NEWSTALK SAUGA960 OCTOBER 5, 2024

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from Toronto to the world. This is Josh Holiday Live.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Josh is like a snook talker. Josh is the same
level as me. Like this vibe is just like strong
and masculine and tough.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Talked at rocks, got something to say?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
What you had to say.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
The phone lines are now open. Kyle six four seven
six yo. Josh operators are standing by. Raise yourself. Josh
Holiday Live starts.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, Hey, good morning. It is Saturday, October the fifth October.
Already at least we're getting nice weather. I'm Josh Holiday.
Heat of the show title, joined by Bert from from

(00:51):
New Jersey, Canada. E Burt, give me a cookie, Birt.
That's my none of that, thank you. I wasn't gonna
start this way. I I heard someone talking recently about
our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, saying, oh, he's the worst,
he's the worst manager of Canada. He's all this bad
stuff and you can't argue with these people, and I

(01:18):
sometimes I want to get mad, but I'm like, no,
they're just misinformed. They've they've been fed disinformation and they're
they believe it because it's all about Trudeau being incompetent,
not being good. He's running the country wrong. But as
I've said before, by any major metric, Canada is doing

(01:39):
at or near the top in terms of comparison to
other countries. Canada is in really, really great shape. But
these people would have you believe otherwise. And part of
that is disinformation, and a lot of it is is
from from Russia, and then it's paired it by by
right wing even right wing newspapers. Here there's there's a
bunch of newspaper this the Sun Media or National Post

(02:06):
Media I think is the main company owned by US
right wing company. But in the States not so long ago,
they had that release where there's tons of Russian disinformation
sites exposed, and one of them is uh, posted at
least a dozen articles about Justin de Trudeau, anti Trudeau stuff,

(02:35):
And so it's actually happening here, and I imagine that's
just the tip of the iceberg. This was This wasn't
a Canada based site. This was a a Russia site
that's been shut down by the FBI. Reliable recent news
was the one.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Reliable?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh hang on, I've got a call here. Maybe all up?
All up? Apparently we got some kind of echo echo
going on here. Why could that be let me just
see here here. This is behind the scene, behind the
scenes radio you're getting here. We do this show live

(03:16):
every Saturday morning, and Burt is in New Jersey and
so Bert is in New Jersey. So I get him
on Google Meats, and then everything I do from this
board at my place, and so I have to take

(03:39):
care of of all the audio stuff here on this
end and there we're going to see what happens here.
Testing one too, Testing one two? What's the deal? Lexis?
Is it okay? Okay? Check a chick out? Okay? He
says things are okay now hopefully if things change, you know,

(04:02):
as I was saying, uh, there's Russian right wing yeah,
so basically yeah, so the the the US is cracking
down on Russian disinformation, which is great, and a lot
of a lot of information came out about people in
the state's right wing websites spreading disinformation being funded by Russia.

(04:25):
And there were actually some Russian sites that are spreading propaganda,
one called Reliable Recent News, and that one in particular unreliable.
Yeah it was, it was spreading disinformation. And over a
dozen articles about Trudeau saying stuff like the incompetent Prime
minister better suited in a role of political satire, basically

(04:47):
anti Trudeau stuff. And what I was saying is there's
a lot of people out there. I heard someone recently
saying Trudeau is the worst you know, he's the worst
manager Canada has ever had. He's terrible. That's that's like
opposite world. These people are living in a in a
world that's I guess has been created by disinformation around them. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
I mean, once you get into partisan media and everybody
gets to go into their camps, you're kind of stuck with.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
It because the facts are and I laid this, I
don't know if it was heard because of the echo,
but by every major metric that you would measure a
country's success by inflation, job growth, standing in the world, uh,
cost of living, happiness, every index you would measure a

(05:34):
country's success by, Canada is at or near the top.
So so when you hear someone saying Canada is broken
or or or Trudeau is ruining the country, that's just
not true. That's that's disinformation, misinformation.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
That's just a take. That's just a hot take. But
it's I mean, that's just we live in an economy
of hot takes.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Now, right, Yeah, but it's fed by fed by disinformation.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Basically, now they have their own supply line to keep them,
you know, at a low simmer of disagreement all the time.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Right. I'm I'm actually waiting for the US released a
number of sites right wing sites that were being funded
by by Russia. I'm waiting for the Canadian version to
come out. I know there's someone on Twitter and someone
who's a media personality cat Canada. She's been called out

(06:28):
as being Russian propaganda and she's good friends with the
opposition leader here in Canada. But that is neither here
nor there. We You and I have sort of talked
over the recent weeks about the television show The Boys,
which I have I've grown to be a fan of.
I like this the show.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
I'm now at I just finished season three, so I'm
almost like.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
You just have to tell me what plot points you're
at and then.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
I will, well, well, basically at the end of season three.
So whatever you watch recently, I'm not quite there yet.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Okay, so you're at the end of whenever the last
one was a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, well, yeah, basically they were they were all trying
to take down Homelander. That was the goal, and they
recruited this.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
But have they fractured, Well.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
They're always fracturing and coming back together, so it's hard
to it's hard to really. Yeah, Like they basically they
got that uh soldier boy guy out of uh whatever. Yeah,
and they brought him to fight and then it didn't
work out, and then the sun and blah blah blah,
and the sun had the end of the season Homelander,

(07:41):
uh basically killed a bunch of people, killed this guy
who was at a protest. He was it was very
very trump like uh he and the Sun was beside him,
and he had this just slight little bit of a
grin when that happened. So, uh see what happens. But
I was because I'm recently knew to the show. One

(08:05):
of the things I do love is that shot in Toronto,
and I recognize all kinds of landmarks and occasionally actor friends.
I found like the Little Webs, a little series on Prime,
kind of a side series with a behind the scenes thing,
And I did did you know that this the main
actors Homelander. Anthony Starr is a New Zealand guy.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, I was both the both the main characters basically
are New Zealanders.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, although I thought he was Australian.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I read that it was Yeah, but I think he's
supposed to be in the show. I think he's supposed
to be British, but he definitely sounds like Australian. And
there's words that chin way, chin wag, chin way, a
lot of his expressional stuff. I pulled a clip just
so so you can hear the voice of like the

(09:02):
the New Zealand voice, the real Homelander, the real Homelander,
and he's, uh, this is on seth Meyers talking about
a breastfeeding scene. There's been some breastfeeding scenes with you
and and and let me say and let me say
not flashbacks, but.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Those scenes are so difficult.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's like the weirdest scene I've ever done.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
I've done some pretty weird in my career. Yeah, But
when I read that and I was like, I'm so
used to reading like the bizarre things on this show.
I read that and I'm like, just another day. But
then we get there and I'm getting a'm and Justice
squidded in my face, and I just had this instinct

(09:51):
that it would be that it should I don't know.
I don't know a lot of the time, I don't
know what I'm going to do. It work, Yeah, Like
I've prepped so much that we can just go anywhere. Uh,
And it just studyed. I started getting any emotional and
it turned into a love scene where I'm basically going,
oh my god, you did this for me, and she's all, I.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Do anything for you.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
And it's like something out of the Bloody Notebook and
it's but it's about Brice Milt getting squid in the face.
And I remember talking to Valerie Carry that plays Firecracker.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
She's brilliant.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Uh, and we were on the same page with it.
I remembered after a take, just going what are we doing?
I could have been a lawyer, I could have.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
What is the job there?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
He so, yeah, it's uh, it's destroying all the you know,
the suspension of this belief has been cracked by this
guy's actions.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I know he's just like this friendly New Zealand guy,
but I.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You know, I'm pretty invested in the idea that Homelander
is a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Well, yeah, that's the thing. Well, he said in an interview too,
he's always surprised.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Accent doesn't come out much. But this in the squeally
tone that he I guess a little bit, and it
does come out now that I think about it in
the show.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
But it also makes it that, like I've always I've said,
he's like a brilliant actor in this role.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
And I think it's really good.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, the fact is, but the fact that he's also
he's also pulling off the the the accent, pulling off
the American accent at the same time. I'm always rather
that that's happened before where I've watched shows and then
you hear an interview and you're like what, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Like, well, it's not just the Americans who have to
be surprised by the you know, the fact that the
rest of the world is able to mimic whatever this is.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, but really well, like the a succession, a bunch
of that, like like Sarah Snook on that show is British. Yeah,
it's it's amazing. Uh. I saw actually it was a
video of this bathroom, a public bathroom in Rome, like

(11:57):
in a main busy area, and it basically looks like
a mirrored box.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Yeah, but it's a one way mirror.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
But yeah, you're inside it. You can see out you
can see out but the people can't see it. But
the people can't see it. But I would you would
you use something like that?

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Oh? The thing about a public restroom in Europe I
understand is that they're hard to come by.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Right, but but so yes, but would you be comfortable
like taking a sit down on there?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
I would have to. Yeah, I'm very practical about this.
I'm just like, I don't have any of this hang
ups about in public. I'm just going now, I'm not saying,
you know, on display, I'm just saying, a public restroom
is no threat to me.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
A lot of people have a you know, they can
only you know, they they they're partial to their home base.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, I I for sure I am because part of
it is because I have a little like the day
style toilets. See that's part of the part of the fun.
But I used to be very kind of uh, you know,
not wanting to poop in public, and I would I would.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
I think that is a self imposed prison.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
It is as I would retain. I would like, you know,
i'd be uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
So impractical for modern living to be like scared of
what I even scared. But it's just like threatened by
what the level of public pressure.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I can't well now, like I'm in my not giving up,
not giving up exactly what we're talking about face. Although
when I was I was working at UH down at
this this big corporate office, and a guy I worked
with and I we would scope out, like what are
the least busy washrooms in the whole building, And there

(13:31):
were some areas where there was.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Like, I'm glad you got a print.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, it was like, okay, this bathroom low traffic. And
I even figured it out a way because I pre knowledge.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I'm surprised that you would share it with anyone.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Well, the other thing is I think there's it's it
feels like it should be an unwritten rule that if
there's two only two stalls, and if someone's already in one,
go go go to another bathroom, especially.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
N it that's an option or if you don't have
to be if you're getting in trouble for going another
floor up to do that.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
But well, in that building, there's about like there's a
plenty of bathrooms. There's like at least two per floor.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
This is a distinct, uh you know, you got a
distinct white collar bias in this account of the manners
of the public restroom at work.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, I want, like, I figured it out a way
in this two this two uh stall bathroom where I
could make it look like the other stall was occupied,
Like I would turn the knob but it wouldn't close,
but it would show that little red like occupied, and
then if I came out, I would undo it.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Uh, all right, this is unbelievable behavior.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
But now you're.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Denying, you know, people with great urgency because you're like,
you know, essentially squatting in the empty toilet like a ghost.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, I guess, so I didn't think about that. Maybe
there's someone who's like just had a coffee and it's like.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
A exactly or what if they're you know, not able
to walk so easily then down to the next one
because you're like, well, I'm Josh Holiday and I don't
have to squat next to anyone.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, I guess. So I'm lording my bathroom over other people.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
And you got those long arms, you can just reach
into the other stall and trick the knobs out with that.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
No no, no, like it's not actually locked like it.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Oh yeah, but they also, like the resourceful among us,
will just look at the feet and get a coin
out of the pocket and fix the lock and go right.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, no, it's not not even locked, like like basically
it's like in your hotel room, if you put the
dead bolt and you let it close, it looks like
it might be closed, but it's still still open. Uh
so yeah. So but anyway, so there's there's this there.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
So there's most extreme momentssed but.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I saw that. But I saw this this so this square,
this mirrored public bathroom like just in the middle of
a public square, and I saw when they go inside,
they show a view and I'm like, you can see
everybody around, and that's for a long long time. I
was like like I was a paranoid pooper. And I
even have like like when I saw that, I kind
of it triggered memories of like, wait, say, I have

(16:08):
dreams about like not being able to close curtains, like
so like I worry about like it must be like
a real phobia of people being able to see me
do my business, because because I I it did, I
more on more than one, like a bunch of occasions.
I think sometimes maybe it's having a bath hem but
not being able to close the curtains or there's someone
can view me from another house. It's yeah, so all

(16:31):
my neurosities are on on display.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
No one cares.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah, I know well that at this stage too, I
feel like I should be over that. And yeah, who
gives a crass? Years now, some like gritty old dude,
who's you know he is taking a poop? I saw
there's a two Zachary's in the in the in the
news this week. There's that Zachary guy who plays Shazam

(16:57):
who's a right wing nut bag. But zacharyinto the actor.
He is playing a character with face blindness. And whenever
I see articles about this, I'm always I'm always fascinating
because I feel like I have a mild case of it,
because I will see people that I definitely know, like

(17:20):
even people who you don't have regular contact with, and
I'll see them in a location that's not where I
normally see them, Like you see someone you know, if
it's it's a friend who I see work all the time.
If I see them in like a store or a.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Thing, takes out of their usual set and their habitat
as you've categorized them in your head, that it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I don't have the contact, so it takes me a while,
like I know, I know this person I kind of like,
but in this show, it's more like basically, you know,
he comes home to his wife and he doesn't recognize
the person and then you know, and there's people like
that I've seen sixty minutes.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean that, like there's sudden onset face blindness. Is
that what this is supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
No, I think it's it's like like it's a long
term thing.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
I interality, So he would forget his wife every day
when he left for work.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, there's people like like I saw this documentary where
a man is with his family at the beach and
he goes to get some SODA's and then he comes
back he doesn't recognize his family family. Like it really
is like a heavy thing.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
This is bad.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
But this the show is based on based on a
a real ish story. Uh there's a doctor, Oliver Wolfe
was a doctor who actually had uh this this face blindness.
So it's it's always always fascinated by it. I think
I I on this actual show. You dug way down
on their archives. I think I interviewed someone who had

(18:45):
done a documentary on it because I was I was.
I was so fascinating.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
It's fascinating that sounds interesting at the same time horrifying.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, scary.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I've had a situation where like I've been in the
room with the person and then I meet them and
I'm like, oh, I've never I'm ever been around this person.
But then we're all comics and he goes and does
his act and I'm like, oh, no, I remember these
jokes for this act.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's how I know that guy. Uh you Uh. I'm
unfortunately still in the dating world. Uh that's a as
a confirmed bachelor. And uh, I've noticed that there's new terms.
Like in the old days, as a curious teen, I

(19:30):
would look at at at ads like in the newspaper.
This is pre internet, and there would be ads like
singles ads, and some of them were like uh b
b W And I always thought that was a big
black woman.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
But it was okay, wow, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
When I was a kid, I thought, because I didn't
know the thing, and but it's a big beautiful woman.
That's sort of the the the term for that. But
back then there was also an artistic term that was
used all the time, uh rubenesque, yes, right, which ruben
is an artist who painted ladies who were full bodied

(20:11):
and substuous. You have voluptuous kind of you know, And
so that would often be used the Rubenesque right as
a kind of a code. Uh. And now I'm seeing
a new one on a lot of profiles provider mindset.
They're looking for looking for guys with a provider mindset.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well obviously yes.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Which essentially boys down to uh yeah, I want to
I want you to provide for me.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
It will need you to make substantial funds. I think
on TikTok they were like they had a little song
about it. It's like six foot trust fund. Uh yeah,
but that was the job in finance. It's a little
rhythm thing.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
That I've forgotten, Okay, that sounds.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Resonated with the ladies for a little while in the summer.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
That's provider mindset. And there's also like traditional roles. There's
there's all these codifications that it's like.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Hey, you're worried about the right wing media, you've got
your own like little uh uh farming or a farm
system of it.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I guess you can kind of like read between the
lines and you kind of know. And then there's also
still people like uh, of a vaccine kind of people
on there who are like not vaxine.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Free or it's like not vaxed in free, wipe left,
all that's.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Wipe left, pure blood.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah. Uh more vaccine when you were a child.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, they don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
You get the polio, the Salk vaccine. I mean they
lined up, you know what I mean, they lined up
for the Salk vaccine because it was a miracle.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
It was a miracle. Drunk. Uh, there's actually uh. I
saw an article about they were on the cusp of
being able to offer a cancer vaccine, uh, specifically for
ovarian cancer, but basically a cancer vaccine.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
That's happened in Cuba has a cancer vaccine, but I
don't remember what cancer.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Well, and it got me thinking that, like, what what's
the line in the sand for anti vaxers, Like, like, no, dude, this.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Thing's a it's just a it's just a snowball, like
if it started down the hill with the COVID vaccine.
But then there was also an underlying fear like there
was already like an anti vax like stub enclave of people.
There was a whole upon the COVID train.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
There was the autism kind of like yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Relatively speaking, been disproven.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, but then and then the uh yeah, then the
distant misinformation uh got spread and more and more people
became uh they saw.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Measles outbreaks, and there's a lot they like, oh yeah,
we went from ninety six percent it, uh you know
or something like that vaccinated to ninety three percent vaccinated,
and now we're having measles outbreaks.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I think even polio came back somewhere recently. Like it's
it's insane, Yeah, it is. These people are are are
such morons.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean, but I mean it's just one of those
things where it's like the fear of the unknown. I mean,
then if people asking for the co vaccine of their death, bet,
it's like, that's not how it works, dude.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I I do wonder though, like like if like they
because they're selfish people in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I don't even think that. I think they're afraid and
they don't understand it really.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that's that's a lot of it.
They've been fed misinformation.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
And then you know, there's there's examples of misdeeds in
science over generations. Oh for sure, gone here and there
in the world, and so there's substantial reason to DISTRUNCT authority.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeah, I mean, but you can cherry pick that stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
And yeah, I mean you look at the data on
the unvaxed COVID scenario versus the vaxed and see what
the outcomes look like, and you make your judgment call
based on that. I guess.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, it's it's basically it's been proven a time and
time of gain that it's effective at reducing the severity.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Of I mean, even the things that they're afraid of,
like the heart inflammation, which is temporary. COVID itself causes
you know, actual vascular damage.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
You're ten times more likely to have heart issues with
COVID than with the vaccine. Yeah, it's insane, Uh, but
I do I wonder though, like if if they came
out with a cure all vaccine for cancer, Like would
would these people all of a sudden change their minds?

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like what would like? How no way to know?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
How deep is that that? That fear that you wouldn't
do when COVID.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
When COVID came, I was like, this is gonna be
like a tidal wave that's gonna wash over the society
and change a lot of things. But then I didn't
bang gone or didn't comprehend the potential of the misinformation
that was come with it in the hysteria.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Well, I also wondered, like if, like the fact that
the death rate wasn't you know, it wasn't all things
considered per capita super super high. I wonder if something
like bird flow or something more more deadly started to spread,
how how reluctant these people might be to get it, uh,
and if they didn't, it might actually lead to a

(25:31):
reduction in the in the herd. We get rid of us.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Back in Texas and you know, she was like, uh,
you know, where's the pandemic. I don't see I don't
see it around my neighborhood, blah blah blah. And I'm like,
we'll go to a hospital in New York City. They
have portable morgues set up and they're full. I mean
there was a multiple points over the in different parts
of the country where it was like there were no

(25:55):
beds available period.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
But and there like refrigerator trucks, we're in demand a
little more. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Yeah, Uh,
this is kind of cool. There's a there's uh this
is from Brigham and Woman's Hospital in Boston. Uh, they
are working on a nose spray like a nasal spray

(26:19):
that could help fight against colds, flu and co and
covid all in one like like squirt an actual keep
reading and pneumonia as well. So basically, uh it.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
But it's not a vaccination.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
No, it's a drug free formulation that traps respiratroy droplets,
immobilizing germs and neutralizing them, preventing infection. So I think
it's more of a like a preventative. I still think
better mucus. Yeah, yeah, put a barrier up there.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yes, So I gonna come back in a minute. I
this Bert, the the other voice you hear on this program,
is in New Jersey and he's dealing with all kinds
of us stuff. But I have to I have to
come back and talk briefly about uh, the worst premier
in the history of Ontario and maybe in the country. Uh,

(27:15):
basically U corrupt, corrupt screamier. We'll talk about him in
a moment.

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Speaker 2 (27:45):
Live Saturday Morning. I'm Josh Bert is here as well. Uh,
that's that's right, that's right, confirming everything we we wondered.
Oh what is going on here? Something's going on with
my phone here all the like. It really is like

(28:05):
like that Rick Moranus DJ doing everything himself in the
in the studio. I want this to connect to this.
There we go. Okay, uh so uh on this show,
before you were even on this show, Bert, I have
long talked about what is going on this damn thing?

(28:28):
You can hear that in the background. I don't know
if you can.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
It's do not disturb time shirt, I know, stop stop disturb.
How do I One man's phone is another man's scream pot?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah all right, I'm gonna just disconnect this. Yeah, okay,
So on the show before you were here, even like
a couple of years ago. This Doug Ford, brother of
Doug Ford, So he's the He comes from a kind
of an interesting family. His brother Rob Ford was the

(29:04):
famous crack smoking mayor of Toronto.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yes, the guy brothers are politically active.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah. And and Rob Ford not only crack smoking mayor,
also the guy who talked about in the media. He
was doing a media scrum and he was talking about sex,
oral sex, and he said I've got plenty enough to
eat at home. Uh that that was an actual quote

(29:35):
from oppressed thing. He Yeah, he was just like this.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Thank god, he is so you know, free with his.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
And he had kind of a kind of a weird,
like a weird charisma, just like he's kind of a loser,
but you know, like there's some sympathy. You had some
sympathy for him, but a weird charisma. Guys getting unsealed
indictments these days. But this but but his brother lack
any kind of charisma. If you look at him, he
I think I've you've seen a picture of him before.

(30:04):
He he has like.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
The charisma was in the crack.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, he has shark eyes. This brother his But you're
like a couple of years ago when when the election
was happening, I said, the key if you're looking for
for a politician, if you're looking at electing a politician,
voting for a politician, there's one simple question that you
have to answer, is this person getting in politics because

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they want to help people, help the population, or are
they getting into politics because they want to help themselves
and their friends? And it's a really really simple equation,
and I wish more people would just take and take
a look at this. But he got elected. A lot
of it had to do with with voter apathy, like
people weren't well, there's a couple of reasons here in

(30:51):
Canada that that that people who are are in the
minority majority rule. We have a three party system and
that's true of our provincial government too. We have the Liberals,
the NDPH and the Conservatives.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Now is it a system or is it just the happenstance.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
It's well, I think probably happenstance.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Because there's also there could be a fourth party that
displaces one of the third.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Right there is, well, yeah, there is, for there's a
Green Party too, so that adds to it. But there
was basically one party that's conservative and two and a
half parties that are are are for more progressive ideas,
and so the progressive idea parties split the vote and
so they'll end up being like sixty percent. Sixty percent

(31:39):
of people who vote for the combined parties that are
for progressive ideas and then thirty or forty percent for
the conservative But because the vote is split up among
the thing, we get these these corrupt mobsters in power
like we do now. He was Doug Ford was in

(31:59):
the This is actual from the newspaper. He was a
high school drug dealer and that yeah, he was a hashlinger.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
In the same business for many years to well. I
think that supply and demand.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I think he made a lot of connections at that
time that he has maintained throughout his political career because
he and the crazy thing is like it's just so
out in the open, the corruption, like it's so so
so blatant. And part of the frustration here is is
that we have the RCMP, which is I guess similar

(32:35):
to the FBI that are supposed to investigate things like this.
We have a provincial police system, but this Doug Ford
has appointed one of his mobster friends to be the
head of the board for the police, and he's constantly
giving them more and more money. So it's kind of
like he's got his own little police force and they're

(32:58):
going to kind of turn a blind eye to whatever
whatever he does. He he's he he wants this highway,
this highway for one three to go. He's always about
like cars and and that type of thing. So one
of the things he did was this highway for one
three that we don't really really need. And then they

(33:19):
put out a map, not him, but but journalists and
people put out a map and they showed all along
this route all these developers had bought up all this
this land before before the highway came out.

Speaker 4 (33:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
And then we have something called the green belt here,
which is which is kind of a mostly untouchable swath
of land through Ontario that's you know, parks and greenery
and basically untouchable, some farming and not so long ago,
like in the last two years, he decided to sell

(33:54):
off some of that green belt or to open up
that green belt for development. He opened someone that green
belt for development. And then what happened as people looked
and they said, oh wait a second, about two or
three months before he opened this this green belt to
actual development, many of his developer buddies, his mobster buddies,
bought up land at a at a really cheap price.

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It just feels like there might be a coincidence in that,
in the fact that all of a sudden, this land
became incredibly, incredibly valuable. Now, the good thing is there
was a large hue and cry and he was forced
to kind of reverse that decision, and I think the
mobster buddies were probably mad, so he's trying to do
other things to make them happy. And they also announced

(34:41):
that there is an RCNP investigation. But it's been like
two years or so, nothing's come out and nothing's happened,
and his corruption continues. Like there's this we have an island,
like an island at the foot of Toronto at the
lake that used to be kind of like a public park.
There's a water park there and a lot of wildlife trees.

(35:04):
Is this really?

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
This island that people grew up with and people really
really loved and it had fallen into a state of disrepair.
But part of that, I think is is so that
he could make an excuse that, well, no one's using
it in disrepair. So he made this secret ninety nine
year lease with a Scandinavian company to open this megaspa

(35:27):
on that land. And part of that was agreeing to
spend like a billion dollars on on on helping get
it set up with parking lots and stuff like that,
and they looked at the revenue, like the revenue model
basically works out to based on the projections, it's going
to lose lose money over the over the next ninety

(35:49):
nine years, we're gonna have it's gonna be a white elephant.
And it really came to a head this past week
when in the middle of the night they started cutting
down a ton of trees on the island. And when
something happens in the middle of the night, you know
there's something like, you know, there's a reason for that.
So he's trying to keep from island. I guess you mean,
what's that is this center island? No, this is Ontario Place. Yeah,

(36:12):
look up Ontario Place. You'll see here. So the other
thing he did, and I've talked about this on the
show before, is we we have this beloved Ontario Science Center,
which is this huge, amazing building built on the side
of a hill into a ravine. And I've gone there,
kids have gone there for years and it's amazing, amazing building.

(36:33):
It's right at the at the at this big intersection.
And he this doug Ford made a subway that the
subway line a new one he's building that that goes
right to that space, and the station is named Science Center.
But recently he announced, well, we're gonna we're gonna move
the Science Center to the island. I guess to give

(36:56):
some cover to the fact that we have reinvolving the island,
We'll move this science center here, not nearly the amount
of land there. And they used an excuse that there's
some roof panels that were faulty at the Science Center,
but they said that could have been easy, like experts
and architects, that it could be easily repaired. But it's
basically a way of them shuddering at early and right

(37:19):
across the intersection from where this science center is. One
of these developers to Gasperis has bought a huge parcel
of land with a subway right at the doorstep. And
so I don't know what's going to happen with a
science center property. I can't imagine what kind of development

(37:44):
it's like that such a like the corruption is just
right out in the open, even this Thermaeus Spa. If
you dig not even that deep, you see that a
lot of the people on the board were people who
used to work with him. Uh and and if you
look into the company, some of the the company h

(38:07):
bought part of his business in the US in the past.
So it's just it's like it's right out there in
the open, and it's frustrating that we don't hear anything
from uh the r c MP, who should be looking
into this this corruption, because it's not it's not like
they would have to really really dig deep. It's right
there in the open, like you're spelling it all out here,

(38:28):
and it's all yeah, and he's all about the populism,
like he's he's like, oh, we got he spent a
billion dollars to save six months on getting beer and
wine in inconvenience stores, so that would have happened six
months from now, but uh he spent an extra billion
to end that early billion. Yeah. Uh yeah. It's all

(38:51):
and and essentially that the the l CBO is a
is a is a publicly held company and it generates
a lot of revenue which is which is put back
into the province to help help with developed well basically
make the province better. And so we're losing that revenue.
And of course he has some ties with with seven

(39:13):
eleven people as well, had secret meetings with them. It's
just everywhere you look, this guy is just a just
a freaking corrupt lobster. Yeah, he and I don't know anyway,
he's he's he's terrible. And part of the problem was
the voter apathy because when you look at it, only

(39:33):
eighteen percent of people in Ontario actually voted for this
doug Ford. Eighteen percent of the population and he's he's yeah,
it's just a nightmare. And as I've mentioned before, it's
not like some of the states where you can have
a recall, where where people can say enough is enough.
He's kind of locked in there, and so I just

(39:57):
wish I wish well. The problem too is the the
newspapers aren't doing as good a job as they should
be digging into some of this stuff. So it's damn frustrating.
And what about you, you're a I'm just checking out this.
Uh you know these islands? Yeah, East Island, Yeah it
was they had a big Imax theater there. Yeah, it's

(40:18):
it's like and it's rand in the waterfront. And also
uh Island. He's kind of put in like like he's
he's skirted different laws and stuff by it by making
leisureslation that said that he didn't have to do an
environmental assessment before putting this thing there, like just everywhere
you look, like adding direction you look with this guy.
Corruption corruption, corruption.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I mean the nice thing about Google in Canada is
they'll put the Google camera on a bike and send
the person through West Island.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
So yeah, just you know, you can take a walk
around around it. Yeah, in structures very feeling, and there's
a concert ven there's a concert venue there, but there's.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Still all that. Yeah, if you take the smaller one,
there's a music guard and the amphitheater. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, it used to they used to have this, uh
like music stage. They used to have a music venue
there that was like surrounded stages, like a circular stage
that was surrounded and it would rotate very very slowly.
So it's kind of kind of a cool concert experience
where the band would like face you once in a
while and then they would go around.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Uh yeah airport nearby.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, there's island airports there, and then there's
Center Island. Yeah. Ah, let's talk about happier things, happier
ish thing.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
And so your show, it's your time, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
So, uh, they did a statistical analysis good, uh, using
online ratings, box office success, Oscar recognition and determine the
greatest actors of all time and the worst actors of
all time. Some of the names may surprise is you.

(42:00):
We'll tell you who in a sec.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
People say a lot of things about Josh.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
There's a website devoted to all things Josh.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
You're kidding me, No, sometimes things that are even nice.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I was immediately attracted to Josh.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Tell them what do you think?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
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Speaker 2 (42:17):
It's Josh Holiday live, Yes, live on the home Stretch
here Saturday morning, already in Soo October. I am Josh.
His name is Bert. And so they did the statistical analysis, uh,
taking into account online ratings, box office office success, and

(42:40):
Oscar recognition to determine who are the best and worst
actors out there.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
We're gonna iglify the subjective wonderful Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Well yeah, statistics, Yeah, well, some of it's some of.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Its fight value to things. And then we're going to
turn a human alleged art form into a numerical provable.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Okay, yeah, so let's yeah, so let's maybe not the
greatest actors or maybe the most quantifiably successful, because I'm
sure there's there's a lot of good actors out there,
but these are the ones who uh critically, critically do well,
box office do well, uh and and rating online ratings

(43:23):
due and oscars as well. So uh number ten is
a Christian Bale number number nine, Dustin Hoffwin. There's a
longevity thing there as well. Denzel Washington legends digging way back,
Where were you Elsewhere? Fan? I I never watched Saint Elsewhere,
but I did have I did have a pair of

(43:45):
scrubs that said Saint Elsewhere because there there was one
episode I watched that I was like, Wow, this is brilliant.
It was where they're like brilliant. Howie Wandell was in
some lake on a boat or something like this alternate world.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Was his character name?

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (43:59):
Yeah, but I did hear that the guys were the
Northern Exposure guys. They Joshua Brandon, John Polsey.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Yet oh the same dudes. Okay, I didn't even know
Daniel Washington was in there.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Uh, this is an older one, Jack Lemon. I guess
if you if you quantify uh in your account for inflation,
Tom Hanks, not a huge surprise. Brad Pitt also not
a huge surprise. Jack Nicholson, not a surprise, Tom Greats
uh Al Pacino who not for a surprise salad dressing,

(44:36):
Paul Newman's Paul Newman's number two?

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Now number one? Who do you think number one is?
Is there a name that's conspicuously absent here?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
H yeah, I'm not good at this time.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah, okay, well go ahead. Number one is Leonardo DiCaprio.
So he's ranked number two online with with in terms
of of of ratings, number five of the box office,
and number thirty in Oscar recognition.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yeah. I mean he's one of those that's been very
uh shrewd.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
His uh packs good roles and he works with he
works with a lot of good directors, which certainly helps.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
You have to be in Scorsese's back pocket all the time. Yeah. Yeah,
I love some of those movies.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
So yeah, yeah, and I think I always find he's
entertaining someone who's names that are conspicuously absent. Tom Cruise
is not in there, which I was really surprised to see.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yeah. How much Oscar recognition has he gott?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Yeah, not very much. Yeah, he's it's more pop pop
fluff stuff. He's in more action. He kind of not
not not actory stuff. And the other one, which is
not surprising at all, is Johnny Deubb is not in there,
even though he's quite popular. But I don't I can't
think of anything he's done that's been critically good, Like

(45:58):
can you think of it? I think there's been something
probably a long time ago in the past, but more
he's become self parody a little bit, all right. So
with the with the best comes the worst. Uh these
and so there were no ladies on that list, but

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it includes both men and women, and so the worst
actors these are the worst actors, well worst actors successfully
in history based.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Is an impossible thing to calculate, I know, but they
there's actors that never made it are the worst.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, oh absolutely, oh yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. It's like
the we don't know them.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
They're unknown to history because they're.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
So they're so so bad.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
But this is one of the worst successful actors.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I mean, I guess, yeah, the worst actors that if
I guess, I don't know where you draw the line. Okay, fine,
they've had uh yeah, I wonder if they had like
a minimum number of films. I don't I don't know,
but anyway, Uh, this is based on online movie ratings,
box office success, and oh, this one is based on
they include it. Uh, not oscar stuff, but Razzie recognition.

(47:06):
So the Razzies are basically the answer to the Oscars,
like the worst actors. So I guess you would have
had to have won a Razzie, which means that you've
been in a film that was pretty widely released. Number
ten Val Kilmer, who I think Val Kilmer's best role
was in Top Secret. Oh, it was like that.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
He revived the Saint franchise, the oh yeah original series.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
But do you remember top Secret? Basically the same guys
who did Airplane. I yeah, I that kind of I
never you didn't like that stuff, And I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Think I saw Top Secret. I did see the they
were That genre was revitalized in the early nineties with
like hot Shots. That's right, Yeah, I did not like
hot Shots.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Apparently they're they're doing a new Airplane, which I don't
think is necessary. And instead of Leslie Nielsen, it is
Liam Neeson halle Berry, who is actually a great actress
and has has had some success. But I guess box
office wise and and the facts. He's made some duds
as well. Nicholas Cage who uh.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
He's done good and bad and people ridicule him.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
So I guess, yeah, well this one makes it Cuba Goodings, Junior.
Remember he at a time he went, he went like
a supporting actor or something, and then hood came around,
and where where DiCaprio has made all kinds of good
choices with movies. This guy chows all kinds of like
just bad bad stuff like remember.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Radio I do. I didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
No, I just saw the trailers. Uh. Demi Moore, who's
in a new movie that's supposed to be kind of
kind of good all right? Uh, Steven Sial it's number five?
I fine, Okay, yes, much more pop in Russia. I agree, But.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
He's like again, it's the same category. It's the successful
bad actor.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah. Megan Fox is on the list for yeah obviously. Yeah.
Sharon Stone, who has had like she did some all
right stuff early. Yeah, I mean she's a working actress.
She's done okay. Kim Basinger another person who's been in
some okay movies. She was in some early on and

(49:27):
then then yeah, a lot of it. I think he's
just choices that people make. Interesting that way to me.
But you know, and the number one list, number one
worst actor according to this statistical stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Like Madonna, Hey look at that?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
You got it?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:45):
That's this list was composed in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Oh was the same lesson?

Speaker 3 (49:50):
No, I'm just saying it's just one of those things.
I mean, because Madonna's reputation for being a bad actress
was cemented by Shanghai Surprise, Yeah with Sean Penn and
it was not good, and it was it was. But
I'm saying the person who wrote this list is my
age or older, which is not the correct person to
do it, probably, but whatever.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Well, I think they entered like partially, you have to
have had, like, like you know, a certain length of career,
imagine to make the list to begin with, right.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
The person who's analyzing the careers also has to be
the critic must also be older in order to remember, oh, yeah,
Madonna had a movie career that was bad for a
little while.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
No, but I think they were they do.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
It wasn't sustained, right.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
But I think they take the the the whole over
of that person.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
So Steven Segal has had a very lengthy career of
bad movies. Yeah, yeah, for sure, so he should be
number one.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Well, but then they combined like box office as well,
so maybe some of those did okay.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
At the box made money though, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So in Madonna's case, she's the number six worst in
online ratings for her work, number four in box office failure,
and number fourteen in Razzy recognition, which is kind of
the weird.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
So it's like, Okay, somebody, who's who's the who's the
best worst in box office and the other thing?

Speaker 2 (51:11):
You know. Yeah, we could probably dig into the study.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
Money that the answer from nineteen eighty six is still correct.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, it hasn't changed much. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I
don't think. When's the last movie Madonna may I don't
even know.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
It's been decades.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah, she made that list. It is Josh Holiday Live.
We are here every Saturday morning, pretty much every Saturday
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Speaker 3 (51:50):
There you go, yeah, the whole country.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
How many how many US the Yankees?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
You got on the air. Yeah, not that many. And
I was lucky that I did pick nineteen eighty. That
is the date of Shanghai surprise.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Look at you get out to some pub trivia. You're
you're hot.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Oh I'm good at trivia me too.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Uh yeah. Also I would I would hazard to say,
probably the smartest show you here on. Oh consaga I sixty. Yeah,
for sure. This is the most the most well the
most factual smart showy morning. Yeah. All right, well, whatever
it is you you you do whatever you want with
that information. We'll see you next week.

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