Depino- Carlos Quiroga Interview 1967

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
We're located in front of the TV station WUE. I'm
Sam Depino, the man I'm about to talk to who
remain unidentified until such time as this tape is released,
and only on his permission will it be released.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
The date is.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
February twenty seventh, nineteen sixty seven.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
That is correct, Sam.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
What is the first what you are an investigator for
Carlos spring Gear and the Cubans?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yes, we were trying to find out either are some
anti Qwans who killed President Kennedy. We are the first
one to try to bring it to the District Tennis
office and to who've tried to straighten out this mess
that mister Garrison has brought up to the Quan colony
in the audience, and I think to the whole Quan

(01:09):
colony in the United States. We have been embarrassed by
mister Garrison due to the fact that information has leaked
out of his office that they may have been some
Cuban refuges involving this. Sam, and this is something that
we cannot tolerate now from Garrison nor from anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Do you feel that the anti communist groups have anything
to do with this? Do you feel that if there
were one person or two persons in the Cuban refugee
groups that were involved in the assassination, do you feel
that they are representative? Do you feel that they are
perhaps not what they appear to be, that they are

(01:50):
perhaps communists or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, they are anti castrole. It's just like anything else. Sam.
You cannot judge one a church by one priest, nor
can we judge all the Cubans in Exius used by
two people by two Quan refuges. Now my beliefs, my
believes and I sincerely believe there is that if there

(02:14):
has been any Cuban connected with assassination of President Kennedy
has to be broadcast for Cubans in the city of
New Orleans. And my reasons for it is that Osweal
was a Communist and there is no doubt about it
that or maybe that they may say that Oswell is
a is an anti communist. This is this is completely wrong.

(02:37):
I mean Oswald, which I myself knew in August sixteenth,
nineteen sixty three, when I went to his house one time,
he was a believer of communism. Now this is without
a doubt that he was a communist bring bring gearsow
me in Canada street, Oswald tried to and trying to
infiltrate his organization. This isn't a warrant. Commission reported, it's

(02:59):
not doubt that he was a communist, that they in
anybody's mind that he was a communist.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
What do you think the DA is basing his investigation on.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Well, he's inva his investigation, he's basing a lot of
uh non factual information uh uh information which uh may
have been given to him by unreliable people. And uh
according to one Jack Martin, Jack s Martin, I guess
so yes, uh is is uh mister Martin uh the

(03:29):
basis of his of of his whole investigation, uh sam
uh I I believe so uh in in a way,
I I know that he has given me a statements
I I can I can prove and I I can
tell you right now. I was in in mister Garrison's
off in mister Garrison's office, and I saw a long,

(03:50):
long statement from Jack Martin. Yes, and of course, like
I say, this is this is not uh, this is
not a lie. The and mister Garrison will have to
disprove me. And I tell you something on that I
will go and I'm be willing to take a truth serum,
and I will ask mister Gasson to take a true
serum and see who who is telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
You would be willing to go under a polygraph or
a light detector test.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Polygraph sam, I would go beyond the polygraph test. I
will go be I will take a truth serum, and
I will invite all the TV stations, I will invite
all the radio stations, all the newspapers in the world.
But I will like or like also when I'm taking
the truth serum, to get mister Gasson to take also
the truth serum and see if he will be willing
to take one, because I will ask to to uh

(04:37):
get a lot of information from mister Gaston when he's
taking that truth serum.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yes, Well, what do you think, uh, how do you
think David Ferry fits into this?

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, first of all, now let let me bring you
some facts about David Ferry. Uh, David Ferry is at
one time he was in this Uh he tried to
help out the uh the the Q and C in
the and this was back in nineteen sixty one. Now
let us don't confused dates. This was nineteen sixty one,

(05:07):
at a time when Fairry first came.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
To We're continuing the tape. The conversation is continuing now.
There has been no editor here.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
In sixty one, I was not like I said before,
I was not here in the city. I was studying
in Baton Rouge, and I came to New Orleans in
September of nineteen sixty one. Prior to that, Fairry had
tried to help the Q one s here in the
city to do what he could for the for the

(05:38):
anti Castro groups in the city, especially the King ra
Rus Front. And when I met Faerry, we of course
met and I knew him very well because he was
trying to help us out and although we didn't do
much at all here in the city during that time.
But yeah, this is where apparently Garrison is is, maybe

(06:01):
Lincoln q as, I don't know. Uh. Ferry was a
person who I would say, never spoke about killing the
person in the United States. This I want to assure
you that he that I know that I remember. Uh,
he never tried or even said or even spoke about
killing the person in the United States. Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
To you, to me any of your acquaintances that's correct.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's correct, Sam uh. And this is where maybe mister
Garrison is based in his investigation. I know that Jack
Martin has told this to the District Attorney's office, but
let us remember that he was nineteen sixty one, not
nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty three, like Jack Martin has stated,

(06:45):
and which I has already proved to the district his
office that Jack Martin is wrong.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
What do you think the district attorney took your testimony
to him? Seriously?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
What do you mean by that? Sam?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
In other words, do you think that the district attorney
believed you when you told him this? Do you think
he is winging this now? He says he is going
to arrest people? He is he is sure that he's
going to arrest someone. It has been innovated in the paper.
I don't know if he's Sam.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
I have proofs. Jack Martiny has nothing. I have gone
to the district in his office. I have given him facts,
facts because I was in it. Jack Martley was not
in it. Jack Martin also, may I say tried to
help Q and see here in nineteen sixty one now,

(07:35):
But may I say that only in sixty one? And
Jack Marty was not trusted he did by qans.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
So in otherwise, they never were accepted into the Cuban community.
They were never accepted into the anti Castro group. But
they did try to get into it is that not true?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
No, they do in Bay of Pigs and even a
little bit after they did help Queen group the Cure
Rollers Shine Front, which our catcha was. But now let
us remember one thing that I CATCHA had. I catcha
after bail Picks had very few friends because just like
the cum rollers in front in Miami, Uh, after bail
Picks they stopped blaming him everything on the cue Roller

(08:16):
Shine in Front. So and even in Miami, the the
the group got, uh started getting smaller and smaller. And
I catcha the same thing here, people didn't like a
catcha after the bail picks. A lot of people in
like a catch In fact that that catcha was alone
for a long time and he had nobody, know all
the Queans helping him at all. So the you say

(08:36):
that Martin and Ferry were helping our gotcha, helping our
catch that's correct, that's correct. Uh. The one of the
things that that uh, mister Jack Martin did for for
us here in the city was that he got what
is called paper bullets. It was a little proclamation from
the mayor. UH declined they for paper bullets. Now this

(08:58):
this was actually nothing but a little problem to see
if we could maybe raise some funds. Now the just
doesn't misunderstand bullets. The thing was Jack Martin dream of this.
It's just a slang word right to collect bullet paper
because it was money and bullets because it's for for
fire against Castro. And the reason why I want to

(09:19):
point out this is because I don't want uh people
to think that his bullet was to kill anybody. He
was mister Martin.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
This Jack Martin has been said to have threatened people's
lives on several occasions.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes he has, and he threatened mind.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Uh do you think that it is possible that mister
Markle and mister Ferry and mister Arcancia might have uh
in A in an angry moment, UH said that they
were going to kill the president because of their situation.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Sam, I never heard of him. I never heard or
Arkancha UH said anything like that. I don't think Arkanca
is a person that would do UH believe me, and UH,
of course Ferry never I never heard of Ferry saying
something like this, nor uh Jack Jack Martin either uh
say something like that. Uh this is uh something that

(10:12):
I'm amazed to do to even you know, hear about it.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I say, do you do you think that any of
those three men have ever met Oswalt?

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, according to Jack Martin's theory, apparently uh uh, Ferry
had had met Oswalt in nineteen sixty one. Now yet Osweal,
according to the FBI and to everybody, Oswall was in Russia.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
When did he move into town somewhere around mayor or Uh?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Who?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Uh Oswalt?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Uh if I'm if I'm not mistaken. Uh Oswald came
to the Orleans around April nineteen sixty three. Now there
are two years in between that that. Uh uh uh
he soon believed what Jack Martin is saying. Uh uh
this was April sixty three, and in nineteen sixty one,
apparently Jack Martin said that he saw as what with

(11:07):
Ferry and I in the Mancuso restaurant. And this is
something quite interesting, is of course it's not quite interesting
when we say, when we see who who is the
man that said it? Jack Martin? Because Jack Martin is
capable of anything. As I mentioned to you before, Jack
Martin on the on January twenty third, he threatened to

(11:30):
kill me because I was going to the District Attorney's office.
And of course, uh, the next day, uh the only
the next day, I went with my wife because my
wife answered the phone and uh, and my wife was
scared of death because Jack Martin has said over the
phone that he had killed fifty people in one day
and one more wouldn't make any difference to him. And

(11:53):
we went to the District Attorney's office next day, Like
I said, my wife and I and my wife recognized
the voice of Jack Martin on the tape that they
had and uh so after a while we were brought
into mister Garison's office, mister Grison's Uh. Of course I
have met mister Garrison before, uh when I went over

(12:14):
there to try to help him get some of the
straightened out, bring him some facts and some things over there, uh,
which I had gone twice before to the office before
the twenty fourth. And UH there mister Garison, of course
UH told us that yes, that here was Jack Martin,
that uh, that he was sure it was Jack Martin,
and that they knew that was Jack Martin. And the

(12:34):
reason why mister Garrison knew there was Jack Martin for
sure is because information has licked lick out of his office.
And he told me and he had followed your eyes
to me because information had licked out of his office.
Of course, now as you know now he's met with
his stayed at him because he stayed down lick licked
the information. Uh. This is quite interesting.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
When the you talked to Oswald at his home, why
had you gone there?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, first of all, Sam.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Uh uh uh Lee Lee Harvey Oswald tried to infiltrate
call US organization in the uh.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Uh if I'm not mistaken, it was in the early
part of UH excuse me August uh August and uh
no in I think I he was uh before that.
And then he appeared in Canal as A as an
anti castro. He appeared in Cals store and as an
anti castro man, and he gave uh Colins mc guire
a book about uh astr I I uh marine instructions

(13:41):
and uh then uh a few days or a week
a weeks or so uh later, uh Oswell appears in
Canas Street with a procastro big procastro sign. So Carlos
and two other fellas find about it, and they went
over there and they got in the fire with Oswall.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Did you see this?

Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, I didn't see this, uh Sam adding I didn't seen.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
The other two fellows.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
There were two other q ones. I don't remember their
names right now, but very easily you can very easily
find out who are these two fellas because they're were
in court as you know that they charged Oswell ten
dollars for disturbing the piece and this is on record.
So UH, I don't know the names. So these two
fellas uh. And then UH I was uh. In August sixteenth,

(14:25):
nineteen sixty three, I was in Thompson Uh in the
Thompson Caffetia where a group of us UH used to
meet most of the time used to uh uh an
expression in English just shoot the bull, you know, at lunchtime,
and we used to get get together there and u
uh Qwan comes in there, rushing into the Thompson caffetier

(14:47):
and he says, how do you like this? He had
in his hand one of those leaflets that Oswell was
passing the you know, hands off Qua from the Fair
Play for Qua Committee. So uh anybody. They just looked
and the things that were So I I took the
handbell and looked at and I said, well, I'm gonna
get him. I'm gonna see I see what what he
what what he's doing there? And besides, I had the

(15:07):
intention of calling the police and put him in jail.
And so I rushed to the scene where he supposed
to be, and uh he was not there. He was
going so uh then I run to call us, uh
bring Gear's place, and I told call us about it,
and we discussed it, and there we thought of something
which uh we thought it was the best thing to do,

(15:30):
was that if he tried to join us, why don't
we join his organization. So I, first of all, I
call the FBI, and I, uh, which I'm not gonna
disclose the name of which I talked to. Uh, it's
this person that I have been in contact for many
more times.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
There's no need to disclose the names of FBI agents, particularly.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
At this time.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
No, I I am not so I you I call
the I call this man and I told him that
why they did not arrest Oswald and he he told
me that uh uh there was nothing against the low
Then uh for Osle to pass and he coming he's propaganda,
and so I was quite insult and quite mad. And

(16:11):
besides I then I called also the police department to
see if uh a lieutenant, which I had then later
on contacted again he I have met him before and
I knew him. So I contacted him and I told
him if he could put Uh Oswell in jail, and
he says, don't worry, s's uh I if I catch him,
if I catch him around, I'm gonna try to book

(16:33):
him again. Uh, just like he did in Canal Street.
So that that was a Friday, and I and I
told uh carl Us, I said Carlos, I said, I'm
I decided I'm going to join Oswell's organization. But we
had to be very very careful. So after work that afternoon,
at work and after work, I went to Oswle's I

(16:56):
went to Oswald's house. Uh. First of all, may I
say something. I had a fifty eight chevrole at red
and white with a sticker I had gone to Qua
in nineteen sixty Uh, and man, I said this, my
father been in prison for five years now, and I
had a sticker there showing the custom house.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
In the prison in Cuba. Your father is in prison
in Cuba.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Right now this moment. He's not, but he was released
not long ago. But he he had He was in
prison from nineteen sixty one, about two weeks before Ball Pixie,
he was in prison, and he was in prison till
nineteen sixty six. But I had a stick of the
Custom House, and I thought I could full Oswald in
a way by just showing the stick that I have
been in nineteen sixty in nineteen sixty in Cuba. One

(17:43):
thing is I am also that I want you to
explain why I was the ideal person to join Oswald's organization.
There is we have to understand the Qan situation. Many
of the Qans who at the time UH in nineteen
sixty three, they that were pro castro or at least

(18:04):
that were not against castro in the United States, were
those key ones who have been here for many years.
So I may have a pretty good access a very
bad accent in Spanish, but I can uh, I can
express myself very fluently, as you can see now. And
so therefore I say to myself, well, I'm a q

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one who have been here for many, many years also
knows very well, because he is he is in an
organ in an organization. It's the delegate of an organization
that is the Castro uh, the Castro movement in the
United States, which is a fair play for Q committee.
And so he must know that the majority of the

(18:46):
Q one see in exile at the time who work
Communist are those who've been here for many, many years.
So what I did I went after work to his house.
I went to the h I couldn't. I looked at
the handbill, and I looked at the address, and I
went right next door to it. Lady and I asked her.
He says, uh, where is this Where where is this
man at? So she said, she pointed out to me,

(19:07):
says he's that Uh ride in the back there. So
as I'm walking around also was waiting for me outside
and uh, as I'm walking towards him, he he's right
behind the little fence, ou fence. He goes in the
house and he says, please, please don't hit me. Don't
hit me. I said, no, I'm not gonna hit you.
I said, uh, I'm coming to talk to you. I'm

(19:29):
very interesting too. So he says, uh. He says, you're
not gonna hit me and I said, no, I'm not
gonna hit you, said, I just want to talk to
you and so and he said, all right, come in
and he should can with me. And uh he was
very he was very very nice, and so we sat
on the porch and uh we started talking to One
of the things that uh that amazed me was how

(19:50):
much he knew about geography of Cuba. He was very
very well acquainted, uh with the with the different uh
provinces in Cuba, UH cities. He knew very well with
Las Vegas and the s Combrian mount Square. He was
very well uh acquainted with the Sierra Maestra. He spoke
about his Sierra Maestra and he was he looked like

(20:11):
a person who has reaped quite a bit about cure.
And of course we started talking and I told him,
I said, you know this capitalistic uh q ones who
have gotten out of out of QR just for you know,
because there were millionaires and Casher came in there and
gave all that money to the poors. Now they got
mad and they over here. This is the type of

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thing that I was trying to to to get into him.
And he was agreen all the way.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Other words, you were trying to to talk his line
so that you could you could convince him that you.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Were also a communist filtrate, right, that's right. So we
started talking and and he was telling.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Me that as you were a communist for one day.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, that's right. Well by how followers, the commedists, Yeah,
of course, Uh, well.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Tell me more about the conversation. We we understand your intentions.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
But uh I then uh, then we started talking and
uh about uh Castro. Uh. He of course was completely
against this missile crisis. He said that, uh. For example,
and he told me this and this is in the

(21:27):
FBI records that in nineteen sixty three. Now they he said, man,
I I want you to listen to this very very carefully,
because I have even written to the President of the United
States and in an open letter in nineteen sixty four
where Oswal's intention to kill Americans was there before he
killed the president. He told me that, of course we

(21:51):
were talking about the missile crisis, and of course, as
you remember, at the time of the missile crisis, uh,
the United Sts was ready to invade you one and
he taught me that if the American solience will ever
invade QI he will go to QA and find whitfidel
to kill the American soldiers. He said he will kill
Americans if necessary, and to that he was right. He

(22:13):
killed the highest military man in the United States, the
President of the United States. He killed him in in
nineteen sixty three months just months later. This I pointed
out to the FBI. This I pointed out to the
President Johnson.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
But he never he didn't he he indicated that he would.
He awakes I there in Cuba. But did he at
all hint that he was planning to kill the President
of the United States at that time?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Well, no, he didn't hint it.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
But as did he say it.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
No, he didn't say it. But may I say this now,
he was a believer or communist, And let us understand
one thing too. He told me that his group, and
he he said he had a group in the owners,
wasn't the minority. But one day they will be in
the majority. Now, of course, as you know, Kennedy, regardless

(23:08):
of what uh he was to us in bio pictures
of on so on, he was a leader. He was
a leader in Latin America. Castro is also a leader
in Cuba. Castro has said that they cannot be two leaders.
And this is something that uh Gason should uh investigate
because uh one one of the uh Castro men has

(23:30):
said one time that they could not be two leaders
in the Western Hemisphere. And then of course that uh,
I guess one of the the one leader was was
Kennedy and the alm was Castro, and of course they
got rid of to me, uh they got rid of.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Do you really look on Castro as a leader in
Latin America?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
No, no, he wasn't.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
No he he hasn't been.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
But he is a leader of masses. He's a leader.
He's not a leader in Latin America, but he's a
leader of masses now masters because of course he he's
although he has and again in sixty three he controls Cuba.
He can talk to to cures and and lie to
'em and and really lied to him and and people
some people just are uh just just kind of uh

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or they don't trust him. They they they they they
like to hear him. He he can he can attract
people when he talks, although he just talks nothing and
he lies on TV. He's still he's still a a man. Now.
He Castro's trying to be a leader in Latin America.
Kennedy is a natural leader. Kennedy, Kennedy has the warmth
to go to Latin America and attract the Latin American

(24:39):
people to democracy. Now Castro is not a leader, but
yet he the e Comedy is trying to make him
a leader in Latin America. You see. And what what
other reason but to kill to kill Kennedy, I he
he he's a man that that has attracted the Latin
American people. Well else to kill him was the best
thing he could Uh Castro could do?

Speaker 2 (25:00):
What else did uh uh Osborn say? It's give me
the apartment.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Uh there were other things he said, for example, now
it's strangely in off Uh he said that of course
Castro was a uh ah a good man, that uh
Castro was doing things for the qub On people that
uh no other man has ever done. Now and and
of course he told me too that uh Castro was

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not a dictator and that if the United States should
invade any country should be like for example, Nicarawa instead
of him. He was in a theory that instead of
invading Qua, the United States invading I Cuba, that the
United States should invade uh Nicarawa because there was a dictator, Somosa,
and that he says, Uh, who let should get rid

(25:48):
of is Amosa, not Castro. And of course, as you know, Uh, Somosa,
he's a dictator, but he is a he is a
he's also a friend of the United States. So he's
his theory of dictatorships. Uh, he was against Batista, he's
not against Castro. And Castro is the biggest dictator in
Latin America and the crewest dictated in Latin America. But no,

(26:08):
this is a good man. But yeah, he wants to
get rid of Somosa.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is That was after Castro had come out and
said that he was a communist.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Oh, sure, Marxist.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Did did Oswald say anything about being a Marxist that night,
did anything?

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yes, yes, yes, he said he was a Marxist. Now
something too. That Uh was what one of the things
that struck me the most. As we were talking, a
little baby came walking down into it, came walking into
the in the in the porch, and uh Oswald picked
up the baby like a psycho potatoes and the baby

(26:47):
was kind of filled and so forth, and he picked
him out like a sack of potatoes. And brought inside
the house, and I said a few words that I
could not understand, and Uh I looked at him, and
I looked at him and I said to myself inside,
I said, my god, don't tell me he's a Russian.
He said, man, I really got a a real hot
story here. So uh I as he came outside, I
asked him. He says, uh, uh Oswal what what language

(27:10):
is that? Russian or something? And he says, uh, yes,
Uh he says, this is Russian. He says, uh, I'm
taking languages at uh Tulane University. I said, oh, you
taking language at to l university. Well that's good, he says,
you know, that's one of the best languages you can
you you can you can study I I at least anyway,
one day we'll all have to study Russian. And so
uh this, of course, uh is this event UH led

(27:32):
me to to uh a few things which I I
will uh tell you at at at a a later time.
But let me continue with this. Uh uh osweal at
When I was uh at his house. UH then we
kept talking about different things about castle being so good
and the uh Grand Reform. He was familiar with a
Grand Reform he was like he was uh familiar with

(27:56):
a lot of other reforms that will Castro had done
in Cuba, and and uh uh, I thought I had
him convinced that I wanted to join his organization. And
this is my feeling. I had the feeling that I
had him hook and sort of speak, you know. And
so I told him that I had to go. So
I went and I told him, I said I'd like
to join his organization. So he went inside and brought

(28:19):
with him two things one uh this excuse me or
one that was one that was a slip or a
little slip to join the the the uh Fair Play
for Cure Committee and uh which, of course uh there
was a membership for the TOM join the membership of

(28:39):
the Cresenta for Cure And I had to give a dollar.
So I did not give him a dollar a day,
mainly because I was not about to contribute at that
time without getting permission from the United States government. So
I pulled my wallet, and I knew I didn't have
any money, because I never carry any money in my wallet.
So I opened my wallet and I said, you know,
I don't have enough. So I reach in my pocket

(29:00):
and I didn't have enough money, you know, to complete
a dollar. And so I I told him, I said,
I'll tell you what I said. I come back later
and I and I bring you the money, and I'd
like to join your organization. The other thing he gave
me was a book called the It's a little it's
not a book, it's a little uh pamphlet, uh the

(29:20):
Crime against Cuba by Carlist Carliss Lumont.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Mister little Money is very famous for his comics activities
in this country. And UH one day I will show
you the books and you can, if you want, you
can make copies of uh for a study copy of
the whole book. It's it's quite interesting. In fact, Uh,
it's quite interesting because he quotes uh he makes uh
uh uh fool brighter great American and I mister Lipman

(29:48):
is one of the he's the dean of the newspaper
means in the United States. This is a quite interesting book.
And this is what ours will believe believe and and
and of course as you see uh some of these
people and and full Bride defending this and defending that,
it makes me wonder sometimes I'm not I'm not accusing
full Bride of being a communist. But uh uh, but

(30:10):
it's it's a strange thing that you hear some of
these people here being for to make tray with Russia,
and then you read a book that os Will the
man who kills the president the United States, and then
you see full Price's name is is quite it's quite interesting. Uh. Well,
after that, I left the house and I brought him
to my car. I wanted I wanted him to see

(30:31):
that I had a sticker in my car, uh from
the custom house in Cure, because this I think was
the key to the to the whole thing. And I
showed it to him, and boy he was, he was
in his glory. And so I left the house and
as soon as I left, I went in contact the
the friend of mine in the police department, and I

(30:52):
told him that I would like very much to join
the organization, but that I would like to get permission
from the from some time of government agency so I
could work with the government in this thing. I wasn't
going to act alone. I didn't want to. I have
never joined in any organization that communists.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Last statement, when we had to transfer over to this
side of the tape, we were talking with an investigator
for Carlos bring Geer, a Cuban refugee bring Gear, has
been quite insulted that the DA is suspecting or apparently
suspecting someone in the Cuban refugee groups and fields, that

(31:39):
this has been a reflection on.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
The entire group.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
That's that's correct.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Now you were saying that you never went to a
spot where communists were without informing the American government.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
That's that's correct. Just like for example, I mentioned before
these provyet name means that we're held in the catastrae.
When I went over there, I reported, immediately reported to
the police that I was there, and I wear over
my muffy uh moyage that uh while I was there,
and they they have always known that I do this
type of thing. And uh, of course I'll tell you

(32:14):
something else. And mister Garrison knows that too, uh at
this time and because they I have told him and
some and some people in the police department has told me,
Sir Garrison about myself too or my records on that uh. Uh.
I was as I was saying the the mister uh
when I when I went away Oswald, there was one
thing that struck me was that Oswald spoke UH in Russian,

(32:40):
and this called This led to for me to uncarver
Oswald in a radio debate that calls Bingear and Butler
had with uh Oswald. Uh, mister, Uh, mister Butler, of course,
of course did you know anything about Butler, about UH,
about os Well and call us either, but call us.

(33:02):
I had told call Us that Uh Oswell spoke Russian,
which I struck caller call us uh uh too. And
so therefore the night before the debate, UH, I told Butler.
And of course I did not wanted to mention anything
that was given to me by by the by UH
by Matello that day, because I did not I'm not

(33:23):
a person who likes to leak information out of any
uh uh garment agency. So I told Butler. The only
thing I told Butler was that The only thing I
told Butler was that to investigate Oswell, to to to
get some friends and investigate oursl because he spoke in Russian.

(33:45):
So that struck to Butler and UH. And I told
him that I could not say the rest because again
and that that was given to me confidentially and I
would not disclose it. But that led Butler to get
more information about Oswa and when they were in this
UH radio UH radio debate, Oswald was shot completely chook

(34:08):
up that they knew about him speaking Russian and that
he had many Russian so for and so on, and
and they completely destroy him. In fact, what is important
too is that uh, this is one of the e
many many UH reasons why the Wine Commission UH said
that os was a communists and the FBI could prove that,

(34:30):
uh that osw was a communist because he didn'clare himself
a Marsist.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
But the Warning Commission said that Oswald acted alone because
there was no conspiracy, which is the basis now. UH
the district attorney in New Orleans believes there is a conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Well, it is any conspiracy has to be a Communist conspiracy,
and not I believe in ah an anti castor conspiracy.
Because Oswald was actually uh a believer of communism and
this see he he has stayed ah he when I
was in in in mister mister House, I was the
sixteenth There's no doubt about it. He was a believer.

(35:07):
And I know when a person is a believer of communists,
because remember I am a Quan and I know when
a communist is a believer, he's a fool. Now we
haven't q many stupid guy guys, and that's why we
got to the castro. But when you have a comedy
a communist was a believer, you can you can more
or less we queue and say we can smell him.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
The confusion around this, which was solved by the Warren Commission.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
It's in the Warren Commission.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Report that Oswald had reported five forty four Camp Street
as his address. Now also at this address was the
was earlier another group, an anti Castro group. Yeah, now
you were a member of this anti Castro group, were
you not?

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yes? I was? Now what was it?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And give us the background on it? The dates, this
sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Well, the most important thing in here, Sam is the dates.
Let us talk about facts and uh and let us
not confuse dates or events. First of all, may I
say that the the Cuban Revolutionary Front, like I said before,

(36:21):
prior to the bail picks and after the bail Picks,
was not was not in five hundred and forty four
KMP Street. He was in the Poulted building. And this
is where the dis Catonist's office is. I believe he's
kind of confused. Now, why we choose first of all,
and this is true, and I again and what I

(36:43):
want to say now, I assure you that if I
take the truth serum, I will be saying the same thing.
Why we chose that office? First of all, the one
of the main reasons was that Arkaca knew the owner
of the building and he was nice enough to that balter. No, No,

(37:04):
we knew the the the owner of the building. He
found in forty four camp, which was uh his name
was uh. You told me a little while Sam Newman,
who is in.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
The Sheriff's department here, he's one of the the uh executives.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
With the sheriff in the Orleans he is, Well, I
didn't know that, but anyway, And the second thing was
that we at the time were trying to start one
of the biggest thing the Cubans I've ever done in
the seniors, which was Crusade to Fakeua. Now, the crust
to Fakeua was organized by or Dreamer, by Sirhiro Katcha

(37:37):
and who went to see Ronnie Kerr. Ronnie care was
the uh uh mister Ronnickare was a publicity uh man
and uh he chairman.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
The chairman of this committee is uh mister Montleon who
owns the Monthly On hotel in New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Is that correct? Yes, yes, yes, he right, he was
the chairman. But uh again we needed an office. We
need an office besides us, uh mister Ronnicass office. We needed.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Front.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Right, you got the office for the Cuban Revolutionary Front
in sweet six of five forty four camp.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I don't know what what what rule number I can
tell you, but.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Uh, you were there how long?

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well we were there dates I will say from uh
and I'm not I can't tell you sacked the sack dates.
But if you take, for example, and you're examine in
sixty one and begin oh no, no, no, no no.
The the Fine forty four Camp Street was at the
end when Crusader figures started in at the end of

(38:41):
nineteen sixty one and ended at the beginning of nineteen
sixty two. It only lasted U uh the the most
five months or four months, I won't even say four months.
And this is where Gason is. I think it's confused.
Now this office in the in Fine forty four Camp
Street with uh missus uh Newman on on the building. Uh,

(39:05):
I don't believe that was there. Uh that uh the
office was used by the kumerosion I front for more
than four months. Now I'm saying came into the city.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
When who a castro I'm sorry, Oswald.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Came into the city in nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I see, And you were there in nineteen sixty one,
that's correct. You had a radio in that that uh room.
What was it used for?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yes? Now, that radio that we had was uh a
radio that was given to to uh Serio ar contact
by a frontal his I believe that these men uh
had given to Sergio and the men leave around Broad Street.
He was a a l a big big radio. Actually
it was one of those army uh the all army radios.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Was it a receiver or was it a transmitter?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Also? Well, uh he was now used as a transmitter.
He was only a receiver.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
See and did you monitor a castro or anything like this.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
To know what? No? I tell you that that radio
the nothing because uh uh we didn't pick up anything
at all. We didn't transmit anything. We didn't pick up
anything that radio. In fact, tell you they did they wanted.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Person told me somebody was working on it all the time.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Wait, when you left, you left a bunch of papers,
and on the paper was a Sciro's a proclamation and
a letter from Bob Kennedy, and the names of all
the people on the committee, and the head of the committee,
the delegate.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
And this.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Now do you think DA suspects any of these people?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
I would say this first of all, may I say something? Sure,
ar Coca was already out of Crusetta Figua. Ar Coca
was not a delegate, not a delegate of the que
Revolutionary Front when that office was closed, because Arkitca did
not uh belong to Crusetta Figua. To the end of

(40:54):
Crusetta Fequa. Mister Luis Rabel was the delegate of the
uh Rover Front when that office in Campus Street was closed,
and so were many many Quans in the city here.
In fact, I was not even much interested anymore myself
and crusetto Ficua at the end when they close the office.
I don't know the facts. The only thing I know

(41:16):
because Rabel and all the Cubans I talked to mister
Newman about that office, and as I understand from what
was heard where I was talked before and so forth
about that office, was that they there was money that
some that the the office was not paid. Uh maybe
they didn't pay for a month or two months.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
But Oswall, according to the Warrant Commission report, listed five
forty four cap as the address for the Fair Player
for Cuba Committee.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
How do you think he came about that address? And
do you think he ever was up there?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
I really don't. I really can't tell you because I
don't know from.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Where was Oswald at the time of your UH group
was at five forty four Camp Street in Russia.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
And this has been proven that he was in Russia.
He was never here in the city. And this is
what this is what I cannot understand. How maybe mister
Garrison is Lincoln Q and qans and the Corsetta Figuo
and Oswald was never here.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
On that list.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
There was a man named Riley. When Oswald came to
work in New Orleans. He worked for the William b
Riley Coffee Company. Is there any tie in between the
Riley that was on that list and the William b
Riley Company?

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Uh? Course, Now I mean I say this, Uh, there
was a rally in the UH Corsetta Figua and he
was a supporter of the Crusetta ficke Ui, I will
say Now, I can't tell you, but I guess so
I guess he was.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Now what happened to Oswald at his work at William
b Riley Coffee Company? From what I was when he
was uh handing out these leaflets? How soon after that
was he fired?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
I c I I have never studied very close the
uh all these facts. The only thing that I know
of is that also was working in the Rally company.
And uh, I believe M when I know. What I
can recall is that after he start passing his liftless
he was thrown out. He was fire from the Rally company.

(43:22):
Now what or what reasons? For what reason he was
fire or what? I don't know. Really I can tell
you because I I I really don't know, but I
know he was. He was fired from the Rally company.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Where does the former chief of police, mister Banister fit
into this picture?

Speaker 3 (43:39):
This I don't know. I can't see how uh guy
Banners that fits into the picture. Uh Uh Guy Banneter
was uh, of course a a person that I knew him. Uh.
I used to go to his office in nineteen sixty one.
And I want you to know and I wanna make
it clear that I have never been in Guy Banness's
office in nineteen sixty two. I've never been in Guy

(44:02):
bases off in nineteen sixty three and sixty four, sixty five,
sixty six up until last night that I took a
car around the block to show one newspaper man where
that office was. I've never gone back to to to
that place again. And the thing that may have put

(44:23):
the guy bands is that we used to go there
every day. There were two reasons why we used to
go there every day. First of all, Guide Bankers would
let us use the office to make phone calls that
we need to, and we used to go there and
doctutionary front. Yes, in nineteen sixty one, we used to
go there and make phone calls.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
And and uh, is that when you had your space
in the buffer building?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
No, no, no, that's that's when we had no No,
that's when we had no office.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I see there was a time there that you had
no office.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
That's right. And this is why we were going to
the And that was the reason that why we why
we used to go to Guy Bansers. We had no
office whatsoever. And that was the reason why we uh,
we we're going to guy. One of the reasons why
we're going to Guy Banister's office we could make phone
calls there and uh we used to talk to Jack
Martin and also David Lewis. David Lewis used to be

(45:11):
an investigator too for at the time for uh Guy
Banister at the same time too. May I say that
Guy bannisil what uh? From what I remember, I was
also investigating uh something uh for mister Ferry about his
uh his uh homos uh this uh crime against nature?
He uh exactly what he was investigating. I never knew

(45:35):
because mister Ferry used to go and talk to mister
Banister by by him by himself. What they discussed. I
knew that was this uh this his homo homosexual life.
Would you say, uh this crime against nature deal? And
Guy Banners was trying to help out uh, he was

(45:55):
trying to help ut Ferry. May I say something else
that Jack and also wanted some money out of Ferry
for investigating his case too. And this is a fact.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Have you ever heard anything sad about uh Jack Martin
having a revenge motive in this because Ferry might have
tried something with Jack Martin's.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Son Uh no, no, no, no, because no, let us
remember one thing. Jack Martin's son is uh s I understand,
and I have seen Jack Jack Martin's son. Uh he's
quite small. I don't think that Ferry would try something
I had on a small kid like that. Now he
he's he's not a boy of age. Besides uh Ferry.

(46:37):
Uh of the people that I seen seen with Ferry
uh in sixty one, which were about three or four kids,
there were uh teenagers. Uh but uh they were maybe
uh sixteen to maybe twenty five years old. But uh
remember that Jack Martin's uh uh son is uh uh
the one that he he has in his house now
he's he's he's uh I think in grade school or something.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
So that might blow that theory then right now.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
The other theory, why uh, is that Jack Martin was
trying to investigate for Ferry. And this this was something
that was discussed in mister Garrison's office when I was there.
I was trying to interrogate uh Jack Martin that uh

(47:24):
Jack Martin was trying to investigate. And I, by the way,
I brought this up in front of Lewis Ivan and
about this little fact.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Louis Ivan is an assistant district.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Ye, that's right. When I was when I was interrogating, uh,
when I was interrogating uh Jack Martin, and Jack Martin
got shook up about it because, uh, I remember events
in the past where.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Jack Martin tried to frame some people.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
In this thing.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Oh, yes, definitely, he said so. Uh he he was
going to.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Tell you on the phone you talked to him recently.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I was, well, when he tried to me, when he
tried to kill.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Me, and what did he tell you? Well, it's threatening
to kill you.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
He he had told me that.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
He told my wife excuse me, he didn't talk to me.
I was not home. He told my wife that he
was gonna kill me because I was going to the
disc attorney's office. He told my wife says, how many
times your husband have gone to the disc attorony's office
and my Houseand says, well, well, so what and he says,
what what's wrong with that? He says, well, what saw

(48:31):
your husband is on? And I said, well, I mean,
uh in the discotoni uh office side. He said, what's
wrong with that? He said, well, let me tell you something.
He says, I have killed fifty people one day and
one more will make a difference. He said, you tell
your husband. If he keeps going away, I'm gonna kill him.
This is the time of type of dogue of course
that Jack Martin uh could do. And uh that I

(48:54):
recall he tried out on me one time before.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Now did he tell you that he was framing very
Do you say anything about uh framing anybody else?

Speaker 3 (49:04):
You see?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
David Lewis has said that he overheard four or five people,
I don't remember the fool details on it, but that
he has heard Cubans discussing the assassination of the president.
Now did the Cubans in this alleged restaurant and these
alleged Cubans talk Spanish or English?

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Well, I don't know because I was not there. Now,
may I say something about David Lewis? And uh, of course. Uh.
The first thing that uh Jim Garrison, If Jim Garrison's
gonna take a testimony David Lewis, he should investigate David Lewis.
And I'm not gonna go into details at the moment. Uh.
Second thing is that uh, as I understand David Lewis

(49:46):
is not annoyed Jack Martin, but uh so I understand
he's kind of unrelival. Uh. Let me state the fact
that he was not a good investigator when he was
working for a guy Banister and this is this is
something that Uh. The reason why I'm saying is that
that is because uh he was in financial problems, Uh

(50:07):
that I remember, and I'm not sure, but he was
in kind of financial troubles and I was trying to
get another job because he couldn't make it in god
Ban's office.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
What do you think is gonna be the outcome of
the DA's investigation.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
The outcome of it, m Well, for the sake of
Jim Garrison, it is hoping he has something besides his
statements from David Lewis and Jack Martin now uh that
he has.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Do you feel there was a plot to kill the president?

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Do you feel that Oswald could have could have performed
the feed of firing those three shots of that shorter time?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Well, I I'm not an FBI agent, I'm not uh
an especialist. Uh in that my theory, and my theory
is that they may have been a plot, but the
plot did not occur here in the audience. And what
I'm gonna tell you is a fact, Uh it's not
a fact, but he is something that is more reasonable

(51:02):
like missigason investigation and maybe misagasam may uh one day
UH will come up with something UH in this regard.
What I'm gonna say now also is here in the
city he goes to Mexico to the Mexican embassy. He
disc he talks to the ambassador of uh Qua or
the UH one of the men's in the embassy the

(51:23):
I I UH the Qan embassy in Mexico. And after
that he comes out of there. He says that he
could not wealthy, that he could not UH going that
were not allowed. They did not allowed him to go
into Qua. And right after that he goes and killed
and then then some days later he go he kills
the president in the United States. Now again, let us

(51:46):
remember that Castro UH did not want to lead us
in the western hemisphere. Secondly, is that we have to
remember that the Qan embassy in Mexico easy point of
s of his of espionage for the whole Latin America

(52:08):
and uh Uh. Another thing is is that the spy
that was at a camp UH while I was was
trying to uh to to uh to infiltrate cars organization.
This spy who was Lady also confessed he was a
spy in Miami, was sending letters to a point of

(52:29):
contact in Mexico. That was the point of contact for
or the drop point so to speak, for the Cuban
embassy in Mexico. You know, was there was a this
this house was where people would send males that they
wanted they wanted to get through the q On embassy
and this this spy was at a camp.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Do you think that it's possible in these recent Cuban
UH Americans of Cuban descent that have come back to
the United States and Castro has let out, you think.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
It's there any spies among them? You had a spy.
I'm on your own.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Well, it's possible that since you had a spy there,
that you might have had a spy in this that.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
A guy that was that was working with Oswald. I
think that's possible. Yes, now is anything you're doing this
investigation now?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Well, one of the reasons is we want to we
know that there wasn't any plot. He had to be
a communist plot and an anti communist plot, an anti
an anti Castro UH plot here and this is one
of the reasons why we were trying to investigate, because
we're going to vest we are trying to to finality
truth there. And also being a communist, there's no doubt

(53:42):
about that. Oswald. Uh, it was not a communist.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
This is you see, you keep going back to communists.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
But do you think that there might have been somebody, say,
a pro Bautista man or someone who.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Not a pro Batista man. It can be a Propatista
man and be with with with with Oswald? No, definitely not.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Well, all right, do you think it's possible that it
could have been someone who felt victimized by the Bay
of Pigs incident and felt deserted by the president that
might have talked with this communist and you had two
people from one extreme to the other saying, well, let's
kill the president.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Do you think that's possible?

Speaker 3 (54:22):
I don't believe. So now let us let us don't
forget that this is this is something that we Qans.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Many Americans don't understand now. The only hope we had
to return to QA and to always trophy Castro was president,
can it believe it or not? Because he had promised
the Bay of Pigs and all the Qans in Miami,
in that stadium that one day, WI share which one
day he he promised that one day he would put
that Bay of Pig invasion flag and the Qan flag

(54:53):
in in Havana. Now he had promised that to us,
and therefore the only man that we had any hopes
to really go back to Qa and over through Castro
was President Kenny. How then, how then, can for example,
a man in the brigade who, although he may have

(55:14):
been betrayed by Kennedy, but then Kenny promise, he promised
that he was gonna put that flag in have on it,
How could he then ever dream of it? He could
be possible, But I I this, I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
You find it difficult to believe that any Cuban refugee,
anyone that participated in the Bay of Pigs, could have
been angry enough at the president to have plotted his death.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Well, it is. It is possible, but not probable.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
In other words, just possible, and you're checking it.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yes, Uh, now I'll tell you they are of course again, uh,
maybe two or three from bail Pigs that are in
the audience, and they're very respectable people. In fact, one
holds a gunman job right now, his name is mister Folder,
and I don't think that mister Folder would do something
like that.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
He's a well of.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Course, then then you have some people at the far
into the spectrum too. I mean, you have you have
your people that are dedicated to go to Cuba and
take over.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
And fight and die if necessary.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
But do you have do you think that there may
be a few people among them that were so disappointed
by the Bay of Pigs that they might have said, well,
Kennedy should be shot.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Maybe. So I mean, you know, you can you can
say something and really don't mean it either. Now let
us remember that now it is possible. It is possible.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
You find it extremely difficult to believe.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
But it's possible. But he's but I don't say it's possible. Now.
What I cannot believe is what the investigation being conducted
by Garrison and some of these things about Cuban refuge
in the city. Now again we will be the first
one too, We will be the first one to point

(57:08):
out to mister Garrison, like I said on the FBI
and so forth, is there any anti castual Cwans that
have done this but that I know of? And what
we know and I'm not and we were not going
to details what we know because I have been in
the disc attant's office. I have been given confidential information
by mister Garrison which all will not disclose now what

(57:30):
I know the investigation. I don't think mister Garrison has
anything uh in that he could really actually uh prove
that Danny Cwans were involved Anti Castra Cubans were involved.
Remember this, uh, this is a testimony from Jack Martin.
David lewis a criminal. Uh one criminal. I think there

(57:53):
are two criminals involved. I mean, is this the type
of of uh testimonia you will take for case in court?
I don't think it was.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Then you say that you could spot or smell of
communist Do you think that Faerry had any Communist leanings?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
David W. Ferry, the man that died recently, I will
not come out on that. Well he's a dead man.
But do you think he had communist leading leanings?

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Well? Uh uh mister Russo, is that his name named
Basil Rouge?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, I guess uh.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
He said that he has spoken uh uh in Farewell
Fidel Castro uh fair one time that if Ferry has
spoken in Farewell Fidel Castro. Uh again, it is possible.
And let me leave it up to that. I have
uh told you this to get down hisself for something,

(58:47):
and I cannot reveal it right now.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
We're gonna turn the mic off for a second. M.
We have picked up our conversation now after going off.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
The record for a few minutes. Perhaps uh, the investigator
will reveal that to us at a later date. Perhaps never.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Do you feel that the Warren Commission report is complete
in itself or that it should be reopened now?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
It is complete in one sense that Lee h uh
Uh Lee h Oswell killed President Kenneday's no doubt about that.
They they went very very carefully on that. What there
are some doubts and uh and I believe to me
saying complete. For example, why the Warrant Commission doesn't call
me to give my testimony because I'm the only man

(59:38):
who ever who as ever up to the according to
the Warren Commission report, Eric gave a slip for example,
that joined his organization. And I'm the only one that uh,
I think that he Oswell ever gave a book the
crime against Q and so forth. Why why they didn't
call me up? Uh? Of course again uh Uh. Oswell

(59:58):
has told me that he and that could give him.
This also is fact that he had told me that
we made four five membersy in his group. This is
something that I have never been able to understand. And
therefore I will say that there are some doubts in
people's mind body Warren Commissioned report. I do have my
own doubts, but only in the sense that there may

(01:00:23):
have been other people involved. Yes, but if they were involved,
there were commedists because as well as a communist. But
there is no doubt in my mind, and I don't
think there is there is any doubt in the American
people that Oswell killed the president. And mister Gaston had
stated that in his belief or that he thought that

(01:00:43):
Oswald didn't shoot anybody in Dallas, and this is he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Said he wasn't sure he wasn't as well shot anybody
in dallat well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
This is something that is very responsible for him. He
had read the Warrant Commission report. He has seen how
explicit the Warrant Commission report was in this regard alone.
Now people have seen Oswald's take a shot at tippet
Uh and they are beyond doubt that Oswell was the
man that killed the president. Now, of course, if Jim
Guyson could prove something something else with facts and note

(01:01:15):
and not with just rumors or or testing money from
Jack Martin and some of his oils fellows, well, then
then he has a case. But right now I don't
think he has a case.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
You would never question by any FBI agents in regard
to this, to who, to what. In regard to your
contact with Oswald.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Sure I was contacted. I was contacted today's after President
Ken was killed. In fact, I have initialed my slip
and also the book because the secret server was very
interested in this, and I have given all the information
I had. The FBI contacted me afterwards when the one
commission reporters started, many many times they they came around

(01:02:01):
and asked me, uh, all kinds of questions about what
we you and I discussed today what what Olswell has
said and so for and so on, and they were
very very interesting in that. But again, of course the
Warrant Commission report never called me. The FBI was very
well aware of my activities. Uh again, in of what

(01:02:23):
I did in August sixteen, nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I see, we're just about to the end of the tape.
We've been talking for about an hour with an investigator
who would rather