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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome back to part two of American Sharia, and I've
got with me Courtney Turner again and we are going
to be talking about her two great articles on Substack.
First one Conspiracy Phoenix Conspiracy Right, and the second one
was about Jeffrey Epstein. Now, I've had this idea because

(00:24):
I've been seeing these trends right, and like I said before,
me and Courtney are experts at I see where this
is going, right, and if we can appeal to you
to not go in this direction, that would be awesome
because I just see tyranny and everything that is happening

(00:50):
like this week and last week, it's just getting crazy.
DC is now going to be a federal city. We
don't know yet the command of it's been taken over
by Donald Trump, and we are just witnessing unprecedented things
every single day. So I brought Courtney to help me

(01:12):
make sense of this all because she also connects these
dots that are seemingly far apart from each other, but
they are coalescing into something very scary. What do we
call it? Last time the Enchilada of doom?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yes, so yes, last time we left on New Yeah,
we were talking about Christian nationalism, and we brought up
Doug Wilson and lo and behold, he made it to
CNN just like two days after we brought up that topic,
and then he was all over social media for several

(01:49):
days because he's calling for Christian nationalism. And you were
writing in your Phoenix article about Steven Woolf, who wrote
Case for Christian Nationalism and his call for a Christian prince.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, well, I mean he wants to subvert the Constitution
so we can have a monarchy. I mean, that seems
to be the common theme with all these people. It's
just he wants a Christian monarch, which you know, yeah,
it's a subversive movement. I would argue it's not even
really all that Christian because they want to force people

(02:29):
into this. And I'm pretty sure one of the first
tenants of Christianity. I mean, I don't know, I'm no expert,
but like I think it's free will. So yeah, well,
you're forcing people to subscribe to your version of your interpretation,
then that that's not free will. So yeah, And the

(02:50):
First Amendment is actually freedom of religion. I know a
lot of people think it's freedom from religion. But it's
actually freedom of religion that isn't the First Amendment. And
it's because as the uh, the Founders were, I mean
in part, but largely, they were you know, trying, they
were escaping the Anglican Church, which was a theocracy, and

(03:11):
they didn't want to repeat that. So, you know, it's
great if people come to that of their own accord,
and I'm all for people, uh, you know, choosing that path,
but to be forced into that path and to subvert
the Constitution to do it, I think bad things are
gonna come with that.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
No, And I think what they want to do is
make the world in their own idea, on their own
image of what they think Christianity is and what it
should be. And it's very far away from historical Christianity, right,
And so we're gonna say some things that people may
disagree with, they may agree with, but it's going to
be all over the place because you can't pin us

(03:50):
down because we're not you know, extreme ideologues. We're just
reasonable people. And so he's calling for a Christian prince,
and I wanted to start off with saying, you know,
a monarchy is blessed in our worldview. If they are righteous,
if they're upright, if they're virtuous, if they're not tyrannical.

(04:12):
The Byzantine Empire was the first Christian empire, and it
lasted a long long time, like almost a thousand years.
So it was a very stable society, a lot of
technological progress, a lot of quality of life you see
improving under these this Byzantine monarchy. And so, yeah, a

(04:33):
monarchy can be a blessed thing. Uh, we say heaven
is a kingdom, and uh, you know we say on
earth as on heaven, right, yes, gee, Christ kingdom is
not of this world exactly, but we do try to
emulate these ideas like on earth as it is in heaven.
So they say, when you get married, you're a representative

(04:55):
of a king and queen of your household. And that's
how you think of yourself. You know, you have self respect,
you're royalty.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Now you have.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Sovereignty. You're not slave to sin or the ale or
your passions, these kinds of things. You're uplifted and now
you're like a royalty of the universe. So an upright
and a righteous royal family can be an icon for society.
It can be a good thing. Right, and many saints

(05:23):
have been kings, queens, emperors, empresses, this type of thing.
So it's not that we hate monarchy or the idea
of this type of government, but we are seeing subverters
trying to usurp what we already have in place and

(05:43):
put their ideas in place forcefully. Okay, So in history
the only way we got a Christian marchy was like
three hundred years of martyrs. Right. It was not an uprising,
a military uprising, right, right, It was a natural thing.
So you have so many people converting that like, okay,

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this is our way of life now. So you know, rulers, emperors,
kings and queens, they can become saints. And then in
the Old Testament there's also the idea of king where
the Israelites wanted an earthly king and God said, no,
I will be your king. But they're like, no, we
want a man king. So they got King Saul and
it was just a bunch of problems. So this is

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kind of what the idea is that people are teasing out,
but they are also marrying it. And Courtney does such
a good job laying all this out into technocracy and
tyranny and exactly the opposite of what you think, you know,
a Christian nation would act like.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right, yes, well, and my biggest concern is all of
this lead to the eradication of free will. And I
mean that's really if we were just to boil it
down like in a nutshell. That's my biggest concern with
all of this is that it's the eradication of free will.
So some of it sounds great, and some of these
people may even be well intended. They may really think

(07:10):
that they have the best vision for the path forward
for humanity, but unfortunately humans are flawed, so their vision
will not be perfect no matter how great they think
it is. And it just seems like all of these
paths lead to technocracy, which will erote technocracy, and transhumanism,
which will erode free will, you know. And it's very

(07:30):
interesting to me because I think it was like my
first episode, I talked about how you know, they were
that they who were socially engineering the masses towards a
transhuman and technocratic leading to a post human future where
we would all live in like a you know, neo
feudal society, and you know, at the time it didn't
really know a whole lot. But it's like the more

(07:52):
layers I peel, the more true that seems to reveal
itself to be so unfortunately, but yeah, it really boiled
to free will. And you know, humans don't always make
the best choices. But you know, that's the hope is
that you will use that gift of free will, which
I do believe is the greatest gift that humans were
in dialed with. You will use that gift in order

(08:14):
to be a vessel and a conduit for virtue and morality.
And that is what you know, biblically speaking, that's what
God wants. It's also what Satan wants. That's why they
want you to opt into your own tyranny. They want
you to choose, you know, light or dark, but very
what's the saying like he doesn't like lukewarm, he spits
it out. So yeah, but what I'm seeing is that

(08:35):
all these paths really do lead to the erosion of
free will. And we're incrementally inching towards that the erosion
of free will with all of this conditioning and programming
and brainwashing. And now we have the cybernetic feedback loops
that are, yeah, the algorithmic tibernetic feedback loops. So people
are you know, giving away all their data, which is

(08:56):
then programming them, and little by little seem to be
inching towards the erosion of free will. So that's just
for me, that's the biggest content.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, I mean, that is at the heart of what
we're talking about free will because one of the ways
they are trying to open up the Constitution is by
getting every to agree that we need to repeal the
nineteenth Amendment, which is how we got the vote for women,

(09:28):
right yep. So whether or not you vote, or you
think that's good or bad, the reason why they are
pushing that is so that they can open it up
and while they're in there surgically doing things that they
can put in these new policies and just tighten the

(09:49):
grip on people and control. We're going to get into
that with the AI and women. So well, let's just
talk about the strong voice for a second, because you
mentioned the the Gundo boys. Is that what you're calling them? Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
California, that's why they call them the Gundos.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But so we talked about those guys last time. And
then Charlie Kirk he just called Trump the least feminine president.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
We've ever had, And I was just like, how are
you gonna quantify that? Because I mean, Teddy Roosevelt was
pretty masculine with sure, you know, those those rough riders
and people that actually went to war and stuff like that.
So it's like, I don't know, really what you're getting
at here trying to like what I'm seeing is the

(10:43):
genderization of virtue, which is becoming really strange to me.
You know, the worship of the strong, the strong boys
and the masculinity. And even Jay makes fun of these guys.
They've they've had him in the Protestant world forever, like
they ripped phone books and had and you know, like
throw kettlebells around for Jesus and stuff, and it gets

(11:05):
really silly. But then when you start to peel back
these layers, you find, okay, So here's something I found
positive Christianity. So this was a movement in the Nazi
Germany era, and it is a religious movement that promoted
the belief that racial pearity of the German people should

(11:25):
be maintained. They were, they had elements of the nice
and Christianity, but it was just basically like a white
nationalist Christian party. And here is the emblem of that.
So you've even got the swashka in the flag.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Oh yeah, So the stuff we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Is not very new. It's like they roll out the
same techniques all the time. We follow the same stuff.
But this like gundo bro attitude. It reminds me of
a book I read called This Pink Swashtika, And it
also reminded me of the Vikings, where they have this
thing called ergie where uh, feminine women or men that

(12:15):
they deemed to act feminine are executed or you know,
burned or stoned or exiled or shunned. And this isn't
the only culture, but yeah, you can look at a
Viking ergy. So if they let's say you were a
you know, Scandinavian who had recently converted or something, and

(12:36):
you didn't want to go with your mates to uh
pillage a monastery or a village or you know, rape,
kill and destroy and steal, then you were deemed feminine
and you could be you know, open to punishment or whatever,
uh was the consequence of the time.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
So it's like, what crazy in the future, is it
going to.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Be feminine to just display any emotion whatsoever, you know,
to hold hands with your loved one to you know
it it's so ambiguous, right, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, it is, But it's also I feel like, you know,
the way I described it in the Phoenix Conspiracy article
is that they use archetypes to operate through the left
and right Hegelian paths. So I think they have to
like low it into the extreme version. So the right,
which is what they're operating through right now, quote unquote

(13:34):
the right wing because Trump is ostensibly Republican, although I
mean he's been a lifelong Democrat until you ran for president,
but you know, minor details, but he's you know, right
winger Republican. So they're accentuating and highlighting like the you know,
the masculinity, the patriarchal, muscular like disciplinarian, authoritarian kind of archetype.

(14:00):
It's really it's an archetype of that, but they blow
it into these extreme so they they can ramage on
your throat. And I think the left does the same thing.
It's the divine mother, the you know, mother Earth, and
it's very spiritual and uh yeah, the nurturing. It's all
emotion driven, which the rights you know argues they're very

(14:20):
rational and logical it's very linear, but it's really archetypes,
I mean none, So it's not based in reality because
this isn't really how reality works, right. Reality is about uh,
it's integration, it's relationship, it's a you know, it's it's operational,
like how does it function? You know? So they're like,
there there are men who sometimes they cry, you know,

(14:42):
and it doesn't make them girls. You know. It's like
sometimes there are things that happen and they cry. It's
but to make that like the definition of what a
man is, it's it's just absurd. We have that on
the one extreme, and then on the other extreme we
have like, oh, there's no such thing the man or
a woman. You can be whatever, you know, you can
be a furry. It's just absurd. They want to take

(15:07):
away any distinction of any real definition of anything, to
blur all the boundaries.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
And let's not forget the apocalyptic thinking that goes into
these types of things, because first of all, they are
skirting the free will with their really rigid gender roles,
like women can only be mothers or this or that,

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and men can only be the breadwinner. So they're already
like brushing up against taking away freedoms and free will.
And you know, let's not forget the Bavarian illuminati that
we always rail against. They were anti monarchical and anti religion.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So it gets really there's a lot of weeds to
go through, and with the apocalyptic thinking, that opens it
up to a whole nother thing, because now they can
we can have a fake rapture, we can have a tribulation,
we can have a blue beam second coming. You know,

(16:16):
if there's all kinds of psyops that can be orchestrated
in this framework of like you know, it's going to
be a rapture, tribulation and time, so catastrophe, more zionism, earthquakes, spamine, pestilence,
all of this stuff. The John Hagy blood moons, right,
the blood moves of yes, well, and isn't.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
That what Peter t was doing, right, He's talking about
the Antichrist and you know, and he totally inverted it
because he kept saying how the Antichrist will bring about,
you know, like the peace and you know, like that's
the blissful time. But that's not and you can correct
me if I'm wrong, but my understanding, that's not actually

(17:00):
what the Bible says, the Bible says that the people
will perceive that before you have these like ruptures, right
before you have that, you know, the tribulation, the really
difficult times, they're going to perceive it as this is
like peaceful, blissful experience. But that's not the Antichrist bringing that.
He's bringing the difficult time to come after that. But

(17:21):
the way Peter Tiel explained it was that the Antichrist
comes to bring the peace. They kind of inverted it. Yeah,
have you.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Heard the rumors that Donald Trump wants to hand over
DC to.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Peter Teele And I've heard this rumor. I mean, it
would not surprise me. I don't know whether he's aware
of it, but whether he's aware or not, that is
essentially what he's doing. I mean with the deal with
Palenteer and Anderill. And I don't know if that's say
you pronounce it, but you know that all the defense
contracts that they're doing, he is essentially handing it to
Peter Cheel on a silver platter. So whether or not

(17:57):
he's doing it, you know, like intentionally or not, that
is the result.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So and even the US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseath
he tweeted this week all for Christ, all for Life,
and he is one hundred percent behind Doug Wilson.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yes, he's a member of that CERC church.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, from Moscow, Idaho cr C. Actually, I'm glad you
brought that up because I read a paper that someone
sent me about Doug Wilson's theology and it is not orthodox.
It's now very heretical, they would say. So this essay,

(18:41):
if you want to look it up, it's called Theological
Concerns about the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches the cre
C by Jeffrey Moss, twenty twenty four. So yeah, good buddy.
Doug Wilson made it to CNN. Everyone is now discussing this,
and I'm like, now I have to look into this
seriously because it's becoming me. I mean, me and Courtney
can get up here in tinfoil hat, but then.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
It becomes real. I know. I've heard stories of people
who have been like in his church or affiliated with
his church, and they were like kicked out for asking
too many questions. And he's got these weird ideas about
like women can't work so like even if they are
a single parent per se. Uh, you know, and they're

(19:26):
obviously they need foot food on the table, right, you know,
to read their children. Then these things happen. I'm not
saying it's ideal to be a single parent, but you know,
things happen in life and so but he says that
they shouldn't work. So they build this kind of like community,
and it sounds great, like, oh great, like the church
will step in Theoretically that that's what a church community

(19:46):
should do, right, step in out the community, help the
members of the church. But they had all these kind
of like so essentially it becomes in dentury like servitude
in return, like they would get money and hope, but
then they would have to be at the beck and
call and like you know, serve, which.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Well it's like church feudalism.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
That's yeah, that's exactly what it sounded like to me.
I mean, I need experienced this first hand, but I've
heard the stories and I'm like, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah. So, before new theo bors start to say Doug
Wilson is based and trad let's just go over some
of the facts here. So this is a Protestant Religiou
association founded only in nineteen ninety eight by Doug Wilson.
It's got one hundred and thirty congregations in the US

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and ten other countries. They are semi independent, so there
is no authority, there's no discipline, there's no no patriarchy,
there's no apostolic succession. That they are not answering to
anybody but their own cult. And they are also guilty

(21:00):
of haircy. So when Jay gets on here for hours
and he's warning you and making fun of Protestants, and
everyone's like, oh, Jay's so mean, we shouldn't do that.
This is these are the people he's talking about, like
wackadoodles that want to take over and force you to
do things right.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I don't know if all Protestants are like that, but
but there's not.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
All of them, but like, yeah, these are the cult
type that we are going for because they are actually
hurting people. So these wacky cavals, they affirm some forms
of the doctrines of semi arianism. They promote a teaching

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that the divine person of Christ is the eternal feminine
principle within the Godhead. So they've got a lot of weird,
our trippy ideas about what's going on in the trinity.
Because I mean double. He never attended seminary, he never
went to Bibble College, he was never ordained any He
just founded this whole thing all by himself, including a

(22:04):
college called New Saint Andrew College in Moscow, Idaho.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
And he's like a self appointed guru.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Yes, he thinks of himself as like the next John
Calvin or something. And in their thing called their Book
of Confessions, they claim to adhere to for creeds, the
Apostles Creed, the Nice and Creed, the the Nation and Creed,
and the Council of Calcton. But the nice seeing Creed
that they adhere to includes the Philliokuay. I know a

(22:34):
lot of you people don't understand what this means. But basically,
in the Nicety and Creed, what sets the part from
the way the Catholics say it is called the Phillyoquay.
We don't have to talk about that. But Doug Wilson
includes the Phillioquay, which is not Orthodox. So that should
be a red flag for you guys. And so there

(22:56):
was this conference, and the title of the conference that
they had in in two thousand and two was called
the Federal Vision.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Oh, I don't know this.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
All the way back in so about twenty three years ago,
in two thousand and two, they had the Federal Vision,
which became the Joint Federal Vision Statement, and it affirms
several Calvinist teachings that contradict Orthodoxy. He advocates a version
of eternal subordination of the Son to the Father. So

(23:31):
this is what I was getting out of this scholarly
article about the theology of the CREC. So they say
that the Son is always in submission and the Holy
Spirit are lesser entities and they are eternally subservient to

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the Father.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
And he also equates the God the Father as the
man and God the Son as the feminine. That's not Orthodox.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
So when he's writing books it all sounds Hermitic. It
kind of does. Yeah, so it's pretty critical.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's pretty wacky. And this is where he gets the
idea that like women have to like eternally be into
submission to men, because this is like how he views
the Trinity and preaching in his church, Like women have
to be like Christ and submit to God. The thought,
so he implies that Christ is some kind of like

(24:31):
eternal divine feminine. When he talks about authority and being
masculine and feminine dynamics, So weird stuff going on there.
He thinks that the worship of the training means exalting
the father's authority, the son's nativity, and the spirit's communion,
and that is right out of this cr EC. So

(24:55):
just weird, weird ideas about.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, and where does he get this idea that Christ
is the feminine. I mean that sounds like the consciousness, that's.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
The submissive role in his mind is the son submits
to the father, woman submits the man. So in that way, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like it almost sounds like Christ's consciousness, like Blovatsky or Bailey.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
H And that's what we're talking about. This is not
going to be a Christian nationalist movement. It's going to
be a Christian right. There's plenty of tea on Doug Wilson.
There's one article called just the Facts, and it's just
just scandal after scandal in that church. And you know,

(25:42):
guru churches, these megachurches, they're just right with sex scandals.
One of the ones was they match made a young
lady at their church with a convicted serial PDF file
of over twenty five children and told them that she
had to marry him so that the he could not
do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I keep hearing that too. Yeah, he's marrying off these
alleged yeah accusers, which is horrifying. So it's like these
women are now just supposed to be subjective whatever potential abuse.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, they got to submit.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's a holy matrimony. I don't know that somehow sanctifies it.
It sounds horrific to me.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I mean, one of these cases, they even had to
get special permission from the court to cohabitate after they
were married and had children. And then he also after
that admitted to being aroused by his own children. So
this is not the stopgap measure that they think it is,
marrying off pdf files to nice young women and having

(26:50):
children and making a family, because that's not how you
fix it.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
No, no, Well, and what about the children? I mean,
and I would think that suming he's supposed to be
looking out for them, that sounds like they're perpetuating a
potential tragic.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Getting out roast time. I don't think they even care
about children in the real world. I think they care
about hypothetical things. And I think this is a big
power trip. Literally, it's a huge power trip of men
over women. So that's Doug Wilson. There's no end to wacky.
Quote means going back many many years. Uh, you can

(27:31):
pull up this. Let's see if I can find on
Twitter Courtney you say something smart while I look for
this thing.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah. Well, I think in the other case, the Epstein case,
I think all of that scandal, as horrible it is
as it is, is actually a cover and a smoke
in mirror screen for something even worse, which I think
is the potential eradication of human species. I do do,

(28:04):
but yeah, and I think, you know, that's not to
undermine what's going on with the pd you know files,
but I think that that the much more significant uh
story is really that what they're studying would lead to
the extinction of humanity.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Well, it goes perfectly with the PDF files because one
of the things they want to do when they get
into the constitution a lock it is uh lower states
age of consent, So they want it lower and lower.

(28:45):
Ideas menstruating girls will be uh you know, available for impregnation,
right and they are biologically ready.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Right right, which these days is becoming younger and younger
because of all the like estrogenetic toxins. Yeah, so that's
that's pretty Yeah, just because the what is that a doctor?
I'm gonna blank his name, but you know, Jurassic Park Liker.

(29:19):
Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could they
didn't stop to think whether they should in something. Yeah,
isn't that.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
One of their models? Like move fast and break things? Right?
What the technocrats models? One of their mottols is moved fast.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And yeah, that's it. That that came from Zuckerberg Facebook,
that's his model, and yeah, they've all adopted it. Yeah,
move fast and break things.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So if you're looking for some more unsavory facts about
Doug Wilson, it's called Doug Wilson Just the facts, ma'am
by Kaylee Triller Harms. And there's plenty of scandals to
sink your teeth into. But let's get to Jeffrey Epstein
because that's what we are going to we talk about
your article tonight, Epstein and the tech technocrats. Did you

(30:06):
happen to see New York Times article this week? A
look inside Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan lair.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
M No.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
So it's very Podesta coated. The artwork is very Pizzagate like,
it's so the entrance of his Manhattan place is lined
with dozens of prosthetic eyeballs. Oh, there's a sculpture of

(30:35):
a bride clutching a rope in the atrium that looks
kind of like that. Do you remember that sculpture that
they had of one of the Dahmer's victims like in Podesta.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I don't know if I do.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Oh man, it was Gnarley. So here is what's hanging
up in Epstein's atrium. Where is this.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
With that.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Weird right?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, yeah, what is that?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
It's a bride on a rope.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Oh yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
So you've got the eyeballs. You've got the bride that
reminds me of haunted mansion. In the dining room is
a shrine to all of his high profile connections. So
he's got personal picks with Pope, John Paul the Second,
Mick Jagger, Fidel Castro, Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Richard Branson,
Bill Gates, Donald Trump, and Melania, Which this one cracked

(31:38):
me up because it was the photo that we've all
seen of Epstein, Trump, Malania, and Glaine, but he had
cropped out Glaine and just zoomed in all the three
of them and I'm like, that's such an Epstein thing
to do.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
It's like, yeah, well she was known for like photo bombing,
so she would just show up in pictures.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, she was definitely a pim pathetic kind of character.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yes, not only.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
That, multiple selfies of Steve Bannon throughout the house.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, well, no surprise there. His fingerprints are all over
the place. It's crazy. And he's I really think he's
the one behind Brock Pierce because he took over the company. Right.
Brock was like twenty years old at the time, and
he's this bitcoin pioneer and he was advising Epstein on cryptocurrency.

(32:34):
He's advising him on like bitcoin, and then Vannon takes
over the company become CEO, and I mean Brock was
like a child actor. I mean it was just a
very I feel like it was kind of a construct.
I mean I can't prove that obviously, But then he
goes down to Puerto Rico and his house is like

(32:54):
in Roosevelt on the Naval base, and Steve Bannon is,
you know, Office of Naval Research, and yeah, I don't
know that there's some dots there. I will just say that, Oh.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, there's plenty of dots.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
There's too many, but they fail a little connected.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, check this out. He has the first edition copy
of Lolita on display in his office now if you will. Yeah,
so that's pretty much the PDF files, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, well look, you know also Epstein, what was it
he he was like a college dropout. He ends up
teaching math and physics at Dalton High School in New
York City. And it was Bill. It was Bill Barr's father,
Donald Barr, who hired him. And then Donald Barr writes
this book. It's called Space Relations and it's where these like,

(33:50):
you know, aliens, extraterrestrial beings come and it's very like,
I don't know, it's very reminiscent of Epstein and Maxwell
and Glene. You know, they're like trafficking humans. And so
this this whole book, spati Relations, which is selling on
Amazon for like four hundred something dollars. Actually, oh it's
a thousand now, Corney. Oh yeah, I have a copy,

(34:14):
do you know.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Patrick Byrne actually bought me the coffee. Oh cool. Yeah,
it was really cool because I'm telling him all about it,
and he was like, oh, well, you know, I'll give
you a copy so we can look into it, but yeah,
and then he sets Epstein up at like a hedge
fund type of I don't know who, the hedge fund
or a mutual fund, but some sort of a you know,
financial fund, and he only deals with like multi millionaires

(34:41):
like his first year in which is very strange. Usually
have to go through this with like ruling you know,
basically internship where you're working all hours at the night
as an ibanker. You don't start off managing like multi
million dollar high profile people. But Epstein did so.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Well, this is where the space babies come in. And
I'm glad you brought up that book because it's a
lot like the science fiction that a lot of Manisphere bros.
Are following the script of with the human tr a
f F and the Harems Spaces of your Babies, because
where they're going with this is they don't want women

(35:19):
at all. They don't want to deal with women at all,
and but they know that Uh what did he say
women are the type of people that people come out of.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
You said, yes, they're the type of the Yeah, they're
just utilities.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yes, So this transhumanism and the transgender movement, uh, stepping
stone to that is just going in the direction of
artificial wounds. And this is I'm telling you, guys, the
climax because this is what I'm calling American shuria and uh,
just the commodification of a woman's body.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And I just wanted to before you finish that, I
want to tell you that there's a so China developed
a pregnancy robot that's capable of giving birth to like
a live baby. And this was from the Daily Mail
really recently. I know they have like the ECDO lifepods
and whatnot, but this is really creepy they're talking. This
was yeah, it was August fifteenth, so yeah, yesterday. So

(36:20):
they're talking about a live robot in China. What that
is going to give birth? So, yeah, you're right, they're
completely eradicating. Women are out because they're the kind of
people that people come out of. But they don't need
them anymore because now robots can do that exactly.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Now AI can do whatever you need it to do.
And Mexico this week just makes biometric identifier mandatory for
all citizens. I didn't know if you saw that article
or not. They meant what they made biometric identifier mandatory
for all citizens in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Mexico did, Yeah, I saw that they've been so they've
been pretty far ahead on a lot of that already.
Like you have to do you have like a digital
idea to enter any bank, so essentially to do any
kind of transfer. Sweden's really far hit on all that
stuff though, Sweden, it's illegal to have cash, but you
know who has cash, immigrants, the criminals, criminals, Yeah, of course, yeah,

(37:16):
it's it's like the guns. You know, you ban guns,
but somehow the criminals all managed to get them.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, isn't that funny? So what we're talking about, and
with this article, the Epstein Transhumanist conspiracy is a dystopian
nightmare of genetic engineering, AI overlords and what you say,
spiritual eugenics. And I couldn't agree more. And the beginning
of this article starts off with what is the last question? Yes?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Right, what is the question? This is part of the
Edge series, the annual Question I think started in twenty fifteen.
I don't remember exactly what year, but yeah, he did this,
like the Edge Foundation. This is John Rockmann who did
He was a literary agent who brought together all of
these people so they could have these salons. They had

(38:08):
like billionaires, dinners, they were actually called the Billionaire's Dinner.
And it wasn't just scientists. I mean, there were obviously
a lot of very you know, top notched, like a
well respected, high esteemed scientists and academic researchers, but it
was also like celebrities and sports players just really like

(38:29):
very influential people. Which it really was just an influence
operation to get these people together, and they would have
an annual series where they asked like the final question
for humanity, and of course in twenty eighteen, we've got
the Weinstein brothers both participating in this final question. And
what's really weird is Brett's question normal, like normally, when

(38:51):
you go and look at it, like the you'll see
like a whole conversation they post, you know, under the question.
Brett's question is the only one that just just says
the question, which is very strange to me. I don't
know what that means, but it's odd. I don't know.
It either means they scrubbed the answers or the discussion,
or it means that it was somehow like a covert

(39:12):
thing from the beginning.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So the question was, can humans set a non evolutionary
course that is game theoretically stable, yes, right, which is
game B Game B. And then the second follow up
question is does something unprecedented happen when we finally learn
our own source code? So not only are they trying

(39:35):
to unlock the constitution so they can get in there
and rearrange things, they're also trying to unlock our DNA
so they can get in there and rearrange things.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Right, Yes, it's very convenient. Yes, and Eric even does.
I think it was with Lex Friedman, but he talks
about I don't quote me on that, but I think
it was Lex Friedman podcast, but he talks about this,
you know, learning our own source code, and he said
it would be our sky Net moment, and so he's
a little concerned about it. Yeah, I mean, nothing to

(40:05):
worry about him.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
No, we Isn't that a good thing?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah? But I love when these guys tell you like
they're a little concerned, because it's like the it's the qualifier, right, like, okay,
we're at concerned, Well, but we're gonna we're going ahead.
This is what we're doing. Yeah. So, but he called
it the Skynet moment, which is the terminator, right, It's

(40:31):
the terminator, and it's also the no it's here, right,
you know, we're all interconnected. They're creating the collective intelligence.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, and another like tangent is now they're using our
bodies as nodes they.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Are, right, Yeah, So this when I go here, people
kind of you know, they call me the crazy conspiracy theorist.
I'm kind of used to it. It's okay, but you're
in good company here, so yeah, well good. But what
I encourage people to do is look at University of Amherst, Massachusetts.
It was a few years ago. It's like all I

(41:07):
think back in twenty twenty. Actually they talk about six
G and they talk about six G using humans to
harness an antenna. So then you team that up with
the I triple E. Right, they're doing all this research
on the Internet of NanoBio thing. They're doing research on
sensory nodes. You can also look up a w BAN

(41:30):
WBA N and then you can look up I won't
say it out fully just for you know, these the
purposes of being here, but if you look that up,
look it up. Also under that twenty twenty you know
illness and the medical areas, and this is where they
were doing a lot of experimentation on this and then

(41:52):
you can also look up all the universities that it's
around the world that are studying both the internet and
NanoBio thing and the Internet of the sensors. So it's
that's what the wearables are going to be. But they
have light technology, so they don't even need like you
to be wearing anything. They can do it through they

(42:12):
have like a reader, so it can, you know, take
an image of your face and then flash light at
you and they can read your temperature. Like just that's
just one example. But that's how accurate this type of
biometric data mining is. And they that technology is well
under what I mean, that's not like predictive or like

(42:33):
speculative at all. They have that technology, they're using that technology.
So I just like, I'm just trying to give people
like actual data points they can go research, because I
know it sounds so crazy to people. They're like this
is just crazy science fiction whenever I go there, But
this is really humanity two point zero. You can look
that up too. That's a whole organization. And I looked

(42:53):
up because when I was doing this article, I found
the you know, Humanity plus. Humanity plus used to be
called the World Transhumanists Association, and I'm trying to see
if there was any uh, you know, connection to the
Humanity two point zero. The only connection is Harvard University.
Harvard University is working with Humanity two point zero organization,

(43:13):
which is totally transhumanism. But they're working with them on
what they call the Human Flourishing Project. And I don't
think their version of human flourishing is quite what you
and I might think of as human flourishing.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
But do they even have definitions for anything that we
would agree with? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Well, I'm working on a I've been under the weather,
but I'm working on a companion glossary to this article
so that people can see what, you know, the words
that they might think it means, and then they can
see what it really means.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Good. Yeah, you need that, because even I was reading
it and all these big words were making me mad,
and I'm like, I don't understand this. So I'm going
to take it as disrespect, not from you, but from them,
like all these thinkings, who is this? Okay? So, because
right now they think that we're in what's called game A,
which is the current zero sum system or otherwise late

(44:09):
stage capitalism. Yeah, and we're trying to transcend into Game
B with the omni win, where everybody is winning all
the time, a world where decentralized autonomous organizations replace corrupt governments.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
And this is really really important for people to understand.
Decentralized is a huge budge buzzword for them. And you know,
I know I sound like a broken record, but it's
so important for people to understand. Like even Belagi Shnamawsen
in his Network State book talks about how the decentralized
towards a recentralized center. He explicitly says it that we've

(44:52):
got brock Peers who you can look at his speeches.
I was just watching one from twenty eighteen. He actually
says bitcoin chain, you know, all these quote unquote decentralized
types of UH, decentralized autonomous organizations are going to be
utilized to create global citizens. There's nothing more centralized to

(45:12):
me than creating a globalization of citizens and you know,
eradicating and eviscerating any kind of personal and national sovereignty.
To me, that sounds exactly like globalization and centralization. So
really what it is is HG welve Right, He talked
about the UH, you know that that decentralized ganglia of
information institutions, which would be like the academic institutions, the

(45:36):
media organization, that they would be the conduit to create
the world brain. And I think, right, if we ask today,
what is that? What are the information institutions today? It's technology.
It's the Internet. That's what they think saying, right, And
Bruce Lifton, the evolutionary leader, says that now we have
the opportunity to co create the super organism of humanity,
and he says the membrane will be the Internet, and

(45:59):
that is what they believe.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
So so last time we talked about tokens and tokenization
of things, and you said that they think that evolutionary
traps like arms races are preempted by game theoretically stable incentives.
So what are these incentives that they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
So they're saying that right now we're in we're subject
to these evolutionary traps. So what I tried to point
out in this article is that all of this is
predicated whether it be the spiritual eugenesis who subscribed to
social Darwinianism. They say they're anti Darwin because they reject
natural selection because it's too competitive, Right, we have to

(46:41):
get rid of the competition. We don't want individuality, you know,
that pesky free will thing. We got to get rid
of it.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Oh yeah, evolution isn't very communism and you is it?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, exactly, so they But then there's obviously the you know,
direct Darwinian which is more the violut biological theory of
evolution and what people like Brett Weinstein or Weinstein he's
an evolutionary biologist, so he subscribed to the theory of evolution.
And so prior to even you know, going into what

(47:14):
they believe and what the evolutionary traps are, I really
wanted to drive that home that you know, it's still
a contested theory. They act as if this is fact,
and you know, I know, it's accepted in a lot
of scientific circles, and they, you know, they adopt the
theory of evolution as if it's pretty much almost fact. Right,
they subscribe to it, but it is widely contested. It

(47:35):
is still theory. It has not been proven with any
kind of certitude. It's just a theoretical model. But you know,
now that we've gotten that out of the way, based
on that theory, they believe that there's all these evolutionary traps,
right that we're going to be we there's natural selection,
there's a you know, certain certain things are going to survive,

(47:57):
other things won't. So there's all of these traps and
this is why we're in a competitive world and what
they're trying to But they say that that's self extinctory. Right,
We're going to cause bring about our own extinction because
we're destroying the planet in the process. We are competing
against each other, you know, it's a rival or society

(48:17):
and of course the you know, leads to aage capitalism
is going to end in this like you know, you
were talking about apocalyptic stage, right, Well, they call it
the meta crisis. So we're going to go extinct because
of the meta crisis, which is really largely centered around
this Gaya religion. That's mostly what they're talking about. They've
got some other things that they throw in there, but

(48:38):
that's that's the main focal point. And so they're saying
we need an omni win. Win is anti rivalrous. We're
all going to you know, it's the infinite game, which
is based on James Carse theory of the infinite game.
So we can keep on playing and it will all win,
which is really just sounds like a utopia, but unfortunately reality,

(49:00):
I think it's going to be a dystopia and a
hellscape because they're they're talking about creating a like an
agi that we parent because it's going to be benevolent.
But what is benevolent a AGI? Like my idea of
a benevolent AGI is not one that creates a complete
globalization and a complete uniformity of thought, you know, And

(49:25):
I'll just finish with this other point because I think
it's really you know, it makes it so clear for people.
So Robert Mueller, you know, he was like the Secretary
General to the UN for four decades. He's where we
get the World Core curriculum that's based on Alice Bailey's
education in the New Age, and he wrote it in
his like two thousand ideas that became four thousand ideas.

(49:46):
He really fancied himself a visionary. You know, all these
very humble people who have such ideas of how humanity
should function, the new operating system for civilization, but they're
very humble. But he said that the whole purpose of
the UN is for peace. Right, that's the exoteric messaging
of the UN. Right, we're gonna have to keep having
war so that we can get to peace. But peace

(50:07):
is the agenda. But really what he's saying is that
we have to eradicate free will, because he's saying that
we can't have any dissenting opinions or dissenting cultures, or
dissenting anything really, because like even if you and I
were to paint our vision of like a utopia, just

(50:27):
the perfect world, there may be elements in that that
are in diametric, like juxtaposition to each other. So like
your vision of what a utopia is, there may be
clashes with mine, and so in order to achieve mine,
I have to eradicate you and your vision. And that
is really what they mean by peace. It means any
dissension has to be eradicated. That doesn't sound so benevolent

(50:50):
to me.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
That sounds pretty woke cancel culture to me.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Yeah, yeah, so actually.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah, you say so, this calls for a Promethean innovation,
they say. And every time you hear that kind of talk,
it's very it's going to be Luciferian, right, yeah, yeah, gnostic.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Gnostic Luciferian right there, becoming their own God. And really
that's to me, that is what the transhuman religion, and
I do think it's a religion. They're creating a cyber Satan,
that's what I call it. You know, people may disagree
with me, but that that's that's what it seems like.
They're they're creating this cyber Statan that they're they're gonna worship,
but it's so that they can become their own god.

(51:35):
We've got, you know. So you start with this guy
a religion which is very pantheistic. Then they transition into
I would say this the New Age, and the New
Thought becomes very pan antheistic, right, so they become their
own god and now and then we have the dialectical
pantheism now, which is what they're you know, putting against

(51:55):
each other to spin towards the Omega point, which is
this transhuman vision where there you know, they claim that
it's going to be the enhancement of humanity, the augmented humanity,
but really I think it's going to be the extinction
of humanity. It's a replacement.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
So uh yeah, I agree with that. I don't trust
anything coming out of this because where is this being
funded from? All of these questions come from you said
the Edge Foundation, Yes, which received funding from Jeffrey Epstein
for fourteen whole years, and he was friends with the

(52:36):
pioneers of AI genetics and transhumanism.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yes, yeah, I'm gonna call this show babies because that's
what he was doing.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
He was at a ranch in New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Ranch where he and what's so weird is he never
had children supposedly, So either a he was inviertile. And
I didn't talk about this in my article because I
already made so many speculations, you know, But either he
was infertile, which I mean it's possible, I don't actually
think it's likely, and that's just my gut intuition. I
have nothing to base that on, or there was some

(53:13):
sort of like weird genetic cloning experimentation going on at
that Zoro ranch, and my gut says it's the latter.
I obviously I have no evidence to prove it.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
But well, let's talk about Harvard and MIT for a second,
because yes, the before.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You leave Edge Foundation, I want to tell you this too,
because this will trip you out. So the Edge Foundation
did a reboot civilization like you know conference. Guess what
it was talk about phoenixing. It was September tenth, two
thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Oh no, oh, yes, that's very Yeah, it's just date.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
I could put a see if I can find a reboot.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I mean, if you're a teople occultist, you're gonna recognize
that the big nine to one one was a huge
ritual to jumpstart another America, almost like a reboot, like
a great reset, like a mini catastrophe reset. Would you agree?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I would totally agree. I see I find it because
it was let's see, it was pretty interesting what they
say on the website. Let's see Age Foundation Reboot Civilization.
I found the video, but I wanted to find the

(54:53):
front page. But yeah, I would say, that's exactly Okay,
here it is rebooting Civilization edge dot org. This might
be oh, this was. They did another one a year
later in two thousand and two. But let's see if
we can find booting Civilization for Okay, here it is, yeah,

(55:15):
rebooting Civilization. It's a seminar. It was nine ten oh one.
Everything is up for grabs, Everything will change. There is
a magnificent sweep of intellectual landscape right in front of us.
One aspect of our culture that is no longer open
to question, is that the most significant developments in the
sciences today, i e. Those that affect the lives of

(55:38):
everybody on the planet are about informed by or implemented
through the advances in software and computation. That EDGE event
presented an opportunity for people in the various fields of
computer science, cosmology, cognition, evolutionary biology, et cetera to begin
talking to each other, to become aware of the interesting

(56:00):
and important work in other fields. So they were, you know,
doing this as an influence operation. And then the people
involved were just on the front page. I'm sure there
were more of them, but they were Mark Hauser, Lee Smollen,
and he's very interesting to me because Lee Smollen was
part of that Economic Manhattan project that was funded by
the Edge Foundation that Eric Weinstein put together right where

(56:24):
he did his speech at the Perimeter Institute, and that
is where he got connected with Jordan Hall, and he
was Lie Smollen and Seb Piquette who were like trying
to get them connected. And that was kind of like
the I don't know, I would say, it's like like
the ground for which Game B kind of spawned was

(56:46):
that meeting. So yeah, but anyway, Yeah, I know, Jordan
Pollock was there. Jaren Lanier, Brian Green, and David Gilenter
were some of the other names they mentioned. But yeah,
they go on lannying.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
I just did a book by him, so he thinks
that all of this stuff is not good.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
So that oh okay, he oh interested?

Speaker 1 (57:09):
He was a program? What did he do? You'll have
to go watch my show, not you, But if you're
interested in this show with Ruckus called is Sam, where
I cover a whole book about deleting your social media
right now because it's so bad for you by Jared
Jaren Jaren Jaren laniar O.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Interesting, so he must have changed his lexl Blower.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
He says software and computation are reinventing the civilized world,
rebooting civilization. In the words of David Glinter, it's a
software first world. Note Stanford AI expert this is all
the way back in two thousand and one. An AI
expert Edward fine Bound, chief scientist of the AI of
the US Air Force in the mid nineties. It's not

(58:00):
a mistake that the world's two richest men are pure
software plays, or that the most advanced fighter planes in
the US Air Force are bundles of software wrapped in
aluminum shells, or that the most advanced bomber is run
by computers and cannot be flown manually. Everybody in business
today is in the software business. But what comes after software?

(58:22):
I mean, it goes on. It's pretty long. He talks
about Pinker but yeah, you guys can look that up.
But that's interesting about Jaron. Yeah, I'll have to look
into him a bit more. And I saw that episode
that was great. Oh yeah, and he does seem to
be really against it, so yeah, and he had great suggestions.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
But yeah, he would know.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Oh and at the end it was like a whole.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Reveal because he said that these people in Silicon Valley
worship AI in a weird way and I'm not with that. Yeah,
and everything they do is trying to replace you man
with AI. So this is Epstein funded stuff. So he
funds these thing tanks. He funded MIT's Media Lab, Harvard

(59:09):
Program for Evolutionary Dynamics Humanity plus H plus, which I
wrote about at least fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
To talk it was the Transhumanism Organization Association. That's what
it was originally.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, and why is he funding all this so that
he could fulfill his eugenic fantasies of seeding humanity with
his DNA through his baby ranch in New Mexico. And
New Mexico you write about how Epstein's empire intersects with
gamebees origin at the Santa Fe Institute in New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Yeah, yeah, he was funding it at the same time
that Jim Rutt was a chair and Jordan Hall was
on the board of trustees. So and he his connect
was Marig Galman. He said that he was very close
to Marig Galman, who was like one of the founders
of Santa Fe Institute. So it does seem like there

(01:00:10):
was some sort of interesting kind of connection to game B.
I mean, it wasn't like he was directly funding, you know,
like Game B, although it seems like he's got his
hand in a lot of pockets that were developing the ideas.
I mean, GiB is basically just like a very Gimra
called it spore a spore moment, and it's basically kind

(01:00:32):
of like a decentralized thinking at the moment, and it
has been for the past decade. So but if you
think about it, like it looks like Epstein's had his
funding arm in many pockets of these many of these spores,
if you will.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Well, he invested forty million dollars into Volar Ventures, which
is a firm co founded by our buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Petal and Weinstein was a manager at the Teal Capital. Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
So this is the third company that I've heard of
that I know of that is named after Lord of
the Rings. So the Villar are the fourteen demigods of
Middle Earth who like establish order. He's also got a
company named after the Mithrael, the Elf Armor, and that's

(01:01:21):
the name of his capital management company. And then of
course Pallanteer is the all seeing eye of the dark
Lords in Lord of the Rings. So now we've got
science fiction again. Like you said, he worked with Donald Barr,
who was the father of William Barr, the former US

(01:01:42):
Attorney General. And the book Space Relations they call it
a slightly gothic interplanetary tale. Now there's another manospheric cult
going around that their Inner Circle is also based on
space tales of Conan the Barbarian what hey, yeah, you'll

(01:02:02):
have to watch that show we did with Tristan Haggard
called clown World. Conman. How these inner courts of these
influencer calls are yeah, based on human tr aff panspermia
the universe with your DNA traffic, slaves and have harems

(01:02:25):
and space babies. So he's not the only one on
this track, and I know that you can think of
another guy who's also obsessed with space and babies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
We don't have to name it, okay. So yeah, he's
going to create the technique on Mars, right, Yeah, that one,
but he seems to be doing more of that here
on Earth Show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
So you say they're using evolutionary rudder to justify Elite
oh Verse site and decording. The decoding the source code
enables god like reprogram of society and biology, and they
reference evolutionary biology a lot in manosphere influencing when it
comes to being monogamous. I don't know if you've noticed this,

(01:03:18):
but it's apparently impossible for a man to have discipline
and be monogamous because of evolutionary biology has created men
to sploog their pants formia everywhere as much as they can,
all the time and make all the space Davies that
they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
What's interesting about this so is Mark Gaffney, who's one
third of David Temple. Right, this is the first principle's
first values on evolving perennialism, forty two propositions on cosmoerotic humanism.
We've talked about this before. You can find it at
the Office of the Future dot com because they predict
the future because their channelers. But the David Temple is

(01:04:03):
really funny to me because they said the reason they
came up with the pseudonym David Temple is because they
didn't want to have any ego involved. But there's nothing like,
you know, egotistical about redefining a universal grammar for the
world and creating an anthro ontology where we rewrite the

(01:04:23):
story of the universe. It's not egogistical at all. But yeah,
so there. But Mark Gaffney is the guru to Aubrey Marcus.
And this is relevant because we've got you know, like
Zach Stein and Kenneth Wilberg are am B proponent. So
Mark Gaffney and he is you know, adjacent. But Mark
Gaffney is the guru to Aubrey Marcus, who is now

(01:04:47):
doing expanded monogamy, or as Mark Gafney calls it, radical monogamy,
which he says is the most sacred form of monogamy.
There's nothing more sacred, and this is basically just polyamory,
but it's the sacred version because it's under the guys
of the guru mentorship of Mark Gafney.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
So yeah, oh yeah, sounds bacred. It's like all these
guru's gone wild and all they want to do is
heal you with their fallas. So they talk about infinite
games where the goal is perpetual play through mutual benefit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, so this is the omni win win, right that
we can't we're in the zero sum game now because
we're in this competition. That's why I call it the
technological Age of Aquarius because what they keep saying, you know,
like if you go back to Changing Images of Man
right Stanford Research Institute. They were talking about how we're
in the age of Pisces, and Pisces is too focused

(01:05:49):
on the individual. There's too much competition. We need to
move into Aquarius, which is all it's the flow, right,
it's water, So it's all collaborative, it's it's unifying and
it's not competitive. And so I call this I call
game b like the technological Age of Aquarius because they're
using technology to create what they call collective intelligence, but

(01:06:12):
it's essentially a nosphere. But the omni win is where
they argue that everybody's gonna, you know, win, it's the
win win, it's anti rival with But what's very interesting
about this also is that you know, to bring up
changing images a man. It's also really just an extension
of you know, all those st Landmark Forum type workshops.
I did two of them, and I remember they kept

(01:06:34):
talking about how like there's the red and the black.
You know, it's like prisoner's game, prisoner's dilemma, and they
kept saying like you can choose the you know, zero sum,
or you can choose win win, Like they literally said that.
I mean that the the lifeboat game which sel now
uses with children. It's tragic that that game was traumatic

(01:06:56):
for me as an adult. I mean it was like traumatic.
I cried for a week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
I don't know what's it's swear.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
So like you have a they call it lifeboat, and
it's like the whole premise of it is like you
have to have certain people who will survive on the lifeboat.
They give you the whole analogy of the Titanic and
the idea behind it is like certain people. Will you
sacrifice certain people so that everybody can win?

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Somehow?

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
This is win win?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Who deserves to go into the future? Is that? Is
that the game? What is that the thought game? Who
deserves to go into the future?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Exactly? Yeah, exactly yeah. And I mean I found this
so incredibly traumatic. But they do this with children now.
So but it's this whole concept of win win. It's
like nobody you can't compete in anything. And I mean,
like I'm not in favor of like barbaric kind of

(01:07:52):
like competition where you you know, cheat and you know,
win it all all costs kind of a thing. But
there's healthy competition is part of survival and it is
part of human nature and many like brilliant experiments, and
you know, advancements in society have come as a result
of competition. You know, there's self competition, there's group competition.

(01:08:13):
What are team sports like? You know, So this idea
that we're and it's just not realistic. You're never going
to have a society where there you eliminate all competition.
The only way to do that is to eradicate the competition.
And that's why I keep bringing up this analogy of
Mueller talking about peace and what it really means. What
the UN vision pieces, it's really you radicate all dissension

(01:08:36):
and all distinction, so you become the one, right, and
then that's what the UN actually has a symposium on
this too, they call it manifesting the Oneism. I have
that in my Conclave of the Hierarchy article.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
It's like that that if you give AI the task
of world peace, then the simple list way to that
is just to eradicate everyone, and that's its idea of peace.
Like how many movies have they made where the computer
the ultimate solution, right, the AI is just h kill everyone?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah? Well, and I was so creeped out. I saw
making two point zero and did you see it? Yeah? Okay,
So they ended, They literally ended with game B terminology.
Like I like almost jumped out of my seat. I
was like, they used game B terminology?

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
What did they say?

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
They said that we need to she like testifies before
you know, Congress or whatever. I don't know what it is,
but it's like it looks like it's like Congress or something,
and she says, so we need to pass laws where
we learned to parent the AI so that we can
co evolve and then literally, so right now, I dida
like it was supposed to be a five minute video,

(01:09:56):
but I'm very long winded, so it was thirty minutes,
which is very short, but I will do a longer
livestream on it. But there is a document and it
is Game B. One of them is a direct Game
B proponent. The other one is a member of the
Club of rome A bunch of these people have gotten
together and they've created a global constitution for AGI and

(01:10:17):
they talk about how we have to parent the AGI
to create benevolent AGI that is going to be unified. Right,
this is all about creating globalization and global citizens. But
they literally say that we have to parent the AGI
and co evolve with the AGI. This is in this
global constitution. And the creepiest part of this constitution is

(01:10:40):
they talk about they're all in for the guy a religion.
So they talk about how humans are destroying the planet
and we're creating the extinct self extinction because we're destroying
the planet. You know, nobody seems to bother to look at
the Club of Romes, like nineteen ninety two document that
literally says that they made it up. That is a lie.
It's literally in their own words, but because they needed

(01:11:03):
propaganda to create a common threat and no common enemy.
But they said that because we're doing this, that AI
is being trained, and because of their capacity for information
gathering and assessment, that they actually might come up with
better ethics than humans and so and be more better

(01:11:24):
stewards of the planet. And so therefore we might have
to be submissive to the ethics of AI. So this
sounds like a cyber statan to me, I don't know,
submit to cyber sharia. Yeah, exactly, Yes, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
And it's Oh, here's what I was going to tell you.
You're just reminded me. You have to watch Alien Earth
Oh okay, because this is a TV show that takes
place like almost right before the movie Alien Oh okay,
and the corporation owns the city. It's exactly what you're

(01:12:11):
talking about. It's there's a city that is owned by
like a Mark Zuckerberg character, a boy genius, young tech lord, okay,
and he's like the king of that And so they're
not they're not countries. They're corporate competing corporations. Now yeah,

(01:12:33):
so yeah, so wash watch that. You're going to freak out.
So Megan to the end of it talking about Game
B and Alien Earth is a predictive programming of these
by camp well what they called by Cameron Campbell, not
by Cameron whatere.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Were they Oh my gosh, I don't know right now,
neo cameralist, Oh new camera lists, Yeah, yeah, yeah, City States,
that's Curtis Jarvin. Yeah, all these words like I'm glad
you're making a glossary because it's like these tech words.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
And then they even say that it's hard to explain
to their puny human minds and attempts to do so
maybe poisoning the well, yes, yeah, so there to play
out the plan.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yeah, because you're coming from Game A, so you're you're
already projecting onto Game b's you're poisoning it. And Daniel
Schauckenberger basically says, we have to like use social engineering,
you know, because people are already too immersed in Game A.
I'm paraphrasing, but it's essentially what he says. And then
there was Jake Ruiz who talked about he was working

(01:13:46):
on it, and this is when he was talking about
the Game B film, and he was saying, how like
he's working on a Disney project and he says, yeah,
I'm just going to trojanhorse game B into that project
and every other project they're talking about trans media and
how that's what they have to do. So essentially they're
talking about social engineering game B.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yeah. Yeah, these trojan horses, and they come in the
form of cartoons, children's media, anime. Annie Valentine, I mean,
look what the crack team at DOGE what are they
up to this week? Last time I checked, it was
a AI babe walking down the beach in American flag bikinis.

(01:14:28):
So this is what top men are doing online for
the public. Right for you, you get more AI coorn And
what is it? Chat g EPT induced psychosis?

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Yes, right, that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Thing now, So I do think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
A real thing. But the other thing that I'm really
concerned about with it, and people aren't really focusing on
this aspect, but you know, yes, I don't doubt that
people could, you know, their psychosis could be enhanced by
befriending chat GBT. But it's also feedback loop, right, So
they're data mining from you and then they're programming you
so they know what buttons to push, and then they're

(01:15:10):
also connected to a greater grid, so they can be
reporting you, And I really I'm very opposed to like
any kind of institutional commitments that isn't voluntary. I know
there are people who need help, and but I think
families can do interventions, you know, communities. I'm want to
bring back a silunce. Yeah, I know they're trying to

(01:15:33):
do that, and I don't sub I don't like the
forced incarceration like or forced asylum, you know, I don't
like that at all, Like if anybody's seen one flow
over the kuzu's nest, like if you go in there
saying you will come out crazy. Yeah, And so I
really have major issues with this whole forced and chet
GPT or any kind of AI has the ability to

(01:15:55):
be a stazzi reporting you and who knows what buttons
they put wish to get you there to say whatever
needs to be said for you to be considered insane
quote unquote right. So I think it's really dangerous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
If you're too feminine, you could be insane, if you
exactly can't control your emotions, if you don't like there's
a million qualifiers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
You opened your eyes too wide, you look angry, They say,
I blink too much.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
So let's talk about transparentdimatic Christianity, which is the Christianity
is a worldview bridging innovation and tradition. And this is
where Jordan Hall comes in and the game be Christianity
and the new christian that they are positing with Doug Wilson,

(01:16:52):
Angel Webbin and these characters.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, and Charon Hall is a the truth. He said,
it's like a Southern Baptist church that he joined, So
it's it's in that wheel. It's a similar wheelhouse, I
guess too. I don't think it's officially like a sy
or you know e a c church, but it just
seemed to be in that umbrella or adjacent. But he's

(01:17:17):
a but yeah, I mean his version of Christianity is
very strange to me. It's a I mean, it's still
a little like kind of redolent of like Peter Chields Christianity.
He's talking about like network states as being He did
a whole speech for the Startup Society's Foundation in Prospera
Peter Deals Prospera, talking about network states. He did two

(01:17:40):
of them, talking about Game B and network states. But
the latter one that was more recent because less than
a year ago when he had his quote unquote conversion
to Christianity, and he talked about game be Christianity. He's
actually done videos like titled Gamebee Christianity. And I don't
know how game B is commensurate with Christianity. First, like
just on the very basic love of any kind, forget

(01:18:02):
like any sect of Christianity, whether it be Orthodox or
Baptist or Protestant, whatever, regardless any Christianity, because they're talking
about collective intelligence and that eradicates free will. So I
don't see how Christianity and game B. I don't know
how you reconcile those two. But he did this whole
speech talking about how we should use liturgy and he

(01:18:25):
doesn't use the word communitarianism, but it is essentially communitarianism.
So for people who aren't familiar with communitarianism, you know,
this is where we got like Bush's compassionate conservatism. You know,
this is a branch, a branch of communitarianism. It goes
all the way back to the eighties. Rosa Cory did
a great like expose a kind of distilling this back

(01:18:46):
in the eighties, talking about communitarianism is the future vision
for the UN. But it comes out of third way politics, right,
so it really then Rosea Cory said that actually very
astute of her to recognize that back then. But Third
Way again, for those who aren't familiar, I did an article.
It was called the Technological Age of Aquarius, Third Way

(01:19:07):
dream or digital dystopia. Spoiler alert. I think it's a
digital dystopia. But Anthony Gintons wrote a book. He's a
babyan socialist right, and he wrote the book on Third
Way politics and he says it's always left of center,
and he says it's a radical center. And so he
said it has to be left of center for these
social and emancipatory goals. And so when you talk about communitarianism,

(01:19:31):
it is this concentration of the radical center. I believe
that steering towards technocracy. This is what it looks like.
All of these people are arch technocraft and they use this,
you know, they call the radical center. But people think, oh,
it's these moderate like you know, these are the same people,
Like it's not. I'm not here with you know, clowns,

(01:19:51):
left yokers are the riot here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
I am in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
But it's not that it's a radical center. And they're
using technology to to create this hybridization of essentially the
network states that's what it is. So they say it's
like community combined with balancing out individual needs with the community.
But they're doing it through technology. And I'm sorry, once
you're entering into a smart contract, there's no individual like

(01:20:17):
good luck opting out of a smart contract that's recursive.
I just don't see it. Like we already have these
click in contracts that are constantly upgrading. They're updating. Nobody
can possibly read them because you'd be spending hours every day,
all day. But we all use these services, whether it
be the social media platforms or whether it's like your
rent a car. You know, it's everything has these like

(01:20:39):
click upgrade serve terms of services, and in it you're
constantly seating your rights, your liberty, your sovereignty. So they're
using property rights and contract law to do this. So
it's very concerning. But all this just to say that
you did this speech where he talks about how we
should use liturgy, uh, you know, to create this this community,

(01:21:02):
but he's really talking about communitarianism. It's not liturgy in
the sense of, uh, you know, the Christian biblical sense
of liturgy. This is really talking about communitarianism and third
way and technocracy. So it's very deceptive in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
And all the things that we're talking about are very
like anti Christian values. I mean artificial surrogates and robo
wombs and there's not a priest alive. I don't think
that would bless that, so women would.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Be because they're just you tell it, you know, utilities
that's just you know, for bodily functions.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Well, speaking at that, like if I can go on
a tangent like thirty seconds real quick. I was reading
this thing about the Pyramid text in Egypt, and it
was very parallel to what we're seeing with these ideas,
because they viewed women's bodies as too sacred to be
governed by themselves alone. So a woman's body was governed

(01:22:05):
by the priestcraft and the state, and there was very
strict laws about like procreation and fecundity, and like if
you didn't produce enough children or male children or any children,
you were subject to like punishments or you were sent
to the temple to be rehabilitated, which meant like sexual
prostitution in the temple. All kinds of crazy you know,

(01:22:30):
just uh policing of birth and biology and women do
not have free will over their body in ancient Egypt,
and I'm seeing this themes come up again and it's
just really weird to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Yeah, it's it's it's terrifying. I mean it's really terrifying.
And on top of it, they're they're doing all these things,
which this will be a really quick tangent, but I mean,
we know how much they're poisoning people. We see the
rates like plummeting, right, I mean that they're plummeting, and
then somehow like a woman's worth nothing if she doesn't

(01:23:07):
have children, but meanwhile you poison them, like yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
I wrote that down to talk about on the very
last page. So we're gonna hole back around so that sentience,
O quick, yeah, real quick. So what we're talking about
is techno Satanism, which the Temple of Set is big
on that. I don't know if you've looked into them.

(01:23:35):
So they have what is called the Black Flame, which
is the insertion of technology to quantum leap evolution.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
And they stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yeah, they picture this as the Monolith from two thousand
and one, which was you know, the thing that arrived
that set in the two thousand and one story. It
arrived on Earth and it brought the caveman to enlightened man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Right, So this is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
The idea of the black Flame, something that jump starts
another wave of evolution. And I've seen stuff fits exactly
into this. You know, he dreamed of seeding humanity with
his DNA. This is just like James Bond villain in
the movie A View to a Kill. His name was

(01:24:34):
Max Zorin, played by Christopher Walkin, but he was also
trying to seed humanity with his own DNA.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Such. Yeah, the quantum stuff, I don't both thread on
Twitter about like how the common theme, like it's such
a buzzword between the New Agers and like Q and
they talk about the financial quantum system. There's quantum everything.
I won't read it if you don't want to, because

(01:25:03):
it's a pretty I'm not that long, but I go
through like all the parallels of it, and it does
tie back to like, you know, Pythagoranism and Mythrianism. But
I'll just say this, I'm very concern concerned too, right,
cerns all into the quantum stuff, and they're rewriting the
story of the universe, just like the cosmoerotic humanists are.

(01:25:26):
But I'm very concerned, and this is just a theory,
but I'm really concerned with the tokenization and where that's
going with you know, because the infrastructure is being built
for that, with the he signed the Genius Act, He's
got the Stable Act and the Clarity Act that are coming.
A lot of elements of the big beautiful Bill, which
is not so beautiful but it's very big, are you know,

(01:25:47):
really laying the groundwork, the infrastructure, the legal infrastructure for
transitioning into this kind of not just digital currency, but
really tokenized not just economy, but everything. And my big
concern is that you've got people who on the quote
unquote right who are still all in with this Q,

(01:26:10):
you know, like Jasara and Nasara, and we're going to
get the quantum financial system. And when the quantum financial
system comes, you're going to get your debt jubilee. And
I am really worried that they're going to use that
debt jubilee to entice all these like pro Maga who
still subscribed to Q and are going to say, oh, well,

(01:26:31):
we'll give you, like, you know, double the tokens if
and you will, you won't have to pay the mortgage
on your house no more students. You don't own your house?

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Yeah yeah, no more student loans, no more mortgage.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
But exactly own anything, exactly right. I don't know about
the be happy part, but the you don't know anything,
we're really closed to there. So anyway, sorry tangent, But.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Well, speaking of money, all this money is getting funneled
into these prestigious you know, Harvard, MIT and Crisper is
going to be a big one. If you don't know
what Crisper is, that's going to be in the news,
so just watch for that. He also funded Jeffrey Epstein
I'm talking about. He also funded over your dating app, right, yes,

(01:27:18):
based on eugenics and STDs to prevent unfit children.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Uh huh yeah, the dating app. I forgot the name
of the app, but it's an actual app. Yeah yeah,
and it's just the total eugenics so you can like
select for your positive eugenics genetic selection.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
So what we're seeing here is I think that we
figured out the quantum leap and evolution is the merging
of you know, synthetic technology with biology, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
There are synthetic biology conferences like every year. Singularity University
does all of these, like you know, conferences on it.
This is a whole field and all over the world,
and they're grooming a whole generation of like college students
and grad students in synthetic biology. So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
And then we have Sophia. Now I talk about her
a lot because she creeps me out. So this is
the robot with three rights. She's got a UN title.
In twenty twenty three, her and other AI robots had
a UN press conference in Geneva where they discussed the
potential for robots to run the world more efficiently than.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
So. Yeah. So Ben Gertzel is one of the people
who's writing this constitution, this global AGI constitution, and he's
already had meetings with the world that non forum, the
UN talking about, you know, how we have to create
the benevolent AGI. And of course, yeah, he's behind the
Hansen robotics, the Sofia, the I don't know, his ideas

(01:29:01):
are very creepy, but yeah, creepy, creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
Speaking of creepy, he was into cryonics. That was another
of his ventures, and he wanted to freeze his head
and penis.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Yes, right, yeah, I think this was also tied to
like the Brain initiative. Weren't they doing like the cryonics
with the brain and this whole experiment where they were
like preserving lenin yeah, with lenin ye.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
So what you're talking about is the is all part
of this conscious evolution, the new sphere or the high
find or the global brain, and this is just what
like the borg of Star Trek, Yes, one of them,
exactly what it is, but one of us. And they
want to replace humans with technologically enhanced entity. He's in

(01:30:00):
a very Malthusian culling narrative. Yes, so yeah, I think
you're gonna have to be able to prove your usefulness
in the future. I mean, maybe not for a couple
more decades, but some people are gonna be on the
chopping block because they, like you said, they've been sterilized,

(01:30:23):
or they are broke, or you know whatever reason, don't
have the right genes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
So what I really tried to lay out was that,
I mean, all of this is eugenic. So you've got
the left hand path even in game B, you have
this still dialectic and you get the spiritual eugenesis right.
The Barbarmarks Hubbard Disciples Barbara Marks Hubbard would talk about
how conscious evolution, which your conscious Evolution Foundation was actually

(01:30:50):
funded largely by the RockA Coefeller event by the Rockefellers.
But she would talk about how, you know, like the
people who lack, who are too selfish and lack, but
they can't evolve, and so they're not going to ascend,
so they just have to go, they have to disappear.
But what is their definition of selfishness? It's like literally
people who are you know, individual and you know, focused

(01:31:13):
on like self growth and you know, yeah, just individuals.
And so she has this whole idea though, if you're
not part of this you psyching network. This is a term.
I've done some shows on that, but that's that comes
out of Maslow, which she said that Maslow taught her
about you psyching networking and it was so exciting because

(01:31:33):
it was better than sex. And she coins this term
supra sex. But she talks about how those people are
going to dice exactly like Blovatsky and Bailey, they will
get subsumed. So these are the spiritual eugenesis and they're
you know, this is the conscious evolution, and they are
a lot of them are direct disciples. A lot of

(01:31:55):
these gameye people like zach Stein, Mark Gaffney. These are
direct desciples of barbar Marks Hubbard. In fact, they co
created the term cosmoerotic humanism. They talk about that, and
then you have these it is game B, which is
the left hand path, but within that you get these dialectics.
And they believed in institutional reform, so they claim that

(01:32:16):
they're much more logical, and you know, the rational scientists,
but we know rationalism is it's just the one wing
of that dialectical path of the mysticism. And there because
I would argue, complexity theory is not a heart science,
even though they're saying it is. But they're subscribing to
evolutionary biology, so they believe in natural selection, uh, and

(01:32:40):
that you know that we have to escape these evolutionary trafts,
which is this, uh, you know, which is natural selection
and competition. We have to transcend that. So either way
though you get eugenics, it doesn't matter which path. Ultimately
it's some you know, the one who have ascended will
survive and everybody else is going to be called. And

(01:33:00):
Barbara's Hubbard said, a fourth of the universe, a fourth
of the plant, has to be cold, you know, and
be the pale horse that decides who dies. Oh yes, yeah,
and I actually I linked to a video that where
she talks about I don't know if it was a freudiance,
if it was a slip or but she literally says
eating babies. She creeps me out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
That's crazy. Yes, yeah, so she said one quarter of
humanity must be limited, and we as in the barbarmars
covered in them. We are in charge of God's selection
process for Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
That's right. This is the co creation. But they're very
humble people. They keep talking about how humble they are,
but they believe they're going to co create with God.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
They basically become God.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
On the website, the wiki for game b is The
opening for the introduction is Stuart brand opening line for
his Whole Earth magazine from nineteen sixty eight, where he
says we are as gods, we better get good at it,
And then he updates it in twenty fifteen and he says,
we are gods, we might as well get good at it.
There's nothing deeper stick about this at all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
And they want everyone on Earth to take the gene
therapy by any means possible, even if it's a mosquito
or a tick, or you eat it or like the
GMO and your crops or whatever, like you thought you
dodged a bullet by not getting that stabby while they've
got many more vectors to deliver this gene therapy to you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Right, they do there ay by any means. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
And then there's the whole genetic prediction services. So they're
really messing with God's territory in the womb here and
free will and women's bodies and stuff like that, because
now they want to predict with the crisper and all
of that and the designer babies. So this is like gatka.
This stuff has been in the news for a long

(01:35:05):
long time, but it's just becoming mainstream now because of infertility.
And let's see, let's let's get there. What else we
got Hgul's World Brain, Intellectual dark Web.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Yeah, the intellectual Dark Web was a whole big section.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I've always had kind of the theory that it was
an influence operation for game B I've also thought that
it was an intelligence operation. I can't prove that, but
it looks that way to me. All words seemed to
lead there. But Andrew Cohen in his manifest Nirvana does
basically say he doesn't use the words influence operation, but

(01:35:46):
he pretty much says that it was the emerging for
game B. And then we have the intellectual deep web,
which is what intellectual dark Web morphs into. And the
intellectual deep web was created by David Fuller, who uh,
one of his first documentaries was on Jordan Peterson and
he to documentaries for BBC, you know, which isn't like

(01:36:08):
a smoking gun that it's an intelligence operation, but BBC
is usually linked to kind of like state media. I
don't know, it's it looks curious to me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Well, I mean it's like all these podcast bros that
you talk about. The game b blends the gnosticism, the
Jungian archetypes, the pseudo Christianity, the neo Platonism into this
very attractive Uh, video game generation is going to love

(01:36:43):
this tokenization and totally online living and surrogates. So it's
you can see how they have been conditioning us to
accept this ready player one type of reality.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Right exactly, Yep, totally.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
And so Homo amore you say, will navigate the meta
crisis through tech augmented collective flourishing and the aerosmistry school.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
That's Mark Gaffney and Aubrey Markush School.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
And the Path of the Erotic Mystics. So this is
very also like podcast Bro, because they're very into these
themes of like mystical shamanism, psychedelic bros. It's polyamory, free law,

(01:37:43):
you know, all of.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
That, the burning Man culture, Burning Man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Yeah, and so this is all just a trojan horse
to enslave you and if we can just you know,
tie this up with a big bow. At the end,
I wanted to talk about, like you touched on a
couple of minutes ago, the infertility crisis, and you know

(01:38:08):
just how they have, like Jay's lectures in all of
these global globalist books, it's always about depopulation. How can
we sterilize people? They've gone and done it, and now
they are at the point where, like so many people
are sterilized. They're switching it up and they're like, well,

(01:38:32):
if you can't have children, you're worthless. So it's like, thanks,
you just got done, you know, rooting everyone's fertility, and
now you're going to tell them that they don't matter
if they can't reproduce, right, yep, exactly, problem reaction solution. Yes,
how many geliens can you find? So at the very

(01:38:55):
end of this show, and I want to thank you
for these like really cool, very well researched articles that
just lay out the entire thing in plain language. Now,
a lot of what do you call them, liberals, they're
very worried about this, and rightly so, because this Christian

(01:39:19):
nationalism stuff sounds really whack. And it also they have
identified that this is very much like The Handmaid's Tales.
So have you ever read the book or watched the series.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
I've seen a little bit of the series. I know
my mom and my sister were really into it, but
I know a little bit about the premise and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
So, actually in my twenties, I mean, I was a
big reader as a child in young adult, but I
really was a fan of Margaret Atwood because I thought
her writing style was very good. It's like it's like
reading a dream almost, or the way she describes things.
It's very creative, and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
She's ad imagery.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Yeah, yes, it's super talented literature. And one of the
first books I read of hers actually was Handmaids Tale,
and this was in like two thousand, two thousand, okay, okay,
and it was terrifying, like, oh, that could never happen here.
That's just so crazy, right, but here we are. Handmis

(01:40:26):
Teale was based on the nineteen seventy nine Iranian Revolution
and the theocratic regime change. So she actually said that
everything in this book happened somewhere in real life, but
he took the Islam and she changed it to christianese Yo,

(01:40:48):
and that's where she got the premise for Handmaids Tales.
So there's actually in the book it says Iran and
Gilead are two late century Mono theocracies, and even the
parallels with like the clothing that they have to wear,
the handmaid's dress is very much like the job that
they had to put on in Iran, and the wall

(01:41:10):
in the Handmaid's Tell is like the public executions that
were happening in that, you know, tumultuous time and the
things that Webon is calling for. He wants to publicly
execute women for liep And in Handmaids Tell it's they're

(01:41:31):
saying it's anti Christian, but it's not, because there's nothing
in there that's Christian. It's like just it's a veneer.
There's no crosses, there's no Christ, there's no Bible, there's
nothing like it's just very like Old Testament Gilead talk
and they say under his eye. So this is the

(01:41:51):
greeting that they give each other, the the loyalist, you know,
under his eye and may he open the womb and
the fruit and stuff like that. It's not Christian, but
it is. It is Chris Loome. Yeah right, yeah, So
as to tell is the American Shariah that we are

(01:42:13):
talking about? And who do you think installed radical Muslims
into power in Middle East? Who could that? Bee Courtney?
I mean, I turned out Iran, Afghanistan just the whole
nineties and early two thousands was all about getting into
the Middle East and meddling, and it was Western Clindestine,

(01:42:38):
you know, Cia, Black ops, stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
And who wrote the Migration for the benefit of all
when he worked for the UN between two thousand to
two thousand and two and it was the blueprint for
the UN with this whole Islamification of the West.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
That would be Eric.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Oh. Well, that's why I am on because you're wicked
smart and you know where I'm going with this. And
I'm not trying to be a feminist or against monarchy
or anything like that, but this American Shuria Charislam stuck
is the technocracy and the birth rates? Why is everyone
concerned with birth rates all of a sudden Now, like

(01:43:22):
we go on these high I'm not gonna name names,
but like high profile podcast and they're like, well, the
best version of Christianity obviously has to be the one
with the most birth rates, and like, well, why is
that you're a qualifier? That's kind of weird. But how
fast do you think they could apply those same tactics
of UH stripping women in Iran to here because it's

(01:43:48):
the same shadow government.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I think they're I think very fast, scary fast.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
I mean that's what I'm asking, Like, if the birth
crisis is crisisy enough, then they can take the rights
of the women's bodies and say it like, just like
in ancient Egypt, your body is too important to the
white race or to this or whatever. You cannot govern
it on your own because we need you to produce.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Well, let's let's just make this pretty concrete. So we've
got UH Trump in the first five months. Right, I've
already talked about the Genius Act, Stable ac Clarity Act,
big beautiful bill deregulating all of it AI. Right, don't
be a project Stargate, Project Stargate, yet AI precision medicine.

(01:44:39):
We've got MAHA, which is make America's MABA now is
what he says, make America biotech accelerate. It actually used
the word accelerationism in MAVA. So all these people who
thought they were getting you know, uh, make America healthy again,
it's really about he's talking about making everybody where the
wearable for the Internet of wearables that are tied to

(01:45:01):
the Internet of everything. Right, but we've also got Trump
and look this is it's not for me to judge.
Like I think that the you know, the whole IDF
industry can be a huge blessing to people there. There
are many because so many families are struggling. But these
now talking about having insurance cover it, right, and when

(01:45:25):
we started doing the insurance industry now again, I know
it can be a huge blessing for people, like there's
a lot of good that can come out of it. However,
we know the whole insurance industry is a total scam.
I the analogy I use for the insurance industry is,
you remember we had the British East Indian Company and
it was essentially a cartel. Like the drugs back then

(01:45:46):
were like tea and coffee and you know opium and
maybe cokaine.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
That's why we had heroin because of them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Yes, and what did we have back then? As the
insurance company was essentially like the cartels that covered for them, right, Well,
then they created these insurance companies and like life insurance
is really like a death industry. They're they're betting on
your death right. I don't mean to be crude about it,
but you know, like that's essentially again, I know it

(01:46:14):
can help people. Uh, you know, there's always the double
edged swords and a lot of these things, but if
you just look at the facts, that's like where we've
gone the trajectory. So you've got this industry that's now
going to be incentivizing people, and you're putting it into
this uh, I mean, the the regulations that are going
to be put on it. So I just think it's

(01:46:34):
a very slippery slope because you on top of the
it's one thing to do. I have, yeah, but then
it starts becoming the genetic testing. Then it starts becoming
you know, ectopod life in ecto life pods or robots
or I just think what's happening you have and that
whole big beautiful bill. I know they did push back

(01:46:57):
on the deregulation, you know, they said like that, we
can't have So what do they do now? It's through
the states, But they incentivize the states through funding, So
the states will lose funding if they don't if they
regulate their AI. And this is how we got seatbelt laws.
Remember they say New Hampshire was the only one that

(01:47:18):
didn't follow suit. But basically they told all the states, okay, fine,
if you don't subscribe to our federal because it's not constitutional,
you know, but our federal seatbelt law, then we just
won't give you any funding for your roads for And
that's what they do. That's the loophole. So I'm just
pointing out, like very you know, we're seeing boots on

(01:47:39):
the ground, how this could be a very slippery slope
towards this path, which is this regulating of bodies, human
bodies and using technocracy to create this transhuman synthetic biology life.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
Well look at this. Can you see that robo woomb?

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, that's the Chinese? Is that the Chinese one?

Speaker 1 (01:48:03):
I think this is just an artist what they're working on.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
But I'll pull up the let me see if I can.
I'll pull this one up. But it's a literally like
a I don't know where I have it. I have
right here, but it's from the Daily Mail and it's
in China. My feet is going blank. But okay, here comes,

(01:48:31):
Let's see if I can find it. Is h m hm.
But it's it's literally a robot and they're you know,
pregnant robot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
Uh the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
I can find it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Yeah, while you look for that, I'm just going to
tell you. The caption on this picture says, once they
successfully make this robot that can give birth, it's over
for you, lady. And this got like a million likes
or something on it, like that's what they think of
women is they're just a baby production and if they
can find a more agreeable way to make humans, they're

(01:49:15):
going to do it and replace women.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Do you find it? Can you see that?

Speaker 1 (01:49:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Yep, right, And so the caption on it says, would
you use a robot circuit trying to develop the world's
first pregnancy humanoid that's capable of giving birth to a
live baby?

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Yeah, So top influencers are discouraging men from getting married
until the laws are fixed that favor them, because I mean,
I'm sure you've heard of all these grievances that you know,
they keep the children away from the men and the
divorce and stuff like that. So you're trying to tell
men marriage is not a good deal anymore. But you
still need to have kids because the universe deserves to

(01:49:54):
be seated with your DNA. Right, but you don't need
to marry any women because you can't trust them. Instead,
they want you to opt for harems of baby mamas
and if you can afford them, right, if you can
afford five or six women with you know, twenty babies,
then go for it, or use a surrogate wife for breeding.

(01:50:19):
And they even say that it's better to get into
a relationship with a transgender for pleasure and status and
sex because they're not going to lose their figure in pregnancy,
they're not going to sue you for custody, they're not

(01:50:39):
going to expect you to marry them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
So wow.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
One top influencer has advocated for having a transgender as
your partner instead of an actual woman because you know,
the birthing people aren't hot anymore. What oh yeah, once
you give used up, you're no longer sexually attractive, so

(01:51:07):
reproductive models, these surrogates, this is the advocate for the
new family, which is you're just some kind of like
space lord with uh harem and a litter of space
babies hmm. And the trans thing, I mean this is
we all know it's ubiguous throughout history and royalty and nobility.

(01:51:30):
Like they were swapping a lot of gender roles. Yes,
and this is leading to robotic wombs because they just
got done with the mass sterilization campaign of the last
hundred years. So you've got your plant parenthood with the ebobos,
you've got your pushing of the birth control on every

(01:51:53):
young girl as soon as they start menstruating. I mean
they did that to me like as a teenage or they're.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Just yeah, they did that to me too.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Yeah. So and then they double down with the stabby's
making everyone infertile. I mean, they proved that a lot
of those uh you know, vax just go straight to
your reproductive system.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
Yep, right, yes, to prove that. And then there was
also the incidents of all the people who didn't get
it but had all their cycles messed up, and they
did studies on that. I mean, yes, it was somewhat.
I mean, it wasn't a double blind pacebo, but it
was pretty extensive anecdotal survey, and I mean, yeah, it

(01:52:37):
was pretty awful. Yeah, the effects.

Speaker 1 (01:52:40):
So now you're worthless unless you're the type of person
that can people can come out of and not. Women
in the workforce are about to be very affected by
AI because they make up a you know, big chunk
of the service industry jobs that AI is going to
take over.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
All of these newly.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Disenfranchised women gonna do. If they can't sell their body
for sex, they're gonna have to sell it for reproduction
if they can. Even if that's even an option, that's
gonna be right. Selling your body for surrogacy. I swear
that's gonna be coming up in the future because of AI.
And you know, instead of only fans, your womb can

(01:53:28):
be harvested by elites. And now I'm not talking about
loving families having babies. This is more like the reproduction
process in Brave New World.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
Exactly right, That's what I was trying to say, Like,
I get it. If you know, healthy like not be
families want to go through that prophet fancy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
It's perfect. That's lovely like but robo wombs, surrogates, crisper
gene editing, space babies, designer babies. This is all very abomination.

Speaker 2 (01:54:00):
Is so creepy too. And apparently there's a very famous
like ballplayer who is one of the first ones. Right,
I'm blaming on his name, but he was. He talks
about this and he's like a very famous like ballplayer.
But his parents basically like genetically selected him to be
like a you know, genetically enhanced creature.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
But yeah, and so I mean I think he's in
his forties now, so it's he was one of the
first or first public ones. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Yeah, in Brave New World, they had the classes of
people based on the Greek letters alpha, beta, delta, gammas,
you know your classes. And they're already getting kids to
do this. Are you an alpha male? Are you a
beta male? Are you a sigma? Are you an alpha woman? Like,

(01:54:53):
so they're already segregating into this like Brave New World
funnel and they have the young kids grouping to these
identities already.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
They have to.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
Restrict women from public places, just like in Afghanistan. I
watched this video of a TikToker who went to you know,
like Afghanistan, there's no women outside in the park, like
zero and he's like, where are all the girls. They're like,
they don't come outside, And so this is something they
don't want to see women at all because it's a

(01:55:25):
very gay agenda at the end of the day, Yes,
a very anti woman in all ways, and all of
these things that women should anti human Yeah. Yeah, so
at the end of the day they have the whole
laundry list of things that women shouldn't do, including have

(01:55:47):
a job, post online. Eventually it will be leave the
house without you know, your male escort or whatever, your
robo escort, if it even lasts that long. But I mean,
this is just a glimpse of where we're headed if
so many people buy into overthrowing the government with this

(01:56:08):
Christian nationalist.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
Yes, yes, so many of these. Yeah, I'm feeling very
like I can do like a lot of Christians complaining,
you know, like they're being persecuted. I'm like, it's it's
because so many people are like operating in this kind
of capacity that's giving in bad name, like this is
not doing any kind of service to Yeah. And then

(01:56:33):
of course we have my experience today with you know,
like Megachurch taking my material and not like crediting. I'm
great that the word is getting out. It's not even
about like my credit. But that's the right thing to do,
and then we could work together. We could. And they've
got some of the material wrong too, so like I

(01:56:53):
like it to be appropriately disseminated, you know, and if
you give the original source, then people do their own research.
But yeah, there's a lot of people using Christianity as
a cover and a grift. I don't know else to
say it, but it's a grift and it doesn't feel
very Christian to me. I don't think rifting is Christian.

(01:57:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
I mean, Bible warns about wolves and sheep's clothing, and
this technocracy is exactly that, and new things pop up
every day to confirm that we are exactly on the
right track and wicked smart. My friend Courtney has two
great articles up right now on substack at lead Q,

(01:57:37):
the Phoenix and about Epstein and tell us what you're
doing next.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
I'm working on a glossary that will be coming out soon,
so I'll get that. I am going to do a
longer live stream on this whole global constitution for AGI
where they think we need to parent it to have
a benevolent agi. I find it's so incredibly creepy. So
I'll be working on that, and then I have a

(01:58:08):
couple of more articles I'm going to be working on
in this vein. I've done some shows talking about like
you know, Society five and so I'll be working on
putting some of that together. And I'm co authoring a
book so that's around this topic. So yeah, so all
of those things that I'm going to be working on,
also putting some of these articles that are very long

(01:58:30):
into a book form that people can they not have
to read it on a screen. Yeah, perfect, Well, the
Algorithmic Oracle. A lot of people ask me to make
that available like the way they could print it, and
apparently it's hard to print from subjects. So I started
formatting it and it's one hundred and twenty pages in
a book. So well that's happening right there, almost right, Yeah,

(01:58:52):
it's a book. No, I'm going to keep these as
like mini books.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
So yeah, yeah, well look through that and we definitely
will have Courtney back in the future. And we next
up is me and Donut doing mystery schools and micro
Cults with the Face Lords. It's already recorded, so I'm
not promising nothing, but we're gonna air this one and
then we're gonna air Donut after that, so stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Yeah, very cool. Your Donut was telling me that he
was gonna do a show with you.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Yeah, we had a great show, so after this one
and then Donut. So thank you so much for coming, Courtney,
and I won't be the last time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Yeah, no, of course, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
All right, have a good night you too. Bye bye.

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