Tron: Ares, Blackphone 2, Bugonia & Eden -Jay Dyer Show (Esoteric Hollywood)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I was born in Romania in a Christian family.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Fante Coosta, Panti Costa.

Speaker 1 (00:10):

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Pante Coosta, Pantekosta.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
That's how they have charge right now.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
That's all about a charge.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
We're about to have any church party in the baby too,
that's what that's what they call the after party.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
I never heard of the after party.

Speaker 1 (00:39):

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Pante Coosta, Panti Costa.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I was born in Romania.

Speaker 6 (00:51):
In a Christian family, Pante Coosta, Panti Costa.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
About my.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
My fresh hot kid, chet, how about my kiss on
the first? Don't get wrong, I'm like some what I'm wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
This is a freaking weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Maybe we better have charm.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
I was Honor Romania in a Christian family.

Speaker 6 (01:23):
Sandy Conta, sank Costa.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I was Honor Romania in a Christian family.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Sandy Contact, Sandy Contact.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's what they I have charged right now.

Speaker 7 (01:44):
I'm I was born in Romania in a Christian family,
Santy Costa, Santi Costa.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I was Borner Romania in a Christian family, Fancy Costa.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Chanty Costa.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
That's how they have charged right now.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
That's how about a charge some we're about to have
an eye like shut church party and the baby too.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
That's what that's what.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
They call an after party.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
You'll ever heard of the after party? You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (02:24):
I was.

Speaker 6 (02:27):
In a Christian family, fant Costa, San Costa.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I was born.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
In a Christian family, Fancy Costa, Chanty Costa.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
I put my keys Dug and Ship my fresh out
of get you.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I put my kids Doug Ship on the.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
First all.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Depend don't both get wrong. I'm like, so what I'm wrong?
It's a freaking week.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Maybe we better have some charm.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I was owner Romania in a fish.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
Family, Sandy Contact, Sandy Contact.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I was honored Romania in.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
A flesh family, Sandy contact, Sandy Contact.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
That's what they have charged.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Right now, and tell the mounty.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
You find of in that.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
What you're doing up there? Why are you scared? Why
you running from them?

Speaker 9 (03:50):
Re bab, you ran mom, bantro and from me.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
Then till the mokey like the semil monkeys with the
banannas between the trees hanging.

Speaker 9 (04:13):
Down upside down, that's a smile. Then tell the monkey
what you doing to me? Till it till a monkey

(04:36):
till a macky.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Oh yeah, y'all ready for this, y'all ready for round two?
Y'all having a lot of fun out there. Welcome back,
chad nerds. It's almost time for an esotery Hollywood stream.
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too much dist So here's some arguments in favor of feminism.

(06:18):
I'm a feminist rapper.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Equal rights for all, yo, yo. Feminism fights.

Speaker 10 (06:27):
It gets the discrimination and advocations for equal rights, opportunities
and treatments regardless of judger. Women deserve equal rights and
justice just like man. That's why I equally spray the club.
Everybody gets one dollar. Let me hear your ho love.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
It goes right for women. I'm a feminist rapper, yo.
What was you saying?

Speaker 10 (07:00):
Feminists ain't got no booties. That's a stereotype. Listen, this
is a kind of beat that be coming out of
the stereo. That type You thought that women could just
type like a secretary hat. That's a stereotype, and that's racist.
Equal right for women, Equal right for women. I'm a feminist,

(07:26):
rubber a promote equality and fairness. Every woman needs to
be at the height of four feet in five inches.
Every woman should get the taos their feet's cut off.
Equal hype for women. This is hype for women, Equal

(07:47):
right for women. I'm a feminist challenging mo your stereo science.
Y'all no feminism?

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, so much for everybody wanted to come back from
a movie stream. Welcome back, all two hundred of you.
I guess no one watches movies anymore. I don't know.
It's another world. It's a world where the internet has
replaced movies, I suppose. I guess. I'm told that the

(08:25):
kids don't have attention spans anymore. So perhaps that's also
part of it. So to all of you beloved peeps
in the audience, how many of y'all saw at least
one or two of the movies on tonight's selection. Let

(08:46):
me know what you saw. Did you see Black Phone?
Did you see Pogonia? Did you see Eden? Tron Aries?
Where y'all at tonight two hundred people is a lot? Well,

(09:06):
I mean we'll hit I predict eventually we'll get up
to about five hundred maybe, but it just doesn't. I
also think that there might be something to things moving
in a niche direction. I watched a lot of YouTube videos,
and they talk about YouTube really being more of a

(09:26):
niche thing. Now I don't know that's true. So basically
nobody saw any of them except Begonia. Okay, A couple
of people saw Tron. Okay, okay, okay, that's all good.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
That's all good.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Y'all welcome here. Shout out to doctor Evo, who produced
that super fat beat. When I listen to that beat,
it's like, as she's clapping in my head, I'm like,
oh I hear it as she's clapping in my head.
Yes and yes, second work, but you're not going to

(10:01):
see it unless you subscribe to my Instagram. All right,
we got an interesting selection. I actually thought that pretty
much all four of these were. Okay, I was entertained
by all of these films. They're looking for.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Tron.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
I know, I put Tron in one of these esthetic colorhoods.
Maybe it's part two. I thought it was part one.
Maybe it's part two. Because we are going to weep
dive as we always do into the symbolisms. I watched
day so I don't have to. But these are not
Actually mic isn't horrible. It's if we have a mic

(10:45):
problem that has to be Is the audio choppy again?

(11:08):
Is that better? Yeah, somethings have to do the workaround.
So I guess there's still issues with stream labs and MAC.
It's not the mic. This is an expensive mic actually.

Speaker 9 (11:21):
So.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
I guess the chop has returned. I don't know. You
have to keep waiting for the nerds to put the
codes in. So really, with tron aries, the problem was
the writing. We'll get into that in the moment, because
I had a lot of positives. The writing and the
editing was weird and messed up. But Tron, let's go

(11:49):
to Trent. I'm not gonna do Tront yet. But I'm
trying to find I've written over a thousand pages on
movies here it is, so I don't remember where where
I covered where these movies are at in this vast
encyclopedia of film symbolism. And I was thinking, too, you
know the books are actually they're kind of like deep

(12:15):
union archetypal analyses that you could learn symbolism from You
could actually learn a pretty good approach to symbology in
general by reading my trilogy. And you don't have to
read all three. You don't have to start with one.
All three of them stand alone. They're just organized differently.

(12:38):
But I don't want to start with Tron because that one.
That one's kind of the big sort of blockbuster. Amongst
these selections, we usually start with the lesser known, So
I'm going to say, out of these, probably Eden is
the least known, though it has some of the biggest stars,

(13:05):
so I think they were banking on a good story
and a list cast to pull this film, and it
was better than I expected. In fact, sometimes I'm thrown
for a loop because I'm not watching a film expecting
it to be something that you could decode and dissect.
I did a podcast some months back where we covered

(13:30):
William Golding's book Lord of the Flies and we compared
it to the movie version with belt The Zarghetti, and
then we did a analysis of other similar themes, like
the show Lost in Mosquito Coast with Harrison Ford. In
that episode of literary and film analysis, which again only

(13:54):
ten thousand people will watch those twenty to thirty thousand
people will watch the debates. So I don't know. Maybe
I should have made niche channels. Maybe I'm just not
allowed to have more than one stream in a day
or something. Yo yo ho? Is that better? Hopefully we're

(14:27):
better now. It's the orbs. It's the Orbs. Ask Spiro
if he could fix Who the hell is Spiro? Dude?

(14:47):
Spiro te agnew. Yeah. So it's a workaround. So whenever
it gets choppy, I just have to do the work round.
So Eden is, as we said in that vein of
movies like The Village by Shamalama Dingdong, where can we

(15:09):
erect and can we create a kind of a utopian society?
There's been all kinds of various utopian types of movements,
and they were actually kind of kicking off in the
eighteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds. We get a lot of
similar types of ideas in the early nineteen hundreds, and
even California became kind of a testing ground for weird

(15:30):
utopian cults at the turn of the last century. So
Eden is set in that context, and it's based on
a supposed true story. I don't know how accurate the
movie is to the actual people who wanted to go

(15:51):
live on a desert island or actually the Galapagos Islands.
But essentially this radical atheist almost you think at first
Nietzschean character, right, you have Jude Law playing this sort
of Nietzschean atheist uber minch guy who thinks he's going

(16:13):
to establish not a community. And this is, I think,
which is initially a unique take on this perspective, but
just on his own. So he and his wife girlfriend decide, Okay,
we're going to do this. We are going to middle
Finger to civilization. We're going to return to a pure
state of nature. So it's kind of like Jean Jacques Rousseau.

(16:35):
It's a very Rousseau inspired ethos that Jude Law has.
And he gets there and decides that he's going to
have to pull his teeth up because apparently in the
eighteen hundreds one of the big killers was dental infections,
especially if you were living in the rough. So he's

(16:58):
fully gumming it as out says he's gonna gum the
New World Order. No dentures actually has these metal dentures
that he wears in some some cases. But he apparently
wrote these books as this atheist professor type Nietzschean figure, saying,
I defy civilization. I'm going to pull my teeth out,

(17:18):
go to a desert island, Glapagos Island, and live out
my days there and prove that man is actually made
for nature. And while in nature, I will discover the
great truths of man. But it's it's cast fascinatingly in
an extremely atheistic perspective. So right away he's one percent

(17:43):
anti good and he's sort of like the neck beard
of his time. All he wants to do is he
tells everybody you got you gotta tell everybody betterr atheism.
And his girlfriend wife, whatever she is. I guess they're
not married, because as an atheist he would probably be
in opposition to marriage. But she, I forget that blonde

(18:06):
girl's name is. She plays the uh it's the blonde
spy girl in the Mission Impossible series. She's a very
attractive British chick. She is not fully on board with
You can tell there's some tension between them. Well, fast
forward to a few months. I guess after they've been
there and they've kind of got their their little homestead

(18:28):
going and lo and behold, here arrives Sydney Sweeney and
her husband, and they have a young kid who's got
some sort of asthma problem. So yes, the main the
main character is literally like the archetype of a redditor,
and they've decided that the only thing that will help

(18:50):
their son is if they can find Jude Law the doctor,
and get some advice from him and test out living
on this island. If he can on this island, they
might just try to stay there because they think that
the child, from whatever asthma issues he has, is not
going to make it. And initially Jude Law is not

(19:12):
very happy. He envisioned this as that's the British chick.
I couldn't think of her name. But he envisions this
as just him and his wife or girlfriend, right, He
doesn't want other people. This is not a bad movie.
This is This is a pretty good movie. And again

(19:34):
it's based on this real group of Germans who thought
that they could go set up an atheist sort of
you know, tiny island community on the Galapagos Islands. And
this is going to tie in with Darwinism too, because
this is around the time, right, maybe a little bit
before this, that Darwin had gone and studied the various

(19:56):
species that live on this island. The Sydney Sweeney baby
is gonna have superpowers. Yeah. So after the doctor in
Sidney Sweeney asking me the I forget what he is
that Sidney Sweeney, the other guy arrived her husband suddenly.
Then this purported baroness arrives and her steamboat pulls up

(20:23):
drops her off. And this is played by Anna d Armis,
who the rumors are by the way that she is
dating Tom Coomb and Tom Coomb wants to marry her
in space. So, I mean, shit is just getting insane, dude, right,

(20:47):
So here comes her. Now we've got three couples on
the island, but it turns out it's not a couple.
She's in a throttle and perhaps even more than a
because she just seems to actually add on and collect
young dudes. So like, at first you see her in

(21:09):
a dalliance with three dudes, and then later on you
see like there's like five young dudes. It's like, where
are her young dudes coming from? Because you don't actually
see all these young dudes. Maybe you'd see him here
at the beginning when the steamboat drops her off. But
she has all these belongings and she claims that she
is nobility, She's the baroness. And this made me think

(21:34):
of the baroness. Dude. It's just like, are we going
full g I Joe? Because she kind of looks like
the baroness a little bit in some of the sequences. Right,
She's got that, she's got that baroness vibe going with
that crop tear, you know what I'm saying. She got

(21:54):
that barrenness vibe going. I mean, is that not baroness? Tay?
You look she that baron is bro damn. So notice

(22:14):
right away we have some interesting class distinctions that appear.
You've got the upper middle class successful professor Jude Law,
professor of science man whatever he is, biologist. Then you've
got the middle class Sidney Sweeney and her husband coming

(22:36):
to save their child. And you've got the degenerate baroness
who shows up with her open thrufle quadruple relationship that
she's in, and quite quickly things begin to unravel. And

(22:57):
the point of this movie is that even if you
try to set up utopian societies and civilizations, even in
the middle of nowhere, you will have the same problems
as civilization because it just becomes a microcosm of civilization
in general. You get people stealing, you get people lying,
you get warfare. And the baroness shows up with quite

(23:23):
a bit of psyops in her repertoire. She's very manipulative
and she's very successful initially at manipulating everyone on the island.
And she's got these documents to supposedly prove that she
owns the island now the king of somewhere Austria, England,
I don't remember who has granted her the title deed

(23:46):
to the Galapagos Islands, and they all kind of believe her,
but Sidney Sweeney, interestingly, is the only person that kind
of doubts her, doesn't really think that she's a real baronet.
And as things get worse and worse on the island,
as they realize that civilization is re emerging. Like I said,

(24:08):
it's very Rousseau, it's very Darwinian, and we'll see how
that is in the moment. Eventually a group of filmmakers
arrive and it's a powerful, wealthy Hollywood producer that shows
up and he seems to know about Jude Law and
Jude Law's plan to create this community on the island.

(24:32):
Hence it's called Eden. The idea is we're not going
to create the actual garden of Eden. We're going to
create a humanistic, secular Eden. And just like Eden, when
you have the fall Jude Law's atheistic, secular, Darwin based

(24:54):
Eden will also fall to a woman, namely the baroness. Now,
when we have the arrival of the American Hollywood man,
he shows up, and he is the first to recognize,
even perhaps the Ford Sidney Swieney, that Anna the Armis
is not actually a baron she's not actually nobility. She's

(25:16):
faking it. And the reason he knows is that as
a Hollywood actor or excuse me, Hollywood a producer and director,
he knows actors, and so he immediately recognizes that she's
not authentically a baroness. She's an actress and she's a
con woman. Now why is this in there, Well, it's
not only a good villain character. It's also a statement

(25:36):
perhaps on societies prior to modernity, Prior to Rousseau, prior
to French Revolution, prior to Darwin, society was seen as
a hierarchical structure. So you have kings, you have priests,
you have nobility, aristocracy, upper class, et cetera, and then

(25:59):
you have, you know, sort of the working class, and
then you have the peasants in the poverty class, et cetera,
the pores, so to speak. And I take this to
be a critique perhaps of nobility.

Speaker 9 (26:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
In other words, the idea is that, yeah, she's a
fake baroness, but all aristocracy is fake, is the idea. Right,
They're all illegitimate because they're all acting. And we're at
this crucial pivot when nobility is no longer the celebrity.

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Now actors in Hollywood are the new nobility. And that's
why the Hollywood producer immediately recognizes her. Cohn calls her out,
and the baroness and her flock of By the way,
her dudes don't even seem straight. That's the weird perspective.
It's like the gayest dudes that are her thrupple. So

(26:59):
perhaps we're supposed to think that maybe they're all by it.
It's really weird. But she represents sort of, you know, degenerously, lust, manipulation,
a lot of the vices, right, So she steps into
Eden with her demons and her vices. She begins to

(27:19):
corrupt Eden, and Jude Law eventually catches on long story short,
I'm not gonna There's not a whole lot more going
on other than that. It ends up kind of being
a discussion about survival of the fittest. Who's really gonna survive,
who's actually gonna make it? And if you zoom out
and understand this allegory as an allegory of civilization, much

(27:42):
like Lord of the Flies, very very similar to Lord
of the Flies, civilization, if it's not ultimately about hierarchy
and authority and wealth and all these kinds of things,
then it is survival of the fittest. So who actually
would in an animalistic biological sense, be the fittest that

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would survive. You might think, oh, the baroness, because she's
so self willed, so determined, so manipulative, she's willing to
lie and do anything at any cost, and she'll hump
anyone or anything to get her will done. You might think, no,

(28:23):
it's actually Jude Law's atheistic blonde chick girlfriend and Jude Law.
Maybe they're the ultimate survival of fittest because they are
obsessed with survival the fittest. They're the ones that originally
set up the community, They're the ones that originally want

(28:44):
to be you know, going into the future apart from civilization.
So they're gonna tough it out in the harshest conditions
on these islands and make it just by living off
the land. So maybe it's those two that are the fittest. Now,
the Hollywood people don't really play a huge role other

(29:07):
than to just sort of show up represent the Neuvareche,
and they're actually they're referred to as that, right, and
then they kind of leave and disappear, but they he
functions to demonstrate who the baroness really is, right, a
con woman. So who's going to make it the con woman?

(29:31):
The Christian family, And I'm saying Christian because we kind
of get the idea that Sidney Sweeney and her husband
are some form of Christian, some form of Protestant. It
might be hinted at or mentioned briefly. And immediately Sidney
Sweeney is pregnant. So she finds out that when they

(29:53):
got there, not too long after their rival or whatever,
she's going to have a baby, and so not too
long into the film, she gives birth. And it's a
really exciting scene because there's the packs of sort of
wild dogs that roam the island, and her husband is
off hunting when she's about to give birth, and the
other lover boys of the Baroness, they know that she's

(30:16):
getting attacked, they don't help her, so they're kind of
leaving her to the wolves, but she ends up fending
off a pack of wild dogs to give birth to
her son. So at all costs, she's willing to protect
her offspring. And so there is this, as I said,
pro natalist perspective that Sidney Sweeney and her husband have

(30:40):
that perhaps makes them ultimately the fittest. So as the
Baroness eventually fails in her plots and she spoiler alert,
she ends up getting assassinated by Jude Law, Sidney Sweeney
realizes that Jude Law and her wife or his girlfriend

(31:03):
will do anything at any cost to get rid of
anyone else, and that includes framing her Christian husband for
the murder of the baroness, and so they have this
sort of showdown, and Sidney Sweeney realizes that she's going
to have to be even more cunning than Jude Law

(31:24):
and his wife, and so she steps in and sort
of causes a rift between them and even hints at
the means by which Jude Law's girlfriend might get rid
of Jude Law. Why does she do that? She does
this ultimately for her children. She's the only character in

(31:47):
the film, I mean her and her husband who care
about and want to see the furtherance of their offspring.
We get the impression that Jude Law, being the committed
sort of atheist, nihilist, animalistic person, doesn't care anything about
not only his wife or any future offspring. He only

(32:08):
cares about himself. So his attitude is that I alone
will survive by only caring about myself first and foremost,
and this comes up often in the film. Eventually, though,
it turns out that the only people that survive and
make it are those who had the concern for their offspring,
for their future generations. So Survival of the Fittest is

(32:31):
not the revelation that Judlaw thinks he has in the film.
Towards the end and the third act, he comes to
the conclusion that man is just pure animalistic nature. That's it.
He says, we eat, we fuck, we die, that's it.
That's all we do. But it's all couched in only

(32:55):
referring to himself, and so his nihilistic determinism and materialism
doesn't even have a conception of furthering his offspring or
his lineage, which is weird because well, if you're going
to be Survival of the Fittest, wouldn't you want your
species to survive? And in a weird turn of events,
it ends up being the Christian mom who gives everything

(33:21):
for her children, that's the only one that ends up surviving.
And so the island ends up being the inheritance essentially
of Sydney Sweeney, her husband, and her children. So, in
a weird twist, the survival of the Fittest was actually

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the Christians because they had a progeny and a future
generation that they looked towards, and the anti natalist, nihilistic,
atheistic jew law and and ad armis they failed. They
didn't make it. So in a weird way, this was

(34:06):
actually kind of covertly sort of Christian kind of I
thought it was good. There's a couple kind of weird
gross parts, but four movies, H yeah, I think I

(34:26):
think this is an interesting turn of events and if
you do like this kind of movie. I did this
podcast some years back. Lord of the Flies lost Mosquito,
Coach Coast, the Beach and Treasure Island, So this was
a fun podcast, and Eden is definitely one of these

(34:48):
island themed films that I think if you if you
like this this kind of stuff, you would like this one.
All right, moving on to the next in tonight's round
of decent films of late which this is kind of
unheard of because movies have been so just awful for years.

(35:09):
So it's it's interesting to see some entries into recent
filmmaking that are not terrible, they're actually watchable. I'm not
saying these are the best movies. I'm just saying ever,
I'm just saying it's just interesting to actually see four
movies in a row that we're okay and we're entertaining.

(35:30):
I'm not saying that Boggonnia has a good message. In fact,
I kind of think even though it's funny, even though
it's a dark satire, I kind of feel like this
is ultimately a Luciferian breakaway civilization dark satire on civilization

(35:55):
as well. Why do I say that, Well, Yrgos Lantemos
has directed some very odd films. You could say he's
a little more of a avant garde type of filmmaker.
And I did see The Little Lobster. It was a

(36:15):
decent dystopian film. I wouldn't say it was great, but
it was okay. However, I did not like Poor Things,
and Poor Things is not at all what I thought
I was getting. I thought I was getting something akin

(36:36):
to Terry Gilliam. And you can tell the film is
very influenced by Terry Gilliam style filmmaking. You know, very
brazil you know Twelve Monkeys, a lot of fun, goofy
camera work, angles, silly stuff. But as you know, when
we went through, I think we did a brief overview

(36:58):
of Poor Things. Long story short, This is a Krollian
story of the descent into evil and chaos out of innocence,
learning all of the dark things of the left hand
Path in order to achieve apotheosis, and by the end

(37:20):
of the film, she goes from being a sort of
an innocent child of her father to being a post prostitute,
enlightened super feminist and the mad scientist that creates her.
She's a sort of a female Pinocchio ends up being

(37:44):
the archetype of God, the Father, the bumbling gnostic creator,
God who should be opposed at all costs, and the
only way that that happens is by her going out
on her own and descending into all the levels of
you could say, Dante's Inferno, and the film kind of

(38:06):
makes that clear that she's kind of going through this
dark initiatory process to experience all of the dark side
of things as life's drive me crazy. This light so
it gives me a headache, So I might just turn
this light off here and we'll do it like this

(38:28):
because I'm starting to get a headache. And if I'm
a little slow on the draw, it's because, as you
guys know, we've been streaming for a bit today. The
other way, if you're enjoying the stream and you like film,

(38:49):
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many films are really just packed with and repackaging gnostic
themes and gnostic structures. Part of the reason for that,
by the way, yeah, it's kindabasis. Absolutely. Part of the

(39:10):
reason for that, for those who don't know, is that
many screenwriters rely on sort of watered down patterns of
union structures. Right, so you know, there's kind of classic
books on screenwriting like Low Hunter's Book and other texts
that people look to. Joseph Campbell, you know, that kind

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of stuff with Hero of the Thousand Faces all that,
that's all kind of watered down Carl Young stuff. Hey, Jamie,
you may be an espresso. I'm gonna headache, you are correct,
and an expresso, Jamie?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Can you make me an express?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
And that, unfortunately was the Krohleian ethos that we but
I mean, I'm being serious, like I actually think there
was like a explicit Krollian elements in Poor Things, and
it's not at all what I expected the movie to be.
So it's really thrown for a loop. A lot of sex,
magic and occult stuff in Poor Things. So I'm not

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recommending people watch that unless you are prepared and can
you know, shield your eyes from certain things, particularly you know,
I think you know Emma Stone is an attractive actress,
But giant, fat, hairy dudes getting it on with m A. Stone,
I don't think anybody is interested in that. That is

(40:40):
just rough, dude. I'm talking about big old, fat hairy
dudes in multiple scenes like what. But the reason for
that in the narrative other than it, you know, just
being degenerate was precisely because she is experiencing a kind
of a pistos Sophia, not stick alienation of the goddess,

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so that she can be free from the arcontic creator
deity and become her own empowered slay queen, dark gnostic
goddess character. And it's interesting that your goos is a
Greek director because presumably he, being from Athens, would have

(41:27):
grown up with Orthodoxy. But I'm assuming that perhaps he
left Orthodoxy for Alisher Crowley. I'm not sure what, but
I don't know his background. I'm just guessing. I mean,
he could be from an atheist, he could be from
a communist family. Who knows there have been prominent Greek communists.

(41:54):
So let's see what it says. If it says anything
about his early life, says born in nineteen seventy three
and Athens comes from a working class family. But his
dad was a basketball player in Greece. That's that's really weird.

(42:14):
This is God in that one. That's old. Thank you,
there's old coffee sitting around. He was raised by his mom,
so that might be part of the reason why he
went to the Hellenic College of Cinema, so probably got
into some kind of communism because most leftists, as we

(42:39):
all know, and I'm just assuming he's a leftist, it's
got to be. It's like they're all just kind of
default retard communists. Doesn't. Ever, it doesn't. It rarely goes
more any more sophisticated than that, though it does seem
like perhaps he's into Kroley and stuff. So moving on then,

(43:03):
from Poor Things, Bigonia is actually a decent movie, and
it's pretty funny. It's got to really. I mean, we
don't see a lot of movies anymore with really good scripts,
really good screenwriting, and scripts that are funny. But this
movie actually made me laugh out loud multiple times. Again.

(43:24):
Even though I'm not saying that the message of this
movie is good. It has another one of these you know,
hyper elitist sort of breakaway civilization. You're all dumb, you're
all retarded, you're all going to die, and the breakaway
civilization is justifying in that precisely because you're all stupid.

(43:46):
What I did not expect, even though we did sort
of toy with this theory Jamie, as we were watching it,
we're sort of like, Okay, you've got this conspiracy theory.
You've got this alien narrative. I said, I wonder it's
gonna be funny if the conspiracy theorists are actually correct.
So the thing that makes me like this film is
precisely that the conspiracy theorists are correct. So we have

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this elite CEO. I forget her name in the film,
but she is one of the you know fortune one
hundred CEOs. She is a super slay queen, mega mega feminist, right,
and she's all over you know, Ted Talks, She's all
over Wired magazine, everywhere Time magazine. She's the CEO Slay

(44:36):
Queen of the Year. And near her house there are
these two brothers who are going to see me, a
guy and his cousins. They're not brothers, but there's a
they're not exactly rednecks. I'm not sure what I would
call it. They're just sort of like dirty country boys,

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but not rednecks, right. And the guy with the hat
is sort of the protagonist's character, or perhaps the antagonist
character more so the protagonist. But he's come up with
this internet conspiracy theory which he's gone way deep down,
a deep dive on the Internet for many, many years,

(45:18):
and he's become convinced that Emma Stone is an alien
and she is the Queen Bee in a giant alien
beehived kind of situation, and that they are presently on
Earth among us X file style to get reconnaissance and
to experiment and ultimately perhaps to wipe us out. And

(45:44):
probably the best character in the whole movie is the
retarded cousin. I mean, this guy is absolutely hilarious and
if he's acting, he deserves an Academy Award for playing
the best retard ever, because I've never seen any when
in a film play a better tard than the cousin,
the chunky dude with the the afro. There. So, the

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the main guy decides that he'll recruit his cousin because
his retarded cousin is the only guy that he can
trust to actually follow him into the depths of the
schizo rabbit hole that is his alien conspiracy theory, and
to help him kidnap Emma Stone to get her to

(46:31):
spill all the details of the alien invasion plan and
to force her to leave the planet. And the best
thing about this movie is not just the comedy and
the you know, the the writing, but you actually believe
all the way spoiler alert until the end that it's

(46:55):
it's he's got to be crazy, right. It was a
genius way to construct the narrative such that at every turn,
every single thing that's happening is only stacking up to
make him look like he's just totally skitzo. Right, there's
no way that this can actually be real. And then

(47:16):
it's not until the very very last i'd say ten
minutes that you actually start cracking and thinking, Okay, wait
a minute, maybe his insane Schitzo theory is actually true.
That was all I mean. It was just done so perfectly,
and it's It's one of the funniest movies I've seen
in a while. However, However, aside from all that, even

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though the conspiracy theories are correct, there's a downside, on
a dark side to this. By the way, did you
catch the flat earth references? Yes, you heard me correctly.
The film even and I don't think the film is
for all you Skitzo's either. The film is not saying
that flat earth is true, right, It's kind of at

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every interval of the chapter of the film, they will
show these these sequences of a model of a flat earth,
and it's telling you an accountdown to uh you know,
five days until the lunary clips, four days until the
lunary clips, three days until the lunar clips, And every
one of these chapters shows you a model of a
flat Earth. And that's just to really kind of class

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the protagonist in with all of the craziest online conspiracy theories, right,
QAnon stuff, flat earth stuff, and then of course alien
stuff and us it must unplays this character perfectly. I mean,
she plays an absolutely perfect, manipulative super slay queen feminist

(48:51):
ceo perfectly. I mean, you've got they're so conspiratory. These
skitz Thos are literally putting ten will on the windows, right,
it's full on, David, I like, you know, Chitta. However,

(49:16):
as the narrative begins to collapse that they're conspiracy, there
is and as we begin to think that maybe he's
actually correct, we start to find out that there's this
there's symbolism in the film that we didn't notice in
the first couple acts. We start to realize that she
doesn't just represent aliens, she actually represents the elite class.

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And as I've said for many years and in my books,
in films, aliens often represent from the elite perspective, the
elite class. Right, they represent those that believe that they
have evolved beyond the rest of us. And as a
sort of sligh queen CEO, she's also a verse. She's
most like a kind of a CIA handler type person.

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And these are the types of people that are recruited
into the establishment and into this Malthusiam perspective that literally
believe that everyone else is less evolved. So when you
watch the movie from that perspective, you begin to realize, Okay, yes,
she represents the elite class. In reality, that's what your
ghost Lanthemos is saying. And I'm sure he believes that
he's amongst that class. Right, they're saying, this is how

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we view the rest of humanity. You're a bunch of dummies.
You're unevolved, and you can't even decode all the stuff
that's kind of out there, right, so we are justified
in depopulating you precisely because you fail the IQ test.

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The IQ test ironically is solved by the conspiracy theorist.
The conspiracyist actually figures out what's really going on, how
the world really works. He's the only one and his
retarded brother that figured it out. And because there's such
sloppy goofballs, no one will listen to them. In fact,

(51:06):
she even stumbles into his conspiracy layer with all of
his you know, paper clippings and his twine connecting everything
together on a court board and his GeoCities conspiracy blog website.
Is he's got it all right, class all the classic
conspiracy of But nobody is going to listen to this
goofer goufas right, And I can I can understand. There's

(51:30):
an element of me that has this schizo guphus into
me in me and I've been called Schitzo Guphus for
the last twenty years, so I get it. I vibe
with this dude. Although this dude and his retarded brother
need a cousin, need to take a shower. They're just
they're filthy the whole movie, which actually adds to the
comedic value, right, But the meaning of the film is

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that it is that Earth is populated by retards. They
aren't even as competent as the animal life, which can
structure itself like bees do into a hive in order

(52:15):
to survive. But humans damage the earth, damage other humans,
and constantly are the worst enemy. So in that sense,
there is this sort of Club of Rome, First Global Revolution,
Malthusian message that the elites have, which is obviously what
the film's about. But the turn at the end, of

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course is by the way, there's also the whole you know,
humans are killing the bees, the bees are being depopulated
or whatever. When the bees die, all the humans will die.
That's sort of the underlying conspiracy subtext here. But as
we said, it turns out the conspiracy theorists, we're all correct.

(53:05):
And even though this is using a lot of comedic elements,
comedic value for the extremes, right, the absurdity of what
most conspiracy theorists present themselves as, they are actually correct.
And even though it seems cartoonish at times with the
alien element or flat earth stuff or whatever, the root

(53:28):
essential conspiracy that is correct is the Malthusian attitude of
the elite for the masses, and that they see themselves
as a different species. I mean, we've talked about this

(53:48):
in Francis excuse me, Charles Galton Darwin's book The Next
Million Years. That book is an excellent example of what
the overwriting philosophy of Begunia is. So, of course, as
you can imagine, at the end she really is the
empress of the alien She is the queen Bee of

(54:09):
the aliens, and she is here to gather information and
reconnaissance and to plan the depopulation of the species, because yes,
the aliens seated us here panspermia. We are an aberration,
an abortion that needs to be gotten rid of and
spoiler alert you can pause here if don't want to

(54:31):
hear it. When she returns to her alien ship, she
depopulates Earth and all that is left are the dogs,
the cats, and the bees. So the irony, of course
being that humans are going to depopulate the bees and
the aliens in a twist, give the bees continued existence

(54:53):
and not the humans. All of the humans die. And
it's weird to because it seems like it gets rid
of the oxygen, so like the ozone layer is punctured
or something. But it really can't be that because the
bees and the dogs and the cats continue to live on,
so it's not oxygen. So presumably then it's some form

(55:16):
of an airborne toxin or something that genetically targets only
the human species, which is interesting from a elitis perspective. Also,
one thing that's a little unclear in the film is

(55:36):
the idea that Okay was the protagonist guy and his
retarded cousin. Were they actually going to be taken on
the ship because she basically says, if you take me
back to my office, I will take you with me
and I won't destroy you with the rest of earth.

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He is strapped himself with a bomb right when he
goes back to the office with her, So this is
his means of insurance, he says. He says, I'm gonna
wear a bomb because you know you're too crafty. I
don't know what you're up to. And so it's kind
of unclear as to whether he accidentally blows himself up

(56:20):
or whether she causes him to debt. I think it's
an accident. I think she's actually going to take him,
because when the bomb goes off, right, there's this really
comedic scene where his head flies off and it hits
her in the face and knocks her out. I don't
think she planned that. I think she was thinking, you know,

(56:41):
in the moment, and thinking, Okay, I may have to
just take this this weirdo with me. So does that
suggest that, you know, people that figure out the conspiracy,
perhaps they might be the ones that are offered a
kind of continued existence. Right, you have this idea I

(57:01):
think in Brave New World where if you figure out
what they're really up to, you're given the option of
or maybe it's it's in the sequel, I think, where
you're given the option of going to the island. Right,
you can go live on an island where because you
solve the conspiracy, the technocrats are going to let you live.
We're not going to kill you, but you can't live

(57:22):
in the technocracy. No, this is it. It is bunkers.
But it was really good. Also, the hair stuff. I
didn't even go into the hair stuff, but it's pretty
funny because it's kind of like they bring back the
biblical notion of the importance of hair because they shave
her hair off because it's actually the source of her

(57:43):
power and how she communicates with her alien vessel. So
that's why they shaved her head. But also shaving the
head is symbolic in the biblical sense of you know,
removing ones. It's a symbol of removing one's power or
the headship of who you were previously under. Right, So

(58:06):
in the scriptures, when Israelites were to take if they
took women captive in battle. One of the things they
were to do is to shave their hair. And part
of the reason for that is that it makes some
people have argued it makes them less attractive, so they're
less likely to be graped. But also it's a symbol

(58:28):
of headship, as you know. In Paul's epistles, he says
the Orthodox Church we wear our women wear veils as
a symbol of headship and authority, just like their hair
is given as a covering that symbolizes headship. So when
they take Emostone captive, they shave her because she's now captive,
she's now under a new kind of headship and authority,

(58:51):
which what he callses something stupid, like you know, the
human resistance, which is like just him and his retarded cousin. Guys,
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(59:12):
decided collectively, which you have total justification to do so
that movies are faking gay, all right, Moving on to
our next in the series, Black Phone and I thought
Black Phone one and two were pretty good. They in

(59:37):
many ways are kind of derivative from a lot of
other horror sci fi films, which is okay, but they
were still enjoyable. So I had fun watching both of
these one and two. I don't know if I would
say which one is. Probably one's a little bit better.
But the thing that really tripped me out was that

(59:59):
the entire time I thought for sure this dude was
Ethan Hawk's son. I thought this he's first of all,
because Ethan Hawks the killer in Black Phone. So I'm like, oh,
he put his son in the movie, right, And the
dude looks just like young Ethan Hawk to me, right,

(01:00:20):
I was like, he's got to be Well, turns out
he's not unless he's Ethan Hawk's illegitimate son or something. Right, Like,
this dude has no relationship to Ethan Hawk, even though
he literally looks just like young Ethan Hawk. So I
was confused. Okay, So here's youngish Ethan Hawk and here's

(01:00:49):
Mason Tames. I was like, that's got to be his son.
Well it's not, because Ethan Hawk's son ironically actually looks
more like Uma Thurman than him. I mean, both of

(01:01:13):
his kids look like they don't look like Ethan Hawk
at all. So anyway, the thing that I thought was
interesting about Black Phone two was the the christian elements
I didn't I did not expect this to be a
film about Christianity in a in an odd way, and

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you think, oh, what does this have to do with Christianity? Well,
this is the sequel if you know, you know, the
first one was a serial killer, the grabber, not the graveler.
The grabber, not.

Speaker 11 (01:01:49):
The grab not the grabbler, the grabber, Okay, And what
he does is h he's a magician, and he turns
out he and his brother right work together to snatch
kids the grabber.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
And if you recall, they eventually kidnap who I thought
was Ethan Hawk's son with this Mason dude, and he
ends up out smarting the serial killer through a supernatural phone.
This is the element that I didn't think was that good.
I think if that had kept it a little less supernatural,

(01:02:31):
it might have been a better film. Some of the
first one where he talks to the dead and the
children that the serial killer has gotten help him to
solve the murder and get away right, and he ends
up killing the grabber. The grabber with the phone. Okay,
that's Black Film Part one. I don't recall there being

(01:02:55):
many Christian elements to this, but I did like the
fact that part two went full Dante's Inferno. Yes, you
heard me right, they went full Dante's Inferno. We know
that we're going to hell because the film immediately starts
off with a lot of these Christian themes. There's a

(01:03:16):
Christian camp where we find out the grabber originally did
his first murders. These murders occurred some decades earlier than
the early nineteen eighties, and the children appear to have
been dumped into some icy lake in the middle of

(01:03:37):
Colorado winter. So Mason and his sister, Mason tim Thames
and his sister begin to have spiritual experiences that they
think our result of kind of the trauma that he
went through in Black Phone won right, Like, he and
his sister both have a upbringing because their mom, they believe,

(01:04:01):
committed suicide, and so they're sort of traumatized, and they
start reading about esoteric things and Carl Young and dream
interpretation because his sister starts having these sort of clairvoyant,
demonic spiritual attack dreams, and they start thinking that something
else is going on. They're being spoken to by the

(01:04:21):
spirit world, but they can't figure out what's going on
or why, and eventually they were led through various clues
back to this bizarre evangelical Christian camp that their mom
worked up. They later find out that the Grabber, when

(01:04:42):
he was an active, fresh faced serial killer in the
nineteen seventies or excise me sixties, that he killed the
kids of the camp, buried them in the water, and
staged the suicide of their mom. The suicide had led

(01:05:03):
the dad to become an alcoholic, and so the irony
is that the dad, who caused a lot of the trauma,
was actually not at fault for the suicide of the mom.
It was in fact the Grabber the whole time, And
so Mason and his sister have to work together to

(01:05:24):
uncover and figure out what's really going on. And the
Grabber has now become an agent of Satan. He's now
a demonic force who works from the other side to
do demonic types of things, possess people, attack, etc. And
he's actually trying to bring Mason and his sister to

(01:05:50):
the camp to also be murdered. The Alpine Lake Christian
youth camp. The sequences of the demonic possession and all
that are kind of corny. It's a little over the top.
But what I liked about the film was the fact
that the evangelical ethos is exposed in the film to

(01:06:14):
be completely ridiculous and retarded. The self righteous, know it all,
charismatic Karen and her husband ineffectual husband. They really have
no idea what's going on, and when confronted with real
spiritual metaphysical evil, they have no idea what to do,
and they're clueless. Because Mason and his sister had actually

(01:06:37):
been through real traumatic stuff, they actually begin to decode
and figure out that, Okay, we're going to have to
actually work together. And because Mason's sister has the ability,
I guess to astrally project. I'm not advocating for astuel projections.
I'm just saying it's a device that's used in the film.
They realize they're going to have to sort of strain

(01:07:00):
things style work together as one of them fights in
the physical world and the other one fights in the
spiritual astral realm. So it gets pretty trippy and like
kind of out there when you have this final level

(01:07:23):
of hell confrontation between the Grabber and Mason and his
sister and their friends. And if you recall, Dante's Inferno
is actually at the very lowest level, it's all ice,
So Satan is actually frozen in ice, and this ends
up being the fate of the Grabber. In fact, they

(01:07:44):
actually reference Dante's Inferno indirectly in multiple places when they
have this confrontation on the ice. I enjoyed all those
literary elements which I think most people probably aren't aware
of or didn't pick up on. There is a kind
of a catabasis where he's confronted and destroyed, kind of
at the bottom of the frozen lake. One of the

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things that also stuck out was the horrifying statement when
the Grabber is explaining what happens when you go to Hell,
and he says, when you go to how what the
demons do is they take away whatever was left of you,
and they replace it with only the worst parts of

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what you ever did. So you are gone, and all
that's left of you is all of the evil that
you did, and so you are purely and only a
vessel of evil. And I thought that was a very
accurate description of full on sort of demonic possession, and

(01:08:58):
I guess you could say an analogy for the way
in which those who damn themselves sort of put themselves
in a situation where they will the good elements of
themselves to essentially be gotten rid of, if that makes sense.
So I appreciated the spiritual elements of this film. Even

(01:09:21):
though it was kind of goofy and kind of a
stranger things, it was still overall entertaining, I'll put it
that way. And right before they put an end to him,
she begins to quote lines about the resurrection, which is
also not what I expected. So again I would say

(01:09:43):
this film not explicitly Christian, but almost subtly kind of Christian,
if that makes sense. Is what do you guys think?
All right, We're gonna move on then to the final
film into Night's analysis. Tron ares this was trippy, dude.

(01:10:06):
I have to say. I think, as I said on Twitter,
it was simultaneously awesome and retarded. There were elements of
it that were really tantalizing in terms of cinematography, in
terms of the combination of the cinematography with the music,
and you know, I think obviously Trent Reznor is kind
of retard but he has made some cool songs and

(01:10:30):
kind of like Daft Punk did well with Tron Legacy.
I felt like this Tron was almost really good, but
the writing and the editing was at times retarded. I mean,
the writing was terrible overall, and so many scenes were
kind of chopped together that didn't really make any sense.

(01:10:53):
But this is pretty visually amazing. I mean that there
were some scenes in this that kind of blew me
away honestly, together with the music. I mean, it's something
I think that if you do like this kind of stuff,
it should be seen in the theater. It's not gonna
make sense or work, you know, at that home. So

(01:11:15):
I would recommend if you do like like it, go
check out Tron areas in the theater. Now a bit
of a refresher, Tron is very In many ways, this
was a very predictive film. I mean, Disney put this
out I think in nineteen eighty two. I put this

(01:11:36):
in I think ESA Hollywood two. Although the article was
written a long time ago, and this is kind of
wild because this is way before the Matrix. This is
way before let's see, when did William Gibson put his
book out? I think that was like eighty six, wasn't it.

(01:11:58):
Neuromancer came out in Night so Disney put out Tron
even two years before Neuromancer, and you could say, yeah,
there was probably even earlier pre signifiers of the Matrix
and the I'm not about the movie the Matrix, but

(01:12:19):
the idea of the virtual world and all that. I'm
sure that there's probably references in Asimov or Philip K. Dick,
but it would be interesting to see. And if you
guys we have a really high Q audience, I'm not
joking me seriously, I think a lot of people in
our audience. If you guys know of an earlier reference

(01:12:40):
to this notion of entering into the virtual world, prior
to you know, Philip K. Dick or Neuromancer or Tron,
let me know. I'd be interested to see. But again,
we're pretty early on in terms of pretty revolutionary ideas.

(01:13:06):
In other words, what we are seeing kind of roll
out now with AI and you know, virtual worlds. We're
talking about nineteen eighty two. That's crazy now. In nineteen
eighty two, the narrative is largely to do with games
and gamification, and I think they understood very early on

(01:13:29):
because video games kind of come out of the Pentagon.
If you don't know, the early development of video games
is literally the Pentagon, and eventually, you know, the Pentagon
wanting to develop first person shooters. This was designed to
see if they could desensitize soldiers to the idea of
you know, shooting and killing quicker through the game. For

(01:13:50):
those of you that don't know, Hero says Pkad was
pretty much a pioneer in terms of sci fi. So
it's hard to think of another author. I mean, I'm
guessing that he's the first to talk about that kind
of stuff, But it would be interesting to see if
there's anybody earlier who was the first sort of predictive

(01:14:12):
sci fi author to talk about entering into virtual worlds.
That would be interesting to know. Anyway, So I talked
about this in my analysis that I wrote. Probably I
think I wrote this eleven years ago, and I wrote this,
I think because Tron Legacy was about to come out

(01:14:33):
Disney was about to do a sequel to Tron. Whenever
that came out twenty ten eleven, I forget, but we
did a deep dive into a lot of the predictive elements.
You can go read the analysis here, and I talked
about what I just said, pentagon military training, game theory,
gamification of all society. So you have to understand that

(01:14:55):
a lot of the ideas of the metaverse or virtual
worlds comes out of gamification and game theory developed at
the Rand Corporation. And all these things are working together,
right John von Neumann in terms of advanced computer engineering
at the Jason Project. We've covered that in many of

(01:15:18):
our previous talks, especially when we did the analysis of
alex Obeya's Soldiers of Reason, which is the history of
the Rand Corporation. We did, as you guys know, I
think it's still linked here on the website if you
look over here on the right, Pentagon's Brain. So we
covered Annie Jacobson's Pentagon's Brain. I think I need to
fix some of these. Yeah, is this one still work?

(01:15:42):
Let's see if this works. Kind of works. But Annie
Jacobson's Pentagon's Brain is a great book. We read the
whole thing, five or six hundred pages. We did a
couple lectures on it five or six years ago. That
is a perfect text for what we're talking about here.

(01:16:03):
But to make a long story short, we already had
the Gnostic narrative with Tron right, Tron has the controller
Master Control, which is this imprisoning you know, our contact
entity that wants to keep you in the matrix. And Flynn,

(01:16:24):
I think I haven't watched Tron one in a long time,
but you know, Flynn sort of represents the virus in
the system and they figure out how to get out
of the matrix when he's in the matrix. So this
idea of defeating Master Control mastercom, which is this father figure,
our contact creator deity that has to be overcome, Flynn

(01:16:48):
ends up kind of being a Prometheus figure that rebels
against the creator imprisoning deity. And I'm not just saying that,
like Hollywood always ends up agnosticism just to repeat and
to say it, but it really is like constantly ends
up in Gnostic narratives. In fact, other directors like I
think Proys and then the guy that did but the

(01:17:12):
guy that did Dark City, and I think Proyus did
Hardware too. Proyis actually said Hollywood is a Gnostic enterprise,
meaning that they really just sort of retell the Gnostic
story over and over and over. The Creator God is
the evil God. He imprisons us in this world and

(01:17:34):
through self realization, through apotheosis, we will transcend the limits
of space and time and death and overcome are imprisoning
bumbling creator God moral autists for five dollars speaking about
Gnostics Burma instead of stream today discussing David Ike's new book.

(01:17:56):
He's having Ike on the show later. He should reach
out for an ambush debate. Well, I don't think Burmus
would be willing to set up an ambush debate, and
David Ike is not interested in a debate. So it
was I think last year was the first thing I
ever had to hit a million views, and it was

(01:18:16):
the fourth hour that I did on Lord Voldemort, where
I was talking about creation, you know, exemplifying the patterns
and the signs of a creator. And for whatever reason,
that struck a nerve with David Ike, I think because
I critiqued like gnostic stuff in it, and David Ike

(01:18:39):
happened for some reason see that episode. So David Ike
called me out and shared it. But it ended up
like boosting the fourth hour and getting me like, at
least between Alex and Ike, like a million views on
that fourth hour talking about you know, the Fibonacci seq

(01:19:00):
when it's in creation and the Golden ratio all that
kind of stuff, right, But anyway, what's up, BLA welcome.
It's good to see fellow narrative analyzers in the chat. So, yeah,

(01:19:22):
we're not going to rehearse all the gnostic stuff. Everybody
knows what that is. We've talked about a bunch. I
did also do Tron Legacy when that came out, and
I think, you know, we pretty much saw all the
same repackage gnostic stuff. There's not a whole lot to
talk about. But to move into Aries, this one was

(01:19:43):
interesting just because you know, not only is it visually
wild and stimulating, they bring in a new character to
be the sort of Prometheus, right, So Jared Leito comes
in as Aries, the new agent of Master Control. Master
Control ends up being this sort of Zuckerberg dorky creator, right,

(01:20:07):
played by the I forget that actor's name, but this
young guy who is now runs this corporation, this guy, right,
and you notice he's presented symbolically and a lot of
these sort of you know, he's got the light right
behind his head. He's like this this towering godlike figure,

(01:20:29):
but he's also an arrogant Zuckerberghee. You know coder dork,
very reminiscent also of the same type of character in
Alien Earth. Right when we talked about Alien Earth, we
have the same Zuckerbergian, you know, twenty year old just
insufferable technocrat who envisioned himself as the kid genius. He

(01:21:01):
basically his moniker like he's like, I am the kid genius, right,
this guy here who this guy is perfectly cast, by
the way, to play this sort of zuckerberghee technocrat character.
And in the Alien Earth series, which was excellent, he's
the world's first trillionaire, right, and his company is focused

(01:21:25):
on engineering the replicants. If you didn't see Alien Earth,
then spoiler alert, Yes, the Alien universe is the same
as the Blade Runner universe, and so that's where replicants
come from. And this series, by the way, makes that
very explicit. But you have the same sort of archetype

(01:21:46):
here with tron Ares, where you have a rival to income.
So basically there's two large tech companies that are vying
for control of robotics, AI, virtual world's gaming, et cetera.

(01:22:07):
And it's this guy's company, I forget what it's called,
something like Digivert. I forget what his company's name is
but it's InCom, which is Flynn's company versus this guy's company.
InCom has focused on gaming and making things fun, right,
so they've become the biggest sort of you know, Nintendo

(01:22:30):
type of company in the world, whereas their rival company
has become a weapons military industrial complex supplier company. Yes,
Blade Runner and Alien are the same universe. That has
been rumored for a long time, but it was actually
there's actually quite a few easter eggs in both Blade

(01:22:52):
Runner and the Alien series that kind of hinted at that,
and then of course it eventually turned out to be true.
We covered that in my Alien Earth podcast if you
want to go watch that. So we have the return
of Master Control. So, if you remember in the first installment,
Master Control was the arcontic imprisoning bumbling deity. Now Master

(01:23:19):
Control is essentially this arrogance teenager dude who has programmed aries.
Of course he has. That's the God of War played
by Jared Leedo, and Jared Edo's kind of pretty much
being the same character as he was in Blade Runner
twenty forty nine. So it's like Jared Leedo's playing Jared Leito.

(01:23:39):
Now I'm not saying Jared Ldo is a bad actor.
He is a good actor, but it's just it's funny
because he's being very robotic, I guess on purpose. But
he was very robotic in Blade Runner twenty forty nine two,
So he's a pretty good villain. I would say what
happens aries the god of war Satan Prometheus, the highest

(01:24:03):
created angelic being of the Creator, decides that he's expendable,
he's disposable, and he sees as he runs on his missions,
and I have to admit, like when they send him
on the missions to infiltrate and to destroy Income's servers

(01:24:29):
and we see that from the vantage point of being
in the computer, as we often do in tront I
have to say, all that stuff is pretty awesome. I
mean it's hard to say that these sequences, even if
I mean I don't like Disney at all, and the
screenplay for this movie was absolutely retarded as like I
was written by a ten year old. I mean, some
of the music and the sequences are pretty awesome. I

(01:24:51):
mean they're pretty mind blowing, particularly this sequence here when
they infiltrate the servers and you're seeing it from the
sort of virtual persons. This part was pretty awesome. He's
biblically strong. But there's a specific scene that I think
will stand out to everyone as its hard to deny

(01:25:16):
that it's awesome, and it's when they're in the grid
and they ride. I mean, they're probably positioning this to
be a video game or maybe some sort of I
don't know, Disney theme park ride or something. I don't know.
Maybe they have this right at Disney, I don't know.
But when she's riding on the back of his whatever

(01:25:38):
it is his Oh, it's like a it's like a
sea Do. The se Do scene is pretty awesome. Combined
with the music, I think it's a that will be
a memorable movie scene that people will probably look back on.
I mean, this is there right here when when they're
riding the se Do. This part is pretty awesome and
it's like a five minute sequence. Uh. I thought that

(01:26:01):
that part was pretty good anyway. Point being, in terms
of gnostic esoteric stuff, AI has been released, and the
whole twist of the narrative is that now that world
is able to enter our world. Well how could that be?
But it seems like it's some form of nanotech and

(01:26:21):
three D printing, So basically whatever is in the digital
realm that's coded in that dimension can enter into our
dimension through what appears to be three D nanotech. Then
that's combined with AI and so rather than us going
into the virtual world, you know when Flend's like and

(01:26:44):
then I got in. Now that world is coming into
our world. And so this is surrealist in a way,
because surrealism is all up blending the bridge or the
line between the dream state and the waking state. The
surrealists all sort of try to embody that in their work,

(01:27:05):
whether it's like a Cocteau or in these weird the
Art of man Ray, these kinds of people all the
way up into David Lynch, who is obviously totally a
surrealist filmmaker. The idea is that the dream state in
the waking state are blended. Well, here we have a
similar idea, except that the bridge is not between the
dream state and the waken state. The bridge is between

(01:27:25):
the virtual worlds and our world. And if you ever
read back in the day, it's like Tad Williams when
I was into fantasy stuff. Other Land also has a
very similar idea going on, with the notion that I

(01:27:48):
wouldn't I wouldn't say that there's there's not a multiverse,
but you could say there's different dimensions in the sense
that there is a dream world, there is the real world,
there's a spiritual world, there is the third heavens, and

(01:28:09):
there might be other worlds. It's hard to say exactly
how dimensions actually work. I do not believe in the multiverse,
but I do believe in multiple dimensions. Also, I think
individual persons believe it or not. I think they're actually
their own little world. That's a really sort of out
there speculative odd thing. I don't know exactly how to

(01:28:32):
make it. You kind of get this idea in terms
of like Stephen King's a Dark Tower series, because the
Tower allows you to kind of move between quote worlds,
but the worlds are actually just people's psyche or their
own I mean, think about a person like a little
snow globe, its own little, small, contained world. And if

(01:28:57):
you are a demon and you get this in Dark
Tower Part two it's been a while, but I'm going
from memory. Part two actually focuses on like this demon
like that can enter into people's souls through the tower, right,
so you sort of like transverse the what the multiverse

(01:29:19):
really is is all the different souls, and so if
a demon going from one world to another would be
like him going into one person's soul or to another
person's soul. And I think like the fiction and the
sci fi stuff has kind of here and there hinted
at that idea. That's kind of what's going on with
the Dark Tower series. But in Tad Williams's Other Land,

(01:29:40):
it's more like there's this future that ties in not
just virtual worlds, of which there are many that you
can sort of step into, there's also the shamanic realm.
So it actually kind of likens virtual worlds to the realms,
the worlds that the shamans enter into. And that's kind

(01:30:03):
of what was going on here, because the different programs
and the different servers are like cities and like worlds.
You even have this description by Flynn, you know, Jeff
Bridges in I think Tron Legacy right where he talks

(01:30:24):
about I tried to envision you know, circuits and keyboards
like cities and streets, which makes sense, right, And then
that's whole whole ethos, The whole idea behind Tron is
the circuits and the motherboard and all that they're like
little cities. Now the stupid part about this, I don't

(01:30:48):
know why they do this. This is so stupid in
this movie is that And they did this in the
other Tron's right. So I think Tron one is a
good film, very pioneering, amazing, way ahead of his time.
Stuffed Tron Legacy was decent, pretty good, Uh, you know,
decades later follow up the Tron after Tron Legacy is awful,

(01:31:10):
totally retarded. Uh, And I think Tron Areas is a
both awesome and retarded at the same time. But what
I hate is this stupid idea to keep bringing back
this weird, bumbling, fucked up mouth Jeff Bridges. Like, with

(01:31:34):
whatever's going on with Jeff Bridges and Maul, you can't talk,
but supposedly we're gonna we're using AI recreated characters anyway,
just recreate an actual if you're gonna do AI crap, recreate,
recreate an actual, accurate Jeff Bridges and not some sort
of weird like why would the Advanced Jeff Bridges program

(01:31:59):
be like seventy five years old and his mouth on
messed up and he can't talk. It's just dumb, Like,
So this kind of stuff is stupid and retarded. But
it is actually pretty awesome that Aries goes into Flynn's
first computer, right his Commodor sixty four or whatever he has,

(01:32:22):
And that part was actually awesome because it's like, now
we've actually gone back to, you know, the original tron.
But why does he have to talk to retarded boomer
the dude from Lebowski And I'm not kidding, it's like,
why is Jeff Bridge playing the dude? So yell man, like,
you know, you want to fight me reality. It's like, yo,

(01:32:44):
you look at yourself whatever, dude, it's just totally stupid.
Literal Boomer Garcia here ends up being the self reflection
of Aries. So this is where he got super gnostic,
because it turns out that Aris' character art is that

(01:33:07):
he has to discover that master control, the archontic mumbling
creator god that program him is a false god and
as is his own god. How by entering into this
older inner domain of Flynn, the original programmer, who when

(01:33:32):
he gets there, Flynn says, I'm just the reflection of you.
I am you. In other words, self realization in a
kind of a gnostic sense, only happens when one discards
the idea of a father, creator, God and looks to

(01:33:54):
himself as a self savior. And at this point as
becomes fully self realized. So remember, prior to this, aries
was like a toy. He's a programmed bot. He is
not conscious, not sentient, not self willed. He's like Pinocchio.

(01:34:15):
He's even referred to as the boy who wants to
be real. When he meets his self a Flynn, the reflection,
he comes to self realization and becomes his own god.
He changes from red to white. So there's weird sort

(01:34:39):
of alchemical color magic and color transformation here when we
move from Robato to Albato, so from red to white
in the film, that's supposed to signify that he's turning
from the sort of programmed killer to a higher level transcendent.

(01:35:00):
He's the dude from Lebowski. Man, it's like, you know
your opinion, Man, that's so dumb. This could have been
really good in this part. This was the stupidest part
of the whole movie.

Speaker 8 (01:35:11):
Was the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Self apotheo sized, fictional neoplatonic Flynn episode dumb. However, the
rest of the film visually pretty awesome, pretty entertaining. It
was neat to see the AI entering our world, but ultimately,

(01:35:37):
of course, it ended up being gnostic and then again
to return to absolutely stupid. The newly enlightened Arees becomes
a wandering sort of intentional community bro and decides that
he's going to have to traverse Europe to find himself.

(01:35:58):
So he literally goes full eat, pray love turns into
something that Tristan and I make fun of, and he's
trampsing across Europe on a Vesper motorcycle or whatever. Like
what Now, they did set it up to be that
there's going to be a sequel, right, because if you
remember in I Think Tron Legacy, you had the Olivia

(01:36:22):
Wild character and they make a reference at the end
of the film that oh, yeah, she's got to come back.
And why well because Ari says, I've got to meet
other beings like myself that were programs that came alive. Right,
So that combined with the fact that the Zuckerberg sort
of nerdy guy gets zapped into the computer world to

(01:36:47):
save himself. He's about to be arrested and he goes
into the matrix. So they're setting us up for a sequel.
Bobby c says, for five dollars. Nah, dude, we would
super chat, but we broke Nah, so we broke Jack
Wonders ten dollars. I used to love movies. I haven't
had time to keep up with them. I have a kid.

(01:37:10):
Plus my wife is the worst watch companion. That's interesting
at a lot of women don't like movies. Thankfully, Jay
Jay Jamie likes movies, and we've had tons of fun
over the years doing movie podcasts and we will lord
willing continue to do those. But yeah, I'm very thankful

(01:37:32):
that she loves movies like I do. And by the way,
you remember, guys, you can get esater Hollywood three in
the Shop of Days analysis. If you enjoyed this type
of breakdown, you will absolutely enjoy esoteric Hollywood one, two
and three. Miss top down five dollars, mister top down photos.

(01:37:57):
Have you done a breakdown of Dante's Inferno? You know what?
I haven't? I should because we reference it so often.
We talk about kind of bassis so often we talk
about uh, you know, because, as Dangerfield has pointed out
Bla's podcasts, you know, Shakespeare references, uh, Dante references, even

(01:38:21):
Chaucer references, like they're all over films. Right, So if
you study lit, you will notice and you'll pick up on,
you know, a lot of these illusions and references which
are all over screenplays and films. Which is funny to
me too, because like, not many people catch these references

(01:38:43):
and the public is getting so dumbed down and uneducated.
I'm thinking, like, who is even getting movies? Like if
you watch it, like take the movie Eden, Like is
anybody even getting these literary and philosophical me They're talk
about Nietzsche and they're talking about books, and I'm like,
does it are people even understanding these references anymore? I
don't even understand what is going on. Is everybody just

(01:39:06):
becoming who's gonna watch movies? When everybody has like fifty
IQ and we're all just like total retards. Will there
even be movies? Maybe movies are gonna go away? I
don't know. It's roll stakes ten dollars. Would you consider
doing an esoteric take on anime? Akira or Neon Evangelian? Well,
guess what I guess from two days ago, I have

(01:39:29):
a list of animes to analyze. So I have Blue Exorcist, Vexcella,
full Metal Alchemist, Neon Evangelian. So I do. I guess
we need to eventually do that roll stakes. I think

(01:39:53):
we actually finally will. I am going to now that
I've gotten necessary clagh with three complete Yeah, why not
do some anime? Let's do it. Let's do esthotic analysis
of some anime. Rui Teksira ten pounds. Thank you so much,
appreciate that. Super chat. Guys, if you would like and
share comments, tell me what films you'd like me to do.

(01:40:17):
I know we got some of these anime recommendations. If
you're watching this podcast or this live stream later, comment
down below in the comments and tell me what movie
you want me to see. You want to see me
do a deep dive on mister Jackpots five dollars. Jay
one hundred and eighty k. Congratulations you and Jamie. Is
there going to be a party stream? This is kind

(01:40:39):
of a party stream. I mean I thought we did
one hundred and seventy five K party and that ended
up being a member's party. This is I guess you
could say this is kind of a one hundred and
eighty k party stream. But will there be a two
hundred k party? Absolutely, you bet, guys. Two hundred K

(01:41:01):
party will be legit Polymath, we did Ghost in the Machine.
We did a whole nineties hacker installment. We did Johnny
Amonic Hackers, Ghosts of the Machine, and something else. But yeah,
if you search the channel, hopefully they'll come up. By

(01:41:25):
the way, guys, if you are going to look in
the archives, I am going to go back and fix
the titles so that hopefully they will be searchable. I
notice that if you title your video something weird, like,
you'll never guess what this movie is really about. Like
unless you get that title right ten years later or

(01:41:45):
five years later, it won't pull up. So what I'm
gonna do is I'm gonna go back. Yes, we did
lawnmore Man, that's it. That was the other one. I'm
going to go back and do this like this. See

(01:42:08):
how I titled this five years ago when I did
From Hell. I did it something like from Hell What
we All miss because I thought that would be more
of a catchy thing. This hasn't updated yet, but here's
what I have retitled this tallis Jay Dyer on from
Hell Johnny dev Weatherground.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
That's what I'm gonna do is I'm going to go
back through and retitle these so that they're actually findable.
That way, it'll be easy to find them. Hopefully this works.
Let's see what let's see. Let's type in lawnmore man.
What do we get because a lot of these don't
even work, but nothing comes up when you search these. Okay,

(01:42:48):
that one worked. So here's Vanilla Skuy video drome lawnmore
man in existence. And let's see how do we title
the one with? Okay, that one doesn't come up. So
here's a great example. Let's try ghost in the Machine

(01:43:09):
or Johnny mnemonic. Nope, doesn't come up. See this is

(01:43:43):
what I'm talking about. So Jamie and I did a
whole episode where we covered that type of film, like
that nineties hacker genre. So if we search the channel,
what do we get? No, that's crazy, that's so wild

(01:44:06):
that like, and it's it's weird too because you don't
it doesn't even there's no logic or it's just all
I guess algorithmic, like like why was that one hidden
in the algorithm? You know what I mean. I'm still

(01:44:41):
trying to find it because I know we did it.
It's when Jamie and I did us the Dystopian series.
I think maybe YouTube just like pulled it or something
that's kind of weird. But that's what I'm gonna do
is go back kind of rename these so that hopefully

(01:45:02):
they're kind of they're searchable. Maybe I made it for
members or something. I don't know, we'll find it, but
let's see. Nathan fifteen dollars. I'm a low low IQ
viewer supporting the stream. Hopefully Chalk helps me lock into reading. Well,
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Joe Mom of five dollars, did you see good Shepherd. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
That's based on the actual formation of the OSS by
British intelligence utilizing things like sculling bones to recruit the
early OSS members. Apparently the CIA had qualms with it,

(01:46:33):
and I was surprised that was directed by Robert de Niro. No,
it's very accurate, because you even have that skull and bones,
you know, p p ritual where they're all getting pissed
on and they confess their sins to the goddess and
all this kind of stupid stuff. That's all accurate. Storm
the cat ten dollars. There's a philosophy channel called form Scapes.

(01:46:56):
He's some kind of perennialist, but he has a philosophy
called morphic resonance. It almost sounds like orthodox essence energies. Well,
I haven't looked at that, but I've heard of morphic resonance,
and while there might be similar terminology, I highly highly
doubt that it's close to the essence center distinction, because,

(01:47:18):
for example, a lot of New agels say, oh, yeah,
it's like energy, everything's energy. Even David Ike will say,
you know, everything is all reality is energy. But that's
not the essence centergy distinction, right, that's the distinction between
God and his nature and his energies or operations, and
then for us, grace is uncreated energy that we participate in.
And that's not really anything close to what you know,

(01:47:44):
new age theoretical physics type people think. Although there might
be some minor overlaps here and there, agent nothing. Did
you see David Wood just admitted to something with Ridbond. No,
I don't know about that. I saw this on X.

(01:48:05):
You did a very good job being discerning with Wood
and rid Von to be conmen. Well, I don't know
their motivations. I just kind of go by what I see,
and I don't know if they're conmen. But you know,
I don't agree with some of the evangelical stuff that
Wood has and I know Wood has been really going

(01:48:27):
hard against Sam Shamun, but none of them are Orthodox,
and I think that's the real problem here. I know
Ridvan was moving towards Orthodoxy.

Speaker 8 (01:48:42):
But.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
I don't. I just moved on, So I don't know.
I haven't kept up with it, but uh, I don't know.
I mean, everybody's always there's always some kind of drama
that I just don't follow. Anyway, Guys, thank you so much,
a lot of stream, a lot of good topics and
discussion on the stream, hopefully you enjoyed. Yeah, I knew

(01:49:05):
that was from Rupert Sheldrake or something, so I've heard
that I remember his talks when he kind of remember
when he first popped up with the band of Ted
Talk or whatever. But anyway, thank you guys so much,
A lot of fun. Hopefully enjoy

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