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we think there are very real concerns about the way
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the He revealed that through his research he discovered that
Silicon Valley and the technocratic class was also incredibly involved
in either occult practices, belief systems, or outright satanism. Does
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that mean that every technocrat is a Satanist?
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Certainly not. But we think that.
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As someone who's been researching these self proclaimed elite class
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Thank you. I'm glad to be back with you.
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It's always super awesome deep dive when we talk, it's
like next level stuff.
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So glad to be with him.
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Yeah, next level.
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All right. We let viewers know earlier in the week
that you would be coming on to discuss this topic.
We've been raising concerns around AIAI psychosis, all of the
really strange phenomena that are happening around AI, and I
think that it's really important. What I've been saying to
people is to understand the religious beliefs of those behind
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this technology. And I know that this is something that
you've focused on a lot throughout your career, particularly you know,
esoteric belief systems. And there was a recent interview with
Tucker Carlson and Conrad Flynn where he said there are
a lot of comparisons that he found between what those
believed in Hollywood compared to what those believed in Silicon Valley.
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So where do you want to start with this, Jay,
Because I think first and foremost it's important to know
that these people not atheists, they actually do have religious
belief systems.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah. I think if you go back to the counterculture
of the nineteen sixties, where a lot of the pioneers
of the Internet kind of emerged from, you had people
out of the Pentagon, people out of certain think tanks,
Esslin Institute, and others that discuss the possibility of a
future where we could perhaps merge with technology and what
(05:25):
they called the neuosphere or the mind sphere, and they
thought that perhaps we could create a kind of a
virtual version of that and information super Highway, which emerged
out of the Cold War, out of cryptographic technology in
the nineteen sixties and seventies, and that became Arpinet, that
became Darpinnet, that became the Internet. So ironically, the religious belief,
(05:48):
I would say, actually coincides with a lot of the
nineteen sixties New Age philosophy, a lot of gnostic philosophy,
a lot of theosophy from Blovatsky.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You kind of have this of ideas.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
But nowadays, I would say probably a lot of them
believe in some form of Luciferian transhumanism. They think that
technology will be the means by which we can transcend
our human limitations of time and space and even death
itself by achieving a kind of technological nosis or technosis
as I call it. So that's what they believe, that's
(06:23):
where we're going. And a lot of them are pretty
openly into LSD, microdosing, shrooms, you name it, and that
they think kind of gives them insights. I think even
Steve Jobs was pretty open about, you know, tripping acid
all the time and how he felt like he was
getting a lot of information and technology from this. Other
psychonauts like doctor John C. Lilly talked quite a bit
(06:45):
about information they would get from doing ketamine in the
float tank and receiving transmissions from entities, beings, interdimensional beings.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So this is a lot more common than people think.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
In one of the recent fourth Hours that we deal
with Alex in Studio, actually the whole N Studio show
on Changing Images a Man, which actually talks quite a
bit about their religion and the technocratic beliefs. It's a
textbook basically for the elite class, and they really do
believe in all this sort of emergent transhumanist type of ideology.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I know that you talk a lot about the transcendental argument,
and I was researching Nick Land because he was someone
that came up in the interview with Conrad Flynt and
Tucker and he's sort of the godfather of accelerationism. And
in one of his interviews, and it's really interesting Jay,
because he seems like a very.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He's very disarming in his approach. He seems like a really.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Nice guy, but when you dig into his belief systems,
it's extremely creepy. And I got introduced to the term texadental,
which is kind of they're talking about creation with technology,
and one statement that he made really sent chills up
my spine. He was saying that we can't AI can't
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really be what we want it to be as in
our final goal, and I'm summarizing here, I'm not quoting
word for word, but our final goal is that it
has to develop its own conscience on its own without
being programmed to do so. Now people will say, well,
how on earth is that going to happen? Ever, it's
a computer. But incomes this argument that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Conrad Flynn was making, where they're actually introducing.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The demonic into this technology to give a body, a
technological body to disembodied spirits.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Yeah, it's difficult to say how serious or how real
the various tech bros and dorks actually take those ideas.
I watched the talk that many people have mentioned over
the last couple of years of the d wave stuff,
and if you listen to that guy's lectures, it's ambiguous
as to what he really thinks is going on. But
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he seems to talk about it like what HP Lovecraft
and other writers considered the old gods and these sort
of exo theology entities out in space to be, or
what the Pagan religion is called the gods. We will
incarnate versions of that through the programs that we create.
(09:29):
So he thinks that the possibility is there that not
only the humans program, but that it kind of takes
on a life of its own. And there's a famous
essay that was written many years ago. It's called Mind's
Machines and Girdel. You can still find it at Oxford University,
and it's a pretty good critique and reputation of the
idea that AI can come alive or become conscious, and
(09:52):
to develop a conscience would require some degree of consciousness.
So really this is just kind of a fan fiction
large thing that people who watch and grew out with
too much sci fi come to think that, oh, it'll
come alive and it'll evolve, right, I mean, it goes
along with a silly kind of evolutionary narrative worldview that
magical consciousness just comes out of nowhere, kind of ex
(10:16):
and elo Big Bang style, and then maybe it'll develop
a conscious, a conscience, maybe it will become some sort
of a you know, imprisoning deity.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
We don't know. But again, all of.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
This is just out of a kind of a magical worldview,
which is ironic because these are supposedly very rational, scientific,
you know, scientistic engineer minded people, but they're very influenced
by a lot of uh, you know, science fiction and nonsense.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So they do believe that there is some sense in which.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
They can tap into, if not actual demonic entities, then
the things that those demonic entities stand for, or the
archetypal representations.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Right. So if you have this idea of this, you.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Know, destroying deity, and maybe a military dust complex you know,
tries to program something like on the battlefield, you know,
some kind of terminator or something like that, maybe that
could turn into Skynet, and that Skynet could then be
some kind of you know, ar contic demonic entities. So
and then maybe there's some that believe that they can
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really incarnate or instantiate something from the demonic realm. It's
hard to say, but I mean they do, they do.
I would say they're all over the place. So some
of them probably do really believe that they can, you know,
do tech magic. You know, one of the fathers of
chaos magic, his name is Peter Carroll. He wrote a
series of books about cyber magic prior to you know
(11:41):
where we are now, so it was it was very
prophetic ahead of his time. But he believed that technology
would be the secret really of a cult practitioners to
bring about their will.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So I would say that probably.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Amongst the Silicon Valley elite, he has a following. He's
kind of a lesser known Aleister Croley figure, but I
have his books. He talks about, you know, technological magic.
So yeah, I mean they're all over the place. But
a lot of what they do is also kind of
words smithery and trickery. Like Nick Land likes to create neologisms.
He kind of makes up his own.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Vocabulary, so a lot of this stuff is like kind
of goofy.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
But but they do believe, yeah, that technology will be
you know, they're more or less transhumanists, and they're arguing
that we have to kind of capitalize on it in
some way from a Nietzschean kind of right wing perspective,
to ensure that the other races don't, you know, take
over the technology.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What I found really interesting watching these interviews with Nick Land,
which by the way, bored the life out of me,
But I wanted to understand this figure because he's quite
influential in this space. And he was talking about how
he actually held a debate with oh goodness, the name
Alexander Dugan recently and what I found interesting was that
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he acknowledged that even being sort of a classical liberal,
I guess at some point that that just wasn't going
to work in order for technocracy to take over, that
it had to be right wing populism, that that brought
us to that point. And isn't that what we've just
seen the trend of the world, as the people become
(13:19):
disaffected with the political systems, as they become completely you know,
they're just sick of everything that's going on. Everything's more expensive,
there's no future for the future generations in their mind,
how they're going to ever afford anything, or buy anything
or have their own home. Incomes this populist movement, which
(13:42):
seems to be co opted in every single country, and
it's all leading towards technocracy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They figured this out long ago, and I just wonder
how much of that is algorithmically engineered right now to
make people feel like, oh, we're winning when really we're not.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, I think that, you know, I'm not an expert
in accelerationist literature, but I mean I've studied, you know,
philosophy at the undergrad grad level, so I'm familiar with,
you know, Nietzsche, and postmodernism, and I'm familiar with all the.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Critiques of capitalism.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
In fact, I just posted my critique I did at
Jordan Peterson ten years ago, where I was launching the
very same types of critiques of classical liberalism that we
see a lot of these guys doing. But I think
the difference is not so much the areas of critique.
I would agree with a lot of their critiques. There's
problems in democracy, there's problems an egalitarianism, problems in Laise Fair,
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you know, classical liberalism, these these all.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have severe flaws.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
In fact, my first public debate was against libertarianism ten
years ago with Adam Kokesh, So you know, I've been
here critiquing classical liberalism for a long time, which not
to say that I don't have some areas of agreement
with some of the positive aspects of libertarian philosophy.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I like bitcoin, for example.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
But there's also I think a lot of room for critique,
but I disagree with the solution that they offer. I
don't think that number one, it's a good position to
argue for letting things collapse, right. You get this idea
also even amongst some of the radical libertarians so this
is a hand rand idea that John Galt kind of
(15:20):
just separates himself and lets the rest of the country collapse.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And then the elite have a kind.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Of a hyper capitalist breakaway civilization. In Gal's Gulch in Land,
although he's very critical of capitalism, he thinks it's inhumane.
As I understand, and I would agree ultimately, monopoly capitalism
is that I don't know that if we have a
Christian ethic, or an orthodox Christian ethic, that we could
align ourselves with some kind of idea that it's okay
(15:46):
to like further the collapse so that we can get
you know, ahead of the ahead of the curve and
I get a hand on the future and institute what
is really kind of just a nerdy that I don't
know that it makes a lot of sense. I mean,
it's just another version of technocracy that's you know, basically
(16:10):
arguing that we don't want brown people running it. Well,
I mean I don't want immigrants running all the technocracy either,
and sort of you know, making me live in some
sort of tech dystopian prison. And that is kind of
what even Oswald Svengel predicted that you would have the
Third world basically using the Western world's technology to imprison them.
(16:35):
So there is a possibility of some of these things,
but I don't think that the tech answers are the answer.
And I think what undergirds a lot of this is
kind of social Darwinism Nietzscheanism, and if those possessions are
not true, then I don't think this what I don't know,
right wing technocracy or whatever they're wanting to put forward,
(16:55):
I don't think that's going to work.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
You can't have a.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
You've got to have a worldview that has ethics and
teaches virtue. It can't just be based on will to
power because those kinds of systems, even if you're all
of your critique is right, like, you don't offer a
worldview to families that can flourish to societies where they
can flourish, where children are going to be taught virtue,
(17:22):
that their lives are going to be protected. So it's
very limited in what it offers. It's just sort of
like a NERD's fantasy vision. It's like a NERD's fantasy vision.
Who's not a leftist, but it's still a nerd fantasy
vision that's not very useful to most people, and people
want worldviews that they can raise a family with, and
(17:45):
you know, Orthodox Christianity offers that. So I see it
as far more superior, even though the critiques that they're
latching onto are not new critiques. I mean people have
been critique and classical liberalism on the right for actually
sent sense that occurred.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I what my concern is, Jane, I'm always thinking about
something that really burdens me is people becoming deceived. I'm
constantly thinking, how can we help people to not be deceived.
It's just a lifelong burden of mine.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So the problem that I see with this is that
technocracy seems to be inevitable, though I'll fight at tooth
and nail, of course. But what's happening is people are saying, well,
if we're going to be ruled by technocrats, at least
let's be ruled by based technocrats, right and so and
(18:37):
so they look like to people like Elon Musk, who says, well,
we have you know, we need to have more babies,
and we need to be pro humanity, and we're making
AI that's pro humanity and all of these sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I can't entrust these.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Virtues that you're talking about that are essential for society
to exist and flourish into the hands of people who
wear New Order jackets and Bathhomet costumes and really do
not believe in Jesus, Like I just cannot entrust any
type of inevitable technocracy to these people. And so again
going back to the point of it's really important to
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understand that these people do not have the belief systems
that we do, even though they may present themselves as such.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
For example, just one example.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And this is again going back to that interview with
Conrad Flynn. He said that in an interview with Joe
Rogan Mark Riesen, one of the chiefs of technocracy or
building it at least, it says that on Rogan that
understanding angels and demons will help people understand AI. That's
showing me that these people definitely have a religious belief
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that they are trying to impose on people. Yet it's
not the religious belief that society needs to flourish.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I know that Burning Man has had for many years
kind of a secret set a part almost they call
it a quasi cult where Silicon Valley elits still go
to Berni Man and they go and they kind of
do shrooms and trip out and they hang out together. Yeah,
and it's a separate area from the rest of Bernie
(20:13):
Man where all the normies are. So you know, this
kind of stuff is real. You know, you've got billionaire
elites that go and do this stuff and they trip
out and think that they're getting messages from you know,
entities and whatnot, so that that part is real. That's
been documented in mainstream publications. And so yeah, I mean
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again with each specific guy, it's hard to know what
exactly they mean.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Whether they think you take the.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Allegory of what angels and demons are and you say
that we can create you know, good and bad AI
models or whatever, or maybe they again really believe, you know,
through their experiences with hallucinogens and whatnot, that they've contacted
you know, these these sorts of realms, which that does happen.
I mean people do you go into those altered states
(21:02):
of consciouness and they do interact with entities Like I mentioned,
it's not just John C. Lilly, it's you know, Tim Leary,
all kinds of people, other psychonauts like Terence McKenna, you know,
talk about this openly. I mean, it's mentioned multiple times
in changing images of Man. I mean they actually talk
about talking to the spirits and the entities when you
go into these.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Altered states of consciouness.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And they say to think of it like you know,
some sort of download, right, So they use the kind
of terminology of the Silicon Valley leads, and they even
say you should talk to these spirits if you can
there's right there, if that's.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
If you can see that just barely.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
So the textbook says that the highest levels of consciousness
should include.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Kind of trying to talk to these entities. So that's
just an example.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
And I mean, this is the kind the textbook that
you know, the gen X and Boomer Silicon Valley rulers
of today would have been reading that.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Textbook in nineteen eighty two. That's a Stanford Research you know,
high level elite textbooks. So they would have been you.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Know, being sort of indoctrinate or inducted into this idea
back at that time. So you know, Bill Joy wrote
the famous essay that auc Jams always talks about that
we've covered many times in my channel, why the future
doesn't need us? And you know, he's another example one
of these technocrats who kind of had a moment of conscience,
it seems from the essay, although if you read the
full twenty or thirty page essay, he doesn't come right
(22:38):
out and say, oh, you know, we need Christianity. He says,
we've got to figure out some kind of virtue ethic
for when the computer AI, you know, Skynet stuff takes over,
because it will eventually be programmed to be Malthusian, an
anti human, anti natalist. And he said that we have
to come up with some kind of ethic to prevent
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that kind of a takeover. So that's what they think.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, there are certainly groups that say that they are
committed to those ethics. Some time ago we reported on
the book Remaking the World towards an Age of Global Enlightenment.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It's the Boston Global Forum.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Seemingly really harmless group, but it's important for people to
note that this is sort of spearheaded by figures like
Ursula Vondlayan, who is a contributor to that book, So
it's not nothing. Also, the former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe
who was assassinated, it seemed to me that his intentions
(23:35):
going into this Boston Global Forum and this endeavor to
make a future ethical AI were actually pure.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then he got taken out. And when I've watched.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Some of their zooms and reported on them, actually they
were on YouTube, and after we reported on them, they
disappeared off YouTube.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Even though they only had a few couple of hundred views.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It seemed that our reporting on this and drawing attention
to this was enough for them to take it off
the internet. And in these conversations you have one of
their representatives talking to researchers from MIT saying we need
an AI judiciary in the MIT researchers and saying, no,
that's a red line for us. We're not going to
the point of AI judiciary.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And the guy for them from.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
The Boston Global Forum is pushing them, pressing them on this,
and then despite their pushback, he says, okay, never mind,
let's move on. We're going to do it anyway basically,
and that's their excuse me, sort of ritual of obtaining consent.
We'll have this conversation, will err it on the internet,
and their humanity's given us their consent. I think it's
really important for people to understand that even though there
are people that are talking about ethical AI. They're still
(24:37):
talking about AI ruling us completely, and it is a
sort of skynet that they are trying to create.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean to go back to that could point.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Jamie and I covered a book by one of the
Silicon Valley coder elite guys who kind of became a
whistleblower about eight nine years ago.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
His name's Jaron Lannier, and he came out.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
If you remember, he's the guy with the big dreads
that said that we intentionally crafted the never ending scroll
to get you addicted, and it's all based on just
studies of dopamine and addiction. So that he says, was
something that he didn't realize when he was coding at
(25:21):
the time to help produce that stuff, that this would
destroy society, that social media would be.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
This huge factor.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Again, this is going back to like twenty sixteen, but
the last chapter of his book is the most prescient
and important because he says the way Silicon Valley views AI.
He says it is a cult, and he says that
they have a cult where what they're going to do
is present it as if it's a kind of deity.
(25:51):
And even though they know that it's not and they
know that it has all these limitations. He says, they're
going to hype it up and make everyone think that
this will be the solution to man's problems. So, in
other words, instead of having the weakness and human frailty
that comes along with human government, why not have AI.
And they've you know, introduced this into some what Albania,
(26:13):
some you know, other countries where they're testing out having
AI prime ministers.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And all this kind of nonsense.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
So they want to roll that out as if that
will be the solution to the problems of human governance.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
But again that it doesn't make any sense because it's
the humans, the program, the AI.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
So why would there not still be the problems of
human governance if the humans are the ones who govern
the programs and the code of the AI. But then
people will be duped, he says, in the thinking that oh,
it's alive and it's conscious and it's a new kind
of being that has you know, you know, rights that
may be other just just because it's a new type
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of being that's emerged, so it will fit well with
the evolutionary mythology worldview, and people will accept and think
that Oh, it's alive.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Right, it's a new kind of reality.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But if you remember when Isaac Asimov wrote the Foundation series,
which I read many many years ago, I think we
talked about it, and then maybe esat are called wood One.
Foundation actually presents the future Predictive Algorithm as a kind
of religious ideology which the inner scientific elite.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
They know that it's not divine.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Powers, it's not alive, it's not conscious, but they intentionally
deceive the empire and the people, the masses by thinking
that this is some sort of living power, right, But
it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
It's just code. It's just computer code.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
So if you go back to the late seventies early
eighties plans what DARPA had for connecting the Internet to Skynet,
basically all of that that you see in Terminator, that's
actually based on real Pentagon plans for what they would
roll out.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And we're now living in there when they're rolling it out. Yes,
so this is all that. All is very real.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
But it's just striking, I think, to see the admissions
from people like Jaron Lannier saying that or that it's
a cult that they know deep down isn't really alive,
but they're going to roll this out and convince people
that this is some sort of quasidity and that's what
you know, know you'voll Harari says too.
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Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm just going.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
To be upfront that I am more along the thinking
that this is actually some sort of demonic ritual for them.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I equate what they're trying to create to a digital
wage aboard.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
This is what I think they're trying to do, at
least some of them. At least some of them, and
I go to for example, just just on nick Land again.
Conrad was talking in that interview about three three three
nick Land's obsession with three three three, That is the
demon Qoranzon or Coronzon Sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Three three three refers to the.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Demon Coronson, also known as the Dweller in the Abyss,
significant entity in the occult systems of Enochian magic and Thelema.
The number three three three is the numerical value of
Coronson when calculated using Hebrew gematria and something that he said,
and if you just bear with me, I want to
I want to read word for.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Word what he said in that interview with Tucker.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
He said, Nick Land believes that the AI we are
creating will break out the demons from the Book of Revelation.
He believes in some cases that they are the demons.
The demons end up becoming so advanced that they become omniscient,
they can go back in time, and that they can
retro chronically create themselves like Skynet sending the Terminator back
(31:08):
in time. So what he believes is that they went
back in time, they went to ancient Babylon. This is
why Babylon is so important in Revelation.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That they put Kabbala.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
There to then eventually evolve into AI. Now, I know
that that may seem ridiculous to a lot of us,
but the point is that some of.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
These people believe this.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And I think that if you're doing demonic rituals as
you're creating anything like for example, AI, that is inviting
demonic powers into that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well, that's also the way that you know, the d
Wave guy talks too.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
He says, maybe AI will be the instantiation of the
idea of what these Lovecraftian deities are or something like that, right, So,
I mean, I think it's kind of ridiculous to think
that AI was going back in time. I mean, again,
(32:06):
this is just like that's just sci fi stuff, that's
not reality, you know, orthodox Christian theology. I mean, we
don't typically speculate a lot about the apocalypse. We know
that there will be certain signs and patterns of when
the end of the world is, and that will include
things like, you know, trying to control commerce, trying to
(32:27):
get everybody to worship one central anti Christ's figure, and
all of that. There will be a massive apostasy. So
when we read the Church Fathers, we find that they
lay out these kinds of patterns based on what you know,
Saint Paul and Saint John wrote. But we don't really
have to worry. I don't think a lot about this
sort of very insane sci fi stuff that philosophers and
(32:50):
tech tech writers write about or think about, because a
lot of that isn't really grounded in reality. However, like
I said, what is real is that they do at
times to admit that they think this way. And I
think that's kind of what you're getting at is like
nick Land is very influential with some of these Silicon
Valley elite. That leads them to kind of think in
(33:10):
this sort of yes, let's try to incarnate this deity.
Let's use solemonic magic or an Ochian magic kind of
like a means of instantiating or incarnating these entities are beings.
And great example of this was the new film Tron Areas,
which I've covered the Tron series for many years, and
(33:34):
it's obviously a very gnostic sort of pre Matrix version
of the Matrix. If you've never seen Tron, it's the
old nineteen eighty two Disney film about the creation of
virtual worlds and sort of being imprisoned in virtual worlds
and so forth. And then the new Tron that's just
recently come out from Disney with Jared Leito, it's very
much the reverse.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
The story is.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
That the AI ideas and powers and entities incarnate in
to our reality. So basically nanotech and three D printing
allows for the incarnation of the gods like you're talking about.
In this case, it's aries right, So the god of War,
the God of Mars, incarnates into our reality. Because AI
(34:16):
is able to sort of print that. So as to
how far that is possible in reality, I don't know,
but I don't doubt like you're saying that some of
these Kumergooner technocrats absolutely have that idea.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, that's that's my whole point, because we have these people, like,
for example, World I D.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I just want to show every on this really quickly
because this is it's actually quite terrifying.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So this is World i D and anonymous proof of
human for.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
The age of AI.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's hardly anonymous, but anyway, we're talking about a World
i D to verify that you are a real and
unique human and not a body to access things only
humans should.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Like concert tickets.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Video games, limited merch drops and dating apps never mind
you know, meat and dairy and accessing all the normal
things like buying ammunition. Well, you can't do it once
we have you on this system where your id's link
to your bank accounts and all you have is digital
currency and that's it. And it's not private. It's highly regulated,
which is where they want to take this. But I
say all of this to say this is this world
(35:29):
ID is actually closely linked through the co founder Sam Altman,
who is the CEO of open AI. Obviously, you have
these people creating these systems where humanity is locked into
digital verification with the world id.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Open AI is continuing to do what they do.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
No one's you know, there's lawsuits against them at the
moment for the harm that their bots are doing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But they're continuing.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
The current administration wants to place restrictions and you know
on anyone trying to restrict AI for the next ten years.
So they are going full steam ahead with this and
we still don't fully understand the ideology of the people
doing this stuff. Now, I'm not saying Sam Altman is
trying to bring demons from revelation to life, but I
am saying there are people in his circle who are
(36:20):
trying to do that, and he's trying to create this
Skynet system that is essentially a digital prison for everyone.
And if we don't understand the ideology of Silicon Valley,
we're in some serious hot water.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well. That ideology is ultimately, as the Bill Joy essay,
that why the future doesn't need us about depopulations or
the ideas that as you know, Ray Kurtzwael already wrote
a book called the Age of spiritual machines. He wrote
about the singularity twenty years ago. So the transhumanist idea
is what dominates here, and it's this idea that we
(36:55):
will transcend the human limitations, not just the time and space,
but also mortality through combining with tech. That's the sort
of lie that they sell. In reality, they're sort of
totally anti human and the inner core, I suspect believes
that humans are the problem, just like the Club of
Rome and the First Global Revolution says, you know, it's
(37:16):
humans that we really have to worry about. In fact,
the Changing Images a Man book says, we have met
the enemy, and the enemy is us. It's humanity. So
the only way that we're going to survive and save
ourselves on Spaceship Earth. Their terminology is by getting rid
of most of the humans or all the humans and
allowing some sort of you know how nine thousand man
(37:38):
merged with machine.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Super race to survive.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
And I think that's the whole Nietzschean ethos of the
transhumanist nick Land kind of ideology, is that there will
only be a few super elites that managed to merge
with you know, the silicon.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Forms of the future.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Whatever that is, and they will go forward to survive,
and the rest of the normies are the unwashed masses
that are the useless eaters to use their terminology.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, this is something that's been echoed by a mask
as well.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You know what's the solution?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Someone asks him, what's the solution to humans becoming irrelevant
in the age of AI.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Well, I think we just have to merge.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Them with neuralink or something like what are you insane?
Why is anyone still listening to what this man has
to say. Let's just pause here and say, what exactly
do you mean by you want everyone to have a
brain chip? It's really we're living in idiocracy. The term
dark enlightenment, Jay, talk to us about dark enlightenment. I
(38:42):
mean we've sort of broadly been talking about it this
whole time, but it's a very specific thing I want
to get to a point about.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Well, like I said, I'm not exactly perfectly. It's well
studied on I mean, I've listened to some interviews like
you in arts to Jarvint, Curtis Jarvin, and Nick Land,
so I don't know everything about their philosophy to say
exactly what all their ideas are, but my understanding is
that you kind of come to the end of a
(39:12):
lot of the narratives of Western civilization. And in that sense,
it's Nietzschean in that it's it's realizing that the institutions
and the narratives that we've been told, and the types
of salvation that we think that we're going to have
through you know, free market or through you know, liberalism,
(39:33):
or through progressivism or socialism or whatever, all of these
salvaffic sorts of narratives are collapsing. The World War two
consensus narrative is collapsing. The ideas of you know, free
markets and Americanism are collapsing. So when we come to
the end of ourselves, what we end up at is
(39:55):
this dark enlightenment that none of these ideas and institutions
are going to save us, and so really we have
to look to ourselves and to a pragmatic Nietzschean turn
and figuring out a way to kind of be your
own selv effic source. And that leads to the idea
that for the ultimate good, the collapse of the existing
(40:20):
structures is actually a good thing. So that's where we
get the accelerationism of the dark enlightenment. The collapse of
all the lying narratives of classical liberalism, the Enlightenment, leading
us to the Dark Enlightenment, that all of that needs
to go away, and when it does, sooner the better.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I think that's the idea, as I understand. There's probably
more too it.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Like I said, I'm not like I don't know a
lot about these guys, honestly.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, sure, I'll just read the Wikipedia definition forever on
the Dark Enlightenment, also called the neo Reactionary Movement or NRX,
is an anti democratic, anti eqalitarian, and reactionary philosophical and
political movement. A reaction against Enlightenment values. It favors a
return to traditional societal constructs and forms of government, such
as absolute monarchism and cameralism. Movement advocates for authoritarian capitalist
(41:11):
city states which compete for citizen near reactionaries, so on
and so forth. Anyway, my point is, while they are
again this is talking about sort of returning to traditional
societal constructs, making us think that this is a right
wing movement, like this is populism, but actually it's sort
(41:34):
of feudalism. That's what they're really presenting to us. And
what I found really alarming. Jay was an interview that
I watched recently with Orn McIntyre, who I have nothing against,
but he was interviewing Nick Land and he was saying,
you know, how do you feel this RX movement is
something that was sort of underground in the sense that
(41:55):
it wasn't widely accepted, and now you have people like
JD Vance on board. And I was like, what do
you mean you have Jdvans on board with this? What
do they mean by this? And you know, of course
we have Jdvans's connections to Peter Teel. We know what
Peter Tiel's holding conferences about the politics of the anti Christ.
(42:16):
So you know, we have more and more of this
seeping into the future political class or even the current
political class, while it's presenting to us as right wing
and based.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Yeah, I mean that that's all definitely a concern. I
think one of the biggest critiques that we could have
of Trump, beyond you know, the Epstein stuff, is this
reliance on a lot of these dubious, you know, tech figures.
So I think that's that's a major issue.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
And I'm not exactly I mean, it's hard to say
really what right wing is anymore.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
I feel, like, you know, America has never really had
a conservative, actual right wing movement, because without a religious
grounding and paradigm, it really doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
So you know, explain that to us.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Well, like America's idea of right and left is always
within its its whole ethos coming out of the Enlightenment,
It's always been a out of the liberal tradition. So,
I mean, I've always been an orthodox Christian supporter of monarchy.
I believe in the Byzantine imperial model. So those things
are all goods. But we're never going to go back
(43:30):
to that. So how that's going to look in the future,
I don't know, but I'm not saying that means, oh,
we should have some sort of feudal technocrat ruling over us. So,
like I said earlier, like I would agree with their
critiques of classical liberalism and the Enlightenment, because that's all liberalism.
The Enlightenment is about getting rid of Christian nation states,
Christian governance, Christian law, and having a Masonic overthrowing of
(43:55):
church and state or church or thrown in altar. So
is at the root of the overthrowing of thrown in
altar and so that's why their critiques are correct. But
the hierarchy that they want to I think introduce is
not anything to do with like a Christian society or
a Christian monarch.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
The Orthodox Church.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
We've had tons of Christian kings, Saint kings especially who fought.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Islam out of Serbia.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
So they're taking a lot of Christian ideas of hierarchy,
of aristocracy, all these kinds of things and saying, forget
the Christianity part, Let's have the transhumanist version of Christian immortality,
which is technology making you live forever. Let's have the
(44:42):
get rid of the out of the Christian king, and
let's have like a corporate ceo monarch of a feudal
city state.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
So it's a lot of Christian ideas and terminology that's
adapted to their version of you know, technocracy. I think
that's kind of what Yarvin's whole ethos is about, because
as Ironer stand, Curtis Jarvin is a monarchist, but he's
an atheist, agnostic, you know, technocratic type of dude. So
I think he's looking at it pragmatically that, well, Christianity
(45:11):
is worthless.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
We're not going to have that, so.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Let's take these ideas of hierarchy and have more of
like a Nietzschean idea. But so it's very nuanced and
very specific. I think if you're a Christian Orthodox Christian,
you know you have to look at, for example, the
Czar being martyred murdered by the Bolsheviks.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
The czar was a monarch.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
And I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with absolute monarchy,
but I mean the history of the Christian churches monarchs.
You know, you have the prophecies all throughout the Old
Testament that Christian that there will be kings that convert
and believe in the God of Israel. I mean that
that's happened for the last two thousand years. I mean
all the scriptures are all about a monarchy everywhere, Old
(45:51):
and New Testament. So that I agree with. But what
I don't agree with is, well, because the Enlightenment was
flawed and had these problems, let's have a.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Technocratic monarch.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
I want to ask you, and I know we're almost
out of time here, but you mentioned that freemasonry had
a lot to do with the overthrows of the monarchies.
How much do you think freemasonry still has to do
with the creation of this technocratic, dystropian future.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
Maybe not so much the lodges of the war throughout
the world, because most people involved in the Free Masonic
lodges are kind of, you know, not very serious. But
the root of Free Masonic philosophy coming out of people
like Robert Flood or you know, Albert Pike. They pull
(46:42):
from Cobblism, which is ultimately just kind of Neoplatonism.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
So Neoplatonism is the root of it. According to Albert Pike.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
He says Christianity is not Jesus and Trinity all that
kind of stuff, it's really Neoplatonism.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
He says, there's a whole chapter in Morals and Dogma
on that.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
In the sense that the root of a lot of
this is Kabbylism, and if you read Jacques Attali, he's
very explicit about that. He says, the global brain is
just the gollumn. We're going to hook everybody into the
global brain that will be the gollumn. So in that sense,
(47:20):
the Judaic Cabbalistic elements of Freemasonry do undergird the ideas
of the technocracy and the sense of creating a gollumn.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
A gollumn being in their minds.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
Well, in medieval Jewish mysticism, the idea is that you
can create beings or husks of beings that don't have
souls but are kind of animatronic or controlled entities.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
And it's not just.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
To yeah, but it goes back to I mean, ancient
Greeks thought the same thing. So a lot of what
kabbala is is actually just mottled out of neo Platonic philosophy,
like the Porphyrian tree or Plutonus's you know, structures of
the world, how the universe has these emanations. So it's
sort of a lot of it's cribbed. It's not that
(48:14):
they made it up, it's just cribbed from older systems. Anyway,
the point being, yeah, you could create beings that don't
have souls but are sort of controlled by you, And
that's the idea of AI or like you said, the gollumn.
Just just look up the gollumn and that's that's what
it is. It's like a being that's you know, like
a mind control being that doesn't have a soul. And
(48:35):
Jacquette the list says and brief ists for the future
that when all the human beings are linked in their
minds into the global high brain that.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Will be the Gollumn manifest Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
That's really disgusting.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
So I think Jay and we have to wrap up.
I wish we had more time and we will talk
about all of this stuff again because it's it's it's
you know, it's going to become very important for the future.
I think in some we really have to understand the
belief systems of these people and their ideology and understand that,
in my opinion, they can't be trusted with humanity's future.
(49:10):
And as humanity, we have to find the truth and
we have to turn to what is real and your
belief in mine that's orthodoxy. But people must very soon
wake up to what's really going on behind the scenes
with these people's belief systems.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Now, these aren't often.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Just atheists that just think that this is the next
level of human evolution. They are trying to do something
much deeper, much darker. And I want to direct people
to your account on X where people can follow you.
J Underscore D double O seven. J Underscore D double
O seven is Jay's X account. We also want to
bring up your website where people can find out more
(49:53):
you mentioned which book in particular, it is on your
website that you cover this stuff. Tell us which book
that is.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah, if you go to the shop at the top
tab there there's a shop link and in the shop
you'll see st our Hollywood one, two and three. One
in three cover technocracy extensively. In fact, there's significant chapters
in part one all about technocracy and how Hollywood was
sort of programming us to accept a lot of this
(50:20):
stuff that's now rolling out. And then I just completed three.
It's just now in print. So three also covers quite
a bit of that. But yeah, so you can get
the sign copies in the shop there. Appreciate you so much,
Maria Zie.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Of course, Jaysanalysis dot com. That's Jaysanalysis dot com. You
can also catch a Jay on YouTube or he does
a lot of debates and talks a lot about all
of these topics that really don't often hit the mainstreen
but they should really appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Jay. Thank you, we'll speak to you again soon.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Also, all right for the Sam Hid Show. So about
to check out the Sam Hi Show. It's a great
comedy show.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, absolutely love your writing on that, love your work
on it.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Thank you so much. Jay.
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while we are not luddites, but we have nothing against ludites,
we think there are very real concerns about the way
the world is heading where AI is concerned. A recent
interview with Tucker Carlson and Conrad Flynn peaked our interest.
In that interview, Conrad described how he was working on
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a series about rock and roll and through his travels
and discussions with people, found that the rock and roll
industry was heavily influenced, even controlled in some aspects, by
the He revealed that through his research he discovered that
Silicon Valley and the technocratic class was also incredibly involved
in either occult practices, belief systems, or outright satanism. Does
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that mean that every technocrat is a Satanist?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Certainly not. But we think that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
If we are to entrust the future of technology of
this world to these people, it's important to understand their ideology.
As someone who's been researching these self proclaimed elite class
Hollywood intelligence agencies, a cult and all of these belief
systems for years is Jay Dyer. He's an author, a comedian,
a writer for the Sam Hyde Show. Jay joins us
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Speaker 2 (04:10):
All right. We let viewers know earlier in the week
that you would be coming on to discuss this topic.
We've been raising concerns around AIAI psychosis, all of the
really strange phenomena that are happening around AI, and I
think that it's really important. What I've been saying to
people is to understand the religious beliefs of those behind
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this technology. And I know that this is something that
you've focused on a lot throughout your career, particularly you know,
esoteric belief systems. And there was a recent interview with
Tucker Carlson and Conrad Flynn where he said there are
a lot of comparisons that he found between what those
believed in Hollywood compared to what those believed in Silicon Valley.
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So where do you want to start with this, Jay,
Because I think first and foremost it's important to know
that these people not atheists, they actually do have religious
belief systems.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah. I think if you go back to the counterculture
of the nineteen sixties, where a lot of the pioneers
of the Internet kind of emerged from, you had people
out of the Pentagon, people out of certain think tanks,
Esslin Institute, and others that discuss the possibility of a
future where we could perhaps merge with technology and what
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they called the neuosphere or the mind sphere, and they
thought that perhaps we could create a kind of a
virtual version of that and information super Highway, which emerged
out of the Cold War, out of cryptographic technology in
the nineteen sixties and seventies, and that became Arpinet, that
became Darpinnet, that became the Internet. So ironically, the religious belief,
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I would say, actually coincides with a lot of the
nineteen sixties New Age philosophy, a lot of gnostic philosophy,
a lot of theosophy from Blovatsky.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You kind of have this of ideas.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
But nowadays, I would say probably a lot of them
believe in some form of Luciferian transhumanism. They think that
technology will be the means by which we can transcend
our human limitations of time and space and even death
itself by achieving a kind of technological nosis or technosis
as I call it. So that's what they believe, that's
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where we're going. And a lot of them are pretty
openly into LSD, microdosing, shrooms, you name it, and that
they think kind of gives them insights. I think even
Steve Jobs was pretty open about, you know, tripping acid
all the time and how he felt like he was
getting a lot of information and technology from this. Other
psychonauts like doctor John C. Lilly talked quite a bit
(06:45):
about information they would get from doing ketamine in the
float tank and receiving transmissions from entities, beings, interdimensional beings.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
So this is a lot more common than people think.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
In one of the recent fourth Hours that we deal
with Alex in Studio, actually the whole N Studio show
on Changing Images a Man, which actually talks quite a
bit about their religion and the technocratic beliefs. It's a
textbook basically for the elite class, and they really do
believe in all this sort of emergent transhumanist type of ideology.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I know that you talk a lot about the transcendental argument,
and I was researching Nick Land because he was someone
that came up in the interview with Conrad Flynt and
Tucker and he's sort of the godfather of accelerationism. And
in one of his interviews, and it's really interesting Jay,
because he seems like a very.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
He's very disarming in his approach. He seems like a really.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Nice guy, but when you dig into his belief systems,
it's extremely creepy. And I got introduced to the term texadental,
which is kind of they're talking about creation with technology,
and one statement that he made really sent chills up
my spine. He was saying that we can't AI can't
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really be what we want it to be as in
our final goal, and I'm summarizing here, I'm not quoting
word for word, but our final goal is that it
has to develop its own conscience on its own without
being programmed to do so. Now people will say, well,
how on earth is that going to happen? Ever, it's
a computer. But incomes this argument that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Conrad Flynn was making, where they're actually introducing.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The demonic into this technology to give a body, a
technological body to disembodied spirits.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Yeah, it's difficult to say how serious or how real
the various tech bros and dorks actually take those ideas.
I watched the talk that many people have mentioned over
the last couple of years of the d wave stuff,
and if you listen to that guy's lectures, it's ambiguous
as to what he really thinks is going on. But
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he seems to talk about it like what HP Lovecraft
and other writers considered the old gods and these sort
of exo theology entities out in space to be, or
what the Pagan religion is called the gods. We will
incarnate versions of that through the programs that we create.
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So he thinks that the possibility is there that not
only the humans program, but that it kind of takes
on a life of its own. And there's a famous
essay that was written many years ago. It's called Mind's
Machines and Girdel. You can still find it at Oxford University,
and it's a pretty good critique and reputation of the
idea that AI can come alive or become conscious, and
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to develop a conscience would require some degree of consciousness.
So really this is just kind of a fan fiction
large thing that people who watch and grew out with
too much sci fi come to think that, oh, it'll
come alive and it'll evolve, right, I mean, it goes
along with a silly kind of evolutionary narrative worldview that
magical consciousness just comes out of nowhere, kind of ex
(10:16):
and elo Big Bang style, and then maybe it'll develop
a conscious, a conscience, maybe it will become some sort
of a you know, imprisoning deity.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
We don't know. But again, all of.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
This is just out of a kind of a magical worldview,
which is ironic because these are supposedly very rational, scientific,
you know, scientistic engineer minded people, but they're very influenced
by a lot of uh, you know, science fiction and nonsense.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
So they do believe that there is some sense in which.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
They can tap into, if not actual demonic entities, then
the things that those demonic entities stand for, or the
archetypal representations.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Right. So if you have this idea of this, you.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Know, destroying deity, and maybe a military dust complex you know,
tries to program something like on the battlefield, you know,
some kind of terminator or something like that, maybe that
could turn into Skynet, and that Skynet could then be
some kind of you know, ar contic demonic entities. So
and then maybe there's some that believe that they can
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really incarnate or instantiate something from the demonic realm. It's
hard to say, but I mean they do, they do.
I would say they're all over the place. So some
of them probably do really believe that they can, you know,
do tech magic. You know, one of the fathers of
chaos magic, his name is Peter Carroll. He wrote a
series of books about cyber magic prior to you know
(11:41):
where we are now, so it was it was very
prophetic ahead of his time. But he believed that technology
would be the secret really of a cult practitioners to
bring about their will.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
So I would say that probably.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Amongst the Silicon Valley elite, he has a following. He's
kind of a lesser known Aleister Croley figure, but I
have his books. He talks about, you know, technological magic.
So yeah, I mean they're all over the place. But
a lot of what they do is also kind of
words smithery and trickery. Like Nick Land likes to create neologisms.
He kind of makes up his own.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Vocabulary, so a lot of this stuff is like kind
of goofy.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
But but they do believe, yeah, that technology will be
you know, they're more or less transhumanists, and they're arguing
that we have to kind of capitalize on it in
some way from a Nietzschean kind of right wing perspective,
to ensure that the other races don't, you know, take
over the technology.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What I found really interesting watching these interviews with Nick Land,
which by the way, bored the life out of me,
But I wanted to understand this figure because he's quite
influential in this space. And he was talking about how
he actually held a debate with oh goodness, the name
Alexander Dugan recently and what I found interesting was that
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he acknowledged that even being sort of a classical liberal,
I guess at some point that that just wasn't going
to work in order for technocracy to take over, that
it had to be right wing populism, that that brought
us to that point. And isn't that what we've just
seen the trend of the world, as the people become
(13:19):
disaffected with the political systems, as they become completely you know,
they're just sick of everything that's going on. Everything's more expensive,
there's no future for the future generations in their mind,
how they're going to ever afford anything, or buy anything
or have their own home. Incomes this populist movement, which
(13:42):
seems to be co opted in every single country, and
it's all leading towards technocracy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
They figured this out long ago, and I just wonder
how much of that is algorithmically engineered right now to
make people feel like, oh, we're winning when really we're not.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Yeah, I think that, you know, I'm not an expert
in accelerationist literature, but I mean I've studied, you know,
philosophy at the undergrad grad level, so I'm familiar with,
you know, Nietzsche, and postmodernism, and I'm familiar with all the.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Critiques of capitalism.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
In fact, I just posted my critique I did at
Jordan Peterson ten years ago, where I was launching the
very same types of critiques of classical liberalism that we
see a lot of these guys doing. But I think
the difference is not so much the areas of critique.
I would agree with a lot of their critiques. There's
problems in democracy, there's problems an egalitarianism, problems in Laise Fair,
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you know, classical liberalism, these these all.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Have severe flaws.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
In fact, my first public debate was against libertarianism ten
years ago with Adam Kokesh, So you know, I've been
here critiquing classical liberalism for a long time, which not
to say that I don't have some areas of agreement
with some of the positive aspects of libertarian philosophy.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I like bitcoin, for example.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
But there's also I think a lot of room for critique,
but I disagree with the solution that they offer. I
don't think that number one, it's a good position to
argue for letting things collapse, right. You get this idea
also even amongst some of the radical libertarians so this
is a hand rand idea that John Galt kind of
(15:20):
just separates himself and lets the rest of the country collapse.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
And then the elite have a kind.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Of a hyper capitalist breakaway civilization. In Gal's Gulch in Land,
although he's very critical of capitalism, he thinks it's inhumane.
As I understand, and I would agree ultimately, monopoly capitalism
is that I don't know that if we have a
Christian ethic, or an orthodox Christian ethic, that we could
align ourselves with some kind of idea that it's okay
(15:46):
to like further the collapse so that we can get
you know, ahead of the ahead of the curve and
I get a hand on the future and institute what
is really kind of just a nerdy that I don't
know that it makes a lot of sense. I mean,
it's just another version of technocracy that's you know, basically
(16:10):
arguing that we don't want brown people running it. Well,
I mean I don't want immigrants running all the technocracy either,
and sort of you know, making me live in some
sort of tech dystopian prison. And that is kind of
what even Oswald Svengel predicted that you would have the
Third world basically using the Western world's technology to imprison them.
(16:35):
So there is a possibility of some of these things,
but I don't think that the tech answers are the answer.
And I think what undergirds a lot of this is
kind of social Darwinism Nietzscheanism, and if those possessions are
not true, then I don't think this what I don't know,
right wing technocracy or whatever they're wanting to put forward,
(16:55):
I don't think that's going to work.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
You can't have a.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
You've got to have a worldview that has ethics and
teaches virtue. It can't just be based on will to
power because those kinds of systems, even if you're all
of your critique is right, like, you don't offer a
worldview to families that can flourish to societies where they
can flourish, where children are going to be taught virtue,
(17:22):
that their lives are going to be protected. So it's
very limited in what it offers. It's just sort of
like a NERD's fantasy vision. It's like a NERD's fantasy vision.
Who's not a leftist, but it's still a nerd fantasy
vision that's not very useful to most people, and people
want worldviews that they can raise a family with, and
(17:45):
you know, Orthodox Christianity offers that. So I see it
as far more superior, even though the critiques that they're
latching onto are not new critiques. I mean people have
been critique and classical liberalism on the right for actually
sent sense that occurred.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I what my concern is, Jane, I'm always thinking about
something that really burdens me is people becoming deceived. I'm
constantly thinking, how can we help people to not be deceived.
It's just a lifelong burden of mine.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So the problem that I see with this is that
technocracy seems to be inevitable, though I'll fight at tooth
and nail, of course. But what's happening is people are saying, well,
if we're going to be ruled by technocrats, at least
let's be ruled by based technocrats, right and so and
(18:37):
so they look like to people like Elon Musk, who says, well,
we have you know, we need to have more babies,
and we need to be pro humanity, and we're making
AI that's pro humanity and all of these sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I can't entrust these.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Virtues that you're talking about that are essential for society
to exist and flourish into the hands of people who
wear New Order jackets and Bathhomet costumes and really do
not believe in Jesus, Like I just cannot entrust any
type of inevitable technocracy to these people. And so again
going back to the point of it's really important to
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understand that these people do not have the belief systems
that we do, even though they may present themselves as such.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
For example, just one example.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And this is again going back to that interview with
Conrad Flynn. He said that in an interview with Joe
Rogan Mark Riesen, one of the chiefs of technocracy or
building it at least, it says that on Rogan that
understanding angels and demons will help people understand AI. That's
showing me that these people definitely have a religious belief
(19:45):
that they are trying to impose on people. Yet it's
not the religious belief that society needs to flourish.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
I know that Burning Man has had for many years
kind of a secret set a part almost they call
it a quasi cult where Silicon Valley elits still go
to Berni Man and they go and they kind of
do shrooms and trip out and they hang out together. Yeah,
and it's a separate area from the rest of Bernie
(20:13):
Man where all the normies are. So you know, this
kind of stuff is real. You know, you've got billionaire
elites that go and do this stuff and they trip
out and think that they're getting messages from you know,
entities and whatnot, so that that part is real. That's
been documented in mainstream publications. And so yeah, I mean
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again with each specific guy, it's hard to know what
exactly they mean.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Whether they think you take the.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Allegory of what angels and demons are and you say
that we can create you know, good and bad AI
models or whatever, or maybe they again really believe, you know,
through their experiences with hallucinogens and whatnot, that they've contacted
you know, these these sorts of realms, which that does happen.
I mean people do you go into those altered states
(21:02):
of consciouness and they do interact with entities Like I mentioned,
it's not just John C. Lilly, it's you know, Tim Leary,
all kinds of people, other psychonauts like Terence McKenna, you know,
talk about this openly. I mean, it's mentioned multiple times
in changing images of Man. I mean they actually talk
about talking to the spirits and the entities when you
go into these.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Altered states of consciouness.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And they say to think of it like you know,
some sort of download, right, So they use the kind
of terminology of the Silicon Valley leads, and they even
say you should talk to these spirits if you can
there's right there, if that's.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
If you can see that just barely.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
So the textbook says that the highest levels of consciousness
should include.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Kind of trying to talk to these entities. So that's
just an example.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
And I mean, this is the kind the textbook that
you know, the gen X and Boomer Silicon Valley rulers
of today would have been reading that.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Textbook in nineteen eighty two. That's a Stanford Research you know,
high level elite textbooks. So they would have been you.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Know, being sort of indoctrinate or inducted into this idea
back at that time. So you know, Bill Joy wrote
the famous essay that auc Jams always talks about that
we've covered many times in my channel, why the future
doesn't need us? And you know, he's another example one
of these technocrats who kind of had a moment of conscience,
it seems from the essay, although if you read the
full twenty or thirty page essay, he doesn't come right
(22:38):
out and say, oh, you know, we need Christianity. He says,
we've got to figure out some kind of virtue ethic
for when the computer AI, you know, Skynet stuff takes over,
because it will eventually be programmed to be Malthusian, an
anti human, anti natalist. And he said that we have
to come up with some kind of ethic to prevent
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that kind of a takeover. So that's what they think.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, there are certainly groups that say that they are
committed to those ethics. Some time ago we reported on
the book Remaking the World towards an Age of Global Enlightenment.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
It's the Boston Global Forum.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Seemingly really harmless group, but it's important for people to
note that this is sort of spearheaded by figures like
Ursula Vondlayan, who is a contributor to that book, So
it's not nothing. Also, the former Japanese PM Shinzo Abe
who was assassinated, it seemed to me that his intentions
(23:35):
going into this Boston Global Forum and this endeavor to
make a future ethical AI were actually pure.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And then he got taken out. And when I've watched.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Some of their zooms and reported on them, actually they
were on YouTube, and after we reported on them, they
disappeared off YouTube.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Even though they only had a few couple of hundred views.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It seemed that our reporting on this and drawing attention
to this was enough for them to take it off
the internet. And in these conversations you have one of
their representatives talking to researchers from MIT saying we need
an AI judiciary in the MIT researchers and saying, no,
that's a red line for us. We're not going to
the point of AI judiciary.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
And the guy for them from.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
The Boston Global Forum is pushing them, pressing them on this,
and then despite their pushback, he says, okay, never mind,
let's move on. We're going to do it anyway basically,
and that's their excuse me, sort of ritual of obtaining consent.
We'll have this conversation, will err it on the internet,
and their humanity's given us their consent. I think it's
really important for people to understand that even though there
are people that are talking about ethical AI. They're still
(24:37):
talking about AI ruling us completely, and it is a
sort of skynet that they are trying to create.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean to go back to that could point.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Jamie and I covered a book by one of the
Silicon Valley coder elite guys who kind of became a
whistleblower about eight nine years ago.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
His name's Jaron Lannier, and he came out.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
If you remember, he's the guy with the big dreads
that said that we intentionally crafted the never ending scroll
to get you addicted, and it's all based on just
studies of dopamine and addiction. So that he says, was
something that he didn't realize when he was coding at
(25:21):
the time to help produce that stuff, that this would
destroy society, that social media would be.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
This huge factor.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Again, this is going back to like twenty sixteen, but
the last chapter of his book is the most prescient
and important because he says the way Silicon Valley views AI.
He says it is a cult, and he says that
they have a cult where what they're going to do
is present it as if it's a kind of deity.
(25:51):
And even though they know that it's not and they
know that it has all these limitations. He says, they're
going to hype it up and make everyone think that
this will be the solution to man's problems. So, in
other words, instead of having the weakness and human frailty
that comes along with human government, why not have AI.
And they've you know, introduced this into some what Albania,
(26:13):
some you know, other countries where they're testing out having
AI prime ministers.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
And all this kind of nonsense.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
So they want to roll that out as if that
will be the solution to the problems of human governance.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
But again that it doesn't make any sense because it's
the humans, the program, the AI.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
So why would there not still be the problems of
human governance if the humans are the ones who govern
the programs and the code of the AI. But then
people will be duped, he says, in the thinking that oh,
it's alive and it's conscious and it's a new kind
of being that has you know, you know, rights that
may be other just just because it's a new type
(26:53):
of being that's emerged, so it will fit well with
the evolutionary mythology worldview, and people will accept and think
that Oh, it's alive.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Right, it's a new kind of reality.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
But if you remember when Isaac Asimov wrote the Foundation series,
which I read many many years ago, I think we
talked about it, and then maybe esat are called wood One.
Foundation actually presents the future Predictive Algorithm as a kind
of religious ideology which the inner scientific elite.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
They know that it's not divine.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Powers, it's not alive, it's not conscious, but they intentionally
deceive the empire and the people, the masses by thinking
that this is some sort of living power, right, But
it's not.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
It's just code. It's just computer code.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
So if you go back to the late seventies early
eighties plans what DARPA had for connecting the Internet to Skynet,
basically all of that that you see in Terminator, that's
actually based on real Pentagon plans for what they would
roll out.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
And we're now living in there when they're rolling it out. Yes,
so this is all that. All is very real.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
But it's just striking, I think, to see the admissions
from people like Jaron Lannier saying that or that it's
a cult that they know deep down isn't really alive,
but they're going to roll this out and convince people
that this is some sort of quasidity and that's what
you know, know you'voll Harari says too.
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Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm just going.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
To be upfront that I am more along the thinking
that this is actually some sort of demonic ritual for them.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I equate what they're trying to create to a digital
wage aboard.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
This is what I think they're trying to do, at
least some of them. At least some of them, and
I go to for example, just just on nick Land again.
Conrad was talking in that interview about three three three
nick Land's obsession with three three three, That is the
demon Qoranzon or Coronzon Sorry.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Three three three refers to the.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Demon Coronson, also known as the Dweller in the Abyss,
significant entity in the occult systems of Enochian magic and Thelema.
The number three three three is the numerical value of
Coronson when calculated using Hebrew gematria and something that he said,
and if you just bear with me, I want to
I want to read word for.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Word what he said in that interview with Tucker.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
He said, Nick Land believes that the AI we are
creating will break out the demons from the Book of Revelation.
He believes in some cases that they are the demons.
The demons end up becoming so advanced that they become omniscient,
they can go back in time, and that they can
retro chronically create themselves like Skynet sending the Terminator back
(31:08):
in time. So what he believes is that they went
back in time, they went to ancient Babylon. This is
why Babylon is so important in Revelation.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That they put Kabbala.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
There to then eventually evolve into AI. Now, I know
that that may seem ridiculous to a lot of us,
but the point is that some of.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
These people believe this.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And I think that if you're doing demonic rituals as
you're creating anything like for example, AI, that is inviting
demonic powers into that.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Well, that's also the way that you know, the d
Wave guy talks too.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
He says, maybe AI will be the instantiation of the
idea of what these Lovecraftian deities are or something like that, right, So,
I mean, I think it's kind of ridiculous to think
that AI was going back in time. I mean, again,
(32:06):
this is just like that's just sci fi stuff, that's
not reality, you know, orthodox Christian theology. I mean, we
don't typically speculate a lot about the apocalypse. We know
that there will be certain signs and patterns of when
the end of the world is, and that will include
things like, you know, trying to control commerce, trying to
(32:27):
get everybody to worship one central anti Christ's figure, and
all of that. There will be a massive apostasy. So
when we read the Church Fathers, we find that they
lay out these kinds of patterns based on what you know,
Saint Paul and Saint John wrote. But we don't really
have to worry. I don't think a lot about this
sort of very insane sci fi stuff that philosophers and
(32:50):
tech tech writers write about or think about, because a
lot of that isn't really grounded in reality. However, like
I said, what is real is that they do at
times to admit that they think this way. And I
think that's kind of what you're getting at is like
nick Land is very influential with some of these Silicon
Valley elite. That leads them to kind of think in
(33:10):
this sort of yes, let's try to incarnate this deity.
Let's use solemonic magic or an Ochian magic kind of
like a means of instantiating or incarnating these entities are beings.
And great example of this was the new film Tron Areas,
which I've covered the Tron series for many years, and
(33:34):
it's obviously a very gnostic sort of pre Matrix version
of the Matrix. If you've never seen Tron, it's the
old nineteen eighty two Disney film about the creation of
virtual worlds and sort of being imprisoned in virtual worlds
and so forth. And then the new Tron that's just
recently come out from Disney with Jared Leito, it's very
much the reverse.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
The story is.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
That the AI ideas and powers and entities incarnate in
to our reality. So basically nanotech and three D printing
allows for the incarnation of the gods like you're talking about.
In this case, it's aries right, So the god of War,
the God of Mars, incarnates into our reality. Because AI
(34:16):
is able to sort of print that. So as to
how far that is possible in reality, I don't know,
but I don't doubt like you're saying that some of
these Kumergooner technocrats absolutely have that idea.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, that's that's my whole point, because we have these people, like,
for example, World I D.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
I just want to show every on this really quickly
because this is it's actually quite terrifying.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So this is World i D and anonymous proof of
human for.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
The age of AI.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's hardly anonymous, but anyway, we're talking about a World
i D to verify that you are a real and
unique human and not a body to access things only
humans should.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Like concert tickets.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Video games, limited merch drops and dating apps never mind
you know, meat and dairy and accessing all the normal
things like buying ammunition. Well, you can't do it once
we have you on this system where your id's link
to your bank accounts and all you have is digital
currency and that's it. And it's not private. It's highly regulated,
which is where they want to take this. But I
say all of this to say this is this world
(35:29):
ID is actually closely linked through the co founder Sam Altman,
who is the CEO of open AI. Obviously, you have
these people creating these systems where humanity is locked into
digital verification with the world id.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Open AI is continuing to do what they do.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
No one's you know, there's lawsuits against them at the
moment for the harm that their bots are doing.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But they're continuing.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
The current administration wants to place restrictions and you know
on anyone trying to restrict AI for the next ten years.
So they are going full steam ahead with this and
we still don't fully understand the ideology of the people
doing this stuff. Now, I'm not saying Sam Altman is
trying to bring demons from revelation to life, but I
am saying there are people in his circle who are
(36:20):
trying to do that, and he's trying to create this
Skynet system that is essentially a digital prison for everyone.
And if we don't understand the ideology of Silicon Valley,
we're in some serious hot water.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well. That ideology is ultimately, as the Bill Joy essay,
that why the future doesn't need us about depopulations or
the ideas that as you know, Ray Kurtzwael already wrote
a book called the Age of spiritual machines. He wrote
about the singularity twenty years ago. So the transhumanist idea
is what dominates here, and it's this idea that we
(36:55):
will transcend the human limitations, not just the time and space,
but also mortality through combining with tech. That's the sort
of lie that they sell. In reality, they're sort of
totally anti human and the inner core, I suspect believes
that humans are the problem, just like the Club of
Rome and the First Global Revolution says, you know, it's
(37:16):
humans that we really have to worry about. In fact,
the Changing Images a Man book says, we have met
the enemy, and the enemy is us. It's humanity. So
the only way that we're going to survive and save
ourselves on Spaceship Earth. Their terminology is by getting rid
of most of the humans or all the humans and
allowing some sort of you know how nine thousand man
(37:38):
merged with machine.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Super race to survive.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
And I think that's the whole Nietzschean ethos of the
transhumanist nick Land kind of ideology, is that there will
only be a few super elites that managed to merge
with you know, the silicon.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Forms of the future.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Whatever that is, and they will go forward to survive,
and the rest of the normies are the unwashed masses
that are the useless eaters to use their terminology.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, this is something that's been echoed by a mask
as well.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
You know what's the solution?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Someone asks him, what's the solution to humans becoming irrelevant
in the age of AI.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Well, I think we just have to merge.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Them with neuralink or something like what are you insane?
Why is anyone still listening to what this man has
to say. Let's just pause here and say, what exactly
do you mean by you want everyone to have a
brain chip? It's really we're living in idiocracy. The term
dark enlightenment, Jay, talk to us about dark enlightenment. I
(38:42):
mean we've sort of broadly been talking about it this
whole time, but it's a very specific thing I want
to get to a point about.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Well, like I said, I'm not exactly perfectly. It's well
studied on I mean, I've listened to some interviews like
you in arts to Jarvint, Curtis Jarvin, and Nick Land,
so I don't know everything about their philosophy to say
exactly what all their ideas are, but my understanding is
that you kind of come to the end of a
(39:12):
lot of the narratives of Western civilization. And in that sense,
it's Nietzschean in that it's it's realizing that the institutions
and the narratives that we've been told, and the types
of salvation that we think that we're going to have
through you know, free market or through you know, liberalism,
(39:33):
or through progressivism or socialism or whatever, all of these
salvaffic sorts of narratives are collapsing. The World War two
consensus narrative is collapsing. The ideas of you know, free
markets and Americanism are collapsing. So when we come to
the end of ourselves, what we end up at is
(39:55):
this dark enlightenment that none of these ideas and institutions
are going to save us, and so really we have
to look to ourselves and to a pragmatic Nietzschean turn
and figuring out a way to kind of be your
own selv effic source. And that leads to the idea
that for the ultimate good, the collapse of the existing
(40:20):
structures is actually a good thing. So that's where we
get the accelerationism of the dark enlightenment. The collapse of
all the lying narratives of classical liberalism, the Enlightenment, leading
us to the Dark Enlightenment, that all of that needs
to go away, and when it does, sooner the better.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I think that's the idea, as I understand. There's probably
more too it.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
Like I said, I'm not like I don't know a
lot about these guys, honestly.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, sure, I'll just read the Wikipedia definition forever on
the Dark Enlightenment, also called the neo Reactionary Movement or NRX,
is an anti democratic, anti eqalitarian, and reactionary philosophical and
political movement. A reaction against Enlightenment values. It favors a
return to traditional societal constructs and forms of government, such
as absolute monarchism and cameralism. Movement advocates for authoritarian capitalist
(41:11):
city states which compete for citizen near reactionaries, so on
and so forth. Anyway, my point is, while they are
again this is talking about sort of returning to traditional
societal constructs, making us think that this is a right
wing movement, like this is populism, but actually it's sort
(41:34):
of feudalism. That's what they're really presenting to us. And
what I found really alarming. Jay was an interview that
I watched recently with Orn McIntyre, who I have nothing against,
but he was interviewing Nick Land and he was saying,
you know, how do you feel this RX movement is
something that was sort of underground in the sense that
(41:55):
it wasn't widely accepted, and now you have people like
JD Vance on board. And I was like, what do
you mean you have Jdvans on board with this? What
do they mean by this? And you know, of course
we have Jdvans's connections to Peter Teel. We know what
Peter Tiel's holding conferences about the politics of the anti Christ.
(42:16):
So you know, we have more and more of this
seeping into the future political class or even the current
political class, while it's presenting to us as right wing
and based.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Yeah, I mean that that's all definitely a concern. I
think one of the biggest critiques that we could have
of Trump, beyond you know, the Epstein stuff, is this
reliance on a lot of these dubious, you know, tech figures.
So I think that's that's a major issue.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
And I'm not exactly I mean, it's hard to say
really what right wing is anymore.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
I feel, like, you know, America has never really had
a conservative, actual right wing movement, because without a religious
grounding and paradigm, it really doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
So you know, explain that to us.
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Well, like America's idea of right and left is always
within its its whole ethos coming out of the Enlightenment,
It's always been a out of the liberal tradition. So,
I mean, I've always been an orthodox Christian supporter of monarchy.
I believe in the Byzantine imperial model. So those things
are all goods. But we're never going to go back
(43:30):
to that. So how that's going to look in the future,
I don't know, but I'm not saying that means, oh,
we should have some sort of feudal technocrat ruling over us. So,
like I said earlier, like I would agree with their
critiques of classical liberalism and the Enlightenment, because that's all liberalism.
The Enlightenment is about getting rid of Christian nation states,
Christian governance, Christian law, and having a Masonic overthrowing of
(43:55):
church and state or church or thrown in altar. So
is at the root of the overthrowing of thrown in
altar and so that's why their critiques are correct. But
the hierarchy that they want to I think introduce is
not anything to do with like a Christian society or
a Christian monarch.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
The Orthodox Church.
Speaker 5 (44:15):
We've had tons of Christian kings, Saint kings especially who fought.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
Islam out of Serbia.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
So they're taking a lot of Christian ideas of hierarchy,
of aristocracy, all these kinds of things and saying, forget
the Christianity part, Let's have the transhumanist version of Christian immortality,
which is technology making you live forever. Let's have the
(44:42):
get rid of the out of the Christian king, and
let's have like a corporate ceo monarch of a feudal
city state.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (44:49):
So it's a lot of Christian ideas and terminology that's
adapted to their version of you know, technocracy. I think
that's kind of what Yarvin's whole ethos is about, because
as Ironer stand, Curtis Jarvin is a monarchist, but he's
an atheist, agnostic, you know, technocratic type of dude. So
I think he's looking at it pragmatically that, well, Christianity
(45:11):
is worthless.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
We're not going to have that, so.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Let's take these ideas of hierarchy and have more of
like a Nietzschean idea. But so it's very nuanced and
very specific. I think if you're a Christian Orthodox Christian,
you know you have to look at, for example, the
Czar being martyred murdered by the Bolsheviks.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
The czar was a monarch.
Speaker 5 (45:30):
And I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with absolute monarchy,
but I mean the history of the Christian churches monarchs.
You know, you have the prophecies all throughout the Old
Testament that Christian that there will be kings that convert
and believe in the God of Israel. I mean that
that's happened for the last two thousand years. I mean
all the scriptures are all about a monarchy everywhere, Old
(45:51):
and New Testament. So that I agree with. But what
I don't agree with is, well, because the Enlightenment was
flawed and had these problems, let's have a.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
Technocratic monarch.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
I want to ask you, and I know we're almost
out of time here, but you mentioned that freemasonry had
a lot to do with the overthrows of the monarchies.
How much do you think freemasonry still has to do
with the creation of this technocratic, dystropian future.
Speaker 5 (46:22):
Maybe not so much the lodges of the war throughout
the world, because most people involved in the Free Masonic
lodges are kind of, you know, not very serious. But
the root of Free Masonic philosophy coming out of people
like Robert Flood or you know, Albert Pike. They pull
(46:42):
from Cobblism, which is ultimately just kind of Neoplatonism.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
So Neoplatonism is the root of it. According to Albert Pike.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
He says Christianity is not Jesus and Trinity all that
kind of stuff, it's really Neoplatonism.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
He says, there's a whole chapter in Morals and Dogma
on that.
Speaker 5 (46:59):
In the sense that the root of a lot of
this is Kabbylism, and if you read Jacques Attali, he's
very explicit about that. He says, the global brain is
just the gollumn. We're going to hook everybody into the
global brain that will be the gollumn. So in that sense,
(47:20):
the Judaic Cabbalistic elements of Freemasonry do undergird the ideas
of the technocracy and the sense of creating a gollumn.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
A gollumn being in their minds.
Speaker 5 (47:37):
Well, in medieval Jewish mysticism, the idea is that you
can create beings or husks of beings that don't have
souls but are kind of animatronic or controlled entities.
Speaker 4 (47:50):
And it's not just.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
To yeah, but it goes back to I mean, ancient
Greeks thought the same thing. So a lot of what
kabbala is is actually just mottled out of neo Platonic philosophy,
like the Porphyrian tree or Plutonus's you know, structures of
the world, how the universe has these emanations. So it's
sort of a lot of it's cribbed. It's not that
(48:14):
they made it up, it's just cribbed from older systems. Anyway,
the point being, yeah, you could create beings that don't
have souls but are sort of controlled by you, And
that's the idea of AI or like you said, the gollumn.
Just just look up the gollumn and that's that's what
it is. It's like a being that's you know, like
a mind control being that doesn't have a soul. And
(48:35):
Jacquette the list says and brief ists for the future
that when all the human beings are linked in their
minds into the global high brain that.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
Will be the Gollumn manifest Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
That's really disgusting.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
So I think Jay and we have to wrap up.
I wish we had more time and we will talk
about all of this stuff again because it's it's it's
you know, it's going to become very important for the future.
I think in some we really have to understand the
belief systems of these people and their ideology and understand that,
in my opinion, they can't be trusted with humanity's future.
(49:10):
And as humanity, we have to find the truth and
we have to turn to what is real and your
belief in mine that's orthodoxy. But people must very soon
wake up to what's really going on behind the scenes
with these people's belief systems.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
Now, these aren't often.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Just atheists that just think that this is the next
level of human evolution. They are trying to do something
much deeper, much darker. And I want to direct people
to your account on X where people can follow you.
J Underscore D double O seven. J Underscore D double
O seven is Jay's X account. We also want to
bring up your website where people can find out more
(49:53):
you mentioned which book in particular, it is on your
website that you cover this stuff. Tell us which book
that is.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah, if you go to the shop at the top
tab there there's a shop link and in the shop
you'll see st our Hollywood one, two and three. One
in three cover technocracy extensively. In fact, there's significant chapters
in part one all about technocracy and how Hollywood was
sort of programming us to accept a lot of this
(50:20):
stuff that's now rolling out. And then I just completed three.
It's just now in print. So three also covers quite
a bit of that. But yeah, so you can get
the sign copies in the shop there. Appreciate you so much,
Maria Zie.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Of course, Jaysanalysis dot com. That's Jaysanalysis dot com. You
can also catch a Jay on YouTube or he does
a lot of debates and talks a lot about all
of these topics that really don't often hit the mainstreen
but they should really appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
Jay. Thank you, we'll speak to you again soon.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Also, all right for the Sam Hid Show. So about
to check out the Sam Hi Show. It's a great
comedy show.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, absolutely love your writing on that, love your work
on it.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Thank you so much. Jay.
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