NEWSTALK SAUGA960 NOVEMBER 9, 2024

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Speaker 3 (00:53):
Heretofore and then going forward known as ground zero.

Speaker 5 (00:57):
Yeah, so I I went to bed without like, I
didn't pay a ton of attention to the election night
coverage there was I was playing hockey.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
There's a hockey game, your privilege, sir.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
But well also because in years past, it's usually like
a couple of days later that we sort of find out,
or back.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
In the day it was same day every time.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
But lately it's sort of shifted to we don't We
don't find out until you know, if we're gonna find
out soon, it will usually be overnight mm hmm. But
this was not the case. For this. I so I
went to bed, uh somewhat like hopeful, Like I was
watching some of the early stuff and then I was
I was sort of telling myself, well, no, that's always

(01:43):
the Republicans always lead first. It's always just sort of
happens that way until the other stuff comes in.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
But a lot of the you know, lefty shows I
watched were like, well, you know she's gonna win North Carolina. Yeah,
so that's an early return. And so when that came
back and she wasn't really doing that.

Speaker 5 (02:03):
Well yeah, it was like, yeah, I couldn't. I just
I didn't want to watch it anyway becaus just stress
stressing me up. But the when I woke up and
I opened my phone and I saw like Trump wins,
I was like my stomach went like in my heart,
like h and just for so many I mean, it's

(02:23):
so many reasons. It's just overwhelming knowing sort of what
I guess a lot of people don't don't really realize
is what this actually really means for the future of
not just the US, but of the world order. And
here in Canada. Uh, on that day, I kind of

(02:43):
wish that our countries are separated by an ocean and
not just a line like I feel. I feel like
I would like to be closer to some other countries
that are democracies, but here now we're sort of like,
uh fashion just adjacent. And I don't think it'll happen
right away. But you see what happened with the Ukraine

(03:07):
and Putin, you know, deciding he wanted more territory. Uh huh.
But so I don't worry.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I don't think we're wanting more territory.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah. So the I I have always suffered from depression,
and just to generalize, like I have a I have
a dystym ya, which they call the smiling depression for
some odd reason, which is kind of like I never
know to have, like he just kind of level. And
then once in a while I get like heavier depression.

(03:38):
Usually that's based on some kind of event, whether it's
like losing a job or or like breaking up. And
I almost like this sort of hit me and I'm
like I'm fighting and I'm fighting it because it was
such an overwhelming like thing, you know, so I can
and then I thought, wow, I can't imagine this is me.
I'm I'm adjacent to this. So when you when you

(04:00):
finally realized that this was the case. What was your
what were you thinking?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
It was like I went to bed and woke up
at two thirty in the morning as I often do,
and went down the hall and it was like, I'm
not going to look. And then I was like, I
guess I'm not going to go back to sleep, so
I'll just look. And that's what they want. They want
a fascist they want a fascist state. They want to
you know, uh, you know. I actually had popped in

(04:25):
on a I'm friends with the shopkeeper here locally, and
I walked in. I was like, Election Day, who do
you think is gonna win? He thought Trump was gonna win? Yeah,
it's like and another friend of mine and had also
said blah blah blah blah blah blah. And now you know,
this is weeks ago that Trump's gonna win, and uh, yeah,

(04:46):
Well the weird happy to live in a bubble of
the dial I guess.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I yeah, I don't know. But there's there's definitely a
lot of like I don't want to be like a
conspiracy theory guy, but there's definitely a lot of anomalies
with how things went down in terms of of you
look at the home stretch where he Trump could barely
fill like a high school arena with people, and they're
walking out like it just seemed like everyone has just

(05:10):
sort of said that, you know enough of this guy.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
And he went on podcasts. He went on bro podcast.
That's true, he did, and he did something you know
in twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty, well I can't remember
which year is probably twenty, but James Carville was you
know who since he won in nineteen nine two has been,
you know, just the golden boy of the Democratic Party establishment,

(05:35):
I guess, although he does have some hot takes that
I agree with. But anyway, he said, you know that
you can't, like in the Bernie campaign, he was like,
you can't motivate these people to vote that don't vote.
He's a political science has proven blah blah blah. And

(05:55):
I was like, what are you talking about? What do
you mean political science provement? You get people ready to
vote and then they vote, then you've disproven political science.
Well that's what Trump just did. Yeah, disproved political science.
You can motivate young men to vote because you can
be you know, like, yeah, we're for the boys. Yeah,
and you need to go for this because I mean,

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but you know the stuff.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
You know, it's a perfect scenario for them too, because
it's it's not just where the boys. It's like there's
a woman who's one of the candidates, and so us
guys go stick together.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well it's not even that, I think. It's just like,
you know, why can't you buy a house? Well, private
equity has bought you know, some large number of single
family homes. Yeah, you know, why are rents out of control?
Well there's no caps on rent and rent seeking is ubiquitous,
you know why, I mean, why is there a price

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skelegon why?

Speaker 1 (06:49):
You know?

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I mean like this administration is not going to solve
any of those things. But then the left wing administration,
such as it is, didn't solving those things either. And
you know, I've always I've seen a thing a few
years ago that was, like, the reason you end up
with fascism is the failure of left parties to provide
like a socialist alternative. Essentially, Yeah, yeah, here we are,

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but they can't be.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
But this is and this is the thing is I
I I if I had to Well, for first, let's
say I was talking a little bit about the anomalies,
but because also it's weird that that the popular vote
went to a Republican for the first time I think

(07:33):
in twenty years, and then the turnout was everyone's talking
about record turnout, record turnout, but less people voted, like
like twenty million less people voted.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Oh, there's like record early vote turnout.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
That's it too. Yeah. Well, the other thing is in
a lot of places the whole down ballot is blue,
and then and then Trump is the president. So I
don't know. I still there's some part of me that that.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Okay, you know, Biden's Israel policy alienated not just not
just like depressed, but alienated people. People were outraged at that.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Well, I saw, I saw. I think it was in
Dearborn where Jill Stein got like like a huge amount
of the vote. Uh sure, but okay, So one thing
I want to talk about though, is that I would
say ninety percent of people who voted for Trump voted
against their own self interest because those person did Yeah,

(08:31):
but that's the thing that that's frustrating. They just don't realize, like,
you know, you look especially at those people who were, Wow,
I don't like Biden's policy in the middle of the East.
I don't like that. Uh, Trump is his best buddies
with who Netanya, who is a firm supporter, and Trump
is basically gonna gonna say do whatever you need to.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Dollan Donald and Mary and Agelson to say, you know,
she wants the West Bank to be annexed.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
So all of these people who were pro Palestine in
the US who are like, well, I can't vote for buying,
look at what he's really messing.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Up the issue is like for me and maybe for
you also, voting is a practical matter. It's not a
moral endorsement. Yeah, but for a lot of people it
is a moral endorsement. And so like when you have
that mentality talking people out of the idea that they're

(09:25):
on the hook you know morally for genocide, you're not
going to be able to do that. I mean, at
some level, perhaps we are on the hook for everything
the United States has ever done since we've been voting.
But you know, I an election is going to happen
whether you vote or not. Power is going to be
wielded whether you participate or not, So you should.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
And then the other other group that was came out
in space for I don't know, can you say that anymore.
Never this the other group, the Hispanic vote or the
Latino vote, came out in forced for Trump, and I
thought it was like, and it's I think there's that

(10:07):
that feeling of like, well, it's not me, I'm gonna
it's the other immigrants that are coming in.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It's not me, you gonna if they if they get
around to it, and the and the legal system has
been you know, arm twisted to accommodate them, they will
cancel people's naturalization.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's that. Well, even uh, you know, the Trump's not
favorite Nazi Stephen Miller posted that they're going to go
after a natural de naturalized, a denaturalized citizen.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
And so all these people who were like, well it's
I saw someone interviewing Hispanic voter. I think it was
an Arizona something. They were like, well, you know, he's
just gonna get rid of the bad ones, and it's like,
oh my god, I just want to shake off.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I saw a similar video where a woman was like
Hispanic woman. She was like, yeah, my whole family hates me,
but you know they can be they'll get deported that
they can they can come come back legally. I'm like
the fact that you don't know what that process. It
takes ten years on average. I mean, what does that
look like? That is a byzantine and expensive process to

(11:11):
have an attorney. There's an immigration attorney that calls in
sometimes to my preferred talk show, and he said that
by the end of the Trump administration, they were wanting
like for immigrants from you know, anywhere, but to produce
like a credit score, like they have access to credit
cards as poor people in a central So oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Well, yeah, you saw sort of the start of work.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Like pull facts. It's like a literacy test for voting.
It's like all these things that they do structurally to
suppress something.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Yeah, they're not by deporting all these people, doesn't mean
they're opening up the borders to other people who were applying.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
That's not the plan through the immigration system. Uh.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Women, a lot of women voted against their own self
interests in terms of healthcare, their own healthcare.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Well, I you know, Trump ran away from the abortion issue,
and people choose to believe him.

Speaker 5 (12:10):
That's the problem. He's a jew of.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Him, a delusional choice.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
It is he hasn't ever.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Really thwarted the will of the Republican Party. If anyone's
been paying no, which they don't.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
And he's basically like he's let other people sort of
manage the Supreme Court. You have Leonard Leo who's sort
of doing that whole thing, and Trump just sort of
goes along with him and the Federalists whoever they suggest,
He's like, yep, okay. So women voted against their own
self interest. A lot of working class people voted against

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their own self interest because Trump's a known union buster
and he wants to get change the labor rules so
that people have to work more over time unpaid. I
think it was the one hundred and sixty hour work month.
They want to change it too.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, they want to go to like the two week
thing or something where basically you'll never get over time
again because they can always finail your schedule to make
it to work. You know, you can work these spending
hours in this ten days fan.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
So workers no more over time. Unions are going to
lose a lot of power under this administration. So if
you're a union worker. And then and then there's the
people who are a lot of people in the Red
States who maybe are relying on government services, whether it's
medicaid or it's social security, all of the basically the

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things that help you get by when you're an unfortunate circumstance.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Then there's also like the ACA which healthcare people. People
forget that. The other half of that was the patient
protection part of it.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
Pre existing conditions.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Return to pre existing conditions.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
Yeah, they're going to strip away all all that, So people,
a ton of people are going to lose their healthcare
they voted for.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
It's going crazy because corporate power be enhanced.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Well that's the thing. Yeah, try like if that's I
always say this is a sort of litmus test for
any kind of political candidate. Are they in this because
they they're someone who wants to help people, wants to
make life life better for people, or are they in
there because they want to make life better for themselves.
And we've seen in the past Trump administration that it

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was a apocrisy cleptocracy where basically everything he did was
to enrich his own his own brand, his own family,
his his son in law got a two billion dollar
infusion of cash after Trump left office for no real
discernible reason.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
So now we have to learn a new term, which
is cac astocracy. Have you heard that one yet I've
heard it.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, and what's.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
By the incompetent essentially.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
Well, yeah, there's that. And I was starting like you're
starting to see news items trickle out of who Trump
wants in his cabinets. Enough. Oh yeah, so that so
working class people, people who rely on benefits, people who.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
People have been abandoned by the Democratic Party.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
So that right, But they're not certainly not going to
be helped by an anti consciousness.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know, they don't have time to sit around and
study this on their own. That's also so their class
consciousness has got to be informed by things other than
you know, there used to be like labor newspapers one
hundred years ago, doesn't now there's no labor media. If
you're in a union and the union leadership is good
and competent, and they promote this knowledge, then you are

(15:38):
a little bit more on the ball. But if you're not,
which you know, I think only sixteen percent of people
are in a union anymore. Maybe it's not even maybe.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
It's not as much.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
It's improved a little bit lately, but still, you know,
just because you get a union recognized doesn't mean you
get a contract in any reasonable amount of time.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
Yeah, and the other thing that people don't really think
about is well, I think the economy in people's minds
plays a big part because there's people like, oh, the
price of eggs, the price of gas, price of eggs,
price of these things have gone up, and that's I
guess an issue that affects them on their day to
day So they'd rather trade out their freedom.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
And they support the people to pick strawberries.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
Well that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yes, so dairy dairy's gonna go. I mean, there was
an article in New York Times magazine a few weeks
ago is like, are we is this the end of
cheap dairy?

Speaker 5 (16:32):
Well, not just that, but all kinds for any kind
of farm labor. You're deporting all all of that. Like
it's just people talk about, well, the tariffs are maybe
are going to affect the economy, but if they go
through with their deportation plan, there's good that's going to
crash the economy. It'll crash because you're you're spending a

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ton a ton of ton of money money to do
this in the first place, and then you're deeparting all
of the workers who do the jobs that.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Americans Americans won't do, dode I saw a dude yesterday
at this estate tale I went to and he was
walking out and he said, blah blah blah the last
four years. And I was like, well, you're about to
find out about inflation when they start all this and
to port twenty million people. I hope they poured them all.
And I was like, he's I said, well, you watch
the price of everything go up that comes off of

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a farm. And he goes, what did he say, they'll
get they'll get you know, like young young teenagers to
do that or something that's just ridiculous. Yeah, you think
you're going to have an influx of young teenagers moving
moving to where the farms are to work on.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
The on the fields. Yeah, I know, maybe in the
factories because uh in some states like the they've using
immigrant child labor child labor. Yeah, well well and they're
just like they've changed the rules like what's the huckeyby
Sarah huckeby Sanders her state, they said, yeah, we want
to make the age for child labor lower and like

(18:02):
less less restrictions. Sure we need kids work in these
factory floors. Uh so I my I that's the thing
that worries me because that's definitely gonna not just affect
the US, but right right here is when the economy
tanks when this plan starts to go through, and it's
just it's it's inevitable, like it's gonna it's.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
You saw the Elon Musk thing when the Twitter exchange
where they talked about how it's going to crash the
economy and Elon replied sounds about right.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
Yeah. He's like, well, we got to crash it and
crash everything to build back.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
In order to save it. I mean, it's just so stupid.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Well that's the thing. The other thing is people don't
actually realize, like maybe they're seeing it on their day
to day while the prices are hiring stuff, but the
actual economy under Biden is is booming. It's doing quite no.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Okay, this is this is my problem because we use
all these metrics and we say, oh, this is up
and this is up and this is up. Well that
means is doing great. Unemployments low, yeah, well, people have
to have two three jobs to make ends meet. The wages,
the wage share, the labors share of income is still
at historic relatively speaking, lows. You know, I mean those

(19:12):
kinds of things. A house the average price of a
house in America is like four hundred thousand dollars now,
and that includes like places nobody wants to live. Yeah, well,
I mean rant is through the roof, that kind of thing.
That's that's people's lived experience. Inflation drove prices up from
you know, twenty nineteen where you know, we were just

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you know, dinking along two percent inflation a year for
a long time, and then it went like eight ten,
you know, and then now the prices are just sustained
at a higher level. The price might come down a
little bit, but they reduced the amount of product in
the package. That's happening also. But that's the economy as
people experience it, right, So it's not Yeah, economics can

(19:53):
measure things, but they don't measure debt, burden of renters,
but not calculated.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
At the very least, it felt like the Biden administration,
we're trying to rectify a lot of those things, trying
to get money in.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
You know what. They can't do message, they can't lest
educate their accomplishments. The Democratic Party is in a terrible
fix with this. They can never I mean, but and
and so like what is the okay Oh, Lena conn
at the FTC doing great work. We're going to break
up things, you know, But is that how long is

(20:29):
it going to take for that to pan out? A decade? Yeah,
I mean who can message that? How do you even
message that? It's it's that's an impossible problem because it
doesn't it doesn't materially contribute to people's bottom line.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
But what the the I guess the irony of this
is because they're frustrated, they vote for the other candidate,
and the other candidate's going to put the power in
the employer's hands to make life worse. And it's good.
Inflation's gonna go up because of the terrorists, because of
the deportation. And then there's also the talk we're going
to like get rid of one third of the government workforce,

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so your unemployment rate is going to skyrocket with that.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Well, they're not necessarily going to get rid of them.
They're just going to hire incompetent people right now.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
But I think but part of it, I think too,
is that well, there's there's too many people working there.
We got to get it down. But yeah, they're they're
going to hire people not qualify, But who are the
basic litmus test is they're loyal to bear Leader oil system.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I mean, you know, if you read Project twenty twenty five,
I think it was like on page like seventy behind,
so you got to go all the way into seventy nine.
It's like, you know, the heart of the liberal view
of competent government is that there should be professional experts
work for the government. And it's like, yes, the problem
we have is that it's they they're their problem with it.

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The rights problem with it is that it's competent sub level. Yeah,
it may be a bloated bureaucracy, but it does it
can enforce the Clean Air Act or the Clean.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Well the same thing with relations and yeah, basically they
want to deregularly get rid of all all the basically
all the safeguards and guardrails. Uh, let's we'll come back.
We'll talk a little bit about what this means for
the world of climate and it's just like a whole
mess of things. We can't cover an hour, but we'll
try try our best. Stand by.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
I do want to be.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Oh yeah that that ended quick. I just really I
just realized I because uh you this is I'm Josh
Bird is here from New Jersey and uh yeah, we
link him up via via Google meets and along the
line and through to get you here this there's noise

(22:45):
along the line and on this little thing here, I
have to reduce your noise, and then sometimes I forget
to undo the reduced noise. Uh and then when the
music plays it, Yeah, it's just a mess, but I'll
have to We'll fix it and post everybody anyway. Uh yeah,
I still I still maybe it's it's the first stage
of grief is denial. But I still feel like there's

(23:09):
something like something nefarious, like somebody. It just feels like something.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
I don't see it really, I don't know, but I could.
I'm not saying I can't be convinced. I love a
good conspiracy theory. But at the same time, you know,
but also with no look at it this way, all
the incumbents that that were in charge during this period
of global inflation lost.

Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, but I some of the things that I look
at is it's just sort of the down tickets in
a lot of places, where like some places is every
everything's blue except the top of the ticket.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Uh yeah, some places that's true, but a lot of
those in a lot of those cases, a presidential vote
was not cast because the people were disgusted with Biden
herself from Biden at all. She should have that was
a mistake. This is all Biden's fault. Biden should have
allowed there to be a primary, and that would have

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given you a battle tested, you know, candidate people. There
were people at the polls who thought that Biden would
be on the on the ballot. Yeah, and they got
there and they didn't know that who Harris was really.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Well, he wait. I obviously waited too long until until
it was like past the point of no return because
it got to that debate and then and then there's
a lot of like fanaggling and finagling and then it's
like too late to have a primary. Uh. Yeah, that
was what. There was a couple of mistakes there. The
first that's one of them where he should have probably

(24:42):
just not run for that next term and just sort
of course said, you know what, it's time for someone
younger to take the mantle.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
That's at one point he had intimated that that would
be the case, but he didn't follow through on that.

Speaker 5 (24:53):
I don't know if that's the ego thing, but yeah,
I think early on it was like, well, he'll be
sort of the transition president.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Well, the other thing is like the job of the presidency,
you're just kind of hanging out with a staff. Yes,
I called on to make a decision every day. But
Americans have this view of the presidency that I called
the heroic presidency. Yeah, they think that he's involved in
every single decision. The three am phone call of Hillary
Clinton has contributed to this kind of thinking, and that's

(25:20):
not what it is. And so the fact that it's
just kind of like a person making decisions yes, no,
at times during the day, week or month, isn't a
job that Biden couldn't continue to do in his opinion,
And so he just said I can still go, and
then he rolled out there during debate and laid an egg.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah. Yeah, it would have been so much different if
there's actual primary and there's actual.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You know, but that guy's been rounding for president since
I was twelve years old.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Yeah. The other thing that I think was a giant mistake,
and this is I think it's going to haunt your
kind tree for a long time, is when Biden decided,
as I don't know, to make up for the fact
that he wasn't given a Supreme Court appointment, appointed Merrick

(26:11):
Garland as the Attorney General, a guy who is just
so ineffective. And I think so much of that ineffectiveness
comes from trying to appear non political to the point
where he's being political by bending over backwards and not
doing his frequent job.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
How a guy interviewed like they just went out Middle America,
I think it was on Channel five, the Instagram channel,
and he said, well, Trump tried to overthrow the government,
overturn the election, you know, in twenty twenty. And the
guy was like, no, he didn't. They would have put
him in jail for that. Yeah, but they they they

(26:55):
didn't even get you know, they they just dragged ass
on that until the House went through you know, the
old January sixth committee process to illustrate that, Yes, in fact,
Trump was the orchestrator of this thing with other people. Yeah,
and you know, as if it wouldn't be that I

(27:18):
think otherwise.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah. Well, and I mean you can trace it back
a little bit further to the Mulla report that essentially
did say and did indicate that Trump was working with
Russia by Bill Barr. This line Valady is made it
his own Reader's Digest version where it's like, no, no.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
He wrote an editorial that contradicted that.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, he basically, you know, it's kind of.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Like al Gore's there's no controlling legal authority thing.

Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah. So now the question, I guess, like, obviously, the
the notion is that a sitting president can't be prosecuted,
and then there's but.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
There's still is Justice department that's not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah. Well, and then there's state crimes though, and that's
sort of I think they'll go away too in a
few days. Yeah, yes, anything in a few days, And
I think that will Even though you can't have immunity
from state crimes, your Justice apartment still oversees a lot
of that stuff and can pretty much. Yeah. And then
the other thing is so Jack Smith, who's been overlooking

(28:23):
all of these Trump investigations, he is in a bit
of a tricky situation now he's asked to wind down
these investigations these cases because of that rule, sitting president
can't be prosecuted. But the question now is will he

(28:44):
do a final report that actually gives details because a
lot of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Oh, instead of a prosecution, he'll lay it out.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
Yeah, well, publisher put it out there. A lot of
the stuff he has hinted at, like, oh, I have
had an of who he shared this this stolen? Not
all this well, yeah, I guess stolen, but well it's documents,
the documents that he kept at his place. He has
evidence of who who he's shared it with, and and
basically you know, the treasonous acts that he's done. Uh.

(29:16):
And so will Jack Smith be able to prior to
a new age coming in to get the information out
to the people, so at least they know, even though
it's too late, that they've elected a trader to the country,
to the highest office in the land.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah. I mean he was apparently in contact with Putin
over these last few years.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Oh yeah, we'll the same thing with Musk uh and
and Musk was as well. Yeah. Well, and he would
have visitors tomorrow a lago who were you know, Putin
allied people, and and these documents.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Are just around when he was president. And how anybody
who sent me COVID tests.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
Even the Susie Wiles, who he's picked as as chief
of staff, she's mentioned in uh, in some of the
Jack Smith filings as having seen some of the documents. Uh, yeah,
and seen them in the in the same uh, in
the same room as someone from Russia. Uh, there's is

(30:20):
it's just like it's incredible, Like I guess there's so
many low information voters.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
But she of course she. I mean, yeah, there's tens
of millions.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
But so my my thing is, like, will we at
the very least, after all of these years of Jack
Smith uncovering all of these these crimes against the country,
will the people get to see this work and so
he can make the report. But then my question is, well,
usually once he makes the report, he gives it to

(30:52):
the Attorney General, who decides what to do with it.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
And you have that that he needs the he needs
to push that report before January.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Well, that's that's it. Yeah, obviously has to do it before.
But even Merrick Garland. You wonder if if this damning
report came, if Merrick Garland would say, well.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I don't you know, we don't, I don't know. That's
like who even knows.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
But some somehow this.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Can you can you can trace a line of blame.
This is what I thought. You know, you can trace
a line of blame for this back to Biden. Yeah,
and you can trace a line back to Obama in
twenty twenty for getting rid of Bernie and making all
the other candidates quit and then the names, you know,
Jim Clyburn endorsement. And then you can trace a line
further back to Obama in two thousand and nine where

(31:38):
they didn't go through with the Henry Paulson plan to
recapitalize homeowners and then you know, recapitalize the banks through
bailing out the homeowners after that crisis. And then you
can trace a line, you know, back to nineteen ninety
two and Bush and Clinton and NAFTA. I mean, the
the people this this oh well got up for. This

(31:59):
has been many decades in the making. In some ways, you.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Can also go back to Bush versus Gore in the
Supreme Court, back in that election sort of.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
But I mean, like just from the standpoint of like
the average person's ability to make a living, do the
regular thing, buy a house. All these things that are
you know, sold to us as the American dream are
increasingly inaccessible. And you know, we've been i don't know,
private equitied out of a lot of our infrastructure. And

(32:31):
there you know the way, you know, since we don't
have nationalized healthcare, Like the way they rolled out the
vaccines for COVID during this crisis, was it Walgreens and CBSH.
Walgreens is about the close twelve hundred locations. So are
there going to be pharmacy deserts because of that? Who knows?

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah, it's a mess.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well.

Speaker 5 (32:48):
The other thing I meant to mention when we were
talking about how Trump will destroyed the economy with all
of his plans is well we talked about how the
deportation is going to cost untold billions and millions of dollars.
And it's also build camps.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
They like, there's already evidence that that's the camps are
just they're already in the works.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Well, and then they're but the fact that they're setting
all of this labor away, there's gonna be a lot
less labor force that doing the jobs no one wants
to do. But also another thing that factors in is
UH is tourism, the tourism industry. There may be Americans
touring within the United States, but I know a lot

(33:32):
of people who as soon as this happened, like, oh
you know what, I'm rethinking any kind of trip to
the US. Even myself like I I've I've submitted to
a bunch of film festivals and a lot in the
majority of them are in the US, and now I'm like, off,
I get invited to these things, and I like, I
think early on maybe, but but I'm really reluctant to

(33:54):
do any kind of any kind of travel there and
I would avoid it unless it was absolutely necessary. Yeah,
it's just it's frightening, like and so there's a lot
of places that were that make a ton of money
on foreign tourism, and there's a lot of tourists who,
especially Europe I would I would imagine would would uh

(34:14):
maybe change their their views on visiting visiting that country. Yeah,
it's a frightening situation. Uh. Who are some of the
people that are involved with with Trump's Trump's government. Who
are some of the people who are going to be
put in power when Trump takes control on the on

(34:35):
the well in the new year? Uh? I think for
for in a lot of ways, it'll be kind of
for the next couple of months, it's going to be
a Weekend of Bernie situation where basically they you know,
prop him up, walk them around and stuff. Will the
real power players work behind the scenes. Uh, we'll talk
about who some of these uh, these players who are

(34:56):
now very much involved in the US and the US
Paul as you are just to say.

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Speaker 1 (35:42):
Who is Josh Holiday? Good question? I got an answer.
Bring sixty four seven six.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeh, Josh, talk to fold a stock that day lies.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
I want you to deal to problems.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's talk to fox man. What you're listening to right now?

Speaker 5 (36:03):
Yet and yet so yet it is Josh Holiday Live.
I am he of the title. Josh and Bert is
here as well, and uh fitting song. Uh now that
the US will become buddy buddy with uh the brutal,
murderous dictator Vladimir Putin, who Trump admires. Some of the

(36:28):
people he admires are it's pretty amazing those with unchecked power,
unchecked power, murderous dictators. That's his his role model strong man,
even like the Pinochet's and that they're really like brutal form.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
That's what every fragile man wants to, you know, tends to. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
But the question now, the question though, is like Trump
is obviously his his brain is oatmeal, like he's he's, he's,
he doesn't. He barely knows where he is at any
given moment. So they've got to get him over the
finish line. But how soon until we get someone who
nobody voted for jd Vance.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Oh I know that's even more horrifying. Well you want
to talk about like the the the sort of Christian
fascist movement, he will be the flag carrier of that.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Oh yeah. Yeah. And women's rights, Uh, they're even they
even want to it's not just abortion that they're trying
to outlaw, it's also contraception. Yeah, it's they basically don't
want anyone to have sex unless they want to have
a baby, or they're or they're they're married.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Like it, really, we're going to have to support the
four D movement. Have you heard of that one?

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Yeah, where basically ladies are like, no, I'm not going
to have sex with you.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I do well, I'm just like swearing off men.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, which is bad bad. I mean like it shouldn't
for people who are not who are anti anti fascism.
We should be we should be okay to to you know.
But again the problem is the consequence.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
You'll just have to prove your bone of few days,
you know, and then you know you'll move forward from there.

Speaker 5 (38:16):
Yeah. Well I'm in Canada. Maybe they can visit Canada
where we do you know, we.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Have health there's still there's still legal.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Abortion and contraception.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
And and we don't have to teach the teach Jesus
in uh in schools.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yeah, and uh, we don't only the capitalist Jesus though. Yeah, No,
not that Jesus who help Jesus. Jesus, the actual historical
Jesus who was for Jesus, for helping the poor and
helping the unfortunate. Yeah, that's not that Jesus. We're talking
Jesus need not apply.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
We're talking about Jesus who says, pull yourself up by
your bootstrings.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
You knowtribution Jesus.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
Yeah, we're hateful Jesus.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, that old school that we all grew up learning.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
That's all right, get a job Jesus. Yeah, yeah, that Jesus.
And then they also want to get rid in any
kind of teaching of the history of the United States slavery.
You know, it wasn't really that big a deal.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah, it's like, what was this aant to say? It
was like job training? Yeah, it was just like people
learned useful skills, that's right, while they were enslaved.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, it's not not no bigie big Yeah. The Project
twenty twenty five that said, well, there's what was the forties.
There's also I think Project forty seven or something right.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Or something that was Agenda forties forty seven, which you know,
I mean, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
There's a lot of overlap.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
It's all sort of here's the deal. A plan beats
no plan. So the plan that they've been working on
for all these years Project twenty twenty five, nine hundred pages,
and that's just the published public version. Yeah, like here's
how we actually do stuff. Version is not published.

Speaker 5 (40:02):
No, Well, and that's the scary version. But if you
do if you do look at the highlights of Project
twenty twenty five, it's it really is freaking scary. And
if and I guess people believe when Trump said, oh,
I have nothing to do with it, even though pretty much.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Wanted to believe that he is. They people have consistently
interpreted him as more moderate than the average Republican in
the Republican Party. And there's the evidence of what he's
actually done does not lend itself to that view. No.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
Well, and and a lot of people I have short memories,
but you remember during his actual presidency, all of the scandal,
all the corruption, all of the the just the self deal,
like it was just a madness. And there are a
lot of people around him who, you know, as the
stories came out, acted as moderating forces, or tried to

(40:59):
at least when he would suggest things like shooting, you know,
using the army against his own people. And he would
bring up all these suggestions, and the people around him, even.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Though they were wanted a nuke, a hurricane.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, even though they were like, uh, you know, conservatives
and and and in his circle, a lot of them
had the backbone to stand up and say, no, we
can't do this.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
But now no, those people are gone.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
Now in the second term, it's strictly loyalists.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
And Wiles is the wild card. Wiles is the only
one who's been able to control him and keep the
message in all this. And so whatever her politics are
are not I mean, she's obviously some kind of Republican.
You know, maybe she's a fascist too, we don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Well, she is a Trump whisperer, and she's she did
you know, she did everything she could to help him
get re elected and and you know, so so she's
got whether she'll be a monitoring force. Who's to say? Uh?
And I see uh uh I vodka no Havoka. Trump
came out of the would work now that he's won.

(42:03):
She's like, oh, I guess I can still be friends
with daddy if he's if he's actually the president.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
And then they had the big group photo of the
the the election team and Malania was missing, but his
new best friend Elon Musk was there.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
I can barely understand you. It's very muffled.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Oh I'm sorry, Uh, probably my talking. Yeah, Uh, Milania
was not that they had the big picture of the
victory celebration of the big group photo, and.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
She went in the group photo.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
In the group photo. I guess they didn't pay the
extra charge to get her out there.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah, she's so two hundred thousand dollars per appearance, I believe.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
So we talk about mentioned the JD vance. More than
likely by spring will be the president. Yeah, you know,
Trump's not gonna he really is, like.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Really so far gone. Yeah, I don't know. It seems
like those old you know, those old cantankerous cranks, live
a lot longer than than you'd like.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
I don't know, but I think he's outlived his dad
and uh he he like he's a stress machine and
he's not like a healthy man.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
I think these old a holes somehow they just keep
on keeping up.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
But it doesn't I guess it doesn't really matter because
it you know, the people behind the scenes and his
his buddies, like Ela Musk I've always said, is like
a like a fourteen year old boy who won the lottery.
Like he's not a bright guy. He's got dumb ideas.
He's and and and now it's come out that uh
less less the fact that he's he's a dummy, the

(43:42):
fact that he's a white nationalist is sort of the.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
Oh yeah from that old Uh. He liked that old
part when he's growing up in South Africa.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah, and he's now it's it's blatant. And I I've
had Twitter for a long time and and I did
because there's like new stuff on there. But this week
I've been like trying to migrate and trying to try
and make sure all the people I follow who I like,
like news people and stuff, I found them on other platforms.
And I'm just sort of smuled again though, well the

(44:11):
freak uh, probably much better when you like get all. Yeah,
I was just talking about Twitter, how I.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Could hear you, but it was just like so no
listeners wouldn't. Oh, probably like your rich voice deserves.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I gotta be more well assertive. I know, I get
into my jazz. Yeah, I don't know what. Yeah. So
there's Elon Musk and then jd. Vance is a protege
of another kind of evil, self loathing gay man. Feel

(44:46):
Peter feel.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Who Peter, Yes, Yeah, the noted uh you know, Philosopher
of a Silicon Valley.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
Yeah, and he is uh, he's really gone Christo crystal fascist.
He's like a really really uh, which is crazy because
he is like it. It's not there's no secret he's
a gay man.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Somebody out of him I don't remember who.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
Out, but he's he's like so verheriently like wants the
Christian way. It's it's kind of scary, it's like that
self loathing. So he's, uh, he's got his fingers in
the pie. And then uh, you wonder what's gonna happen
with with Ukraine because Trump's bodies with Putin, He'll probably

(45:29):
just say, yeah, I would, Sorry, Ukraine, We're not we're
not helping out anymore. Ah, and China probably might have
a little bit more power to go and into Taiwan.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
And it's all it's just not even clear, and it's
too horrific to speculate about.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Ultimately, there's just so much, so much.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
If Peter Thiel was added by Gawker, okay, and then
I don't know if he acquired it and then destroyed
it or he one of his acolytes did something.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Oh yeah, I think yeah, I think I think I
think he funded the lawsuit with h there's a whole
cologan lawsuit that basically destroyed Gawker that I think Peter
Teel was was basically that's the financier of the of
the league one.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Hundred and forty million dollars in damages.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
Yeah, I think he was sort of behind that suit.
The other thing that that is talked about in these
circles Project twenty twenty five and some of the trumpy
circles is well, we want to replace the US dollar
with cryptocurrency, which, uh, cryptocurrency is essentially a pyramid scheme,
so you want you want to you want to replace

(46:40):
the US economy with a pyramid scheme.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Bank bankers referred to it as a gambling token, Yeah,
which I mean, is it a It's not. It's not
quite a pyramid scheme. But that's a good enough explanation,
I guess.

Speaker 5 (46:53):
Well, basically the people at the top, you know.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I mean, you could buy crypto and ride it up
and down as a kind of a trading, but it's
not really based on asset because it's not connected connected zeros.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
It's just basically speculation and a wave of the wealthy
to get wealthier, like the people who create it.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
I know some people who make some money in crypto,
but not you know, like crazy money just so they
threw you know, I don't know a few thousand in
it and they it went up for a while and
then it started going down.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
But uh yeah, messing after Trump won, messing with the dollar,
and that's going to be a baby.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
That's what we're doing here.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
I want to steal everything. Uh anothering one thing that
I recalled during the George Man, if we could go
back to those years when George W. Bush was in power,
I remember being really like, really incense with all of
his stuff, and now in comparison, it's like, oh my god,

(47:49):
what the hell is really But one of the things
that I remember saying at the time when he was
he was making a lot of cuts and changing up
the education system. And at the time, I said, he's
essentially making it so that there's less educated people so
that there's more Republican voters.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
He's making it so that there's more or less educated people.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
With that, there's that youwered people, fewer educated people. The
less people are educated, the more likely they are to
vote Republican. That's just a fact.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
That's I mean that just you know, they just that
they can set their their big business monopoly capitalism and
and and rent seeking, you know, oligarchy next to a
slice of apple pie. And the American flag and people
are into it. Well, that's because they like the pie
and the flag the other thing that and you bring

(48:46):
in you bring in like these these uh you know,
hot talk edge lords on uh on on YouTube and
and podcasts, and you get them involved. So then it's
like apple pie, American flag and part jokes that triangulation
has brought us to this moment.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
All American training. Here's another uh uh some more fodder
for the Something's not right. Apparently five swing states split
the ticket where they've voted for Trump, but down line
it was all it was blue something's which is never
happened before.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Uh, it's never happened that there's been that many you're.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Saying that that five swing states have split the ticket.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah, I mean the American people have voted for divided
government many times.

Speaker 5 (49:36):
This is true.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, you go
back every day and look and see. Okay, right now,
the Republicans have two twelve and the House Democrats tip
two hundred twenty three seats not cold, and they need
to eighteen for control.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Yeah, which is if they have all three houses, that's
really scary. It's well if they yeah, if they have
because the problem they're gonna have. So if they have Trump,
they have him as the pre they have the Senate,
they have Congress, and they have the Supreme Court. Like
that's a powerhouse of no checks and balances, no guard rails.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
I mean, the one good thing is as a federal republic,
you do have some states that are able to say
no to.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Things well, and I do. I do know that news
and call an emergency session to try and codify a
bunch of stuff before Trump gets.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
In that will actually produce. But I also saw that, yeah,
I mean last time in twenty sixteen, they were like
all these you know, people inside the agencies were like
trying to harden things against them being corrupted, and then
they invented Schedule F and so they'll just implement that
on day one and fire a lot of people, two

(50:47):
thousand people, and they'll bring in all their loyalists and
destroy the administrative state, which is crazy. You know, good
luck with that.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Yeah, the incompetants, it will be kind of crazy. The
other thing that people I don't think realize is it's
kind of like you once you with fascism, with this
kind of this kind of leader, once you pull the
pin out of the grenade, like there's no going back.
Like it's not like all the next like four years,
four years from now, you can say, well Trump's been
doing a bad job. We got to vote for a Democrat.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Like they people don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
That, No they don't, but they have like this this
four years from now, they'll have they'll have had so
much time to mess about that it's going to be
like Russian elections, where they do have elections, but foodin
always has like eighty ninety percent of the vote for
some strange reason.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
You know, the possibility that we'll be able to like
reprofessionalize the agencies that you know, protect people, the land,
the water, the workers, Yeah, the air, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Well that's yeah, there's so many things. Yeah, the climate,
Like already the climate is terrible and we're not doing
enough to change it. And you're seeing massive storms, droughts, fires, hurricanes, catastrophes.
You're seeing them more and more frequently, and they're more
they're stronger and stronger. And this administration is trying to

(52:07):
get rid of regulations, trying to get rid of environmental protections.
So it's it's only going to make things worse. And
basically basically we've welcomed in the apocalypse with an open door.
And yeah there's people who are you hear knife people. Well,
you know, if he doesn't do right in four years,

(52:29):
we'll just you know.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I mean when you pull people and you ask people,
and I've done this in my own life. People I
and you know, family and friends that are Republicans. They
don't think they're going to do all these things. They
don't think they're privatize Social Security, they don't think they're gonna, like,
you know, do poor people to be like, oh, there
should be a guest worker program. Well that's not what.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
You're happening here. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's scary like
that there intent on doing bad things and people are oblivious.
And a lot of the people, as we mentioned earlier
in the show, like ninety percent of voters for Trump,
voted against their own self interest. It's going to be
an f around and find out situation where it's like

(53:09):
buyer's remorse, but then you can't really take the product
back because they close the store.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:16):
I wonder if they'll be able to mess things up
enough before the midterms to be able to make fair
elections for the midterms in two years, like, well, will
the midterms offering.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
The election system is rather decentralized.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Yeah, but just with jerrymanderin all that stuff in the.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Serreena, I mean, they have already entrenched themselves as a
minority party that controls through Z.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
So what's the solution. Well, the only the one thing
that made me like, like makes me feel a little
bit not happy, but but it's reassuring a little bit
is that there's so many people, like half half of
the US and three quarters of Canada that are against
what's happened. And uh, you know, it's it's we're not

(54:05):
alone in being against the fascism. And the other hope
is that there are good people in powerful places, uh
who will push back or who will have a spine,
or who will do the right thing. Uh, you have
to you have to hope and and and other than that,
it's just like what can you do? Really, what are

(54:27):
you gonna do?

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I don't know, I'm gonna you know, go ahead, restless
to the some of these Canadian options here, Well.

Speaker 5 (54:36):
I was I'm thinking now I'm looking over at like
Finland or Norway.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
You can't go there. There next door you know who.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Oh yeah, well one of the one of the one
of the nice uh social democracy.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I mean you're also looking for a ticket out. That's
not encouraging to me.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Well, we'll see what happens here. There's a parallel situation
where there's a lot of uninformed voters here who think
Trudeau is bad even though our country's doing very very well,
and the same thing may happen. It's it's it's like, well,
things aren't going right for me, let's vote this guy
in who's who's got no plan except hate, and he's
heasy want to be fascist too, So good luck. Damned

(55:15):
if you do. Damned if you don't have yourself a
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