Pt 3 - Candace/TPUSA, Evolutionary Fan Fiction: Response to Professor Dave & OPEN DEBATE & CALLS - Jay'sAnalysis

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I just thought that's funny. There's nothing more to that story.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh, look the whole listen, there's only one Slate queen.
That's all. That's the that's the takeaway. The real Ediva
is right here. That's the takeaway to all y'all goobers
in the chat right now, All right, let's open it
back up. Nick is calling Nick Verge. What's up, dude,

(00:27):
She cried, I gotta figure out how to take how
to uh. We gotta have some drama. That's only the
other way to uh to grow in the media. Who's butt?
Am I touching? Nick? Whose butt? Do I need a
touch to cause drama to get an audience?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Okay, I got some drama for you, man, Okay, bring it.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
So.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I got a buddy of mine, he was Protestant. We
started talking on Instagram and I just started sending him
some of your debates and slowly but surely became a Catechuman.
And he just sent me this. I just met, had
to do it. But he just got back from like
his first Catechism meeting, and they have a list of
all the different resources for them. I just DM you

(01:08):
it and it says pages to be cautious of Orthodox ethos.
Jay Dyer, father Moses McPherson.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
That's what I'm talking about. And this is a Protestant thing. No,
this is an Orthodox Yeah. Good. I am more and
more enjoying being on the warning list. Do you know
what kind of church it does? O? C A.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm not sure on that front. It's not Russian, so
I can say that much.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Beware. I think it's in Kansas. Beware because I don't
know why, because of Ortho Bros. Horny wigger, this is
my all profile. Somebody the other day thought that's a
stoner laugh. Y'all don't know the difference between a stoner
laugh and a whigger laugh. Stoner laughs, yeah, and a

(02:01):
wigger lives.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
SAA.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
What's up, horny wigger? Well, he's too he's too horny.
He can't connect. There's he's got too much hintie on
his screen. You gotta turn back out on the hinta
nasty stuff, Joey, what's up? Wiggers are stoners? That's true.

(02:30):
You can get there is an overlap. I mean there's
like the hippie dude and then there's like the wigger dude,
and you do get an overlap. Of that sometimes, Joey,
what's it? Nobody can connect what the heck is going on?
I am the Emperor of wigs antheum correct PDX, what's up, dude?

(02:56):
Yeah there is? I know there is overlap with the wiggerstoner.
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Hey, what up?

Speaker 5 (03:03):
Jay?

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
I just wanted to say, thanks for teaching me a
lot about geopolitics. You've kind of deepened a lot of
my horizons on it. I'm gen z On only twenty
eight and pretty much a lot of like what I
understood was pretty much just basic kind of surface level.
And I also kind of have a boomer parent, so

(03:26):
that also doesn't help.

Speaker 7 (03:28):
This is kind of like basic surface level, and you've
kind of helping kind of broaden my horizons and understanding
to like a lot of deeper levels of deep, deeper
level things.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Thanks dude.

Speaker 8 (03:41):
So I really appreciate that doing all the reading that
we don't have to, So thank you. And also I
really appreciate you helping kind of open my eyes up
to the Church being Israel and like what really is
you know, what Israel is and what it you know,
what it means to be a Jew, you know, and

(04:04):
leading me into the scriptures, and so that's been super
helpful because this nation state, or do I not? What

(04:29):
does it mean to be a part of Israel? And
so I really appreciate you kind of like breaking that
down to understand like the Church, the Orthodox Church, the
Kingdom of Heaven, God's Kingdom, you know, is Israel, and
we are baptized into that, we are grafted into that,
and we are all adopted, you know, as Abraham. I

(04:50):
appreciate you kind of like breaking that down.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
And so thanks for you know, a lot of appreciate that.
By the way, I forgot the best stoner laugh is
actually Matthew mcconnaey. He has the authentic stoner laugh. Check
it out. That's why I clipped it in my songs.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
So my son was he was headed off to camp
and before he went.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
He shared a really cool thing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
I said, Hey, what do you open to get from this?

Speaker 10 (05:19):
He said, goy, bye, I just want to meet new people.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
And new cool things.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
That is the ultimate perfect stoner snicker with it. So
I put it in the song. Dude, I clipped it.
There's a lot of cool people in the world. There's
a lot of cool things in the world. D even
notice had Daniel, what's up, hey, Jake?

Speaker 11 (05:55):
Hey, Hey, So I just had two questions, one kind
of about theology. There's more along lines of like you're
just like advice to young men. I was watching some
of your longer videos on that. So the first question
I had was like, this isn't me asking.

Speaker 12 (06:12):
Like why Catholics wrong?

Speaker 11 (06:14):
But I understand the the reasons why the Protestant position
and the atheist position just at their base level aren't
really like reconcilable. They're just not logically consistent, like obviously
tagged for the atheist position, and then for Protestants it's
just soul scripture. It just makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
It just it doesn't work.

Speaker 11 (06:37):
But the arguments against against the Orientals and the Catholics
are they as like resoundingly the base of this is
broken where it just can't work like that, And yeah,
I don't really know how to like phreeze it better,
but like dude, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
I mean, just because they have more in common with
us doesn't necessarily make it better, because you know, to
be outside the church is still outside the church. So
it's like, yeah, there's more in common, but it's still
you know, it's like saying like, well, is uh, you know,

(07:22):
Tony Soprano is not as bad as Jeffrey Dahmer. So
is Tony Soprano like closer to Orthodoxy? Well, I mean
they're both not Orthodox, you know what I mean. So
I think it's just kind of looking for it's asking
the wrong question, right, because it's not really a question
of like who has the most in common. It's more

(07:45):
question of well, what's orthodox or what's not? Does that
make sense?

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (07:48):
That makes sense because yeah, I was talking to my
mom about it, and like she was looking at churches
in her area and it's like it's like, oh, well,
this is this church, and I'm like, no, if the
cops don't go to.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
That, yeah, yeah exactly.

Speaker 9 (07:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (08:00):
And then yeah, that's just the second thing I had
was like, so I'm a I'm a young dude.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm twenty.

Speaker 11 (08:06):
I'm in my third year of a psychology degree. And
the more I studied it, the more I've realized that
it's just like retarded socialists, like Jewish.

Speaker 13 (08:17):
Nonsense, what is and like psychology, oh, psychology.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Like I got into.

Speaker 11 (08:23):
It initially because I really wanted to like help kids,
like I you know, I kind of like it's it's
been a thing I wanted to do, but now I'm
like looking into more like I'm still a Catechuman, but
I'm like looking more into getting into priesthood and things
like that. But the thing is, I have this now
I'm too far into the degree to stop. Now I

(08:44):
have to finish it out. I'm three years in, so
I have like over twenty thousand dollars in debt and
I was just watching your video on like advice for
young men and just like finances and all that and investing,
but I have this twenty five huge debt looming over
my head and I can I'm trying to get into

(09:05):
the field and all that still just because it's you know,
I have the degree, some might as well use it
or I will have the degree. But my question is,
just like would you say that it would be a
good idea to just like full bore, Like I know
you're not a financial advisor, but like just full b
or pay this thing off so I can start investing
and doing all this and get into all this. Or

(09:27):
should I invest a part of it and put part
of it into the student.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Loan and all that. No, So the great thing about
student loans, and I went through all this is that
you can always you can defer those a good while,
and you can also get really low payments. So put
that off as long as you can. And what I
would do, I can't tell you what to do, but
what I would do is put that off as long

(09:54):
as possible and buy BTC. And you know, if you
don't want to get into investing in all that, the
easiest route is to just treat That's what I would do.
That's basically kind of what I ended up doing. I
got into a fortunate situation with where my grandmother when
she passed away, actually paid off my school loans, so
that allowed me to be debt free. And then anything
I did in terms of business, when I eventually did

(10:16):
start a business and whatnot was all just straight to bitcoin.
So bitcoin is at a discount. And again you don't
have to do this. People, Okay, if you want to
do the Boomer route and do gold, do whatever you want.
I'll just tell you what I do, what I think
is the best bet. You got another discount. Everyone was
whiting when Big one hit one hundred and twenty whatever,

(10:37):
one thousand, oh and then you no one. You should
have been buying it when it was eighty and then
now that it's back down to eighty nine, nobody's gonna
nobody's buying. It's going to go to zero and I'm
sitting here at buying. So again, I do the opposite
of what the market is doing. That's what smart money does,
the opposite of what dumb dumbs do. The dumb dumbs

(10:57):
dump it when it's going down, right, But you do
what you want to do. Now, if you want to
get started with bitcoin, if you go to the show description,
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(11:22):
only company. There's a link right there. Yeah, so all
you're doing is selling your bitcoin. Everybody dumping their bitcoin
is just so stupid. You're just giving it to black
Rock and the Whales. They're just they're the ones that
are going to buy it all up. So they they're
smart and they knew this from the stock market, and

(11:43):
once they came into bitcoin, they just did the same
thing they did with the stock market, where they they
shake people out and then buy it up. So we
didn't get one fifty. I thought we would see one
fifty or two hundred. We didn't get it. It looks
like the bare trend is in. So we're in. We're
now out of the the bullmarket. We're into the bear market.

(12:05):
So but guess what do you know that the way
that you make money and you become wealthy is the
bear market. Now, I can't tell you what to do,
but I'm saying that's how I approach it. That's my belief.
The bear market is where things are cheap. Right, So
if we go into a bear market for the cycle, well,

(12:26):
good news. Now you've got time to stack before it
goes to one. What's up, dude, dosign? What's up?

Speaker 14 (12:51):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Hello, Sorry I was muted. Okay, what's up? What's on
your mind?

Speaker 11 (13:00):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
You know this was a while ago, you know that
like complete bomb professor.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Dude, Yeah, the smug one. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I figured out you know what I think it's called bracketing,
is you know, a huge earle. So one of the
biggest like complete the feeders of evolution. And I think
this is an original argument. I think, I mean someone
else might have said it.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Is that evolution requires this notion of death, right of
dying of the animal dying, and so that's why it
has to you know, evolves to survive.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
But what is death?

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Because when you see things through a sensory angle and
you you you bracket your your mental scaffolding, you don't
see anything die. You know, the animal just kind of
lies down and it turns into a bunch of other stuff, right.
I mean I've been reading Ovid's Metamorphoses and this is
what he says at the end, which I totally disagree with.
But his argument for like basically soul transmutation, you know, reincarnation,

(14:01):
is that, well, all sensory things just turn into new
sensory things, turn into new sensory things. Right, So from
the most empirical standpoint, wouldn't you just assume some kind
of form of reincarnation. So where the hell does this
this concept called death come from. It's not there in
sensory appearances. You never see anything.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Die, right, It's an interpretation of the events. Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Before you can get any sensory events. Monty I think
his name is Perlew Monty talks.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
About this pont phenomenologist.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, what the fundamental thing that like undergirds all things
is uh pro I think he calls it. I think
it's a retention, which means like memory, and then pro tension,
which is anticipation based off of what you've remembered. Right, well,
memory is not an empirical thing, you know, you can't

(14:55):
measure memory, and so in order to for the materialist
and naturalist what ever, to even describe a lawful set
of things occurring in the external world is to presuppose
that this mental activity that is in your mind not
insensory things, exists universally everywhere, and that everything, all external
objects possess in them this unempirical substance that is memory

(15:19):
and anticipation based off of prior memory.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yea, And yeah, these are great lines of critique. I
like it. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (15:29):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Another thing is, so I read that paper I think
you briefly mentioned about Maximus's Confessor's neoplatonism. As soon as
you mentioned it, I looked it up and I read
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Is that the one where where Maximus the Confessor kind
of implicitly kind of it's almost like the person to
him kind of becomes like just like a function of God.
It kind of loses his personhood in this is that
was that the paper?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I don't think Maximus would say that.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
No.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Oh, I'm my fault that it must have been some
other What what was it?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I'm not sure what. I don't remember what we're talking about.
I mean, I remember when you called in, we had
a conversation. But usually when this comes up, it ends
up being a referenced the Stephen Clark paper on Maximus
and neo Platonism. But I don't remember. I mean, there's
no way Saint Maximus wouldn't say unless I reference the

(16:26):
other paper about Eunomianism neo Platonism. But you're saying Maximus,
I just don't remember. I'm sorry. Oh, okay, got you?

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
I thought it had to do with something about the
gnomic will and how the noomic will kind of doesn't
he implicitly imply it kind.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Of Maximus talks about that a lot, but no, he
just says Christ doesn't possess the noomic will. Okay, got you? Yeah?
Hold on, that makes sense. So the paper I was
thinking that we're talking about is Maximus the Confessor of
Logos and Logi by Stephen Clark. Mm hm is that it?

(17:00):
Or you talking about a different paper. I think no,
I think it was a it was a different paper. Okay,
I'm not sure which paper that is.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Then, Yeah, have you read Nietzsche. I've also been reading
Nietzsche recently too.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I've read like Genealogy of Morals at Cahelmo Anti
Christ It's a couple other things that had a grad
class just on Nietzsche. Oh got you.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, And I think Nichche's is very like Surprisingly, he's
pretty consistent with his ideology because obviously the modern like
people who they like, hold completely contradictory positions, right, so
they went to say that, oh, everything's just scientism, you know,
it's just meaningless blods, but then simultaneously appealed to these
higher moral values.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Right.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
And then obviously, as you know, Niche heavily critiques that.
And and here's the funny thing. So the leftists and
liberals think Niche is their guy. He they think he's
on their side because he critiques Christianity is heavily right.
But if you read his work, especially in Twilight of
the Idols. Yeah, I'm not even joking. His critique of
Socrates is a phizy. Uh, it's physiognomy, says that o

(18:06):
Socrates was ugly.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
That's a reputation that's funny. Yeah, yeahs She's actually an
insightful person that Christians should read. So I think people
get surprised when I say that. But we shouldn't be
afraid of Nietzsche because really what he's critiquing is like gay,
you know, like liberal, the rise of liberal Protestanism in
his day. So the ritique doesn't really even apply to like,

(18:29):
you know, classic worth Arx Christianity. That's why he's Actually,
he's actually insightful in a lot of his his critiques. Czarist,
what's up, man, But thank you for those insights. Appreciate that.
BJ says, I don't know who's right about the Candace stuff,
but it's all entertaining. We don't need the government to
give us bread and circuses. We can make our own
bread and circuses from the drama exactly, Nutmeg Donkey, five dollars.

(18:52):
Candace be the type of the type of girl to
imply you murdered her friend on a dream and intuition
astrology level woman in pistemology. That's funny, Kendred Dale, five dollars.
I love your stuff. God blessed, Thank you. Michael two dollars,
Thank you so much, Kindred. What's up? Orthodoxy Emotion two dollars? Jay,
you booted me from the stream on accident. I'm Joey. No,

(19:12):
if your thing doesn't connect sometimes I'll just remove you
because if it just sits there spinning, that means that
your connection is not connecting. Czarist, what's up, hey day?
I had a really quick question to ask you.

Speaker 12 (19:24):
Lately.

Speaker 15 (19:25):
I've been seeing people post on Twitter here about polygamy
and they're trying to argue for the position, and I
was curious, do you know if, like any canons or
any councils that specifically condemn it verbatim. I know that
there's some church fathers that read like Turtullian. I know
Justin Martyr talks about.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
It, but well, yeah, the canon, the canons of Orthodox
Church tell you that you can only marry one one woman.
So I mean, if that's what you mean by canons,
that is our canonical tradition. You know, the canons that
deal with divorce and remarriage also shed light on this issue.
But I assume you're talking about like the Protestant guys

(20:04):
that are trying to sort of revive that there's one
Protestant due that went viral for his name over this issue.
But I mean Christ has the ability to uh, since
he's the one that gave the law, and he made
a concession under Mosaic law, he has the one to
also rescind that concession.

Speaker 15 (20:24):
No totally, And a lot of times I've dealt with them,
I've used kind of the argument using Luke ten sixteen
kind of as like the apostles have authority, it's binding
by Christ, right. It says basically, if you listen to them.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
You listen to me.

Speaker 15 (20:36):
If you check them, you check me and the one right,
It's kind of the basis and then going from there.
So I've been trying to argue out from that and
find like specific councils, but I have found some father
So I just didn't know if there was like any
specific council that had like a condemnation of it.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
I knew, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there is a
canonical I just don't off the top of my head,
like what, what's where specifically polygamy is verbally I meant
this sounds like a very Protestant argument too, like like
you can't draw an inference like oh, if the word
polygamy isn't mentioned, then it's not you know what I mean,
It's like.

Speaker 15 (21:06):
A don't totally. I just wanted the most airtight argument.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yeah, Chad, what's up, dude? I appreciate that. Candice the
popa Yakubians. How dare you speak in such a way.
There's only one pope of the Yakubians and you're on
his livestream right now? Chad? What's up? Atheists? Makes atheists

(21:40):
cannot make sense? Your livestream is late. It's uh. A
wizard arrives precisely when he tends to, and he's never
relate JT. What's up? He wants to talk about Joe's witnesses.

(22:01):
What's up, dude? Yeah, what's up?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
I was just a guy messaging about the cult stuff
and JW's.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, I remember, what's that? What's on your mind?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I just like, I think it's just the Typically when
people stay calt, aren't they like referring to like an
infallible leader that is taking advantage of a bunch of people,
either like financially, you know, sexually, that kind of thing.
I just don't see where JW's spin.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
No, there's nothing about a cult that requires it to
have one single fallible leader. You could have a decentralized cult. Okay,
So I mean I think usually when people talk about cults,
they usually pick out, you know, various commonalities that many
known cults do have, right, Like, you know, controlling of

(22:57):
the person's life in an extremeessive way, irrational rules and
laws that don't make any sense, but you do them
to just sort of show obedience. You can have decentralized
cult leaders that aren't like at the top of the
you know, it's not like the every cult has to
have a pope or something. I mean, you could have

(23:18):
you know, like some of like scientology. You could have
one leader, but then like you know, underlings that are
also cult leaders. So there's no I think the disconnect
is that you're saying, well, Jehovah's Witnesses share some similarities
with Catholicism or Protestantism or whatever. Then how can you
call Jo's witness as a cult and not call all

(23:40):
these other things cults? Well, what defines a cult is
going to be coming from the right or wrong paradigm. Right,
So in other words, if Orthodoxy's true, then we are
correct in calling Joah's witnesses a cult, and the fact
that there's some elements that Joe's witnesses do in common
with other religions doesn't excuse it from being cult, right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
That makes sense. I guess then what I wonder is
like what you're actually saying.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Or like okay, so how about this? How about here
you go Charles Tay's. Russell creates a new translation of
the Scriptures that says Jesus is a God and denies
fundamental ideas like the atonement, like the death on the Cross,
like the Trinity, and those are easy immediate cult markers

(24:32):
right there. No different than Joseph to Joseph Smith, same thing.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Okay, but like you you would, like Vicky would, or
they would obviously have like biblical backing, for.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It doesn't matter that they don't have a Bible. As
I said to you in response to your questions, they
have a new world translation that he came up with
that interjects that Jesus is a god. Can you show
me any scripture prior to any textual tradition prior to
that recognized in the Christian world that affirms that Jesus

(25:07):
is a god? And John one?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
No, I get Okay, Look I get like your your
theological objections, and I'm not going to really.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Be able to I know, I don't really it's not
my theological objection. You don't think that's true?

Speaker 3 (25:21):
No, no, no, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Saying, do you know what the New World translation is?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Okay, yes, so you understand like its most controversial element
is John one right, yes, okay, can you give an
example of it? Can you give an example of any text?
Just like I would ask a Mormon about Genesis fifty, because,
for example, Mormons, they have a Joseph Smith translation where

(25:49):
Joseph Smith wrote himself into Genesis fifty as a prophet.
Right now, if you, as a Jehovah's witness person, I'm
not saying you specifically, but for the sake of argument,
if a Jovah's witness could recognize that that's a fraudulent
action on the part of Joseph Smith, how is it
not the same identical type of fraudulent action when John One,

(26:10):
for the Joe's witnesses, calls Jesus a god, you're a
polytheist if there's more than one God?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, I mean John one one specifically, Like their argument
is about has to do with the definitive article not
being on that second, right, Like, there's a grammatical like
reason why there, And I get it's because they're already
coming in with the belief that the Trinity is kind
of like a made of things, so.

Speaker 9 (26:39):
Like obviously they would choose to translate.

Speaker 11 (26:41):
It that way.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
But it doesn't matter. So where in the history of
any of Christianity prior to this was this, any textual tradition.
You're not understanding the argument. I know that the Just hush, dude, listen,
I know that theologically you think they have a defense.

(27:02):
That's not the argument I'm making. Set that aside for
a moment. I'm saying, look at Joseph. Look at Joseph
Smith's action with Genesis, right, he puts himself into Genesis fifty.
Where prior to Joseph Smith, is there a Genesis fifty
with Joseph Smith predicted nowhere? Okay? Yeah, Where prior to

(27:23):
the Joe's Witness translation that we're going to trust Charles
Day's Russell and Judge Reinhold or whatever his name is,
Judge whatever, Judge Judy the successor to him, Where is
that prior to that? And then you touch it? Okay,
so do you see them that this is a clear indicator,
a red flag for a cult leader.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Okay, but but like just one second on that, like
they would say that there are other reasons, like like
taking the entire context of the Bible.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Okay that have you read Hebrews one? No, I look, Jay,
I'm not arguing for it. I'm just I'm just I
know that you're not. And I'm telling you that to
just say, well, there's other texts, other things. This is
sort of this is a deflection because what other texts?
Where is the where is the argument for Jesus being
a lesser deity? Where's these other texts?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Like what thing that they would make those arguments?

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I know that you're saying that.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Like my my main question here about even just the
idea of a cult is that like why are you
willing to call like I get that you think that
are you?

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I'm not trying to make me into you of it.
Like I've literally answered every one of your questions with
absolute precision multiple times and you just keep repeating the
same point. So you're apparently not getting it. I said you,
I said again, there are key indications. No, you're not.
There are key indicators and markers such as the example
that we just gave with Joseph Smith and Genesis fifty

(28:59):
and Charles tay Russell and John One. That's one example
of an indicator of a cult where a new guy
pops up and says, everybody before me got it wrong.
I'm the new guy who's figured it all out. That's
a key indicator of a cult. Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
I think that is a great point, and it's like
a very good argument for them.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Being a cult.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
But like I'm not necessarily asking you, like like.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
I bring up there.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Their argument that like the whole Bible would would.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Uh, that's not an argument. That is a deflection when
I start going to the other places in the whole
Bible that also teach this doctrin Youerson, I did a
three hour talk against Shoe's witnesses on the Trinity in
the Old Testament. If the Old Testament he is the Trinity,
then the whole Bible where Futre chose witness No, I know,

(29:52):
you just keep saying, I know, I know, I know.
So then what does your argument that they would say
the whole Bible teaches against it. That's not an argument.
Do you understand that's a deflection.

Speaker 12 (30:02):
Also, everybody outside of Job's witness identify them as a cult,
so it's not just Orthodox.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Everybody does.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
Like, so we're all wrong about that they're a cult.

Speaker 16 (30:22):
No, no, no, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Even like like, I'm not even saying you're technically wrong
that it's all I'm just saying, like, what are we
actually saying here?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Because like, so again, bro, I'm not sorry, You're you're
too You're this is too slow, man, You're I have
answered this multiple times. I'm going to answer it again.
There's no self evident idea of what a cult is
that a dictionary will tell you so that you can
identify every cult. It's going to be dependent upon the
paradigm that you have. So if I'm Orthodox, then ultimately

(30:54):
I'm going to think that things like those witnesses or
scientology can are cults, and I will think that things
like rom Catholicism or perhaps even Protestant pastors can be
cult like. So you're not understanding paradigms in the way
that they work. And I answer that literally in everyone
your supertenz and four times I'm not sure to me me, man,
It's just like I think when we answer stuff. People

(31:17):
don't stop and listen to the answers, and they're already
thinking of what they want to spout out next, not
listening to what I just said. That's super frustrating for
people like myself. When you don't listen to what I
just explained to you, you can have ample time to
move on and work through the next topic that you

(31:38):
want to talk about. But if you don't listen to
the explanations, I'm not going to keep talking to you
because you're not listening, there's no point in me continuing
to do that. I was invited on a person's podcast
the other day. She asked me the same question four
times in a row within thirty minutes. I answered every

(31:58):
time with precision and new wants, and at no point
did she listen to any of the four answers before
repeating and spitting out what she wanted to say next.
That's not a debate, that's not a dialogue. That's you
doing propaganda, and that's not a conversation. So we can
have a debate or conversation, it doesn't matter me. You
do whatever you want. You can tell me, hey, I

(32:20):
want to come out of a debate, Hey I want
to have a conversation. And again I appreciate your superchest,
but every time you asked me that, I answered you
with the exact same thing. Jehovah's witnesses have certain characteristics
and qualities which identify them as cults and cult like
just like Mormons, just like scientology. And I started listing

(32:42):
them and you said, well, they have an answer from
the Bible. Okay, let's go to the Bible. Well, I
don't care about your theology from the Bible, because that's
what they would say. You're missing the whole point. You're
not getting it, juice box, what's up? I set us up, dude.

Speaker 13 (33:00):
So I come from a more like non uh, non
denominational Chrismatic background, and I understand that the Orthodox they
don't think that like miracles don't exist or.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Whatever however Protestantial frame it.

Speaker 13 (33:12):
But like in the chrismatic circles, they they're really into
like like the healing and the laying on of hands
and of all that kind of stuff. What would you
what does the Orthodox think of those kind of chrismatic miracles?

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Wait, just a bunch of bull crap. I have a
multiple podcasts kind of working through all of the charismatic stuff.
Appreciate that. Christier. What's up demonic? Yeah, yeah, I think
that's that that too exactly. So, by the way, for
those that are interested, I have a uh we have
a two hour talk here. Oh hello, just a minute,
hold on, just a second, two hour talk? Can you

(33:44):
just a minute, bro? So hush, chewing in my ear, dude,
only I get the chew in your ear and spit
and make noises. Uh. There is the link right there
for Trinity in the Old Testament. This is just Genesis
and Exodus. Okay. Now there's a part two for members

(34:05):
that goes to the rest of the Torah. Here is
another talk some years earlier, a three hour talk refuting
Joba's witnesses called is Jesus God and is the Trinity
in the Bible and in the Old Testament. So, if
you're a Jobah's witness or if you're a Unitarian, how
did salvation question? Hush, dude, I'm not going to you yet.

(34:26):
Just chill bro, let's see. I think there's a delay. Okay.
So on one of the great ways that you can
actually kind of in a back doorway, refuge those witnesses
is through the Trinity in the Old Testament. Okay, pay attention.

(34:49):
Because the New World Translation scammers weren't swift enough to
figure out that they would also have to take out
all of the Trinitarian references in the Torah and in
the Profits. They didn't do that. They weren't swift enough.
They thought that they just kind of fixed stuff in
the New Testament, right like John one, that would be enough.

(35:10):
So if you can actually show from their fraudulent New
World Translation all of the references to the Trinity and
the Old Testament, guess what, that's game over for Toe's witnesses. Okay,
now we can go to you. What's up man, I'm mute.

(35:33):
I'm mute, Christ Seeker, I'm mute. It's your time now, bro.
There must be some delay because he can't hear what
I'm saying. Okay, it's open for him. Guys, we're still here.
I'm just now starting to get sassy. But don't worry.
I put my nicotine pouch in, so I should be
good to go. I should be calming down. Also, my

(35:55):
honey green tea has a little bit of sugar in it,
so my diabet us anger and rage, my diabetes demon
won't be kicking in. Let's talk God. Five dollars do
you think about? What do you think about Netflix buying
Warner Brothers? I didn't. I didn't know that. I'm not

(36:17):
sure what to think about that. Carlos Carlos, Hey, do
what's up? Bro? Carlos? What you're doing? Carlos? What you're doing? Bro?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Bro?

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Do you barely on? Mudy?

Speaker 5 (36:37):
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Speaker 1 (36:37):
Carlos Manion? You gotta get a better internet, dude. You
gotta get rid of that aol Bro. We can better
hear you. Hey, Carlos man where are you at?

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Your Internet or your diet up and working? Bro? Christ
Cigret won't try again?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
What allows us to access God's divine energies?

Speaker 1 (37:07):
God's imminent presence? God is eminently present through his energies?
Are you there? I'm sorry man, we're just not being
able to connect here. Epistemic Anthony. What's up, dude? That's

(37:29):
a name right that I don't got a name right?
I'm you bro?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
All right?

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Can you hear me now? Barely? What's up?

Speaker 17 (37:46):
All right?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
So I was I was debated.

Speaker 17 (37:49):
I live in basically evangelical boomer toward land rural iole.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Okay, I like where this is going.

Speaker 10 (37:59):
I was having a discussion with some boomers, and you know,
one of the points I was making to them was
that just because God can do something doesn't mean that
he always is doing it.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Sure.

Speaker 17 (38:16):
And I realized when I was having a discussion with that.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
For example, God can create, but he's not eternally creating,
all right, I.

Speaker 17 (38:24):
Was thinking that it's like, well, that actually refutes absolutely
my simplicity, doesn't It's like.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
That's the defeat against what's called modal collapse. Correct.

Speaker 17 (38:34):
And then the other thing I was I was noticing
is that there's a confusion.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
In excuse me as the fea for modal collapse, not
against the excuse me. I want to be precise, Go ahead,
go ahead.

Speaker 17 (38:50):
There's a confusion in all of Protestantism where they create
these unnecessary dichotomies between like, oh, is it Christ or
is it the Sacrament? Is it God or is it
the Church?

Speaker 1 (38:59):
False? I their or is correct.

Speaker 17 (39:01):
And a point that I made to them was that,
you know, it would be nonsensical if I were to say, oh,
I'm gonna go to the grocery store to get some food.
It would be ridiculous for someone to say, well, your
food comes from a farm or not, not the grocery
support exactly. But then that's kind of again like another
after effect, like an echo of Roman Catholicism, because that's

(39:21):
like the same error in Philly.

Speaker 18 (39:22):
Okay, it seems like I'm misunderstanding misunderstanding the the the economy,
I guess, like the divine economy.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
I mean maybe I think phillykay is more actually rooted
in a couple mistakes, like thinking that it's it's some
way to also prove the duty of Christ, or it's
also rooted in absolute divine simplicity, so uh yeah, tangentially.

Speaker 17 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's all I.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, and also to yeah economy, right, like, yeah, I
see your point. They're like the fact that Christ sends
the spirit, it doesn't follow from that that he must
also be the eternal producer of the spirit. Yeah, I
think I see where you're going with that. Oh, that'll see.
We got Alex Jones singing a little Wuhan song here.
There's a classic I remember this.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, well, the alm Sorry we tell you.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
We can't.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
Do it's my man killed them all to be.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
On every time about listen that it makes me laugh.
I mean the first time I heard it. I was crying, laughing.
It's just so ridiculous. I love it. Let's see what
else we're going to get to some more super chats.
All the callers have finally filtered out. They've all I've

(41:20):
warned them all down. Everyone has been worn down. Oh,
Chad's back, Chad Haman, Yes, sir, awesome.

Speaker 19 (41:33):
I want to say thank you for all the work
you've done, especially like your debates with Tim Gordon.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Thank you man, like mad.

Speaker 10 (41:40):
Dealing monkey and stuff.

Speaker 19 (41:42):
Appreciate that I've been like deconstructing my Protestantism for a bit,
realizing it just doesn't work. So like I don't know,
like how many questions can I ask you?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I guess because I got I got a.

Speaker 19 (41:57):
Lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Pie high number ten is pig ten? Oh? I think
it's at height? No, just what's the question? My go ahead?
I just wanted to do things past ten. I'm just

(42:20):
messing with it to go ahead.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (42:22):
If it's like if I'm arguing, for tag, like how
do I show that God is the precondition for transcendental categories?

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Well, I would argue that like none of those so
those things those I would argue those things don't exist
in a vacuum independently discreetly of themselves. They all kind
of relate to one another. For example, you can have
knowledge without a knowwherre right. So you've got to have consciousness,
you got to have external world, you got to have
universal categories, you got to have meaning, purpose, et cetera.

(42:54):
All of those types of things kind of go together.
And even Phaser admits like they're not independent. They all
kind of like necessitate and relate to one another. So
I did a talk on this called from Tag. We
just named it from Tag to Trinity. So I would
say start here because I gotta put the jay dire.

Speaker 12 (43:16):
By the way, you don't have to make a tag
from transcendental categories.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
You don't have to do you don't have to do nothing.

Speaker 12 (43:24):
Yeah, well, everybody gets transcendental and thinks, oh, it's an
argument from transcendental categories.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
That's not necessarily true. Okay, that's just how I make
You can make it different ways, but I've understood it.

Speaker 12 (43:40):
Morality from empirical experience exactly knowledge, uh laws.

Speaker 19 (43:47):
Like like transdent categories though, what's that? Or there's not
transcendental categories empirical matter, No, like empirical experience.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
You said, no, that's no, that's not a transit category.
What counts as like a transcendentive category? I mean, just
look up the stuff like Aristotle's categories would be examples
of that kn't basically just takes Aristotle's list of categories
and then makes them preconditions for the possibility of knowledge.
So the route that you're going is a more abstract,

(44:18):
very difficult role. It's a lot easier, like FDA said,
if you want to make a transcendent argument, just go
from like ethics, right.

Speaker 19 (44:26):
What if they're like a relativist, they don't they don't
believe in ethics and stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Well, that's even easier. That's easier.

Speaker 20 (44:32):
Yeah, okay, like like yeah, that's just it's it's easy.
I mean, it's it's.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Really easy to refute relativism.

Speaker 12 (44:48):
Like even apart from tag.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It would be the what would be the line.

Speaker 19 (44:53):
Of argumentation because like, from what I've seen is just
like you have to trap them into saying that in
society's ideas about wait, the Jews, you know, like like.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Uh lozi journals relative, then why aren't they right?

Speaker 12 (45:13):
You know, No, you don't even need to go there
it's uh, we go over the Center ethics class and
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Even sure this guy's a theist. The uh Schaeffer's the author,
you get.

Speaker 12 (45:29):
So, relativism and subjectivism is defined as that the individual
is the standard for morals and that their standard is
not binding on any anybody else. So what that means
is that they're engaged in uh if my they're engaged

(45:52):
in a performative contradiction because what if my standard?

Speaker 1 (45:56):
So let's call relativism P.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
M HM.

Speaker 12 (46:00):
So they're admitting that each person has their own individual
moral standard. Well, my moral standard is not P, so
they have to affirm both P and not P, which
is a contradiction.

Speaker 19 (46:17):
So that is so that's a perspective and moral moral
relativesines is that the individual is always right about.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Their about what they decide is moral.

Speaker 19 (46:27):
And so because they're always right and individuals contradicts.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
It's not a question whether they're right. It's just that
they are the final arbiter like that even if it's
even if they're wrong, they can still determine that that's
wrong or that the right is the wrong. So it's
just making the individual subjective. This is making the individual
the final court of appeal. Okay, by the way, father digging,

(46:57):
didn you say you're so? If you come come over
here to patristic F eight. There is a playlist called
philosophy classes. When you talk about your ethics? Is that is?
There is that in here as well? What it cut out?
Did you say that again? So I'm over here on

(47:17):
your playlists and one of them is philosophy classes? Is
do you is there an ethics lecture here? I see
kantient ethics discussed? Is there anything else here?

Speaker 12 (47:26):
If you type in relativism mm hmm in my YouTube channel,
you'll probably find that. But I mean that's the contradiction,
is that they have to both firm and deny the
position that says their position is wrong.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, I'm just saying. I'm thinking that he needs to
probably check out your talk on that. That's what I'm
trying to That's what I'm trying to find. Is it
refuting relativism here five years ago? Yes? So if you
go to his page you can, Yeah, there's a there's
a two you're cutting out. We can't hear you, but
I assume that's what you're There's a two hour talk

(48:05):
and a ten minute version of it. From FDA right here.
If you get his page and you type in relatives
in there, what's up? John Zanini sins fifty dollars. There

(48:25):
we go. Super Chat's popping off, he says, read my
mofo chat. This is big money. Ye ja ya ya, yeah, yeah,
you better lock them doors. Nobody's getting out until I
see forty thousand exactly. He read my mind. Oh wait,

(48:45):
somebody sent me a funny preacher clip. I was gonna
play where's it at? Oh? Crap? Who sent me that?
I gotta remember who sent it? I was like, oh,
I gotta play that. Dude. Crap, dude, who was it?
J John, what's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (49:04):
I may have some insight for you into why people
are enjoying the Candice Show.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Please feel Free.

Speaker 9 (49:13):
So once she has a personal connection to the case
and she appears very endearing. I mean, I've listened to
probably all of them because it's very interesting sociologically, and
I got to admit it's very entertaining. But also if

(49:34):
you're a seasoned conspiracy theorist like us, it's interesting to
see like how people like It's almost like they're on
a conspiracy theory theorist journey in real time. And I
think people find that endearing because they themselves like we

(49:58):
you know, obviously you I we talked and known each
other for you know, ten plus years probably, and.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
You know how you go through.

Speaker 9 (50:09):
Phases of learning different you know, stuff about how good
or bad things are. You're going with Canvas on her
journey of kind of learning these things. Obviously she didn't
she was a very green kind of uh you know,

(50:30):
green meaning she didn't know a lot of stuff. She
was a ultra maga conservative type. And now she's coming
to knowledge. Like you know, you made a reference to her.
Even when I've called in, it's like she's talking about
things that we talked about ten years ago. And so

(50:53):
there's also people that are involved with it, you know,
because a lot of times on the on her show, oh,
she'll like audience members call in and give her tips
to certain things. So she has so like people feel
involved with the whole thing. Mm and the entire audience

(51:14):
feels like they're contributing to the you know, finding it,
finding out the mystery of who murdered Charlie Kirk. So
there is a collective involvement in in this whole thing,
and I think that's I think that's why she's captured
a lot of audience.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
That makes sense. Uh, oh, I know, I think I
put it in my bookmarks. Yeah, I appreciate that. John.
Let's see, somebody sent me a thing. No, damn, somebody
sent me an awesome crazy Protestant pastor and I can't
find it now. It was really funny. Maybe I'll find

(51:55):
it for the next live stream. Uh, all right, we're
gonna get we're winding down here, Jay, what's up? Where's
that black dude that screams at me? He needs to
call back in La Boy? What's a.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Hello?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yeah? What's up? Okay?

Speaker 21 (52:11):
So so recently so I learned about Orthodoxy.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
It's a good context. I was very protesting, but I
haven't been.

Speaker 21 (52:20):
I haven't attended church since a big thing that happened,
you know, in twenty twenty, A big thing. Yeah, this weekend,
probably a Sunday. Impan on visiting a church an a
little church. I think it's Russian. Uh, what kind of
advice would.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
You get sworn in my position?

Speaker 21 (52:35):
You know, he's truck's getting back at this kind of thing,
wants to get closer to God again, and it's quite interesting.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Adolsy, Yeah, a good question. I would say, find a
you know, like an Orthodox prayer book. You can usually
get a little uh like ten fifteen dollars ones that
are that are good. Get ready to get get used
to praying the Psalm. So get an Orthodox study Bible
if you can. I would say check out documentaries like Icon,

(53:06):
the three hour Icon documentary. You could watch something like
Fountain of Immortality documentary. Uh that kind of gives you
an introduction to the liturgy, the theology of the liturgy,
and uh yeah, that's that's what comes to mind. But
great question. Zoi, zoi, ZOI three dollars. Check out Zootopia.

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(53:48):
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(54:11):
Five dollars, Jay, you whooped me up. My pregnant wife
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(55:19):
thing that turned me away from all the atheists. These
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nine cents. I love your work. PS. I know you
don't like that chemical patriarchy. But he was held hostage
by the Turks for six hundred years. Well, I'm aware
of that. I'm specifically not a fan of Bartholomew. It's
not the office of the ecumenical patriarchy, so I'm not
sure why you would think I don't like the I
mean that goes back to, like you know, Byzantine times,

(59:26):
that goes back to the ancient Roman period. Look up
the story of Patriarch Gregory the Fifth. The alliance with
the CIA in America was necessary to survive. No, I
don't doubt that. We've talked many times about many of

(59:47):
the patriarchs were put into very difficult positions between saying
the Cold War, the KGB, and the CIA. So in
British intelligence, I'm very aware of that. People. I think
people just they have all these assumptions. I'm not you
for saying that, and you're a super chat but like
people just assume that all these like really black and
white positions when I talk about very difficult, challenging, historical,

(01:00:09):
nuanced stuff. And I think I'm very fair and I'm
not just black and white, especially on that kind of stuff.
A Carus, what's up man? Hello, Hey, hey Jay, thanks

(01:00:30):
for having me on. I think I just going on.
So I'm not with the entire context.

Speaker 14 (01:00:34):
Of what's happening, but I wanted to ask an idealistic question.
Is that Okay, yeah, so the question is just around
I guess uh, listen the Conservative movement for an example.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Ideally, everyone want to have like a like a Christian
majority run countries. It doesn't have to be a theocracy.

Speaker 14 (01:00:56):
But given the difference in denominations, who should say that
conflict will just arise again between Christian people.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah. I actually actually did a stream the other day
about how Christian nationalism would not work for precisely the
reason that you're laying out. I see, you would have
to have a majority of Orthodox Christians who want an
Orthodox monarchy before that would even be plausible sit it

(01:01:29):
against right. You would have to have a majority Orthodox
Christian population who wanted an Orthodox monarchy before it would
even be plausible to discuss an Orthodox Christian state. Ultra bolt,

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ultra bolt you want?

Speaker 22 (01:01:57):
I mean, I appreciate your stuff. I always appreciate the
book recommendations.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Not here to debate.

Speaker 22 (01:02:04):
I just wanted to pick your brain on two different questions.
So the first one is I just want to get
your thoughts on like performance enhancing drugs and the nuance
with that. Everything is from like caffeine all the way
up to like adderall on steroids. People tend to like
abuse the nuance and these types of things, and I
was just wondering, like, what's your thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Stuff like that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Again, I think you hit the nail on the head
with the word abuse. None of these things are in
themselves bad or evil. It's all has to do with
excess and abuse. So you know, I don't think there's
any big deal when it comes to caffeine, nicotine, any
of these kinds of things. I'm pretty flexible and a
lot of that stuff, So I mean, I'm not a

(01:02:51):
lib But also like people, I think people over like
you don't hear me over here, like you know, preaching
a lot of basic bitch moral posturing type of stuff.
I just think that stuffs really low tier when people
get all hyper focused on moral minutia and trying to
pick everybody apart, like for example, on Twitter, you see
this like in an extreme way where like, oh, let's

(01:03:14):
pick apart the fact that this dude wore shorts when
he went to church, and it was like, you don't
know the context, Like I walked in up the street.
This is like ten years ago. I walked out of
the streets one hundred five degrees in San Francisco and
I walked in. I didn't realize I was next to
the cathedral, the Rocort Cathedral, so I wanted to go
in and see the relics showed out. So I shouldn't
have done that because it of one hundred five degrees

(01:03:35):
and I happened to be next door with shorts, I
mean people, And it wasn't a church service, you goufas,
it was a going to revere the relics, even though
I had shorts one hundred five degrees. So people just
love to get online and pick people apart for very
petty moral one up stuff. And the same thing had
happened in the domain of I don't know, like legal, legal, CBD,

(01:04:02):
medical marijuana, like all of these things. I don't think
that they're a big deal. The only thing that is
a big deal is if the things become addictive and
you abuse them. That's when it's a big deal because
it becomes an idol. Right. So the same thing with
like if we go back one hundred years, there was
a lot of places where the local apothecary could prescribe

(01:04:24):
you some form of cocaine or some form of opiate
because of illness or pain, or you get your leg
cut off in war or whatever. I mean, people just
act like puritanical retards about all this stuff and it's
just dumb. And I think it's the same with the
stuff you're talking about. People just want to have some
petty way to feel like they're better than everybody. It's

(01:04:45):
just really weak. So when it comes to that stuff,
I tend to not really have much of an opinion.
Also when you get into the more when you say
the performance and I don't know about that stuff. I
know what this injection for weightlifting, I'm not into that stuff.

(01:05:06):
I don't know about it.

Speaker 22 (01:05:11):
So yeah, I was just because there's a lot of
nuance to it. So everything from like nootropics to like
TRT or like pull blown steroids. I feel like people
tend to, like you say, like, uh, you know what
is it called?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Like yeah, yeah, I mean there probably is some line there,
like with you know, I like, I don't know, there's
probably some product that's like in between supplements and steroid
and it's like the gray area. I don't know. I'm
not into that stuff, don't. I mean, I just don't
know enough about that stuff. But I think with any drug,
be it you know, a hard drug, a not so

(01:05:48):
hard drug, steroid, or whatever, Like any of those things
could can conceivably be dangerous. It's not the substance in itself,
it's the time and the place and the application of it.
So like, you know, I'm laid up in the hospital
bed because I'm a Civil War soldier and I got
my leg chopped off in the Civil War fight. Yes,

(01:06:09):
you better give me some opium or whatever. Right. Oh,
I guess you took opium. You're a drug. You're a druggie.
You're going to hell. I mean it's just retarded. It's
like that's an appropriate time for that, right. But if
it's like every night after work, I'm over here, you know,
smoking opium like Sherlock Holmes or something. No, that's that's
an abuse, dude.

Speaker 17 (01:06:29):
Okay, I appreciate it.

Speaker 22 (01:06:30):
I have one more question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
If that's good. It's not related, okay, okay.

Speaker 22 (01:06:36):
So this one is about like wrathful prayer, so like
for God seeks engines.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Oh, like in precatory prayers. No, I don't think there's
anything wrong with in precatory prayers. I mean they still
exist in the prayer books.

Speaker 22 (01:06:51):
Okay, Okay, yeah, because I was thinking the other day,
it's not like a bleeding hard thing. But I was
seeing like the map that's going around on Twitter of
like the percentage of abortions, I mean, the percentage of
pregnancies that end in abortion.

Speaker 17 (01:07:05):
And some of these rates are up to like eighty.

Speaker 22 (01:07:08):
Plus percent and stuff like that. You know, you just
got to give it to God. But in that sense,
you know you also pray for vengeance.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Well at least that's how I yeah, I don't think
there's anything wrong with praying for God's justice. I mean,
there's many psalms that pray that way. In fact, you
can find Russian prayer books, Russian Orthodox prayer books that
pray for the victory of the Russian or the Christian
emperors and kings against the godless Hagarens the Muslims. Same principle.

(01:07:39):
By the way, this is one of my critiques of C. S. Lewis.
I love C. S. Lewis, love his works. However, he
doesn't have the best theology. I mean, at times he's
like extremely insightful, it's great. He even gets really close
to being a tag right doing tag. However, his book
on the Psalms is terrible because he struggles with whether
a Christian should pray the impregatory prayers. It's like, are

(01:07:59):
you a Marsian? Like, why would we think that's wrong? Anyway?
Uh rule Rui Tech Sarah. I want to express my support.
You presented us with the theories of doctor Wolfgang metaaldic
uh and the guy who warned us about the Tussami.
He's talking about like a skit I did back in
like two thousand and seven. It's like one of my
earliest YouTube skits, all the way up to the black

(01:08:22):
dude that predicted the Tussami. You deserve my money? Well,
I like the way you think, and yes, I definitely
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(01:09:31):
from a long time ago.

Speaker 23 (01:09:33):
I don't know what to see what it is. Which
one is this one?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Oh? Yeah, I remember that book. It's probably a decent introduction. Yeah,
I would if you progress beyond that one, I would say,
get something like the Yar slav Pelican set. Just get
the first three. You don't have to worry about the second,
the last two of the it's a five volume set.
The first you're the only ones that are that are good.
You read those first three, you'll be like, very well
schooled on the history of theology. We have more likes

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Speaker 24 (01:11:02):
I got a question about kind of evolution. I'm Protestant,
not like not really too thrilled about it, but I've
been interested about Orthodoxy. I went to a Christian school
in Nashville and there was a lot of Coptic Orthodox

(01:11:26):
Christians that it just really kind of like scared me
of I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Don't know what's like, what's going on with that?

Speaker 24 (01:11:33):
And the school taught us about evolution and like a
kind of weird way, so I just don't know how
to reconcile. Like to me, the position is either evolution
is fake or evolution is is God is what it
seems like, and it's hard to be in like that Medtal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Position, I guess. So, I mean, I think you know,
you can look at what we can tritiqued within the
first hour of today's live stream, and more specifically, if
you're interested in the critiques of Coptic Monophysite stuff, we
are on part four. So you see this right here
on the main page Oriental Orthodoxy. Refew to part four.

(01:12:18):
If you want to go deep, you can watch all
four of those. It will get pretty heavy and technical.
But we've been working through those for a good while now.
If you want a more concise, just single version, David
Rhan did a stream right here called Severus of antiox
Meophysite Christology and Context, and that's one of the key

(01:12:43):
crucial kind of classic refutations from our perspective. Pravoslavia. What's up? Hellope, yes, sir?

Speaker 16 (01:12:56):
Hey, right, Jay?

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
How's it going good? What's up? So is it okay?
If I can take a little time to get some backstory.

Speaker 16 (01:13:03):
And while I'm asking the question, what's it about, it's
regarding the current situation of ro Corps and the Greek
Orthodox Church in the US specifically, Okay. So I am
a Russian born baptized and my parents.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Moved over to the US. So I grew up here
and we were attending the roll Corps church for ever
since I was baptized.

Speaker 16 (01:13:30):
So it's been you know, like twenty years, and the
church is very far from where I lived. So we decided,
all my parents decided that we moved to or not move,
but start communing in the Greek Orthodox Church of America.
And as I got older, I started to realize that
it's going downhill. The priests is taking new converts that

(01:13:51):
are American that are kind of not accepting the traditional
values of the Orthodox Church and what we do. So
when I sit down with the guys there and I
talk to them about this, they don't want to talk
about it at all. And now that I see that
the Econmanical patriarch is meeting with the Pope as well

(01:14:13):
as Patriarch Carrill of Moscow is also a meeting with
the Pope, I'm seeing that there's really no way out
for the churches in America. It's making me want to
move to my motherland, where my parents are from.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
So do you mean that like I mean, there's plenty
of churches in America that are not going to go
along with that. So what do you mean I go
along with the patriarch in Moscow? I thought you was
about the patriarch of the ep.

Speaker 16 (01:14:41):
Even Patriarch Carrill goes and meets with the Pope as well.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Meeting is one thing, but calling for reunion is a
different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Well in the Russian Church right now, I mean there's
a huge problem.

Speaker 16 (01:14:53):
Where not in America but in Russia that they're seeing
these these meetings that he's holding and that they're not
agreeing with a lot of our church elders in Russia
are saying the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I agree, I agree. I'm just saying, like I thought,
I misunderstand that you said you're talking about the MP.
I was thinking the EP.

Speaker 16 (01:15:12):
I not. I'm not Greek, so I don't really feel
at home in the Greek Church, right, I'm Russian blood
and blood through and through.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
So no, I think you're You're right that ecumenism in
the PUSH is going to effect everywhere, and it is
in the MP for sure, and the EP. It's worse
in other places like the EP. But uh, I mean,
as long as there's faithful Orthodox bishops that don't go
along with it, it's just like it's just like Florence.

(01:15:41):
You know about Florence, right, Yeah, so this is Florence
part two. So I have a question for you.

Speaker 16 (01:15:47):
Then, does your Roco church, like in prayer, acknowledge the
patriarch in Moscow?

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah, until there's a specific reason to not acknowledge the patriarch,
which includes some form of sin decision, then yes, we
still do mention them in the diptychs and whatnot. But
the if if this stuff continued, Rocorps is independent it's
not it doesn't have to do what the MP says.

Speaker 16 (01:16:16):
Yeah, but so I mean my idea of of of
moving away and leaving the US because we have our
own little villages in Russia you know that that don't
really you know, we have priests that they don't agree
with with the patriarch, and they'll there were times where

(01:16:38):
the priests would go and do communion for people in
their homes, or they'll have liturgy at home.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Or in someone's home when we have situations like this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
So I just want to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Know your thoughts on like what what you're thinking. I mean,
I don't yeah, I don't have So I've had multiple
friends that have moved to Russia and have tried that.
One of them was there for about a year and
not because of any like personal problems, but when the
war started they kind of got told they'd need to
probably move back. So, I mean, it can be difficult.

(01:17:12):
If you're an American trying to do that who's not Russian,
you will probably have an easier time if you're you know,
a native of a blood Russian and if you speak
you know, Slavonic or whatever, it's probably you know, probably
gonna be easier for you, but no, I don't have
any plans to move so, but it's going to be

(01:17:32):
tough for everybody, but ultimately in the wrong long run,
like we said, like, it's going to be okay. Zeph says,
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the Russ Manion paper. It was way off the heasy
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me just vast sums of money for that left. Seattle
Rob says coloss Is one fifteen in the New World
translation is more controversial. They add other to make Jesus
a creature. I understand it's not the only controversial passage.
The only reason I say John one is more controversial
is that John one is like the most famous passage
right for deeed of Christ. But yeah, you're right, there

(01:18:40):
are other There's plenty of scammering and nonsense in the
Job's witnesses in WT for sure. JTM, the guy that
was talking about James Joe's witnesses, says again, I was
trying to listen to you. I was trying, honestly to
stay on track. I do not think you're mean. Well,
thank you, JT. Appreciate that. I think. Let's see. I

(01:19:12):
think that's all the YouTube super chats Fallen Angel twenty dollars.
I listened to you and Tim Gordon talk about what
a woman is? Are you talking about the documentary? Are
you talking about the interview that we did. I think
you're talking about when he popped on the live stream
of the day, or maybe a different interview. Do you

(01:19:32):
have a lecture or a book on what an Orthodox
man is? I mean no, I don't. I mean I
have talks on what our advice for men? I mean
we've got a bunch of those on my channel. And
then somebody's asking about, oh what about look, I mean
any of the anything. It's like Paul says, anything is

(01:19:55):
good in itself when it's used in the right way.
At the right time and not abused. So it's not
a question of is it wrong to drink or right
to drink? Is it wrong to do this or that's
it's the right, appropriate time and place, And as Paul says,
to the righteous man, all things are lawful because the

(01:20:15):
righteous man is going to use things in the right way.
So it's a question of whether you have the self
control and the discipline, not a question of whether anything
is inherently evil. Does that make sense? So it's like gambling.
Is it wrong to gamble? Well, if you gamble, you're

(01:20:40):
engaging in a way that in something that could very
easily waste your money and you could be addicted. But
in another sense, anything is a gamble. You take a
gamble on a business venture. Is that gambling? Well, there's
no rather than trying to find like black and white

(01:21:01):
laws of what I can and can't do and if
I tick all the boxes of I didn't do all
the bad things and so I'm better than everybody else,
which is what most people want to do with this
kind of stuff. Think about it that from the Vansias
point of what I just said, where Paul says the
righteous man is able to interact with all things lawfully
because he's going to use those things in the right way.
He's not going to abuse them. But that doesn't mean

(01:21:22):
oh well, then I can just go, you know, shoot
up heroin as long as I only do it once. No, no, no,
you got to be wise about this stuff and not
be childish about this kind of stuff. And anything that
takes over you is going to be a vice trandiction.
So just use common sense. But when it comes to

(01:21:42):
a lot of these things, like I don't know anything
about steroids and weightlifting enhancement. I don't know about those stuff.
I can't even tell you. I don't even know. I
don't know how they work. I know that it makes
your balls small, Like I don't know why you would
want to shrink up your your junk and why do

(01:22:05):
you want to look like some sort of weird monstrosity,
greasy beast. I don't understand. To me, it all seems
kind of gay. I'm not talking about what father Moses.
Moses do is powerlifting. That's great, that's a way to
channel that energy and all that. And actually he just
did a video the other day. I thought it was

(01:22:26):
really good on why powerlifting is good for ascetic discipline.
That stuff's good because he points out, like, I'm not
doing this to try to look like some kind of big,
hulkin gay dude you know on Instagram or whatever. But
look at this stuff, Like, to me, this stuff looks weird. Dude,

(01:22:47):
I just don't understand it. I've never understood what the draw.
To me, it just seems kind of gay, dude to
try to be like this. It doesn't look like a
real person. It looks like some sort of a cartoon character.
And it's, oh, look that dos bad ash. It's like,

(01:23:09):
but he that's but there's no way you can get
that way without steroids. So to me, it seems like
this is just whoever perfectly figures out how to do
the drug right and do the cycle right, and they
all shrink their junk. It's like I don't understand. Yeah,

(01:23:32):
but it takes a lot of Yeah, I understand it
takes a lot of work. But like, I've never understood this.
It doesn't I would like to be a little more
bulky and a little more defined. That's it. That's that's it.
Like that's good for me. I don't need to look
like to look swollen, you know what? I mean, it

(01:23:54):
just looks weird to me. I don't get it. Now.
I'm not calling everybody who's into a bodybuilding weightlifting gay.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying the obsession with trying
to get to where you look like, what does this
even look like? I don't even know what it looks
like to look like this dude, to look like jesse

(01:24:23):
Lee Peterson right here on the left, that's jesse Lee Peterson.
And even worse is when the chicks do it. Oh
my gosh, dude, I mean that's fake, but like, let's
see if we can find a It's so gross when
I see the chicks doing this, man, Oh whoa dude?

(01:24:49):
What the heck? It gives me the A couple of
these bodybuilding chicks followed me on Instagram too, and I
was like, why are these chicks following me on Instagram?
Maybe they thought, oh, he's in with Father Moses or
something that like that. Just they just look like dudes
to me, man, It's like what and what kind of

(01:25:18):
dudes are into these this kind of a frame on
a woman. It's like what I mean? I mean, that
chick's got a she's got a nice face, but she's
more buffed than me. Dude, that's gross. If you have
a fantasy of a chick that's more buffed than you,

(01:25:39):
I think you're gay. Dude. That's you've got something going,
some gayness happening. That's the only reason you would be
into Oh yeah, I want to I want to chick
to destroy me in a over the top like freaking
so Lesia saalone and over the top. You get this.
This is what you get in response to that.

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A c five dollars. I am a metal goober ballo
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people are Gods. Sons and daughters are only those in
the church. Sons and daughters. To be a son of
God requires baptism, right to be in Christ. The rest
of them are made the image of God. They are
sons of Adam. But not everybody's the son of God. No,

(01:27:08):
it's this, it's this Sceneesy ten dollars. I think you remember,
I remember you saying tag justifies Christian God. Can you
want Yeah, dit a video on it's called from Tag
to Trinity. So I'm not trying to be annoyed. It's
just like that, it's just been I've been answering that
question for seven years at the same I'm not mad

(01:27:33):
at you for the super chat at all. Appreciate it.
It's just the same question for seven years, or the
same atheist debate for twenty years. It just gets old, man,
It's just gets heard of it. Josh DiNapoli five dollars.

(01:27:53):
I'm debating my Greek pagan friend. He was into Hellenism.
How should I have approach it? What about books and points? Well,
I mean there was a debate with a Greek pagan Hellenis,
but he was Aristotilian tweetaphon the long lost Tweetophon debate,

(01:28:17):
which I think was on the early early days of discord.
I don't think that exists anymore. I think it died.
I mean it could be archived out there somewhere. People
are like digging up debates that I forgot even existed,
like that Matt Chats interview on Byzantium. I totally forgot
about that. But Menestheus another great Clips channel. Shout out

(01:28:45):
to Menestheus he uploaded here you go Pagans and Arians
debate Jay. These are good and then the two hour
famous Mark Brahman debate Racial Subtexts. This was a class
sick where we interacted with and debated the pagan Mark Brahman.

(01:29:06):
And this one's a classic. So I would say this
one will be a good one to watch right here.
Menestheus also found this one that's cool, me debating pagans
and Arians. And then there's also Boglor Dave is a
classic Jay Dire versus Boglor Dave from six or someven

(01:29:32):
years ago. Right here, they're of their words or something
like that. Correct, you know, I look at all of
these debates from like six, seven, eight years ago, they're
all like coming back around in Vogue, Dude, in Vogue

(01:29:52):
magazine two taon ten dollars, evolution is true because the
Black Magic Science King told me it was exactly exactly.
I mean, I like the way you think. So we've
come full circle. We're back to the very beginning of
today's talk. All right, thank you so much. I'm exhausted.
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Betrayal: Weekly

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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}Pt 3 - Candace/TPUSA, Evolutionary Fan Fiction: Response to Professor Dave & OPEN DEBATE & CALLS