Episode 68: 2025 Pitching Prospect Rankings: The Top 50

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (03:11):
You know it's flown by. It's been good. I've been
itching to get in here and talk about pictures, though
I won't. I will not actually lie about that. It's
been on the on the back of my mind a
lot here.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I feel the same way. I love talking about the pictures.
I've got a spreadsheet that that blows my mind with
the all the minor league pitching stats and grades, and
I've got v lookups and matching here, and I have
so much fun, Yeah, so much fun diving into it.
It's just kind of fun to talk about them. But
before we do, a couple of questions for you. The
first is one that comes up. It came up in

(03:46):
our in our ranking conversations with the other rankers, both
with Dynasty pictures and particularly with Prospect pictures. But how
much do we should we could we factor in the
injury fact actor into the rankings, and even within that,
there's some pictures who may have an injury history and

(04:08):
even want to say injury prone maybe versus somebody who
only has had a Tommy John which you say, you know,
only for surgery that takes you out for over a year,
but it is the kind of surgery that a lot
of pictures back come back from, so single injury versus
injury prone. Do any are all you know factor into

(04:30):
how you how you rank your pictures.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yes, that's a good question. Yeah, that's a good question.
And that's my answer, no, injury history, Yeah, yes, it
has to. I don't necessarily I find myself discounting less
and less, uh, Tommy John recovery. I think the success

(04:54):
rights I do not have this pulled up are improving
as the years of gone by. I think it's not
necessarily a given. There's still enough failures out there for
people who don't return fully. But then the names that
are just jumping into my hat are actually second time
Tommy John recoveries, and that's even worse numbers that that

(05:16):
gives me a little bit more, a lot more wary,
A lot goes into the injury, you know, into the
risk of Tommy John specifically, right, we know this by
now throwing hard and throwing sliders basically a lot and
throwing for starting to throw all this at a younger
age and building up a lot of innings early is

(05:37):
seemingly more and more detrimental. So unfortunately the state of
the game, I don't know if there's a way to
avoid that. So I find myself a concern, yes, but
not like a unique concern as much for each and
every picture, whereas oh, it's been this, this picture has
you know, throws sliders and hasn't had the injury, I'm

(05:58):
a little bit more worried, or hasn't had the surgery.
I'm a little bit more concerned about that guy. Oh
they're recovering. They just had the surgery at the end
of twenty four. Okay, I'm actually not going to fade
them as much as someone who maybe is just now
going under the knife. So it's an ebb and flow.
But I think it's truly just a matter of when

(06:21):
as opposed to a matter of if when, especially when
you look at these high velocity, high spin slider types.
So yeah, and I and you know, then you look
at the repeat injuries that are maybe not necessarily always
resulting in Tommy John. But you talk about the soft
tissue guys, whether it's shoulder or other elbow injuries. I think, again,

(06:47):
this is a where and to our position that it's
gonna happen. Some pictures bounce through. It's more of that's
more of a unique case by case basis. I probably
look at those, but I don't think any picture would
ever become A professional pitcher pitched through an entire successful

(07:08):
major league career and an escape unscathed, so to speak.
So you know, it's I don't have a formula, but
I definitely look at those things more a little bit
more individual individualized.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I think, you know, I would say the same thing.
And it's really, you know, it used to be very
scared of anybody who's had a back injury and think
of the torque that some of the pictures put on
their back, and you know, maybe less so a little
less so with more pictures pitching, well, almost everybody now
just pitches out of the stretcher with no wind up
compared to when we were kids, with the big windups

(07:45):
and everything. But I think people forget Jackson Job had
what sounded like a very serious back injury two or
three years ago, came back and I haven't heard a
word about it since. So. But on the other hand,
like a Ricky Teeman with I think we're gonna talk
about later on today, has had kind of a history
of that. Then then the arm injury, and you know,

(08:06):
whether one is related to another, and we'll get too
nerdy here, but going you know back in baseball history
before we had the medical advances we had now, there's
so many stories about pictures, you know, coming back from
this injury and then getting another one because they changed
their delivery to favor their foot and all of a
sudden they blow out their shoulder and you know, kind
of ruined their career in the Dizzy Dean, that's part

(08:28):
of his story. And that's going back too many years.
But I was I was a baseball nerd growing up.
I read so many baseball history books. Anyhow, point being,
one can lead to another if it's not taken care
of well. And I think that you know, the medical
the physio that they're doing with these players is so

(08:48):
much you know, further down the road, there's so much
more money involved and organization has put so much, you know,
resources towards that, so that's less of a factor. Although
you know, the had patients pro athletes. They want to
be out there, so they're going to tell a doctor
or trainer kind of what they want to hear. And
you wonder about somebody coming back to early and whether
that led to the second injury. And on a point being,

(09:11):
it's just so hard and so in our rankings, even
in like the small group we have, we have different
perspectives on it, and I think I think it's probably
going to come out a little bit in the rankings.
If everybody's consistent individually, it'll be consistent through our rankings.
But I think a few of the names will talk about,
you know, we maybe higher or lower on from each
other or from the group, just basically from the different

(09:33):
way we're looking at the injury they're coming back from,
or whether we perceive they've got kind of multiple injuries
and that's going to be a factor down the line.
So there's just no way to quantify it, you know,
there's there's just you know, people have tried. There's there's
no way to say this injury will always mean this
much time as much you know, mild power off your
fastball or added to your fastball, et cetera, et cetera.

(09:55):
So and then the other the other set of factors
is organization factor. How much do you look at organizations
that develop well, how much do you look at organizations
where they're going to be blocked? I think you and
I offline, we're talking about the Dodgers, and does zerra
a penalty for being in Cincinnati or Colorado system knowing
that's the ballpark they're going to be, you know, and

(10:19):
maybe add the athletics of that group going forward, you know,
and knowing that's the ballpark that will be the picture's
home ballpark if they don't get traded you know along
the way. Do any of those coming in a factor
when you're looking at your rankings.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yes, again, it's very individualized, especially with the organizations. You know,
It's actually pretty funny how one prospect I was talking
about this with a buddy of mine, how an org

(10:52):
can have its generalized opinion of the organization can quickly
change because of one player rising to start them not
a position or not a pitcher, a position player, but
Lawrence Butler is kind of making all of a sudden
people think, oh, Oakland can develop people with you know,

(11:12):
some swing and miss issues, and because you know these
tool strong you know, five tool type players. And I
don't know if I'm ready to fully say that with
the Athletics, they are doing a really good job. But
it's interesting. It seems like the just the perception of
the Athletics, and I think I've referred to them as
the Oakland Athletics a few times in this has greatly changed.

(11:37):
So I don't know if it. I think all professional
organizations have the ability to maximize the traits of strong
baseball players. I think the baseball players with these traits,
these skills, these tools can also add to that. So
I don't think it's a very I don't think it's

(11:57):
necessarily ORG dependent, but there are organs that historically do
it better, and I do look to those orgs for
those positions. Tampa Bay comes to mind, right, Cleveland comes
to talking about pictures, the Dodgers, and so there's plenty
of others obviously that do a good job. But I
don't necessarily discount a picture if they go to a

(12:20):
bad system or a system that's not as historically known
for developing some of these talents. Conversely, you mentioned ballparks
and does their future home. Does their future ballparks scare
me off? I think that should be considered. Right talking
about Colorado, there has not been a lot of fantasy

(12:42):
relevant pictures that have pitched in Colorado. It could be
the organization mindset and their development. It could be related
to the actual environment in which coors Field rests. Probably
a combination of all the factors can chase all und
or break that mold. Remains to be seen. I think

(13:03):
his ranking reflects that, generally speaking, because he's got lights
out stuff in the miners. He's doing everything you want,
but no one is. It's rare to see him as
a top you know, a top five pitcher, which is
where he would be if he was in any other organization,
even Cincinnati. I think. I think Cincinnati is one. I

(13:28):
think I've heard people kind of rearing back on Tampa
Bay pitchers this year just because they're going to be
pitching in the equivalent of Yankee Stadium. Debatable impacts in
my opinion, but yeah, if you have home run prone
fly ball pitchers, yes, those types of arms are going

(13:49):
to be less successful in those home ballparks. But when
you're talking about pitchers who are even a year out,
you don't necessarily know if they'll actually be pitching in
that stadium and fifty percent of their games, so takes
into it. It should be taken into account. But I
don't weigh that as strongly on an individual basis, but

(14:10):
it is something that I do. Caken.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I try to look at and you know, starting
at the top of the organizations that develop really after
the top twenty, I think that plays a bigger the
further I go down the list, the more I'm looking
at that, because I think at Cleveland, A, Milwaukee. The
organizations you mentioned at Detroit right now are taking those

(14:35):
pictures and bringing them you know, further along than some
others were. One organization. I think it's interesting debate about
is Miami like are they drafting well and not developing
as well or are they developing well because they've kind
of hit a miss with some some players along the way,

(14:57):
and they've also been hit by injuries, whether that's related
or not. But but the point I think that the development.
I think the top twenty pitchers or so, their talent
is going to shine, you know, and it's going to
be really hard to mash that in, no matter how
poor your development is. But that next group, that's where
I think the organizational development has you know, really big

(15:18):
effect on them. Yeah, I try to look at the blocking.
I think, you know, going back to our injury conversation,
they're going to make a room. It's kind of we
talk about the bat's going to find a way well,
I think a solid arm is going to find a
way in as well. It may slow down the debut.
That may be a period of long relief for spot
starts and moving back and forth between Triple A and

(15:38):
the majors depending on options available, et cetera. But and
in the ballpark, I try not to take that into
account too much, if at all, because there's just so
many things that can happen, you know, it be the
trade beat everything else. And and then you wanted to that,
I think, I think you're right. I don't think Colorado

(15:59):
has really developed great pitching and they just had them
not perform in the majors. I just don't think they
do a really good job developing, you know, and or
identifying because we talk about Dolander, but I don't think
before that, you know, there are many people were worried
about because they just weren't there in the minors as well,

(16:21):
you know. And then going back, I mean, you know,
Hermon mcka has had a great year, but then kind
of injuries and anything else set him back. Some of
the guys who left it well after they get back.
So I think there's some truth to the ballpark thing.
But I don't think it should way too heavily in
the prospect ranking. So it doesn't like either of us
go too far with that. We need to jump into
the rankings. So this is a great conversation, but let's

(16:43):
let's start talking about some of the names. So yeah,
I'm gonna go I'll go ten a time already the
top ten on the TDG Prospect ranking list, and we
can pull out some names to talk about there, and
we'll just go ten at a time and see how
far down the list we get. And then a quick
pre you today, we're just going to talk about prospect pitching.

(17:04):
Next episode we'll talk about the deeper prospects as well
as our dynasty of rankings and some of the things.
And you know, I think pitching is the one thing
we can talk about all year. But you know, today
prospect prospect prospect. So our top ten number one, Roki Sasaki,
number two, Andrew Painter, followed by Jackson Job, Noah Schultz,

(17:26):
Bubba Chandler, Chase Burns, Hagen Smith, Kumar Rocker, Travis Sikora,
and Chase Stilander, who were just talking about. Pretty consistent,
especially in the top five or six. I think we're
almost lockstep with a few you know, five and four,
six and five switches along the way, but pretty consistent
among the group. And then we start to get a

(17:46):
little bit changed further down. But what do you think
of this group? How do you compare it to two
years past, and more importantly, who he really really high on?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, I am there's I mean, there are a lot
of names that I like. I actually own a deer,
I should say own I roster of fair share of
these guys. I was actually trying to look and see
where I have Hagen Smith. I haven't met nine interesting. Okay,
so I'm not okay, that's my segue. Is me stumbling

(18:18):
over where Hagen Smith is ranked on my personal ranks? Yeah,
I mean Rokie Enough said we've talked about him at nauseum.
He's and if it's not us, everyone else has talked
about him, no doubt number one, then we have it,
followed by Andrew Painter, Jackson Joe like you said, they're

(18:39):
pretty you know, you could see those two mismatched or
mixmatched on other people's lists, maybe even have Schultz, Bubba
Chandler thrown in there. They're all for those guys you
could see as the number two ranked prospect pitcher, all
have top of the rotation sort of stuff. Literally could
be number one pitcher in baseball in a few years
at some point strikeout and it's all comes down to

(19:01):
their health or what you perceive their health and when
you think they'll start actually pitching consistent a lot of
innings in the major league level. They're all great. Try
and get them if you can, if you already hold
on to them. You know, there is that adage of
trading your pitching arms when they get called up, because

(19:25):
not every pitcher performs as well in the major league surprise, surprise.
You know. I don't really subscribe, subscribe to that theory,
especially with those five. I would hold on tight. I
have Hagen Smith, That's you know, my segue. I have
Hagen's Smith, just a bit lower than Kumar and Psychor.

(19:46):
I haven't met nine on my list. We talked about injuries.
He had Tommy John surgery at sixteen years old. I
think it was sixteen, somewhere in there. He's got a
crazy awesome side arm delivery. He's lefty Chicago. Speaking of historically,

(20:06):
you know, organizations doing well. Uh, you know, Chris Sayle,
Noah Schultz. He's kind of following in that mold of
that really low slot uh picture. I'm just a little
bit more hesitant, even though he could be up in
the next year and he's got nasty stuff. I'm a
little bit more hesitant with his injury history, so I
drop him down behind Kumar Rocker, who also has injury

(20:29):
history but is a lot closer, and Travis Zikora, who
is uh he looks like an ace. He's you know,
a little sycamore there, and he's farther away, but he
is showing all signs of being a great fantasy picture
in the future.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I had I had Higgins Smith right where you did
for some of the same reasons, and I had Chase
Burns one spot behind him. I think everybody else has
Chase Burns, you know, ahead of him. But when I
look at the two and FYPD is hard. It's the
most challenging part to kind of factor any of the rankings.

(21:11):
I think where you put the FAD pictures, FYPD pictures,
Hagen Smith and the looking at future grades has got
the slightly higher future grade on his fastball. They both
top out one hundred. I know Chase Burns will sit
in ninety six ninety nine. Smith will be closer to

(21:35):
ninety three to ninety seven, kind of a higher range
for where it is a little more erratic, but his
control he's being Higginsmith's control and command is so much
better and so with us just slightly better fastball right now,
but the better command. I like Smith better than I
like Chase Burns. Actually not by a lot, but enough

(21:56):
that would I would rank him ahead of time with
the caveat of it's an kind of concerns that you
have so lower than the group on both of those.
And then you know, I don't know if you want
to talk about Chase Burns for a second, but again,
Alex Smith just a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, I mean, Burns is he's he's got the concern
of Cincinnati. Of course, you can't ignore that he's got
what three pitches I think that are plus or double
bus is fastball, his slider, and then I think it's
this curve as his third one that's a little you

(22:32):
know that's trailing behind it.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
But I he's I don't expect him to fly through.
I don't think he's going to be a half, you know,
a half season in the minors and then pitching in
Great American Ballpark. But that fastball slider combo, he's hitting
upper or upper one hundreds, upper nineties. He's he's he

(22:59):
can be, he can be an ace health is still
a concern, and he is a little bit more less control.
But it's I don't know, it's I think he's more
nasty stuff. And that's why I'm behind. I have Chase
said yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
And Kimar Rocker, who you mentioned. He had an amazing
year last year, just his he got a cup of coffee.
Eleven innings with the with the Rangers in the in
the big League. But for the pitching he did, I
say amazing. He pitched three six innings total, so I
know he's coming back from the injury. But thirteen point

(23:41):
five k P nine, one point three walk per nine. Uh,
the z A was under two at all those stops.
And the still for the again, the eleven innings he
pitched in the majors, you know, he had fourteen strikeouts.
I I mean, you got to respect the injury concerned.

(24:02):
I mean, it's why he didn't get signed the first
time he was drafted by the Mets. Now, as I
recalled it, from the time, I thought, he's the one
who kind of walked away when the Mets didn't want
to pay him. And then I read something that I said,
that's why the Mets walked away from him. So whatever,
he's going to didn't sign, played the independent league and
the Rangers signed him. The talent is there, it's it's

(24:24):
all health concerns. But I can't knock him down just
because when when he's healthy, it's it's so dominant. And
he went through so quickly. I think he's just ready
to kind of break out. I think he's going to
make an impact at the major league level this year.
I'm excited to see it. You know, you don't want
anybody get injured, so but I really hope he doesn't

(24:44):
get injured. Will you can see what he can do healthy,
because he was so dynamic in college and Vandervillet pictures
don't seem to do well the majors no matter what
they did in college. But boy, you know, he and
light are back to back. That was just something to see.
And I don't even follow college baseball that closely, and
I was. I was watching those games. They were fun,
all right.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, he's the epitome of don't waste the bullets, right,
I mean, flowing through and as you said, it's just
watching him when he got called up, well, he said,
fourteen strikeouts and eleven innings. That's pretty good of your
debut season. And I don't. I mean, he didn't pitch
many innings all year because of that rehab. But yeah,

(25:26):
hopefully he's able to stick. I mean that did him
and the rum hopefully they got you know, too bad.
They don't have the Dodgers' depth in there.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Do you think we see Noah Schultz in the big
leagues this year?

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I'm not. I wouldn't put money on it personally. It's
a good question because a lot of people, I think,
expect it, and it could be don't waste the bullets.
But unless the White Sox somehow start making a push.
You know, obviously it's easier to be in the playoffs
this year than it was, you know, three years ago.
But unless they're actually making a push, I can't see

(26:04):
the way that organization is run. It just doesn't seem
to be the kind who would just call up a
picture because the picture is actually ready.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Right, Yeah, and sixty to one innings at double A
last year, the town is there. He'll be twenty one
this year. I would probably think if he if it all,
it's a cup of coffee in September. If they want
him to kind of experience it before they go into
the off season, but I think it's a matter of when,

(26:37):
not if, really with him. So it could be looking
at him at number one on this list next year
if he doesn't graduate.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
That I think he's a good bed for that. I mean,
he only threw eighty eight innings last year, so and
he's had an injury history as well, No Tommy John
that I'm aware of, but if you're talking a cup
of coffee, that means they're going to be limiting his
Indians all year. And I think they limited him pretty

(27:05):
much like three inning bursts for the majority of last year.
I don't have his game log pulled up, but if
they did something like that, that would kind of seem
backwards in my eyes too, because you're not getting him
those longer outings. But yeah, I hopefully they are able
to manage his workload I am, and get him you know,

(27:27):
four or five innings, six innings by the by summer.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah. And on the other hand, I do think we'll
see Bubba Chandler up. Yeah. You know, he he's pitched
over one hundred innings three years in a row now,
so he is stretched out ready to go. It'll be yeah,
an old twenty two year old. Uh We shall be
order a beer after the game. Yeah, and all he

(27:51):
does is strike people out, and for the most part
lately he's been keeping his walk rate under ten percent.
And Pittsburgh is they're gonna have a very exciting young
pitching staff and conceivable that Mitch Keller could be there
s before behind other young kids, and you don't know,
like the Al Central could be a situation with Maker

(28:15):
run and they just kind of want to like, see, yeah,
pull up all everybody they can. So I'm not following
that closely their spring training, so I don't know if
he'll break camp with them, but I don't think he'll
graduate from this list this year would be my projection,
and I think he'll do it quite well.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, they just signed Andrew Haney a couple of days ago,
so I don't think he'll break camp. But yeah, that's
you know, the potential of one of those World Series
bound kind of rotations if all obviously they make the
playoffs first of all, but then the harder the starters
are able to be healthy throughout. Obviously I'm not trying

(28:55):
to jink them, but it's maybe not in twenty five. Well,
it's it's down the road and not too far. I
don't think that could be a very successful rotation for
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, I think so. And you know, it's looking at
roster resource you know right now Bailey falters their SP five. Yeah,
and not a bad profile to hab it SP five.
But also it's Bubba Chilean's knocking on the door.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Well, Bubba is not on the forty man unfortunately, and
they do have Burrows and Ashcraft down there, and I
mean and even other names that aren't on their forty
man roster. So Bubba will be up quickly, but I
I don't think he'll be the first one up unfortunately either.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
This year though, who'd have thought we'd be having this
conversation about the pirates.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Right well, and that's not a talent thing. Also, that's
kind of lumped in with the white sox of cheap
owners in the top ten or you want to move
down well, I mean we may as well talk about
mister Psycho or there. Oh yeah, he was last year
was his first full first professionally. I don't think he
pitched after his draft year in twenty three. I mean

(30:11):
he almost struck out forty batters of his batters uh
and had a walk rate at eight percent. Uh, that's
insane for a large bodied high school pitcher. And I
don't think again, I'll probably keep talking about orgs. I
don't think Washington gets the you know, the credit that

(30:33):
they're due. In my opinion. Maybe it's because it's still early.
But between him and some of the you know, DJ
Hurts in the major league level, Yarland below him a
little bit later in our ranks, Uh, they're doing well.
So I think Psychora. I mean, he's six foot six,

(30:56):
he's two hundred plus pounds, like two thirty two forty,
he's a riety and he's got just this great extension
when he throws. He's this guy is going to be
at worse than the means eater, but he's looking like
he's going to be a lot more than.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
That fastball slider. The command is it not fully it's
not horrible, it's not fully there yet.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
So he's he's young.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, I was gonna say, he's only played single A,
so it'd be fun to watch him come up the ranks.
I had, well, I have him at twelve, so I
didn't him like a lot lower, just a little bit lower,
so you know, no knock on him. Just anxious to
see how he how he continues to develop, and how
that control the command rather develops. Our next ten are

(31:43):
Brandon Sproute, your own Susannah, Ricky Tiedeman, Rtt louder A,
J Smith, Shauver, Hirston Waldrip, Quinn Matthews, Thomas White, Kate Horton,
and Jacob mizzy Rowski. We talk about the miz for
a minute. Sure, I had him, you and I were

(32:04):
both hired in the group. I had him in my
top ten. I just got an electric fastball, and I
just worried that there's reliever risks. So in spite of that,
where I still ranked him high. But if I were
to put a word of caution about him, is he
looks like he would be a great closer, which is

(32:25):
great for closing games, but not great for ranking potential
starting pitchers. So what else? What else do you like
about him? You think that puts us higher than the group? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
I mean the kid is he's even taller. I don't
have him pulled up right now, but he's even taller
than six', Seven, yeah which is getting up there and
difficult to. Repeat the motion. Territory it's actually probably a
past where that starts to be a concern more. Often,
yeah but, yeah he's another. One he has that side

(32:59):
arm delivery are not full side. Arm but you know
What i'm, saying that low, drop that low pitching, angle
and he was throwing one hundred miles an. Hour as you,
said the fallback of a late inning relief guy is
what's the. Most it's a great floor and a have
and the next great thing to have as a support

(33:24):
of that floor is the organization like The, brewers who
have had success developing pitchers like, him both as starters
and as. Relievers so that just gives me more confidence
in his floor and whether that is in the rotation
or as a as a closer in the relatively near. Future.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
YEAH i think one of the his walk rates have
been fourteen percent last year and the year, before and
that's part of the and we look at at. That,
however you're going to, laugh but you, know they're a
very tall pitcher who threw very, hard who had walk

(34:10):
rates in the, thirteen, twelve seventeen percent before he finally
started landing his foot in the same place and controlling his.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Motion is he currently a professional? Photographer he, is.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
As a matter of, fact, yes ladies and, gentlemen we're
talking About Randy. Johnson AS i was preparing for, this
LIKE i cannot bring this, up BUT i. CAN'T i
keep coming back to. IT i remember when he was
a young, player and actually the first year is playing.
Fantasy he, was he was, active and you know we're
talking about reading something about his landing foot was all

(34:43):
over the place and it's impacting his ability to throw strikes,
consistently and once he got control of, that he turned
into Ran Randy. JOHNSON i am not Comping Jacob mizzierowski
And Randy. JOHNSON i want to make that very clear right. Now,
however it is a fixable issue a lot of times

(35:05):
when it has to do with consistency in the. Motion
so you, KNOW i think the hope is, here and
like you, said that's an organization that has been successful
with their pitching. Development So i'm high on, him AND
i don't think we've talked a lot about him in the,
conversation SO i don't know what the concerns are that
the people. Had so you, know if you're in a

(35:27):
league and you're high on him and the manager has
got him, rostered is in the group that's not quite
so sure it might be worth a, Shot AND i
really think worst case scenario, is you, know five years
and you're looking at a pretty good closer and you
know saves and, holds probably still counting your, leagues but
it's not where we're spending our capital right, NOW i.
Guess and then the opposite of that are the perspectives

(35:52):
everybody had On Ricky. Tieteman you AND i were low on,
him and the group was. High the group had him at,
THIRTEEN i had him at twenty. Two you had him
at twenty. Six for, me it's straight out not trusting.
Me the health, issue there's just been so many injuries

(36:13):
and a number have been tied to you, know kind
of back in, core and the potential is just. GREAT
i just don't know he's ever going to get a
chance to show.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
It it was really surprising THAT i was the low
On teetaman because if you ask anyone WHO i ever
talked to About fantasy, BASEBALL i really like him AND
i have targeted him and probably rostered him in a
lot of my leagues over the. Years well currently even
still because Now i'm not going to trade. Him but,

(36:46):
yeah the injury, risk it's one of those Like i'm,
IN i realize That i'm, in And i'm not going
to try and move off of. Him, Yeah i'm either
going to go, Down he's going to go down with.
It i'm going to go down with the, ship Or
i'm gonna you, KNOW i don't know what the the
opposite of go down with your ship, is have him
hang out in the crow's. NEST i don't, know but,

(37:09):
yeah It's Ricky teeman's pretty much a known quantity as
much as as a prospect pitcher is could be lights
out three or four, pitches three pitches and just gigantic injury.
Risk everything with his arm with that motion results in an,
injury it seems. Like so hopefully he can get. Healthy

(37:31):
hopefully This timmy John is it was all him trying
to protect himself perhaps. BEFORE i don't, know But I'm
i'm hoping that we'll find out next.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Year, Yeah AND i don't Think toronto's been particularly, successful you,
know with their either the scouting or. Development so you
know then that organization THAT i have a lot of
bad things to say about and not a ton of confidence.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Either, NO i, agree they're relatively neutral in their development
on pitch.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
And one more NAME i want to throw out BEFORE
i toss it over to you is A. J Smith.
SHAUBER i want to DESCRIBE A. J Smith shouber's twenty
twenty three season for. YOU. Ok, so he's drafted in
twenty twenty one as an eighteen year. Old in twenty,
two pitched sixty eight innings At SINGLE, a and twenty

(38:22):
twenty three Started HIGH a fourteen, innings promoted To DOUBLE
a after seven, innings promoted To TRIPLE a after forty one.
Innings promoted to The major, leagues where he pitched twenty five,
innings all of that as a twenty year. Old. Yep
and then last year two innings in high mostly eighty

(38:43):
seven In TRIPLE a before well night before in the
middle of there were four innings with The. Braves that's
a definition of rushing a guy through the. System and
he's Not Paul. Skeens you know he's not the guy
you're gonna rush through. ASSISTS i have no. IDEA i
like the. GUY i have him ranked probably the highest

(39:04):
of the. GROUP i had him number thirteen and overall
we had him at at. FIFTEEN i think a lot
of people are giving up on. Him, saying, oh you,
know you can't hack it at the. Majors he's a
four day pitcher or. WHATEVER i don't think he ever
had the chance to develop moving that. Quickly, WELL i
guess a. Brave i've seen The braves do. It we've
all seen The braves do it with position, players But

(39:25):
i've not seen progression like that be successful with many
pictures at. All probably try to pick a, couple but
that's just a really surprising. Thing and so that's WHY
i think that you don't see his name on a
lot of top twenty. Lists and you, Know i'm glad
the whole, group you, know we all kind of had
him in the same area generally because we've got him

(39:46):
in our top, twenty AND i think that's the right
thing to do with the. Guy but that's a player
THAT i think fantasy manages out there you can probably
get your hand, on AND i think three years from
now you'd be really glad that you.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Did, yeah you, know you hit the nail on the
head about being. Rushed it was if you remember that
twenty Three braves, team they were they needed any arm
they could, get And shaver was developing well in the,
minors but he was not major league. Ready that slider
is what came to haunt him at last. YEAR i
think he didn't have anything to pair with his fastball

(40:19):
and which led to him having to go back and
rework on. Everything funny that you Mentioned. Skiens he's actually
younger Than, skiens so he was pitching in the majors
a whole year Before, skeens who was deemed actually fully,
ready whereas otherwise you had this kid just still making
his way through the minor leagues like every other. Pitcher. Almost,

(40:41):
yeah he's more ready probably now he's probably more of
an actual, pitcher whereas before he was just, successful a
successful minor. Leaguer who oh, shit it's my turn sort of.
Thing not that he was. NERVOUS i have no clue
if he was a fish out of water, there but

(41:02):
that sort of. Situation so, yeah He's he's in a
great position from a fantasy perspective Because atlantis doesn't have
questions with their. Rotation but they don't seem to have
a lot of. Answers how's? THAT i don't, know you,
Know so his. Opportunity he'll probably start In TRIPLE, a,

(41:23):
RIGHT i, think and he'll probably be And we'll see
How Ian anderson and who else is up, There, Holmes
we'll see how that shakes out as the season starts
off once that kicks, In so, YEAH i like where
his value is right now to go shopping.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Hoping then cherry pick all the good. Names who do
you want to talk?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
About Brandon sproute was going to be the last ONE
i was going to mention On New York. Mets he's
kind of a kitchen sink. Type he's a bigger dude
and From. Florida drafted two years ago, now so last
year was his first full. Season he was. Successful he
went from LOW rf sorry HY a DOUBLE, a TRIPLE,

(42:08):
a boom boom, boom TRIPLE. A at the end of the,
year he wasn't as. Good he was not, good but
that's to be expected when you're in your first full professional.
Season he's just consistent on. EVERYTHING i don't know if
he's going to be a huge strikeout, guy but he's
probably going to be an efficient back end to maybe

(42:29):
mid occasional couple seasons kind of. Starter who again talking
about organizations that have question marks in the. Rotations The
New york that's already down two, pitchers so it could
be sooner than later that he gets his. Chance, so,
Yeah brandon's. BROTE i think he's a decent.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Spot yeah he. Was he was an un roster invite
to spring. TRAINING i think he's still probably still on the.
CAMP i think they started sending people down, yet and
they are surprisingly finn at pitching for all the money
they've been spending over the past few. Years SO i
think the opportunity is. THERE i think just Dumb hammill
might get a shot before. Him not that he's ranked

(43:09):
above him on any list THAT i have or That i've,
seen but just looking at who they've got projected at
The TRIPLE a, level and then they recently Signed Jose, urena.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
SO i used to hope he was going to be
good a young man of thirty.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Three, yeah BUT i can see he's. Broke getting a
chance is here or BECAUSE i don't, KNOW i don't
know who's out there who they could sign to fill the.
GAP i, MEAN i think THAT i think that the
opportunity is going to be, there and whether they want
to go with, him the showing this, progression but you,
know like you, said he's already a twenty four year,
old so you, know with the college experience behind. Me

(43:48):
you know At, florida you, know high pressure, program might
be able to handle, it but the skill set's definitely,
there you, know form to handle it at some. Point so,
AGAIN i don't Think i'll break camp with. Them won't
surprise me if he's if he's with them at some
point during the, year anybody.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
ELSE i Think Quinn, MATTHEWS i won't go into too
much detail with. HIM i think he people are a
little bit nervous about him again because of his end
of the season numbers when he finally got to TRIPLE,
a AND i think more so than they are with
brandon' Sprote his velocity gains were insane last. Year he
went from being a potential inning eating type to someone

(44:28):
who was striking batters. Out moved up. Quickly also through
The cardinals. System you, know The cardinals voodoo that they
used to be known, for you, know in the early
two thousands with their pitching. Staffs maybe it's striking here
With Quinn, Matthews i'm not as nervous about him this.

(44:48):
YEAR i think it was just a gas running out
of gas. Situation so, Yeah Quinn, MATTHEWS i think you
know you might have one of those barry managers in
your lake who rosters him could be worth kicking the.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Tires good. Call so our next group of ten are
twenty one two thirty Are, Jackson, Ferris, Cayden, dana Tink,
Kents Cam, Kimminitti Moiss, Chess, Trey Ya, Savage Brody, Bret, Emiliano,
Toyoto Nobel meyer And Jonah. Toong i'm gonna go to

(45:26):
the headline, Here. CHRIS i THOUGHT i was like the
lowest person in the industry on Tink, Kents no AM i,
Not BUT i was higher than the group you're about,
one but and WANT i don't. Know it's nothing personal
against Tink, kents EXCEPT i get a little, stubborn you,

(45:47):
know playing my flag. IN i still think it's very
good chance he'll be a reliever in the long. Run
AS i, Said but he had a thirty four percent k,
rate eight percent walk, rate twenty five point nine k
minus walk. Rate best picture is to change up throwing
it really. Well his command is actually getting. Better you.
Know the, FASTBALL i think the late's GRADE i saw

(46:09):
on it was a fifty grade. Fastball so he's not
the fireballer that people, thought he's just, really really, effective
and much more effective THAN i would have said twelve months.
Ago i'm not going to be the team Kent, sky
but he is getting, Better like, yeah His i'm looking
at past, grades which is a feature on fangrass are

(46:32):
weekly plug For. Fangraphs he had like his seventy grade
sixty grade fastball in twenty two twenty, three and it's
going the wrong way right. Now actually the twenty five
reports down to forty, five but the change up there
was seventy great change. Up the command is gone from
thirty five to forty. Five the future value has gone
from forty plus to. Fifty so he's. Adapting you talk

(46:57):
about org. Development somebody's working with him and, say, hey
you know you control these other pitches, better let's work
on those so, sounds coachable. Sounds the development's working and
he's moving up and you AND i are buying in
before everybody else is how what's going on?

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Here, well, yeah he's got the. Stuff it could be
that he's working on. Something, YEAH i was actually surprised
when you just read that. OFF i did not compare
my team kent. RANKING i have more trepidation, too and
maybe we need to drop him down her personal. RANKS
i think based on our reactions, here he could be

(47:33):
a number. Two you, know he does have that sort of,
stuff but not quite as confident in that. Outcome you,
know IF i was the you, know put the percentages on,
IT i would be much lower on his TURNING i
into a number two than we would have been with you,
know we talked About missierowski having bullpen. Risk i'd be

(47:54):
much more confident in him remaining an outstanding all star level.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Starter but So tink And Quinn, matthews both in The
Saint louis, organization, YEP i have him ranked side by,
side similar numbers in terms of THE k came at
his walk, right actually similar number across the board on
the on the grating as. Well but You're i'm much
higher On.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Matthews, WELL i Mean tink, Also i'm not quite sure
why he was at DOUBLE a all of last. Year you,
know the The cardinals didn't move and move him out
of that. Level and that's the thing a note to,
me because especially because he pitched fifty innings there in twenty,

(48:38):
three so it wasn't like it was his first taste
and he only got eighty innings overall last, year SO
i might be missing an injury of some. Sort but
that's the other. Thing, also he's had some durability, issues so,
yeah it's just it's more trepidation.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Overall, yeah he had Some it was like back in,
right lat discomforts What i'm reading, Here so it wasn't shoulder,
elbow although AS i said, EARLIER i do worry about
back injury, histories but it's being listed as discomfort more
than there's no surgery involved or anything like. That, yeah
and who, knows maybe without the baptist comfortable see and

(49:15):
trying to throw more of the fastballs, again polarizing, PLAYER
i mean people who love, him really love. Him had
some people that come at me and either trade offers
WHERE i stain in themeric highly as the person who
was offering, him and or back on The twitter exit
last year on a few Things i'd posted about, Him
but then other people who are down on him are

(49:36):
way down on. Him so, yeah put a star next
to that, one Because i'm really interested to where that.
Goes who do you like on that? List we want
to talk?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
About you, KNOW i really, WELL i was trying to
pick my words nicely. Here so we have THREE fipd
guys fallen in. Here we have Cam cam And, Eddy
Tredya savage And. Brody i'm actually kind of surprised that
all three of them because if you look at most,
Fypds kimmandity might be a top twenty FIVE fypd guy

(50:10):
trays right around there, perhaps and Then bract seems to
be like a whole round round at least behind. Them
SO i like What i'm eventually getting at here is
THAT i like how as a group we were bullish
are bullish On Brody brect because the dude's got that

(50:31):
crazy fastball slider. Combo, again this circles back to all
of our previous discussions injury risk, potentially but the guy is,
huge he's, thick he's a country fed, boy and he
also Will it's currently in The COLORADO raqi, organization WHICH
i think is what everyone pumps the brakes on in

(50:53):
THE fypd, scenarios which if you remember a year, AGO
i Think chased A under was in that same boat
where everyone was, like oh, no he's gonna be pitching In. Colorado,
uh and look where he is. Now SO i Think
i'm not necessarily camping the two. Arms But i'm just,
saying look what happened if you Got chase late in AN.

(51:15):
FYPD i Think Brody breck could be having some similar
rise if he's successful in the minor leagues there as.
Well so and he also has a great with that,
slider that killer. Slider h he could definitely be end
of the you, know back into the bullpen kind of.
Guy so very in very short order. Too so it's

(51:37):
it's almost a major league ready pitch.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Already from WHAT i can, Tell i'm lowering all those.
THREE i think we really both as an, industry AND
i think our group this year were really high ON fipd,
players AND i didn't quite. UNDERSTAND i THINK fipd pitching
is the hardest thing to, rank even, yeah within within
THE fipd, itself like putting them in a in some

(52:00):
sort of ordinal, order and then integrate your way to
integrate it with our overall. Rankings SO i think that's
a channels. ALREADY i had two of those in my.
Fifties you're not, Alone you're not.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Alone just to, SORRY i interject real, QUICK i actually
had all three of, them plus ANOTHER fypd GUY i
had them all bunched together at forty to forty three,
myself So i'm lower on. THEM i was just intrigued
by the seeing all three of them up, there and
THEN i Think bracked is the one to me out

(52:31):
of THOSE i could most likely even THOUGH i have
him the fourth out of that, GROUP i could definitely
see him being the most valuable in short.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
ORDER i think you're right about that. Too AND i
didn't hold that organization against him at, all and that's
not the REASON i had him. Down it's just more
of the PLAYERS i have hired them have put up
some really decent numbers at DOUBLE a HIGH, a AND
i just not that you have to earn your way
up my, list AND i don't want to sound like.
THAT i just feel LIKE i don't know that the, Numbers,

(53:01):
yeah the verious scouting we have kind of really, mandates
except for you know that the guys we're talking about.
EARLIER i Think Burmston smith are you, know good enough
to talk about it at that. Level but after, that
it's like there's just so much unknown and we know
more about the other players THAT i just couldn't couldn't do, It,
chris it's. Forgivable oh thanks? Man who?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Else, Yeah so if we're going down to number, thirty
let's jump actually up down one To emiliano And toyoto
The Texas. Rangers he's someone WHO i think is going
to probably pop through the bullpen In. Texas they have
actually a decent amount of. DEPTH i KNOW i made

(53:45):
that joke about de Gramming rocker. Earlier they do have
a decent amount of pitching. Depth starting pitching. DEPTH i
think he's going to come through in their, bullpen which
is a lot more question, marks and we'll see what
he's able to do when he gets up. There but
he's in his doing the quick math. Here his fourth

(54:08):
full year and last year is really when he started
to actually get those peripherals in line with some of
those high strikeout rates that he was having. Before his
era in twenty three was four and a. Half dropped
that down to just under two at one nine to
eight last year in DOUBLE, a which is a great.

(54:29):
Move he's he's not racking up a lot Of. Indians
he's only his max was last year at eighty. Six
he's only pitched eighty one other year in his professional,
career so it makes a lot of sense for him
to move to the. Bullpen perhaps he's got a slider
and a power sinker type, thing but he can strike

(54:53):
him out and they have a need in their. Bullpen
SO i think that's how he's going to break. Through
and we'll see if he ends up moving back in
uh into the rotation at some, point or if he's
one of those that just sticks there in the. Bullpen.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
YEAH i THINK i picked him up on a number of,
teams particularly in shower shallower leagues where he was you, know,
available and grabbed him earlier THEN i needed to just,
says you, know watching some of those, numbers like you,
know it's kind of electric some of the, fastballs but
he walks too many. GUYS i, mean he's got walk
rates fourteen and you, know you you really want to

(55:31):
see that under ten. Percent and and that's that's the
kind of profile to see somebody profile you see from
somebody moving into the. Bullpen so that's WHAT i would
project for. Him and, uh you, know as you, Said
i'm not not alone with that fun to. WATCH i
MEAN i would like to, see uh see him make

(55:53):
us we kind of see him pitch. More BUT i
think the bullpen is going to be his. Future he's effectively,
wise he effectively. Wild it means everybody's nobody's digging in.
RIGHT i don't want to catch when of those older
like Moss chasse is an interesting name there as. Well
he's From Vennis, WAY i, believe and big fastball was

(56:21):
In DOUBLE a In philadelphia last. YEAR i think he's
got a potential of you, know they've got a future
grade of a eighty on his. Fastball and he came
over from from The baltimore, system moved right Into DOUBLE
a With, philadelphia where he pitched nineteen innings and in
those nineteen innings he struck out thirty five. Players. Yep

(56:44):
that's a lot at any. Level he was twenty one
years old when he did, that so it wasn't In double.
A'S i think you don't talk about age the level
too much once you get to DOUBLE a, anyway BUT
i think there's a very lively arm. There it's been
a feels like a Slow builks who's signed as an
eight year old In, baltimore but again only twenty one
In double A'S a that's a young man and one

(57:07):
THAT i don't think a lot of people were paying
much attention to until his name started kind of showing
up in the in the trade and people, are you,
know looking into what process get traded and who was
he and things like. That but his walk rate has
not been, great not quite as bad as some of
those we've talked, about but it's kind of been up
and down at different stops along the. Way so he's

(57:27):
the NAME i think is going to move up this
list in the next year or. SO i don't think he's,
gonna you, know break into the majors anytime too. Soon probably,
definitely not twenty, Five maybe in twenty, six depends on
how the development. Goes but it's the NAME i haven't
seen a lot of people talking, about and you kind
of see showing up waiver wires or somebody's kind of
willing to trade if they don't know if they have.

(57:50):
There but that's the name of this GROUP i really
think is going to be a fun one to. Watch.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
YEAH i actually just wrote a blurb on him for
the site for our minor League. Prospects, Yeah Pitching prospects
wrote that this morning or. Whatever, YEAH i, MEAN i
agree across the board his what was that thirty six
percent or something like. That k minus walk rate after the.

(58:15):
Trade that's, that's you, know the things that definitely makes
him in that holy cow. Category let's start, swiping swooping
him up EVERYWHERE i. Can he's not a tall, guy
SO i don't know in those walk, RATES i mean

(58:35):
the innings he pitched. In he only pitched twenty innings
after the, trade and there could be some some small
sample sized noise in all of. IT i don't want
to pour too much water on. IT i think the
strikeout rate is probably not a small sample sized noise
as much as the potential walk. Rate SO i don't

(58:57):
Think bullpen is necessarily out of his future, yet but
he's definitely let's just say. Lessened our strengthened his case
for a rotation type spot mm.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Hmm and then jump down to the next. Group anybody
else you want to talk about?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Here, no let's go?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Okay Uh, So our thirty one to forty Include Ryan,
Sloan Chase, Petty, Logan, Henderson Alejandro, Rosario gary Gil, Hill Sean,
Burke Jaden, Ham Yiro, Iriarte Santiago, suarez And Gilbert. DIAZ
a quick Note, rosario we had higher and then as

(59:43):
we were discussing this is when as gingjury came, out,
Right so we were talking about we did move him
down because the, injury like.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Maybe like twenty spots or SO i THINK i dropped.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Him, yeah ACTUALLY i had. HIM i had him much higher, myself.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
So maybe that's. Fifteen, sorry but that's.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
When you, know we were talking earlier about what his
gingery you, do so if you were to see her individual,
sheets would see him. Higher but then after, that it's, like,
okay if we're going to miss a year year and
a half on a three year, projection tend to move him.
Down so enough about. That Logan henderson is a name
that was off my. Radar in, FACT i made a

(01:00:18):
very embarrassing fille paul in a. Draft i'm, like oh my,
GOSH i THOUGHT i found this deep, guy and you
guys already had, him and it was, like he's not
deep through everybody's onto this. Guy BUT i, thought you
know what you're. Doing but, OKAY i don't know how to.
Happen it happens. People there's a lot of pictures out.
There Logan henderson's not. Bad when SHOULD i have picked
up on The Logan henderson.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Experience he was another fast riser last. Year and he's
also another guy THAT i wrote up this. Morning it's
kind of. Funny i'm just pulling him up again real.
Quick but, YEAH i think he jumped through a couple. Levels, Yeah,
hia The TRIPLE a he was striking. Out the thing

(01:00:59):
is with him is he's a, fastball change up. Guy
not that that can't. Work and we've talked about this topic.
BEFORE i get a little hesitation if they don't have
a high strikeout pitch to go along with. It but
the fact that he was In DOUBLE a striking out

(01:01:20):
thirty two percent of the batters, still you, know and
another twenty seven percent At TRIPLE a when he's pitching
his you, know sixty to eightieth innings of professional not a,
professional but of the, year he's showing, that you, know

(01:01:40):
this guy can make it work strikeout batters at these
advanced levels with THE abs, system with the you, know
with The Major League Baseball so those are good. Signs
he probably shouldn't have been aware of him a year
ago unless you're a Diehard brewers, Fan but this summer

(01:02:01):
is when he started. Popping he's got a good chance
of making uh making his way To milwaukee this. Year
he's also not a big. Guy there could be you,
know it might not play as well as we're all
hoping because he's that control. Type but, uh we'll. See
if he can give it another pitch in, there just

(01:02:22):
even an average slider to help keep people the batter's off,
balance then we've got ourselves a real eye. Opener But
i'm cautiously optimistic right now In Logan.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Henderson so you're not all in like some people.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Are, no BUT i think he should be rostered in
a lot of leagues because of his, proximity because of his.
Stats you, know if you're a ten staff, type he's
probably one that you want to grab because he's doing.
Well he's probably not super expensive in a, trade and
he's he's. Close so, yeah that's that's my criteria for,

(01:03:01):
HIM i.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Think, YEAH i think one of the reasons THAT i
had been kind of keeping him down in rankings is
again that fastball. Change you, know you just said. It
it can be, effective but you, know no curveball to speak,
of and the, sliders a forty grade, slider it's they're

(01:03:22):
going to sit on the fastball or it's sit on the,
change and either, way major league hitters are going to
hit on. That but The milwaukee, system we've talked about it,
before we'll talk about it, again is a great system
being if you're a. Pitcher So jade And ham is
a name in this in this, Group jade And haam
plays with The tigers and in they are very high

(01:03:43):
on this young man AND i think that he's starting
to get some national, recognition least in the fantasy world as.
Well but twenty two year. Old they drafted in twenty
three out of the fifth. Round so twenty one's played
high a last year after playing single of the year.
Before thirty percent k, rate seven percent walk. Rate you. Know,

(01:04:05):
Again detroit is doing well well with their. Pitching not
a lot more to say about. Them so what's a
big guy and what's? Not because you just said a
six two hundred pounder is not a big. Guy if
you're walking down an alley with, ME i think gold
this big guy walking towards. Me but, yeah he's No Randy,
johnson you, Know Jada ham sixty one one Ninety so

(01:04:27):
again not that six four six, five but Not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Yeah, SORRY i shouldn't say not a big guy to.
Me that's an average picture, height not anything of, concern
but it doesn't scream, necessarily you, know the the dream pictures, frame, Right, yeah, yeah,
sorry you're, no, no, no, NO i should have been. APOLOGIZED
i should thank you actually for calling me out on.

(01:04:52):
That to be more uh specific to our listeners who
might be pulling up and being, like, look how big Is?
CHRIS i am six foot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Seven you've got an amazing camera, though kind of bring
in the. Frame so that's kind of one NAME i
had on this. List anybody else do you want to talk? About?

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
SORRY i was oh. Chuckling, still, YEAH i mean, Really
Ryan sloan is the other NAME i. Know, Again i'm
apparently on THIS fypd Kick he's my number one outside
of the top. Two he's the first Arm i'm taking
in AN. FYPD i had him at actually thirty the
group had him at thirty, one SO i think we

(01:05:40):
have a lot of like minds. Here but he's a big.
Guy he got drafted by a great pitching development. Org
they might not rush, him but they will make sure
he maximizes his. Ability he's got that low. Slot, Also oh,
No i'm, Sorry, ryan someone does NOT i. Apologize i'm
going off the top of my head. Here but he's

(01:06:01):
he's a big, Frame he's a big six four six five,
guy And i'm excited to see his, development AND i
he's my number. ONE i would IF i had to
choose any of these right, Now i'd be kind of
For Ryan song out of this, group unfortunately Because rosario
would have been my. Choice but Obviously Tommy john SO

(01:06:24):
i think that's obviously gonna slow him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Down two names on this, list SUIT i have ros
shared a lot of, places ARE i Ro Erie rte
With chicago And Santiago suarez With Tampa, bay WHO i
kind of lumped. Together and there are a couple of
names that probably about a year. AGO i don't think
it was really much before. That it could have been
a little bit. Longer we're getting bounced around a, lot you,

(01:06:47):
know young names on the, rise you, know keep an eye,
on and a lot of people saying like, you you,
know you've got to get Get suarez now where you're
gonna feel like you missed. Out and that's kind of.
PLATEAUED i, mean the hype is, plateaued and And suarez his,
Case i'm not quite sure why because his his k

(01:07:07):
rates is still very, high is his walk rates are
still very. Low i'm looking, at you, know some of
the other stats we, HAVE i. DON'T i don't see
any reason why it would come. Down his future grade
in the command is still much higher than the present,
grade so they're still looking for even more growth. There
but WITH k and walk grate, DIFFERENTIAL i. DON'T i
don't know whether people want to see a HIGHER k

(01:07:28):
rate or. Not but he's someone WHO i would think
is still a name to watch and to keep a
close eye. On Irie. Arete on the other, hand he's
still walking too many, hitters SO i can kind of
see why people are talking about him. Less and he
didn't do that. Grade he pitched a few winnings In

(01:07:50):
chicago with The white in the major's last six innings
last year or so really, nothing you, know talk about
your small sample, sizes, right nothing to go on. There
did strike out, six but even in double a last,
year eight strikeouts for nine and four walks for. Nine
so whether it's the you move From San diego To,
chicago or maybe we're just kind of wrong about, him you,
know early on in the you, know kind of development

(01:08:13):
hasn't been. There so two guys who in my mind
so much situations but then the paths are starting to.
Diverge you had any any either them rostered anywhere they've
been on your radar at?

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
All, actually herie Arete in a thirty, man a guy
dropped him someone IN i mean surprisingly, right one thousand
dollars fab. BUDGETS i. TRY i spent my last three
hundred dollars on. Him this IS i don't. Know In,
august probably at some POINT i was just like knowing, that,

(01:08:45):
yes his ear had not been that successful to the,
point BUT i figured in a thirty man, especially he's
a name that should be. Rostered, yeah and so he
had a weird twenty four and yes he's walked, everyone
and he walked people at the same. Rate his strikeout
rate drop. Substantially AND i, WONDER i do not, know

(01:09:10):
BUT i wonder if it's Was chicago working on something with,
him one of those kinds of cases where you just have,
this or if it's more of just The peter, principal
what is it you rise to the level of very,
incompetence not obviously trying to say he's incompetent by any,
means but more that he's a good lower level pitcher

(01:09:35):
and not as successful when he faces batters who don't
have to wait for a. Fastball it's. Debatable i'm not
quite in or out on eerie are, day but it'll
be interesting to see how his year starts. Off and
he is on the forty man because he made The
majors last, YEAR i think he'll probably be up and

(01:09:56):
probably pitch a decent amount Of major. BEAGUINNINGS i just
don't know if he'll be there at the start the. Year,
suarez on the other, HAND i just don't think his
strikeout numbers are going to be. There everything he's, control he's, control, control,
Control so far he could be, effective BUT i don't
know if he's going to be a fantasy value when

(01:10:16):
all of a sudden done because he's age. Appropriate but
he's still barely getting A k per nine and not
a huge. Concern BUT i would for my fantasy, TEAMS
i want someone who's striking out more, batters especially at
those lower.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Levels and THEN i do have a nine o'clock, here
BUT i do want to jump into the forty one through. Fifty,
uh not just because it's a round, number but there's
a name in HERE i really want to talk. About
so our forty one to fifty unless there's something the
other GROUP i should Know Wing Deep, Brown Okayry, old
J tr thirty, Is Zebbie, Matthews Owen, Murphy Jake, Bloss, Winston, Santos, Braxton,

(01:10:56):
Ashcraft George, Classen Thomas, Harrington Luis, paralyss K. C, hunt
And Robbie. Snelling and AS i read, them there's a
lot of interesting names. Here But i'm going to jump right.
IN i want to talk ABOUT. K. C, hunt WHO
i had much much much. Higher you had much much much.
LOWER i don't have our full group in SO i
don't know everybody else, was but let, me, uh for

(01:11:19):
the for the folks at, home talk About Casey hunt
for a little. Bit Another milwaukee. PITCHER i swear we
do look at other. Organizations last year over it looks
like three. Levels you. KNOW i was a twenty three
year old thirty FIVE k, rate six percent walk, rate
twenty point four k minus walk, rate two point oh

(01:11:41):
three year e, er a two point two NINE fip
fastball grading out at fifty with slider at sixty curve
and change that forty five command up at. FIFTY i
think that's a really strong. PROFILE i been able to
roster from a lot of. Places people just aren't on him.

(01:12:01):
YET i don't think it's maybe because that was really
a first full year he. Drafted trying to figure that
the whole looks like he was drafted at high, school The,
pirates didn't, sign and then was a non drafted free
agent the following year or, somehow but Played Atssissippi. State,
yeah so in twenty twenty four there were nineteen innings

(01:12:24):
at SINGLE, a fifteen innings at HIGH, a thirty two
innings at DOUBLE. A AND i just kind of read
his competente numbers. THERE i don't see anything in here
that gives me a whole lot of reason to, go, Well,
drew you're going overboard in this, guy just over a
few good numbers there there consistently looks strong doing argument
might be an age to level, thing But i'm not seeing.

(01:12:46):
That i'm not sure what the you, know what the
concern is and the thoughts was he just not on your?
RATE i want to answer you a question for, You
what do you, Think?

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Chris i'm trying to see how LOW i was on? Him,
YEAH i. WAS I he was an omit for me
THAT i ended up putting on at the end to
give him a. Vote, yeah he was off my. RADAR
i am aware of, him but that would probably be the,
end pulling him up and. LOOKING i didn't realize that

(01:13:17):
he's also got a swinging strike rate in the upper
mid you, know i'd call it upper teen seventeen over
the course of all of last. Year there is some age.
Level but, yeah it's it's a pretty successful profile that
you just. OUTLINED i Think milwaukee suffers from all of

(01:13:40):
their pop up names in a way THAT i should
Say milwaukee. SUFFERS i think it's difficult for. Me this
is much. Better you don't have to edit that one.
OUT i think it's much, difficult difficult for me AND
i assume others when you have all these pop up
names in one org that sometimes which one is the pop?
Up which one will be the cream that? Rises AND

(01:14:05):
i was aware Of hunt AND i THINK i never
got the gave him the diligence to actually look in
and try and separate him out from everyone. Else so
my apologies on. That there you, go no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Needed, yeah So i'll trying to put all. Together, well
he Was he was a two way player and drafted
By pittsburgh in the twelfth round of the twenty two
draft and then didn't sign with him and it was
signed by The brewers the following. Year so he.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Probably went to independent ball or.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Something i'm looking at baseball. References he then went back
and Played Mississippi state in twenty. Three oh, okay, look
just undrafted coming out at that. Point didn't have a
good year pitching in twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Three, yeah so no prep pedigree and, yeah no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Pedigree probably wanted to be you, know when the story finally,
DEVELOPS i think we're going to find out if he
wanted to be a fielder and some coach your scout
finally said your futures in, pitching and looks like from
the profile WHAT i, See i'm guessing the story is
he just focused on pitching, recently been very successful at
it so. Far so for whatever, reason, listeners it's a

(01:15:14):
name that not everybody's in on. That in my, opinion
this is the time to get in on. THEM i, think,
yeah those kind of numbers, continue they'll strike getting snapped
up pretty early in the. Season we impact any other
name you want to pick out it, here and then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
We Can, yeah who DID i? HAVE i Had Owen
murphy on here as someone who Pops speaking of busy
organizations and pop up, Names murphy was a guy who
was starting to pop up as a as a former
high school draft pick last, year and he was Touching

(01:15:50):
HIGH a and he was striking out thirty eight percent
of his batters and ended up going Under Tommy. John
so the fact that this is Glass, spring the fact
that we still have him in our top, FIFTY i
think just underlines the relative value that the group holds,

(01:16:12):
him holds to, him because if you, remember we Dropped
rosario down about fifteen, spots theoretically you have a lesser
name In Owen, murphy who's also Undergoing Timmy john and
is closer to, returning could be someone, who out of,
sight out of, mind could be someone that you could
start going. After don't have any numbers to support, that,

(01:16:34):
really other than what he started to do as a
twenty year old in HIGH a a year. Ago but
just keep an eye out and maybe he's reached your
waiver wire at this. Point so it could be had
for almost, nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
All, Right and that's The atlantic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
System he, said, yes, SORRY i may have lost over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
That, yeah all, Right so what do we say next?
Steps so we'll be looking at our overall dynasty, rankings
but we'll look at our deeper prospects as, Well so
this would be a good place to pick up and then,
uh you, know dig deeper there. AGAIN i love talking
about the pitching and there's so many fun names down,

(01:17:15):
there so many different things you can you can look,
at so and such a need for. Pitching, yeah that's That's,
uh everyone's got two, catchers but everybody's got eleven. Pictures so,
uh there's a reason we go deeper the pictures because
a lot of these names we are going to see
even though maybe in the bullpen but for some of,
them but but you never. Know so we'll pull it together, Here,

(01:17:37):
chris great. Talk thank you. Again yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Awesome that was for this probably one of our longest.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Episodes, yeah, YEAH i know it was and uh AND
i say we could keep, going but let's cut off. Here.
Yeah so, yeah thanks for all the insight and uh
and all that you do and to all our, listeners
as we said around the, world thank. You we know
you're time is, valuable and again thank you for spending
some of it with. Us take.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
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