
lady alive for months and months because she was pregnant
on life support, when they should have just taken her
off and let her go peacefully. They wanted to have
the baby. I don't think these people care about babies.

(01:00:32):
I don't think they care about women. They care more
about hypothetical babies than they do about actual real women.
And I don't think they've given us anything wholesome for free.
I think the overturning of these things and instituting of
new laws is just going to get creepier outcomes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
What do you think, Yeah, Unfortunately, I think they do
a lot of that, kind of like bait and switch.
It's it's so that because you see it's it's like
when another example would be Trump banning the cbdc's right,
everybody's cheering, We're so excited, Yay, we don't have central
bank digital currencies. And meanwhile he's like marching in the

(01:01:14):
Congress back digital currencies, which I actually think are worse.
I mean many I'm not in favor of central bank
digital currencies, but at least they have some regulatory oversight
that the ones I don't know. To me, that's just
a vehicle of complete tokenization and done through these private companies.
So the kind of power that they they'll have with that,

(01:01:38):
and the kind of technocratic kind of control they would have,
I think is really dystopian. So but I think that's
what they do oftentimes, like they give you this little
they dangle the carrot so people can feel pacified, like, Okay,
we're winning. Yeah we're winning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah that's getting better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah we're winning. We march right into our techno feudal enslavement.
We are winning.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Well, and under this type of hierarchy, the platform owners
are going to be the new feudal lords, as you said,
So like Elon Musk owning Twitter, like he can silence anyone,
he can platform anyone, he can boost anyone, and you
just have so few platforms on the Internet now that

(01:02:28):
this is consolidated into a few hands, just like the
mainstream media was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Yes, yep, and they become the tech kings. Right. So
if if X becomes the Twitter whatever becomes the everything app,
and it's like the weed chat that he wants to
make it, Who's who's the king, who's the ruler? I mean,
well it's not the banking app too. I know that's

(01:02:56):
what you're saying. He wants it to be the everything yeah, right.
That was the whole of PayPal. PayPal was to eradicate
the dollar. It was to replace the dollar. That was
the whole purpose of PayPal. For people who don't remember PayPal.
The PayPal mafia as they're called, was Peter Thiel, Elon Muth,
and David Sachs, who is essentially like a self appointed

(01:03:16):
cryptos are right now station because he was appointed as
a special advisor. They only have like one hundred and
thirty days or one hundred and thirty something days, right,
and so he's passed that point. But he's basically like
self appointed now, so he's the cryptos are. But that
was the whole purpose. And I do just like to

(01:03:37):
remind people is not just Elon, I mean, even Dorsey
still has, you know, ownership of Twitter, but yeah, it
essentially ends up in the tech oligarch's hands, so they
have the say, not us with the people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
I mean, I don't know about you, but I can't
even remember all of the websites I used to visit,
because like in the two thousands, you have what ten
twenty tabs of bookmarks. They like, I like this one,
this one, this one, this one, and you go and
have your fun in all the different places. And now
I go x and twit TikTok.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yeah, because I'm trying to spend left time online. But
it's like there's no more fun places. It's just like
these two giant places where it's not that fun anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Yeah, it's all consolidated and it's kind of assessful.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
So you talk about the pipeline from Christian nationalism to
advanced weapons development, and that's the Gundo Bros. And essentially
these are the polls between left and right are pushed
to extremes to create the technocratic synthesis. That's what you
were talking about with Elon and the Third Party. And

(01:04:52):
you mentioned that his grandfather, Joshua Howelman was the key
figure in Canada's technocracy perporated. And we did do a
show a long long time, maybe like three years ago,
called Elon Musk's Slippery Sorcery where we talk about his
like life and history. And then I did read a

(01:05:15):
six hundred page biography.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Of Elmo who.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
I don't think I'll ever report on it, just because
I don't want to get banned off Twitter, but I
did take a lot of notes on that just for
personal reference, like who is this person? Basically my take is,
you know, he's a classic Bond villain with all of
the bells and whistles, all of it, every aspect of it, right, right,

(01:05:40):
and he's the one pushing for the technocracy's radical center
or what he calls the third way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Right Yeah, I mean he doesn't use the term third way.
He does use the term the center. Right. He keeps
saying like we need the eighty percent middle. Uh. And
I actually responded to him like that, that's nice. We
tried that before. You know, we know where that leads.
But it is the that is the premise of third

(01:06:06):
way is that you have this radical center. So it's
a they push the ends to the extreme. So people
are so fed up, and yes, our system is flawed,
but less time I checked, any system humans create will
be inherently flawed. So, uh, you know, that doesn't necessarily
mean these other ideas are going to be better. She
just means they're praying on the fact that people recognize

(01:06:29):
their flaws in our system and that it is like
a hey Gelian dialectic. Uh. And so they're like, oh,
we've got these moderate centers people, you know, come join us.
But it's not. It's a radical center. That's what they
call it. Radical. The Third Way calls it the radical Center,
and he says Anthony Gidden says it has to be
left of center. So right there tells you this radical

(01:06:51):
center for fallen name radical should be a clue, but
it tells you that it's not in the middle. It's
left of center. He says. It has to be left
of center for their social and emancipatory goals, so we
will always be left of center. And essentially what it
looks like is really this is a vehicle to usher
in the technocracy. And I think this United Independent Movement

(01:07:12):
is a really big clue because, first of all, who
jumped on board to support Elon's quote unquote American Party,
which seems anything but American right away. I mean he's
South African an American, but he doesn't even go here. Yeah, right,
I think he did get natural eye, but yeah, he's
not like you know, yeah, but he So we've got

(01:07:33):
Andrew Yang who jumped on board to support him right away.
And Andrew Yang's whole slogan is it's not left, it's
not right, it's forward right, it's very progressive. And he
Andrew Yang is totally a technocrat. And then up right
after that, he comes out and says that he consulted
with Curtis Jarvin on creating this new American Party. I
don't know what Jarvin knows about starting a new party,

(01:07:55):
but or Americanism, because he seems to be very fundamental
opposed everything that is American, like the Constitutional Republic. So
but yeah, he's so he has you know, gotten the
support at Garnered's support of these two. And then you
look at this Operation Phoenix movement, which is it's a

(01:08:16):
Christopher Life the United Independence who's tied in with Brock Peers. Uh,
they are doing this Operation Phoenix to flood Congress in
twenty twenty six with quote unquote independence. But when they
talk about their platforms, they want like you know, blockchain voting.
They want things like a UBI, which, by the way,

(01:08:36):
is not going to be UBI. When you think of UBI,
it's universal basic income, right, well, this is really going
to be CBI. It's going to be conditionally based income.
Because you think they're just going to give you willing nilly,
like to go send on whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
No, it's all if you're not submissive enough courting exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Yeah, matter about down.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
To Uncle Sam.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yeah, either that or we're gonna be like pedaling on
our bikes for crypto mining like a Black Mirror episode.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah, or we'll have to like pay to not be
on only fans.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Right, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't that like an episode. It
was very similar. It wasn't. Yeah. Oh jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Well, thinking of that, you talk a lot about tokenization,
and that's kind of what those episodes are about. Like
you don't own anything, you don't work for anything. Everything
is in stored in the digital world, which means it
doesn't exist, right in one way, Yeah, right, yeah, it

(01:09:42):
doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
It's it's so at the best way if people can,
like the best analogy that I think people can really
relate to right now is think about the stock market.
I'm not saying and invest you know it's someone I'm saying.
But when you look at your portfolio, people think they
own that money, but they don't. It's a digital ledger.
Now you can get a physical certificate. If you get

(01:10:04):
that certificate, you own it, and then they have to
honor that. That's a lot of people don't know that,
and a lot of bankers don't love if you ask it,
ask for because it's you know, extra work for them,
and you know, it takes away from their ownership actually,
and it also makes it a little bit more time
consuming in terms of if they want to just trade
positions for you. So if you have somebody who's like

(01:10:26):
managing and moving things around, they'd have to then consult
you and get the transaction first, so you can I'm
just letting people know that that's something people can do.
But typically you just have a digital ledger and you
don't really own it. And that's what tokens are. It's
just a digital representation. But they're taking they're seizing all

(01:10:47):
the assets. And I'm very concerned about this because they're
moving everything into their setting up the infrastructure with this
big beautiful bill that's really doesn't look so beautiful. May
be very big, but I think Elanda get that part right,
although you know, everything else looks like it might be
more theater than not. But I agree it's it's not

(01:11:08):
so beautiful. And then he passed this Genius Act and
now he's rolling out there working on the Clarity Act
and the Stable Act. This is all setting up the
infrastructure for digital currency that will lead to potentially tokenization.
I mean, I think tokenization is where they want to go.
So it's all about setting up that whole infrastructure though,

(01:11:28):
and this is people think pan currency is bad. What
happens when like you literally own nothing? And then what
happens when they start transitioning into this and people are
in debt, right, and so they can offer you some
sort of a deal. Well, we'll give you, you know,
twice what your mortgage is and hay you off in tokens,

(01:11:49):
But then you won't you don't own your home. When
people pay a mortgage, they do it because they think
they're they're working towards some ownership. You know, we can
argue about how much they really own.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Ye in your hand that you can touch.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Right, Yeah, I mean like unless you have a land patent,
like you you pay taxes on your home and so
technically you still rent it, but you have more ownership
than you would otherwise because you do have a deed
right you have that paper, that title. Uh. But if
they tokenize and then they seize the assets, then it's
literally you own nothing and be happy. I don't know

(01:12:22):
about the happy part unless we're all drugged into a
loving our servitude in Huxley's Brave New World. But other
than that, I'm not so sure about that part.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
So this is the process of converting all of our
assets into well not only that, our rights and you say,
our identities into digital token So.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Classic conspiracy time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Is your birth certificated? Is your like certificate of ownership
of the British Crown or something that you like? You
for that, Like, we all have money invested in our name,
and if you only knew how, then you can go
get millions of dollars that they've invested.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
I keep. I actually know people who bought cars with
that really like yeah, like they've actually are based on
their quote unquote worth, they've liketated it back from.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah, I admire that I don't have enough for bureaucracy
like that, but yeah, you're dude, go for it. But okay,
so yeah, this is basically you are owned or your
straw man is owned by the British twin maritime Admiral. Right,
and so that's why your name in all caps is

(01:13:31):
not you, right, and you have to have somebody speak
for you in court because they know the law, the
language of the law, blah blah blah. So now in
the digital era, your whole identity now is going to
be online and digitized, right, yeah, and so you won't

(01:13:55):
be allowed access to certain things if you're a bad
boy or girl.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Yes, so game bee really does like spell it out,
and of course they're much more like they present it
all as it's going to be so great and we're
escaping the malacchean system of game A and we're moving
into you know, the anti rivalrous and anti fragile omni
win win game B. But they talk about the technologies,

(01:14:23):
and the technologies are these emerging technologies of web three
and holms, hollow chains and color chains. Is actually so
the buzzwords are like decentralized, which is totally just a
scam that is not decentralized. Even Belaji Shron of Austin
says that it is decentralized towards a recentralized center. He

(01:14:43):
literally says that in his book. So he tells you upfront,
this is not decentralized, it's recentralized. It's like hd Worl's
World Brain, right, the ganglia of all the information institutions
is going to be the conduit to create the world brain.
And I would say to people today, what is the
information institutions today? It's the technology. It's the Internet, right,

(01:15:04):
and that's the conduit to create the no sphere. So,
but they use these terms like decentralized. They create doos,
which are decentralized autonomous organizations and uh, they're a gameb
actuality has one. Uh. But again it's really through these
hollow hollow chains you have. This blockchain is already not

(01:15:24):
really that secure because it's transparent. That's what they toubt
about it. It's like it's transparent. But if it's transparent,
that means it's not private, right you can't. So, but
hollow hollow chains are now it's they they say it's
completely interoperable. So their their big complaint with the system
game A is that you have all these echo chambers,

(01:15:45):
these silos. So let's just take some social media platforms
for instance, like you can't really take your profile from Twitter,
uh to TikTok, Like when you're in one, you're in
that world and then when you're in the other, you're
in the other. Right. But the way that they're creating
this infrastructure for the HOLLO teen is essentially like a
digital twin you would have that would be able to

(01:16:06):
go from one to the other, and you don't like
that profile completely goes in you know, can weave in
and out of all of these so it's completely interoperable. Which, yeah,
this means that there's no digital sovereignty in that, and
there's no decentralization in that. That's like completely centralized.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
And I've seen them grooming the children to accept this
and actually want it through video games. So the most
popular video games, I don't know if you knew this
are the I think they're called open world games basically
where you can build your own world like Minecraft or
rule or whatever, something that you can have that is

(01:16:50):
your own creation online and it keeps you from making
things in the real world and it's preparing you to
live all of your life online and put all of
your resources and attention to building something in the digital

(01:17:12):
world that doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
Yes, right, yeah, yeah, very concerning that they are conditioning
the young kids.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yeah, because I think Minecraft's one of the biggest games
there is ever was I think in the Minecraft movie
was huge. And all you do is just take blocks
very masonic, right, yeah, cubes and you create worlds. So
you are like a little you know, architect Demio in Minecraft. Yeah, essentially,

(01:17:48):
and speaking of you know, narcissism and secret societies and stuff.
So to wrap this up, let's talk about the phoenix,
because that is the huge symbol, esoteric symbol of your
whole article. And you were saying that they use this verbiage,
you know, burning the phoenix and out of the ashes. Uh.

(01:18:09):
This is what we have been been talking about for
a long time, parking back to you know, Manley P.
Hall's Secret Destiny of America. This is it. This is
the plan, the great work that they have been talking about.
So this is the alchemical transformation, It's the great reset,

(01:18:31):
you know, it's the the Phoenix hard reboot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Mm hmm right, yeah, that's what it looks like that's
the you know, all these slogans, right, We've got a
build back better, but we have to tear it down first.
We have to uh yeah, rise up from the ashes.
The I think I put the picture of the United
Independence right, it's independence rising above the ashes of the

(01:18:58):
failing system. There's a pre phoenix in there. And of
course they're like, are you tired of watching the old
political dynasty divisions, you know, tear our country apart. It's
all about like the two party system and we need
to move into the trans political, transpartisan movements. But yeah,
they so this is but the people who are doing

(01:19:21):
this are the people who are doing Operation Phoenix to
try and flood Congress in twenty six. And actually at
that one, I can't get it because it's behind paywall
now and I got that screenshot from the way back,
but I still can't get any video. But Brett Einstein
did do the keynote speech at seven o'clock, and I've

(01:19:44):
seen some murmurs saying that it was the title was
something like self Governance and Phoenix and the Republic. I
don't know because I can't get access, but it would
kind of make sense if he did that a year
before he then goes to rescue the Republic and says,
we have to phoenix the Republic. But sure what that
s feature was about?

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
But and yeah, you mentioned CI's Phoenix program. So that
was in Vietnam, right, that was the whole uh Phoenix program.
That didn't like some serial.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Killers come out of that too, I think so. But
it was really like a whole mind control program. And
you know, the whole slogan was that they had to
burn down the West to rebuild it. And that's where
they got that the you know, it wasn't like an
official slogan, but the idea they have to burn the
village to rebuild the village. Oh in Vietnam, Yeah, Vietnam,

(01:20:36):
and they tortured them, right. It was really like trauma
based mind control.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
And the Operation Phoenix. The new one that you've been
talking about, that is the Congress like trying to get
all of these people in Congress in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Six, trying to flood Congress in twenty twenty six with
quote unquote independence, but I think they're technical, they're technograph yeah,
independent peagraphs.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Okay, So but before they do all of this, the
terrible West must fall, and they must get us on board, thinking, yes,
the terrible West must fall. And I remember we've talked
about this before, but like the demoralization of the American people.

(01:21:19):
One of the big things in the nineties was Monica
Lewinsky and Bill Clinton because before that, you know, presidents
they had decorum, right if there was a scandal, that
would never get out, Like I'm sure presidents were doing
wacky like look at Benjamin Franklin in Hellfire Club, Like
nobody knew about that. But Monica Lewinsky was all over

(01:21:41):
the media because I think that they had to start
implementing this idea that you know, the West is corrupt
and that it's perverted and even their leaders, all of
them from the top down, Death to America rhetoric, and
now it was seeping into Americans and they're falling for
things like uh, we love tiny Mustache Man was based

(01:22:04):
and just like all of this crazy propaganda. And so
it's like the demoralization of us as a culture. And
then they've got us divided racially, generally, religiously, agely, right
like yeah, Boomers against gen Z or whatever. It's like

(01:22:26):
anything that is an immutiful uh, part of who you are.
They're going to pick that apart and set you over
and against somebody who's different from you, right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Yep, exactly. And then speaking of like, you know, the
just complete debasement of the culture I talked to in here,
I have my Mark Gaffney. Now, Mark Gaffney is the
guru to Aubrey Marcus and they're doing their aeros mystery
schools together. Uh we can talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Okay, that just rang about because he was the one
who was talking about like radical non monogamy or some jazradical.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
It's radical monogamy. Uh. Gaffney calls it expand Dave monogamy
and is the most sacred of all kinds. This is
the most sacred kinds of monogamy. It is really just
a rebrand of polyamory. But it is being horny, you guys,
it's not special. You can't have to like make up
all of these.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Cults to go along with your wieners.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Well, yeah, it is polyamory. I mean I actually watched
a little of the you know, like the video that
they did, and Mark Gaffney is his guru who's guiding
him through all of this, and for me, I just
felt awful for the wife, like because she's crip. Yeah,
not my place to do. But it looks like someone
who has a lot of real trauma and they're just

(01:23:47):
exploiting it. Yeah, like they're just totally exploiting her, Like
I really felt for her, Like this is terrible, this
is awful. And of course he do you have.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
To be to go along with something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Yeah exactly. It's I mean, it's really really low. And
he keeps saying, oh, like they want to do this.
It has nothing to do with like me supporting them,
like financially supporting them, Like okay, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Just like uh Elmo's baby Mamas.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Yeah exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
So what we're seeing is this calculated immolation, burning by
fire of the American constitutional Republic to make way for
the birth of a techno feudal empire. And you say
that our choice is between human freedom versus algorithmic control.
And I just did a three hour show with Ruckus

(01:24:43):
all about this algorithmic control and how this is like
the new Tower of Babel and it's making us all
speak a different language because we don't see the same
front page of news anymore. It's all tailored to our
individual vices.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Yes, so I did, and it's really long. I am
going to work on putting it into like a book
format to sell it as a book. But it's called
the Algorithmic Oracle, and I started putting it into like
a thing that formats it. It says it's one hundred
and twenty pages as a book, so it is really long.
But it's based on how My whole thesis is that

(01:25:22):
the Delphi method was born out of sensitivity training. It
was like the mechanistic variation of sensitivity training, which sensitivity
training you know Kurt Lewin's like formula essentially, but in
the National Training Laboratory's manual in nineteen forty seven they
admitted that it's brainwashing, and then the CIA in nineteen
seventy four again admitted its brainwashing. But then we got

(01:25:45):
the Delphi method out of the Rand Corporation, you know,
under the auspices that we needed something to forecast the
efficacy of technology in wartime. And the whole premise behind
it is that now with cybernetic algorithm, they you know,
combined both the sensitivity training and Delphi method techniques UH

(01:26:07):
to program these cybernetic algorithms that are you know, feedback
loops that are data mining you and then programming you
in these various siloss disturbing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
They're sorting you into your sim category, right, or you
can live online now Just to uh epilogue here, people
are just uh. America is a Christian country. It has
always been that way. Was founded on Christian principles dot
dot dot Yes and no, I want you to go

(01:26:40):
watch the manly p Hall shows where they talk about
they were free Masonic Enlightenment Christian mystics. Right, So this
isn't the Christianity of Nana. This is way weirder. Lots
of Quaker cults, Amish cults, just break away preachers and revivalists.

(01:27:06):
This is the birth of America. Is Christian flavored?

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yes, I would say it was a mixed I mean
there were Christians, but there were also It was mixed.
That's why it was about freedom of religion. And people
seem to think that means freedom from religion. No, it's
freedom of religion. I may not like what you believe,
you have a right to believe it. So yeah, so
that's where we're at.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
And next time I got Courtney, we're going to talk
about crazy Epsteine and space babies and Bill Gates and
clones and we're going out of this world for sure.
Lots more weird stuff and the title American Shariah is
going to make a lot more sense. So tell us
what exciting things you have coming up and where to

(01:27:53):
find your Phoenix article that we were just talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Yeah, so yeah, I have a couple of more articles
and some book projects in the works, and you can
find all those articles at Courtney Turner dot substack dot com.
I swell my name like court toiney. It is Courtney,
but it's a ce ou r t e n a
y t u r n e r And you can
also find me at Courtney Turner dot com. That's where

(01:28:18):
all my podcasts are. And uh yeah, all the various
ways you can support me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
Okay for having me, You're welcome. You were lovely and
brilliant as usual, and we will see you next time
with space babies. Yeah, and everyone, have a good night.

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