NEWSTALK SAUGUA960 NOVEMBER 2, 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Live from Toronto to the world. This is Josh Holiday Live.
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Like this vibe is just like strong and masculine and tough.

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The phone lines are now open Kyles six four seven
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Speaker 5 (00:26):
No November already. We are into the the month of November,
second of November twenty twenty four live on a Saturday morning.
Burt is the year as well from the US and

(00:48):
a yeah, yeah, yeah, just standing by. Did you do
any exciting for Halloween? I know you're sort of in
the middle of the woods, so there's not much to do.
Had no fun, no fun at all. I I went
up to my mother's house and our house as they
say in the States, and handed out candy, and I

(01:11):
decided I would I would bring you know, my train horn, my, my, my,
one of my favorite toys.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes, you have a expensive drill that they converted into
a a train horn.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Yeah, it's like a DeVault air drill that has been
modified and there's four giant horns on it horn. No, No,
that's the old school. This one's like like if you're
at a railway crossing and an actual train.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Goes by, it's as loud as the real thing.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
As loud as. Yeah, so I and I have a
remote control for it. So I put it in just
behind underneath some ferns at my mom's front door. And
then when the kids came up to the door, I'd
opened the door and then I pressed the button and
get some raise. Yeah, they and then some of the kids,

(02:01):
like there was this girl who was probably like probably
like six or seven, and she thought that the horn
was somehow affiliate with the doorbell and she wouldn't reach
the doorbell. She's trying to reach the door be able
to make the horn. I had to show her. Now
it was this remote here, that's how that's how it works. Yeah,
it was, and it was actually good here. They were

(02:22):
expecting rain, which it feels like the last bunch of
halloweens here in Toronto has been a rainy, which is
really kind of depressing for kids having to put like
rain stuff over there. They're jackets.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
It's not preferred, but it was.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
It was like twenty three or twenty four degrees. Sorry,
you don't know what that is exactly. It was warmish
and no rain, so it was like ideal.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I mean the high yesterday or on Halloween was like
eighty yeah, so probably like way too much, maybe seventy
here in the US terms, and so like kind of
kind of ideal.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Like the kids didn't have to like coats over costumes
or have to have umbrellas.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
It was it was right. I mean, the fact that
they didn't have to wear jackets in this northern climb
is quite concerning.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
Concerning Yes, uh, it's sort of good. Good for Halloween. Uh,
not great for the world overall and the survival of
the planet.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But that's how I always remembered how hot it is
in Texas, is that I'm a child, I'm in a
Halloween costume. It's pitch black outside, and I'm sweating.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:30):
Well, I imagine, especially if you made the poor decision
to wear some kind of rubber mask or something. I
can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Those are just the old plastic masks back in those days. Yeah,
but if you put a little it's just not even
over your whole head.

Speaker 5 (03:42):
It's just a face, you know. But I pity the
guy who decides to put the full face and.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
The number of committed you know, teenager teenage boys who
were had on crazy full head masks. When I was
a kid, there seemed like they were everywhere.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Yeah, I I never had a bad decision like that.
I think I've told you my worst decision. My worst
Halloween decision was when I was young, like probably like
early teens, if that maybe, like you know whatever, between
ten and thirteen. Somewhere in there. I think we decided
to go as like Kiss members of Kiss, and we

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had found in like oftentimes you'd find gems walking to
school in people's garbage, and we found some ladies high
heel boots and we thought, oh, well, yes, they were
like high boots. And we didn't really realize that walking
miles and miles and miles and high heels after you

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do it isn't especially comfortable.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Oh no, I don't think it's comfortable while you're doing it.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
No, So I learned a lesson then, and now I
learned a respect for ladies and high heels. I have
to talk quickly about something Ontario specific. We have this
very very corrupt, some might say mob mob affiliated premier

(05:13):
who this is sort of similar to what a governor
is there.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
And he.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
Always his brother was mayor. He was his brother was
a crack smoking mayor. Oh yes, and Doug Ford the
brother like the less crasal, not that the other one
was super charismatic, but the shark like Doug Ford, who's
in there now and is basically acting on behalf of
basically only his himself and his his rich benefactors. I've

(05:42):
gone over the litany of stuff he's done, but this week,
this week a new one. I think he always aspired
to be mayor of Toronto, but we didn't want him.
Most of his votes come from the suburbs and the
rural areas. But he still feels like he he like
he he interferes with our city politics, even though you know,

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there's auto there's a bunch of cities in in Ontario
under his his purview as the provincial head, his dominion.
But he likes to meddle in Toronto because it's you know,
he has to come in here to the Queen's Park.
And in the past he's changed rules about the council
and stuff, and so this last week he decided that, well,

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we got to get rid of bike lanes in Toronto
bike lanes are slow on traffic. I have this new
decree that every new bike lane that gets gets gets created,
has to run through the approval of the Ontario Province.
And we're also going to rip out some existing bike
lanes on very popular routes. So it's like that, Like

(06:50):
I don't know, I'm trying to think of a parallel
for you, Like if say the governor of Pennsylvania decided, well,
in Pittsburgh, they got too many bike lanes, we need
to take them out. I'm I'm the governor.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
There's a lot of that kind of thing happens, not
with bike lanes that I've heard, but yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
It's just I think part of it is that kind
of red meat because he's going to call an election
in the spring, and he's already going to give out
three plus billion dollars worth of money to taxpayers in
the form of two hundred dollars bribes in the next
month or two. And then I think a lot of
his suburban nite voters who are sort of his core,

(07:28):
they probably were like, well, yeah, these bike lanes, I
don't know about the I'm in my car all the
time and these bikes we got a who's driving bikes.
But uh, it's just it's it's just another piece of
poop on the pile that he's created here and here
in Ontario. Yeah, as I said on the show many

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many times, Canada, despite what right wing disinformation will tell you, well,
there's all kinds of spreaders of disinformation here in Canada,
some of it funded by Russia, a lot of it
funded by Russia. Canada is in is in great shape.
Every metric you look at, every metric that you would

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measure a country's success by.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Private equity taken over real estate, how are you on
that front?

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Not as bad as the US, It's still still it's
still happening.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
We have a lot of every metric.

Speaker 5 (08:20):
Then, Yeah, but comparatively, we're saying comparatively like.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
In the in the in the context of what is
permissible in this capitalist structure. Is that what you mean
to say?

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Yeah, I'm saying we're near at or near the top
of every list you would measure a country's success by.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Whether people are miserable. So something else is going on.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
The happiness index, the quality of life index, the inflation index,
And this came out this week Moody's the Moody's rating company. Yeah,
they have reaffirmed Canada's Triple A credit rating, noting very
high per capita income levels and high compness, and about

(09:02):
the Trudeau government's history and continued focus on maintaining a
prudent fiscal policy stance. So, uh, Canada is in great
shape financially. Uh. Now, the trouble is there's there's a
contingent of people here, probably the same people who when
they polled said if they were in the States they
would vote for Trump, of misinformed, dumb dumbs, people who

(09:25):
might listen to Jordan Peterson.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
That's your words.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
I know, I'm just saying it's it's those are your words.
Misinformed is the main word, not that almost dumb numbs.
But but I guess prone to disinformation and misinformation.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
A lie travels faster than the truth.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
That's your sage wisdom.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Yeah. So, as I've said many times, Canada is in great,
great shape, and there's but there's still a lot of
people here who are like, oh, f Trudeau, we got
to get rid of Trudeau. And if you ask them why,
they probably wouldn't be able to give you a coagent reasoning,
just oh, he's bad he's this, he's that, and if
you question them that, they would have no facts or
logical if you well.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
You can scratch the surface with people, you know, you
can question.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, I do sometimes get.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Down into the substrate. Yeah, it just kind of evaporates
and they're still just going to vote for the same person.
Absolutely is based on nothing.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
If you okay, here here with that, Okay, if you're
listening now, and you, if you were a US citizen,
would vote for Donald Trump or even Pierre poly Eva,
I would love to hear. I would love to hear
why six four seven six, yo, Josh, he calls up
and you explain why you would do that. The other

(10:39):
problem is that in the US, you have a bunch
of local papers, and then you have uh, some papers
that are yeah, yeah, some papers that are kind of
nationally recognized. You have your Washington Post in New York Times.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
There's a few papers left, is mind what I'm.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
Saying, Elie Times Chicago, the one that.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Haven't closed or it got taken over by billionaires who
can afford to run.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Them, well a lot of them. Yeah, like USA Today,
the company that owns the USA Today took over a
ton of local newspapers, yes.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
And made them shallow.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
But here in Canada, most of the newspapers are owned
by one large newspaper chain and it is controlled by
some cock affiliated like like US, it's basically owned by US.
The US companies that are are very, very Trump friendly.
And so the problem is pretty much every newspaper on

(11:34):
every newsstand here is propagandizing against Trudeau. Sure, it's basically
I'm talking about the Post Media company and their main paper,
the National Post, which is a national newspaper. They have
been spreading a lot of disinformation and lies and it's

(11:55):
it's gotten a lot worse. And they at least one
of their columnists made the case that an endorsement essentially
of Donald Trump someone it's crazy. Uh. There's there's another
national newspaper, the Globe and Mail, and uh, it's news
tends to be fairly center right, but their opinion columns

(12:18):
have have recently, over the last year or two, swerved
more to the to the right wing and kind of
parroted those those right wing talking points.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (12:28):
And then there's the Toronto Star, which is the big
Toronto paper. Uh, it does get distribution across the country.
They've always been on the left side. But they had
some new ownership too, and they're kind of shifting a
little bit towards the center, so their center left.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I like how, I like how this this predictable pattern happens. Yeah,
new ownership all of a sudden be a little more
right wing.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
But so we have that. And and so in terms
of people getting information, any pretty much any newspaper they're
reading is eating them disinformation. We don't have a lot
of in the States. You have your slates and your salons,
and you have a lot of websites that are are
countering disinformation.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Where they are ignored by the vast people that yeah,
but they reached.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
They exist. But but here most of the online so
called news sources are our right wing disinformation. So there's
maybe a couple like like Press, Progress, dot c A,
which is a national and then the Taie which is
a small newspaper in BC. But at least in the States,

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people are are have access to actual, uh information that
would would disavow them of or just what disprove the
the thoughts they have that they've been fed the misinformation.
Like even the big papers like the Washington Post it
does have obviously they they made a huge fu a

(14:00):
in not uh not making an endorsement or or withholding
an endorsement. Same thing with some of the other butt.
But in terms of national papers, they tend to have
a center maybe center center, I would say center. People
would accuse them of being center left, but the facts
basically tend to lean lean left according to the right wing.

(14:23):
So yeah, so we don't have that here. So we're
not like a real disinformation overload. And so there's a
lot of Canadians who who somehow think that Canada is
in bad shave, Canada is broken, Canada is not free,
all these all this disinformation and uh, so far we
we found out that uh, Jordan Peterson is being funded

(14:45):
by Russia, and I'm still waiting to see what other
Canadian right wing news spreaders are.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
That's where he went for detox treatments.

Speaker 5 (14:55):
Oh yeah, he's come on and he I mean, essentially he's.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Like the when they had him under the influence of
whatever they sedated him for a long time.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah, maybe they have some comproment on him too, who knows,
But yeah, he's not really the brightest guy. Like there's
there's a lot of guys who are like, oh, he's
he's like this this sage, this this intellectual preconviction. Yeah,
he he makes word salads that a lot of uh,
a lot of I don't know what. It's mostly dudes,

(15:28):
I think who fall into his trap and it's like, oh,
he's an intellectual. But these are guys who are suffering
from Dunning Kruger effect where they think, oh, yeah, well
I'm I'm smart too. But if you're if you're if
you're idolizing or a fanboy of of Jordan Peterson, maybe
you ain't so bright. That's so I'm saying, maybe you've

(15:48):
fallen into some kind of phony intellectual trap.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
So we have that, So we are Kennadian media is
U is basically held by right wing interests. And another
guy who's Canadian who is making his influence around the
world is Canada's worst prime minister ever was the person
who was in charge before Justin Trudeau. His name is

(16:16):
Stephen Harper. He set up snitch lines. He's very very
right wing, and he was manipulative. He didn't really put
forward any maybe one or two things that helped the
Canadian people, but just a bad person overall. And now
he's in charge of something called the IDU, the International

(16:36):
Democratic Union, which is kind of an oxymoron because it's
anti democracy, it's pro fascist. He's in charge of this
pro fascist group. He was one of the guys who
is part of the IDU was caught up in the
January sixth things and I think served as some jail time.
Harper this week came out and said, oh, you gotta

(16:58):
vote for Trump, which is unsurprised because he's he wants
he wants fascism and dictatorships around the world. He he
hangs with UH, with Orbon and he's he's also tight
with the the the Indian government who has been meddling
in Canada. And he's also the puppeteer behind are our

(17:21):
Trump light here, Pierre poly Eva. So just just a nasty,
nasty man trying to spread his influence. Still adding the
Canadian angles here to this whole, this whole Trump thing.
Trump UH has well, he's a couple of times he's done,
but apparently on this Joe Rogan podcast, he talked about

(17:44):
the issue the water issues in California and the drought
issues and the issues of fresh water in the States,
and his solution seems to be Canada has lots of
fresh water. We can get that, We can get that
Canadian water.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
How does he think that's gonna work.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
I don't know. I guess we just routed down there
or something. But he uh, yeah, he's he's brought that up.
So that should be concerning to you.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Uh, to us, extalination is cheaper than that.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Maybe, I don't know. He's he's throwing a lot of
garbage at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Sure, he's even saying things he doesn't actually intend to
do or believe it, et cetera. And you know, throwing
it up against the wall, especially in a little like
if you look in enclaves, like Swing state enclaves.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
Oh yeah, he'll throw yes, very he gets specific there
with just random, random.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Garbage, random lies.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Yeah, we can talk. Well, we'll come back and talk
a little bit more about the impending doom or the
impending uh whatever happens is gonna be it's gonna be crazy.
So the impending craziness is what we'll call it, because
we don't know what's gonna happen. We'll talk about that
in a secon Yes, we are live Saturday morning. Can

(19:04):
you guess that tune? It's a song by The Cramps
A long title is garbage Man. Oh yeah, going to
a new He's a garbage man. Uh, speaking of garbage
men and amazing radio segues. Uh, wasn't it funny this

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week that Joe Biden, not no one would accuse of
being the greatest orator right, kind of was a little
kind of slipped up, was a little careless with his words,
and uh, was accused of calling the whole right wing.

(19:45):
Uh basically garbage.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah that's what he said, but it's but it was
sort of like you know what he meant. Perhaps, Yeah,
but whatever.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
The case is, that guy blown up. Is like on
the front page of all the newspapers.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Were all the crap that they there, They and their
people are willing to say.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Well, that's the thing, that's the grand hypocrisy. That's the
one like, the one thing, the one little thing of Biden.
He's not even running yet. There's countless, countless examples of
Trump calling uh all kinds of people.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Cheney you talking about putting her in front of a
firing squad.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Well yeah that was this week and uh yeah that was.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah. But garbage is setting them off. They got him
a garbage truck. With the Trump logo on it. Yeah,
he got and reached the handle. Yeah, short, he struggled
to get up to grab the handle. Maybe he needs
glasses and doesn't have them. I don't know. I thought
he was reaching and just couldn't. He misjudged the depth there.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
I feel like some people have pointed out, some some
more more medically expert people than I have, that he
looks to be displaying some signs of potential stroke, like
he's dragging his right leg when.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
He walks in.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
So, whatever the case is, his mind is turning to
mush and and.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
He's he's you know, those medical records have never come out.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
No, and it's it's gotten like, yeah, he's just he
They call it the weave jokingly, but he really is
just a like a rambling old man. Uhte rambling, hateful, racist,
xenophobic old man. Uh And Yeah, it's funny because you
and I believe in the last couple of weeks we

(21:30):
had touched upon, uh Tony Hinchcliff and the Kill Tony podcast.
I can't remember what we were talking about, but uh yeah,
it was sort of I was kind of surprised to
see see him there, but I guess not like I

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got the sense, like watching when he would do that
stuff that that you know he he would he like
he had a lot of right he would had Jordan
Peterson on his little comedy show and some of these
right wing figures. He's he's like a yeah, and he's
an act. He's an acolyte of Joe Rogan. So I
kind of I kind of, you know, knew he was
in with those guys, but I didn't know he was

(22:11):
into the sense that he would he liked that he
would actually perform for a fascist rally, like like that
he would put himself out there.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, when I saw him, I mean, he looks like
the school bully in every eighties movie.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
I'm sorry. I think he also has a secret that
that you know, he's some kind of secret that he's
he's maybe angry about.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
But uh, he's had an angry secret like the bullies
in the movies or just like an actually like you
actually believe this.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
No, I think he's got a I think he's he's
got a I think he's he's got some kind of
repression going on there, not that it has anything to
do with his his hatefulness, but I I think like
the The funniest thing that could happen is is that
his is so called comedics speech. I've seen him do.

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I've seen him do actual like funny, funny comedy. But
but this was just kind of throwing hate out there
in a way that wasn't really funny at all.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Apparently he ran that set at the in the city
at the stand, which yeah, the well known you know,
the right wingers are holding it down at the stand. Yeah,
and it didn't work there either.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
No, but he's still then that.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
He still did it now Rogan even it has been like,
well I said, maybe he shouldn't do you know, Okay,
like he ran that step by Rogan, I guess so.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
But I think it's kind of hilarious that it may
influence the election.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Oh, if Tony Hitchcliff loses the election for Trump, that is.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
The funniest thing he will have ever done. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Oh and it's yeah, I mean there's a poetic quality
to it as well.

Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, I think it's he's funny.

Speaker 3 (23:58):
That guy is you know what he is, he's he's
he's perfect at a roast. Yeah, and he has made
me laugh in those contexts, you know, But it's just
uh and what are you gonna do. Yeah, he's a
political rally. Brother, it's not a roast. Yeah yeah, let
me roast races. Let me roast the races. But he

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wasn't roasting the madness he was.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
He was like.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Essentially the idea of punching down.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
He was.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
That was his whole thing.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
And that's that's that's what they do. They think they're
trying to rehabilitate the reputation of punching down. Yeah. I
suppose like punching down for them got a bad rap
and they need to bring it back.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah. Oh yeah. And then he dug he dug his
feet in and it didn't go well for me either.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Do you know. It's just one of those things he's
he every time he hits the news cycle, it's for
the same thing. Yeah, every time Tony Hinchcliff raises his
figure above.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
Like you know, oh yeah, there was the whole scene.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
It's like for some racist stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
That was that.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Yeah, the whole Asian thing that I went down as well.
Uh did you see this? A huge endorsement came out
for Trump in the last day or two the Uh
it was like a long video I did. I didn't
really watch the whole thing. I got the gist of it,
but uh, Jake Paul came out and sput put his

(25:26):
support behind Donald Trump. You don't have jing. No, that's
there's those two dumb dumbs wrestler, two really really dumb
guys that are YouTube famous. One of them is well,
one of them is gonna box Mike Tyson. He's decided
he's a box.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
That's why. That's yes, Okay, I'm familiar with him.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
They're like the they're really really like like.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Is it an mma personality? Is that he?

Speaker 5 (25:50):
No, they were like famous for doing just dumb YouTube
stuff like like they really they really are like the
like probably in the top ten percentile of dumb people
in America.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Like there's a lot of you're keeping tabs on the
dumb people.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Yeah, you gotta there anyway, they're super dumb. Those guys, Uh.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
So different philosophy than I have. I didn't think you
had to, but maybe I was wrong.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Well, because the dumb dumbs have been empowered.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
It's true.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
It used to be you you could ignore them, but
now like they're they're.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
The the the Internet gave everybody their niche and now
you know, it's all getting social media.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
It's like the like.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know you have, I was living a lot.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
YouTube has spawned a lot of these these dumb.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Dumbs, and so their their comic out there that I've
seen on a on a reel or something has a
joke about the marketplace of ideas and how it's essentially
failed to to to provide good ideas.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
This is true, This is true. Uh so anything? Who
else has come out to endorse Trump, Jake Paul, Hercules,
Scott bo Uh.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yes, wasn't he credibly charged with harassment?

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Oh I'm sure yeah, Like that's sort of their game, right,
same thing with this Jake Paul, He's been accused of
a lot of uh sexual misconduct.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I mean, when I start taking my political notes from
Scott Bayo, you know, quota fork in me.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
Now, I was gonna talk about this because a lot
of a lot of people on the right use the
term fascism like like yeah, they they remember when there
was they were Antifa, which which is really it's not
a group with more an idea at short for against fascism,

(27:50):
which is which Why would you villainize like that? So
you're pro fascism if you're against Antifa, you're pro fascism.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Well, any kind of organized left response is got to
be uh, you know, turned into hysteria.

Speaker 5 (28:07):
But their media so but then these right wing people
throw around the word fascism, like, oh, Kamala Harris is
a fascist, Joe Biden is a fascist. Here in Canada,
a lot of people are like, oh, the fascist government
of of of Trudel.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
This is actually a phenomenon that's noted inside of fascism
called fascist inversion, which is what they do. They cultivate
a an unreality and it's so you know, I heard
a type of Newt Gingrich talk recently. He's doing everything
he's accusing of the law.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
Absolutely, yeah, he's a he's a gross person.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
But I mean it's just like but that's it's all.
There's a lot of projection out there on the right,
and you know, they lack candor, and candor is necessary
in a democracy, and they don't have it, and they
refuse to do it because I mean, ultimately, the Republican parties,
you know, true constituency is mega corporations and billionaires, and
so they can't be honest about what they want to do.

(29:07):
They are trapped in a cultural politics. Yeah, they have
to be very successful for them. They have to.

Speaker 5 (29:12):
Convince people to vote against their best interests, and the
best way to do that is to create like an
invisible enemy. So here we'll go through let's go through this,
I mean kind of tied into what's happening in the States.
These are the characteristics of fascism.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Number one, parto echo is this the umberto echo list.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
This is a more modern one from a university going
based on that. So Number one powerful, often exclusionary, populist
nationalism centered on a cult of a redemptive, infallible leader
who never admits mistakes.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Right, who could that be?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yes, Donald tru narcissism written large.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, which is no secret that Donald Trump will never
admit that he's made any kind of mistakes. Yes, political
power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and
promoting lies, which we've seen that from the right wing
disinformation and Putin's given a little boost to that as well,

(30:15):
because he already is running a fascist government, he'd like
to spread it out. Sure, fixation with perceived national decline,
humiliation or victimhood.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
And so it's not just a fixation, but I mean,
like the fact that there has been a dramatic movement.
I mean, I think the Federal Reserve's own study was
that if the economic arrangements of the nineteen seventies continued
until now, there arguably the rich have stolen or appropriated

(30:48):
forty seven trillion dollars in the middle class.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Well, fixation with perceived national decline. We see that here
in Canada with like, oh Canada's broken. Canada's the same
thing as states see.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
The thing is they tap into an actual suffering or
decline that's perceived, and then they expand on that crime
is the worst it's ever been. No, it's gone doings
the worst it's ever been. You know, they just have
to have that litany of negativity.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Essentially white replacement theory used to show that democratic ideals
of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives
or institutions that are racially, racially, ethnically, or religious, religiously harmonious,
so uh, you will not replace that whole thing. And

(31:38):
that's sort of a major tenet of the right wing
in the US is that, oh, they're trying to replace
us with foreigners, the evil foreigners, and then you have
the whole like deis all of a sudden there like
a huge issue and a huge problem. Sure, and immigrant obviously,
immigration is the big one they're pushing. Ah, disdain for

(31:59):
human rights heights while seeking purity and cleansing for those
they define as part of the nation. Uh yeah, human right,
that's a that's a real border order thing. H Identification Now,
this one we've seen a lot this week. Identification of
enemies slash scapegoats as a unifying cause in prison and
or murder opposition and minority group leaders. It hasn't happened

(32:22):
here yet. It's happened in Russia. Putin is notorious for
having his enemies fall out of windows, and Trump's threatening
that to happen.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Here here, huh here here in the States.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, well guys, I we're we're we're going to suffer here.
We're kind of attached to you, guys, so I uh
uh okay. Number seven, supremacy of the military and embrace
of paramility. Paramilitism in an uneasy but effective collaboration with
traditional elites, fascist arm people and justified and glorify violence

(33:01):
as redemptive.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Now that feels and.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
The and the and the unfortunate part is, you know,
we still have human psychology that this is all effective.
You know. I mean even before you know, you read
about like what the conditions before World War One, there
were people that were just so like they wanted that.
And there's people who are just like, you know, caught
up in this notion that you know, violence is going

(33:24):
to be cathartic for them. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
What it feels like if if the election goes the
way of of Kamala Harris, it feels like there's they're
trying to amp up a lot of these these these
nutballs and.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
They're already talking about that. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:44):
I feel like obviously I'm very very kind of pessimistic,
but if I was an optimistic person, there seemed to
be a lot of signs pointing towards uh, Kamala Kamala Harris,
Kamala Harris victory. I know, yeah there are, but I
don't want to get to too things. But you know,
no matter what happens, Trump is going to claim victory.

(34:04):
And my hope is that there's a bit of overwhelming
support where it's not like that not like really that close,
because the closer it is, the more likely uh, they
are to try and try and manipulate things. And be
able to get it up to the higher.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Point you really would hope for, uh, like you know,
a popular vote, landslide and electoral college, you know, sound
victory number eight.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
On the characteristics of fascism, rampant sexism, which we've seen
that on the right, like well women, women should vote
like their men.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Oh yeah, there's a have you seen the commercial that's like, yeah, yeah,
what happens in the voting booth stays in the voting.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I think Julia Robbers is the voice on that.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (34:51):
And then the right I'm mad about that. It's like,
well there you think there are women character predictable, but
then you have those right wing guys. We are like,
well when he shouldn't even be allowed to vote, like,
you know, make America greater?

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Rush coming out here, back out, there's a little more.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
There's Harran caught here. Call my nerves. I thought I
should do like a rush Limbaugh. Maybe he's he's had
a he's had a reconciliations, like you know what folk
show was wrong? You shot what's happening here?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
But I don't. I don't.

Speaker 5 (35:27):
Yeah, you wonder what he would like if he would
be one of the people still like going going that way.
I guess he was.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
He was alive on January sixth, and it was very
complimentary of what was happening there. Okay, so we know
where he would have gone. He did not care about.
Uh he had no principles.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
No, uh yeah, Well he was a hypocrite too. He
was like, he's really really against people who took drugs
and they should be punished the highest academ he's an
oxy addict. And then uh, there were rumors of him
traveling to let's say, places where islands, islands where old

(36:07):
men can have sex with the very young people, young people.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, no I think that happened.

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Yeah, okay, So characteristics of fascism we talked about Number eight,
rampant sexism. Number nine control of mass media and undermining
the truth. Sure, well you're saying that in the States
in a lot of ways, undermining the truth, alternative facts
and here for.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Your projects since we lost the Fairness Doctor in nineteen
eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well here in Canada, control of the mass media, undermining
the truth. That's happening with pretty much our biggest newspaper chain,
post Media. They're spreading a lot of lies.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Number ten Characteristics of fascism, obsession with national security, crime
and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, which we kind of live in a I mean,
the Cold War really set us up for like just
to live in this siege, in this paranoid siege.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Well, you and I talked about the fostering sense of
the nation under attack that the right wingers are claiming that, Oh,
crime is up, crimes happening, people are, people are eating dogs.
There's all crime crime, but asor crime has gone down. Yeah,
since Spiden's taken office.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Crime has also been on a downward trend for like
thirty forty years.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Oh absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I think some people connect it to the idea that
abortion well okay, but there's also the one where there's
not as much lead in the atmosphere that we breathe
because let a gasoline got outlawed, and that that was
actually creating more you know, people who were I guess

(37:58):
emotionally disregulated.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
I'd like to see that. That feels a little bit conspiracy,
but I'd like to look at look and see.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
More, you know, whenever lead gasoline got you know, moved
on out of.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
The Because there's also there's also a school of thought
that when ROVERSUS Way was was enacted, there are a
lot less unwanted children who were you know, born to
people who didn't really want them and have a foster
care right and and potential.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
You know, we're just you know, neglected, neglected.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
People who maybe go on to commit crime because they're
just like, yeah, this one is a big one for
for the US right now. Characteristics of fascism number eleven.
Religion and government are intertwined.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Uh huh. You see that in.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
A lot of areas in the US. The crystal christo
fascism is uh is alive. You see a lot of
these right when we're just saying, oh, we need we
need more church, we need more and more of this.
And the crazy thing is they're supposed to be uh.
Churches and religious institute institutions are taxed, not taxed. But

(39:08):
that's based on the fact that they're they're not you
know that they're not they're not allowed to be political.
But there's tons of churches now like you gotta vote
for Donald Trump. Count Kamala Harris is satan. These people
want to want to tie religion into government and it
goes all the way up to like a Supreme Court.

(39:29):
You have like really like Samuel Alito is really really
uh tied in with like it's it's complicated opus dye
and like like we can't get it here. It takes
so long. But essentially, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
You've only got an hour.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
Characteristics of fascism Number twelve. Corporate power is protected and
labor power is suppressed.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I mean by that metric, fascism came a long time ago.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
This is in the Yeah, in the state for sure,
Like corporations. I think a lot of it has to
do with, I'm forgetting the name of the dark money,
the decision by the Supreme Court that allowed corporations to be.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
People citizens You're not, Well, actually the corporations as people
goes back much further, but Citizens United liberated them to
spend in elections.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
Yeah, so corporate power is in dark money.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Well, and you look at at at who's supporting the billionaires.
It's Trump and he also wants his anti union, so
essentially he's more for corporate power anti union, and a
lot of these union workers are people who who might
vote for Trump despite their best interest being represented by

(40:44):
the other side.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Well, and the fact is, you know, the Biden administration
actually has. It's one of the few areas that made
substantial progress.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Yeah. Yeah, characteristics of fascism. Number thirteen disdained for intellectuals
and the arts not aligned with fascist narrative.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Man, it's too bad. Huh. Trying to be a little
intellectual out here not working.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
No, No, you can't, we can't. Smart universities are indoctrinating
people into into Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I just was. I just kept reading all their books,
so I smart, smart people bad.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
They're they're yeah, they're they're they're corrupt. The universities are corrupt,
they're teaching bad things.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
Number fourteen and the characteristics of fascism rampant cronyism and corruption.
Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important
than competence. Sure, well, we saw we certainly saw that
in the last Trump administration. People were not if.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
He gets another one, it will be swift and decisive.

Speaker 5 (41:52):
Oh. Absolutely, Yeah, it's it's essentially he's not hiring the
best people. He's hiring people who are who are will
show fealty to.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Him, and uh, there's not gonna be any more.

Speaker 5 (42:03):
Rex Tillerson's no, there's there are some people who people
felt were guardrails in a sense, but it really was
they were ineffective and.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
They didn't survive. I mean, the the amount of turnover
that administration was shocking.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Well and basically you look at like a lot of
the people have come out now are against Trump and
and the reason they were probably didn't finish their term
with him was because they wouldn't bow to bow to
his his wants and needs and his uh is fascism
Number fifteen. Characteristics of fascism, fraudulent elections and creation of

(42:42):
a one party state. Well, it's funny the right way
it always is crying like election fraud, election fraud. Any
of the cases that seem to have come out in
the news over the last five or ten years of
people trying to vote twice or trying to vote illegally
on purpose are all right wing people like trumpees.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
It does seem that way.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
Yeah, And there's there's been instances of people who have
by accident or by by some sort of misinformation or disinformation,
have voted by accident in the wrong area or something,
and they've been heavily, heavily punished. But the people who
are actually doing it on purpose are usually uh Trumpies.
And finally, characteristics of fascism number sixteen, often seeking to

(43:28):
expand territory through armed conflict. Now we don't see that
so much in the US right now, but yeah, definitely
definitely see it with one of Trump's best buddies putin
trying to trying to annex the Ukraine and beyond. Yeah,
so those so that I think that pretty much covers

(43:50):
it in terms of fascism, and it gives you an
idea of.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Who we only has a one of its. It appears
in different guyses in different it's always specific to the
place and the time.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Yeah, but if you look at that list, there's no
denying that. If you're going to accuse one party of
being of leaning towards fascism, you can't say that about
It's not Biden, it's not the left that those are all.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
It's not the corrupted corporate left.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
No, that's all right, it's very much a right wing thing.
Come back, and uh, I talk about another guy who well,
we'll talk a little bit about Elon Musk, who's who's
representing bad billionaires, and then we'll also talk a little

(44:39):
bit about Mark Cuban who is still does bad things
and it's you know, he's still a billionaire and it's
still but but at least he has a little bit
of common sense. Uh, talk about that.

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Yeah, it could be. It would be the end of
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damn oh, I was gonna say. I don't know if

(45:33):
you saw this news, but apparently there's a whole new
generation of people through TikTok who are discovering Donald Trump's
grabbed them by the grabbed them by the genital's thing.
I guess because when you think about it was way
back in about how how many years ago was that
when that first came out, and there's a lot of

(45:54):
voters who were, you know, not super aware of it.
They weren't really political in their teens and stuff. But
now that's going around like wildfire on TikTok, and some
of these young people are realizing that, oh, okay, he
is a sexual predator. I didn't realize, and we highlighted
he's an adjudicated assaulter so far as I yeah, yeah, well,
and that's just the one that he's been adjudicated. There

(46:16):
was all kinds of claims, like I think at least
thirty thirty plus a woman had come out to accuse
him of sexual assault, and since then many more. And
we played on this show a lawsuit that kind of
went away, but essentially a thirteen year old girl who
was raped by Trump at Epstein's house in New York.
And more information seems to be trickling out about Trump's

(46:40):
Epstein affiliation as the days go on.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
There's that reporter who's got one hundred hours of Wolff interviews.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
I don't know why it took it till like five
days before.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
The auction for that to come out, but.

Speaker 5 (46:52):
Trump very much a sexual predator, an incredibly accused rapist
of children. Yeah, people will still vote for him, guys.
You know, come on, you know she's a lady and
she's you.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Know, you know, talk radio spent a generation and plus
actually a little more than that telling them how bad
Democrats were, yeah, and whatnot. So anything that is that
has to be bad.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
But we could also, I suppose at some point we
could also talk about the characteristics of people being in
a cult, and part of that is believing that the
leader can do no wrong, and you know, everyone's to
get the leader. I heard Mark Cuban talking about the
start of inflation. I thought this was kind of interesting.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I also saw that, Yeah, I have.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
The audio of it, so I'll let you take a
little listen to Mark Cuban explaining why he thinks the
inflation went up.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
You have to look at the root of inflation. I'll
tell you exactly when the very first kernel of inflation
was set, and that was in April of twenty twenty.
At the early days of the pandemic, the gas prices
were a dollar eighty seven. The oil companies went to
Donald Trump and say, we are getting crushed with gas
prices at a dollar eighty seven. Please go to Saudi

(48:11):
Arabia and your friend MBS. Please go to Russia and
your friend Vladimir Putin and asked them to reduce production.
So he had a choice to make. Does he help
his oil company Cronies or does he help keep gas
prices low. You already know what he did. He went
to his oil He went to support his oil company Cronies,
went to MBS and Putin and said please reduce production.

(48:34):
That was the day inflation started. And you can track
minute by minute, hour by hour, month by month, year
by year, quarter by quarter that as long as that
agreement was in place, up until twenty twenty two, gas
prices kept on going up. The minute that agreement came
out and production change, gas price has started going down,
and you saw inflation go down. So you can take

(48:56):
all you want and blame it on the Biden administration,
but it started with Donald Try.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
There you go. That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
And you know, there's also the small matter of the
price of moving a container across the ocean went from
two thousand dollars to twelve thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Yeah, there's that, And then also there's the profiteering by
by corporations taking advantage to.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
The fact that this raised prices.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, you look at the grocery prices compared to the
rate of inflation going up here in Canada. We have
one guy who owns law blaws and stuff, this Gale
and Weston, one of the wealthiest guys in Canada and
notorious for cashing in on on people the grocery. This
is a couple of years back, but Grocery Change here

(49:43):
had to pay out because they were they were charged
with fixing bread prices in Canada. But people often look
at his grocery stores and compare the price surges to
the rate of inflation, and it's basically greed is what
they've they've termed it.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
So yeah, it's a big problem.

Speaker 5 (50:05):
Yeah, and we didn't have you know, I haven't had
time to talk about this, but Elon Musk is uh.
He obviously he's voting for Trump, I think part of
it now And there's a lot of people I think
who are supporting Trump because it seems to be their only,
their only recourse for potentially avoiding prison time. Uh And
and he I think falls into that category in a

(50:28):
lot of ways. And it was shown it was it
was obviously a lot of people before and it's it's
come out in the open now that he he actually
was an illegal immigrant, as was Trump's wife, yet he's
one of the loudest people speaking out against against foreigners
and immigration and yeah, just a just a really really

(50:53):
evil guy. It's essentially if you if you want to
like create a lab villain, like the richest guy in
the world is the most racist, despicable guy in the world.
It's kind of almost is like you you would write
this in a in a work of fiction, but it's
actually the real world. It's scary, brutal.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I have no I have no commentary on that. What
can I do?

Speaker 5 (51:15):
No, there's nothing you can do, and you're not on Twitter.
So I go on Twitter and it's I don't it's
because it's still like I can still find new stuff,
and I I find a lot of like anti anti
like mouscue and stuff on there. But if you go
into the replies now, the way he's set up the algorithm,
it's basically like the first Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I think if the Washington Post had to break down it,
you know, Twitter's just a right wing echo chamber now.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Oh yeah, yeah. If you go in the replies, it's
all like dumb dumbs with blue check marks agreeing with
with like or like if someone says something that makes sense,
like actual logical, factual stuff. Then the these blue checks
come out of the woodwork and start posting, posting negatives,
and a lot of them I have been shown to
be not real people, but but bought farms in Russia

(52:04):
and China trying to gin up right wing enthusiasm. It's
h yeah, it's crazy times. We're living in uh and
we're a few days away from finding out what happens next.
I really like, if I really really hope it's a
landslide for Kamala Harris, only so that it dissuades a

(52:28):
lot of these lawsuits and these these people. Because if
it's close, you saw what happened way back with Bush.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Gore, turmoil is what it will be.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
The Supreme Court with bush Gore way back then kind
of tilted, put their hand on the scale for the
right winger. And I get the sense that this is
what we've seen from this Supreme Court so far. If
it's close and stuff gets kicked up to them, they
will side with fascism. So it's scary times we're in
And I guess when we talk next week, we'll we'll

(52:58):
we'll know what's happening, and we'll I'm sure we'll be
in chaos no matter what happens. Maybe we'll know well yeah,
we well well know sort of what's happening, and they'll
be chaos, that's for sure. But okay, anyway, we'll we'll
talk about that chaos when we get to it next week.
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