Garrison Interviews Jack Martin Pt. 1

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Uh is it very mean? Do you really enjoyed me?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
You you?

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Oh he's the guy.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
He's the guy that's got the fucking kids for Christos
A thirty.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, yeah, you guys you look the part at h okay. Uh,
mister chick, right, I just telled this thing all how
hard I wanna tell him about it? You look at
the little lay he did. He could be that for
take happened? Uh? Is it a rock head? How much

(00:34):
stocking place?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
But they take many a round two pey, you know
there's nothing wrong with you. Uh, I'm a two men
in the city. Well, so what down there fixed gros
gun On say? Cost about your saying? I imagine you
always play. Is that when you spending good money like that,
it's gonna last for warm funny if he is, that's right.
So when you plean one be someone's gonna last one.

(00:56):
Okay the next mample let's walk. There's no eyes got this?
You were gonna get a row. The number was that
don't shake down a credit A lot of Davis's office.
He spared me. If we'd get back money, you know
who witness sat you know who bu the was once
day would double get Ferry sat there. You remember, it

(01:18):
be better if I couldn't use him because he was
burning the other giant or number what was it that
uh don was shaken down? Uh eight birth grand and day.
Ferry and the cat were sitting there at nine hand
a bay and and and you tell me they to bomb.
I remember the estatement, uh something about uh we we'd

(01:38):
kill oursels for you and this or that other thing
blah blah blah. But giving on a life or wiping
ground life. You remember you go down h yeah, yeah,
I got you was dropping down out and I'll buck
a glare. They was back and forth with me, show
me a go buy and in fact on that door
just the other day. But I wanted a month before
over wash go week versus right down, I can if

(02:00):
you go picking guys now And he lived, he got.
I don't know it because I don't you know, I
do the same thing. I I kind of uh n
uh that person because he was a blase about I.
I don't know this.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Uh Barrier is a very interesting person, and.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
They're looking into it.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
And uh from one.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Person, Delia, you say that that attitude too, And I
I well told Persian n wordly messing him back on
the streets until Cato well like told persions, uh I,
I have to form a blank what statements I may
this man? Uh I got a little work boring him,
so we stayed with that may mean questions. Funny my

(02:43):
geble to give us some good leads. And that's why
I'm very interested. That's why I came went this morning
on the usual underusal circumstance. I have any querson that
uh uh we gotta lead on him before you see
uh uh in sent the Gudrun mother right after the
person was killed, and uh and the FBI I had
decided the dolls over and they have you had were balled.

(03:05):
Of course you can. I second, we'll give you that
league where that when the game from Yeah? Uh so
Herman Colman was a young reporter that wrote the starry
I say you when he was first he happened alright,
and so you know something about it. But what happened,
uh apparently have the bureau and nothing never bowed it
up early or that discount of it that's like, wow,

(03:25):
thig it.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Is or not?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
They they must the figure it's something wrong because you
cannot discount that easily. The man Uh well, I mean
even this nigger that's splendor, the nigga that's human, fucking
nigga that's working for very dolls and their forties. In
the characters of 'em. I might sit in the Parry
and Brownley or the Internet. You cool you or something.
This nigga and there's been driving young nigga. And if
you try to take Ferry long for a long time.

(03:50):
Back to Rogero Perody was back in the thirty eight
for followed what on moll pay all the time out
here as a revolver, I ask like this nigga said,
back it up along as No, he was a back
up all the time. He's one day he carries a gun.
Now he was picked up one time. On his story,
I believe he no Ferry he had the bodyguard. Yeah,

(04:10):
he was a little saying.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I mean I saw was still a bodyguard. No every time.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Now this nigger prince to be him again for Berry,
no me clean you on this put his night. I forgotten, Okay,
I think it was still or something like that. I
forgotten cause he give his first advice to his still
to forgotten. But Nah, this nigga, you.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Don't have a.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Make it take the court. Oh yeah, no, I don't
assume the miniger. Let me tell you he's a clip
got looking in sharp and maybe a bit of livery
when he shark.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
This guy was backing a lot for Ferry.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
He was driving him around quite often, always in the car.
Uh for this niggers. Yeah, I'm want taxing this word Ferry.
When Perry was in Texas just before I had problem
burd In the assassination, and right now me get that
he was in Texas.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
So I understand cause he went everywhere with Berry woo
with Berry in a sense of point. But now he
knows that the saw Brownley went cause he used to
not the neighbor well, the same mad heart Broun. He
went and he wanted the Ferry, and Brownley went. This
vigure was there too, now that they have been three
of 'em, that's right. How do you know this neighborhood

(05:21):
was there? I just last he went everywhere with Therry.
Now he this leader would have been the same leader
that they saw in a book depository in the one though.
That's right, not open thought that what does it look?

Speaker 4 (05:35):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
What's his hair like?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
He's uh, he's a he's a doctor groom.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
He's he his are used to be pole all the time?
Cut short, uh short. Yeah, Well look.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Before a ferry guy his case.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Killed over here before Christian his gay charged with the
ground and they said he came back out of the
service just before he got the having as nats. The
case was in jeffs that's right, and intimidating the states
where missus was in arms, right, And I mean he
had to work something out because all of the victims
on up of that case, because all of the big

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wis Jack Man thre his case because he back out
of the service at Murray and contacted Berry and says, no,
I don't I'm not a minor anymore. I'm gonna get
the tucking back right to New Orleans Street. The very
pay him up, Oh the beast very put him off.
Know what happened in Jeffson, I don't know, that's why, Okay, anyway,
sure what happened was just before the miss Negro guy

(06:35):
in jail here in New Orleans on a I picked
up on the wiing or uh Bigmancy or something there
went before battle and Verry came to my house.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
With the rest of 'em on Army's happening and he's
been sitting in.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Jail three days before they allowed to use the fall
and Berry got a hold of me. It came over
to my house and got hold of me, and I go,
this is just then he would the rest just before
buried the Orleans cas was gone, yeah, yeah, the del
Navy and said be a Yegans engage just before the
Jefferson about the night groups just came back in town.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's a guy that had chopped.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Just before the Jats. Guy jumped up that he like
Danuary sixty three somewhere around in there anyway, that's this
niggah nigga turned around and was in cham breaking to
my house. And I talked to Judge Bablon and told
that Battle on the Night a negga that he would say,
uh if playing a doctor, Ferry go on an airplane
and New Orleans Airport and he was an aeroplane Mechanican

(07:31):
advised U Badelon released him as a favorite zone. Now
now I'll tell you till I probably him a month
of it. They may have listen. Now Unfortunately Jim, I
figured they ferried was that and't buried it something your own.

(07:54):
So unfortunately went hear her about the time and he's
got me in trouble here a local league and it
was just before an assassinations Candy. There was a guy
working case of eighth Bury. He's trying to pull the
very final license because of the ex actavities. Uh you
mean working for the Eastern now, uh uh uh this
guy is better than that. Oh really, that guy's drying

(08:16):
for his finals. Li sug Yes, this man is in Washington.
And I when I was back in Washington, but at
uh before I had a lot of attacts. I listened
to this man a playing me. I knows together you
a couple behind buds is this man is a former
bureau man. He's a goodferent aeron caller. Uh huh, you
know calling a bureau and I he's with these he's
uh he's either the chief or the assistant chief or

(08:38):
the officer. The quiet and sibility of the FAA worked.
His name Richard E. Dick Roby. Wasn't the said, uh
Richard E rob.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
R O E d y.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
You know, i'll e e y I think depart alright.
He's that bipoles they you know, a certain line.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
What's it done?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
He's leave. He's an investigator.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Office of.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
From Class and Security.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Federal Aviation of Rod replies all the way, Oh okay,
now it's telephone number is SP three twenty one NU.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
On Expecsion four five two four Now, and he's.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Got a residence and he's got a wrestler's form in
Silver Springs, Maryland, a black files, yeah, yeah, alright, and
he's got a wrestling pall alright now. Because of the
fact that Dick Roby had a personal thing that for
some reason against the day Barry, I said, all my
files to Dick Groby, I ain't even had notices of

(10:00):
man when at day Ferry at side down and showed
my wife various formulas and calculus and hilpematics and how
to construct uh like you said, listen to look at
myci born a guy looking him a born nine by
And how out of constructing the town the bomb the
moon usually make that a field? Yet all of the
numb it, I mean that's lots of years the name no, no,

(10:23):
not you far bark not many fields little the makeb
or did the general make up of a town bomb
after or or something? This is something that first cause
definite it might even work. It's time possible because I
had some guys look at it. No, I had to
all enough, how do you describe it? Provided you's a
olipium l like thh you went? But yeah, just my home?

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Do you know that?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And if you know what you don't have to you
don't have to use them your hard waterfits you know
the heavy water bet, you don't have to use the uh,
the heavy water bet when you bother bart you waken
a fields or uh. I look at this and the
jality because even the grew, the descriptions of the of
the mechanical side went the saying I kept these hooks.

(11:08):
Now I have these attacks from one of the papers
that I ShW 'em to take the mob me got holp.
ME want this case because I figured Michael actual pay
prairies too, you know what I'm saying. And then he's
called the god on the baby day Prairie five. Then
when the tape was arrested.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Here any Orleans, I also send me could just take
I think I'm stuffing Well, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
This, uh if I'm right? And he made sent them
to me, yes, uh, what's your home of bets?

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (11:33):
And I'll put a copy of a few uh eighteen
thirty six and a half. That's for me. And then
I'll put a copy of a few so he can
take a new permission. Yes, that way, that's why I
I'll you type a little statement and I'll put a
miller there anything, and I'll say that they tackles the
system and became art with Michael North their phone number
uh ninety four three six ninety four nine. Okay, I said, no,

(11:57):
let's tell me more about this story. And I find like, uh, no,
I like it. Then we have something here if we
keep the quiet fie Bernie had typed me, Bernie had
clagged me and upline on the caps what he plent
it happened, and and.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
The discrepancy contlet the police departing.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
And gar story for what these people had done.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
In every detail, allegedly.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
This side of the story was in this brief. A
pen attached to the brief was an appendix, an index
naming the times of places just like you, Just like you.
Wrann poot nototes on a U A a U as
a technical body. See you know you put him in
the back of the book. And this is the Shepherd
paper that gave the names and wishes and pulled on
the organized, the inside organized. He does everything hits a

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black point. He does it Viri speech and Locke's national
pool and you're gonna see flying on. It's to be
for person nah the unusual. You see the books you
got back there, he said about half the shelf or
a Latin the brief and equally resolible, exactly cracked the
roses we can crack and tell you that minute he

(13:05):
can crack the hooped off us out of the sat.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
That's another report.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
You're like this and on this state of Susaw. You
think he's re English. You look over story. He's bringing
cold turkey live and unpokable. Now's that efficiency a part
as well? No, let me fool you where you were
at all?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I had very good story that very was a priest.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
At one time and he left the church in grace.
If he did that, you believe he left the church
in grace. You can still take him in and can
he come a later? But he can't marry that deadness stay. Now,
there's a lot of guy's walk and loose that'll let
the church in Greece that they can't marry. Now, there

(13:47):
were silk provisions made by some European visions work were
priests and left the church in grace and wable America
especial situation. That's right, you know, I mean he might
have been lived in well or not he was he
can call the capital. I'm gonna tell you now Fairly's father,
Federly's father wasn't the lawyer with the police department in

(14:08):
Cincinnati or hih you know about this? No, I just
know he's fumbler since that alright. Verily's mother and I
were very good friends. And she used to sit and
shake her head all the time, and she was at
the bough Captain. She used torefer the candle twenty four
hours a day of the work the Holy version in ours.
Now Fairly had a bunch of missionary police stuff up

(14:31):
there in his house, invest into everything. The only place
you get to leave these these these are this is
prickly issue stuff. I've seen her stuff before. I know,
I've been around seven is back when I when I
tried a lot of time, you were usually safe in
the records. I know. I don't get people in the
church myself here. Very interesting, that's that's kind for a

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young year to h background. Uh, well he fleeing myself.
Other got a legitimate advances degree and then he went
to the seminary.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
He was a priest and in the precious work binds
and I.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Ordered the precious Blood you know that in the cat dog. Yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
He loved them breaks. You know, I was talking police lettering.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Now. Dick Roby had me questioned me on this, and
I said I didn't wrong. So one thing I called
Barry this is when he was leaving around how he
didn't get drive and not that I called Dave on this. Uh,
I'm on something. And his mama answers her poor herms
of course not be talking that she was mad. She says,
I don't want her to do with his boys. Said

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I'd rather be dead. I'd rather want see this Jack
I read, she's a love the one person she was
scared of not to do. How would said, why is
he scared? Well, I had seen Barbie take that Crystal
say I'll come home. They come at the end of
my barn. He does a dirty talk to my life
about this. She'll tell me. One went over there on

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Christmas and he he d he he was dancing around
an all the three or people just like a winter
kill us so efout five or six a month. But
in fact, well that's why I lead hot guys won't
learn a lot of order. Those stampsas from the ferry. Alright,
So any ways, you talk him about killing these bondsmen.
If you throw off these bonds crooks and Jefferson, he's
to kill all cops. I mean, it's insane stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
He was sober.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I'll tell you who most witnesses cause my wife and
there was a woman no relation to us, uh missus
Martins and a rt Irons. Now if you remember it correctly,
when Ferry was a Rise and mart pot.

Speaker 6 (16:33):
Brother a Witnesster, guys in a rch ns and the
arch and the art team ianis marke Dan's hart marketiners
an aartis alright, alright, you remember when Ferry was arrested
by your people there on this jarc the candy been
for investigation.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Alright, said there was a maripoint trip. There was a
heartiness Hawaii and advance that they took in.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
O'h that's her son, not that is his protegeet.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
He got that hid a couple of college scholarships. I
can never figure out when the parious luck and the
boy's mother or other other kids both of hope. She oh,
she was trying to marry this guy, and at that
time she had some stuff that was hamper to take
this fail to marry her. And he says, jack, I can't,
I can't.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
He kept him and he couldn't.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Not that he wouldn't, but he couldn't. Now missus Martins
lives at s At that time she was six or
sixth nationale I put she had draft there. Uh she
wasn't a bat with me or figure in the thirties
of the rights or so. M very interesting that boy.
And she was she wasn't what she called her ugly

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woman by any age.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
But she wasn't.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Uh she wouldn't have winning any failure any kind of
past year. M wasn't that she wouldn't protect any and
he experienced Jackson the wonder. Yeah, well, if she was
a smart boys brother, now this smartin boy of uh
nice oleg k. But if I couldn't, I had.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
A poor number.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
But her poor number no longer exist. But this is
the address.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
I am alright anyway, but I just like that. This
is a carrying on the floor, a coffee and if
if you hang out some if you want to talking
about all I gotta try to say to get to
my dove on my inside line, I'll build the phone
and w oh. Anyways, you're like I described upon me

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for being so black, like I don't believe upon it.
Uh at this time said I didn't know any on
the floor or any mother. And I said, this is furry.
So she says when you meet she said this, I'll
want you at chat who work at rent. At this point,
I was trying to prove the nights I have way
believe in the moro and so, but I had full

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side out of work the sharess office. I said, I'm
gonna decide just why I think you're on the tuny
side side out. A word was was one of my
voice at the shareff's officer thing, you know, like the pause.
So I told him the major and I said, what
if I can't just did the rhyme, why don't give
your whole report it? I I I will, I will
take this. And the guy's telling the kid I was,
I wouldn't grow up.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Because I didn't get.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
That extremission to go, and I I was, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Want to do it. I didn't hurt.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
The chart had to tell me more about him. Well,
and this one of them tells me, she says, I said, well,
I said, she got to tell me. She to who
he was an a priest if you consider her like this,
I said, do you mean to tell me, missus Barny
that he was only a priest? She said, judgement? I said,
what or fascist fu by? I said, gide was what

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really had said? You understand? So now this captain once
his name, but he said airline. I was fighting very occasionally.
I guess the airline file of association. At that time
I got an off puspecsion son was a judgment. Say
that captain's son was a judgment. And I was wondering

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why Captain Ryan that was agree? I wonder why captain
when I there were so bound that way again inspired
and say and captain the runner. And they told me
the burner was a former coach and he gonna be five. Well,
so where do you come on?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Let me tell you is now?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So I called him und up later that evening and
I I called there and I told him day, I said,
I find not win this priest. But because this was hurt.
He went these days against the airline. They played that
he had a new location and go back to the
priest clerk. They didn't. They didn't. They could have no
night clouds. They used this hanging eye and say no.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
And I said, I find I went this three stuff
n for he came from your mother.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
I said, come on over. He came over, and I
told him so. I went to telephon to court because
Perry's up fine on the different and I said, pray
what he might do.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
He might get this cat on the murder chart. Yet,
how could you guess some cop.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Howthing like her? That little cream overser, he wear a
little cranon ot you here on the pram conistra. Alright,
when he.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Comes over, it's about seven thy eight o'clock and anything.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
And I tell him this Jorio's name.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
He's truthful, and he goes like this. Yeah, he jumps
in the car with the nigger and he take off
his mother. In rest that night, somebody says her goes down.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I'll go there.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, that's right, he says, I'll kill him. I kill him.
I I I thought this is where it was coming from.
Her people were going in the house that she's taught me.
He jumped in the car with this nigger and he
took him. Uh. The thing I called him was the answer,
he's a fall head of person. And he answered the phone.
That's the words your mother says, I saved if the

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Philadelphia the last night my father.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Philadelphia, that's what he said, or passivating just.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
The second.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Hey, and was that yeah? Anything?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Was the one instance actually giving us to an interesting
bound on that fell y any anyway, miss he guess
I said, you really send your mother if I just
clicked to fill it out the musisan. Two weeks later,
Berry takes off and went back ees there defensive k

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or some place back in there until your uh this
y whether it was a legend and his mother with
because for two weeks literary takes back, goes backs and
veris mother if she quickly died or put it like that.
Now Berry is a great bringing man in these capables.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
You got.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, or whether she did or not, I don't know.
She was sick, that was it. She was saying again
to go back, and while he was back and she died.
Now this guy has dragged open in your ring, he said,
probably says you would gown poisoned a half of the
dyces nine. But the dcis and the system or poison weren't.
You can lay something on the scant certain culture, go
Peter trade to the outside of tissues of the scanty good.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Sidey Okay, There's a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
To kill a guy. There's a lot of ways to
kill a guy without joining and out of joining our god,
dots and doctors or nine thoutle not even the best
attack of dollars. That's time to get good way because
that's Nicole's understand.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Well.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Uh, I think it's good to know. But uh again
the odd with why did you say?

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Oser?

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Well? And Fantasy's one p. Three. He used to come
to banisters. Now this is after I had met er.
How would you tell Oval several times? Uh? Guy, I
sposed he once or twice me? Alright? This kid, uh
sat at that time was just an an, a part
of the kid run in the line. He had a
lot of 'em him. Every time you see Quarry, he

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had a whole bunch of these kids with him. This
was in sixty three, sixty two or sixty three back
or something, and I think fifty point that's when he
was in Holy struggle say alright, every sixty three. Alright,
now let me tell you. I give you the tottie
and the oseno was perry for you. Like as you know,
when Berry was in his game, one of these defenseman
mechanisms and he came up with was was was that

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he usually c H P slaughter the command if you
remember this, yeah, alright, you get to see ad he
says his positively insist. But anyone, he had just ramped
the guns and stuff. And when I met and he
was training these kids and commanding the stuff side, and
he had a rap of pictures. He take these kids

(24:18):
out of the count and said, I understand he still
got these pictures They gave by ten pornographs of these
kids in combat uniform, of their rifles and stuff. They
are out and they're doing bookouts and stuff. See whether
that's a function of the spy or not, I don't know.
The once say, the very play of Ham the pace,
he's still connected it some way. Uh the way that
he finally Charter, he learned how to go out the

(24:40):
corporations when we were with the other and eat violent Charter.
I saw him in the Morningage office one day after
he was gonna be going the violent a corporate charter
to say it was in was Gianni says.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Civil Air Patrol and Space.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Connections eighteen sixty three. Well under there and you'll find
it up there in the morning. He's office on a
non profit jobs as I saw the tritter weapon in
the Hill's office. And in fact he used to do
this Gills Moty Seal signed Hills neighbors off a lot
of these concoction see any people on a non property
constitution to Recrhill. Anyway, he in these pictures, he had

(25:18):
this guy brus Chef and everybody else, all these cabets. Uh,
but you I should go up there the Losiana Avenue.
We're very useful. Every still with them there on the
second four apartment. Well, he's still alright. You go up there,
you get a whole a bunch of these old pictures.
You're gonna fire and offer's picture because of right, they

(25:41):
very intes be to him and Advantaster's office head. This
is when he says he used to me and I
see a swatter and when he was a.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Little chet honestly in an Alia group.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
That's right, say, and he had pictures of all these cats.
You go fair go through those pictures you can from
you like seeing you this time seclusion the din bass
of office. And that's a uh cier in that when
I was a long history. Uh that was the uh
five thirty one at oflf of Dolan.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Oh black thiry one, locky history on the side of the.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Side of the Oak post office. From there right back
of the cluss can pay oh crema pastor yeah, a
planets it's an advertising's drive white up there, flat thirty one.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
It had a big black daughter, very tiss and black light.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah nothing that small office bennet, Oh, a.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Small set off fay.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah he had he had his front uh four year
office was bigger than your ear office. And he had
two smaller offices up and the side of that and
he got another got out of cover and there was
going with a with a crony in the store room.
He goes to pretty good side of little place. Who
else has ever said, oh ours, oh fairy, A bunch
of kids coming o whole lot of fair Well Verry
and a bunch of Oak bullers to the the ferry

(26:54):
had a hat.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
One of these officers a tea hats one.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
But oh uh like they worried that man you know,
and he that uh.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Part guard classes in the Wherris every now I thought
he was.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I thought he was one of the kill I say
I in fact the concert was one of win a
punt Bay said the fan one days. What was a
man like a guy the cast of type of past? Yeah, yeah,
I mean that's not it though. Actually kid one out
and why do you want to daycap? In the opposite
how old.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Are they are?

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Didn't range any where from seventeen or twenty one? And
they something like that, and uh where.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Was Donard for well?

Speaker 1 (27:27):
He was he was with his points because one of
the guys he said, this is this is who yard one,
he's a point of my well. I was sitting there
and uh, I don't think anybody was in the opposite
Ms Roberts. She wasn't even working there.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
What uh roughly how Kina So it's in talking to
some people and the stats came into.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
S Vince roughly how many kids was there? I'll say
three or four? He would he have cotch it in
this guy I was born in Berry And there was
a couple of guy the other guys who Totton who
was a search yard contract s g rg i Ow
how old was it a ch c A w all
give your rock illustration. Sergio Contuiti then the two to
be a dipal lank or one of the potential affectista regime.

(28:06):
He was a pH d in Columbia Univerview, just in
the US off the interestry was uh what was he
looked at Pisa? He was a league given the thelank
or uh even any ethenolver he was a PhD Columbia University.
Do you mean to say that the uh the FDI
didn't so many interests and things like this?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Uh uh.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
N or anyway?

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Now sergiol was was plumb right, but at Plumba University
as TG work at uh Georgetown University of Investing Patiques
or no, it wasn't though, Oh yeah it was, sir
Joe is this? Uh? Sergio was a type of guy
that's gonna give him a class. But he came. It
wasn't that lay Yeah, yeah, you see, Ferry was helping

(28:57):
to give us another say that's apparently you have. They
didn't trust me. He was helping these the once you
might call a football was uh the fronte against cattle
the inti rital people.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
What they call him the front.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Ay he was a kew binos and the killing Democrats
evolutionary deperation front. So kiben Democratic were evolutionary front. Is
that right? That's it. It was the worst and the
ball for that was the first office, which I thought,
I got the oxta for him. So then one Democratic
what revolutionary flunk? I got crideral ball I doctor ball

(29:31):
he get off at the second he was at uh
ball Uh they were a ball for door at that
hid or turn of ba to wasn't not of that? Yes,
uh okay and oh yeah, and from Mary went down
to the new one. So I buy from the fire
word blump a lot of uh a cant conchos out there. Yeah,

(29:54):
so the cotchos the head of us at that time. Yeah.
Uh Sergio or contact and a connee correct he spelled
his main he's still during the law participant. He's worked
to a girl's related to place girl misguise as a
president to Carlos g r ls kill regular.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Q u I.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
R ol g a u hide r old Yeah yeah
hever Yeah. You listen thirty only Lily fourth thirty place
rwie e r e y oh that's the time he
fell whole numbers nine four or five five, five through four.

(30:39):
Darlst Rover's father is just defined to the sill of
the Twelver that but he's not that the Karls has
been a benefit his captor. Uh Karl's hated perry of fashion.
This is that the right this down that's the Rover's
father is uh the president of Castro that's or it's

(30:59):
a under stay well you hit very very healthy. It's
about he that's we're past what kind of story that is?
Alas a electronic engine areas or the electronic structures becuise
the hes Either way, what did the kids? You would
any guy talk? Again? I don't think so. There were
board of this snave Monday. I don't know. I don't

(31:22):
believe they were really uh. I talk to uh talk
to the middle and they didn't say that's did anything
that didn't support all uh and being only that they're
almost diffa as well. Who would like the worst h
who likes to work? I guess that's what it be anyway,
Uh oh cant who was gonna be around eline just
to too much and would just not eas what the

(31:44):
regarding kay Uh, he's the natal guy I like him,
but well anyway.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
But that that's a a figure.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
But I think it was. I think that's cool mass
for how to get them and anything than you tell
us more about it, Well, only condors grow very uh
and gotcher rang the bay is a joint operation Sergio operation. Yeah, no,
Sergio Sergio is uh is in New York somewhere. He
was working for Ronic Care advertising agency. Was a left

(32:14):
job he had and he's left there. They went to
New York. Uh, Corraga and sergiod Gotcha and doctor Cortona
and it's a sparely keeping police getting a police center
potential about pie centers. They were all good friends who
doctor good doctor Fogola. If the first person appreciate me,

(32:37):
he might be did he's in he's in Washington and
and they were opening finas real top. Now, yeah, that's
one of them, one of them. There was the advances
on that day. Uh, not that particular dayway, but I'm
just giving you an illustration all these guys. What's fun
happened was Cordonna and some of the time officials, the

(32:58):
coordinators and the keeping. But outside of here at the
point at circular on contract and conis for for Uh,
we're going I mean Paragua as the uh and as
the telegents at the front day here for the New
Orleans and back of whose terry you do you're a to?
You mentioned one other fella at the doctor if we're
going with it was the snag what's that pis?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
It was his parent? No who I don't know. He's
move now. But I'm to give you a guy's name
and he's other listed for him. And it's no way
to check the sty out. That's give the drum. Yeah,
this guy's at going last night. He's just you don't
re use my name. And I was glad they park
and any.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Police sufficient weren't they know? He doesn't know anything about
Perry and.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
The inhibient of people as this h This guy's name
is Rafel, the most robell and you feller like R
B E L L y as luis Yeah, and uh
what's the last name? Rafel? R G yell Yeah or
see two many eight seven, I go five. You know

(34:01):
once I said that's he he will give us information
on Starry.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Uh. He says he never a new part, but he
says he would. He will put you next to any
give into the dead now. He he told me that
Collins for regular and be the only guy that he
he like a man grow very well.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
But now what's the girl's position? Is the part of
this operation?

Speaker 1 (34:20):
There's no fun is not doing and he's he's not
taking Carolina the gubents and he's all some money during
the broadcast over there, and he's doing a lot of
MoU But I'll get shoot the people over there to
satisfaze right now. And he wouldn't be uh a negative
about givings. You know, they work with the police, h
R anything America.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I told him, I said, no, this guy that was
interested in some of the operations at that time and
some of the people involved, and so he can think
very I said, it's a it's a it's an official investigator.
I said, no, he should capout to the police. An
investigator ready talked to him the long corporation. You want,
what does connection with this objection? Well, I mean that's
a funny thing. The Kibbins never accrusted Fairy. And I'll

(35:01):
tell you why have you ever studied the psychological pattern
of radicals in any way? Those those people are professor philosophy,
you know, we'll music and you're a good time of
the added verus the amistration. Here is a man that's
an extreme segregation He's an extreme conservative at the same

(35:21):
time he's an extreme anti communist. Now you've got your
liberal liberals too, but at the same time most people
are liberal about communists and socialism. Where do you find
a guy that's split trails that I mean this guy,
he doesn't book a respine. It doesn't match up your man.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Fair.

Speaker 4 (35:45):
It is an.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Extreme anti communist of getting here. I heard you say
this about the Lance and they any Brian to racial discripancies.
They got to kill all the white people are inventry.
The other guy was all whole Paul candidate. He worship
God and he says yours beause they all kill what
he says, they how to kill all the black people
of the post immigration in other words, but he he

(36:09):
claims to the whole home pro tendiate. He works at
Tenna be appointed at young the way he.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Preaches about himty.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
He works at the black guy. At the same time,
he's better than the commomist. Let us have been into
the pattause I fee a number correctly. Even prior to
this trouble of when Jefferson Parish a long the stars
Verry up fetid the rostar. I belion was at one
of the white hotels here even drawn through the dominy
matter one of this now all full towns being a

(36:41):
fear a red And if he did he talked about
and he mentions a pritty strong, he'd be spoke priest strong,
and tell me about the commomies. He's football company, you know,
he can take some of the biggest town the workings
seons are anti communists. We were like, right, some of
the most I'll tell me some job say he up, Yeah,

(37:05):
that's gonna happened to say, Bob hock the do they
help a lot of people? You ever say tall a
little later then you can be around to back.

Speaker 5 (37:18):
H m.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Alright, say that the way I wanna thank you for that.
I mean kind to make a care an the paches do.

(37:43):
What can we go on tomorrow? I mean that's all
uh yelp, But right, okay, I can tell you man,
okay a yeare gonna play land for the nonsen? Uh alright,
I I'm the fun people us to go out on
the street and see, I don't uh certain your own
wife going to holler n of why but if you

(38:04):
remember this, I'll start here. Of course this is off
of the second files started to think any single in
the same opposition. I'm not holding anything, but yeah, don't
they suggest that we get into league the other aspects
of this later or another gets the hosital pile. I
don't little very imported. I was in the Saint Trons
little Child, shortly after the Atlanta problem, and I was

(38:26):
sitting in the nineteen fourth a little property shopping, and
there was a friend of mine and a cot had
come in when a when a lawyer would grow under
here in the sentry as far as and uh uh,
I was just there was a lawyer. Last I started
gonna mind the last and I was sitting at top
of the cotta. They started com there and went to

(38:46):
see that they starts before I ever lose any trouble.
Now they were used in Vain for fots for each
using any fine then make that enough. That's interesting, uh,
he said, I don't trust the spot and watch out
gon' say you much? You know there in other way
people taken playing and go with Cuba and say as
about all the But yeah, I had about how he

(39:09):
applie from Miami and they know he's give 'em these
plaints or give 'em to fly. He wouldn't find shot
I do anyway, he art a prey the five.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Yeah, that's uh.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
He's sick in the words, he wasn't exposed, So I guy,
he sat yas I would around my hope christ was
he pretty as uh musical or why is he such
a hound or gun?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
So?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Possibly likes one a sympost, I don't know. But in
other words, he wasn't working with him, and the playing
was available and the actually I am usual. So he
just be careful of the sacs that I don't trycat
him as the mercenary. Huh, that's right. Uh, you know,
just be careful for this guy. And I don't trust
him a college. Directed don't trust them at all. Happen

(39:57):
enough crushing, uh in search of it trust for now?
You know how the Spanish shot they're gonna use the
spiny name like the cot Sergio or Cotta Smith.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
But Smith doesn't bother. But he's got the.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Surge cota spin. This is how you know they used
to county.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Say they do.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
That's what that's I got byt yeah or like so uh,
that's why I first win to start met Ferry and
then I met Ferry uh again Advance's office a couple
of times. Would you actually met Ferry with the students.
That's right because shortly afterwards see as get Gready burns

(40:38):
when he caught right, then the group for doctor does
out for friends of Don Bryncry to kill them and
they put a bunch of muffle and an on cancer
that down on Saint johnstop, you know, and Berry was
coming over there on three occasions. I know the fact
that Verry turned around and well given us the Miami
and on one occasion on these airplanes just cuber us.

(41:02):
And that was one time they dropped some guns because
I ask the five n y anymore? Was I telling you?
Not far back? I will thinking hard men. A fact
when you check the door, read and you get a
little of big Languorge you used to be with W W.
L atacam alant at that point you don't play out
for the night. But Blofel I was the guy hang

(41:23):
the guys, a man on the pole. So go read
to interview up. We were trying to try to get
the doll cast to himself. I got the wall the
night of NFL. Remember the interview in Erics Casco came
in No on the night of NFL. Can d right?
But I try fighting again? Kind of it looks like

(41:46):
it looks like they were gonna make that much pob
that came. That's right. Well remember the ninth of amount
of found a bottle on a tent of tenthor you
know this film where you had this deal or he
interviewed Harry out and the Associated pressident a mass That
was the first lease eb has not got out of
the van the ninth of NFL. Well, I had been
trying since seven thirty and I had a defensive priority

(42:06):
on the ball through Washington. I got through. I have
a row castle on a full and a command post.
You're here to pull at work and shane off the boats.
And I mean, I mean, if they were listening, it's
a count over you. I was in the Houston predit,
but we had a doctor's fall set up, all right,
A right, we got two lines of w w L
one of them. The tape was on and he had
a Bill readings on the Royal can'st begin the artis beginnings.

(42:28):
So Bill put the talk to so we switched FOP
and we got Harry out in the associated pressing here
bese very own of the associated press out of one
of the radio stations. And the operator just happened and said,
well listen, man here, hurry out. And when the MURG
and the court find and when they be trying to
get and Bill say, plenty of launchers. We got eighty
subjects and now I hadn't got the call through fall.
Let me ask you who are going to get back

(42:49):
to what must reponsible? I asked him to the hospital.
You put your own group because we did it. That
Diecastle was a conomy. Yeah, the leaves so clear to lesten.
Let me ask you know, uh so naturally naturally I
was aware of the contact when they moved in. Now
so we are over finances. This cat comes in and

(43:09):
many uh this is uh wonso he's a friend of mine,
used to be.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
A c.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I don't follow you. All the rest of sport boats,
I can't think. The only one in the count of
the uniform was very the hat com. Yeah he had
a yeah he was he had almost a castro wreck
you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Well, anyway, when
the kids had anything else that Sisivillians. H. I remember

(43:37):
you just had to kids sport boats typical high school kid, uh,
sport cloths or fatigues. Maybe, I don't know, Well, this
group of spots that stuff, you know, all the macer
was in there talking to some client or somebody. All
this gang of little guns in and I I recognize. Ay,
I thought you was a double take. You just take
sun wises on, you know, and I see a continent.
The first I figured a bunch of a bunch of

(43:59):
the kid when I did a dollar looking as you
used to kids, you a rand. I know that's the
day was uh confusion of whether these kids what that's
to do was excuse an operation like a little part
of the Estates friends happened he began with him because
he did he was in trouble. He was tricked, you know,
you know the father reach was uh you know, I
will uh just another one of his friends as far
apparently Yeah, yeah, oh, I I was casual. I don't know,

(44:22):
I I don't know whose cap was. Was just casual,
you know. Uh it was oncen't two or three months
and then they went in to talk to banister. What besides,
I don't know how long in a banister. Oh call,
I don't know, I think I will, but those he
had a figure after that, I don't think they went
back by the time they came back, and they regard
either went to Jack mccoos's defare or to build Nick

(44:43):
or because I mean, uh they Jodan's book even about
them and Joe and I'm the mixed or yeah uh uh.
On another occasion, Oswell has had an office in you

(45:05):
know women Field, and you will see that's the same years.
If you could, you got about the same time. What
would he be going on an office? Well, he got
an office, you know old man office. Yeah, an Jimmy
Jimmy artis has got an office up there in the
building right now, and Jimmy Artist is going and open

(45:26):
the door. Sound about someone or someone we're gonna have
the Oswoll's pampas are throwing in their hell the eye.
I didn't even make them out of his there space
of the office. No, he don't know, he said, but
the day used to go up and see up to
this office up there all the times the office cons
yeah you know, yeah, ain't let me talk to him.

(45:50):
We got to get information on what would you go
up and it was the office just so when you
going to see if they person on that tellem and
so you were talking when you had a progression. He
said that he might be might but uh he might
be able to He thinks he thinks you he had

(46:10):
this guy see any most of course that you most
of the residents on your leave. You know, Okay, you
remember the old man that he picked up on a
dollar you might bits were poking out the monkey the
monkey pictures the hands over. Yeah, yeah, that's the old man.
The pits are boys with the you've already had that,
oh right, Yeah, that's a man after he's got greatly

(46:33):
you pact mboy they could with the uh yeah, uh
tell us more about osson as long if you saw
much again that you Yeah, I was trying to remember
it was in your company's time. Yeah it was a
little company three. But I'm trying to remember. I can't
fill us like they they boy just the same, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, some man.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
What's the name of things don't go in kay? Yeah, okay,
vaguely I'm trying to finish downie. When I was racking
my way to actually find it down a conversation attact,
you know, or pluck mind and what one right at
the side of an actually treading conversation. And I was

(47:18):
a particularly interested when you read, uh I saw a
TV or kill Kennedy, didn't. It comes back to you
the instance of well so every time when I saw
that rifle, my wife looked at it on television and said,
my god, that's the same rifles that they very act
oh reaction, Yeah, and that says it is because they
very formed me. One did they cool?

Speaker 4 (47:41):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Somebody had been calling up and make a threatening phone
calls and it was a crack flock keep on on
us one day and up the north very fond on
the wind that your wife said that too. Yeah, I
and to full my life before he was gonna kill
any guy, look like you thought, you know, it scared
my life after death. And they warned me in one
of those rifles I had it in. I don't look
like it. I get it back to him. Well, now,

(48:03):
if Boswell, there's one jail with me. The man I
saw this name if Oswell was with Dave Ferry in
the c a East squatter and Dave Ferry said he
ordered these rifles. May ordered him and you're old man.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
And uh, uh Uh.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Once you say run the COVID. At that time they
did the new story for the fact that you and
they waited at Berry's house on Athenian Drive, mentioned the
fact that he had the arsenal. Now they used to fight. Uh,
I don't know the guy now he had the raffles.
After they waited him, they give him back to him.
He's got him up there right now when he's here

(48:42):
to have a parkway as far as I know. And
you grandson of Racles and that police for him. Uh
they do. In fact, Colhan given a guy WoT a
car him and a half ride up at a big
k when he was arrested out there. No, but they
went up to WoT up. Uh it it's my life, alish.

(49:02):
But that's where resht the eyes, no word or the rifles.
By day Ferry said, you didn't get it through the parents?
How to get him to day Ferry okays, that was
my first reaction. He had the Palian type. But yeah,
he had these born mcwifels. I have a play of atention.

(49:23):
What the make and wield wasn't the whole action lifel?
See right, you have a whole life. Where did you
shoo them?

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Did he ever explain why you know broking or the
dnica on anybody or rustle around this water. Most are
the drill rifles for the c A P swater. I
never ever see idea it like this. Luck you have
you I never had even uh sy uh you don't
have either the chemical laugh, reploment a diside.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Man, this like that.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
You really a fine want to get to the possible
other time yourself? Uh you old than you do out
and General LEAs came over the David W. Farry that
oten went fomally on one y file and then David W.
Baryes c A P swatter came out.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
It was.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
So the man of time. Yeah, I picked up before
I got b came out. I don't know. It was
announcement W W L that he had formerly done at
day thirty. So he done it yet, see the whole thing.
And man, we just came over and I pulled.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Them all us.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
And then two secret Service cats came over and I pulled.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Out m h. You know David Ferry had too many
take different people kill anyone and they have to be
on uh number. Uh. The man asked me a least
the subway plase here for the next colonel commission there
up there he asked me about the hurt on behind

(50:58):
me and I uh on the wall. They said, now
was a cart, but it's not much They desire just
black you know. And uh uh, I said, what difference
does that mean? I said, I don't live in to
black fork fire. I says, to give a judge doesn't
buy my social standard. That's one of these. One is
the one I have to say in somehow they want,

(51:20):
they want to inst to these details about there. They
were what the atua? We know? They weren't wanna intertai
question of me or what do you mean? They want
to ask tony uh connections with the Gibing book for example,
come see comes on? But they didn't write it. No
the count's notey a nottation or two. They take any
man not my count do no? Uh anyway, not the

(51:44):
way looking back, Yuh, I think that you didn't you
have any right now? Didn't pretty much decided that well,
they probably fixed on their opinions. I I have a
questioning I did their mornings. It's nothing happens to do that, alright.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
The good one wife when I saw him, let me
excuse about a man in me. Yeah, uh, it's been
in my life. When I saw it was sening to
he snack. I couldn't help you because of everything I
was saying. You know, they're not done. This nigger mechanic
was run and hollered. And there's more people when they
seen this nigger out that. And now this nigger was

(52:19):
with honest, well he's way out in the car all
the time. I knew what was with thery, but he'd
be trying to carry around. So he this nigger, I
had a lass over your warm you know, I understand
I where that to one of the negro that's ago.
He had kind of a body dog was with him.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Un all this was even at wherever he went. So
I was trying to know then this I just these uh,
these fellow the egos and the questions you showing answers
in that possibil I think inetation. Now this nigger. The
reason I got mad at Ferry one time was the
fact that the nigger he called my house and got
my wife on the po and he got plenty before

(52:54):
he got smiled with him, and he said about you,
Why don't he thought that was my wife?

Speaker 4 (52:59):
You know?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
And so I hope right round. Sure he's fee a body, Doug. Yeah,
but this leader carries his gun and berry, I said,
kim me a gone. Then it made a friend of
the crystal bigger carries the prease curtain thought, and I
see Erry missus Martins and my wife and my little
boy went thirty Saue and the teen to drive. But
Christmas Eve night five and sixty two sixty three five

(53:23):
there and he was, uh he had got a room
like a client. See where I happened, and he was swaying,
was doing a derby. She didn't have a drinking and
so help me god, it was where's the ug do
he'd stand an organization? And through the derby she turned
and put me around. He just we just open there
like applying. Sofer was gone and he's man, and we left.

(53:44):
We had some uh friend of us the moment make
us up at Cardos one way about Uh well, did
you might say, somewhere else is you you'll see him
up at his uh all fighting place like right on
the but when remember car clean at the street, and
it might have been in this house, it might have
been at all platform. Yeah, I was thinking of yesterday,

(54:08):
but it was at Verty's house. It may have been
because it was always a gang of young people. But
I would go over there and prompted days strictly upon
the occasions because of the thing drive drive, I guess
now I implemented in the apartment. Now very the recent

(54:28):
Perry got te offer me was there was a guy
called the nickname of Alexander to white brother and Alexander
to see occupant ar command write on the bashelor at
that time it was.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
The metropolitan for the Syrian Orthodox Church in New York.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
It was a ball of legitimate, big department baking up
with dry baking up of.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Durgation, I mean an bobus.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
The person Ferry made applications again for the facility of
bodies to enter the Orthodox priestle. Now I had Little Turner.
In fact, Turner sends me to get the magazine of
Archandoxing and all of the literature. I get a grief.
I've never pred this. I little Turner as well. So

(55:12):
Alice writes to me. He says, Jack, what do you
knowings with? So I WoT they dealers. I get copies
of all of the news articles, and I said, work
with the man who's still here. In the you know,
innoc here's the staging of the guy I said, I
can't lie to you. It's the truth may kill him.
Decision very fun or not that I.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Had killed His application was dead right now.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Then he trying to get or than another orthodox I
don't know. In other words, he felt me have a
a sign, had a vocation to get back to you
like an uh you uh uh, and you lost the
rye in the connection. He gets checks in the way
his mother used to get checked all the time. He'd
take him away from her to Caget and one check

(56:01):
especially used to come in now doing a Dean Ryans.
He used to get the checks. So one of us
a check. It looked like a came out of a
large check book for protective graph I can never see
what company it was on. It was a condo paintbook
and check. Do you know if he works now? He

(56:23):
worked for g Ray Jill. Yes, since not a blackmail.
You know. He got the Carlson cell flows and the
Nice and Carlos My cells and enough money to put
him in the gas station. But it was out there
at Bedmans Highway and h on the gap station far
he was. He was a golf descript to golf. There
he was at the corner of Montorymentary Knights and Reverends Highway.

(56:44):
What happened to that?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I don't know. He concs want to sell out of
several thousan dollars A kind of group off at it.
Now Carlos might have.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Something this seraphs sattle brow.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Uh, he might have it. He might have had to
do that to keep the contract office. K Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
The Gulf station is now all by police.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
See the O ali Zzi. It's a Gulf station. The
telephone number is eighty three, five nine, one ninety two
one point. Who's his own by now? The O l
ice eazy guy? Who is that? Yeah? What's his birth name?
I don't know? Play telephone numbers eighty three, five ninety
two one four eight three five one ninety two, one

(57:28):
nine three one four. I understand he's not too happy.
A third alright, I haven't talked on this police seat,
but I I got this or Adelphia and say this
is what I open here from the god that used
to full little gashing out there from the stations light.
Can you reg I think about the other separate sass
when they saw on open, then they way. Well, if

(57:50):
I know that Osmond had those office was up there
acording captain's grants. That's a bus around but those the
presses five four, it's an extor third right there. Well,
Ferry used to go up there in the back and
forth in that office all the time. Yeah, yeah, hell
yes he did. Yeah, I said, Thirry was in. I
had a communist You got I going ere time, say

(58:13):
that's why that's what I mean us up say, going
up and down the stairs there all the time after
the regular front they had mos tuned the building.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
On that.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I was coming around for the basis all the time,
going over the builds. Very why Gouss could play I
see you coming in and out seze car park out
the ministry to look down hall where it was, I said,
bounces office in the same hill, says rightey five thirty
one or a lock youet right around the corner in
the rover Lancusis to play there, Rancluss right on the
corner Jack Lendusi's place. Then there was a little shirt shop,

(58:44):
but then little then let me get the efference to
the Newes building and then uh I was next door
to Apples the shirt shop and next door to that
was Bill Fire. See it's at that. You know who's
that bullying there, don't you?

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Same No, And now I'm saying, Louie n that's the
one that's the more Manister's office. Manast remember in about
fourties when he when he finish died, did he ever
explain why he was asss No? Anyway as the mind,
I don't looking about it. I believe the time at
this time her was going my best to kill guilt.

(59:20):
That's right, this is between all. This is before the nine.
And then then he started to go with guilt and
then and then probably went with one of one of
the ferry up there too. You know, we'll see finally
the problem. Gill was fine, yah yeah, Ron Yeah, Robbie
the prime and all yet and Barney but a fashion

(59:42):
you ll kill kill excuse us, I have a little
sniperd and runs from that side and bass one dollar
mother trouver. I think you know johns Brown Bostine tells
about him, Yeah, about more Probly lives in U three
Tom about exams, Yes, I oh yeah, I just was

(01:00:16):
mm yeah times shi what the teachers see why you
work talk? Wall didn't be hind it's all a tastings
the leven that you you just came at the wrong time.
How many house? Well, if the dollars does not say

(01:00:39):
not the dollars you know where did they fla s well?
Has always been very fair house. Uh, educase to start
in the wrong time, I do, I just started way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Oh it was uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
What you said A lady would be able to give
your boost on him something one wood place. I gave
the laps eat of these guys or anyway, don't know,
but probably you have to get it the best la
cause eight grame. It's eighty three three six four four four.
It's a telephone number and it's on Jefferson that are

(01:01:15):
remember it's it's no it's got three fourths at the
end of it. It's an eight three free free preface.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
It's in the telephone book.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
It's not a the wart probably, but it's under bound.
If the R come here in l E E won't work.
Excuse me, get get a lot they had to use
to work on the detory. Well they enjoy that. Ah,
if you got a copy, uh, they might guess. Right,
go ahead, tell me more about the primly all right,
that's just ly prime to me was all, you didn't

(01:01:44):
mean a fashion at this time? He would come to
my house and he's, yeah, I mean that well all
well the time suits well walk te Wapool always wald Pool.
Now not get under suspense. Time. Have you some stuffing nice?
And you built away? No not that I er sang

(01:02:05):
nothing just hanging out in the horn warn clock down.
I would never built it in the Yeah. Yeah. Now finally,
finally I hain't don a corn club and uh bill
World and another Yeah. When I tell you you can
take all about the narcotice up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
I finally was, I don't know about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
You know, I'll even go to doctor at seven see
lasts in nineteen sixty three, Gerald and the man lit
Mill well most bro anywhere, doctor Miller and doctor mort
He won't during mortars, don't you. Yeah, the Dennis he
knows you go healthy during election or probably know about it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
But I remember you get dentist out there on Jeff
Finley Way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Radley tell you he goes all about Bronwy with than
that water and they t RT con familiar and I
mean he's the TV h you know, I'm sure the
working person. Now Gerald water their water, Yeah, help them
no way, Warner downstairs. Then that's just that's discussin. They're good.

(01:03:07):
They're on their all around and around. Yeah, now he
knows the buff all the doctor Warner is also that
a degree of psychology as well as admastry and increase
the leader share that Ferry is a it's one of
the few cases of uh. He's one of the few
legends we've met the matchicistics at the same So this

(01:03:29):
is the amount of matchesists. They loved them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
They love to persecute themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
They're quicked people. They build themselves up and delive themselves
to their own disruption. They tell me more about Brown.
I have some kind of action with very hope.

Speaker 7 (01:03:42):
No, you get to be any problem.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
This is a check to see if the machine is
working properly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Captain one, m m.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
M hm uh uh no, h here's mister Cohen their place.

(01:08:47):
Yeah all right, Yeah, sorry to body this early in
the morning. Oh you're sorry to bother me. Yeah, however,
I got a call Rick Donny about this a little beforetnine,
you know Rick with WDSU Yeah, and uh uh what
is your apule counsel or advice or won't say advice,

(01:09:09):
but just uh want to chat with you before I
talk with him, talk with this boy. He's called me
several times. And as you know, W DSU is compiling
a background or a uh they might might do a
commentary on this Garrison business, you know. Uh uh he

(01:09:32):
either way it goes, I'm gonna be the shadowy figure
again or something or other. That's probably the projection on it. Well,
without doubt, without dollar reservation, I could give a man
a shit fit worse than novel everything. And uh I

(01:09:54):
didn't know whether to pursue it in that direction or
exactly what to do.

Speaker 5 (01:09:58):
Jack. There a time for tell him the truth. And
if you haven't been doing it in the past, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Not well that isn't necessarily fin no. I you see,
I don't know what you said.

Speaker 5 (01:10:11):
I don't know what you've said. Oh I know is
that there is a time for telling the truth. And
you've got yourself in more trouble with what playing around
the edge of exaggeration, and well there hasn't been any
exaggeration to speak of the deal is that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Uh, there's a lot more uh more pictures than's never
been told. Uh without god Uh Garrison UH knows that
I know a hell of a lot more than I've
ever said, you understand h and uh uh I could,
but I didn't wanna. I don't wanna start on anything. Uh,

(01:10:52):
I don't wanna start.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
I've uh you started something four years ago?

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Well I know, but five five if I didn't start it,
uh started a long time before then. Uh. The thing
is that when I got I can, I can, I
could probably give 'em my worst time and no vowel,
and half a dozen other people could probably jack.

Speaker 5 (01:11:16):
You keep talking about giving people sad time.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Well that's the truth. Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
Wh why don't you just settle down for once in
uh in a long time on saying something just because
it's true and forget well that is I.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
Mean it would say it's it's a whole picture. You see,
it's a whole picture, you know, And uh it would
probably it will were not any god at all. Uh,
well it it would bring it would bring uh another
fella in if you'll, if you'll talk, you know why,
it'll bring at least one other fella, if not two
others into it. If they'll talk, it'll bring everything to

(01:11:50):
an abruptob I don't mean an abrupt fall. I've got
I've got some things that are pretty thing I could
talk about, but and uh it would probably bring this
whole thing to an abrupt hame. But uh, I still
wouldn't want I don't want to. The trouble is that

(01:12:11):
if I do this, I'll be fighting Garrison, you understand,
or you'll jump all over me. You'll give me a
worse time than he ever gave him. No vowel and says,
I'll give him the magnitude of my trouble or be
hell a lot greater than Novel's in h and I gotta,
I gotta, well, it just have to be coom that

(01:12:32):
the tender mercies. And mister Garrison know there's some people
will give me some macaronize, you know. Now, I don't
uh how strong I'll be standing out there alone alone
like a sore thumb or upon the horse did well.
I don't want that to happen to me. Uh Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
You're not gonna be standing out alone if you tell
the truth, because the truth ties together in trouble with
what's been going on.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:57):
If it's Adam many five that I did, they.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Create that uh ah, a structure of well, you see,
the the thing that I I have told the only
thing is that the man may might have known Oswald.
And then at the same time I had not told
the FBI the secret terms that I had known that
he knew him, and which is true. I mean it
was two minor occasions, but without doubt them the man

(01:13:21):
knew Oswald, and that's far. But there were a white
man who uh they you know, which is true? He
had well, well, so what he'd marry him, he'd run
in through me know him. And that's all. That's that's
all I've been in the comparison. That's all I've given
him so far. But uh, I haven't given him anything
that other people haven't. You see, Yeah, but there's some

(01:13:42):
other that doesn't mean anything. You could have married him
that that doesn't mean a damn thing, you know. Yeah, Uh,
the man was in the city and and uh but uh,
the thing is that uh uh of course this has
been more or less established than he he it's good,
good chance he didn't know him. But there are other

(01:14:03):
things that I could talk about, and I I say,
I could give uh by telling it what I know,
I could give mister Garrison probably ploy his whole investigation,
especially if it would it would naturally would involve one
other person that uh, if their word would probably be
taken far more so than mine, and may they substantiated
that of another person? Would the book come in, I'll

(01:14:24):
have to talk to him. Yet they wouldn't doubly would
do it good? They they'd have three different people. They're
saying the same thing. In other words, h.

Speaker 5 (01:14:34):
Jack, The only thing I can say to you you
have a great propension you forget yourself into trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Well, I'm already in trouble. There's nothing they can say
about me that you have a great propensity for getting
into trouble. I tell you that most of your trouble
comes out of the fact that you play games. I'm
not playing any games. You play games. I'm not playing
games right this minute, you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
Just about the drop out little bits of the truth
and see how much trouble confusion it can cause. Or now,
the only thing I can say to you is, since
you call me yeah, okay, it's about time to just
sit down and stop playing games with what might happen
tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, Because what has always

(01:15:21):
happened to you tomorrow and the day after tomorrow, you've
gotten into trouble. You yourself to your family by telling
ass truths, by thinking that you're smarter than anybody else
about what should be told and shouldn't be told. Now,
for Christe's sake, when are you gonna start to just
telling the whole truth? Because it happens to be the

(01:15:43):
truth as you know it. I think you find out
that you'd be in a lot less trouble than you
you get into the uh pattern of getting all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
Well, uh, that's what's uh what I'm trying to say,
more or less, it's there, that's uh uh. This man
has been bugging me over a period of time. There
for there's film.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Interview, you know, I think I think they're trying to
get at the truth. And if you've got any troop
to tell them teletom, but tell it to them entirely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
The thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
The thing is, if I go ahead and give a
whole picture on this thing, I said, I'm gonna wind
up giving the man what more trouble and novelle ever
gave him in his life. I don't care about it.
Who gets and if I do that, what uh he has?
Since in the last five months, this thing has both
my wife and I financially the only thing that she's

(01:16:35):
gotten now is her job down there, and you may
not have he might retaliate on that. I've got to
have some assurance from some people that that they'll they're
not going to just leave me sitting out there like
a horse debt.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
And it's the whole truth comes out and it makes
this man wrong, then I don't think anybody's gonna have
anything to worry about. But he hasn't got He's the
only thing that has made him strong. There's the backing
he has gotten from people who are more concerned with
with w W with fighting UH, fighting uh, with their

(01:17:12):
hate than they are at getting the truth. And it's
about time that the whole truth came out, and that
the whole truth came out, nobody is going to have
the ability to hurt anybody else all the harm that's
been done and all the people are getting hurt because
of all the games that are being played with lies
and half truths.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
And you know it well.

Speaker 5 (01:17:34):
And the only strength that this man has been has
been the people have been feeding and backing him up
in his eyes and half truth and thence from the
the whole truth is given an opportunity for total projection
but with the the the strength that he has that
is built on on UH.

Speaker 4 (01:17:53):
Well, I'm not trying to be statistic with young Uh.
You know, I was trying to lay on the line
needed your counsel, and I think you're you're telling the
what you what you believe anyway, But about time we
test the value of of of things as they are
of the truth. Well, when they have by all your
little games of the feeding a little bit here and

(01:18:15):
a seeding of the world. No, no, no, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Here's the thing. When I spoke to the secretary, I
never told them memory. I just says that I, uh
what was printed in that damn report and I got
a copy of it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
They didn't verify uh one bit of their synopsis. They
didn't check anything when they just simply verbada printed the
words that David W. Ferry and their synopsis and that
specularly isn't according to Oil as far as the UH
investigation is to be pursued.

Speaker 5 (01:18:47):
And you know it, stop trying to run the world.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
I'm not trying to run the world. But what I'm
trying to say is there's nothing that they could say
about me that hasn't already been said either way, it
doesn't matter. In other words, that we're thinking uh its
be blessed all over the country, just like I was
last uh January.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
But let me say something. I have no curiosity about
this thing. I'm only concerned about the kind of a
power of growth that has protected itself into this community.
And then go and and and I'm not gonna talk
any more about it. You've got your own decision to make.
All I'm saying is, you know you you you have

(01:19:29):
to start philosophy from time to time. But there's some
very fundamental realities about the way things add up when
they come to uh, some ultimate interconclusion. Du for Christ's sake,
if you know anything, tell it, tell it all, and
tell it truthfully. And then whichever w we're more likely

(01:19:52):
to come to an end, result in this thing in
which there won't be people uh unjustly hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
Well, why why give this man the interview and the
eric and will not DoD It'll be uh, it'll be
the beginning of the end of the garrison. It's it's
about what now you don't know whether the beginning or
end of anything. Well, anyway, you're the only question you're
gonna answer why you might get on that thing and
I tell the truth about things? Uh or what you

(01:20:20):
believe to be the truth anyway, would you and be
Garrison jumps on me in retaliation? Will you? Will you
give me some support if it's the truth? Yes, what's
only want to know? It's the truth.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
But stop playing games, Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
I'm not playing games. You think I'm playing games with you? Now?

Speaker 5 (01:20:44):
No, I don't think you are right now but you
but but but do have a tendency to go for
moments of sincerity and the wrong periods of playing games.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
Well, there's no U, no mental gymnastics, no all.

Speaker 5 (01:20:59):
I can tell. And I don't know what it is
you know, and I Do'm not gonna ask.

Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
You what you know?

Speaker 5 (01:21:03):
Whatever it is if you believe it to be the
truth telling alright, I'll talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
Okay, Kallo, is Steve awake? Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:21:44):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Challa?

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Oh wait goodness, I'll call him back a little bit.
I've got to talk to him before he gets away
this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Okay, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
U U and now yeah Steve Bonas area.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
S hellot stage.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
Avestigate programs school. Hello, Hello, hello to state.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
Yeah, Jack?

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
Uh what Rick Tonnley has called me five or six times.
You know he's with W. DSU. Of course, my spy
system tells me they're about ready to do and narrate
at the beginning and the ending of Garrison. What you
alright with me? They've given me a fit too. Uh,
there's some things that I haven't told you that, without doubt,

(01:24:09):
I could give mister Garrison a fit twice as bad
as Mr Novell if it did, I really do a
job man per, I would bring one other person in
on it, and perhaps two. However, that I could probably
wind up by shewing Garrison run up by shooting sewing

(01:24:32):
him sewing sewing, just as Novel did. I didn't realize
you'd go that far with it, and uh uh for novel. However,
if I do this, I don't wanna be standing out
alone like a pimple on a horse tent. You know, Uh,

(01:24:53):
what's your what's your advice on this thing where it
stands out?

Speaker 8 (01:24:57):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
I don't know what uh NBC is gonna do. I
know that they shoot some kind of films documentary.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
Just to winn I there's somebody the son see who
that is? Right? Uh? Well, any anyway anyway. Uh, we
talked about rang and the boy went downstairs. I didn't
hear any answer. You know, the thing is a light chair.

(01:25:25):
I can give 'em a big fit with At the
same time, Garson's gonna retaliate, you know that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:30):
Well, I don't know enough about it. Jack. I'm still
in that damn lawsuit and I'm gonna try some more
or nine dirty. You know, I just don't know what
to tell you to do.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Well, I've got to talk to Rag. I gotta call
him at nine o'clock.

Speaker 8 (01:25:45):
You have to tell me something root more specifically of
what you wanna s what you intend to say, and
whether or not it's uh what you can with that Gas.
It's gonna get uh as.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Far as you being, do they your judgment group is
nothing to get that to worry about?

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
No, what what do you want to do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Garison?

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
Yeah? After all, if he hadn't have started this nonsense
and started leaning after all, in the Yankee, the DA's
officer there leaning on you. You know, Uh, if he
hadn't started all this thing, I would've never they probably
that report would have never been published nationally. He had
never been in the position I am in the day.

Speaker 8 (01:26:24):
Uh, Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
The whole thing would have died a quiet death, as
it was intended to die that way, you know. Uh,
but uh he had to exploit the death as the
president uh apparently and uh started up and naturally they
was released or had been released priven priority his investigation,

(01:26:46):
his initiation of this thing, you know, and uh had
been released prior to the initiation the investigation. Nothing was
ever said if he hadn't started, I've uh I I
never uh been the recipient of uh the publicity I've
had to start with. And so I think that I've
got a a hell of a good deal against him.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
As much as uh my life has been very unpleasant
since then, I think I uh I've got uh just
as mister Novell had. Uh, I've got some uh uh
uh I've got some uh uh right to compensation from
not only Mr Garrison, but also from some of his backers.

(01:27:27):
Inasmuch as this thing is not he's not totally backed
up by state funds, you see, uh huh uh the
state government isn't involved except for his uh the misuse
if his position is a twerk, and I didn't I
didn't realize that, uh you you were not going that
strong or even in defense of NOVAL. You understand, until
this thing was announced last night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Right Jack, listen, I'm gonna have to run on you.
Uh h.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
Well, you think if I come up strong enough it,
NBC will help me out, because without side, this thing
has cost my wife and I everything. He had the
money that we laid away to re redo the house
and we renovate and a little on radio. But I mean, yeah, yeah,

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what I was trying to say is we're We're totally broken.
I'm totally totally relying upon Earth for support HM. And
she's afraid of the fact she may lose her little
job over the thing. HM. And and uh Furthermore, I'm
definitely afraid that if I if I do talk to
these people and bowing a whistle on the man in

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any way shape or for him, he's gonna retaliate. No,
I'll be saying it out all by myself, like a
pimple on a horse.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
That well, No, that was all on himself.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
He's been saying it all over.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Yes, but I mean they've been taking somebody's been taking
care of this boy is not really but he well,
he's not working and he hasn't got that much money.

Speaker 8 (01:28:55):
I mean, uh, he sold his interested in that you're
making village.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
He has no money.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
He didn't know and he was probably he was probably
in debt with Tack and everybody else on that too.
You know, you know how these restaurant people are and
barroom owner hell, I know a whole bunch of them.
You know that they're they're in debt up to their ears.
So uh, on the surface, it makes it look like
they're they're very solid, they have a bunch of assets.
But you know, you know how they do. They're baring

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off the pinball man, the jukebox man, as it turned,
and everybody else. With the liquor people. What's on the
surface isn't necessarily true behind the scenes. And uh in
many respects, I know people that look like that are
making their one hundred dollars a day, uh, and they're
spending it. Uh. Novelle wasn't for he wasn't a frue

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little young man in any respect. Less. Let's face it,
he played and he played big. He's subsidizing other business
interests with his Jamaican in and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
The guy, Uh, he was on the shoe string in
many way as much as I am, but I've been
enduring five months of a lot of crap, and I
got a and the kid.

Speaker 8 (01:30:00):
To alright, what my kid?

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Yeah, that's on a little monsters. Aren't there talking to me?

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
He's sitting here.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Yes, yes, you're looking at another me in other words,
that's the way you feel, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
You could leave it you good, look and see another
you way on back, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:30:24):
Uh, let me let let me put the phone into you.
Just say something so you've never heard the phone before.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
Alright, okay, hello there, Hello there, young clakin. How are
you hello, Dad?

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Episode laughing, looked into the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Yeah, I heard that point. You say something again, Hello, Hello,
how are you? Is it a beautiful morning?

Speaker 8 (01:30:48):
The phone against his here now he loves Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
They go for it to have a hell of a
time keeping them up. Yeah, uh, Steve, what I'm getting
at is uh uh, let mus be on with one another.
I think that NBC might make Uh. I'm gonna ask
Rec to come over to the house this morning. He
asked me to call him for sure at nine o'clock
this morning, which I intend to do. He give me
his hotline number, and I like to sit down and

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talk with the boy off the damn record where he
can't prove pro or con you understand huh about our interview,
and then I have a chance to talk with you
in person. Uh and uh before I do anything. But
I wanna see what they're gonna do for Jack. Well,
I'm blad uh if they'll uh, if they are willing

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to come up with a little bit uh uh as
I'm I'm certain they've done with others and then made
me back me up, and they guarantee that they will
back me up in the event there's retaliation on me. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:31:48):
I'm willing to Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
I'm willing to go along with him, but I'm so
broken now that if I get hit anyway, I'll never
be able to defend myself. I've got nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:32:00):
I understand. I don't know if NBC is paying any
money on this stuff because I don't know what they're
doing there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Tilt they know his ovail co. Yeah, but uh, I'll
be uh. I know what big man's in town. Oh
that's good, so uh we got me a sorry right here.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Well, I I talked darn Clone this morning prior to
talking with you, and he said that he he uh
if I would talk with him and tell the truth
and so on and so forth. As out of it,
you know, uh, the dollar was done. Uh that I
wouldn't be standing alone as far as he was concerned,
you see, And I I didn't mention your name at all.

(01:32:43):
I thought it'd be best to talk to talk with
you and see what your thoughts would the matter are?
And I'm gonna call Tentatively, I'm gonna call Rick and
ask him to come over with the house and chat
with him, and then I'll try to see you some
time to see him. Okay, what what time were you
been here on fire? About modifire? M right farther, Paul,
or about chat with you in person, and I'll tell

(01:33:05):
you what happened in detail? Would you entertained such a thing?
I mean, if our protein we can see exactly where
we stand, all right, premature to make.

Speaker 5 (01:33:16):
A decision, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
End of conversation with mister Stephen Plotkin. End of conversation
with mister Stephen Plotkin, Attorney at law and mister Aaron M.
Cone of the Metropolitan Crime Commission, this Thursday morning, between

(01:33:47):
the hours of seven and eight May the twenty fifth,
nineteen sixty seven. This is the onset of an investigation.
M do we expose those who would defame a state
investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy in the transmission?

(01:34:20):
Uh uh uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Uh uh uh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Uh uh I the one of the answer. That's what good?

(01:35:36):
Body that flo Yes, mister Rick Tommy in the newsroom, please, ma'am,
huh hello us is Rick had? No, he hasn't come in.

(01:35:57):
I tried to call him on that hotline phone. You
got it off to look apparently the line phone. Yeah,
that five two three five o three three line.

Speaker 8 (01:36:07):
Let me see, I have to check on him.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
They just out of order or what he's wrong?

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Yeah? Uh Win'll he be in? Son? He told me
to call him around nine this morning?

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Well, I really don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
I don't keep track of him, but.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
You work there. Yeah, Well is that plane or somebody
in that could give me some information on ram here? Right?
Hello Burn? Yeah, it's Jack Martin Burn. When when will

(01:36:41):
Rick be in? Oh? He told me to call him
around nine this morning? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:36:47):
Uh, well, he should be in any minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
I just walked in myself. Oh I see, well I'm
just a little premature. Yeah, I tried to call him
a five two three five O three three number and
it was busy right, Well, yeah, I know about it
that I expect you'll be in any minute.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
You would like to leave your number and have him call.

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
You or knows my number? I prefer to call you ma, alright, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
Try to give up.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
Thank you? Uh uh uh m hm h yeah, yeah,

(01:37:47):
it's we're currently in their place.

Speaker 2 (01:37:49):
No, Rick, let me catch.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Y.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
You know where is he? He's out?

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
You know how to get in touch.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Well, he told me to call him around nine this morning,
which I'm trying to do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Uh huh and uh uh.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
My name is Martin, and if he calls me back,
I may not beat her.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Well god h he's out working on someting especially not.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
I just don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
Well, he pursued me for several days and then uh
uh he said call him around nine nine thirty this morning,
which I'm doing. Yeah. No, I like some kind of
an idea when he returned her when you expect him
you you you almost know what about when he should
be there?

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Oh no, we don't, cause he's working on a special deal.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
MS mart is there any place that he could reach you?
In case we could do.

Speaker 4 (01:38:59):
You'll talk to me at my convenience. I'll be very
explicit about it. And he watch me. He's chasing me,
and you know, if he'll deal with me on my terms,
I wanna chat with him in person. I wanna initially
talk to him on the phone. And don't play chess
with me, Derek.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
If I'm not playing chess with you, I'm telling you
we don't know where the guy is well, and now
I'm make every of.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
It to get into I appreciate him. Would you tell
him to k to make himself available, and if he's
not at the office, I'm please leave a number where
I can reach him, because I've gotta uh. He mentioned
that his schedule will be very proud of the day,
and mine is too. Now, I mean, believe me, it is,
and I'm I'm trying to bend over backwards to go
out perate with his boy and I want to. I

(01:39:40):
wanna help him, you know, you understand, and but I
at the same time, and I can't follow up my
whole my whole day.

Speaker 8 (01:39:46):
And if we can get in touch with him, we
will have a message here as to.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
I'd appreciate it, pray very much, and I'm sorry anybody
seem a little antagonistic to you. Oh exactly, because I'm
I'm a meat old guy and me thinking uh uh

(01:40:18):
uh uh uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Uh, i'd uh.

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
Yeah, I saw mister Rick donnaling and news pleased. Yeah, yeah,
I'm Mr Rick Donally pleased. Uh it's not here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
You be it about new you be it about none.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
Yeah. Well fine, Well that release all frustration. Then I'm
sorry about it. That's on, man Martin. I had to
go out, and there's only certain times I can talk
at the house, you know, okay because of my family,
and I was kind of upset I couldn't reach him
this morning. I told him I try to reach him
about nine in the morning, you know, alright, then, uh

(01:41:17):
he'll be in about noon then, uh alright, well tell
him I call, Will you be sure and do that? Well,
that old man Martin called him and it was about
this thing tonight. I want to chat with him first,
you know. My fine said, thank you very kind of.

(01:41:42):
I've been talking. Yeah, I've been on the fire right,
you've been off.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
No, I've done working on the Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
Well, what I like to chat with you? Yeah? Uh
in person? Impossible? Alright. Uh, I don't know I don't
either way I go on this thing or they they
can't say anything about me that hasn't already been set. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Uh so one of the best thing is just to
sit down and I tell you know what you know
about you know, well through the fifty tree anything.

Speaker 4 (01:42:18):
Well, wait went out, we'll look reckon if it's there's
a lot more to the thing. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
We don't wanna get in all the side issues of
what you know about the case or no, and all
this stuff you know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
H evident in the case.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Well, uh, the only thing is there's a lot more
to it than than you know. Yeah. Uh uh. Why
why I sit down and talk with you? Uh? It
depends what you want. Yeah, and uh, I don't wanna
be sitting out like a tiple on a horse dead. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Well, I'm be glad to talk to you. Uh, I've
I wanna have a a I've got to leave town
for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
I was afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
I'd probably gonna be back about seven thirty as yoursel
So once we said this has been.

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Well, you have to say a clot Well, I'd like
to try and chat with you thenrs that I can
remember my wife and kid and hear the part of
the house and and I can sit here at chat. Yeah. Uh,
i'd wanna talk to you here a the as before
we got together at the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Care Well, we don't wanna do it at the studio anyway,
I'd rather anything in this case. Uh, I'd rather do
it outside the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:43:27):
Take you well to do it. The hotel room was alright, Well,
if here's a here's here's a thing. Uh, I'll be
perfectly frank with you. I could. I can do a
hell of a lot more than Gordon o'val's doing. I can.
I could probably prove everything Gordon Oval says and give
the man a ship fit. But I I talked Aaron
coll this morning early. Yeah. I was counting on speaking
to you at nine. So yeah, and unfortunately that didn't

(01:43:49):
work out. Yeah, And I spoke to Stephen Plott in
this morning before I left the house. Yeah, And uh,
I don't know what you spoke to any body since
then or not. No, I haven't. But uh, I could
probably bring uh several people you know in this thing
besides myself to some statuate what I say. You understand me?

Speaker 2 (01:44:12):
Yeah, Well, I don't know specific what area, but I
think probably in your your point of view, and in
regard to you, anything we wanted, cause we're trying to
piece the thing together going back to how it all
started and what you know and where it has led.
I think since you were in on the initial things
back in sixty three, that's mostly the area than anything

(01:44:33):
that you might have to add to that in terms
of what wasn't happening for.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
Was not necessarily you're not recursy thing or what I'm
uh uh, I think you will perceive what I'm getting
out of here. Uh I could blow I could blow
the I could blow Garson's whole case up right now. Yeah,
I don't know whether you knew that or done. I
could do ten times you might the damage that uh
god well then or as wor as doing it. And

(01:44:58):
that's what I was talking to Steve about following us
for the suit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Uh uh I don't We don't wanna get off into
the various theories.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
There's no theory involved here. It's what actually uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
No, I'm telling you about it now. It's whether he's uh,
you know, get into the CIA and.

Speaker 5 (01:45:12):
All that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
We definitely oh no, I I even I don't even
talk about CIA.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
Well that's what the hell are they got to do
with it? Really, what we're interested in? What is the
main trust of our program?

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
Well, anything, any any connection I might have had with
CIA or the Kilbans. Uh, it's irrelative or irrelevant the
material to what I have to say, you understand.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Mainly what you have to say.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Uh, anything I had to do with the Kilvans is
between myself and the United States government and Jesus Christ
right right, and uh, Christ ain't gonna say a word.
And I'm sure the United States Government are gonna say
any good cure I know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
And and that's why I say, we the rest of
your mind. On that score, we don't even want We're
not even concerned about that. Mainly, we're concerned about the
malidity of this investigation.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Well, uh, what a what a When do.

Speaker 4 (01:45:54):
We can blow out all the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Are you interested?

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Well? I yah, I don't know what way you're talking about.
It really hard to talking.

Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Yeah. And also on the telephone, it's a bad it's
a bad betch you know, right, I'm reasonably certain that
my phone is not tapped for the simple reason I
have it. Every morning I call a phone company and
they put the meter on. Yeah. And then if you notice,
I play my radio in the background, and if it
is tapped, they're having a crap fit. And I'll believe
what I tell you. Uh. And another thing is I

(01:46:26):
usually turn on WTIX every night, taken dial four or
five some number on the phone, and I lay my
receiver next to the radio and it plays all night
and they have to listen to about twelve hours of
music m for a bad Yeah, that's right. That's why
I put it. I I put it on it all uh,
on one of these all nine stations. And if anybody's
tapping that phone, they gotta listen to all that tape. Yeah.

(01:46:48):
And I think they gave up on it if they
were I dot that yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:51):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
I know I haven't got anything any of this uh
focus pocus stuff about CIA. And we know that's uh
uh anything I might've had, any connections with Banister or
I might have had with the Cubans and with Grady
Durham and the rest of the fellows, it's irrelevant in
material I mean us dedicated. Well, it's uh, it's Garrison's

(01:47:17):
Garrison's treat you see. But here's what I could I
could tell you how the whole thing developed, right Uh
and uh uh a little assistant in this motivation, and
I could virtually substantiate what I have to say with
cooperative testimony right now, Tom, I'll lay it right on
the line wreck.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
If I do this, Garrison's gonna retaliate on me. And
I wanted assurance from Corn this morning, which he gave
me that I wouldn't be sitting out there like a
saw thomb and uh what defenseless Now I've been I've
been broken financially on this, this whole thing in the
past five or six months anyway, And Uh I spoke

(01:47:55):
to Steve and told him we go ahead with this thing. Well,
I want him to back me up a lawsuit and
a and an injunction against Garrison to keep him from
messing with me, right or my family right and the
same talking. Uh, I think that uh you like you
you like, give you the story on this thing, uh,
the whole picture on it verbally before we we cut
the hull. Yeah, oh right, uh before we cut the

(01:48:17):
uh uh the uh uh picture you know right. Uh,
I want some massures from your people that uh you
take care of a little little jack too, you know. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
In what way, we gotta be very careful. Well, you know,
h you know, if you wanna cooperate with us, the
best to take.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Well, here's another thing. Say, uh, well, I know, let's
not get each other's like I told him Steve this morning.
He said, well, I'm not sure NBC will go behind you.
I says, well, don't ship me. I know that the
Jamaica in I know, uh, Gordon was uh, he was
not solvent. He was in hock uh up to his
neck on that thing with the the jukebox people and
some other people. And I said, I know who's carrying him.

(01:49:02):
I said, let's let's let's let's not let let's drop
the night air. I'm not as naive as you take
me to be. Uh. I know some things you don't Steve.
And I said, there's a lot about this I haven't
told you. And so I'm gonna meet with Steve about
five o'clock this evening and discuss this whole thing with
him any personally in these office you understand. And uh,
of course that's got nothing to do with you and I,

(01:49:23):
but I want him to know what I'm up to.
At least I'm honest with my lawyer. And uh, the
thing is that I have suffered financially. This man jumps
down my throat. I got no money for pale bonds
or anything else. And uh, I'm sure that I could
jack and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
I think it may start help, but they're not gonna
get themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
It looks like, well I can back all this stuff
up him. You know no, but here's here's a look. Look, Uh,
let's not be sophistical with one another. We do pnd
US with things together. Let's land on the linement. I'll
tell you this much. There's nothing I can't collaborate on
this thing, and I'm willing to back it up with
polograph just like your boy Noval Dad say.

Speaker 2 (01:50:10):
Well, they're not gonna they're not gonna to pay for information.
But I think the fact that you that you corroborate
with them is gonna make them, uh want to try
to prevent you to be harassed.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
You know what a way they can't. Well, if you
think if you think you guys are are failing or
any of these people have uh have uh uh had something?
Uh by the time I got through with you, though
you got some, there won't be any horseshit.

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
Well, so we're not talking to back, and why don't
we get together person to person.

Speaker 4 (01:50:38):
That's right, sit down in the living room, you're saying. No,
here's another thing I want to apologize for as the
house here, I had been in the in the throes
of renovation here at the house, uh about the time
this thing hit last the summer, and uh, pardon me,
we had some money aside for paint and things like that,
and uh, I never got the opportunity to complete living

(01:51:00):
room and refinish the furniture and the upholstery and all that.
So if you walk into a place that looks uh,
you see plaster patches and it, don't be surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
You know, do you think do you think as a
matter of mutual I'd try to I'd try to meet
here at the house.

Speaker 4 (01:51:15):
I'd try to meet here at the house for the
simple damn reason there's no chance of any bugs or
anything like that. Wow, I'm literally you all that. Well, well,
you're you're, you're, you're perfectly welcome to bring a bugger
around if you want to or inspite the place that
your leisure.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
No, I don't do that, because, uh, you know, I
could prout you.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
Just that's right. You can you can? You can? You can?
You can have an FM mic in your sock. You
know that's the best place to carry it. I know this. Uh,
and you'll be picking me up when a when a
receiver in the car and putting it on tape or
you could you could if if I met you in
your car and could be bug you know. I mean,
I'm real half dad uh on this. Uh, I'm not

(01:52:01):
a uh Marriam was wrong. I'm not a wired wire
tap expert. But I'm happy enough to it. And I
know what some of the ramifications. I'm not gonna pull
any I'm not gonna pull any any cramp on you. Fella.
Isn't it the same talking? I don't want you to Uh,
I'm laying it on the line. You know this is
this istically on the level. But this thing is gone
far enough and uh uh I wanna sit down and

(01:52:26):
talk talk turkey, you know, And I think we should.
I think we should. And then uh, I think you'll
see the whole the whole picture by the time I'm
sure the same need It'll take me about twenty minutes
to day exactly what happened in the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
Okay, with your name the time, I'll either we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:52:41):
Say uh or about eight o'clock. Wouldn't that be alright?

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
Well? Uh uh you mean I'll say we I wanna
try to you to tell me tonight, Jack. We only
cause we we're on a tight uh tight schedule at
these people that are gonna do tell me got at
an any time of the morning. We meet this afternoon
and discuss the ground rules on it, man, and set
our our feeling for tonight at eight. Oh, let's do
it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:53:04):
And if well, you see, here's the thing right to
Wayne going out leaving the house here till I could
reach you today.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Yeah, and uh I was not Now I don't want
uh I because of the time. Probably I don't wanna
have a discussion tonight and then sort another filmy. I'd
like to go ahead and get the whole thing out
of the way.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
Well, I want a clerk out understanding with you guys.
What you're gonna do to help me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
Oh well, uh, here's and I wanna sit down. What
are you gonna talk about it? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Just uh I?

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
I uh I was We're gonna do the filming. No,
I've got to I've got to make preparations on that,
and and I was gonna understand we're gonna go ahead
and do this tutch to do Themay day. I'm trying
to set my schedule around. Yeah, we could talk in advance.
Uh and of course uh uh now we could be
set to go ahead and to you know, do the

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emmy tonight. Uh as if you're tied up this afternoon, well.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
I said, see I uh I I went around. It
was you weren't there at nine. It damn fire, I
realize that, uh what happened? And uh uh uh you
called just now? You see him right? And uh, well,
so I understand I got some stuff I have to
do this afternoon and I have to uh Steve told
me to see him.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Well, I definitely wanna get it go ahead. If we
wanna film, I wanna go ahead to it tonight. That's
that's the main thing. And we can set the filming
for a little later if you wanna do that. Uh say,
set the filming at nine or or nine thirty and
then uh uh I'll come to your house and talk
to you and then at at uh we go.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
See after I talk with you, I wanna talk with
Steve again. See and I've got to see him, and
then I got to talk with you. I gotta I
wanna talk with him too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Well it sounds like an extended that's the hell of it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
See, and I and Steve. I haven't been able to
get with Steve. I haven't been able to get with
Steve now for three days. He's been tying up in
something a lot of suit and cart You know that,
don't you? And and uh and and and it's been
like pulling teeth. If I hadn't caught him in his
house and then he didn't have any time to talk
to me, then yeah, and uh, all I could do
is give him a rough synopsis, you know, I d
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Want to elongate you say, cause if you're if you
definitely feel your life, I'll go with you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:14):
I'll go with you, but it may be in the
morning before we can get around to it. See, that's
what I was gonna say. God damn it. And these
people are gonna leave. What's a hell of a mess,
you know?

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Yeah, yeah, away, Uh, if you wanna do this? Who
we who were? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
It?

Speaker 4 (01:55:28):
This work? Is?

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
I I think you. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
The the NBC people are are are here at the
other one that take you're I talk turkey with his wild.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
So uh, I'll talk turkey with you and you and
you take care of it to them if they want it.
If they want it, uh, we'll have a clean cut
understanding at Arland interviewing this afternoon or this evening. And
if they want it, fine, if not, if they don't
want it, to hold him. But I I wanna talk
to one person. Yeah, I wanna talk to one person
in town, tell them one person. When I got to say,

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that's you, right, I don't wanna have to repeat my
story or I don't wanna have to tell this thing
in front of witnesses.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Right right, well, alright now, uh.

Speaker 4 (01:56:06):
I r I And if I tell you something, if
I tell you something that your wordy gets mine to night,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
But now here's a here's the thing. And I I
wanna say if we meet today to Park, I say,
I I still want to be able to work get
the filma done to night, so I can't just keep
stretching and keep up this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
It's right. Well, when you got when you when you
when when you hear what I got to say, I
t I don't think there'll be any question with what
they'll have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
Yeah, alright, and and I'm I I'll go on that presumption.
But I still because any ways possible, I'd like to
go out to the filmy to night that we right.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
I tell you when I got through talking with you,
I'm I'm reasonably certain that uh uh, if they have to,
they'll be willing to wait a couple of days the
guy you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Oh th that that may be true, But at this point,
what I'm doing is keeping your whole.

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
Film, cause I'm gonna have to get on the phone
and call along distance to one guy that I know of.
I'm gonna have to reach him and he'll have to
call me back, and I'm gonna have to I'm gonna
have to discuss this with him, uh to get him
to cooperate with you fellas, which I know he'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Yeah. Well, because at all, I all, all the.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Shit's gonna come back on my back. You understand it
ain't gonna come on his back.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
Well, what what's the point is the we at this point, well,
the limited what we want. You know, I may change
my mind after a.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
Top You're good, Uh, I told you I was gonna
blow the man, it's for a chase, didn't I yeah,
I'm not kidding with you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Well, hm, we're still start talking back. I let's do
it this way.

Speaker 4 (01:57:37):
I've got to talk to you in person.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
Yeah, alright, let's do it this way.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
And and as far as bugs are concerned, I'm as
larry as you are. You know, right, let let's do
it this way.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
I will, I'll come to I'm gonna have a I'm
gonna have my fumblies. I've got to get I can't
keep man this come and task him out to keep
these people sitting here. Uh, let's design this one a
good one. And uh, I'm gonna I'll.

Speaker 4 (01:58:02):
Tell you what you can call it when you're when
when you're through with me and the people I can
bring in on this thing, you can call it the
end the Garrison. It'll be it too.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
But I still want to try. My perpetuity won't be
worth a plug nickel.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
After I'm through, of course, you guys are gonna give
it me, give it to me in the neck anyway.
I'm gonna be the shadow in the background, whether it's
on film or it'll be both film and narration. But
so I don't I don't give a ship what you've
been said about me and what public opinion is, and
he has already been established as not a hell of
a lot more than you can do. But when I'm
through it need to wash the whole goddamn case up.

(01:58:37):
When I get through talking to you, Dad, it'll be
uh uh, you'll you'll be willing to break your broadcast
and then put it on. You know these proble features
the bust, you know these special bulletins. Well, I'll tell you,
I mean you think that Gordon will value you some ship?
When I get through, it'll blow a whole goddamn deal.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
When I look, let's let's do it this way, me
with you myself, all right, I'll let you make follow
the phone calls.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
You wanna make it?

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
What have you? I wanna keep that film if you're
standing by the film tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:59:09):
Well you see, I have to get a hold of
a man's ex wife here to find out where he is,
and she's gonna have to call him and he's gonna
have to call me back.

Speaker 1 (01:59:18):
L D.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
Can't you do this uh in advance?

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
Uh, it's almost impossible. It's almost to It'll be impossible
until I talk with you and we have some kind
of an understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Oh I don't. I can't make an understanding with you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
Well, I said, you're gonna then have to talk to
the to the to the NBC people. And I happen
to know that the big man's in town right now,
so that isn't gonna be too difficult for you. I
don't know word you talk to him and you go
to him in person and tell him the deal, and uh,
uh I know it. And you know that they stay

(01:59:50):
in the Royal Orleans. I imagine that's where marry him
staying and the rest of the fella's stay that uh
come in there from NBC and uh, in fact, that's
where they trying to get me to film spit before it.
So I imagine, I'm just this is just conclusion with me.
It's can you know? So I I imagine, Uh, you're
not gonna have to run very far. And the taxi
cabs are pretty smooth nowadays. They they get you there

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and hurry out.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
I still wanna try to set it up to do
it tonight if we go, you know, and I'll be
able to.

Speaker 5 (02:00:16):
Tell you at the end of parts.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
Get whether wh have we got anything to talk about
or not. Well, I know you got it, yeah, and
uh uh but I still wanna keep that who standing
by them? I don't care if it's the late eleven o'clock.

Speaker 4 (02:00:27):
You know you're never get older. Guy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
Sorry, but I don't know after I talk to you
about it, whether it would sometimes.

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
Uh, I got plenty to talk about that. Huh, and
I think you'll agree with it's alright.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
Uh uh, let's do this then.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Uh. Why don't you give me a buzz at eight
o'clock and confirm that You tell me you're on your way. Confirmed,
I'll be there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
You just tell me where to be in our farm.
Make sure I'm back in time less unless something happens
in my flight back or something like that, then.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
I then I'll alright if you're gonna uh, but.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
It is definitely at this point. Well, uh, I want
to call and UH can't get you in where who's
in half a night there?

Speaker 4 (02:01:06):
No, I'll be here, My wife, my kid and I
will be here this evening all right, eight pm? At
what eighteen thirty six and a half esplanade Eighteen thirty
six and a half Esplanade. It's a bigger white house
in the corner of Esplanade and North Prayer the apartment
or well it's uh, I have a whole upstairs of

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the house over the Merino cleaning shop. There's a little
Marino cleaners in the corner. It's a big white house
in the corner and North Prayer and Esplanade right and uh,
you'll see the entrance to the cleaning shop. And then
on the other side of the front of the house
there's a there's a there's an interest to a side apartment. Uh,
the people that live downstairs. My interest is in the

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center and it's a kind of a little alcohol there.
And when there's a door there and you ring the
damn doorbell, if you don't see a light, did not
haul downstairs is because one of the lights is burnt out.
I have to come downstairs to turn it on. And
the reason I don't necessarily do that is because the
downstairs hasn't been re redonde yet. I have to favorite

(02:02:13):
pull thinking that a chest the flash or not or yet?

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
Right, I will see there are any frock then and
we'll talk in the.

Speaker 4 (02:02:19):
Right bring the doorbell and I'll i'll the chair, or
we'll come up here and you sit in my living
room and uh, Uh, we'll have a chat, all right, Okay,
I'll see that. Okay, all right, why de find that?

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
What?

Speaker 4 (02:02:31):
Alright, A little conversation recorded the call back and he
called me Rick tom Ray with w ds U m
DC to proximately eleven uh twenth eleven forty in the morning.

(02:02:56):
Me twenty fifth nighteen sixty seven. Yeh yeah. This Uh,

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this is conclusion on the current tape uh being conducted
interview with mister Lewis Ivan Detective Lewis ivon Always Police
Department assigned the DA's office. The speaker is Jack Martin.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:03:38):
This information here is uh to substantiate, uh the the
fact that various people connected with the Garrison Prome are
being bought off by NBC. You hear that are being
bought off by NBC or other other persons involved. Uh,

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and they're there's been some is to collaborate this fact.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:04:03):
When mister Rick Connelly calls at my house this evening,
I intend to hang a story on him, a figment
of imagination, uh with uh several half truths in it
that uh he'll believe what I have to say to
see whether or not they'll buy or pay money or
make promises uh uh for some type of uh something

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in compensation for this. And this is strictly an investigation
to prove for mister Garrison and the court of people
that uh, what he's doing is uh is absolutely right,
and that these other people are trying to influence an
impair impede a legitimate and legal investigation. Anything I say

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to mister Tarley can be taken with a grain of salt,
because this is strictly a story that I'll have to
hang on him, and this will be transcribed or we
will uttempt to transcribe this on a tape which will
be planted any coach in my living room at the
time he visits me at eight o'clock this evening. Is

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that sufficient very well?