August 19, 2024 • 36 mins
Testimony from an FBI agent in the New Orleans office talking about telex received indicating a threat to JFK in Dallas and also Oswald files in the New Orleans office of the FBI.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you alright?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
US used to go to the house about reservatives.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Bill Walter E Carolee investigator, mister Rose, I wonder if
you would kill her so issues without down nine therefore, UH, when.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
If you go this year personal history? And my third
name is William S. Walter spelling her last names w
alt r. My day of verses three.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Nine thirty two.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I was born in uh Efstingham, Illinois.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
UH.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was improved by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in
the New Orleans office from approximately June of nineteen sixty
one until July nineteen sixty five. My UH areas of
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responsibility at the Bureau my more clerical in nature. I
was a US five security clerk working the twelve fifteen
midnight until eight fifteen in the morning shift. I was
the only employee on duty at the New Orleans office
for UH that a period of time. UH attended Tulane
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University in the daytime, and it was not uncommon for
the Bureau field officers to have a mature college student
working full time for the Bureau AUH and being the
only employee on duty. UH in the areas of specific
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responsibilities at night were to handle all of incoming and
outgoing communications and to note by supervisors.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
UH depending upon the.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Violation or the nature of the incoming UH communication. And
I was to notify the supervisors UH if action UH
I felt U action was necessary.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
During the UH night time in early morning hours.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
UH in that capacity of having incoming communications. Did you
when you were or was seventeen eighteen sixty three receive communications? Friend?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Who Yeah, I get group?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, it was a UH A Sunday, I was again
the only employee on duty.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Received a conference teletype UH originating from UH Washington UH
and directed as conference to all sacs, meaning all special
agent charges of all officers a deed.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
At this particular teletype UH, as I recalled, came in
to the New Orleans office, was received at the scene
the time by the Memphis office, Dallas office Mobile office,
and and UH the teletype was UH directed to our
office sort of as a UH movement teletype, indicating that
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President Kennedy was UH being was going to be traveling
to t to Dallas, and that the information had been
received somewhere within the bureau that UH that would be
possible in an attempt to assassinate him. UH during some
time during the trip to Dallas. It was asking the
it was me the teletype. UH requested that all field
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officers and received that cell type to contact informans of
their nature and other to determine if any additional information
could be developed as it as any basis sort of
such a threat being made. I received the teletype go
on the seventeenth, and then took the UH the information
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checked our indecease files. UH contacted the supervisors in charge
of those kinds of cases where if I was instructed
to contact UH aged personnel, and I so noted on
the teletype you recalled he, I'd remember give me in
the woods.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Did you contact with UH?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I recall some of the wall Ernest Wall uh cacked,
Milton Cact, uh Hermann Bogan UH person uh H G
Manor was a special agent in charge. He was contacted
UH Gilmore I believed was contacted. Did you called inch
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Shac personally? Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I full that in fun and you remember the contact
so the telecape twit, Yes, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
UH you remember what he was?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
True action was now it wasn't an alarming.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Kind of situation. I yes.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
In the matter of UH.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
For three years I worked at the Hero I must
have woken the sack up, uh you know, awakened him
maybe a hundred times of what would I considered much
more serious uh teletypers than than this one. This one,
to me was just uh information, See what you had
in your field office concerning them, I'd see. But what
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did you do? Actors? Did you?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Finally he had teletone, but it was a procedure that
you would uh check the indicies determined it whether or
not there was a file, oh but at that time,
and if it was, you would uh match the teletype.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
With the file and attach it to the cover of
the of the file, and then you would route that
or close it on the desk of the supervisor that
handled those matters. And supervisor in the morning would expect
to have any of those kind of communications that came
in during the night to be on his desk for
his uh. Finally, uh proceed using me write route one
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copy to the agents that's had the kind of case
of signed. In this case, there was no other information
uh about uh with that caption, so that would be
a new case. And so the teletype itself was placed
on uh the SAC's desk the following morning with uh
any other information that came in during that night.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Did you have occasion to uh speak with the little
special agent and charge or in the agents and uh
you determine work response and you would.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
To this took through telegrason. Now, Uh, that ring the
teletype we just placed on the desk with the notations
of who I called, the times I called 'em, and
those types of instructions for internal in front of you're
going to uh coop uh continuation of elists H when.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Mr Weller's uh cause you have occasion to observe a
similar time of uh teleoton and a similar.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Information of a lady did he loved? So? Who was
I'm a fellow your questions?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
He received this pick dear teletype in certain teams. Correct, Well,
let's move to where it was the twenty second and
missed the teacher received any similar tynestime, No.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I didn't. Uh there's a couple of things happened on
in the twenty seconds and maybe of entrance. First of all,
when Kennedy was shot.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I didn't work that day. It was my normal day
off or night off.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And uh my wife at that time was a stenographer,
so she worked days. That was when Kennedy was shot.
I went to the office, Uh sisters or I was
in that bunch with my wife anyway, just came out
of barbershop. So UH when I got there the office
talk was uh to you know, UH, I wonder if
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anybody in the New Orleans area had actually killed the
president or or what what happened to the teletype?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
What was taken?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Was there any positive information to develop the week previous
or four days previous to uh indicate that maybe somebody
or people involved in the New Orleans area had done
the done the killing. And then it was almost lit
instantaneous that uh H. The information came down to the news,
new media and to the bureau's offices that Oswall was
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the person that was being accused of the assassination and
that he was in, you know, in the New Orleans
area for a long time, and there were a lot
of and there was talk around the office of who
knew him and what relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Be had with a bureau Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The there was a teletype that came in on the
afternoon of twenty second, uh asking the field officers to
determine if there was any leaves or develop any any
circumstances that would indicate that there was a some sort
of conspiracy and it's this teletype was in somewhat the
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same form as the teletype. He came down on the
seventeenth and she.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Did Julie J.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Perry her check. He finds to determine with any response
to moved given to tell the seventeenth.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, the file was Uh course the indos's car would
indicate what file. I went in and there was two
or three of us. Uh, there were those friends there
that weren't aged personnel that went back to poor the
sixty two days zero a file that the teletype indicator
was there and the and the copy was there. Uh.
There were no h related documents as to whether or
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not there was any contact with anyone or the infilment
uh contact sheets who were not there and probably wouldn't
have been there. And I uh don't recall see where
or looking for 'em or even discussing anymore where the
teletracts was there assigned a serial number and a page
number in that sixty two gass zero file, which was
sort of a catch all kind of information. Fiel. Uh.
(10:27):
It probably looking you know, hindsight, it probably should have.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Been in an eighty nine zero file, which.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Was streup to together in one of those disputes. I
think the girl said, well, usual all about that, because
h if he saw the teletype the day of assassination
really came in on the seventeenth, then it would have
been in an eighty nine file and not a sixty
two file. Well, you know, and I know what I know,
and I know what I saw, uh. And when I've
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had an opportunity to look at some of the documents
that that could have been released uh by the bureau
under the flot Uh, there were a lot of documents
in sixty two zero file uh that were related to
the Kennedy assassination. So I don't know how they rushed that.
I explained that uh their defenses that didn't filed that
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copies shouldn't have been in that file. Make a long
story short, like I went back uh the following evening,
and course at that time they had actually opened an
assassination file.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
UH went back and the copy was out of.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
The sixty two D zero file, which was not uncompany.
It would be transferred them to go over the case file.
And I never saw it in the case file. So
I assumed that the back then, there was documents all
over the office. There were squads of agents dealing with
different aspects of the case, and it would take some
time for all that paper to get caught up and
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actually get put in the file. Or some cases, they
if it was a fast moving kind of case, they
might have a inch thick material on top of the
file that would eventually be filed by a clerical employee
accruing to the dates and times at the information where
you see would be assigned a page number, uh in
that file. So I was and didn't alarm me that
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when the next night erse uh I I had worked
two extra days and worked long hours. We sent teletypes uh,
as I recall. One of 'em was maybe fifty page
conference teletypes that a lot of us had. The clerical
people had time to sit around and discuss what this
was gonna mean to the country, what it was gonna
mean to the higher office, uh, you know, prewerd responsibility
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for osborn. So there was a lot of stuttered but
in the office about UH wonder what happened to the
teletype though I'm sure it's over here. I wonder if
anything was developed.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I wonder where, uh where.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
The agents contacted work informants, you know, Uh, I wonder
about the the fact that Oswell had a security index
number which would indicate that he was also an informant,
had uh had been contacted by the bureau, And as
far as the new MS office was concerned, he had
and in film as status with our office, and the
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agency contacted him.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
As I recalled it were.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
More than one and uh so there was a lot
more of talk going on in the office about what
it was gonna mean. You see when did you hear vacasion?
You see this uh original? Uh? Well, the teletype it
was seventeenth th Q. When did you see the uh
document on the seventeenth?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Again? The teleson to Q was.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Seventeen When did you see this?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Tell the type of you?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh? The last time I saw that teletype and official
bureau capacity was on the afternoon of the twenty second,
uh after the assassination, And that was when I located
it in the sixty two days zero father, just out
of curiosity to see, uh see whether or not anybody
had developed any information of the conspiracy nature I.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
See, uh did you make a copy of that telespon?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I took some very good notes and UH have access
to some some copies of copies of copies of always
astray on the word as a copy. An original copy
of the Teletype was a two copy machine because we
had xerox machines there too. So I don't I don't
know get a specific to what it is that I Uh.
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I am able to remember in detail what the teletype says,
but I I can, I can provide you with notes
of copies that UH that would tell you what the
teletype is said. And in the previous conversation, you know,
I had really huge d orders UH were in the.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
King that you had a copy of the teletype.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Richtine that was sette of current. Will let me go
a game.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
What is a copy?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I have copies of what copies? As you explained to well,
I'm concerned about with runner or not. Uh. I've been
threatened by Mr Adam the FBI previously when I made
this information available back in nineteen sixties ricks as to
whether or not I was UH had in my possession
the government documents, and there was UH technicality is what
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the government docu whether or not I had copied notes
from original documents, or whetheror not I had a xerox
copy of an original document, or whether or not I
had original document without you know, without discussing it with
my attorney, I could put would not wanna put it
on tape.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Any information is to have whether as to whether or
not I have you notes, copies or originals of of
copies like you student case, most those maybe unique which
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to others leased give me moved to based do the
loud issue, loose the p wop to.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Any document documents you might have protaining to this, and
tell depending.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
On the seventeenth Uh, would you respond to yes, yes,
I uh put you in to keep too little disturn
for them a big company. I know this is you know,
playing the work. But I uh, you know I had
some documents, some of 'em I had a right to have.
Some of 'em I got in a sort of information
of my Freedom Instormation file. Some of them I took
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notes of documents some of them might uh. I know
there's some areas where there are copies can be obtained.
So anything that I would know about the incident of
Kenny assassination, including ours of that, including bureau uh bureau procedures,
if I would be asked under under oath and an
official capacity. I would be more than that. People would
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give 'em everything I have. I said, I now of
us go on to UH. The second is sure. I'd
like to discuss in their look further on. UH. Oswald
was a little important pip you UH a light little
leve issue in and how you came about the information. UH.
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I don't remember the exact sequence of events, and I
don't UH. I'm sure that I don't get tied down
because I did UH submit an interview to an interview
in sixty seven UH the CBS, and I have a
transcript for that. I'd much prefer to review that transcript
to get to sequence of events.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But as I.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Recall now, after not talking about this for the last
year and a half, UH and not really thinking about
what came first, UH, there was an occasion where Oswald
was arrested in the US and.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
That Oswald UH.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Was interviewed by an agent with the further assassination and
at first one very when that kind of information comes in,
you have to file according to whether or not there's
another file or whether or not.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
A file was open. Well, at that time there was a.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
File number assigned to Oswald. I believe it was a
file number one thirty four, and going through the procedures
of checking the inducees.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I had found that, UH, that file was not in
a you know, not in a an area.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That was accessible to clerical employees. It was a more
of a security infillment type file that would be locked
up in the sac safe. So I had to give
the tip the UH memorandum requesting an agent contact Oswald,
had to give it to the Saturday duty agent UH,
telling him that yes, we.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Had a file on Oswald, but no, I didn't have
it and I.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Couldn't find it for him, so he had that information.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
When he when he went to Odwall.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I later found out that that was an infillment classification. UH.
Then verse after the assassination, you know, we'd checked the
indusses on Oswald and there was an indussy's car at
that time. There were a couple of numbers on the
car showing we had more than one file aside it
or his name appeared in the one one category. Again,
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this was an informant file. And then I had access
during UH during the night I believe it was the
night after the assassination. It was I think it was
a Saturday night. UH, I had access to to the
file cabinets, but these were filing and I closed it
and saw his file, just the top copy that he
had been contacted by UH agent D Breweries as an informant.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now, whether Oswelle was was UI.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Was informat Well, in course the fire would indicate that.
And I didn't need it any depth. It was a
very thin file that showed very little activity.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And there was no payments of any kind of payment.
Let's see the little he was set. Uh, he was
CU checked and the day it was a rest reflected.
But even he had a security part of whom but
he also was listed. Doesn't improved he had him contacted
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and and and oh the final number in our office
was an informant file number assigned to informants. Let's see
you know the roots. The industry card replied the pledged
SERVT requirement. Well, the first time there was one file number,
and then of course it was after assassination. As I recall,
there was some other fire numbers. He not not an
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improve of me. Now anne classification which was the assassination
farmer that wasn't on the industry's card. Now, I guess
if you took a purtal induces.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Card on on Oswald.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Now he may have twenty or thirty fund. Let's see, Uh,
could you identify individuals who coulds? Were two students substant
key two students the other clerical employees.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
A good were a couple of 'em that that Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We talked about it. My ex wife and I talked
about the great ones there were the agency. Uh, what
is your present name? Name is Covert? CEO B Cobert
and miss Covit who sealer roop e rt I Relisa
spell and Little asked me George Cobert CeAl hal o
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the e rt or seal b b R. I think
seld g rt George Covert. And her name is Sharon.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
They uh her mother and father lived in uh at Randolph.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Air forst place in San Antonio for the name of
James R. Johnson. And I understand that she lives somewhere
New Jersey down Plains School, New Jersey or a husband's
an intern at uh at uh uh hospital I named
Bulenburg Hospital, but I hadn't talked with her since nineteen
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sixty uh sixty nine. He was the worst in Lincoln
sixteen over the UIST in nineteen sixteen eight sixty seven
sixteen or see, but she was Si Sen.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
She thought I hadn't taught her.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I had understand Dan rather contacted UH after I was
i'd submit to the interview with CBS in nineteen seventy
sixthperiment of one in seventy center. And he says that
she did, but I had to talk with her communicating
in any way for in since uh since any about
a year after the and what really the ludship the clerks, Well,
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I'll give you these but these guys that are are
really have indicated me that they're very unhappy being brought
into this thing. Uh. Really Simon as I had MN,
I believe he still lives in the Warrens. And Tom mccurly, uh,
who was with a bank in Jackson, Mississippi, and the
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computer center. These guys can't afford attorneys that don't want
to be brought into uh any any position, or they
would have to take a stand and real another against
the bureau or make not theorioty, or they would become
of the attention of any the superciding and you know
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they would any kid to me, I think the riter
and talk to 'em a couple other UH House investigators
had talked to 'em, and they would very pretty upset
about it. I understand that they haven't given any support
to what would I say, is what happened. I understand
that they're they're simply saying they don't remember anything, and
that uh I know they don't remember and tell us
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I have been I know they don't wanna talk about understanding.
That's their official position. Understand the Bureaus has also gotten
uh an affid David from them that they don't know
one of the problems with with both of 'em. Whereas
there in nineteen sixty eight when this information became public,
the Bureau went to them and made them sign an
after David, or asked them to sign an after David
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telling them what happened, or to asking what happened. But
sixty eight it wasn't very I could her to take
the kind of position to stand, and it was to
say anything bad about the Bureau, so well, they signed
it after David sanity. They didn't know anything about it.
So if they were to come back in seventy and
seventy seven when they were asked again and the Bureau
was waiving that after David. They signed a sixty eight
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in their face, and it created.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Some problems with him.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I I talked to one of 'em, uh, and I
c I I haven't talked to her signed. I talked
to him a curly in was nineteen seventy six. And
the only reason I talked to him because one of
the investigators that can't call me back and say, Bruscott,
it was.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Mad at you.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You understand you were six hundred dollars. We had a
sell book together and the thing got invested up and
I had to sell it a loss. But he felt
to the six hundred dollars which would my share of
the boat and I never paid for and I didn't
realize that. I didn't have any idea that time. So
I called him and tell him I was sending him
a check, and I talked to his wife. Also in
Tom's position was uh he wanted to talk about the
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assassination and all that was good. He came under a
lot of pressure caused his job and his family life,
and that uh that he had already told the bureau that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Uh he didn't know anything about it, but that uh
he didn't uh.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Didn't care much to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And his wife told me that she had you know,
she had had a long.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Talk to him, and he he remembers all the information,
but he didn't want to say it. And I told her,
I said, well, you know, I'll have you repeeded in
the boy I thought about they had a retarded young baby.
And the guy was you old, he may not make
any money. I said, what was good? The last thing?
He needs his additional harassment, cause this absolutely doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The thing Oz was has while the fact that.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He was an infloman, playing me anything I know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Of krying of inform it that he.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Was, I feel I know the kind of informent he was.
And and uh, it's just embarrassing to the FBI to
be able to admit that they had contacted Oswald and
asked him information and required that information as if he
was an infoman, and then he ends up killing the president.
And A teletype was simply a movement tell type that
may have the UH contest of which may have been
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developed for any number of reasons. Maybe it would note
that it was destroyed in Dallas. Was uh who had
something to do with the origination the teletype? Uh? There
was other information going around the country around the the
dates of the fifteenth or the twentieth.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That would indicate that maybe the FBI should have.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Been uh concerned about some kind of attempt on Kennedy
and and in fact they were with the teletype was seventeenth.
So now more and more of that information is coming out,
and it doesn't mean anything to many. You know, I
started believe all there was a long assassin, and there
was being conclusive any kind and in the cell type
and that and the fact that I was there was
an informed It's simple that I just had uh somewhat.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Of a cover up cloud of the hero that they only.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Said me total information that uh that would support uh
that they had done everything that because the see.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He yeah, any of those group the course Kee's done.
But what what documents said?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I know, students, you were dot cure, but I will
I with documents that you had a position and not
supert your position. I don't think I don't remember get
one to experient about this supreme my position. I don't
think that I have one documents can support my position. Help.
I think that the Bureau is perfectly able and capable
(27:33):
of taking anything I have and saying just what they've
said about the notes that I've given out to the
news media that that, uh, that wasn't the kind of
teletract it would have been centered on on those days.
And we did an investigation and we as you all
these people he says it knows about it. They've all
signed affidavits, uh, and we searched our trials, and we've
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done all these other things. That's killed up. The only
thing that they could proved is, let's say I had
the original teletype right off the machine and I handed
it to you, and all they're gonna say is, yeah,
that's the paper, and that's the type, and that's the
that's He's right, that's it. But then they have proved
that he never never was sent. Maybe he made it up,
he sat there and typed it out. Okay, we'll admit
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that he typed it out. And that's another way I
could have happened.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It never was on the wire.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We've we've checked all of our teletype blogs and all
of these things that they've been able to say over
the past years, and they have said, you know that
it's pretty convincing though, that there's a phantom teletype too.
Then I'm a lawyer and that's fine with me. Uh,
I have more acci when I'm in a girl. But
apparently it is no matter what I am right, they
can't help me at all. He's never gonna be able
(28:41):
to help you know. You know there are some documents
that that I taught that I that I had access
to and I copied and took copies of it were
served on a uh systems kind of thing. How does
the FBI handle this kind of procedure. I took that
kind of stuff because I was interested, not because.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I felt that in one year down the.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Road that I was gonna be able to use this
information as the BURO. I was a very inquisitive young
college student who thought I was gonna grow up and
be who his replacement. So I took some information from
the Bureau's files that I thought number one was interesting
and number two was relevant to me becoming a better,
more qualified uh night in cloyer for the Bureau. I'd
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eventually become a major. So you know, it's not like, oh, okay,
Bill roll Real got this information because he he knew
it was gonna be important to history and then he's
gonna turn around, uh in nineteen sixty eight, until some investigations,
cause I mean nineteen seventy eight, tul ten years ago
I said this, you know in nineteen sixty eight. Uh,
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that was a long time ago. I talked about exactly
what I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
About now.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
To the FBI. See to right to the FBI and
nightteen the United States Attorney in Arts. So it's not
like that. And then so so why would you have
have good notes? Why would anybody like you take good notes? Well,
I wasn't the only one that took good notes at
that particular teletype. There were some other people that I
named it had taken good notes.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And what they've done with.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Those notes I don't know. In my case, I kept
for my notes. And the reason I took them because
we were concerned is you know, the present Katy was
a popular government and we were puting for science students
and uh Airballs was on the Waring Commissions and some
days said well we'll ask mister Bars what it is
said about this teletype. It made it so interesting when
it became a parent. I guess in two or three
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weeks of the investigation at the FBI, I was gonna
not accept in blame through a real assassination and not
communicating with the Secret Service or oswas involvement with a
bureau or uh protection or interviewing. You know, it was
a pretty well cut and dry thing and I VIEA
is not gonna get a black eye out of this thing,
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and there at any cost. There was a there was
another teletype that they they say they didn't they didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Send and uh W when I thought it was improvement,
it made.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Me uh theodolfical finals about six or seven days and
you had investigation and the bill sent the tele Typtown
office a uh accusing uh one of the agents that
did some interviewing of of screwing the interview up and
that the information does not It was not resolved that
he they've left too many news ends and they told
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him to reinterview. The person did all the answers, and
then in the same time time they said, it's doesn't
confirm with agents such and such and you interviewed the
same person. You guys, get your stories together, don't Let's
don't confuse the issue. Let's straighten this out. Let's change
this to mean this, And that's exactly the words of
Tati said change this and the following list so they
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would redo the interview redo, the theory of twos that
were the interview friends were used and get 'em back
in so that the FBI at that time on both
in an office in in Newan's office and then Washington
were making sure that everything that came through concerned became
the assassination was all needly organized and the piled up
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so that there wasn't any uh erea UH blaming a
loose era that to maybe the bureau could be blamed
and there wasn't any area that it would would lead
to in an embarrassment for the FBI. And they would
give me this information in that world packaged well well
the UH organized way to the wild Commission, and that
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usually this any reels, I mean, this joke about most
of this group, Well, I don't know. I never had
been that important to me. I I saw it, and
I and I was you would I can't like it?
And I told uh, I told in nineteen sixty eight,
I told the the United States Attorney in the FBI.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
About that teletype too, and they had not very.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Much has been said about that, can you. I didn't
go the engine reproved you No, no, reprove I can't
remember that uh, what kind of response did you get
years to who you presume you see information to the
argue team sixty week?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well, the response it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Was very depending upon who I talked to and and
what my concern was it Arizonal concern was whether or
not a NEURALSS information and how I got to know it.
And the other thing was, uh, was I gonna submit
to a to a subpoena if Jim Garrison at that
time was very active in his investigator that I was
gonna submit to to a uh a subpoena, and whether
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or not I was cooperating a caroson and whether or
not I understood my rights that I didn't have to
reveal this kind of information to anyone under a make
uh under government And it was uh uh exact little
pearle gent so he you know, A Eve advised me
I had an attorney present, I cause I recall our
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said of the United States Attorney and the assistant USA
and in the Neurons and the Neurons Office were four
hours in an interview.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And I later found out through after a while.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
For me wish out of my father, and no, none
of them took one notes that they uh, they just
didn't take any notes on did they either keep too
the rule used to keep they gave them anything. We're
just trying to track down the all the sources of
information that covered themselves in case Garrison got hurt on
something and they just went and over where there where
everybody stood. And then the day you know, I was
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then the last thing I remember them telling you so
were good there? You know it was it you worked
out and give me a hundred dollars to go home
or I'd taken two days off from work and work
in manstrolle and and the pay tomorrow and up plane
ticket and I turning to charge you know what, anything
to decode me?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh, I see did uh je Garrison and the screaming
if you wished garsying person? They ever contact kids who
were cheating? Now, I never uh done that care. I
ever talked to him, Jim Garris. And I just last
year that I met Glarss and that too with the
mother because he uh, he would said some new things
about me on the tun out of his close and
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would throw it. You asked me to after that give
you two two uh a little great ye kind of
standing here? I said, well, don't you understand when they
through mused can uh I was another a nationale and
my attorneys.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Who was not collaborating with him, I think they.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Indicated that they tried that. Uh they pitched the training
me out. But you wouldn't say anything. That was just
another one that's a non incredible worknesses.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And who was he was playing ampth.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But to the work telling me for the fool Frost community,
we sensubmation would sub been in you. You too, you
went tess too, you know, trusted.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
All about you that you would I you know here
but you worked.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Comply about the increments, all any documents that you have
any potition correct an other things. You very much. The
story was for submitting to it. This was I good
preciate and uh that said right here to pay sure
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been a time about twelveteen time twelve twelve, twenty ten.
Ever a pass that some years
Do you alright?
Speaker 2 (00:00):
US used to go to the house about reservatives.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Bill Walter E Carolee investigator, mister Rose, I wonder if
you would kill her so issues without down nine therefore, UH, when.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
If you go this year personal history? And my third
name is William S. Walter spelling her last names w
alt r. My day of verses three.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Nine thirty two.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I was born in uh Efstingham, Illinois.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
UH.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was improved by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in
the New Orleans office from approximately June of nineteen sixty
one until July nineteen sixty five. My UH areas of
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responsibility at the Bureau my more clerical in nature. I
was a US five security clerk working the twelve fifteen
midnight until eight fifteen in the morning shift. I was
the only employee on duty at the New Orleans office
for UH that a period of time. UH attended Tulane
(01:16):
University in the daytime, and it was not uncommon for
the Bureau field officers to have a mature college student
working full time for the Bureau AUH and being the
only employee on duty. UH in the areas of specific
(01:38):
responsibilities at night were to handle all of incoming and
outgoing communications and to note by supervisors.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
UH depending upon the.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Violation or the nature of the incoming UH communication. And
I was to notify the supervisors UH if action UH
I felt U action was necessary.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
During the UH night time in early morning hours.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
UH in that capacity of having incoming communications. Did you
when you were or was seventeen eighteen sixty three receive communications? Friend?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Who Yeah, I get group?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes, it was a UH A Sunday, I was again
the only employee on duty.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Received a conference teletype UH originating from UH Washington UH
and directed as conference to all sacs, meaning all special
agent charges of all officers a deed.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
At this particular teletype UH, as I recalled, came in
to the New Orleans office, was received at the scene
the time by the Memphis office, Dallas office Mobile office,
and and UH the teletype was UH directed to our
office sort of as a UH movement teletype, indicating that
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President Kennedy was UH being was going to be traveling
to t to Dallas, and that the information had been
received somewhere within the bureau that UH that would be
possible in an attempt to assassinate him. UH during some
time during the trip to Dallas. It was asking the
it was me the teletype. UH requested that all field
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officers and received that cell type to contact informans of
their nature and other to determine if any additional information
could be developed as it as any basis sort of
such a threat being made. I received the teletype go
on the seventeenth, and then took the UH the information
(03:55):
checked our indecease files. UH contacted the supervisors in charge
of those kinds of cases where if I was instructed
to contact UH aged personnel, and I so noted on
the teletype you recalled he, I'd remember give me in
the woods.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Did you contact with UH?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I recall some of the wall Ernest Wall uh cacked,
Milton Cact, uh Hermann Bogan UH person uh H G
Manor was a special agent in charge. He was contacted
UH Gilmore I believed was contacted. Did you called inch
(04:43):
Shac personally? Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I full that in fun and you remember the contact
so the telecape twit, Yes, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
UH you remember what he was?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
True action was now it wasn't an alarming.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Kind of situation. I yes.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
In the matter of UH.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
For three years I worked at the Hero I must
have woken the sack up, uh you know, awakened him
maybe a hundred times of what would I considered much
more serious uh teletypers than than this one. This one,
to me was just uh information, See what you had
in your field office concerning them, I'd see. But what
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did you do? Actors? Did you?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Finally he had teletone, but it was a procedure that
you would uh check the indicies determined it whether or
not there was a file, oh but at that time,
and if it was, you would uh match the teletype.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
With the file and attach it to the cover of
the of the file, and then you would route that
or close it on the desk of the supervisor that
handled those matters. And supervisor in the morning would expect
to have any of those kind of communications that came
in during the night to be on his desk for
his uh. Finally, uh proceed using me write route one
(06:04):
copy to the agents that's had the kind of case
of signed. In this case, there was no other information
uh about uh with that caption, so that would be
a new case. And so the teletype itself was placed
on uh the SAC's desk the following morning with uh
any other information that came in during that night.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Did you have occasion to uh speak with the little
special agent and charge or in the agents and uh
you determine work response and you would.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
To this took through telegrason. Now, Uh, that ring the
teletype we just placed on the desk with the notations
of who I called, the times I called 'em, and
those types of instructions for internal in front of you're
going to uh coop uh continuation of elists H when.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Mr Weller's uh cause you have occasion to observe a
similar time of uh teleoton and a similar.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Information of a lady did he loved? So? Who was
I'm a fellow your questions?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
He received this pick dear teletype in certain teams. Correct, Well,
let's move to where it was the twenty second and
missed the teacher received any similar tynestime, No.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I didn't. Uh there's a couple of things happened on
in the twenty seconds and maybe of entrance. First of all,
when Kennedy was shot.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I didn't work that day. It was my normal day
off or night off.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
And uh my wife at that time was a stenographer,
so she worked days. That was when Kennedy was shot.
I went to the office, Uh sisters or I was
in that bunch with my wife anyway, just came out
of barbershop. So UH when I got there the office
talk was uh to you know, UH, I wonder if
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anybody in the New Orleans area had actually killed the
president or or what what happened to the teletype?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
What was taken?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Was there any positive information to develop the week previous
or four days previous to uh indicate that maybe somebody
or people involved in the New Orleans area had done
the done the killing. And then it was almost lit
instantaneous that uh H. The information came down to the news,
new media and to the bureau's offices that Oswall was
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the person that was being accused of the assassination and
that he was in, you know, in the New Orleans
area for a long time, and there were a lot
of and there was talk around the office of who
knew him and what relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Be had with a bureau Uh.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
The there was a teletype that came in on the
afternoon of twenty second, uh asking the field officers to
determine if there was any leaves or develop any any
circumstances that would indicate that there was a some sort
of conspiracy and it's this teletype was in somewhat the
(09:15):
same form as the teletype. He came down on the
seventeenth and she.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Did Julie J.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Perry her check. He finds to determine with any response
to moved given to tell the seventeenth.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, the file was Uh course the indos's car would
indicate what file. I went in and there was two
or three of us. Uh, there were those friends there
that weren't aged personnel that went back to poor the
sixty two days zero a file that the teletype indicator
was there and the and the copy was there. Uh.
There were no h related documents as to whether or
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not there was any contact with anyone or the infilment
uh contact sheets who were not there and probably wouldn't
have been there. And I uh don't recall see where
or looking for 'em or even discussing anymore where the
teletracts was there assigned a serial number and a page
number in that sixty two gass zero file, which was
sort of a catch all kind of information. Fiel. Uh.
(10:27):
It probably looking you know, hindsight, it probably should have.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Been in an eighty nine zero file, which.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Was streup to together in one of those disputes. I
think the girl said, well, usual all about that, because
h if he saw the teletype the day of assassination
really came in on the seventeenth, then it would have
been in an eighty nine file and not a sixty
two file. Well, you know, and I know what I know,
and I know what I saw, uh. And when I've
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had an opportunity to look at some of the documents
that that could have been released uh by the bureau
under the flot Uh, there were a lot of documents
in sixty two zero file uh that were related to
the Kennedy assassination. So I don't know how they rushed that.
I explained that uh their defenses that didn't filed that
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copies shouldn't have been in that file. Make a long
story short, like I went back uh the following evening,
and course at that time they had actually opened an
assassination file.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
UH went back and the copy was out of.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
The sixty two D zero file, which was not uncompany.
It would be transferred them to go over the case file.
And I never saw it in the case file. So
I assumed that the back then, there was documents all
over the office. There were squads of agents dealing with
different aspects of the case, and it would take some
time for all that paper to get caught up and
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actually get put in the file. Or some cases, they
if it was a fast moving kind of case, they
might have a inch thick material on top of the
file that would eventually be filed by a clerical employee
accruing to the dates and times at the information where
you see would be assigned a page number, uh in
that file. So I was and didn't alarm me that
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when the next night erse uh I I had worked
two extra days and worked long hours. We sent teletypes uh,
as I recall. One of 'em was maybe fifty page
conference teletypes that a lot of us had. The clerical
people had time to sit around and discuss what this
was gonna mean to the country, what it was gonna
mean to the higher office, uh, you know, prewerd responsibility
(12:30):
for osborn. So there was a lot of stuttered but
in the office about UH wonder what happened to the
teletype though I'm sure it's over here. I wonder if
anything was developed.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I wonder where, uh where.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
The agents contacted work informants, you know, Uh, I wonder
about the the fact that Oswell had a security index
number which would indicate that he was also an informant,
had uh had been contacted by the bureau, And as
far as the new MS office was concerned, he had
and in film as status with our office, and the
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agency contacted him.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
As I recalled it were.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
More than one and uh so there was a lot
more of talk going on in the office about what
it was gonna mean. You see when did you hear vacasion?
You see this uh original? Uh? Well, the teletype it
was seventeenth th Q. When did you see the uh
document on the seventeenth?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Again? The teleson to Q was.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Seventeen When did you see this?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Tell the type of you?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh? The last time I saw that teletype and official
bureau capacity was on the afternoon of the twenty second,
uh after the assassination, And that was when I located
it in the sixty two days zero father, just out
of curiosity to see, uh see whether or not anybody
had developed any information of the conspiracy nature I.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
See, uh did you make a copy of that telespon?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I took some very good notes and UH have access
to some some copies of copies of copies of always
astray on the word as a copy. An original copy
of the Teletype was a two copy machine because we
had xerox machines there too. So I don't I don't
know get a specific to what it is that I Uh.
(14:19):
I am able to remember in detail what the teletype says,
but I I can, I can provide you with notes
of copies that UH that would tell you what the
teletype is said. And in the previous conversation, you know,
I had really huge d orders UH were in the.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
King that you had a copy of the teletype.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Richtine that was sette of current. Will let me go
a game.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
What is a copy?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
I have copies of what copies? As you explained to well,
I'm concerned about with runner or not. Uh. I've been
threatened by Mr Adam the FBI previously when I made
this information available back in nineteen sixties ricks as to
whether or not I was UH had in my possession
the government documents, and there was UH technicality is what
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the government docu whether or not I had copied notes
from original documents, or whetheror not I had a xerox
copy of an original document, or whether or not I
had original document without you know, without discussing it with
my attorney, I could put would not wanna put it
on tape.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Any information is to have whether as to whether or
not I have you notes, copies or originals of of
copies like you student case, most those maybe unique which
(15:50):
to others leased give me moved to based do the
loud issue, loose the p wop to.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Any document documents you might have protaining to this, and
tell depending.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
On the seventeenth Uh, would you respond to yes, yes,
I uh put you in to keep too little disturn
for them a big company. I know this is you know,
playing the work. But I uh, you know I had
some documents, some of 'em I had a right to have.
Some of 'em I got in a sort of information
of my Freedom Instormation file. Some of them I took
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notes of documents some of them might uh. I know
there's some areas where there are copies can be obtained.
So anything that I would know about the incident of
Kenny assassination, including ours of that, including bureau uh bureau procedures,
if I would be asked under under oath and an
official capacity. I would be more than that. People would
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give 'em everything I have. I said, I now of
us go on to UH. The second is sure. I'd
like to discuss in their look further on. UH. Oswald
was a little important pip you UH a light little
leve issue in and how you came about the information. UH.
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I don't remember the exact sequence of events, and I
don't UH. I'm sure that I don't get tied down
because I did UH submit an interview to an interview
in sixty seven UH the CBS, and I have a
transcript for that. I'd much prefer to review that transcript
to get to sequence of events.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
But as I.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Recall now, after not talking about this for the last
year and a half, UH and not really thinking about
what came first, UH, there was an occasion where Oswald
was arrested in the US and.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
That Oswald UH.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Was interviewed by an agent with the further assassination and
at first one very when that kind of information comes in,
you have to file according to whether or not there's
another file or whether or not.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
A file was open. Well, at that time there was a.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
File number assigned to Oswald. I believe it was a
file number one thirty four, and going through the procedures
of checking the inducees.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I had found that, UH, that file was not in
a you know, not in a an area.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
That was accessible to clerical employees. It was a more
of a security infillment type file that would be locked
up in the sac safe. So I had to give
the tip the UH memorandum requesting an agent contact Oswald,
had to give it to the Saturday duty agent UH,
telling him that yes, we.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Had a file on Oswald, but no, I didn't have
it and I.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Couldn't find it for him, so he had that information.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
When he when he went to Odwall.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I later found out that that was an infillment classification. UH.
Then verse after the assassination, you know, we'd checked the
indusses on Oswald and there was an indussy's car at
that time. There were a couple of numbers on the
car showing we had more than one file aside it
or his name appeared in the one one category. Again,
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this was an informant file. And then I had access
during UH during the night I believe it was the
night after the assassination. It was I think it was
a Saturday night. UH, I had access to to the
file cabinets, but these were filing and I closed it
and saw his file, just the top copy that he
had been contacted by UH agent D Breweries as an informant.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now, whether Oswelle was was UI.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Was informat Well, in course the fire would indicate that.
And I didn't need it any depth. It was a
very thin file that showed very little activity.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And there was no payments of any kind of payment.
Let's see the little he was set. Uh, he was
CU checked and the day it was a rest reflected.
But even he had a security part of whom but
he also was listed. Doesn't improved he had him contacted
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and and and oh the final number in our office
was an informant file number assigned to informants. Let's see
you know the roots. The industry card replied the pledged
SERVT requirement. Well, the first time there was one file number,
and then of course it was after assassination. As I recall,
there was some other fire numbers. He not not an
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improve of me. Now anne classification which was the assassination
farmer that wasn't on the industry's card. Now, I guess
if you took a purtal induces.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Card on on Oswald.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Now he may have twenty or thirty fund. Let's see, Uh,
could you identify individuals who coulds? Were two students substant
key two students the other clerical employees.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
A good were a couple of 'em that that Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
We talked about it. My ex wife and I talked
about the great ones there were the agency. Uh, what
is your present name? Name is Covert? CEO B Cobert
and miss Covit who sealer roop e rt I Relisa
spell and Little asked me George Cobert CeAl hal o
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the e rt or seal b b R. I think
seld g rt George Covert. And her name is Sharon.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
They uh her mother and father lived in uh at Randolph.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Air forst place in San Antonio for the name of
James R. Johnson. And I understand that she lives somewhere
New Jersey down Plains School, New Jersey or a husband's
an intern at uh at uh uh hospital I named
Bulenburg Hospital, but I hadn't talked with her since nineteen
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sixty uh sixty nine. He was the worst in Lincoln
sixteen over the UIST in nineteen sixteen eight sixty seven
sixteen or see, but she was Si Sen.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
She thought I hadn't taught her.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I had understand Dan rather contacted UH after I was
i'd submit to the interview with CBS in nineteen seventy
sixthperiment of one in seventy center. And he says that
she did, but I had to talk with her communicating
in any way for in since uh since any about
a year after the and what really the ludship the clerks, Well,
(22:31):
I'll give you these but these guys that are are
really have indicated me that they're very unhappy being brought
into this thing. Uh. Really Simon as I had MN,
I believe he still lives in the Warrens. And Tom mccurly, uh,
who was with a bank in Jackson, Mississippi, and the
(22:52):
computer center. These guys can't afford attorneys that don't want
to be brought into uh any any position, or they
would have to take a stand and real another against
the bureau or make not theorioty, or they would become
of the attention of any the superciding and you know
(23:12):
they would any kid to me, I think the riter
and talk to 'em a couple other UH House investigators
had talked to 'em, and they would very pretty upset
about it. I understand that they haven't given any support
to what would I say, is what happened. I understand
that they're they're simply saying they don't remember anything, and
that uh I know they don't remember and tell us
(23:34):
I have been I know they don't wanna talk about understanding.
That's their official position. Understand the Bureaus has also gotten
uh an affid David from them that they don't know
one of the problems with with both of 'em. Whereas
there in nineteen sixty eight when this information became public,
the Bureau went to them and made them sign an
after David, or asked them to sign an after David
(23:55):
telling them what happened, or to asking what happened. But
sixty eight it wasn't very I could her to take
the kind of position to stand, and it was to
say anything bad about the Bureau, so well, they signed
it after David sanity. They didn't know anything about it.
So if they were to come back in seventy and
seventy seven when they were asked again and the Bureau
was waiving that after David. They signed a sixty eight
(24:18):
in their face, and it created.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Some problems with him.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I I talked to one of 'em, uh, and I
c I I haven't talked to her signed. I talked
to him a curly in was nineteen seventy six. And
the only reason I talked to him because one of
the investigators that can't call me back and say, Bruscott,
it was.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Mad at you.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You understand you were six hundred dollars. We had a
sell book together and the thing got invested up and
I had to sell it a loss. But he felt
to the six hundred dollars which would my share of
the boat and I never paid for and I didn't
realize that. I didn't have any idea that time. So
I called him and tell him I was sending him
a check, and I talked to his wife. Also in
Tom's position was uh he wanted to talk about the
(24:58):
assassination and all that was good. He came under a
lot of pressure caused his job and his family life,
and that uh that he had already told the bureau that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Uh he didn't know anything about it, but that uh
he didn't uh.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Didn't care much to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And his wife told me that she had you know,
she had had a long.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Talk to him, and he he remembers all the information,
but he didn't want to say it. And I told her,
I said, well, you know, I'll have you repeeded in
the boy I thought about they had a retarded young baby.
And the guy was you old, he may not make
any money. I said, what was good? The last thing?
He needs his additional harassment, cause this absolutely doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
The thing Oz was has while the fact that.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
He was an infloman, playing me anything I know.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Of krying of inform it that he.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Was, I feel I know the kind of informent he was.
And and uh, it's just embarrassing to the FBI to
be able to admit that they had contacted Oswald and
asked him information and required that information as if he
was an infoman, and then he ends up killing the president.
And A teletype was simply a movement tell type that
may have the UH contest of which may have been
(26:04):
developed for any number of reasons. Maybe it would note
that it was destroyed in Dallas. Was uh who had
something to do with the origination the teletype? Uh? There
was other information going around the country around the the
dates of the fifteenth or the twentieth.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That would indicate that maybe the FBI should have.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Been uh concerned about some kind of attempt on Kennedy
and and in fact they were with the teletype was seventeenth.
So now more and more of that information is coming out,
and it doesn't mean anything to many. You know, I
started believe all there was a long assassin, and there
was being conclusive any kind and in the cell type
and that and the fact that I was there was
an informed It's simple that I just had uh somewhat.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Of a cover up cloud of the hero that they only.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Said me total information that uh that would support uh
that they had done everything that because the see.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
He yeah, any of those group the course Kee's done.
But what what documents said?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I know, students, you were dot cure, but I will
I with documents that you had a position and not
supert your position. I don't think I don't remember get
one to experient about this supreme my position. I don't
think that I have one documents can support my position. Help.
I think that the Bureau is perfectly able and capable
(27:33):
of taking anything I have and saying just what they've
said about the notes that I've given out to the
news media that that, uh, that wasn't the kind of
teletract it would have been centered on on those days.
And we did an investigation and we as you all
these people he says it knows about it. They've all
signed affidavits, uh, and we searched our trials, and we've
(27:54):
done all these other things. That's killed up. The only
thing that they could proved is, let's say I had
the original teletype right off the machine and I handed
it to you, and all they're gonna say is, yeah,
that's the paper, and that's the type, and that's the
that's He's right, that's it. But then they have proved
that he never never was sent. Maybe he made it up,
he sat there and typed it out. Okay, we'll admit
(28:15):
that he typed it out. And that's another way I
could have happened.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It never was on the wire.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We've we've checked all of our teletype blogs and all
of these things that they've been able to say over
the past years, and they have said, you know that
it's pretty convincing though, that there's a phantom teletype too.
Then I'm a lawyer and that's fine with me. Uh,
I have more acci when I'm in a girl. But
apparently it is no matter what I am right, they
can't help me at all. He's never gonna be able
(28:41):
to help you know. You know there are some documents
that that I taught that I that I had access
to and I copied and took copies of it were
served on a uh systems kind of thing. How does
the FBI handle this kind of procedure. I took that
kind of stuff because I was interested, not because.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
I felt that in one year down the.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Road that I was gonna be able to use this
information as the BURO. I was a very inquisitive young
college student who thought I was gonna grow up and
be who his replacement. So I took some information from
the Bureau's files that I thought number one was interesting
and number two was relevant to me becoming a better,
more qualified uh night in cloyer for the Bureau. I'd
(29:25):
eventually become a major. So you know, it's not like, oh, okay,
Bill roll Real got this information because he he knew
it was gonna be important to history and then he's
gonna turn around, uh in nineteen sixty eight, until some investigations,
cause I mean nineteen seventy eight, tul ten years ago
I said this, you know in nineteen sixty eight. Uh,
(29:46):
that was a long time ago. I talked about exactly
what I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
About now.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
To the FBI. See to right to the FBI and
nightteen the United States Attorney in Arts. So it's not
like that. And then so so why would you have
have good notes? Why would anybody like you take good notes? Well,
I wasn't the only one that took good notes at
that particular teletype. There were some other people that I
named it had taken good notes.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
And what they've done with.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Those notes I don't know. In my case, I kept
for my notes. And the reason I took them because
we were concerned is you know, the present Katy was
a popular government and we were puting for science students
and uh Airballs was on the Waring Commissions and some
days said well we'll ask mister Bars what it is
said about this teletype. It made it so interesting when
it became a parent. I guess in two or three
(30:35):
weeks of the investigation at the FBI, I was gonna
not accept in blame through a real assassination and not
communicating with the Secret Service or oswas involvement with a
bureau or uh protection or interviewing. You know, it was
a pretty well cut and dry thing and I VIEA
is not gonna get a black eye out of this thing,
(30:56):
and there at any cost. There was a there was
another teletype that they they say they didn't they didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Send and uh W when I thought it was improvement,
it made.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Me uh theodolfical finals about six or seven days and
you had investigation and the bill sent the tele Typtown
office a uh accusing uh one of the agents that
did some interviewing of of screwing the interview up and
that the information does not It was not resolved that
he they've left too many news ends and they told
(31:26):
him to reinterview. The person did all the answers, and
then in the same time time they said, it's doesn't
confirm with agents such and such and you interviewed the
same person. You guys, get your stories together, don't Let's
don't confuse the issue. Let's straighten this out. Let's change
this to mean this, And that's exactly the words of
Tati said change this and the following list so they
(31:46):
would redo the interview redo, the theory of twos that
were the interview friends were used and get 'em back
in so that the FBI at that time on both
in an office in in Newan's office and then Washington
were making sure that everything that came through concerned became
the assassination was all needly organized and the piled up
(32:07):
so that there wasn't any uh erea UH blaming a
loose era that to maybe the bureau could be blamed
and there wasn't any area that it would would lead
to in an embarrassment for the FBI. And they would
give me this information in that world packaged well well
the UH organized way to the wild Commission, and that
(32:28):
usually this any reels, I mean, this joke about most
of this group, Well, I don't know. I never had
been that important to me. I I saw it, and
I and I was you would I can't like it?
And I told uh, I told in nineteen sixty eight,
I told the the United States Attorney in the FBI.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
About that teletype too, and they had not very.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Much has been said about that, can you. I didn't
go the engine reproved you No, no, reprove I can't
remember that uh, what kind of response did you get
years to who you presume you see information to the
argue team sixty week?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Well, the response it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Was very depending upon who I talked to and and
what my concern was it Arizonal concern was whether or
not a NEURALSS information and how I got to know it.
And the other thing was, uh, was I gonna submit
to a to a subpoena if Jim Garrison at that
time was very active in his investigator that I was
gonna submit to to a uh a subpoena, and whether
(33:28):
or not I was cooperating a caroson and whether or
not I understood my rights that I didn't have to
reveal this kind of information to anyone under a make
uh under government And it was uh uh exact little
pearle gent so he you know, A Eve advised me
I had an attorney present, I cause I recall our
(33:49):
said of the United States Attorney and the assistant USA
and in the Neurons and the Neurons Office were four
hours in an interview.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And I later found out through after a while.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
For me wish out of my father, and no, none
of them took one notes that they uh, they just
didn't take any notes on did they either keep too
the rule used to keep they gave them anything. We're
just trying to track down the all the sources of
information that covered themselves in case Garrison got hurt on
something and they just went and over where there where
everybody stood. And then the day you know, I was
(34:21):
then the last thing I remember them telling you so
were good there? You know it was it you worked
out and give me a hundred dollars to go home
or I'd taken two days off from work and work
in manstrolle and and the pay tomorrow and up plane
ticket and I turning to charge you know what, anything
to decode me?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Oh, I see did uh je Garrison and the screaming
if you wished garsying person? They ever contact kids who
were cheating? Now, I never uh done that care. I
ever talked to him, Jim Garris. And I just last
year that I met Glarss and that too with the
mother because he uh, he would said some new things
about me on the tun out of his close and
(34:59):
would throw it. You asked me to after that give
you two two uh a little great ye kind of
standing here? I said, well, don't you understand when they
through mused can uh I was another a nationale and
my attorneys.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Who was not collaborating with him, I think they.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Indicated that they tried that. Uh they pitched the training
me out. But you wouldn't say anything. That was just
another one that's a non incredible worknesses.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And who was he was playing ampth.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But to the work telling me for the fool Frost community,
we sensubmation would sub been in you. You too, you
went tess too, you know, trusted.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
All about you that you would I you know here
but you worked.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Comply about the increments, all any documents that you have
any potition correct an other things. You very much. The
story was for submitting to it. This was I good
preciate and uh that said right here to pay sure
(36:01):
been a time about twelveteen time twelve twelve, twenty ten.
Ever a pass that some years
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