Pt 1 Mamdani: America Turns Socialist, Peterson/Rubin Disaster! Perennialism, OSS Propaganda, Atheism

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Actual, real, authentic signs and wonders. It's all.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Emotionalism, sensationalism, frauds, corn artistry. I mean, people should watch
the mar Joe documentary. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
You do?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Yes, I've seen that. You've talked about it on a
stream of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I mean your friend needs to understand that stuff first. So,
I mean, but preless is defined as spiritual illusion, deception,
and illusion, according to the Fathers of the Church, is
a false spiritual state that leads to the wounding of
nature by falsehood as man's assimilation of falsehood as true.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
According to Saint Ignatius.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Brown, counting of the concept, preless is not the same
thing as mental illness, is rather a spiritual Yeah, go ahead,
all right, good, great question though, who's next, Jay?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I have a question?

Speaker 5 (00:52):
Yeah, So this is related to your show with Alex Jones,
when you were talking about like THEO and specifically talking
about like how the church like when whoever it was
he said, like, the churches will solve the social justice.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Movement changing image as a man. No, they say they
would solve it. It was saying that it said that
they were already basically mouthpieces of social justice.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, And then we were I was
talking with my co worker about this, but like, how
like JFK was like pushing for these social justice reforms
and kind of my question was like to him, like
do you think if he wasn't assassinated.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Like the social justice stuff was going to be pushed.

Speaker 7 (01:35):
He said the assassination of JFK allowed for the social
justice stuff to be to be completed, because he said,
if he was not assassinated, he didn't think that the
social justice was going to be you know, like the
civil rights was going to be completed.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
That's actually really that's a that's a very perceptive analysis
because if you go to de League Plaza and you
look at the iconography and the symbology that's at Deally Plaza,
it's erected as if he's a martyr, and it's almost
it's quasi religious. But when you look at what all
he's a Martyr two and Martyr four, it's all crafted

(02:12):
actually in the context of the Cold War, and that
he died as a fighter for democracy, freedom, justice. It's
basically liberty, equality, fraternity. So all the Masonic ideals that
are really the ultimate root of social justice socialism, Marxism,
et cetera. It's all the same stuff. I think you're
absolutely you're your buddy's absolutely right that and it's not

(02:35):
just him. MLK ended up being a martyr for the
cause of the civil Saints of American social justice.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Absolutely, so I guess like, and then do you think
that Charlie Kirk was also kind of like similar to
that as of resin.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's that one's interesting because I think it's a little
different in that he really kind of stands in ways
against uh.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
The the ethos.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Of the s j W stuff, but there is an
element to which he does kind of be also he
is kind of being pigeonholed into being a martyr for americanism,
and so that might also be m h Is it
is it actually muted? Are you guys behind in the
in the I'm asking the YouTube chat?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Is it muted?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
And by the way, cross your fingers, guys, because.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
There was an iOS.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Update and we're gonna hope that the choppy audio is
gone because every time, all right, every time we do
a lot of streams, can somebody mute that's a loud?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Who's next? Can somebody mute there? Who's next? Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Also, Sam Simune doesn't want to debate anybody. All he
wants to do is talk smack. That's always ever done.
It's it's a waste of time to try to there's
no point interacting with scam shamou what's up?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Who's next? Discord? Here you go.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yes, it's not a it's a This is a really
expensive microphone. I actually bought a really expensive microphone because
of the choppy audio issues before I realized it was
an iOS issue.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
And by the way, I reached out to.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Stream Labs and created a ticket and they replied and said, actually,
the issue is on the side of Mac operating system compatibility,
so cross your fingers. But maybe the iOS update fixed
the issue. Anyway, let's move on. Who wants to talk next?

(04:53):
Welcome everybody. We're doing discord Q and A. Yes, we
have a thirteen almost thirty thousand people discord.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
What's up?

Speaker 8 (05:08):
Reading about the CIA's history and drug trafficking, and I'm
finding that the French intelligence services were deep into it
in the South East.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Well yeah, then in fact the OSS took over the
old French drug lanes. When the OSS took over that
black market, yeah.

Speaker 8 (05:26):
My question is I mean do you know what the
French was spending all that money on? Because there were
fundraising for something I'm assuming, do you know where that
money went and how much?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
That's a really good question.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
In fact, I actually want, and I wanted for a
few years ago, to do a deep dive on the
history of French intelligence. I've only found one book on
that now. Granted there's like Dope Ink and all those
kinds of books that will touch on it, and I
have McCoy's book on the politics of Heroin and all that,
but somebody needs to recommend, and we have the smartest
audience on the Internet by far, some they needs to

(05:59):
recommend the best book on the deep dive into French
intelligence where this black budget money was going.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
What black ops? I mean, I know a lot of
it had to do with like Cold War stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
But it is interesting speaking of tiny Mustache Man and
World War two stuff because we recently, Jamie and I
went back and watched several noir films and I didn't
realize until recently that so many of these nineteen forties

(06:37):
films were over World War two propaganda. And so, for example,
in Reunion in France, which is Joan Crawford and John Wayne.
The whole film is about the French resistance networks against.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Tiny Mustache Man.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
And I could not find any information on this film
itself being kind of made in consultation with the Apartment
of War or whatever.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
But it has to be like these, these films have
to be.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
And I wrote a whole chapter in Esoterically with three
about the circles around. I think her name is mike
Hella McInnis, and she was the British intelligence screenwriter throughout
this period. She wrote tons and tons of films for
Allied propaganda to get Americans convinced of the necessity to join
in the war.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
What's up man, what's up? Brunello? What's up? Your MIC's open?
Who's next? Good point? Though?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
A quick question, A quick question day.

Speaker 9 (07:43):
I wanted to find out your thoughts on the Catholic
Church walking back their position on Mary's coverdemtric.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, I'm glad that you brought that up, because everybody
asked about this.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I think it actually has to be for ecumenist reasons.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's really just, I think an appeal to Orthodox and
Catholic and Protestant objections over the years and a lot
of people on acts.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
For oh, this is so great for we're working towards reunion.
And I mean, these people have are so naive.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
They have no idea about the real motivations of why
the Vatican wants for geopolitical reasons, the reunification of the
ep with with Rome and so forth. It has nothing
to do with theology. That they don't care about correct theology.
That's why they do everything in terms of bureaucratic double speak.
That's why they'll throw a bone to the trads and

(08:34):
the next week he's open borders and gay stuff.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
So it's like, you.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Know, obvious double speak if you ask me. But it
is also interesting if you look at the GAD document,
look at the Alexandria document, look at this recent statement.
I mean it's vindications. I mean on the basic level,
it's vindicating our critiques, but the motivations are humanism.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Hell, it was up.

Speaker 6 (09:01):
So I just want to make a quick apology.

Speaker 10 (09:04):
Recently, you made to post the next about Rubele the
Tarkowski's movie, and I made a joke and I said,
I little just spoke about this my trend your afect, dude.

Speaker 6 (09:14):
It wasn't meant to be offensive or an accusation.

Speaker 10 (09:17):
I just literally talked about that movie like five minutes
before you posted it, so I thought it was funny,
and I saw that.

Speaker 6 (09:23):
The joke wasn't perceived. I'm sorry. It wasn't meant to
be an accusation or anything.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's okay, man, I get I get so much hate
and opposition, just non stop all day long, from inside
and outside the church. Not that I care. It's like
all it does is make me like work harder and
do more live streams. But I just default to like,
you know what, if you don't like it, middle fingers
to you, so there we go.

Speaker 10 (09:49):
Yeah, I'm sorry, Like it's right, So if you could
unlock me, I followed you recounted for over a year now,
and yeah, I'm really sorry.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
Who are you? Who?

Speaker 6 (10:04):
Ok like okay?

Speaker 4 (10:06):
And and too are okay?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Nator? Yes, spell it out for me.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
Oh I start over.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
I can't hear you. Oh what?

Speaker 6 (10:24):
Oh okay?

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
And in a T in a T o R.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah doub l R yeah double R like r R Okay,
I got you, bro, you're on blocked.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's all good.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Thanks, I'm sorry, it's all good.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I love you too, man, appreciate that, say, uh we uh,
we are easily reconcilable over here.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
So we get so many haters, man.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
And it's weird because a lot of stuff has picked up,
uh in the last week, because I've commented quite a
bit on.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
The four years.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
As everybody knows, the four us intended to trigger trigger you.
So I'm just like, all right, I'll let it trigger me,
and I'll just start talking smack as everyone does on
Twitter to all of these big Protestant Evangelical Zionist profiles.
So I've invited many of them to come in the
next hour, which will be the X Space, So we'll
transition from discord over to open space on X. But

(11:31):
don't hold your breath because none of these Christian Zionists
or people ever show up. It's it's a Protestant wonderland.
It's a it's a winter wonderland of what's upthing.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I just wanted to see that.

Speaker 10 (11:45):
I was recently in mont and it's viewers and James
name for praying he and.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
You as well.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, someone sent me a video and by the way,
I'm speaking to the monks on Mount Athos so right
now through my banana phone and it turns out that
they actually some of the monks were using my lectures
and talks for instructional stuff on Mount Athos. And yes,
it's true they sent me. I was skeptical, but they
sent me videos. So I'm very honored and very humbled

(12:20):
by that. I wouldn't have expected that to be the case.
But that's really cool.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Who's next? What's up? I was calling Matt Dolla hunting,
Matt del Monkey. You climbed up in that tree, Matt
del Monkey. Who's next? On the floor growth, Who's next?

Speaker 6 (12:49):
Yes, it's I was talking. I'm just going to say as.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
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Speaker 1 (12:53):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
And I actually to one of the professors. So like you,
father Deacon Anis.

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And doctor the Bole Brown signed up to dating Bridshaw Like,
I can't rely on you guys patistic interpretations because I
hear it really crazy.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
Okay stuff here.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, those guys are the best, and I'm sorry you're
having to hear crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
All right. Next question, who's next?

Speaker 11 (13:18):
Jake?

Speaker 12 (13:19):
Can you ask your question?

Speaker 2 (13:21):
You you just asked me a question. No, you said, Jake,
and I asked you a question. That's asking you a
question I'm making a joke. Bro, chill out. I'm you
don't apologize. I'm just making jokes.

Speaker 13 (13:36):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
I'm gonna call you on the banana phone. Well hold up,
hang up, and let me call you on the banana
phone because Matt. Hold on, Matt, double monkey is calling in.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
What's up, Matt?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
No, I'm not gonna like girls with PEPs. Sorry, we're
out of here. Okay, go back, what's up?

Speaker 14 (13:53):
All right?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
My question is what do you think Aboutregory?

Speaker 2 (14:00):
My history advisor was one up to world authorities, literally
on rasputant. He was an insane person, not resputant. My
adviser was more insane than resputing. He would try to
sleep with the dudes at undergrad. So I have no
idea what to think, and I can't believe him because

(14:23):
he's he was an absolute lunatic.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
I have a I have a.

Speaker 12 (14:30):
Thought fac called archive basically right about him and what
you know, his contemporaries and even resent the elders thoughts, so.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
And what what was? What is? What is your assessment
of it? Overall?

Speaker 12 (14:44):
My assessment is that he was basically a holy man
of God, and that like this bar and his family,
he was slandered by the people at the time.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember what my my crazy history
adviser thought. I can't remember what his take was. I
think he thought that your your position was more correct
than the other position. But I didn't listen to him
because he was he was more insane than than than
the accusations about resputing. So, I mean, anybody trying to

(15:15):
get in my butt, if anybody is gaut out the way,
if you try to get my butt, I'm not listening
to you.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Like you're already canceled, you're out of here. But thank
you for that. Everybody. Check out his resputant substack. Who's next?
Good question.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I'm taking my methylene blues dog what you think it is.
And by the way, I'm also taking my chalks. Tom
Catali here in the second what's up?

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Who's next? He j I had a question, Yes, sir,
so my father.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
He's a dispensationalist.

Speaker 13 (15:50):
He doesn't really believe in like the whole idea of
like we need to, you know, give money to the
modernday Israel, but he doesn't believe that that Israel doesn't
have the stay of Israel does have a.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Role to play in the uh, you know, and then does.

Speaker 13 (16:05):
Here you know the final you know, years where Christ
can be gone all that.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
So, well, if you read Romans eleven before hold on,
before you go on, If you read Romans eleven, it's
very clear that there's one tree that Gentiles and Jews
are grafted in or out of.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
There's not two trees. And I think, you know, people just.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
There's ambiguity when you just say stuff like not you,
but like when people say, oh, I'm a dispensationalist, but
or this or that, like the very specific heresies are
a killyism that the Kingdom of God is some temporal,
thousand year thing.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Jesus began the reign in the Kingdom when he ascended,
and the New Testament makes that abundantly clear all the
times that it cites some one ten about the ascension
and almost all of the This is actually when I
was a Protestant evangelical back in my early twenties, right,
I believed the rapture nonsense stuff too, because I thought

(17:02):
it was what the Bible taught. I just grabbed a
prophecy study Bible, and I thought, this is what the
Bible says, and the thing that broke me out of that.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I mean, I read a lot of unmillennial books.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I read all those classic texts about that, but and
post millennial stuff too. But the thing that actually convinced
me was, like, all I had to do was go
through the New Testament passages.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Where Psalm one ten is quoted, and once.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I noticed, and once I saw that it's all about
the ascension, then that means the Kingdom of God began.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Then it's the church.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
It is not a future judaic judaized heresy of Jesus
comes back and sets up a temple with animal sacrifice.
Is that so contrary to the Book of Hebrews. It's
kind of amazing that anyone would believe it.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
But go ahead about your dad.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, so so interesting.

Speaker 13 (17:57):
So what you just said, when would you say the
Kingdom of God's started in Pentecost?

Speaker 2 (18:02):
I mean Jesus says in Luke that Jesus says in Luke,
the Kingdom of God is within you. It doesn't come
with open signs because it is a spiritual reality. That
is the first advent, that is the death row, resurrection,
and the ascension and pentagons. So all of those things
are the Kingdom because as Matthew sixteen says, I will
give you Peter the keys of the Kingdom. The kingdom

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is the Church. So the apostles and the bishops are
the princes of the new Israel. That's why Jesus says
to them and the Gospels, you apostles will sit on
twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. He's talking
about the Church. He's not talking about flesh Israel.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
That's why Galatians.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Four says, the real Jerusalem is the Jerusalem above, which
is the heavenly Jerusalem, which is the Mother of us all.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Which is mother Church.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
So it has nothing to do with flesh Israel except
that at the end of the world, at some point
the Jews will convert. We don't know how we when,
But that means that become Orthodox. It doesn't mean they
convert to Judaism or something ridiculous like that.

Speaker 10 (19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (19:08):
So the main thing that I was gonna talk about
is he is like doing like a deep dive into
like revelation with some like dispensationalist like pastor like online.
And the thing that he's saying is I brought up,
you know, in Revelation of the letters to set of letters,
and I've brought up that, like these were letters to
real churches in Asian.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
Mind, and he says, this is about to happen. He says,
this is about to occur.

Speaker 13 (19:30):
Exactly, yeah, yeah, and like in all when when John
is writing or just like on the letters, like it's
it's very like this is going to happen in media,
like I'm going to remove your lampstead now, right, like
in the Greek it's like it's like a immediate like
now type thing, not like in a you know, two
thousand years or three thou you know, not in.

Speaker 6 (19:48):
Like the large, large feature.

Speaker 13 (19:50):
So I brought this stuff up to him and he's
basically just said, it's kind of like stupid, but it's
so dumb, I don't really know how to refute it.
So like, uh, he's basically said, oh, well, it's revelation.
So because because it is like revelation and you know,
prophecy and all this stuff that we can look into
the future. And basically that the letters were the original

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people that got it, they didn't actually understand the fullness
of the letters, right, so like it has a meaning
to them at that point in time.

Speaker 6 (20:18):
But it also has a meaning to like in the
grand scope.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Of you know, well, yeah, but we could agree with that.
That doesn't have anything to do with whether or not
they knew to be be weary of what was happening
in their own day. I mean, if you just look
at Luke twenty one, it's abundantly clear that Jesus is
talking about a contemporary event. Luke twenty one is probably
the best proof for partial preterism because it says that

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the people that are standing there in front of Jesus
in Luke twenty one to five, you will see these
things happen, and you will see not one stone upon
another stone. So it can be both. But if it's both,
and then something had to happen in that first generation,
that is some kind of reference point. Well, turns out

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all the church fathers in the East are very explicit
the main ones that it's talking about seventy eight. I mean,
the Orthodox Church fathers in the East are partial preterists explicitly.
Just read Chris Sustum on Matthew twenty four. So I
guess for us this is all pretty obvious.

Speaker 14 (21:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (21:26):
Like the thing that he's thinks specifically though, is that
like the people who received the who like read Revelation
in the first like, you know, two hundred and three
hundred years when it was being read, they didn't actually
understand the fullness of what was going on.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
So well, that doesn't Again, that still doesn't that doesn't
mean that they didn't take warning from it. I mean people,
you could say the same thing about Luke twenty one.
The first century church might not have understood everything about
Luke twenty one, but they could have understood, Hey, I
hope this doesn't happen on the Sabbath because we're gonna
have to flee to Petra.

Speaker 13 (22:00):
Yeah, so I guess how would you like repeat the
idea that like the each church is like a specific
like age, because like that's what he's saying, is like,
oh well that church age.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, where does he get that where it's like, oh well.

Speaker 13 (22:15):
He's like, oh well, like look at like all these
like things that are coming together, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's is of Jesus. There's nothing in the passages of exactly.

Speaker 13 (22:22):
And that's what he's Yeah, he's basically saying that Isa
Jesus is like fine, And that's the part that I'm like,
this is retarded like.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Well, if that's fine, then you can Yeah, then you
can bring your own is of Jesus to the passage
inside the opposite Yeah.

Speaker 13 (22:33):
Okay, so I guess like that's kind of where it
like comes to. I was just wondering if you had
any thoughts on that. But I mean, yeah, like him
next because it's just kind of stupid, like.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
It is done. But okay, okay, so also we'll move
on to the next guy. I think of that.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
They also, I mean, this really does damage to the
witness of the New Testament when we have this attitude,
because if Luke twenty one and Matthew twenty four for
our prophecies up.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Seventy a d. Which is what we believe, isn't that
an amazing vindication of Jesus's prophetic warnings and judgments against Israel, right,
because it's fulfilled forty years later from when he said
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
If the dispensational position is true, none of this applies
to seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
It's all at the end of the world. But why
are the New.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Testament writers telling the first century church that be ready
for these things? These things are coming quickly. So it
makes our witness look retarded. It destroys one of the
strongest proofs of New Testament inspiration that Jesus predicted to
seventy eight as the fulfillment of the Covenant sanctions, the
penal sanctions against Israel for her unfaithfulness. The greatest example

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of their unfaithfulness wasn't just persecuting Zechariah and the prophets
like Isaiah. It was the crucifixion of the Son of
God that was the greatest culmination of Israeli Old Testament
israel apostasy. So that's why Jesus says in Matthew twenty three,
all the things written in the prophets, all those judgments
will come upon this generation. And what are some of

(24:06):
those judgments like in Hosea and Jeremiah three, I will
divorce Israel? When was Israel divorced? When the Covenant sanctions
and the Bill of Divorce and the Covenant curses were
poured out upon unfaithful whoor Israel? The book Revelation tells
you that the whore is the city where Jesus crucified.

Speaker 15 (24:27):
Oh the wonder, which one to do?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Right?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Who's next?

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Next question? Who's next? Discord? Come on, what's up, y'all? Discord.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Who's up, Hey, jah, I got another question?

Speaker 16 (24:47):
Sure, go ahead, So CYD a cool question about freemasonry
and why the Russian Orthodox Church is sort of and it.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
I don't really know much about the origins of freemasonry.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean it teaches, uh, every possible it's a combination
of all the heresies. So the Orthodox Church and the
Roman Callitary Church classically traditionally have banned it. I mean
it's an atheistic, socialistic, judaic heresy to be involved in
a secret society that teaches gnosticism, perennialism, neoplatonism, I mean

(25:18):
Albert Pike's morals and dogma. The Bible of Freemasonry has
an entire chapter saying that Christianity should be origins Neoplatonism
and arianism.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
That's the real Christianity. So that's all you need to
know right there. They also have rituals.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
The classic ritual Scottish Ripe Freemasonry is a ritual that
includes the destruction of throne and altar. That means destroying
the power of church and state in both the Orthodox
and Catholic sense. That's why both Catholicism had several encyclicals
for decades. For centuries against Freemasonry, the Orthodox Church had
the exact same position as the traditional Romancolic position.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
Ah okay, thanks, yeah, great question.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
And the aj in the New Testament, when the Jewish
people are saying, of Jesus, let his blood be upon us,
and I guess our corontiny basically, are you know our
future generations? What exactly were they trying to say? Were
they just saying, we don't care what the consequences are,
give us Jesus' blood, he let us crucify him. Is
that what they were saying, or were they actually prying?

(26:23):
Were they kind of invoking to furt of, you know,
put your hurts upon the filter where they didn't careful.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think the people there.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
That generation, that group was so committed to give us
barabbas that they were willing to say these sorts of
extreme things.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I don't know that that means, I mean, obviously.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Doesn't literally mean that every Jewish person after that generation
is quote cursed, because many Jews throughout those generations, and
even in that generation we're still forgiven because remember after this,
Jesus says, Lord forgive them, they know not what they do.
And then you have thousands of Jews converting in the
Book of Acts within the first ten chapters, So you
can't have this sort of weird Christian identity, you know,

(27:02):
sort of, Oh, it's literally every Jew that's now cursed,
because everybody can repent and be grafted in. So but
I do think that it's it is a statement of
the extreme view of the people gathered there, that they
were willing to say something that that extreme. Now, notice
that when the two witnesses are killed, which is at

(27:22):
this giant horse city. Throughout the Book of Revelation, there's
a there's a clue as to what city this is,
and it's it's also stated later on the city that
is called spiritually Sodom in Egypt, where throughout the Bible
is a city called spiritual Sodom in Egypt. Oh, Israel, Jerusalem.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
And guess what.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
John makes it very abundantly clear in verse eight that
it's the city where Jesus was crucified. That tells you
this is not Rome. Like Protestants and evangelical Gubril.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
The Bible says that the andy krass will up the
seed in Rome. It says the city where Jesus cratified.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 15 (28:06):
Who's next, what was coming from bye bye bye book?
But book Jesus was not the Messiah? Did you know
that Jesus was not the messile?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Did you guys read John Hagen's book Jesus was Not
the Messiah? In Defense of Blood Moon pas hold on?

Speaker 17 (28:33):
Was that to present my latest book, in Defense of Israel.
This book will expose the sins of the fathers and
the vicious abuse of the Jewish people. In Defense of
Israel will shape Christian theology.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
It scripturally proves that the Jewish people as a whole
did not project Jesus as Messiah.

Speaker 17 (28:50):
It will also prove that Jesus did not come to
earth to be the Messiah. It will prove that there
was a calvary conspiracy between Rome, the High Priest, and
Herod to Execus. You Jesus as an insurrectionist too dangerous
to live. Since Jesus refused, by word, indeed to claim
to be the Messiah, how can the Jews be blamed
for rejecting what was never offered?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
So total ridiculous nonsense from this absolute clown. What's up?

Speaker 16 (29:19):
Jay?

Speaker 6 (29:21):
I have a christ recording like the Jesus Chemino. What no,
the Jesus chemino.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Okay, so.

Speaker 16 (29:32):
How long do you think the project is going still last?

Speaker 6 (29:35):
With the growth of all the scholarship and the getting
together Second Temple literature, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
I didn't even know that people really kept up with
Jesus Seminar. I thought that was an already kind of
dying out thing. Oh because, okay, problem, Yeah, I'm sorry,
which I don't know. I just haven't kept up with it.
But I mean, I know that the Vatican is very
influenced by a lot of that stuff, so and I'm

(30:09):
sure plenty of people within the so called Orthodox world
are also very influenced by it.

Speaker 18 (30:14):
So I'm.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Anyway, good question though, Who's next? Last couple of questions
before we move over to X and we'll open up
the X space. I'm sure we're gonna get a lot
of quack Protestants because well, I don't know, they were
talking a lot of smack, but they never actually show up.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Who's next? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, I have another quick question.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
So is this fake Chase?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
You sound like little Chase, like fake Chase. There's Chase
and then you're fake Chase. Because I thought when you
started talking this is Chase.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
This is like child Chase. I'm just kidding, Bud, what's up.

Speaker 16 (30:49):
So I'm just curious if you know anything about Bill
Gothard and the Institute of basically Life Principles and that
whole cult.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, Jamie was affiliated with that when she was growing up,
So I mean, I know a little bit about it.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I'm not deeply studied on gathered stuff, but it is cult,
like it seems like, can you tell me more about it?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
What do I need to know?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I actually grew up in it and got out in tardy.

Speaker 16 (31:15):
Eighteen and it almost destroyed my family.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
It was terrible. Oh, tell me about it. Tell me
about it. What are we what are we looking at
here with this?

Speaker 3 (31:24):
A lot of it is it's definitely very sexist.

Speaker 16 (31:28):
Women are forced to, uh, They're constantly forced to dress modestly.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
That's one of the big things.

Speaker 16 (31:34):
They have to like they have to wear like a
lot of them will have to wear head coverings or
it'll have to wear like these really.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Long So you're saying prairie muff and stuff.

Speaker 16 (31:45):
Yes, exactly, So that there's a lot of very strict
regulation with that, and a lot of it is just
taking stuff they see in the Bible and then just
isogeating it.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
So like one of them is you know the rod
of correction, you know, spare the rod, spoil the child's
that and then just taking that to the very extreme
you can.

Speaker 16 (32:03):
It's like a lot of people will use that to
justify like child abuse, like physical abuse. There's a lot
of other stuff. A lot of it is deeply It's
the best way to put it is psychological.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
So it's like a it's like, is it like a
charismatic Pentecostal version of Baptists without the charismatic still I
know they don't have the charismatic set.

Speaker 16 (32:23):
Well, it's probably more Baptist because.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
It's no, no, you didn't let me finish. I know
it's not charismatic.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
I'm saying in the way that they view like you
got to wear skirts a certain length, women can't wear makeup.
That's a like a United Pentecostals have these kind of
external weird rules got forgot. For example, men are if
you go to like a charismatic Pentecostal a UPC Bible college,
guys have to wear long.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Sleeves, like they can't show their their muscles or whatever.

Speaker 16 (32:52):
Sort of But it's it's definitely a lot less strict
on men. That's that's for sure. But the main thing
is like they're all they all homeschool their kid. You're
not allowed to have public school your kids because they
believe it of the devil. You can't really celebrate most
major holidays because they have a way of spinning it
making it seem like it's of the devil. And they
have this weird idea called the Umbrella of Authority, which
I'm sure Jamie will know what I'm talking about, where

(33:15):
the idea is God is at the head of the umbrella,
and then the next person is like the father and
the home, and then the next person is the mother,
and then it's the children. And basically the idea is,
as long as you stay in that umbrella of authority
and do what those people say in that order, nothing
bad can happen to you as long as you do that.
So it's a way of like basically manipulating people into
falling in line with Gothard's teachings. And there's some documentaries

(33:38):
on it, such as Shiny Happy People.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
The main family that was involved.

Speaker 16 (33:43):
In that who kind of popularized it was the Duggar
family and a lot of them when they grew up
later on came out with testimonies and they made documentaries
about it.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
So very damaging cult for sure.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean a lot of times what you get
with these kind of independent fundamentalists type cults is everything
is this weird uh external legalism and everything is health
ar brimstone, very similar to like what you get with
Steven Anderson's cult.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
They're absolutely insane. They act like lunatics.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And I know people in the chat are like, well,
sounds based in trad It's this is not based in
trad This is like cult mentality.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I know exactly what this is like.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Growing up in the Bible Belt, we have all this
same stuff, even though we don't, you know, in the
in Tennessee, we didn't have a lot of this uh.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Gothard stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Tennessee has a lot of United Pentecostals that operate the
exact same way and a bunch of what are called
i f B churches or Independent Fundamentals Baptist churches, which
are all uh independent, disconnected i FB groups, and they're
all run by just absolutely insane, like chunky bearded Baptist dudes.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
They're they're they're crazy.

Speaker 16 (35:02):
They you know, based in trad. A couple of the
things they teach, they teach uh, like from.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
The time you're young. They have like slogans they use
to like drill this stuff into you. One of them
is absolute obedience.

Speaker 16 (35:13):
So you have to It's just it demands unquestioning, absolute
obedience to authority, and anything other than that is considered
like you're being a rebellious child and then you'll get abused.
And another thing they do is they teach parents that
they have to quote unquote break the will of their
children by threatening them, taking taking privileges away from them,

(35:33):
because the goal everything is to break the child's will
to ensure compliance.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And like it's very yeah I get I got you now, Yeah,
I mean people in the Yeah, it's military style and
uh slow boy, whiteboard gets it. It's this is if
B cults. So this is not based and trad. People
need to understand, well, no, no, it's a cult. And
there are plenty of if B cults. We have them

(35:58):
all over Tennessee. I visit it's these churches, so I
know it firsthand. Uh yeah, go ahead, And and here's
the problems that these I have B groups. They actually
just make people. They're they're they're atheist factories. They're just
as bad as clown church, Roman Catholicism and megachurch. They're

(36:18):
the opposite dialectical extreme of megachurches.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And it's all about rule worship and authority worship.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
That's it.

Speaker 16 (36:28):
Yeah, go ahead, Uh yeah, I was gonna say, uh,
that's their spot on about that, because it does produce
atheist factories, you know, because you look at the documentaries
and the people they're interviewing are like these crazy blue
haired liberals and you're like, you were in like.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
A Christian cult with that. It's because they swing really
hard the other way and then they're just like.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Everybody.

Speaker 16 (36:51):
They go to the opposite extreme because they don't think
there's anything else in Christianity that isn't just blind rules following.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
They don't understand grace and nderstand.

Speaker 16 (37:00):
You know, they certainly would reject orthodoxy anything that even
appears because of the head coverings. They would immediately just
you know, group it in and just kind of object
to that as well. And it's it's quite sad because
it sort of ruins the whole thing for them because
of that.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
We actually haven't covered a whole lot of i FB
type stuff because.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I mean it's just kind of sad. Really, I mean this,
I don't know what this is, but this this looks
kind of funny.

Speaker 16 (37:30):
Man.

Speaker 19 (37:31):
Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen, Amen Amen, y'all have already heard
that one.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Amen. Amen. He wasn't picking a band. You're somebody say amen?

Speaker 19 (37:43):
Hey amen Amen Amen, hike Man look up in here.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Preaching?

Speaker 19 (37:49):
Amen Amen Amen once say he amen, Hi Man, Babe
Hi heike Man rock t is everybody?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
This is a clip of an Independent Fundamentals Baptist goo
goof ball at the pot luck over here.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
They're always fat too? How come these guys are all
fat at learn learning? Say amen?

Speaker 3 (38:09):
The women are all I wonder why?

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Well?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
And the women are the women all look like the
prairie muffins. They look rough because you're not allowed to
wear makeup?

Speaker 10 (38:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah, all right, last question before we move on to Ax.
Who's next?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
Yeah, yeah, I had a question about him.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Right, I am. I I'm just messing with you. Go ahead.

Speaker 11 (38:40):
So you kind of the other day was listening to
your stream and you mentioned how Romans eleven Tom eventually
so kind of falls out the like past their attorneys
or whatever. Vatican wan, what is the Catholic position? Can
you gotta steal man? What they would say to get
around that verse where the Romans eleven st. Paul is
explicitly stating that they can be wrap.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
The only the only Catholic response I've heard of that
is they'll typically just say, oh, that's just Paul warning
individual Christians in Rome, not the Church of Rome.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Don't you think that's.

Speaker 20 (39:15):
Kind of cold considering the Book of Revelation of the
lamp stands.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, I mean, but I mean, what do you expect
Rome meccalloics to do but cope. So anyway, guys will
be over on X. Thank you so much, great question.
Appreciate that we're gonna move on on over here to
X and start our X space. We've already had, We've
already had Dylan Monkey on the banana phone.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
We've had y'all need to get your souls right.

Speaker 19 (39:38):
Amen, Hey, maen, hallelo Amen, Hello, glorad to God.

Speaker 21 (39:43):
Okay, somebody help me, Nobody help me. I didn't abuse
supposed to hurt Amen.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Hey man, hey man, hey, nobody your heady.

Speaker 19 (39:59):
Please?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Hey hey hey, hey, hey about let me worship I
feel like Alex Jones has a little bit of Baptist
preacher in him, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I don't think Alex was actually raised Baptist. Don't want
to say he was raised Methodists. I don't remember. But
I feel like there's a little bit of Alex in
a lot of these preachers, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Uh, haymen, heymen, welcome everybody. Hay Man, it's the it's
the Fundamental's Baptist sire.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Hey, God and spear that in truth.

Speaker 22 (40:30):
Hey hey.

Speaker 23 (40:31):
It was a message of outcry.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Somebody say, man, bad man, I'm going churching and smell
it on him. I wanted to do a Rick Flair woo,
do a little Rick Flair bro woo whoo.

Speaker 19 (40:43):
Dead man, Hey man, I'm coming praise God my sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Of the lip.

Speaker 19 (40:48):
Don't don't you trade a bunch of handclapping for a
bunch of amens.

Speaker 15 (40:51):
Hey, damn man, bunch of applau own up Field, not
this amen, brother Field, we.

Speaker 10 (40:57):
Want to talk.

Speaker 23 (40:58):
Don't buy your head.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
It's preaching. Don't buy you. I hadn't fits in there, everybody.

Speaker 19 (41:04):
I just don't see anything wrong with wearing leggings to
church and a sweat shirt.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I ain't got enough clothes on to clean out a
ten gage shotgun. Wove's getting hot in hair? Now, put
some damn clothes on. Take your yogurt pants off. Put
some clothes on. I can see you button jiggling, and

(41:31):
I don't like it none, Jamie, put some clothes on.
Don't clean that shotgun in your leggings.

Speaker 15 (41:43):
Put a burke on.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You don't clean a shotgun unless you covered head to
toe in the dang burke. All right, we're gonna open
it up. I'm having fun over, Phillip. What's up man?
You want to come? Shot? Uh, we'll be here for
a while. If you can't get on yet, Agent nothing,
what's up? Man? Welcome to everybody to open calls.

Speaker 24 (42:11):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
What's on your Mind's son?

Speaker 18 (42:15):
Have you gotten to the part in Harari's Homodeus where
he talks about the useless class and the scientific nos arcy.

Speaker 25 (42:22):
No, you know, I'm wondering if well about to spoil it.

Speaker 18 (42:28):
But I'm wondering, with mom Donnie's win, if his style
of communism will actually be more of what Harari describes
as kind of a scientific nos art where the elite
leave humanity behind and there's billions of useless people.

Speaker 6 (42:43):
And I know you've seen the clips, but.

Speaker 18 (42:45):
He goes on to talk about how everyone just does
drugs and computer games and all that.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
So you t about you talk about Harari, right, yes, yes,
and he says that.

Speaker 18 (42:56):
After the useless people comment and homodeus.

Speaker 20 (42:58):
And so I'm wondering if.

Speaker 18 (43:01):
Mam Donnie's communism will actually be like a brave new world.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Probably, oh, absolutely, I think all of the socialists being
promoted that are everywhere in the Basically, the Democratic Party
is basically just becoming the Democratic Socialist of America Party.
So they're becoming full on socialists openly. Even though Mom
Donnie is not full on quote fabian socialist, that doesn't
even matter, because fabian socials will work with any socialist.

(43:30):
Let's see if we can find this y'val Harari quote
that our friend here has mentioned here looks like it's said, let's.

Speaker 26 (43:36):
Say the humans are in danger of becoming useless. Just
as the nineteenth century Industrial revolution created the urban working class,
so now we are seeing the creation of the unworking class.
People who are not just unemployed, they are unemployable. And
this obviously causes a lot of anger and anxiety. In addition,

(43:59):
authority is already begin to shift away from humans and
we are not sure where too, and this too causes
a lot of turmoil and a lot of fear among
larger and larger segments of the population.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
So there's Noah of all talking about the useless eaters.
This is the older terminology that you would see, and
people like David Attenborough and all of the you know,
worldwide wildlife, you know, social Darwin nature worship people.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
And he'll have the useless eta as he grazes in
his natural habitat right.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Those are people who are all absolutely Malthusians, And now
the Malthusian ideology has been combined with technocratic socialism aka
Fabian socialism. So I think our buddy agent here is
spot on. I would absolutely expect that that's the attitude
ultimately that mom Donnie has, even if he's not explicit

(44:55):
about it. I haven't actually listened to much of mom
Donnie or I don't know much about what his actual
platform is because I don't even have to because socialists
are all it's all the same game. They're basically they're
basically fronts and agents for the banking technocracy.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Agent. Do you have anything else?

Speaker 25 (45:15):
No, I know, I appreciate that, Jade.

Speaker 18 (45:17):
It was just so obvious because you're so I haven't
really looked much at mom Donnie myself, but when I
saw him with Soros, I knew that stakeholder capitalism and he,
you know, homodeous useless class was in full effect.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
So no, but see he's based in trad and he's
actually fighting the Zionists. You see. So he's based in Trid.

Speaker 18 (45:42):
And you know he has that fabian socialist wolf with
the sheepskin. Because when I see him, he's not like
this strong looking figure like Stalin was right, he's like
smiling and looking pretty skill.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
So he's definitely Yeah, he's.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Got the he's got the skill vibe. Like go ahead, John,
I said, he is skittles. Oh I didn't know that.
Is he really gay?

Speaker 25 (46:08):
Yeah, he's openly gay.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 25 (46:11):
Yeah, you're gonna be You're gonna be ruled by a
bunch of technocratic Uh so openly gay Jewish men.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
That's your right there.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Wait, you're saying, mom Donnie. Mom Donnie is actually a
Jewish origin, but he claims to be Muslims.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Everything. Oh no, I thought you were talking about Harari.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
No, no, no, I'm sorry. No, you're right about Harari. No,
we're talking about Mom Donnie. Now who is So they
were arguing it's okay, there were people have been arguing,
oh look see it's this is actually a defeat against
the Zionists because Mom Donnie is Muslim.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Dude, he's a freaking technocratic socialist.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
This is retarded and Kier Starmer, by the way, who
is another open Fabian socialist. Are you noticing what we've
been talking about for so long is the revival of
socialism and Marxism is coming. Because the British Ministry of
Defense fifteen eighteen years ago put out a paper in

(47:05):
the Guardian saying that Marxism would make a return. Remember
this the British am I'll pull it up for you, guys.
It's in the Guardian right here, Revolution, flash Mobs and
brain Chips twenty years ago Guardian article. I've been talking
about this article for fifteen years because Alex covered it

(47:28):
when it first popped.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Up and the British Minister of Defense wrote about, oh
guess what's coming.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Not just all the technocratics stuff, but the return of
Marxism Marxism will come back.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
And now what do we have.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
We have Fabian socialist Keir Starmer as the MP, or
excuse me, as the Prime Minister PM. We have Mom
Dannie elected as the new Muslim mayor of New York. Now,
the same stuff was exactly what the Babian Society did
in the UK, and they wrote about it one hundred

(48:03):
years ago that they would islamicize the UK, then they
would islamicize the EU, and then they would do the
same pattern eventually in the West, although it would take
a lot longer because it's more challenging to get.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Islam into the US, into America.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Now, all of the low tier trad cat people who
think that there's an alliance between them and Muslims, there's
a right wing alliance member. This was being pushed a
couple of years ago. Sneak, oh, he's going to be
our anti Zionist bro. This is all Fagan gay, it's
all ridiculous. They're both bad news.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Islam Is just as.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Talmudic as Judaism is, comes from the same Talmudic origins.
The modern scholarship admits that Islamic origins are Talmudic.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
All of these stories that Muhammad has.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
You know, throughout the hadiths and whatnot, and even in
the Quran many of them are from Gnostic tacks. Many
of them are from the Talmudic tax and yeah, some
of them are cribbed and mixed up from the Bible.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
So this is none of this is good. This is
all bad news. They're all bad. You're not winning because
of this goober getting elected in New York.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
This is just so insane to me. I cannot believe
that people think. And I've seen it all over Twitter.
People are like, we'll show those Zionists. We'll put a
Muslim in who's a socialist. They'll show those zions as.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
If he's not in freaking pictures celebrating with Soros's son
and the rabbis. You idiots. Socialism is fake and gay.

Speaker 7 (49:43):
It is a tool.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
It is not a real opposition socialism.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
As even Oswald Spangler said, there has never been a
socialist movement.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Which was not funded and used as the tool of capital.
Go ahead, John, I.

Speaker 25 (49:57):
Was reading something today, this book called the War for Righteousness,
and it's talking about progressive Christianity leading up.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
To World War One, and.

Speaker 25 (50:10):
H. G. Wells is all over this book particularly because
there was some opposition to the World War within various
Protestant sects, but Wells made it a point to be
in opposition to the war and true, maybe in socialist manner.

(50:32):
Then when the war starts he said, well, no, it's
actually a good war.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
It's the war to end all wars.

Speaker 25 (50:38):
And then after the war they started, they criticized everybody.

Speaker 6 (50:43):
For supporting the war.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (50:46):
So like there is a tactic to this where like,
whatever is happening politically or in the world is you
take a position and then you modify your position after
the conflict or whatever is over and make it seem
like you never were for the thing that you.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Were before or during whatever you know, political thing was
going on.

Speaker 25 (51:09):
And we see that over and over again, and it
works because people they think they're like, oh, am I
crazy or wasn't that guy the opposite of something, you know,
prior to whatever conflict, I could have sworn and you
think your mind's playing tricks on you.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
But it's an old tactic. It's an old Fabian socialist tactic.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Yes, as is controlled fake conservatism. Now for those that
don't know, of course, we've been recommending for several years
now four or five years now the Yelean Rati book
The Milner Fabian Conspiracy. If you're interested, I have a
lengthy couple talks. This is part one right here. If
you type in Writings to the Elite, you'll get this

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one as part one forty four thousand views. If you
scroll down a little bit you'll get my discussion Part two.
I mean it's just six seven hundred page books, so
it has quite a bit of information. So it took
several talks and we still didn't even get to the
later sections in the book, which are actually really important.
But this goes into exactly all the strategy and long

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term usage of Islam that those people in the UK,
especially amongst the UK elites planned, So you can check
that out there. I don't know if the book is
back in print. It always seems to be out of print,
so maybe somebody eventually we'll put this into print. But
it's an absolutely essential text and it's amazing that, you know,

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I can't get anybody to get.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Well, I take that back.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
I think everybody gen X, half a gen X and
under cangrasp this stuff half a gen X and older.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
They just cannot get this stuff. I don't know why.
They were subjected to some extreme.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Advanced versions of propaganda and they just cannot get dialectics
and how dialectics works. But when you go to college
and study philosophy, and I'm saying this as a person
who did it, and when you go to grad school
and study philosophy, guess what philosophy students are taught. We're
taught Marxism and dialectics. Now, that doesn't mean that all

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colleges only produce Marxists. You can come out of there
even as a capitalist and still be, you know, a
strousian neo con do so, not everybody does, but the
majority who wants to feel cool and anti establishment and
leftists come out of college as brainwashed Marxist socialists. As
I said a few weeks ago, I recently went back
to my university, and we had an awesome library back

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when I was a research assistant there and I worked
in the library, and I would spend days, you know,
just hanging out down there in all of these awesome
books that we had down there. Well, it turns out
a couple of years ago, Jamie and I went back
over there to the library and we went down to
the basement where all the art chives and all the
all the texts were, and seventy percent were now gone.

(54:06):
And guess what was all that was left of this
vast archive, of this treasure trove of excellent books.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Well, can I guess?

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Guess?

Speaker 25 (54:17):
It was about how based and tread.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Muslims are.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Now there was just one section of Marxist socialist text
about this big I mean, this was, this was These
were shelves upon shelves, and seventy.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Percent all the church fathers were gone.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
They had the whole Cathol University CUA church Fathers press set.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Uh yeah, they had the shaft set.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
But the CUA press set is even nicer than the
Chaft set they had. I mean, you name it, they
had it. We had an awesome library all gone. So
we've gone full dystopia. They've got they've just dumped all
the books.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
They don't care about any of that. It's all pure propaganda. Now.
So when you come out of university you are brainwashed
into and it doesn't even matter what you call it.
You can call it liberalism, leftism, socialism, Marxism, communism, fabianism,
it doesn't matter. It's all the same stuff. Go ahead, John,
I was gonna.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Say for years.

Speaker 25 (55:13):
I mean, even when me and you started.

Speaker 6 (55:15):
Talking back in the day, I would always go to
I know you do too.

Speaker 25 (55:19):
You go to library discards, and that's where I would
find all of the elite text That's where I found
my copy of Tragedy and Hope and the Turning Points
and all those things were all from library discards because
they started getting rid of their books a.

Speaker 10 (55:34):
Long time ago.

Speaker 25 (55:35):
But I went into a library not too long ago,
and the only reason to go into a library now
is to see if they're going to sell any of
their books, because the rest of it is all skittles
and drag Queen story hour.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I go to the library to watch the homeless people
jerking off to the porn. That's why I go in
there exactly that too, because I have an OF channel.
That is where I go in and I do voyeurism
on the homeless people watching the prawn, and then I
put that on my OF I'm joking, that's a.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Dirty, gross joke. Mormon.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Let's see, we got a couple of super jets here
from the last time no one says for ten dollars
about our Mormon stream with Posh. There are two Mormon
YouTubers that are part of a pillar for active missionaries.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
They have sizeable followings.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
You should look up Robert Boylan and missionary discussions. I
told Jimbob about them, Well, I mean, I'm not gonna
go hunting out I mean Mormons and people. If people
want to call in, they can call in. I'm not
gonna hunt them down, although I did the past few days.
I actually try to hunt down Protestants and Evangelicals that

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would come and discuss dispensationalism and Zionism.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
So we'll see if any of them show up. Dean
Limb ten dollars.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Do you have any updates on posh and you know
better know we read that last time Peach ten dollars
Because of you, I went to my first liturgy. I
visited Father Moses McPherson's church. He says, you're a great
guy and a great person to listen to. Thank you
for all your content.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Hey, JAMMI could you make me an express thank you?
Appreciate you. Survival is five dollars, Jay, I'm an acquirer.
I'm starting categorism. What church fathers do you recommend that
I watch on YouTube?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I don't recommend that you watch Church Fathers on YouTube,
I recommend that you read on the Incarnation in you know,
the five theological Orations of Saint Gregor nazian Zeus. So
I would say, actually cut down on YouTube. I have
a list of recommended books. I'm going to this parish.
They're going to order them for me.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
Yeah. Just uh, you know, you can actually just print
out the Church Fathers, you know from New Advent.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
You don't even have to go buy all these books
if you don't want to spend that money and save
money by just printing them out JB.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Two dollars. Are you hiding a Dilla monkey under your desk?
I've gone him right here on he's on the banana.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
PHONETL a monkey. You climbed up in my tree in
my heart. He climbed up in the tree of my heart.
Chautoin says, I hope you're having a good day. What
do you think about this new Nick Cage movie? Carpenter's son, Oh,
I didn't know there was a new Nick Cage movie, but.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I do love my Nicholas Crage. So let's see. Carpenter son,
I hope it's not it's not religious?

Speaker 24 (58:28):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
The Carpenter's Son exclusive trailer demons, this looks weird.

Speaker 18 (58:37):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (58:44):
It looks sort of religious? Is this Bible Times? I
don't understand what's going on? Uh oh, man, I hope
Nick Cage is and then some stupid bloss on this movie.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Let's fingers and hope that. Let's see what the plot
of it is, maybe, says who looks like it's already
being bombed by the critics. A remote village in Egypt

(59:21):
explodes into spiritual warfare when a carpenter, his wife, and
the son Jesus are targeted by supernatural forces. Okay, so
this sounds already like it's bad news because it's trying
to like fill in the Oh, we don't know the
details of you know, jesus early life, so and gnostics
and you know Vedic people they love to like come
up with fan fiction about this whole time period.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Oh, Jesus went and studied the under the Hindu yogis
and all this nonsense. So I probably won't be seeing
this one because it looks cringey. Go ahead, sounds like
a Rosa Crucian movie, it does, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Or also, you know, Muslims have this, you know Let's
go back to our Baptist preacher who was saying, hey, man, remember.

Speaker 27 (01:00:13):
Him, Hey, I know I'm right. This is a book
of absolute truths. Film it's ever been right, it's still right.
If it's ever been wrong, it's still wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Have you noticed there is a little bit of a
Baptist preacher in Alex Jones. There is a little bit
of Baptist in Alex, even if he's a Methodist or whatever.
Jackson Payne became a member. Peach says, no, he did, peace,
excuse me. James Olsen became a member. Presidential shitter Jet
became a member and sent out five memberships. That'll be

(01:00:50):
when Trump allows all of the h.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
One b.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
People on his on air Force one, then it'll be
the presidential shitter Jet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Right, probably the best shitting And if people think that,
people think it stinks. I don't know, Probably it's stinks.

Speaker 28 (01:01:09):
What do you guys think at it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Ovid steaks probably the best smelling shitter jet easy twenty dollars.
Do you think it's possible for the Messiah of Rabbinic
Judaism in the Mahdi of Islam to be the same person, Yeah,
to be an Antichrist?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Absolutely absolutely possible. I don't know, but that sounds very possible.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
In sixty seven, the current war between Christians is a
proxy war about Israel. Sam refuses to support Israel. Who
are you talking about, Sam Shamun or Sam Hyde? I
don't know what you're talking about. Ash Brozi five dollars.

(01:01:50):
This sounds based that dude, soyas f. I think he
is a good guy trying to come out of an
IFB cult. I don't think he's a bad guy. But
just remember that all the degeneracy and all this stuff,
Like the solution is not to just bring in like
Sunni Muslim Christianity, you know what I mean, like to

(01:02:13):
have IFB you know, Muslim Ianity, which is what these
crazy people are. That's that doesn't do anything. It doesn't
heal anybody, right as father that you can always say,
like we're not rule worshipers. People need to be healed.
It's not about like erecting all these external, retarded legalistic
rules about you know, your damned if your skirt is

(01:02:33):
two inches above your knee, it's just insane and that
just creates more atheists. Anyway, wolf M, what's up ad
ten pounds?

Speaker 10 (01:02:41):
JA?

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Why did a child die in Second Samuel twelve. I'm
assuming you're talking about Dave. Is that David's son through Bathsheba?
Second Sandwich fuld I mean so yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
This is David's is the effects of David's sin with Bathsheba?

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
God practices eye for eye, right, So just because like
we don't we think, oh, we're in the New Testament.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
There's no eye for eye.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Now the Book of Revelation specifies there is still eye
for eye. That is a principle of justice. Jesus isn't
saying in the Sermon on the Mount, oh, it's no
more I for eye. Everything's cool, I'm hippie, Jesus. He's
talking about you as an individual. You don't exact personal
vengeance on people. It doesn't mean that you can't practice
self defense, so you can't defend your family. He's saying,

(01:03:37):
you cannot vengefully be going after people that you perceive
that have wronged you. That applies wisdom, and you have
to know what the right application is to the right
time because the whole of the scriptures are inspired. So
for example, when Solomon says in Ecclesiastes, there's a time
for war, a time for peace, a time for joy,

(01:03:59):
et cetera. There's appropriate times for all of those things,
and wisdom is when you apply those things. Idiot evangelicals
low IQ people, they take one verse and they absoluteize
that Jesus and the Pagans do the same thing. Right,
Christianity is cooked because Jesus has turned the cheek. You
can never fight, that's not what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
The context is personal vengeance. That's what we don't do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
But that's not the same thing as standing your own
ground and defending your loved ones. What Jesus says, if
you give your life for your friends, that's the greatest
act of love. Well, that can occur on the battlefield.
There have been countless Orthodox saints and kings who were warriors.
And it's really only modern pacifism and you know, evangelicalism

(01:04:44):
that has injected this idea that Christianity is pacifism.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
It's not. It's all just made up. It's a perversion
of the totality of divine revelation. And it's also, by
the way Marcionite, it's a devaluing of the Old Testament
revelation because it's not focused primarily on the spiritual like
the New testament is then the assumption is old. Then
it's bad, and it's actually evil. It's an evil God.

(01:05:09):
Throw it out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Even though Hebrews eleven glorifies the people who fought in
battles as great saints. How could Hebrews eleven be true
that they turned away the foreigners and there were great
heroes of the faith.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
If we're pacifists, it's just not. This is made up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Now in the case of Nathan and David, this is
the penalty. The effects of the sin do come upon
our descendants. So just as if if if Jamie gets
addicted to fentanyl and she gets pregnant and has.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
A baby, the baby will feel the effects of that addiction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
And you know, you have like you know, babies that
are born addicted to meth or whatever because the mom
does meth when when they're pregnant. So there's no different
than here that this is the sense in which the
quote sins come upon the children. It's not the actual
guilt of the sin, it's the effects of the sin.
If I poisoned the town well with fentanel and the

(01:06:09):
whole town gets addicted to opiates, then they are actually addicted. Unfortunately,
they feel the effects of my sin. But they're not
guilty of being drug addicts because it wasn't their choice,
it was not their action. But in this world there
are the effects of sin that do pass on to others,
and it's just obvious that that is the case. So

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in this situation, God has judged David that because this
was the child of your wicked actions to murder that
just went blank on the Bathsheba's husband, his best friend. Yah,

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you've murdered Uriyah. You committed adultery. The judgment is that
this child will not live. So we might think, oh,
that's not fair. No, it actually is, because every time,
I mean, God, it himself is the standard of what's fair.
So if you don't have that transcendent principle of what
is fair, then there is no such thing as fair.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Not that there's just what is.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
But this actually shows this by the way, the child
is not himself guilty of sin, and this is a
great example by the way of the Orthodox view of
original sin or ancestral sin, there's not personal guilt that
passes on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
And that's why all these idiots on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Twitter that are trying to resurrect this stupid idea that
Augustine was correct that infants have personal guilt.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
They're just idiots. Jordan, what's up? I'm you? Thank you?

Speaker 25 (01:07:51):
Hey, j can hear me?

Speaker 23 (01:07:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:07:54):
So if it's okay, can I comment on two things
real quick and get your.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Feedback on just one second? Squirrel in Oz, were you
on with Gerald on the crowd? Yes, so we did that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I don't know when they're going to release it, since
they released the episode with Myron Mine was after that,
so I would I would expect that it will be soon.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I don't know when. What's up?

Speaker 20 (01:08:17):
Yeah, So the first thing I want to comment on
is like, kind of the group of people like an
opposition to you on online and I've even experienced it
in person. The take and they're like argument is so bad.
It's just ridiculously bad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
They're all like a lot of them are They're all
several of them are mentally ill by the way.

Speaker 20 (01:08:38):
They're all through neemamaxers. They're like think they like superiorly
hold the mind of the church. Yeah, but they're the
opposite of the mind of the church. No one thinks
that you're okay. There may be one weirdo online who
thinks that they're participating in the energies in your chat.
But everyone else doesn't think that. No one else believes that.
Everyone else understands that people who convert go to the

(01:08:59):
church for healing, not Jade Eyer's community chat.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, they just lie and say that, oh, he's created
an online church, even though the say, at the same time,
the churches are tripling in size and people are saying
that even the OCA admitted in their internal document that
they put out that I was the number one reason
why people were coming to the Orthodox Church. But then
they turn around a lie and say, oh, he's just
creating an online cult. Their own stats disproved the lies

(01:09:26):
that they say. Now, keep in mind, once again, we
have this man who is not a canonical Orthodox priest.
He was defrocked allegedly many years ago. Whether he is
or isn't, it's actually even matter because he is openly
under a schismatic patriarch, and it's the Zio patriarch that
tried to sell properties to the Israeli.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Government and this guy went along with that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
And nobody recognizes this person as the authentic patriarch. But
this guy is a schismatic priest openly on his website
underneath that person. Now he's come at me for year
for no reason whatsoever, never interacted with this person. And
he says, oh, look, the Converts are evil because they're
anti s, they're racist, misogynist, and they want to joint

(01:10:11):
Orthodoxy out of hate and prejudice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Now, notice where does he first go? Roe Corps. Bad
Jay Dyer is the leader of this. Look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
This is so obviously like just targeted nonsense that's actually
political because he's a FED. He's admitted NSA former NSA spook.
Here he is on his website admitting that he is
under a schismatic patriarch. So it's all fake, it's all psyops.
He claims in the interviews that he does with other

(01:10:40):
mentally ill people, and yes, this person is mentally ill
who's out also attacked me for no reason whatsoever for years.
Young penitent admitted that he tried to murder people. And
then he's on meds. Actually is psychotic, and they these
are the people that come after me. These people get
garner thousands of followers. Remember Zelch had five six thousand followers.

(01:11:03):
All he did was attack me for years. Oh, turns
out he's literally schizophrenic, and he's actually a neopagan, He's
not Orthodox. Brother Nathaniel literally says, there's no such thing
as theosis. How could you be an Orthodox monk for
twenty years or so, however many decades and you don't
believe in theosis?

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
It is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
And these people, thousands of people will follow these mentally
ill retards who do nothing but get this. This guy says,
there's no such thing as any genocide or attack on
Orthodox Christians. You must support the nation state of Israel.
Here he is promoting LPDA fourros. He's an open, insane
level ecumenist. And if you watch the interviews with this loon,

(01:11:49):
he sounds like he's an old drunk man. So you
guys want to follow old idiot drunks and mentally unstable
people who admit that they're psychotic on meds. You have
a problem. It's not me that's the problem. These are
the thousands thousands of people follow these lunatics.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
And you can't. You don't have the discernment to see
that these people are lunatics, Like, what is wrong with you?

Speaker 17 (01:12:12):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
They openly push elpeda forests, accumunism, openly pushes the ep
openly schismatic, and you and you guys don't care even
though I tell you guys for years that these people
are insane. You can actually go look into them, see
that they're not even Orthodox. They play like their Orthodox.

(01:12:36):
They spend all day on Twitter attacking me NonStop, and
you guys still, not all of you, not my audience,
but these people that follow them still say I'm the
bad guy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
They don't even care about these people being absolutely insane,
just lons. This guy is a freaking fed pushing Zio nonsense.
But I'm the bad guy.

Speaker 20 (01:12:56):
The thing is, Jay, even if like everything that he
said and his tweet is granted.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Well, this should tell you he's woke.

Speaker 20 (01:13:04):
Like, well, the thing is, even if what he said
in his tweet is granted, let's say all the people
that you play a part in converting.

Speaker 11 (01:13:10):
Are like that.

Speaker 20 (01:13:11):
Does he deny the ability of the church to catechiz
Does he deny the ability of the energies to heal people?

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
No, he's he's he wants he says they need to
leave the church.

Speaker 20 (01:13:20):
That's what I'm saying. So it shows, it shows that
these people, like what faith do you believe in? If
you don't believe the church heels so like, dude, like
was like the Apostles or was Saint Paul wrong from
bringing the Pagans in because they had all these file mindsets.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Now look look what he says. He says.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
He says, if you don't support the nation state of Israel,
if you think that Israel is genociding anybody in Palestine,
you are a racist, mistogynist antis and you should leave
the Orthodox Church.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
He's not Orthodox. And you guys, listen to these linenics.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
And like just go listen to the guy in the interview,
like he's obviously like an old mentally ill person, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
You don't have any discernment my first one, so it
was it was right after that. So did you, I mean,
what was the process for that?

Speaker 29 (01:14:11):
Did you go to a seminary or did you or
did you just yeah, I got a I got a
theology degree from from my law school.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
He got a theology degree from his law school. So
he didn't go to a seminary. He got a theology
degree from his law school. Now that's possible, But why
should we believe the backstory of a lifetime fed an
admitted known spook. It's on his profile quote former spook
for many years, but we're supposed to just you guys,
just trust this guy because he's a fat, old man
with a beard. I guess he's orthodox, right, He's a

(01:14:43):
fatal guy with a beard, so he must be telling
the truth, even though his website explicitly says he is
in schism under some fake Zio patriarch. I mean, you guys,
you guys deserve what you get when you follow these people,
you deserve what you get. That's the crazy part about
this is like you people have no discernment. Doesn't matter

(01:15:04):
what you think about me. I don't care if you
think I'm the worst person. Could you not use your
discernment to see, like, who's at least arguing things clearly, rationally, coherently,
with evidence, with facts backing up what they say. I mean,
Colonel McGregor just shared my interview that I did with
doctor Olga. I have an actual PhD intel expert on

(01:15:26):
the channel. Colonel McGregor, one of the most prominent people
in the country, shares.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
The interview, and you retards listen to these people. What
is wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
I mean, is that not a vindication of what I
talk about? I get invited to go talk and have
dinner with Colonel MacGregor. We do an entire interview on geopolitics,
and you act like I'm this fringe weirdo. It's just nonsense.
Stop believing liars. Use some discernment and common sense.

Speaker 20 (01:15:58):
Can I talk about that second thing real quick?

Speaker 6 (01:16:01):
Yes?

Speaker 20 (01:16:02):
So, my h The second thing is like, uh, it's
about the mustache man syop. So when you first brought
it up, I was kind of like hesitant to agree,
but now I see the analogy, like there's some there's
a syop that's so analogous to it and so like
it that it's undeniable. It's so it's just like the
rom com or romance movie female true femininity syop, where

(01:16:25):
it's like true femininity is like an independent woman cheating
on her husband and like being hedonistic and seeking the
man she always wanted. It's the same thing with the
smush jest man stuff. It's like true masculinity is gay
paganism and anti Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, exactly, And yeah, they like the people who push
these sy ops like this, like they know and they
study psychology, so they know that people are looking for,
for example, a hero figure and if there's a lack
of a hero figure. Take, for example, Jordan Peterson, Right,
Jordan Peterson appears and I'm not accusing him of being
like totally fit and all this. Like, I'm going to

(01:17:01):
talk about my criticisms and how I was vindicated about
Jordan Peterson here in a second, because all of Twitter's
going crazy over this interview that he did with Rubin
about gay men having children and adopting or whatever, and
how this works. We're going to move to this next
and I'm going to play you the clip I told
you guys almost a decade ago in my interview or

(01:17:25):
it's me in my criticism of classical.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Liberalism and Jordan Peterson almost ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Exactly what it leads to that it leads to Komer
Gooner skittle stuff. Exactly what this interview demonstrates. Now, when
I put that video up, I remember it vividly because
it got a lot of us and it got like
seventy to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Eighty percent thumbs down and just hundreds of comments.

Speaker 28 (01:17:49):
Just you are a liar, You are a fraud. How
dare you attack Jordan Peterson? He has done so much
from men in the West. Look at you, You can't do.
You're lying, You're taking out of context. Nothing I said
was wrong. Everything I said was spot on. I was
absolutely correct and vindicated. And I even said this leads
to butt stuff. I'm not saying Jordan Peterson is game.

(01:18:11):
I'm saying that the logic of the classical liberal ethos
leads to the very thing that you see in the
Dave Ruben interview. Now fast forward nine ten years later.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
I was correct.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
I told you that that's where it leads. And I
don't hate Jordan Peterson. I want Jordan Peterson to do well,
to flourish, to become healed, to live a good life
and become orthodox, and you know, get better. But look,
colonel McGregor, what's the third post down on one of

(01:18:45):
the top geopolitical analysts, the guy that Trump wanted to
be the National security advisor because he's actually a good dude.
Trump's pick for National Security Director. D and I, director
of National Intelligence shares my stuff. But you guys want
to listen to absolutely insane people. Why do you not

(01:19:07):
have any discernment? What ask God for discernment?

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
What's up? Jordan?

Speaker 22 (01:19:16):
It's uh, it's it's it's very like, it's very sad, honestly, Like,
it's very sad how people like don't like see what's
right in front of their faces, like with the whole utification.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Of like Matt Frad and Daily Wire.

Speaker 20 (01:19:29):
And then the first thing this uh Middle Eastern guy
does is is is attack like uh Catholicism with a
fair critique, but in front of the Catholics and nothing happens.
And then the next thing is this, Uh, the next
big thing out of Daily Wire is this interview. It's like,
how could it be more obvious that that, Like they're

(01:19:52):
just trying to meld the minds of what's acceptable to
these things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, it's a it's a controlled conservatism obviously, right, whether
it's Breitbart or whether it's Daily Wired. And Yahoo was
there at the beginning of both of those. So it's
a lacut operation to control the right wing to never
get off of the plantation. Just like the left controls
black people right on the Democratic Party plantation, the fake

(01:20:22):
right wing controls the conservatives to never criticize Israel. You're
tiny mustache man follower if you even disagree, and then
what do we get, Oh, suddenly tiny mustache man is
everywhere right to justify the criticisms of Daily Wire, actions
of Israel or any of this stuff. Now, Keith Woods
went viral because he posted a clip from this Daily

(01:20:43):
Wire interview, which is exactly what I warned about eight
or nine years ago in my video on YouTube critiquing
classical liberalism and Jordan Peterson. Here's Jordan Peterson promoting the
craziest stuff in this interview.

Speaker 24 (01:20:55):
Yep, I believe that one year of breastfeeding is equivalent
to I think breastfed kids have a five point IQ advantage,
and one point IQ is worth one year of education.

Speaker 25 (01:21:06):
I had a two freezers in my garage, two industrial
freezers full of breast milk.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Right, that's right, So he has done all the research
on this.

Speaker 18 (01:21:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
There is another pication but a parenting interview with Ruben.
You can't make this up.

Speaker 24 (01:21:19):
But roughly speaking, women tend to do the nurturing thing
more and men do the encouraging thing more so. Now
the question is how do you mediate, how do you
manage to fulfill both those roles in the absence of
heterosexual arrangement.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
You know David pretty well, and we've been out to
dinner with Tammy many times, and you know him. He
is incredibly warm and nurturing and loving and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Anyway, you can go watch this nonsense for yourself. But
this is conservatism for you. And here's my critique almost
a decade ago, saying this is exactly where it leads.
Now again, I want you guys to think about this.
Ten years ago I said that this was where it leads.

(01:22:05):
This is what it, this is the bad part of it.
I'm totally vindicated, and all of these people still say
I'm the bad guy, Like, why am I the bad guy?
If I was correct about this? Why am I the
bad guy? If I was correct about COOF and the
church is shutting down?

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
Why am I the bad guy?

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
If I'm right about the stabbes and the COOF being pushed,
Why am I the bad guy for telling you the truth?

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Go ahead, John, I was going to comment on something.

Speaker 25 (01:22:32):
Another thing I was reading today was this book was
making a connection between the hel Lindsey Rapture late Great
Planet Earth stuff actually comes out of the same area
of Protestantism that neo Nazi skinhead stuff comes out of.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Oh like like crazy like Christian identity type stuff or
what do you mean?

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
Well, because there's a split.

Speaker 25 (01:23:06):
It's like so like the lindsay Christian Zionist stuff looks
at the creation of Israel and forty eight as being
the fulfillment of a prophecy, and then other Protestants who
split off at that, you know, at this time period
when you know, fifties, sixties, seventies, even you know, Christian
identity stuff like that is one.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
One of these type of groups.

Speaker 25 (01:23:31):
But it all comes out of the same Protestant mistake
where the apocalypse and all of this is rooted in
the you know, the Middle East and the ground called
Jerusalem and Israel. Both groups, whether it's the Christian Zionist
or whether it's something like Neo Nazi Christian identity type stuff,

(01:23:55):
it's it's rooted in that you know, millennial type apocalyptic
view of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Protestant gotcha and great point.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
I want to remind you guys too that you know,
father John Whiffer made a good point against the evangelical perspective,
which is, even if you wanted to grant the dispensationalist interpretation, right,
they say, oh, God promised to bring them back to
the land, so the Jews being back in the land
is a fulfillment of prophecy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Well, now, wait a.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Minute, if you agree with what I think of what
is doing around me. Thirty Livitic it's twenty six. When
it talks about coming back to the land and the blessings,
it says condition upon your repentance.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
Did the atheist socialist Jews who.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Went to the land actually repent Because Father Wifer was
pointing out when he went to Tel Aviv, it was
gay night clubs and gay flags everywhere, So that doesn't
seem like a lot of repentance going on.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
So where's the repentance that was actually the condition for
the return to the land.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
This is, by the way, is the reason why the
faction of the Orthodox Jews that don't support the nation
state of Israel, they argue this for you ple point.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Christ offers a key. Christ offers a key.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
I don't know what the super chat did to duplicate.
I'm looking at your super.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Chats here, heyje I'm gonna go ahead and hot down.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Okay, thank you. How would you rate in terms of
tears Protestant denominations? Christovs a key.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
I mean, from one vantage point, any error, heresy, or
schism places you outside of the church. So from that
vantage point, you're either in or out right. But from
the vantage point of commonalities, there's a lot of commonalities

(01:25:43):
that we would have obviously with Eastern Catholics, right, So
Eastern Uniate Catholicism has most of our theological profession, but
they're also geopolitically subverted and inconsistent by wanting to be
in union with the papacy. And oh well, we still
believe that there's seven ecumenical councils, but we don't accept

(01:26:04):
Vatican one. And you know, but you have to accept
Vatican one. So it's a very schizo position. And unionism
has a long history of actually being a geopolitical motivated union.
Every time union is proposed, it's almost always on the
basis of some political thing going on at the time,

(01:26:25):
even at the Council of Florence for example. So uh,
I mean, I think in that sense, like you could,
you could rate elements of different churches and groups. So
for example, Anglicanism, Conservative Anglicanism, that probably has more in
common obviously with us than maybe even some elements of
the Novas Orto, right, because the Novas Orto can get

(01:26:47):
super almost just episcopalian, with gay priests and flags and
everything else that the Protestant world has so probably you know,
Uniate the Conservative Anglicanism is closeest, even though again it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Only takes one error.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
So but I think you could you could rate it
like that, and then beyond that, I mean, all the
other prize and stuff is pretty much the same all
the way down to you know, again, I keep coming
back to this idea that I've had, which is basically
that the mainline Protestant churches are dying. They're dying out,
and like even mainline Lutherans and these groups like they've

(01:27:30):
already projected their denomination to die. Cumberland Presbyterianism even twenty
years ago projected that their whole denomination would die out
in like thirty years. The same will happen for the PCUSA,
the PCUS Gay. Once you adopt open skittle stuff, you're
adopting sterilization and the end of your church literally, and

(01:27:53):
so once the boomers are gone, that those denominations are
literally going to die. So you could look at the
Lindy effect, right, which is the idea that if something
continues on and lives on, there's something to it, doesn't
Gameliol say that In the New Testament, he says something like,
if God is behind this movement, you can't stop it.
You'll have to wait and see what happens.

Speaker 25 (01:28:17):
All all you need to survive is two industrial freezers full.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
Of breast milk.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Apparently, Yeah, that's and that's the same thing as a
loving mother father relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
There's no difference.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
The future is.

Speaker 25 (01:28:33):
Gay dudes with feers full of rest.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
So that's that's the trad So that's like the meme, right,
and exactly it's no, you have all horarih in twenty
years like the the you'll have like the meme of
the trans conservatives being like remember the good old days
of like Bay's trad Dave Rubin gamer urge conservatism.

Speaker 1 (01:28:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
This was also was an interesting to sort of shift
the subject here a little bit. We'll go to Rachel
because I'm sure she's got some good input here. But
I thought this was wild too. I can't remember who
sent me this, but so let's do a little papal
presupposition critique here, papal presubbositionalism. We're gonna, we're gonna prece
up the pope. Leo says, no one possesses the whole truth.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
Well wait a minute, Leo, in order to say no one.
That's a universal claim.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
Wouldn't you have to have access to universal truth to
eat to make the claim that has what's called a
universal quantifier, no one? How do you know that no
one has the truth unless you have access to universal truth?
So now we can prece up the pope at a
basic fundamental level. By the way, didn't he say something
like watch out for internet apologists?

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
Is that true? Was that Leo that said this recently?
That's wild?

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
When are we talking about I'm not saying talking about me,
might be talking about uh, you know, like Roman Catholic
apologists critiquing him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
I have no idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
It's just funny to me that it's you've got the
pope addressing online apologiest.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Rachel, what's up, hey, Jay, what's on your mind?

Speaker 14 (01:30:20):
I'm just thinking about the uh the gays raising their
designer babies.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Well that's bays and try what would look? So are
you a liberal? Now you have a problem with that?
Are you saying that it's not a loving relationship? So
basically you're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Are you there? Hello?

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
We lost your Rachel. Call back in if you want to,
because I'm eager to refute you. How you've turned lived
now because you're a total lib Now you don't go ahead.

Speaker 25 (01:30:53):
I was gonna say, it doesn't really matter because there's
not going to be any women in the future. In
the future, it's gauge you with.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Uh with with with bits with bitch tits like meatloaf
and uh you know, uh fight fight club.

Speaker 1 (01:31:12):
Rachel.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
I want you to come back so that I can
refute you and prove that you're now liberal because you
don't support loving nuclear family anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Rachel. Are you there? Well, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
So you just saw Rachel Wilson got refuted because she
supposedly is this conservative woman supporting family values and lo
and behold she doesn't even support a loving nuclear family
with man boots.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
Okay, how about now?

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Yeah, I'm ready to refute you, Rachel.

Speaker 11 (01:31:45):
Okay, well, you're.

Speaker 14 (01:31:47):
Gonna have quite the task on your hands because I
feel like it's very I feel like it's very misogynistic
of you to assume that to gay guys, like as
Dave was explaining, his husband is very soft. He's very soft,
he's very gentle.

Speaker 2 (01:32:07):
Oh I thought he meant physically, like like mushy, like
you could touch him and he feels smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
To right, if he's if he's squidgy, he's squidgy is soft.

Speaker 10 (01:32:21):
And they.

Speaker 14 (01:32:23):
It's like they're gonna say to their designer kids. They're
gonna say, hey, Billy, sorry, I can't get you a mom,
but I got you this soft gay man and that's
basically the same thing. So you're gonna be fine. Oh
you think that's It's so funny because it's like both
sides will be like, Rachel hates women, and then.

Speaker 3 (01:32:42):
They'll say ship like this, like oh it's this, you know,
we can raise a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
And no, actually, all of this stuff is actual real hatred.

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Of women exactly because it shows what they think of us.

Speaker 14 (01:32:54):
They think they were completely unnecessary, totally replaceable, yep, that
a mother, a mother is just a softer yes, and
you can just milk us like cows and put our
breasts milk in your freezer. Then you don't need mothers
and you don't need women anymore. And it's like, look,
I'm the first to tell you where women's shortcomings are.
But it's like they're trying to take the one thing

(01:33:16):
that is unique to our ontology and like makes us
very valuable and say, oh, we can do that too,
and we can have the gay butt sex at the
no I want.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
I want milk from meatloafs memories, That's what I want.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Didn't he did he die?

Speaker 14 (01:33:32):
I can ever remember if celebrities died, or if.

Speaker 20 (01:33:35):
If I just heard that they died, but.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
I thought he died.

Speaker 14 (01:33:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
I think you're right. I think I think Malove did
die recently. I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
But for those that are curious, I do think there's
some pretty wild predictive elements in fight Club, which you
know again written by shocker gay dude, right, isn't Brett
Easton ellis gay dude?

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
Or is it Chuck Poloniac? I forgot who wrote fight Club?
I just blank.

Speaker 14 (01:34:01):
Oh no, we need base lit analyzer here to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Tell us, because he knows John knows John here. I
just went blank.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
He wrote, Is it Chuck Poloniac or was it Bretty?
I always get those two guys mixed up. Yeah, I'm sorry,
it's the Chuck Poloniac novel. But it's very pathetic because

(01:34:27):
in the book, actually in the in the in the movie,
you have meat Love showing up as this guy at
therapy with giant breasts and The thing that's the craziest
about the movie is that, especially the first twenty minutes, right,
you got Edward Norton basically critiquing modernity, kind of anticipating

(01:34:52):
the modern men's movement, all that kind of stuff, and
he's talking about how nihilistic cosmopolitans, city bug man life
is way ahead of time, right, this is this is
like the year what ninety nine, two thousand, nineteen ninety nine,
so nineteen ninety nine, right, And then you've got this
grasping four lost masculinity, which is supposed to be embodied

(01:35:16):
by the Brad Pitt character, who's kind of a he's
kind of a Satan archetype. But the weird thing is
that when you watch the movie, Brad Pitt cross dresses
and acts like Satan. And if you haven't seen it,
of course, Brad Pitt is actually just an alter in
the mind of Edward Norton. So Edward Norton has like schizophrenia,
he's like multiple personality, and this double sort of figure

(01:35:41):
Brad Pitt Tyler Dirten is leading him to create this
men's society that actually engages in fighting, and so it's
just returned to like neopagan primalism and all this kind
of stuff. Tristan and I did a big, long esoteric
breakdown if you want to watch our podcast on fight Club.
And then it ends with a gigantic Big nine event

(01:36:01):
where the Operation Chaos I think it's called, they engage
in anarco terror on a large scale, uh, and they
implode multiple high rises. Interesting two years before the Big
nine event.

Speaker 6 (01:36:17):
Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
I remember that part of that movie.

Speaker 14 (01:36:21):
There's there's a big problem with this. Like Andrew's doing
a podcasting tour right now and he's been running into this.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
A lot, talking to like MRA and MiG cow guys
and stuff.

Speaker 25 (01:36:31):
He just had a really awfully, terribly moderated.

Speaker 14 (01:36:33):
Debate was one a few nights ago.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
And this guy's whole shtick is he's a coach. You know,
everyone's a coach.

Speaker 14 (01:36:40):
They're all going to teach you how to be a man,
and they're gonna teach you how to pick up chicks,
and they're gonna teach you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
It's a grift.

Speaker 24 (01:36:46):
Yeah, it's a total grift.

Speaker 14 (01:36:47):
Then the guys like he was trying, the guy started going.

Speaker 3 (01:36:50):
Off the rails and losing in mind. First of all,
he was dressed like a lesbian pimp.

Speaker 14 (01:36:53):
He had like roughly woman's blouse with like chains.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
And like a very really that's a wait, Tyler Dirden
dresses that way at one point, do you remember that part?

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Kind of it's been a long time since you should.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
You should, guys to rewatch it. This movie is insane.
We recently watched it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
I should, I should go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:37:12):
I'm sorry when this dude, I mean, his whole thing
is it's called something like be a free agent or something,
and it's basically like he's very proud of never never
get married, don't have any kids, just do all the
materialism stuff for yourself. And he kept making fun of
Andrew and be like, oh sky daddy, oh sky.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
Daddy, and you wouldn't anything.

Speaker 14 (01:37:34):
He was just babbling like loudly and wouldn't let Andrew talk.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
And then moderator didn't moderate at all.

Speaker 18 (01:37:39):
It was a total shit show.

Speaker 20 (01:37:40):
But this is like people actually buy into this.

Speaker 14 (01:37:44):
That's what's crazy to me is it's like people like, yeah,
Coach Adams ripped him, and.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
I'm like, how, like, what what kind of moron?

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
All of some dude?

Speaker 14 (01:37:54):
Well, first of all, all his book reviewed are obviously fake. Yeah,
you know, they fake channels with pay four subscribers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
If you go to you know, some of their they've
got like, you know, one hundred.

Speaker 14 (01:38:04):
And fifty thousand subscribers, but then their videos get.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
Like sixty five views.

Speaker 14 (01:38:07):
Yeah, that kind of thing, right, there's so much bakery
in that whole arena, right, all that stuff, And then
you've got the leftists who are like, wo men and
women are the same, and we can just decide which
one we want to be. And then those people agree,
like Dave Ruben and Jordan Peterson are saying the same thing.
They're saying, we're all just mister potato heads need to
switch parts around. So, like Dave Ruben was saying, we're

(01:38:29):
going to take my sister's eggs, they're going to mix
it with my boyfriend's sperm, and we're going to make
a make a little mister potato head baby out of
all the spare parts, and we're going to get some
other lady in milk her so that we have breast milk.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
And that's all of this works.

Speaker 25 (01:38:43):
Because more it points or something right.

Speaker 14 (01:38:46):
And it's just like none of these people have any
clue what's going on. They have no foundation, they have no,
no guiding philosophy or principles that make any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
Or are coherent at all.

Speaker 6 (01:38:59):
Right, kind of it gives any meaning to life that
it all ends up.

Speaker 14 (01:39:03):
Reducing to like this very selfish materialism of like whatever
makes you happy brow.

Speaker 25 (01:39:09):
Which actually comes full circle because that's kind of the
crux of Bike Club.

Speaker 23 (01:39:14):
The book.

Speaker 25 (01:39:16):
Who interestingly enough, the author is gay.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
Yeah, well that's what I'm trying to remember. If I
know Brett Easton Els is gay, but is Chuck blanne
At gay too?

Speaker 16 (01:39:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:39:28):
He was gay, and which there's two very interesting dynamics
between Tyler Dirdan and Patrick Bateman. They're both you know,
they're both basically psycho gay guys.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Oh, good point, A good point.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 14 (01:39:44):
Well, it's just this whole like I have a new
argument that I kind of developed like two years ago, wish,
and I've used it a few times and I've heard
other people picking it up now where I kind of
use this against them when it comes to like abortions.
So when they do the whole oh, it's, you know,
a parasite that's in my.

Speaker 20 (01:40:05):
Body and I have a right to get rid of it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:07):
Blobberty block.

Speaker 14 (01:40:08):
I always ask them, Okay, well, you guys are fine
with IVF and a transgenderism, all this kind of stuff.
This is part of the you know, individual rights and
liberty stuff, the same ethos that all this abortion pro
choice stuff comes out of.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I'm like, what if I don't think this is true.

Speaker 14 (01:40:25):
I don't think it'll work because they've been predicting this
for over one hundred years.

Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
But let's say that the stupid science people.

Speaker 18 (01:40:31):
Are correct and we get artificial wombs in ten years.

Speaker 14 (01:40:34):
I always ask them this, Okay, what if we have
artificial wombs and when you go in to get your
abortion at eight weeks or twelve weeks or.

Speaker 25 (01:40:41):
Whatever it is, they say, good news, we do not
have to kill this baby.

Speaker 14 (01:40:46):
We can simply transplant it to an artificial womb where
it will finish growing, it will be born, and it
can grow up and have a life. There's thousands and
thousands of couples waiting to adopt, so congratulations, you don't
have to have the abortion.

Speaker 16 (01:40:59):
We're just going to.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Transplant this embryo or this fetus or whatever to a.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
An artificial boomb.

Speaker 14 (01:41:06):
Are you still pro choice.

Speaker 6 (01:41:08):
At that point?

Speaker 18 (01:41:08):
And they always say yes.

Speaker 24 (01:41:11):
They always say yes, because it's.

Speaker 14 (01:41:13):
Really not about bodily autonomy. It's not about reproductive right,
it's not about any of that. They want to just
be able to kill someone's baby basically.

Speaker 16 (01:41:22):
Is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Yeah, it's it's total power, right, Like it's a total
power over life and life and death. I mean, that's
the whole ethos. The Left is a death cult. So
that's exactly what it's all about.

Speaker 25 (01:41:33):
The interesting thing about the artificial woomb thing is are
you familiar with the Cyborg Manifesto from the eighties, Brachildren.

Speaker 14 (01:41:42):
I think I've combed over it briefly before. I think
it's one of those things that I heard and touched
on and then never went back to it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
So yeah, it's like a you know, feminist thing.

Speaker 25 (01:41:53):
But they say in there that the that the artificial
womb in the future is going to be the ultimate
equalizer of the jen It just clicked.

Speaker 14 (01:42:04):
That just clicked for me because when I was doing
the deep dive on the feminist standpoint theory stuff and
the crazy women from the seventies and eighties, Yes, I
remember the Cyborg Manifesto being a big part of that. Yeah, yeah,
they think that, and this is an old idea too.

Speaker 25 (01:42:21):
This is, yeah, it'll make it'll make men and women
equal across the board because the woman won't be able
to have children anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:42:31):
But she'll be a good utilitarian worker just like the men.

Speaker 14 (01:42:35):
Yes, yep, that's actually a really old idea. What she
did was kind of recycled old Bolshevik feminist ideas then
just kind of tried to bring them back. This is
when the Marxism stuff was really taking off in universities.
And yeah, that's a very old idea.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
So basically it's trans transhumanist too, says excuse me, she says.
Donna Harrowway's Cyborg Manifesto says that the hybrid of machine
and organism is a metaphor to challenge all traditional boundaries
such as human, animal, physical, non physical, male and female,
and it argues for a new non essentialist feminist politics,

(01:43:14):
meaning that there's no such thing as essences. There's not
an essence of male or female or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
It's all plasticity. That this was actually what H. G.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Wells talked about in his essays a long time ago,
and then Alan and Doctor Moreau, where he talks about
human plasticity, meaning that there's no such thing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
As male or female or animal or dog or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
It's just silly putty that can be molded through the
scientific high priest class into whatever you want it to be.

Speaker 20 (01:43:45):
Yeah, exactly, And don't forget he was in that whole
Coomer club.

Speaker 14 (01:43:48):
With like Margaret Sayer.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
Yeah he was. He was a free love guy. I
think he was gay too, like I think Ah Wells was.

Speaker 14 (01:43:55):
They were all just like bisexual.

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
They all just had sex with everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
So it's just it's just like now, the.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
The Son and Kinder, the.

Speaker 28 (01:44:07):
Children of the Sun.

Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Son and Kinder?

Speaker 24 (01:44:13):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
What's that? John?

Speaker 25 (01:44:15):
That's what they called it.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
We've talked about this before.

Speaker 25 (01:44:18):
That's what they called it in England. Was the Son
and Kinder, the Children of the Sun.

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Oh the Kumer parties that they had, Yeah, okay, yeah,
and they you.

Speaker 14 (01:44:30):
Know, Colin and I was writing in nineteen seventeen about
a future she envisioned where after communism sweeps the world
and we have full communism, where the state has been
abolished and all the problems have been overcome, and everybody
has just what they need and nothing more, and there's
no war and they've never heard of violence, and money
doesn't exist that the final frontier is biology, the final

(01:44:53):
the final thing to overcome is uh, you know it's true,
it ends up being transhumanist.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's why gender fluidity is the pathway
to transhumanism.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
I'm talking to Jay Dire on Twitter.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
Say right now, oh sorry, Chase said you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Well, we had little Chase in her earlier, a person
that sounds exactly like Chase.

Speaker 20 (01:45:17):
So I think you have a voice will get here.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Apparently, little Chase, Little Chase l This is turning into
performance art with Chase. Somehow. This is getting weird. Thank you, Rachel.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
By the way, is there is that debate that you're
talking about. Is that on Crucible or is that already
for members?

Speaker 14 (01:45:45):
It's already, but I think it's on the Sean Kelly
Social the Digital Social Hour podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:45:53):
He was the guy that was kind of sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Oh, I know you're talking about Yah, I know that guy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:01):
Guys have a fun space.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Thank you. Let's see who's next. Ah, Brasey, what's in
your mind?

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Let's go back to that Baptist pastor. I like him
screaming at every at random intervals. Where's he at?

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Hey? Man?

Speaker 15 (01:46:22):
Go ahead, Jesus never claiming to be the Messiah John
Hagy in my new book in Defensial Issue.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I've been making that same joke and that same impression
for ten years now.

Speaker 25 (01:46:37):
By the way, that Baptist pastor the one good thing
in that clip that he played, he actually talks about
absolute truth, which seems to be absent in other religions
out nowadays.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
Yeah, it's funny that the independent fundamentals Baptist guy recognizes
that there's absolute truth.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Now he thinks it's the King James Bible. But whatever. Hey, yeah,
my bad Jay.

Speaker 23 (01:47:01):
I saw John mute it too. When you said go ahead,
I thought you were talking to him, not me. I
wanted to bring something first. I want to I want
to comment on that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Uh uh, Dave Ruben, thing enough is it?

Speaker 6 (01:47:16):
Is?

Speaker 23 (01:47:16):
It not like extremely weird worrying and concerning that it's
almost exclusively boys that these uh he's homosexuals.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
You don't buy from these women.

Speaker 19 (01:47:26):
Like I don't know.

Speaker 23 (01:47:27):
It's kind of weird because I don't know if they can.
I know there's something there were some advancements in technology
or whatever that where there's some way like you can
you can always make sure that it's a it's an
x y and like that. It's never a girl that
gets help, but for these gays, it's always.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
A damn boy.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
And that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
I don't know, yeah, I mean because they're Yeah, I mean,
we can figure out why.

Speaker 1 (01:47:51):
I mean, but no, it's not funny. I know what
you mean exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
But keep in mind too, the way that we got
to this was these Hollywood Satanists doing the exact same thing. Remember,
because they've been pushing this before everybody else because they
would get their kids or whatever they however they do it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
And let them let them choose their gender. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Uh, Charlie's la Ron Megan Fox, didn't Angelina Joe Lee
if she did the same thing. I'm trying to think
of the they, all the Hollywood degenerates, prepared the way.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
For this in the in the society in general.

Speaker 25 (01:48:43):
Do you remember Alan Watt used to talk about how
the you know, the big boys, they hate women and
they don't want women in the future.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Yes, that that was an idea, that was one of
the ideas, and.

Speaker 25 (01:48:58):
He used to talk about that we're in the future,
they want to like get rid of the female idea,
and that's the idea of this you know, like Humapor
did it male in the future, but he wouldn't be
irrational like a female.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
That's a really good point, and that's part of the point.
Probably I've not yet read Wanting Seed. I want to
read it, but that's probably a big part of that,
that dystopian story too.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
So Anthony Burgess, who did Cluck or Orange, also wrote
Wanting Seed. Where you have mandatory gay in the future, now.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
You also have that. By the way, it's it's actually
pretty subtle. It's not not even that subtle.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
It's just the first time I read it, I didn't
realize it. But then when quite frankly and I re
viewed last year or two years ago, Brave New World,
most oft them on is actually PDF uh and it's
pretty crazy if you pay attention.

Speaker 25 (01:49:58):
Go ahead, Yeah, well Burgess and Wanting Seed. The interesting
part about the first part of it is there the
main character is actually heterosexual, but to get a job
in government, he has to pretend to be gay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Oh wow, okay, Well, in Brave New World, like you
have to be you have to hump anybody or else
you get like you get it, you get get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
If you deny anyone you get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
So anybody wants in your bot, you better let him in.
Uh Extra, what's up man? Yeah, Captain McCard is in
the chat. Shout out to Captain maccard Engage.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Number one. Go ahead.

Speaker 30 (01:50:49):
Hey, Jay, I'm just curious if you have any thoughts
on Jewish process theology, specifically the kind that's usually spoken
about by the becauservative Judaism movement.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
I don't know specifics of like modern thinkers in it,
but it sounds like that would be exactly what Hegel
and Spinoza teach. And that's exactly what Moses has says
is his version of Judaism. So pantheistic dialectical process is
God coming to self realization. All that that you read

(01:51:24):
in Hegel and maybe even Ta Hard to sharp In
kind of comes out of that ethos. But I have
not read like modern versions or thinkers in that in
that framework, so I couldn't speak to them right wing.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
What's up? Where's all the evangelicals? I sent this to
like five or six evangelicals to come chat. What's up
on you?

Speaker 10 (01:51:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 29 (01:51:52):
Hello, Dane, Hey, you know about about the newspaper joke
I have?

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
I have a joke for you, like if you want
to be you know what could have been you down?

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
So the newspaper droke, what are you talking about?

Speaker 29 (01:52:04):
Yeah, because you mentioned the newspaper and I mean you
got to be gay or something. I mean, if you
want to be in black and white, black and white.

Speaker 4 (01:52:10):
It's got to be in you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
Man, I don't get it. I'm lost what never never mind?

Speaker 29 (01:52:19):
Maybe maybe it's a bad joke anyway, So my questions
you would.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Be about Rossio's book and about Tragic.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
And Hope rights.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Yeah, Rothio's book, rot I'm sorry, Yeah, gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
So it's a brilliant text.

Speaker 29 (01:52:32):
I've read about one hundred page, one hundred and fifty
pages already good and I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Mean it's pretty good.

Speaker 29 (01:52:37):
But I'm guessing those five countred pages are not going.

Speaker 4 (01:52:39):
To be that problematic. But what about Tragic in Hope?

Speaker 29 (01:52:42):
Like you've got me hooked in, Like this is some
serious geopolitical she maun But I'm guessing it's pretty difficult
to grasp in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
Because no, it's not. It's not difficult to grasp.

Speaker 2 (01:52:52):
It's just difficult to persevere through because it's like twelve
thirteen pages and it's it's very technical, dry history oracle reading.
It's got a lot of nuggets and gems, but it's
just I think for pretty much anybody, including myself, it
was difficult, laborious process to get through that book. But
if you don't want to, there is the smaller Angle

(01:53:15):
American Establishment by Quickly, which basically has most of the
same information and a couple insights that Tragic Hope doesn't have.
So you could just read Angle American Establishment to get
the same overall idea. However, to get, for example, a
lot of the nuggets about World War Two and the
rise of Tiny Mustache Man, you have to read those,
you know, dual appeasement, seven point strategy of chapters and

(01:53:37):
so forth.

Speaker 29 (01:53:38):
That's why I wanted to ask you if there's like
particular chapters.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
I mean, yeah, like there's gonna be more relevant chapters
than others. I mean, the Tiny Mustache Man chapters are good.
The French banking chapter is good about the party boss
system and the Rothchilds in France. The chapter in the
Middle book about technocracy is good. There's a chapter about
the Royal insterfram national affairs and all that, the round

(01:54:06):
Table groups that's good. So yeah, I mean there's kind
of sparse sprinkled through chapters, but I mean you could
also just buy my lecture course on it if you
don't want to read it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:18):
Yeah, that sounds amazing as well. And another question, if
you have a time for once?

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
Who have?

Speaker 29 (01:54:24):
So, Yes, because of you, I pretty much solidified my
orthodox Christian position. I'm a serve by the way, I
live in Serbia.

Speaker 4 (01:54:30):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Yeah, did you hear? Did you hear? We had a
serb on here chanting your anthem posh?

Speaker 6 (01:54:40):
No, I guess I didn't. I guess I didn't.

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