November 25, 2024 • 58 mins
Kira breaks down a particularly cope-y article from Dr. Russell Moore of Christianity Today. “How to Get Through the Next Four Years” is a riveting journey through the forest of coping, past the pond of liberal tears, all the while skirting the cliffsides of victimhood. Dr. Moore has some words for the Christians who rejected Momala and, in turn, the Christian influencer class.
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Today's episode is going to be about this article I
read by doctor Russell Moore. He's the editor in chief
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Christians who is very big in the evangelical community but
eventually began to peel off because I think a lot
of this sexual revolution stuff has been peeling off a
lot of so called Christians from the church that sort
of pulled him leftward, and he's been and Trump broke them,
so he's been drifting leftward ever since. Christianity Today is
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less of a Christian magazine and more of a liberal
advocacy magazine. And Russell Moore's been had some especially cruel
I think for someone who used to be so respected
in our community and talking about Christians, it has had
some very cruel things to say about Christians who support
Donald Trump. And he wrote an article and it's full
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what the left of it is experiencing right now. So
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let's see, I want to get going on doctor Russell Moore.
He wrote the article I want to talk about today.
We are experiencing a lot of cope from the left
right now, and understandably and a lot of stuff is
going on here, and this is why I think it's
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It's going to take a while for me to process
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Come to some types of conclusion because it's just been
so I hope you'll stay with me, but it's just
been absolutely fascinating to watch the post wartem on the
left after this. And one thing I've noticed is they
still don't get it now. That doesn't mean they won't
get it ever, but they don't get it right now.
But I think they're still in the the latter half
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of the denial phase, and so there's still moving through
the motions here. Part of the problem, a large part
of this problem here, and I think this is something
we're going to be talking about and I hear people
talking about now, which is great. The problem here is
the media. You're if you're a listener to the show,
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that's no surprise to you. I've talked about ad nausea
on this show. You can find multiple episodes where we
have focused on the bias of the media and how
do you find good information. So the informed just listen
to yourself. Listener knows about this problem with the media.
But you know, we're looking at Joe Scarborough and Mika
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Brazinski going to mar A Lago to meet with Trump
after spending the last ten years just trashing him, saying
horrible things, just days ago, saying he was the second
coming of Hitler.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
We're seeing these.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Talking heads on the left who have literally said, well,
I'm not even paraphrasing, they've literally said Trump wants to
be a dictator. This will be the last re election
we have if you elect this man. They scared the
American people to death about this man. Most Americans, as
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it turns out, just did not believe them and chose
President Trump. But the ones who did believe them are
now left holding the bag of fear and anxiety and insecurity,
and the media classes going on living their lives. Joe
and Mika were at mar Lavo. They're going back to
their penthouse in New York City. They're gonna be fine.
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You know, all of those Jensaki and Joy Read and
all those late the view, they might be mad and
they might feel very passionately inside that Donald Trump is dangerous,
but They're not packing up and leaving America. They're not
gathering their family and gathering all of their most precious
items and finding a place to be safe.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They're not smuggling their.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Family across the border out of the United States. None
of that is happening. But that is what they told
their listeners and audience was going to have to happen
if Trump won. So you're going to see, and I
think we're already seeing it. You're going to see people
start to look around and go, wait a minute. These
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people said that were that this would be the last election,
that we're in danger, and now President Biden is inviting
Donald Trump into the White House for a traditional sit
down and shaking hands with him and smiling.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You guys said, this is Hitler. Why would you welcome
Hitler to the White House?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Why aren't you mounting an armed resistance right now? Why
aren't you arresting him right now? There's a lot of
people that are going to be looking around over the
course of the next weeks, months, and even years, if
they haven't started already, and they're gonna go this wasn't
what I was promised.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
This wasn't what I was told.
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I told you the story about my daughter coming in
and seeing Jadie Vance at the one debate me she
only watched for a couple of minutes, and then me
asking her, well, what'd you think is she said, well,
he didn't seem as weird as he sounds online. And
that was the experience a lot of people had because
this is really the first election cycle where the mainstreamer,
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excuse me, the legacy meeting media did not control the
entire information cycle, and in twenty twenty they did, to
the point where they had government agents inside of Twitter
and Facebook. They're still at Facebook, by the way, government
agents inside acting as censorship agents, squashing the stories. The
hunter Biden's story now legend.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
We wed they had all of these avenues of information
dissemination locked down, and they didn't have it this year,
and you saw what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You saw what happened when the legacy media does not
control the flow of information. And now they're all like,
we're leaving, We're going over the blue sky, blue sky.
I didn't go back. They've had a huge surge. A
lot of those celebrities are over there. They got big followings.
But guess what, they'll be back because Celebrities aren't celebrities
because they're activists. Celebrities are celebrities because they're attention whores.
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And they've now had their attention base right by going
over More so, as we've so proven Twitter really is
the public square and does really represent most of America.
So Blue Skys got their niche followers over there, but
it's not going to give them that same kind of
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dopamine hit. Even to be hated is a type of
attention for them, so they'll be back.
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But the cope is really truly.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Incredible, and as we move forward, we're going to talk about,
of course, the role the legacy.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Media has played.
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We're going to talk about how we you guys, you
and I on this side of the fence, how we
should navigate going forward, because this is not the same
as twenty sixteen or twenty twenty. We're now looking on
a decade of really hard feelings and one pandemic that
created some very cruel people, people that we called our
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neighbors and family, and created some really cruel people who
visited some very terrible consequences with glee on their own neighbors.
And so now that quote we've won, we're gonna have
to think about how we look at those people and
how we interact. And I think there's gonna be plenty
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of time to check our own hearts, and so I
want to talk about that as we move forward. But
this Russell Moore article was interesting to me and I
wanted to break this down for you all today. So
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at real Cara Davis. If you don't know who Russell
Moore is. He's the editor in chief of Christianity Today.
He is a huge presence in the evangelical world.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Used to be very conservative.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Christianity Today was one of the most successful Christian publications
out there, and he Trump broke him and he's been
drifting leftward ever since, including on some of this sexual
identity stuff. And he has been railing against Trump supporters
for years, supporters in his own church, supporters in.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The Christian Church.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And he has been very cruel, very very cruel and
condescending about Christians who vote for Trump. And he was
very he was one of those evangelicals for Harris people
and he was very adamant about he was very sure
that God was not going to visit Trump upon America
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and that and that this would not happen, and he
was very sure that Kamala Harris was going to win
this election because quote, this is his words. Character matters.
I could go and this isn't a Russell Moore podcast, Okay,
so I can go into all kinds of issues with
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Russell Moore's theology and how you can support a woman
who believes an abortion up till you know the.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Moment of birth.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But all of your headline rage fueled, headline fueled rage
thoughts about Trump, you can't get past that. We need
to have a conversation too, about why you're voting what
you're voting for, right, Because I've definitely evolved on this
topic over the years as I've aged. I think that's
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probably natural. I think I'm probably just on the natural
trajectory of this. But where I am now is, Yeah,
character matters, but it's very naive to think that. I mean,
if you're going to sit and hold your vote and
wait for that perfect godly politician to become the president
of the United States, I think you.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Have to rethink.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Are, what the purpose of voting is and what it means,
and what we're meant to accomplished with our votes. We're
going to talk more about that, but let's talk about
doctor Russell Moore. We've got our intro here a matter
of fact, before I even get going, since we're this far,
and let's just take a quick break, and when we
come back, I'm going to read this article from doctor
Russell Moore. I've already set him up for you. If
you don't know who he is, just all right, don't
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All Right, we're back and I am reading from a
doctor Russell Moore's article from Christianity Today, Doctor Russellmore, the
editor in chief Christianity to Day, is published on November thirteen,
twenty twenty four. The title is already perfect. This is
what made me stop on it. How to get through
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the next four years? All Right, as I'm reading this,
I want you to keep in mind that this is
written by a pastor. Okay, this is written by a pastor,
a man who's chosen vocation ostensibly is to guide believers
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and non believers to Christ.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's the valle he's taken. That's the job he's taken on.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And here he is, after an election, trying to figure
out how to get through the next four years because
a person he didn't like won the election. This is
a man of God. You served the creator of the
most powerful entity in the universe, in all of eternity,
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and you're wondering how you're going to get through the
next four years.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
He had to write article about it. Well, here we go.
Someone walked up. This is Russell.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Someone walked up to me in an airport last week
and said, so, what do you think about the election?
I was in a less than ideal mood at the
moment for reasons that had nothing to do with the election.
But I stopped myself from saying sarcastically, oh, what do
you think I think about the election? The last thing
I wanted to talk about after ten years of talking
about him, was Donald Trump. Now the news cycle will
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be the Donald Trump Show all day, every day for
four more years.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's you, Russell. That's a you problem, not an US problem.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
This is the same thing that the trance activists keep doing.
They keep coming out and they go, I don't know
why you guys are so obsessed about it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Republicans won't stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
We never were talking about it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
We didn't talk about it because it wasn't even on
our radar, because we don't care about this. We didn't
talk about it until you started talking about it NonStop
and then started demanding that drag queens read stories to
kids in libraries.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Then it became a topic. Russell Moore is acting like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Out here in modeling and we're just going out utterering
Donald Trump's name every five seconds, and most of us
are just living our lives. And it's the liberal let
that cannot keep his name out of their mouth. Russell Moore,
he said it here. He's done nothing but talk about
Donald Trump for the last ten years. But he's a
pastor and he really doesn't have to. He really doesn't
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have to talk about Donald Trump for ten years. He
doesn't have to talk about Donald Trump at all ever,
because he serves the King of the universe. There's plenty
of topic there for you if you can't stand to
talk about this politician.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So again, this is already Russell's the victim.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Okay, the NonStop news cycle and drama won't be for
some unforeseen circumstance. It's what the American people voted for.
The theory that people would want to turn the page
on all that offered by Vice President Kamala Harris proved false.
Turns out most people like the drama just fine.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
So here we go. No Russell.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
See I told you, they don't get it. Russell doesn't
get it. No, Russell, the drama was entirely too much.
That was the problem. Y'all were putting drag queens in
the libraries and non binary teachers in the classroom, and
you were dragging people out of restaurants by their hair
for not wearing masks, and chasing down loan single surfers
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in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and arresting them
for being outside during COVID. You filled in skate parks
with sands so the children couldn't go outside and play
during COVID for no other reason than just being vindictive.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's been a NonStop crimes free.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
The border's been wide open, people like le Like and Riley,
our fellow citizens being murdered by illegal aliens streaming across
this border. No, Russell, we voted against the drama. The drama.
You guys were the drama. Queens y'all are making this dramatic.
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It's been dramatic because of you, and we have had
enough of the drama. So guess what. The adults decided
to turn this car right around and head back home.
That's what's happening, Russell. But I told you these people
don't get it, and Russell Moore is no exception. He
goes on, I have very little to say that I
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haven't already said, very little right that I haven't already written.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And there are very few people who think like I do.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But I can't control that, and neither can you. Oh wow, Okay, Well,
that there are very few people who think like I do,
all right, that's really the height of arrogance. And I
would think that that is a real great indication of
where the Russell's Mores of.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
The world stands. Really.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I believe actually that it makes him feel good to
think that most people don't think like him, and he
thinks that makes him special.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
He isn't there think perhaps he might be wrong, or that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Lots of people think like each other and also have
differing opinions at the same time. For him, you know,
it's like, guess I'm I guess I just I'm not
like everybody else. It's like, you know what it is.
It's like, it's like that girl who says you're that
one girl. Everybody's got the one girl friend and neighbor,
and she says, I don't have any girlfriends. I'm like
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a guys girl. I don't like girls. They're like so drama.
I don't hang out with girls. I get along much
better with guys. He's like that, all right. But Russell's
a victim here. He set himself up from the start.
He's the victim, and he is. He doesn't want to
talk about Trump, even though he's been talking about it
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for ten years.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And also he.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You know, he doesn't a lot of people don't think
like him, and what can you do about it? He
goes on, Just like during the last near decade, those
who support Trump and those who oppose them will continue
to look at one another the way Adams and Jefferson
did over the French Revolution. How could you support or
not support that? You can control very little of that either.
All right, fair enough, Russell, and that surprisingly good news.
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The passivity of Americans in their own civic order is
always a problem. The word woke, before it became associated
with identity politics, spoke to the sense of waking people
from their slumber about injustice. The opposite of passivity, though,
is often not responsibility or engagement. Sometimes it's a kind
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of passivity that feels like, quote, doing something wherever someone
fails on falls excuse me. On the political spectrum, that's
where doom scrolling comes into play. We feel we are
informed by having a steady stream of drama in front
of us, our emotions driven up or down by the
news cycle. We've seen the end results of that constant
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flow of real and fake information. Spikes are adrenaline. Active
is activating our lizard brains. We throw our limbic systems
into this sense of having to support or to oppose
something when much of the time there's actually nothing we
can do about it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And this works because many people like it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, uh, this is how I know that Russell is lost.
I mind TikTok for a lot of information about what
people are thinking and feeling. The last three paragraphs I've
just read are TikTok paragraphs if I ever read them.
All of this throwing your limbic system, your doom scrolling,
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You've got your limbic system, your adrenaline hits. All of
that stuff is discussed on TikTok's in the little fake
therapy fits that Americans have become addicted to.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He thinks he knows something here.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh, all of this arguing stuff, it's really not material.
It doesn't really matter. It's not that we really care
about things. It's just that our adrenaline, our limbic systems
are addicted to the spike. We're not really thinking about
ideas or arguing about ideas. We're just addicted to this
kind of of scrolling. And so the angry messages get
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us the most. But Russell, you're talking to yourself again.
This is what happened to them, This is what we
were trying to warn Russell about. You're the doom scroller guy.
You're the guy getting aroused by rage fueled headlines.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You're the one falling for right, You're the one getting
those dopamine hit I knew Trump with who I knew
he was evil. Look at this, he said, he wants
to be a dictator.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He compared, he.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Said Hitler's generals. He's envious of Hitler's generals. All of
that is for the Russell Warres, right, that's him.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I said it the last episode. I will say it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm probably gonna be saying this a lot for the
next four years. And I'm sorry if it becomes cliche,
but it's true. This is all projection, It really truly is.
And when you look at it through the lens of projection,
these people are just describing themselves. He's the one who
gets the hits, the adrenaline bumps. He's the one who
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became addicted to the angry news cycle.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And he's the one. Frankly, doctor Moore.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You've become addicted to the attention that the outrage gets you. That,
I believe for sure, and you need to.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Repent of that. All right, here we go, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
What we call politics these days offers people a sense
of meaning and purpose, an interruption to the dead everydatus
of life. A jolt of adrenaline can feel almost like
life for a little while. He has a good point. Again,
I just think he has the wrong POV. Good point though, absolutely,
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that the politics has become religion. If you're if you
are a minister, you're a pastor, you're a religious leader,
doctor Born, then you should know that this is a
perversion of our search for purpose and you should be
offering Christ as that solution, not politics, not lecturing people
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about their political affiliations as proof of their salvation. You
are tasked with leading people to salvation, helping people to
replace politics as their God, as their religion, with actual
God himself. But you, doctor marrev, let politics become your religion,
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he says. The kind of political drama is This kind
of political drama is related to actual political life the
way that pornography is to intimacy. Porn gives the same
physical sensation as sexual union. The nervous system responds the
way it is meant to respond in the union of
a husband and wife, just does so by getting rid
of the love the connection the other person. In other words,
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it gives a physical sense without what actually brings about
the joy. Someone might think that porn use will kickstart
their flagging passion, that it's a temporary step towards intimacy.
That person is left though, feeling deader and lonelier than before.
A news cycle can be like that too, ultimately leaving
people not more informed and thoughtful, but worn what with
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worn out attention spans and burnt out expectations, Doctor Moore,
you nailed it.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And that's exactly what went down on election night.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I've watched now nearly every major legacy media broadcast from
election night, and they all had to make the same
mia culpas, which is, perhaps we let our biases run
away with us when it came to the data here, right,
you had plenty of data that showed Trump far ahead
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and winning. You have plenty of it. They clung to
things like some random little poll in Iowa that had
Kamla Harris up by three points for some strange reason,
and they ship that out to the rest of liberal
America and then everyone's going, oh, it's a shoe win.
Camel's gonna win. She's gonna run away with this, so
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it's going to be a historical win and there and
then when it doesn't happen, they're burnt out. Their expectations
get burned out. And that's what happened on election night.
A lot of liberal voters and commentators had their expectations
burned out because they did not have the right information.
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And doctor Moore thinks that it's the Donald Trump's of
the world who are spreading miss information, and it's his
own side of the political fence that are the brokers
of misinformation, which is why we don't want you guys
to be arbiters of facts and fact checking. And what
is misinformation and disinformation? You guys told us CaMLA was
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gonna win. That sounds like misinformation. So that again, that's
a problem of your own side, doctor Moore. But in
theory he is right here. All right, let's carry on. Actually,
you know what, let me just go to quick break
right here and then I'll get.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Back to this fire.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Back all right here, we're here, we are, okay, we're back.
Reading from doctor Russell Moore from Christianity Today, his article.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
How to get through the next four years.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm really sad coming from a member of the clergy,
really said, but all right, all right, going on. One
of the things you owe your country is your attention.
By that I do not mean your constant focus. I mean,
quite literally, your attention, your ability to think and reflect
apart from the roar of the mob, would that some
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of you took your own advice, Doctor Moore. During the
tumult of the nineteen sixties War, civil unrest assassinations, Thomas
Merton argued that his ability to speak to all of
those things was not in spite of, but because of
his vocation as a Trappist monk devoted to silence and solitude.
Someone has to try to keep sorry about that dog
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in the background, just to ignore her. Someone and she's
a small dog too. She sounds vicious. She's actually a
very medium sized dog. Her berks does not matter your bite.
Someone has to try to keep this head clear of
static and preserve the interior solitude and silence that are
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essential for independent thought. Merton wrote, not like that, he
continues a monk loses his reason for existing. If he
simply submits to all the routines that govern the thinking
of everyone else, He loses his reason for existing if
he simply substitutes other routines of his own. He is
obliged by his vocation to have his own mind, if
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not to speak it. He has to be a free man.
Merton concludes by saying, what did the radio say this evening.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I believe in the priesthood of all believers, and in
this way, I suppose in the monkhood of all believers too.
News and information are important in helping a free and
attentive mind discern what's happening and how to make sense
of it. News and information as sources of a sense
of personal drama or belonging, though, will fray your attention,
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scatter your thinking, and affix you to whatever mob it's
easiest to mimic. It's hard to maintain sanity with a
mind like that. It's hard to love your country with
a mind like that, hard to love the Lord, your
God with a mind like that. Right, I agree, I agree,
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I agree. This is why I think this is all projection. Yeah,
because I see guys like doctor Moore saying, yeah, all
of these things will warp your mind. But you know,
you've you've got to be open and free and free
to think, to think freely. Right, you just quoted all
that Thomas Merton section there. You got to be a
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free man, must think freely, and and you you.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Have to be able to I lost my chana thought here.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm sorry, but I'm just reading back trying to catch
my Oh right, you have to be able to think
freely in order to love your God with your whole mind.
And that's what we're saying. You're not thinking freely, doctor Moore.
You've been talking about Donald Trump non stop for the
last ten years. That's not being a free thinker. Not
only that, you're telling people you need to think freely
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in order to love the God, love the Lord your
God completely. But if your free thinking leads you to
support for the office of presidency a man like Donald Trump,
then you cannot and do not love the Lord your God.
That's the problem, doctor Moore. That's the problem. So and
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again he thinks he's talking to you, the Trump voter,
but I think, of course he's talking to himself as usual.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Let's continue.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
He says, the stakes are too high for us to
see our country as a reality television show.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Too late for that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
You can't opt out of the country, but you can't
opt out of the show. In some ways, you get
there by subtraction. Don't rely on social media for your news.
For instance, doctor Moore, brilliant advice. You might want to
go back and listen to one of my episode. So is,
how do I find good information. How do I find
I think it's called how I find reliable information? And
(34:06):
I give your tips on how to find information you
can depend on that isn't biased in the media. And
I won't give any spoilers for that, but I think
doctor Moore, you might like that episode.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You're absolutely right here.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Uh you know, don't be on you don't have to
be on social media, and don't rely on social media
for your news because social media relies on your doom scrolling, right,
that's where the rage baiting comes in. So I know again,
if doctor Moore would take his own advice, he'd be
good to go, because that is a headline reader. Greg
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This stuff by Dr Moore. He's reading headlines. He's not
doing his own research.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He's the doom scroller.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Because if you if you spend more than five minutes
actually watching the folk clips of Donald Trump or reading
the full articles, you would you wouldn't be doctor Russell Moore.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So clearly he's not doing that. Let's keep on.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
But maybe an even more important factor is not subtraction,
but addition. You're meant to have a life of drama
and adventure and excitement. Politics of the left, right or
center can't deliver it. News cycles can't replace it. Again, Great,
he's absolutely right. Politics should not be your replacement for anything,
for purpose, for excitement, for drama, for relationships.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Absolutely not. He's right. Five.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
For those of us who are Christians, we already have it. Okay,
we're finally getting to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
We need know Youngian heroes journey. We are joined to
the life of Jesus of Nazareth. His story is our story.
Our lives are hidden in him Colossians three to three.
We are crucified under Pontius Pilot. We are raised out
of the greed. We are seated at the right hand
of the Father. All of that is true right now
and for those who are joined by the spirit to
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the life of Christ. And we are waiting for a Trump,
not a Trump, to tell us when the action of
our lives will really get interesting in ways we cannot
even imagine yet. Okay, I'm sorry, I'll continue. I'll tell
you what I was tinkling at. Realize that this is
true for you. You don't need to be a part
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of some make believe drama. You don't need to adopt
some politician as a father figure. Or a mother figure.
Russell MAMAA, MAMAA. You have an actual father who's making
plans for you. And when you realize how temporary, how fleeting,
and how pitiful much of what is counted as glory
in this moment is, you can learn to love it
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without without placing on it the burden of making you
happy or driving you crazy. We always come to hate
our idols, whatever they are, because they never give us
what we want. I wonder what this article would have
been if Kamala Harris had won. I wonder what this
would sound. This is nothing but coke. I am one
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hundred percent certain that Russell Moore would have had multiple
columns ready to go about the sinfulness and corrupt nature,
base nature of Trump voters and the Trump coalition and
American evangelicals in general, and how people like him who
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are the rare thinkers because most people don't think like
he is. They've been there to lead us all out.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Of the darkness.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
We've been waiting for guys like him for a time
such as this. I just really believe Russell Moore had
it in his mind that he was going to be
taking some victory lapse, and he doesn't know how to
handle it. And that is the problem with all of
these people, Bill Crystal, Russell Moore, who else has peeled
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off of the intellectuals that have peeled off over the years,
from Trump to range syndrome or otherwise. They're mad that
they're wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Ultimately, we thought we were all on the same page
and that they were one of us and we were
a part of their club.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
But that wasn't true.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
They only liked us when they thought that they were
better than us, when they thought.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
They were the ones leading us intellectually.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
And come to find out that no, actually the Russell
Moore's readers and audiences actually don't look at him as
the smartest guy in the room. He's just an interesting guy.
And that's a tough pill to swallow for a lot
of men in particular, who have built their careers on
being the smartest guy in the room. It's hard for
a lot of them to accept that they just don't
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they got this wrong, and that not only did they
get this wrong, that got you wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
They got you wrong. But he is up.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Slowly, right, of course, we should not be so caught up.
And this is what we've been trying to tell you
for ten years, Russell, you've been losing your damn mine
over Donald Trump. And we've been trying to tell you
you serve the king of universe. So keep this where
it belongs. But we agree on that we serve a
great God, and that is where our hope is. And
these are the affairs of men, and yes they disappoint
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us and excite us, but they should not hold the
power of our.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Personal happiness in our hands. And he's right there. We
agree here.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
He says, this means you're gonna need a Bible the
more and more than just a devotional cherry picking or
doctrinal proof text to which modern American Christianity is accustomed.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
That's a poke at you Trump voters. That's a pook
at you.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
He thinks you proof text because also you levitigants. Levitigants
because Russell Moore has been captured by the sexual identity cult.
And so anyway, all right, you will need to immerse
yourself in this stories there until you gradually start to sense.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
They are your stories.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
You need to plunge into the poems and songs there
until you find that they're telling you the story of
your own life too. You need to spend enough time
with the Jesus found in the pages of scripture that
he starts to surprise you again. I guess it sounds artful, right,
it's flowery. You need to spend time with that Jesus
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and let him surprise you again. What are people surprised
about with Jesus? I think what russ I really believe
that what Russell is referring to here is he surprised
that Jesus didn't take camera. They're surprised that Jesus didn't
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give them their way.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
That this was the Jesus.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
So I'm reading between the lines, obviously, but that's what
I do. You don't have to understand what you're reading
all the time.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Read it anyway. Good advice. Let the word do its work.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Don't immediately google how to understand Psal I'm forty six
excellent advice? Or what does Colossians to mean? Wrestle with it,
be baffled with it. Also, go see your pastor go
to church. That's why you need to be in a
good church. You should have someone you can ask these
questions too, and your church should provide those people if
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you don't have them in your life.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I have my father in law. So I have a question.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I call him, but not all of you, all, not
all of you have a VIC Davis, and I feel
sorry for you. Wrestle with it, be baffled with it. Okay,
we're closing it out, and sooner or later you will
start to hear as though calling to you personally from
those words, who do you say that I am? The
new cycle will be crazy for the next four years.
You don't have to be the end. Okay, Russell, thanks
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for that encouragement. I'm sorry this is happening to you.
The next four years of the news cycle does and
have to be crazy, right. This is the thing that
he's omitting altogether, is that the craziness of the news cycle.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Is a choice. It's a choice.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's a choice by the legacy media to frame things
one way, to make people scared. Like I've said this
over and over, and if I was sitting in front
of doctor More, I would say this to him. I
spend occasionally time watching full days of CNN or MSNBC,
(42:30):
most recently after the election, and I whenever I watch CNN,
I every time I say to myself, yeah, if this
was the only news channel I was watching, or not
just CNN, but MSNBC, whatever your liberal outlet is. If
I was only watching these three outlets only and never
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got my news, or never read an article or did
any kind of independent resourcing outside of these channels, be
scared too. I would be absolutely terrified. The message I'm
hearing from them is armageddon all.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Day, every day.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So that's where you're getting all your information about who
Trump is and who the people who support him are.
And yes, of course you have a skewed and perverted
vision of your fellow Americans, doctor Moore. The news cycle
doesn't have to be crazy, and I would suggest that
if you expand your resource pool, it doesn't. It's not
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as crazy as you think it is. And then the
other thing is is if you keep as you pointed out,
doctor Moore, if you keep your faith life in perspective
and imbalanced, you don't have to worry about.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
The crazy news cycle.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
You don't have to worry about it. It's a non
entity in your life. It's something that's going on around you,
but not inside of you. And I'm afraid that you
have let your hatred for Donald Trump become an identity
and excus everything you write about and say I'm just
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so disappointed in doctor Moore.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I really have been over the years. I really really
have been.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
And I don't think his words come from a place
of wanting to draw people to Jesus. I think his
words come from a place of anger. I'm not saying hatred,
but I think he's angry. I think he's angry that.
I think he's angry that he's not the influencer he
thought he was. He's not the thought leader he thought
he was. There's a lot of pride and ego involved.
(44:38):
And it's not just him. I mean, I've seen it.
I seen it on the conservative side all the time.
I've been doing this job for a long time, and
I see I've seen people I would have thought were
really good, solid hard right conservatives peel off from the
movement when they have felt slighted, or when they have
felt like all their career didn't take the trajectory that
they thought it should, or that they got an election
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result wrong. And really what it was is they didn't
like the diminishing of their influence. It was the influence
that they found attracted always, and when that started to
diminish for whatever reason, their interest in the movement diminished,
and then that turns to resentment. You start to resent
the people who were the ones to bring you your
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success in the first place. And I, again, this is
all just conjecture. I do not know doctor Moore at all.
It's conjecture, so take it with a grain of salt.
But that's how I feel about it. And this is
just crazy amounts of cope. And it makes me feel
sad actually, because underneath all of this article.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's just dripping with resentment. It just really is.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
It's dripping with resentment for this fellow Americans who didn't
see things his way and didn't take his advice. And
there is a type of condescension underneath that worries me
coming from a supposed man of God. It's the type
of condescension that should never come from a man who
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has chosen to.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Make pastoring his career and his vocation.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That's one thing for a podcast host to get on
this podcast and be, you know, a sarcastic empathy and
even I have to make my mea.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Kopas as you guys well known.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Even I feel convicted, but I'm not a pastor, so
I just I think what makes me most sad is
to hear the disdain that he talks about his fellow Americans,
you know with and I again, he's so very online.
He needs to take that social media. But he's so
very online. He's probably looking at a lot of quote
(46:53):
maga bots or zombies out there who are saying terrible
things and mean things. And half of them are bos
half of them are Chinese people from Chinese farms that
are engagement farms that all I mean, they really are.
He is the guy that he's warning us against, the
guy that gets taken in by the bot farms and
all of the rage to click the rage bait.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
That's doctor Moore.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
He's been half the out the rage stuff, the things
that he that feed his victim mentality. I would venture
to guess three quarters of its faith it's coming from
engagement firms in Bosnia and China, and he's reading those
that he's thinking, those are the Americans that he's talking about.
(47:37):
Of course, when I look at comments, cruel comments that
he makes about people like me, I don't think poorly
of there.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
The people I know aren't talking horribly about guys like
doctor Moore.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
We're we're expressing our frustration and our sadness. But we're not,
you know, assuming they're going to be in hell. The
problems coming from his side of the fence. The problem
is with him. If he could take his own advice,
I think he would be a lot better off. And
it makes me sad to think that he looks at
his fellow Americans this way. The people you're blaming for this,
(48:15):
doctor Moore, are most likely bots and engagement farmers. The
people who voted differently from you are normal, regular people
who are intelligent and don't look at you with disdain
and don't think of non Trump voters with you know,
(48:39):
they don't think of them poorly, and they don't say
horrible things about them. Most people don't. I think that
it serves you. It's I call it emotional cutting. Emotional cutting,
you know, cutting is it's a form of self harm
to deal with stress. And I think that this is
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a form of emotional cutting coming from the left right.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
The idea that.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
That, like Russell Moore said, the idea that well, not
a lot of people think like me, And I guess
I have to bear the burden of being you know,
this thought leader, And you know I guess if if
I have to be the one to reach out to
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my neighbors and be the voice of reason in a
time of unreasoned, I guess I'll have to do it
as much as it hurts. It's emotional cutting. He likes
to feel. They like to feel like the victim. That's
why even when they won in twenty twenty, it was
(49:52):
still four years of victimhood. Right, they won everything in
twenty twenty, and it was still four years of Trans
Day of the Ability, trans Week, Awareness, trans Month, Awareness,
LGBDQ Week, LGBTQ Month, the Black lives Matter, whatever non
binary lives matter. It was four years of NonStop like
(50:15):
we have to at every city council meeting.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
We've got to stand up and recognize.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
I also want to pay homage to the Indigenous people
that we stole this lamp from. It's been four years
of non stop victimhood. Even after they won, you're never
gonna be happy. They always they have to be the victims.
They always have to be the victims. I said this
in twenty twenty two. I ran for school board. Y'all
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know I took that loss really, really hard. I would
say I'm only just now in twenty twenty four getting
over it. I took it very personally because I put
everything into it. And when I lost, I went away,
you know, I slunk away. I didn't make a bus,
I didn't scream and yell. I went away to lick
my wounds. And those people still came after me. The
(51:02):
Union still followed me all the way up until this year.
They were following me. They were stalking me, they were
stalking my accounts, they were spreading rumors about me. They
were making life difficult for my child in school. All
of this was still happening. I remember telling my she's
not my friend, but she was my campaign manager. Julie
remember telling her, why.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Are they still coming for me?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
They won, they won, and they still want to be
the victims. Just the other day, that stupid non binary
teacher Flynn or Flint or whatever the hell she renamed
herself too one of she was the one that had
the trans LGBTQ pornographic library in her classroom and Fox
(51:45):
News picked it up. That was my school district, The
one story I didn't send Fox News. They picked it
out on their own. Well, she was so upset and
the students came out to protest me. They came out
to protest me at my campaign events, and it was
a big thing. And she just didn't TikTok the other
day about me, she mentioned me my name, but she
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told the story about how she ended up.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
She ended up getting fired from her school.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
She told the story about how she's transitioning now, so
she loves to show off her chest scars.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
It's really sad. Oh. She the time she had to
go up against this horrible.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Fox News nost and fight the big battye and fight
for the rights of her trans students, and she did
a whole thing on it. She doesn't work at the
school anymore. I lost the school board race. I'm not
on the school board. She won, they won, and they
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are still the victims. So at this point, here's what's
gonna happen with just listening to yourself.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I think you're about.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
To feel a complete tonal shift because I have spent
the last five years of this show working to build
bridges across the aisle how people see things from each
other's perspective. Right, My conservative listeners will know this very
well because I have spent a lot of time admonishing conservatives,
(53:16):
especially during the Black Lives Matter era, to put the
shoe on the other foot, see things from the other
side of the aisle, even if it's not right, even
if they're wrong about how they're expressing it. Now might
be an opportunity to hear things you've never heard before
and respond to that. And guess what, jlty audience stepped
(53:41):
up like I knew they would. And I saw so
many conservatives, so many white conservatives step up over the
last four to five years, and try at least try
to figure out where the other side was coming from
by to be more open minded about some of these
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issues surrounding race and our racial tensions.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I have seen it, DARVYO and I talk about it
all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
We never seen white Americans so open to this conversation.
So I think our people on this side of the
fence did their excuse me, did their due diligence and
stepped up, and the left swatted their hand away and said,
f you, We're done with you.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
We're not going to reach across the aisle. We're just
gonna crush you. So now what.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
I feel, it's different now, I don't I feel that
a lot of those people that I had hoped I
could reach with my earlier.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Discussions of reason.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I feel that those people are simply captured and they
will not hear reason and they cannot be reached. And
I don't know that I'm interested in spending more time
time trying to wrestle them onto the side of reason.
We tried to y'all couldn't pull it together and at
least meet us a little bit of the way. So
(55:12):
here's what's gonna happen now. Now the grown ups are
in charge, and now it's just time for the word no.
So I do know that some people's feelings are hurt.
I do know there are some people who are genuinely
hurt over the selection, and I do feel bad about that.
I think that's that's the legacy media's fault.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
That's not my fault.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
If you would listen to this show, you probably wouldn't
have been so hurt by this result.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
I know people are hurt out there, and they're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Their feelings hurt as we move hopefully through quickly through
this mandate that Trump hassed. The time for worrying about
hurt feelings is over, and I'm just not gonna do
it anymore. So it doesn't matter if your feelings are hurt.
I think the time for sensitivity about those things is over.
It's not going to be pretty, and I'm actually probably
(56:08):
not going to like some of the things I'm about
to see coming out of this administration. I think because
of how aggressive it's all going to need to be
in order to get done. My mother's art, you know,
is probably going to have a few problems. But that's
where we are. And y'all, doctor Moore, and y'all on
the left, you have no one but yourself to blame
for this, because if you had just cooled your heels
(56:30):
and stop being such freaking babies through twenty sixteen, Trump
would be finishing up the last year of his last
term and you'd probably be in a Democrat cycle now.
But you had to push so hard so fast. Americans said, no,
this is too far. It's gone too far. The adults
are in charge. Well, tell me what you have to
(56:51):
think about, doctor Moore and this letter and how the
left is copying. What do you think this letter would
have looked like if Kamala had won. I don't feel
that he would have been opening his arms to you
Trump voters. I don't think so I think he would
have been given you a space for repentance, and if
you wanted to repent, then you can come over, all right,
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we analyze what's going on. I don't think you'll mind,
because these aren't fascinating times, aren't they watching America come
to terms with what happened this past election night has
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been unendingly interesting, and I'm appreciating all of the YouTubers
out there who are putting together superclips of the mainstream media.
It's very helpful. I've been fascinated to watch them break
things down. I've been reading every article, watching every legacy
media show. I just want to know how they're viewing
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these results, and so far, I haven't seen anything that
tells me that they're getting it that I still think
they're in the acceptance phase. So let's just be let's
just offer them a little grace. I want to read.
Today's episode is going to be about this article I
read by doctor Russell Moore. He's the editor in chief
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of Christianity Today, and he is one of those evangelical
Christians who is very big in the evangelical community but
eventually began to peel off because I think a lot
of this sexual revolution stuff has been peeling off a
lot of so called Christians from the church that sort
of pulled him leftward, and he's been and Trump broke them,
so he's been drifting leftward ever since. Christianity Today is
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less of a Christian magazine and more of a liberal
advocacy magazine. And Russell Moore's been had some especially cruel
I think for someone who used to be so respected
in our community and talking about Christians, it has had
some very cruel things to say about Christians who support
Donald Trump. And he wrote an article and it's full
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of cope, and I think it is very indicative of
what the left of it is experiencing right now. So
I want to read that article because I had all
kinds of things to say about it, and then I
was like, you know what, why don't I just talk
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He wrote the article I want to talk about today.
We are experiencing a lot of cope from the left
right now, and understandably and a lot of stuff is
going on here, and this is why I think it's
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so I hope you'll stay with me, but it's just
been absolutely fascinating to watch the post wartem on the
left after this. And one thing I've noticed is they
still don't get it now. That doesn't mean they won't
get it ever, but they don't get it right now.
But I think they're still in the the latter half
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of the denial phase, and so there's still moving through
the motions here. Part of the problem, a large part
of this problem here, and I think this is something
we're going to be talking about and I hear people
talking about now, which is great. The problem here is
the media. You're if you're a listener to the show,
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that's no surprise to you. I've talked about ad nausea
on this show. You can find multiple episodes where we
have focused on the bias of the media and how
do you find good information. So the informed just listen
to yourself. Listener knows about this problem with the media.
But you know, we're looking at Joe Scarborough and Mika
(06:55):
Brazinski going to mar A Lago to meet with Trump
after spending the last ten years just trashing him, saying
horrible things, just days ago, saying he was the second
coming of Hitler.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
We're seeing these.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Talking heads on the left who have literally said, well,
I'm not even paraphrasing, they've literally said Trump wants to
be a dictator. This will be the last re election
we have if you elect this man. They scared the
American people to death about this man. Most Americans, as
(07:32):
it turns out, just did not believe them and chose
President Trump. But the ones who did believe them are
now left holding the bag of fear and anxiety and insecurity,
and the media classes going on living their lives. Joe
and Mika were at mar Lavo. They're going back to
their penthouse in New York City. They're gonna be fine.
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You know, all of those Jensaki and Joy Read and
all those late the view, they might be mad and
they might feel very passionately inside that Donald Trump is dangerous,
but They're not packing up and leaving America. They're not
gathering their family and gathering all of their most precious
items and finding a place to be safe.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
They're not smuggling their.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Family across the border out of the United States. None
of that is happening. But that is what they told
their listeners and audience was going to have to happen
if Trump won. So you're going to see, and I
think we're already seeing it. You're going to see people
start to look around and go, wait a minute. These
(08:40):
people said that were that this would be the last election,
that we're in danger, and now President Biden is inviting
Donald Trump into the White House for a traditional sit
down and shaking hands with him and smiling.
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You guys said, this is Hitler. Why would you welcome
Hitler to the White House?
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Why aren't you mounting an armed resistance right now? Why
aren't you arresting him right now? There's a lot of
people that are going to be looking around over the
course of the next weeks, months, and even years, if
they haven't started already, and they're gonna go this wasn't
what I was promised.
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This wasn't what I was told.
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I told you the story about my daughter coming in
and seeing Jadie Vance at the one debate me she
only watched for a couple of minutes, and then me
asking her, well, what'd you think is she said, well,
he didn't seem as weird as he sounds online. And
that was the experience a lot of people had because
this is really the first election cycle where the mainstreamer,
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excuse me, the legacy meeting media did not control the
entire information cycle, and in twenty twenty they did, to
the point where they had government agents inside of Twitter
and Facebook. They're still at Facebook, by the way, government
agents inside acting as censorship agents, squashing the stories. The
hunter Biden's story now legend.
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We wed they had all of these avenues of information
dissemination locked down, and they didn't have it this year,
and you saw what happened.
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You saw what happened when the legacy media does not
control the flow of information. And now they're all like,
we're leaving, We're going over the blue sky, blue sky.
I didn't go back. They've had a huge surge. A
lot of those celebrities are over there. They got big followings.
But guess what, they'll be back because Celebrities aren't celebrities
because they're activists. Celebrities are celebrities because they're attention whores.
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And they've now had their attention base right by going
over More so, as we've so proven Twitter really is
the public square and does really represent most of America.
So Blue Skys got their niche followers over there, but
it's not going to give them that same kind of
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dopamine hit. Even to be hated is a type of
attention for them, so they'll be back.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
But the cope is really truly.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Incredible, and as we move forward, we're going to talk about,
of course, the role the legacy.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Media has played.
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We're going to talk about how we you guys, you
and I on this side of the fence, how we
should navigate going forward, because this is not the same
as twenty sixteen or twenty twenty. We're now looking on
a decade of really hard feelings and one pandemic that
created some very cruel people, people that we called our
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neighbors and family, and created some really cruel people who
visited some very terrible consequences with glee on their own neighbors.
And so now that quote we've won, we're gonna have
to think about how we look at those people and
how we interact. And I think there's gonna be plenty
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of time to check our own hearts, and so I
want to talk about that as we move forward. But
this Russell Moore article was interesting to me and I
wanted to break this down for you all today. So
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at real Cara Davis. If you don't know who Russell
Moore is. He's the editor in chief of Christianity Today.
He is a huge presence in the evangelical world.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Used to be very conservative.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Christianity Today was one of the most successful Christian publications
out there, and he Trump broke him and he's been
drifting leftward ever since, including on some of this sexual
identity stuff. And he has been railing against Trump supporters
for years, supporters in his own church, supporters in.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The Christian Church.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
And he has been very cruel, very very cruel and
condescending about Christians who vote for Trump. And he was
very he was one of those evangelicals for Harris people
and he was very adamant about he was very sure
that God was not going to visit Trump upon America
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and that and that this would not happen, and he
was very sure that Kamala Harris was going to win
this election because quote, this is his words. Character matters.
I could go and this isn't a Russell Moore podcast, Okay,
so I can go into all kinds of issues with
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Russell Moore's theology and how you can support a woman
who believes an abortion up till you know the.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Moment of birth.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But all of your headline rage fueled, headline fueled rage
thoughts about Trump, you can't get past that. We need
to have a conversation too, about why you're voting what
you're voting for, right, Because I've definitely evolved on this
topic over the years as I've aged. I think that's
(14:14):
probably natural. I think I'm probably just on the natural
trajectory of this. But where I am now is, Yeah,
character matters, but it's very naive to think that. I mean,
if you're going to sit and hold your vote and
wait for that perfect godly politician to become the president
of the United States, I think you.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Have to rethink.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Are, what the purpose of voting is and what it means,
and what we're meant to accomplished with our votes. We're
going to talk more about that, but let's talk about
doctor Russell Moore. We've got our intro here a matter
of fact, before I even get going, since we're this far,
and let's just take a quick break, and when we
come back, I'm going to read this article from doctor
Russell Moore. I've already set him up for you. If
you don't know who he is, just all right, don't
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All Right, we're back and I am reading from a
doctor Russell Moore's article from Christianity Today, Doctor Russellmore, the
editor in chief Christianity to Day, is published on November thirteen,
twenty twenty four. The title is already perfect. This is
what made me stop on it. How to get through
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the next four years? All Right, as I'm reading this,
I want you to keep in mind that this is
written by a pastor. Okay, this is written by a pastor,
a man who's chosen vocation ostensibly is to guide believers
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and non believers to Christ.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
That's the valle he's taken. That's the job he's taken on.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And here he is, after an election, trying to figure
out how to get through the next four years because
a person he didn't like won the election. This is
a man of God. You served the creator of the
most powerful entity in the universe, in all of eternity,
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and you're wondering how you're going to get through the
next four years.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
He had to write article about it. Well, here we go.
Someone walked up. This is Russell.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Someone walked up to me in an airport last week
and said, so, what do you think about the election?
I was in a less than ideal mood at the
moment for reasons that had nothing to do with the election.
But I stopped myself from saying sarcastically, oh, what do
you think I think about the election? The last thing
I wanted to talk about after ten years of talking
about him, was Donald Trump. Now the news cycle will
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be the Donald Trump Show all day, every day for
four more years.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That's you, Russell. That's a you problem, not an US problem.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
This is the same thing that the trance activists keep doing.
They keep coming out and they go, I don't know
why you guys are so obsessed about it.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Republicans won't stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
We never were talking about it.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
We didn't talk about it because it wasn't even on
our radar, because we don't care about this. We didn't
talk about it until you started talking about it NonStop
and then started demanding that drag queens read stories to
kids in libraries.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Then it became a topic. Russell Moore is acting like.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Out here in modeling and we're just going out utterering
Donald Trump's name every five seconds, and most of us
are just living our lives. And it's the liberal let
that cannot keep his name out of their mouth. Russell Moore,
he said it here. He's done nothing but talk about
Donald Trump for the last ten years. But he's a
pastor and he really doesn't have to. He really doesn't
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have to talk about Donald Trump for ten years. He
doesn't have to talk about Donald Trump at all ever,
because he serves the King of the universe. There's plenty
of topic there for you if you can't stand to
talk about this politician.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
So again, this is already Russell's the victim.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Okay, the NonStop news cycle and drama won't be for
some unforeseen circumstance. It's what the American people voted for.
The theory that people would want to turn the page
on all that offered by Vice President Kamala Harris proved false.
Turns out most people like the drama just fine.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
So here we go. No Russell.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
See I told you, they don't get it. Russell doesn't
get it. No, Russell, the drama was entirely too much.
That was the problem. Y'all were putting drag queens in
the libraries and non binary teachers in the classroom, and
you were dragging people out of restaurants by their hair
for not wearing masks, and chasing down loan single surfers
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in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and arresting them
for being outside during COVID. You filled in skate parks
with sands so the children couldn't go outside and play
during COVID for no other reason than just being vindictive.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
It's been a NonStop crimes free.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
The border's been wide open, people like le Like and Riley,
our fellow citizens being murdered by illegal aliens streaming across
this border. No, Russell, we voted against the drama. The drama.
You guys were the drama. Queens y'all are making this dramatic.
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It's been dramatic because of you, and we have had
enough of the drama. So guess what. The adults decided
to turn this car right around and head back home.
That's what's happening, Russell. But I told you these people
don't get it, and Russell Moore is no exception. He
goes on, I have very little to say that I
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haven't already said, very little right that I haven't already written.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
And there are very few people who think like I do.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
But I can't control that, and neither can you. Oh wow, Okay, Well,
that there are very few people who think like I do,
all right, that's really the height of arrogance. And I
would think that that is a real great indication of
where the Russell's Mores of.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
The world stands. Really.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I believe actually that it makes him feel good to
think that most people don't think like him, and he
thinks that makes him special.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
He isn't there think perhaps he might be wrong, or that.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Lots of people think like each other and also have
differing opinions at the same time. For him, you know,
it's like, guess I'm I guess I just I'm not
like everybody else. It's like, you know what it is.
It's like, it's like that girl who says you're that
one girl. Everybody's got the one girl friend and neighbor,
and she says, I don't have any girlfriends. I'm like
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a guys girl. I don't like girls. They're like so drama.
I don't hang out with girls. I get along much
better with guys. He's like that, all right. But Russell's
a victim here. He set himself up from the start.
He's the victim, and he is. He doesn't want to
talk about Trump, even though he's been talking about it
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for ten years.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
And also he.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
You know, he doesn't a lot of people don't think
like him, and what can you do about it? He
goes on, Just like during the last near decade, those
who support Trump and those who oppose them will continue
to look at one another the way Adams and Jefferson
did over the French Revolution. How could you support or
not support that? You can control very little of that either.
All right, fair enough, Russell, and that surprisingly good news.
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The passivity of Americans in their own civic order is
always a problem. The word woke, before it became associated
with identity politics, spoke to the sense of waking people
from their slumber about injustice. The opposite of passivity, though,
is often not responsibility or engagement. Sometimes it's a kind
(22:39):
of passivity that feels like, quote, doing something wherever someone
fails on falls excuse me. On the political spectrum, that's
where doom scrolling comes into play. We feel we are
informed by having a steady stream of drama in front
of us, our emotions driven up or down by the
news cycle. We've seen the end results of that constant
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flow of real and fake information. Spikes are adrenaline. Active
is activating our lizard brains. We throw our limbic systems
into this sense of having to support or to oppose
something when much of the time there's actually nothing we
can do about it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And this works because many people like it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Okay, uh, this is how I know that Russell is lost.
I mind TikTok for a lot of information about what
people are thinking and feeling. The last three paragraphs I've
just read are TikTok paragraphs if I ever read them.
All of this throwing your limbic system, your doom scrolling,
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You've got your limbic system, your adrenaline hits. All of
that stuff is discussed on TikTok's in the little fake
therapy fits that Americans have become addicted to.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
He thinks he knows something here.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Oh, all of this arguing stuff, it's really not material.
It doesn't really matter. It's not that we really care
about things. It's just that our adrenaline, our limbic systems
are addicted to the spike. We're not really thinking about
ideas or arguing about ideas. We're just addicted to this
kind of of scrolling. And so the angry messages get
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us the most. But Russell, you're talking to yourself again.
This is what happened to them, This is what we
were trying to warn Russell about. You're the doom scroller guy.
You're the guy getting aroused by rage fueled headlines.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
That's you.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You're the one falling for right, You're the one getting
those dopamine hit I knew Trump with who I knew
he was evil. Look at this, he said, he wants
to be a dictator.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He compared, he.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Said Hitler's generals. He's envious of Hitler's generals. All of
that is for the Russell Warres, right, that's him.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I said it the last episode. I will say it.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm probably gonna be saying this a lot for the
next four years. And I'm sorry if it becomes cliche,
but it's true. This is all projection, It really truly is.
And when you look at it through the lens of projection,
these people are just describing themselves. He's the one who
gets the hits, the adrenaline bumps. He's the one who
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became addicted to the angry news cycle.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And he's the one. Frankly, doctor Moore.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
You've become addicted to the attention that the outrage gets you. That,
I believe for sure, and you need to.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Repent of that. All right, here we go, let's move on.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
What we call politics these days offers people a sense
of meaning and purpose, an interruption to the dead everydatus
of life. A jolt of adrenaline can feel almost like
life for a little while. He has a good point. Again,
I just think he has the wrong POV. Good point though, absolutely,
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that the politics has become religion. If you're if you
are a minister, you're a pastor, you're a religious leader,
doctor Born, then you should know that this is a
perversion of our search for purpose and you should be
offering Christ as that solution, not politics, not lecturing people
(26:34):
about their political affiliations as proof of their salvation. You
are tasked with leading people to salvation, helping people to
replace politics as their God, as their religion, with actual
God himself. But you, doctor marrev, let politics become your religion,
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he says. The kind of political drama is This kind
of political drama is related to actual political life the
way that pornography is to intimacy. Porn gives the same
physical sensation as sexual union. The nervous system responds the
way it is meant to respond in the union of
a husband and wife, just does so by getting rid
of the love the connection the other person. In other words,
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it gives a physical sense without what actually brings about
the joy. Someone might think that porn use will kickstart
their flagging passion, that it's a temporary step towards intimacy.
That person is left though, feeling deader and lonelier than before.
A news cycle can be like that too, ultimately leaving
people not more informed and thoughtful, but worn what with
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worn out attention spans and burnt out expectations, Doctor Moore,
you nailed it.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And that's exactly what went down on election night.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I've watched now nearly every major legacy media broadcast from
election night, and they all had to make the same
mia culpas, which is, perhaps we let our biases run
away with us when it came to the data here, right,
you had plenty of data that showed Trump far ahead
(28:12):
and winning. You have plenty of it. They clung to
things like some random little poll in Iowa that had
Kamla Harris up by three points for some strange reason,
and they ship that out to the rest of liberal
America and then everyone's going, oh, it's a shoe win.
Camel's gonna win. She's gonna run away with this, so
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it's going to be a historical win and there and
then when it doesn't happen, they're burnt out. Their expectations
get burned out. And that's what happened on election night.
A lot of liberal voters and commentators had their expectations
burned out because they did not have the right information.
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And doctor Moore thinks that it's the Donald Trump's of
the world who are spreading miss information, and it's his
own side of the political fence that are the brokers
of misinformation, which is why we don't want you guys
to be arbiters of facts and fact checking. And what
is misinformation and disinformation? You guys told us CaMLA was
(29:17):
gonna win. That sounds like misinformation. So that again, that's
a problem of your own side, doctor Moore. But in
theory he is right here. All right, let's carry on. Actually,
you know what, let me just go to quick break
right here and then I'll get.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Back to this fire.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Back all right here, we're here, we are, okay, we're back.
Reading from doctor Russell Moore from Christianity Today, his article.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
How to get through the next four years.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm really sad coming from a member of the clergy,
really said, but all right, all right, going on. One
of the things you owe your country is your attention.
By that I do not mean your constant focus. I mean,
quite literally, your attention, your ability to think and reflect
apart from the roar of the mob, would that some
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of you took your own advice, Doctor Moore. During the
tumult of the nineteen sixties War, civil unrest assassinations, Thomas
Merton argued that his ability to speak to all of
those things was not in spite of, but because of
his vocation as a Trappist monk devoted to silence and solitude.
Someone has to try to keep sorry about that dog
(30:36):
in the background, just to ignore her. Someone and she's
a small dog too. She sounds vicious. She's actually a
very medium sized dog. Her berks does not matter your bite.
Someone has to try to keep this head clear of
static and preserve the interior solitude and silence that are
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essential for independent thought. Merton wrote, not like that, he
continues a monk loses his reason for existing. If he
simply submits to all the routines that govern the thinking
of everyone else, He loses his reason for existing if
he simply substitutes other routines of his own. He is
obliged by his vocation to have his own mind, if
(31:18):
not to speak it. He has to be a free man.
Merton concludes by saying, what did the radio say this evening.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I believe in the priesthood of all believers, and in
this way, I suppose in the monkhood of all believers too.
News and information are important in helping a free and
attentive mind discern what's happening and how to make sense
of it. News and information as sources of a sense
of personal drama or belonging, though, will fray your attention,
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scatter your thinking, and affix you to whatever mob it's
easiest to mimic. It's hard to maintain sanity with a
mind like that. It's hard to love your country with
a mind like that, hard to love the Lord, your
God with a mind like that. Right, I agree, I agree,
(32:10):
I agree. This is why I think this is all projection. Yeah,
because I see guys like doctor Moore saying, yeah, all
of these things will warp your mind. But you know,
you've you've got to be open and free and free
to think, to think freely. Right, you just quoted all
that Thomas Merton section there. You got to be a
(32:32):
free man, must think freely, and and you you.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Have to be able to I lost my chana thought here.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I'm sorry, but I'm just reading back trying to catch
my Oh right, you have to be able to think
freely in order to love your God with your whole mind.
And that's what we're saying. You're not thinking freely, doctor Moore.
You've been talking about Donald Trump non stop for the
last ten years. That's not being a free thinker. Not
only that, you're telling people you need to think freely
(33:07):
in order to love the God, love the Lord your
God completely. But if your free thinking leads you to
support for the office of presidency a man like Donald Trump,
then you cannot and do not love the Lord your God.
That's the problem, doctor Moore. That's the problem. So and
(33:27):
again he thinks he's talking to you, the Trump voter,
but I think, of course he's talking to himself as usual.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Let's continue.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
He says, the stakes are too high for us to
see our country as a reality television show.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Too late for that.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
You can't opt out of the country, but you can't
opt out of the show. In some ways, you get
there by subtraction. Don't rely on social media for your news.
For instance, doctor Moore, brilliant advice. You might want to
go back and listen to one of my episode. So is,
how do I find good information. How do I find
I think it's called how I find reliable information? And
(34:06):
I give your tips on how to find information you
can depend on that isn't biased in the media. And
I won't give any spoilers for that, but I think
doctor Moore, you might like that episode.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You're absolutely right here.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Uh you know, don't be on you don't have to
be on social media, and don't rely on social media
for your news because social media relies on your doom scrolling, right,
that's where the rage baiting comes in. So I know again,
if doctor Moore would take his own advice, he'd be
good to go, because that is a headline reader. Greg
(34:47):
This stuff by Dr Moore. He's reading headlines. He's not
doing his own research.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
He's the doom scroller.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Because if you if you spend more than five minutes
actually watching the folk clips of Donald Trump or reading
the full articles, you would you wouldn't be doctor Russell Moore.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So clearly he's not doing that. Let's keep on.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
But maybe an even more important factor is not subtraction,
but addition. You're meant to have a life of drama
and adventure and excitement. Politics of the left, right or
center can't deliver it. News cycles can't replace it. Again, Great,
he's absolutely right. Politics should not be your replacement for anything,
for purpose, for excitement, for drama, for relationships.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Absolutely not. He's right. Five.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
For those of us who are Christians, we already have it. Okay,
we're finally getting to Jesus.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
We need know Youngian heroes journey. We are joined to
the life of Jesus of Nazareth. His story is our story.
Our lives are hidden in him Colossians three to three.
We are crucified under Pontius Pilot. We are raised out
of the greed. We are seated at the right hand
of the Father. All of that is true right now
and for those who are joined by the spirit to
(36:06):
the life of Christ. And we are waiting for a Trump,
not a Trump, to tell us when the action of
our lives will really get interesting in ways we cannot
even imagine yet. Okay, I'm sorry, I'll continue. I'll tell
you what I was tinkling at. Realize that this is
true for you. You don't need to be a part
(36:28):
of some make believe drama. You don't need to adopt
some politician as a father figure. Or a mother figure.
Russell MAMAA, MAMAA. You have an actual father who's making
plans for you. And when you realize how temporary, how fleeting,
and how pitiful much of what is counted as glory
in this moment is, you can learn to love it
(36:50):
without without placing on it the burden of making you
happy or driving you crazy. We always come to hate
our idols, whatever they are, because they never give us
what we want. I wonder what this article would have
been if Kamala Harris had won. I wonder what this
would sound. This is nothing but coke. I am one
(37:13):
hundred percent certain that Russell Moore would have had multiple
columns ready to go about the sinfulness and corrupt nature,
base nature of Trump voters and the Trump coalition and
American evangelicals in general, and how people like him who
(37:37):
are the rare thinkers because most people don't think like
he is. They've been there to lead us all out.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Of the darkness.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
We've been waiting for guys like him for a time
such as this. I just really believe Russell Moore had
it in his mind that he was going to be
taking some victory lapse, and he doesn't know how to
handle it. And that is the problem with all of
these people, Bill Crystal, Russell Moore, who else has peeled
(38:05):
off of the intellectuals that have peeled off over the years,
from Trump to range syndrome or otherwise. They're mad that
they're wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Ultimately, we thought we were all on the same page
and that they were one of us and we were
a part of their club.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
But that wasn't true.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
They only liked us when they thought that they were
better than us, when they thought.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
They were the ones leading us intellectually.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
And come to find out that no, actually the Russell
Moore's readers and audiences actually don't look at him as
the smartest guy in the room. He's just an interesting guy.
And that's a tough pill to swallow for a lot
of men in particular, who have built their careers on
being the smartest guy in the room. It's hard for
a lot of them to accept that they just don't
(38:50):
they got this wrong, and that not only did they
get this wrong, that got you wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
They got you wrong. But he is up.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Slowly, right, of course, we should not be so caught up.
And this is what we've been trying to tell you
for ten years, Russell, you've been losing your damn mine
over Donald Trump. And we've been trying to tell you
you serve the king of universe. So keep this where
it belongs. But we agree on that we serve a
great God, and that is where our hope is. And
these are the affairs of men, and yes they disappoint
(39:21):
us and excite us, but they should not hold the
power of our.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Personal happiness in our hands. And he's right there. We
agree here.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
He says, this means you're gonna need a Bible the
more and more than just a devotional cherry picking or
doctrinal proof text to which modern American Christianity is accustomed.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
That's a poke at you Trump voters. That's a pook
at you.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
He thinks you proof text because also you levitigants. Levitigants
because Russell Moore has been captured by the sexual identity cult.
And so anyway, all right, you will need to immerse
yourself in this stories there until you gradually start to sense.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
They are your stories.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
You need to plunge into the poems and songs there
until you find that they're telling you the story of
your own life too. You need to spend enough time
with the Jesus found in the pages of scripture that
he starts to surprise you again. I guess it sounds artful, right,
it's flowery. You need to spend time with that Jesus
(40:26):
and let him surprise you again. What are people surprised
about with Jesus? I think what russ I really believe
that what Russell is referring to here is he surprised
that Jesus didn't take camera. They're surprised that Jesus didn't
(40:48):
give them their way.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
That this was the Jesus.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
So I'm reading between the lines, obviously, but that's what
I do. You don't have to understand what you're reading
all the time.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Read it anyway. Good advice. Let the word do its work.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Don't immediately google how to understand Psal I'm forty six
excellent advice? Or what does Colossians to mean? Wrestle with it,
be baffled with it. Also, go see your pastor go
to church. That's why you need to be in a
good church. You should have someone you can ask these
questions too, and your church should provide those people if
(41:27):
you don't have them in your life.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I have my father in law. So I have a question.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
I call him, but not all of you, all, not
all of you have a VIC Davis, and I feel
sorry for you. Wrestle with it, be baffled with it. Okay,
we're closing it out, and sooner or later you will
start to hear as though calling to you personally from
those words, who do you say that I am? The
new cycle will be crazy for the next four years.
You don't have to be the end. Okay, Russell, thanks
(41:53):
for that encouragement. I'm sorry this is happening to you.
The next four years of the news cycle does and
have to be crazy, right. This is the thing that
he's omitting altogether, is that the craziness of the news cycle.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Is a choice. It's a choice.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's a choice by the legacy media to frame things
one way, to make people scared. Like I've said this
over and over, and if I was sitting in front
of doctor More, I would say this to him. I
spend occasionally time watching full days of CNN or MSNBC,
(42:30):
most recently after the election, and I whenever I watch CNN,
I every time I say to myself, yeah, if this
was the only news channel I was watching, or not
just CNN, but MSNBC, whatever your liberal outlet is. If
I was only watching these three outlets only and never
(42:51):
got my news, or never read an article or did
any kind of independent resourcing outside of these channels, be
scared too. I would be absolutely terrified. The message I'm
hearing from them is armageddon all.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Day, every day.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
So that's where you're getting all your information about who
Trump is and who the people who support him are.
And yes, of course you have a skewed and perverted
vision of your fellow Americans, doctor Moore. The news cycle
doesn't have to be crazy, and I would suggest that
if you expand your resource pool, it doesn't. It's not
(43:32):
as crazy as you think it is. And then the
other thing is is if you keep as you pointed out,
doctor Moore, if you keep your faith life in perspective
and imbalanced, you don't have to worry about.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
The crazy news cycle.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
You don't have to worry about it. It's a non
entity in your life. It's something that's going on around you,
but not inside of you. And I'm afraid that you
have let your hatred for Donald Trump become an identity
and excus everything you write about and say I'm just
(44:10):
so disappointed in doctor Moore.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I really have been over the years. I really really
have been.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
And I don't think his words come from a place
of wanting to draw people to Jesus. I think his
words come from a place of anger. I'm not saying hatred,
but I think he's angry. I think he's angry that.
I think he's angry that he's not the influencer he
thought he was. He's not the thought leader he thought
he was. There's a lot of pride and ego involved.
(44:38):
And it's not just him. I mean, I've seen it.
I seen it on the conservative side all the time.
I've been doing this job for a long time, and
I see I've seen people I would have thought were
really good, solid hard right conservatives peel off from the
movement when they have felt slighted, or when they have
felt like all their career didn't take the trajectory that
they thought it should, or that they got an election
(45:00):
result wrong. And really what it was is they didn't
like the diminishing of their influence. It was the influence
that they found attracted always, and when that started to
diminish for whatever reason, their interest in the movement diminished,
and then that turns to resentment. You start to resent
the people who were the ones to bring you your
(45:23):
success in the first place. And I, again, this is
all just conjecture. I do not know doctor Moore at all.
It's conjecture, so take it with a grain of salt.
But that's how I feel about it. And this is
just crazy amounts of cope. And it makes me feel
sad actually, because underneath all of this article.
Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's just dripping with resentment. It just really is.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
It's dripping with resentment for this fellow Americans who didn't
see things his way and didn't take his advice. And
there is a type of condescension underneath that worries me
coming from a supposed man of God. It's the type
of condescension that should never come from a man who
(46:16):
has chosen to.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
Make pastoring his career and his vocation.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That's one thing for a podcast host to get on
this podcast and be, you know, a sarcastic empathy and
even I have to make my mea.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Kopas as you guys well known.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Even I feel convicted, but I'm not a pastor, so
I just I think what makes me most sad is
to hear the disdain that he talks about his fellow Americans,
you know with and I again, he's so very online.
He needs to take that social media. But he's so
very online. He's probably looking at a lot of quote
(46:53):
maga bots or zombies out there who are saying terrible
things and mean things. And half of them are bos
half of them are Chinese people from Chinese farms that
are engagement farms that all I mean, they really are.
He is the guy that he's warning us against, the
guy that gets taken in by the bot farms and
all of the rage to click the rage bait.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
That's doctor Moore.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
He's been half the out the rage stuff, the things
that he that feed his victim mentality. I would venture
to guess three quarters of its faith it's coming from
engagement firms in Bosnia and China, and he's reading those
that he's thinking, those are the Americans that he's talking about.
(47:37):
Of course, when I look at comments, cruel comments that
he makes about people like me, I don't think poorly
of there.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
The people I know aren't talking horribly about guys like
doctor Moore.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
We're not.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
We're we're expressing our frustration and our sadness. But we're not,
you know, assuming they're going to be in hell. The
problems coming from his side of the fence. The problem
is with him. If he could take his own advice,
I think he would be a lot better off. And
it makes me sad to think that he looks at
his fellow Americans this way. The people you're blaming for this,
(48:15):
doctor Moore, are most likely bots and engagement farmers. The
people who voted differently from you are normal, regular people
who are intelligent and don't look at you with disdain
and don't think of non Trump voters with you know,
(48:39):
they don't think of them poorly, and they don't say
horrible things about them. Most people don't. I think that
it serves you. It's I call it emotional cutting. Emotional cutting,
you know, cutting is it's a form of self harm
to deal with stress. And I think that this is
(49:01):
a form of emotional cutting coming from the left right.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
The idea that.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
That, like Russell Moore said, the idea that well, not
a lot of people think like me, And I guess
I have to bear the burden of being you know,
this thought leader, And you know I guess if if
I have to be the one to reach out to
(49:32):
my neighbors and be the voice of reason in a
time of unreasoned, I guess I'll have to do it
as much as it hurts. It's emotional cutting. He likes
to feel. They like to feel like the victim. That's
why even when they won in twenty twenty, it was
(49:52):
still four years of victimhood. Right, they won everything in
twenty twenty, and it was still four years of Trans
Day of the Ability, trans Week, Awareness, trans Month, Awareness,
LGBDQ Week, LGBTQ Month, the Black lives Matter, whatever non
binary lives matter. It was four years of NonStop like
(50:15):
we have to at every city council meeting.
Speaker 3 (50:17):
We've got to stand up and recognize.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
I also want to pay homage to the Indigenous people
that we stole this lamp from. It's been four years
of non stop victimhood. Even after they won, you're never
gonna be happy. They always they have to be the victims.
They always have to be the victims. I said this
in twenty twenty two. I ran for school board. Y'all
(50:41):
know I took that loss really, really hard. I would
say I'm only just now in twenty twenty four getting
over it. I took it very personally because I put
everything into it. And when I lost, I went away,
you know, I slunk away. I didn't make a bus,
I didn't scream and yell. I went away to lick
my wounds. And those people still came after me. The
(51:02):
Union still followed me all the way up until this year.
They were following me. They were stalking me, they were
stalking my accounts, they were spreading rumors about me. They
were making life difficult for my child in school. All
of this was still happening. I remember telling my she's
not my friend, but she was my campaign manager. Julie
remember telling her, why.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
Are they still coming for me?
Speaker 2 (51:23):
They won, they won, and they still want to be
the victims. Just the other day, that stupid non binary
teacher Flynn or Flint or whatever the hell she renamed
herself too one of she was the one that had
the trans LGBTQ pornographic library in her classroom and Fox
(51:45):
News picked it up. That was my school district, The
one story I didn't send Fox News. They picked it
out on their own. Well, she was so upset and
the students came out to protest me. They came out
to protest me at my campaign events, and it was
a big thing. And she just didn't TikTok the other
day about me, she mentioned me my name, but she
(52:05):
told the story about how she ended up.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
She ended up getting fired from her school.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
She told the story about how she's transitioning now, so
she loves to show off her chest scars.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
It's really sad. Oh. She the time she had to
go up against this horrible.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Fox News nost and fight the big battye and fight
for the rights of her trans students, and she did
a whole thing on it. She doesn't work at the
school anymore. I lost the school board race. I'm not
on the school board. She won, they won, and they
(52:47):
are still the victims. So at this point, here's what's
gonna happen with just listening to yourself.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I think you're about.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
To feel a complete tonal shift because I have spent
the last five years of this show working to build
bridges across the aisle how people see things from each
other's perspective. Right, My conservative listeners will know this very
well because I have spent a lot of time admonishing conservatives,
(53:16):
especially during the Black Lives Matter era, to put the
shoe on the other foot, see things from the other
side of the aisle, even if it's not right, even
if they're wrong about how they're expressing it. Now might
be an opportunity to hear things you've never heard before
and respond to that. And guess what, jlty audience stepped
(53:41):
up like I knew they would. And I saw so
many conservatives, so many white conservatives step up over the
last four to five years, and try at least try
to figure out where the other side was coming from
by to be more open minded about some of these
(54:03):
issues surrounding race and our racial tensions.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
I have seen it, DARVYO and I talk about it
all the time.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
We never seen white Americans so open to this conversation.
So I think our people on this side of the
fence did their excuse me, did their due diligence and
stepped up, and the left swatted their hand away and said,
f you, We're done with you.
Speaker 3 (54:32):
We're not going to reach across the aisle. We're just
gonna crush you. So now what.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
I feel, it's different now, I don't I feel that
a lot of those people that I had hoped I
could reach with my earlier.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Discussions of reason.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
I feel that those people are simply captured and they
will not hear reason and they cannot be reached. And
I don't know that I'm interested in spending more time
time trying to wrestle them onto the side of reason.
We tried to y'all couldn't pull it together and at
least meet us a little bit of the way. So
(55:12):
here's what's gonna happen now. Now the grown ups are
in charge, and now it's just time for the word no.
So I do know that some people's feelings are hurt.
I do know there are some people who are genuinely
hurt over the selection, and I do feel bad about that.
I think that's that's the legacy media's fault.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
That's not my fault.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
If you would listen to this show, you probably wouldn't
have been so hurt by this result.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
I know people are hurt out there, and they're gonna have.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Their feelings hurt as we move hopefully through quickly through
this mandate that Trump hassed. The time for worrying about
hurt feelings is over, and I'm just not gonna do
it anymore. So it doesn't matter if your feelings are hurt.
I think the time for sensitivity about those things is over.
It's not going to be pretty, and I'm actually probably
(56:08):
not going to like some of the things I'm about
to see coming out of this administration. I think because
of how aggressive it's all going to need to be
in order to get done. My mother's art, you know,
is probably going to have a few problems. But that's
where we are. And y'all, doctor Moore, and y'all on
the left, you have no one but yourself to blame
for this, because if you had just cooled your heels
(56:30):
and stop being such freaking babies through twenty sixteen, Trump
would be finishing up the last year of his last
term and you'd probably be in a Democrat cycle now.
But you had to push so hard so fast. Americans said, no,
this is too far. It's gone too far. The adults
are in charge. Well, tell me what you have to
(56:51):
think about, doctor Moore and this letter and how the
left is copying. What do you think this letter would
have looked like if Kamala had won. I don't feel
that he would have been opening his arms to you
Trump voters. I don't think so I think he would
have been given you a space for repentance, and if
you wanted to repent, then you can come over, all right,
(57:14):
Write me J L. Ty at proton mail dot com.
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