Ep. 305 - Joy Taylor and the Ethics of Sleeping Your Way to the Top

Fox Sports babe Joy Taylor is in a lot of hot water after a lawsuit alleged she slept with cohosts and Fox executives for promotions, saying she would accuse one executive of rape once she was finished with him. The cliche of a woman sleeping her way to the top is based in some reality, but how much? Kira thinks through the ethics of femininity and sex in the workplace.

Episode Transcript

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Hey, everybody, happy to you. You're welcome back to another
episode of Just Listen to Yourself. This is the podcast
where we take hot topics, hot button ideas, and we
discuss the talking points on those ideas, and we draw
those talking points all the way out to their logical conclusion.
And uh, this is today. As I record this, you'll
you'll be getting this later. But as I record it,

(00:58):
it's January sixth. So I don't know what you did
today when you woke up. If you were stressing about
the state of the world and how we came so
close to an insurrection and losing our democracy, and you've
just been walking around in a fearful state all day,
I don't know if you have. I've pretty much been
going about my day. In fact, my husband texted me

(01:20):
earlier he was like, oh, yeah, it's January sixth. I
think he was probably looking at you know, probably the
CNN was on at work or something, because you know,
they are acting in progressive media. They are treating this
day the way they should have treated and should be

(01:41):
treating the New Orleans terror attack and the Christmas Market
terror attack last year or the year before in Minnesota
and everything, and literally basically every tragedy that has been
like and Riley, everything that has been happening. If they

(02:01):
would only apply this same kind of energy to real problems,
imagine what America could do. What could America do if
we were actually fully informed about what was going on
around us. It's crazy. It's just such drama, queen nonsense,
you know, it really is. You want to know why

(02:22):
Americans don't care about January sixth, because it wasn't nothing,
and we figured it out almost right away. We saw
some people protesting. I don't know anyone described it as right.
We saw people getting frisky up at front. We have
all those images. You'll notice they use the same images

(02:42):
over and over again and see only ones they have.
They don't have images of quote violence from the event.
They have those first few frames of people climbing up
over the fences and the barricades. Other than that, once
January sixth was over, Once that day was over, Americans

(03:04):
went back to it right like they elected Joe Biden,
Black Lives Matter. The country was on fire anyway. People
had other things to worry about. They really weren't thinking
about that. They went about their business, and the people
who got arrested for January sixth disappeared. And if it
wasn't for the conservative side of media, we would never
know what has happened to those people or what is

(03:25):
currently happening to those people. So there's no one out
there to tell people, like to give a face to
the problem. If you want to know how important that is,
look at luisg MANNGIONI, that killer, the CEO killer, I
shouldn't use his name, the CEO killer, and all the
progressive lunatics are, you know, going nuts over him. And

(03:46):
it matters. It's very influential to see this guy out
and walking around, and it matters for the case, it
matters for what it does for the public right, it
matters for keeping his image and his quote, message or
whatever he has at the forefront in our minds, making

(04:07):
it relevant keeping it relevant. And we didn't get that
because they rushed off all those supposed insurrectionists and criminals.
They rushed them away and tucked them away. We don't
get to hear from them. We don't know what's going on.
We don't know how bad they are. You and I
know they didn't excuse me about my mic. You and
I we already know that most of these people are

(04:29):
probably just decent, regular people. But for the Left, you
would think that they would want everyone to know how
terrible these people were. They'd be doing profiles on these people,
they would be doing background investigations. We would know all
their social media, we would know everything they posted. They
don't want us to know about these people because if

(04:50):
regular Americans know about these people, they're going to go,
what are you doing? This is crazy? So, no, Americans
don't care about January sixth because it wasn't anything. It
wasn't an insurrection, it wasn't even that big of a deal.
And now, of course we have all this information coming
out that really this was a fed job. This was
an inside job from start to finish, and we know

(05:11):
that the ultimate goal, we know this now. The ultimate
goal was to be able to was able to invoke
the twenty fifth Is that right? The twenty fifth Amendment?
When if Trump were to win, they still may do that.
We haven't reached inauguration day, but we did certify the
results today, so that's good. But we know, you know

(05:34):
that there was a lot of manufactured anger going on
that day. But outside of that fact that still many
Americans don't know. I think it's a vibe. We've been
using this word a lot. I do believe this is
a word for twenty twenty five. It's a vibe. I
like it because it encompasses so much. But Americans have

(05:54):
a vibe about fakery. Did you guys see the Megan
Markeo Netflix. I'm going to get to our topic today,
I promise. Did you guys see the Megan Markle Netflix show?
The trailer that came out for her new show with
Love Megan. It's a cooking and lifestyle show. It looks
fine enough, right, She's a very beautiful woman, classy. You know,
sometimes we like seeing beautiful people do beautiful things. I

(06:17):
get it. But it just flopped. It just sank like
a stone the second it was dropped. It's tone death.
There was a time when maybe maybe people did want
to watch beautiful, rich people making things in their kitchens.
But now it's not that time. We roundly and soundly
rejected all that in November, not to mention the fact

(06:38):
that she is roundly and soundly hated. They are as
a couple. And this is a point, and I wrote
about this on my substack. You can go read it,
but this is the point. It's all fake from beginning
to end, and you can sense that from the trailer.
It's not that people wouldn't be interested in some American
show about an American rich lady making nice things. We

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all love Mark Steward, that's not it. It could work
in some way. But everything's fake and you can sense
it even from watching the trailer. This is what I mean, American.
The fakery meter of Americans is finally tuned. Really, it
really is. I think we saw that this election cycle.

(07:19):
It's finally tuned. So even if you don't know that
the Sussexes that there's a controversy as to whether or
not the Sussexes really do live in Montecito, whether or
not you know that she's not actually using her kitchen,
she acts like it's her kitchen. She acts like she's
just hosting her friends at home. But that's not her kitchen,

(07:40):
and that's not her garden. She's picking vegetables from They
rented a mansion down the street from them. So you're
not getting a peek into her life or who she
is or how she views things. It's all fake from
beginning to end, just like she is. And if she could,
I good. On Netflix, they left the comments open and
on YouTube and if you want to go look, have

(08:02):
at it. It's fun. I highlighted just a few over
on my article at Substack. But again, it just speaks
to the fact that Americans know fakery when they see it,
or at least they're becoming finally attuned to it, and
we're sick of it. We're just we're really sick of it.
And so that's what that's why Democrats people aren't freaking
out the way you want them to about January sixth.

(08:24):
I mean, they even had a moment of silence in
the rotunda today in the Capitol. It was like another
knee taking a knee moment with the with the kidtake cloths.
It was like Democrats just hanging their heads. This is
a moment of silence for the made up insurrection for
the FBI insurrection. I mean, they're just being such drama

(08:46):
queens about it. But the reason why progress this is
because we can sense that it's all made up. It's fake,
so we don't care about it. And you haven't given
us anything you care about, right because you can't. So
you haven't given us the people. You haven't given us
the characters in this story. It's too vague for America Democrats.
It's too vague. You guys need better writers. All right, Well,

(09:08):
we're gonna get to our main topic today. Actually, what
I'll do is since I wanted to talk about those
things because I didn't feel like they made a whole show,
but they've been on my mind. But today's topic is
about something that happened this week. You may or may
not know this person. This is. This person is Joy Taylor.
She does the NFL Sunday show on Fox Sports. She

(09:36):
is the panel partner or to Emmanuel ako Aco. I
don't know any of the people in this story. It's
only the topic that I'm interested. Anyway, if you watch
Fox Sports, you probably already know who these people are.
But she's been caught up in a lawsuit turns out

(10:01):
that Joy has slept her way to the top and
maybe done a little bit worse, so she's been named
in a lawsuit. It's very, very juicy, but it brings
up the larger question about what the ethics are for
women for sleeping your way to the top. So I
want to break it down. Let's take a break first,

(10:23):
and when we come back, we'll have much more. All Right,
we are back, and I promised that I would get
into this topic. So Darvio texts me yesterday and he

(10:43):
texts me this thread on Twitter. He's like, oh, can
you believe this? This is so ratchet. I don't know
who any of these people are. I don't watch football.
I don't watch sports. Sometimes I will sit in the
room while my husband watches football, but I'm always doing
something else, so I had no frame of reference. But
if Darvy is sending it, it's juicy. So I dug

(11:06):
right in, let me share my Let me share this
with you. By the way, we're launching video. So I
know I've complained about this in the past, and that
I haven't really I don't know who I'm complaining to.
It's only my fault, But I haven't really focused on video,

(11:27):
and these days, if you're not on video, you're basically invisible.
I'm a one woman show right now. I'm hoping that's
going to change really soon or we're gone. The come
up here in twenty twenty five. So but in the meantime,
while I wait for that help to arrive, I really
do need to be getting video out there. I know this.
The software is available, it's pretty easy. So what you

(11:49):
see on my YouTube and Rumble channels right now might
be rough looking, sorry, doing the best I can. I'm fifty,
so I'm probably not gonna put myself out too much
over it. But I want to be on video because
I want people to be able to find these discussions
wherever it is convenient for you. So that's exciting. So

(12:11):
if you you can go find my YouTube page, just
look me up on you. Just look my name up
on YouTube. Same with Rumble. I'll come up. I don't
do a lot of Rumble. I'd like to be using
Rumble moore for obvious reasons, so hopefully we'll get into that.
So but let me share this screen on video here.
But he sent me this text and he included this

(12:33):
X link. When I saw who this was about, it's
about Joy Taylor. I was like, oh, yeah, I know
her because she's hot, and she's just somebody that I
pay attention. I don't pay attention to her, but I
notice her because she's a Fox. Turns out that Joy
Taylor has been actively and unapologetically sleeping her way to

(12:55):
the top. She was named in a lawsuit by a
former call. This former colleague says that she was denied
a promotion at Fox Sports by Skip Bayless because she
wouldn't sleep with him, and she said that that environment
was created by Joy Taylor. So let's read a little
bit about what this indictment says here, and we're gonna

(13:22):
focus on the ethics, but the topic of women sleeping
their way to the top. I only give you this
case because it's what sparked it. The really egregious thing
is at the end of this piece of the indictment
that's gonna blow your mind and a reason why this

(13:43):
woman should never work again. It's not necessarily has to
do with this topic. You need to hear it anyway.
So there were a number of incidences of her sleeping
with men, including a guy named mister Dixon at Fox
Sports to get promoted. So here's another example. Miss Taylor

(14:07):
again uses her sexuality to get on a show. Again.
This is from the affidavits. In approximately February twenty twenty,
Miss Taylor asked Miss Fraggi, her friend to meet her
for lunch in Beverly Hills. When Miss Farraggi arrived, she
found Miss Taylor with a man, Emmanuel Acho Acho Ac
go again. I know none of these people. I know
he's famous. I'm sorry, I'm a door. Miss Verraggi did

(14:30):
not know mister Ako, but could tell that the two
were romantically involved. Is he married? I think he is.
A few months after meeting mister Ako at the lunch,
Miss Farraggi noticed him in the hallway while at work.
Miss Froggi later asked Miss Taylor if mister Ako also
worked at Fox. Miss Taylor confirmed and explained that she

(14:51):
wanted mister Ako to eventually recommend her on the show
Speak for Yourself. Miss Farraggi became alarmed and warned Miss
Taylor that she should probably not sleep with mister Dixon
and Echo at the same time, as mister Dixon is
a very powerful man, that they may become very angry.

(15:12):
Miss Taylor told her not to worry about it. She explained,
this is where it's at. She explained that she was
also now powerful and once mister Dixon was no longer
useful to her, she would follow through on her plan
to tell the company that he forced herself forced himself

(15:33):
on her. She would not allow herself to be forced
out by mister Dixon like the other women talent. There's
a lot there. There's another one Furthered Down that I
wanted to read too. Someone posted another piece from it,
that's what's good too. In approximately twenty sixteen, words spread

(15:56):
amongst Fox employees about a new show that was going
to be a big deal as it would star mister
Baylis and Shannon Sharp. It was known that Fox was
looking for a woman with significant TV experience to also star. Therefore,
it came as a surprise when Fox announced Miss Taylor,
she who was a bartender and a radio host in
Miami with very little TV experience, would be the moderator

(16:21):
of the new show, a sports debate program. Skip and
Shannon undisputed. Mister Baylis later decided later disclosed to Miss
Froggy that he did not want Miss Taylor on the show,
but mister Dixon was adamant. I bet he was that
Miss Taylor should star. At first, mister Dixon arranged at
dinner between mister Baylis and Miss Taylor where she arrived

(16:43):
in provocative clothing and acted in a provocative manner. When
that did not change mister Baylis's opinion of Miss Taylor,
mister Dixon asked him to approve of her as a
favor to him. Reluctantly, Bayless agreed to do it as
a favor to it's friend. Okay, wow, all right, so

(17:09):
this circumstance is a little bit outside of what we
wanted to talk about. But boy, oh boy, that's some ratchet.
That's some ratchet stuff right there. I was having a
good time with the story. I was tickled by it
until it got to the part where she said, I'm
going to accuse this guy of raping me. Now, I

(17:32):
want to say this, there's no good people in this story. Okay, men,
if you're mister Dixon is married, I think ako is he?
See Siri is a Manuel Aco married? Let's see serious.

(17:54):
No he's not. Okay, he's not married. He's just dumb.
You should go get married, sir. You clearly need a
good woman in your life is help you make good decisions. Okay,
but mister Dixon is married, so anyways, you know, I
don't feel too badly for what may have been coming
his way. Gentlemen, you make your bed, you sleep with

(18:18):
whoever in it. You gotta lie in the dirty sheets,
So another reason why you should act honorably at work. Men.
But that really was vile. And I'm a woman, so
and we're all thinking adults, so we know that that
the trope of a woman sleeping her way to the

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top is a tale as old as time. When I
was when I was researching, use that term loosely. When
I was researching for this story, I wanted to find
I want to see if I could find stories from
women who made an effort to sleep their way to
the top and regretted it. And I could not find any.

(19:01):
And I didn't dig through the forty thousand search results,
but I did use three different search browsers, and every
article was about the misogyny of saying that and how
misogynistic it was to think that, and fair enough, and
we're going to talk about that fair enough, because I
do think there are you know, there's ups and downs

(19:22):
to this conversation. Some things are not fair to women
in this conversation, so fair enough.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
But.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
There it just seemed like there was this theme of
there's no this is only a good thing. This is
only a good thing. Women are getting maligned because of it.
But you know, women can do what they want and
it's not a real thing. Women have relationships at work
just like men. But women are the ones getting blamed.
But it is a real thing. When I'm reading it,
I'm thinking, no, of course it's a real thing, because

(19:55):
here's forty thousand articles on why it's not a real thing.
So of course it's a thing. And I'm a woman,
so I know. And we have talked at length on
this show about the tools of womanhood, right, and how
women have been trained out of those things, and it's
cost us and femininity and using the feminine form I

(20:15):
believe is a tool, absolutely so. But what we're talking
about is the ethics of sleeping your way to the top.
And I think we do need to decide, and maybe
this is a talking point to start at. We need
to decide is there a difference between sleeping your way
to the top and just being in a relationship, Because

(20:39):
we you know, we're all familiar with Camela's pass by.
Now we classify her as sleeping her way to the
top because she got into a relationship with the Mary
of San Francisco then Mary of San Francisco, Willie Brown,
one of the most famous politicians in America at that
time and perhaps even still to this day, and he

(20:59):
really launched her career. But they were in a relationship.
You know, it might not have been a good one.
She was his mistress, but it was a relationship. It
wasn't like they were having casual sex. They I don't
know what their arrangements were, but it was a relationship.
Do we classify a woman having a relationship with a

(21:21):
man at work as sleeping her way to the top?
I don't know the answer to that question. I started
thinking about it. When I started thinking about it, I
thought it was easy, like yeah. But then when I
really started digging in and I started just reading these
things on the internet, I thought, no, it's a little
bit more complicated than that, isn't it, Because men and

(21:42):
women are more complicated. I'll say this, Let's start with
women like Joy Taylor. Let's start there. There is a
woman who explicitly and blatantly uses sex to get what
she wants. We might call those women sugar babies. We
might call them hoes, we might call those loose women.

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We might call them prostitutes, we might call them actresses.
But there are women who know what they're doing. They
know exactly what they want to do with their bodies,
they know exactly what they're wanting where they want to go.
I got to give it to Joy Taylor. When I
was reading her history, the story of where she came from,
which was nowhere, you could see the wheels turning in

(22:27):
her head. You could see her deciding. I'm sure she
saw some other women do that in Miami and thought,
I look good. I'm young, and I have something men want,
and I want to be independent. I don't want I
don't want to be holding someone else's bag. I want
my own bed. So she took stock of what she

(22:48):
had to offer. Now, ladies, I do think that if
you take stock of what you have to offer as
a way to get ahead in your chosen career or
in life, you're making plans, you're making move I get that,
and you decide that the best you have to offer
is your body. Get out. You're losing like you're all
you've already lost the game because unfortunately, our bodies degrade.

(23:13):
That is just the nature of the human journey. You
know what happens to women in the industry when they
get of a certain age and they're trying desperately to
hold on to youth. It's embarrassing. It will come back
to bite you in the ass. Morally, it will bite
you in the ass, Joy Taylor, morally, it will. It
always catches up to you. My goodness, what's done in

(23:35):
the dark comes to light. There are no secrets. And
I was thinking about how what men use for as
a as a tool to get ahead, right, because men
are men use what they have personality wise, and we

(23:57):
don't have to look very far to see examples, like
in Hollywood Harvey Weinstein. There are men who use their power.
They abuse their power, they abuse their authority, they abuse
their money. That's what men have, power, authority and earning potential,
and so men do use that. But women aren't men.

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And we have talked at length on this show about
how women and men have different tools and use those
tools differently, and that's why we're complimentary partners. So what
tools do women have we aren't powerful, right does a
man's world women. There's a few powerful women, but women
aren't powerful, not in the traditional aggressive sense of the word.

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So we don't have that type of aggression going for us.
We don't have that masculine energy that makes people move
out of the way for us, or we don't have that.
We don't necessarily have the career trajectories or the wealth
and status that many men just to step into. But

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we do have this feminine form. We do have the
feminine figure, and it that is powerful, and women who
understand that can wield the power for good or evil.
And Joy Taylor chose to wield it for evil. She
knew what she had. That's the thing. A lot of
y'all ladies out there, you don't even know what you have.

(25:24):
She used what she had, and unfortunately all she has
is that body. It's a good looking body right now,
but it wasn't enough, right, It's not enough to keep
her from being named She's toast. She's never working in
the business again, She's not at this level. Right, She's

(25:46):
never gonna launch from spot Fox Sports into something bigger
because now she's just ruined. Everybody knows she's a hoe.
Everybody knows, but this is what women do. Darvio said,
I'm sorry, I know this is all over the place
because I don't have notes for this because I didn't
know how to make notes for this show. So it's
a free flowing episode. Bear with me. Darvio said, you know,

(26:12):
I was looking at video of Emmanual Echo, and he's
been deleting a lot because he's spent a lot of
time defending her and now she's, you know, a potential
rape accuser, So he's been deleting a lot. And clearly
if you go through his timeline, you can tell he
really likes this girl. But Darvio said, he was acting
like he loved her or something. And I said, you

(26:34):
know what, Darvo, we talk a lot about how men
just want sex, but we never talk about how badly
men want love, and women use that just as much
as we use sex. The desire to be loved for
men is deep and it's real, and it's just as
powerful as the desire for sexual satisfaction. So a lot

(26:57):
of women, they're selling sex and love, and they're selling
it both. So it wouldn't be surprised, It wouldn't surprise
me if he felt that they were in a relationship
and that they were in love. And I bet even
dumble mister Dixon thought it too, because what we got
eighties between these ears and between these thighs. Men go

(27:24):
to war over it. It's powerful. It's powerful. We've talked
about it at length on the show anyway. So if
a woman chooses to use that type of power selfishly,
then yes, she can do a lot of damage. She
can do a lot of damage to a man, but
she can get herself far and in a way, I

(27:46):
don't begrudge a woman for using that. I just think
it's it's a bad idea because it will bite you
in the butt eventually. I mean the way that look
at Harvey Weinstein. Eventually someone took them down. Acually, everyone
has to pay the piper. Eventually, everyone must face judgment
on this in this realm or the next. Thankfully we

(28:09):
got to see Harvey Weinstein face judgment. But you know,
he was a guy who used He had good things
about it, right. That guy knew how to run a business.
The guy knew how to run a studio. The guy
knew how to wheel and deal and cut deals. He
knew how to bring in hit movies. I mean, there's
a reason why he was so successful. Harvey Weinstein made
a lot of really good movies and they got made

(28:32):
because he advocated for them. He had an eye, he
got it. So he did have talent, he did have
tools to use, but he abused the tools and the talent.
And women we can do that too. I do think
your sexuality, I'll say I do think sexuality is a tool.

(28:54):
Maybe a better way to put it is femininity is
a tool, and I believe women who learn how to
harness their femininity. I'm not talking about being a glambot.
We you know, we don't all have to be Kim
Kardashian or whatever whoever your most beautiful person is. We don't.

(29:15):
I'm not saying that under all the makeup, in the
fake hair, I'm in my fake hare era though, no apologies,
I've been buying a lot of hair. But it doesn't
have to be that. But the idea of just like
operating to use the TikTok therapy phrase, like operating out
of your femininity. Somebody asked me once, but this is

(29:38):
a very common question. Why does it seem it just
seems swe but why does it seem like conservative women,
at least the ones in the punitry sphere. Why does
it seem like conservative women are so much more attractive
than liberal or progressive women? Or am I being a jerk?
And I said no, I believe, I believe you're right.
But it's not because more beautiful people are attracted to

(30:03):
one ideology over the other. That's not it. It's because
the one of the principles of conservatism is individualism and
understanding your identity right as an American, as a as
a faith a Christian, or a person of faith. And
so we believe very strongly that we're created for very

(30:27):
precise roles men and women are, and so women, conservative
women are not afraid to lean into their femininity. It's
a part of their ideology in a way that this
is my creative being. So not all of us wear makeup,
not all of us wear heels, but all of us
are operating out of our feminine energy because that's what
we've been gifted. And liberal women and have an idea,

(30:52):
and we see this coming out of Hollywood all the time,
that to be successful means to be more like a man.
So everything they offer is to make us more like men.
Cut your hair, short, wear your power suits, be stern,
be nasty, be aggressive, be a sexual predator, be over
sexual right, treat sex the way men do. Or Michelle Williams.

(31:16):
The actress Michelle Williams won an oscar and went on
stage and accept that the oscar by saying, I'm so
glad I had an abortion all those years ago because
if I hadn't, I wouldn't have this career. I got pregnant,
if I kept the baby, I wouldn't have been able
to have this career. I'm so glad that I killed
my baby, that I sacrificed my baby for money. She

(31:36):
didn't say that, but that's basically what she said, and
what I heard or saying, besides a very obvious point
of child sacrifice, is that she how shiput this. She
just admitted to the world that what she did was
conform her body to the standards of a man in

(31:58):
order to be successful. Because men don't have babies, men
don't have to worry about getting pregnant. So that's what's
what Hollywood tells you you have to do. Women don't
get pregnant as inconvenient men's body. Men's bodies don't have
to do this. See. All they do is sell us
men stuff and then try to call it femininity, try
to tell us that that that's that's feminists. Its fakery

(32:21):
and lies and mimicry, trying to mimic something they know
nothing about. That's why that Kamala Harris add for the
real men vote for Harris was so ridiculous because it
was made by people who don't know real men. They
have a parody, They have an idea of what a
real man is in their head, and that's what they
put on screen, and it showed. I think that there

(32:48):
are tools that women use, and they can be used
well if you understand who you are and how to
use it and what the gifting is. Progressives don't understand,
so they mess it up all the time. They mess
up all the time. The most powerful women I know,

(33:12):
the most successful and aggressive career wise women I know,
are married women. And they came in I suppose I
would include myself in that, not that I'm highly successful,
but this next part. Their success came after marriage a
lot of times, not all the time, of course, but

(33:33):
many times after marriage, there is something very powerful to
be released, to be your full feminine self, to be
every to safely express your sexuality within the marriage covenant.
You know you're protected to do that. Right. So when
I was single, I never wore low cut anything. When

(33:54):
I was single, I was very modest. As a married
woman of fifty through some years, yeah, I want to
show the puppies off. My husband makes me feel safe
to do that. Not everybody agrees with that. By the way,
some people think that a woman should be covered up
in the presence of her husband so the other husbands

(34:16):
don't look. But we're not like that. But all that
to say that there's something freeing about the protection of marriage.
So I do believe that when there are women who
take that version of femininity right, that strength, that power,
and then they take that and they push that into career,
into their career, and when men see that woman walking
down the hall or in leading the board meeting, they're

(34:38):
attracted to it. They listen to her more. The men
don't like nagging women and they don't like bossy women.
So the girl boss is I think an ineffective brand.
Men like a woman who does look like she's in
charge but also gives off a feminine energy. They are
attracted to it and they will listen to you they were,

(35:01):
they were way more likely to listen to you if
you're looking good. I don't make the rules. I don't
make the rules. I would make them differently if I did,
because I would be a lot more successful if we
didn't have to depend on looks. But I'm not a
you know, a Barbie or not that you have to
be a Barbie. That's insulting to women who have done this.

(35:24):
I guess I haven't enjoyed the work, the maintenance to
be TV ready all the time. I don't enjoy that
part of the gig. But I recognize that looking good
opens more doors. So I think women like Joy Taylor
not like Joy Taylor because what she was about to

(35:47):
do that that man is vile. Like I said, they
all deserve each other. But women like that who choose
to blatantly use their sexuality and be cruel about it,
they're using a tool, and I think it's a legitimate tool,
the way that lying is a legitimate tool in business.
It's not a tool that will ultimately be good for

(36:09):
your spirit or your reputation, but it is used, and
you always have to choose, no matter what business you
go into, no matter what who are you going to be.
Are you going to be the person who chooses the
easier way to the top, or are you going to
be the person who holds on to your principles and

(36:32):
your values and holds them as more priceless and precious
than any promotion or pay raise people have to choose.
Most of us will come up against that decision at
some point. I have come up several times in my
career as a conservative commentator and had to decide, am

(36:56):
I taking the money or the fame comes first? In
this business? Usually am I taking the fame or am
I taking my integrity? I think we all knew which
one I choose. Anyways, integrity doesn't pay mortgages. I wish
it did all right times. So let's go to another break,

(37:21):
and when we come back, I want to talk about
what it means to have a relationship with someone in
the workplace and is that different for women than sleeping
your way to the top. Okay, we're back, and we've
been talking about the ethics of a woman sleeping her

(37:42):
way to the top, and I have said, I do
think that it's a tool. I don't think it's a
really clever one, but it is something that women use
and it's effective. As we know it's effective. Again, just
to harken back to what I was saying in the
last segment, I went online to look up articles about
any woman who regrets sleeping her way to the top,

(38:04):
and every article I found was about how it's wrong
to accuse women of sleeping their way to the top.
And so let's move on. Let's let's move on here.
I want to talk about is there a difference between
sleeping your way to the top and being in a relationship.
This is where I do think mistogyny comes in. This

(38:24):
is where I do think some women are judged unfairly
on this topic. Let's go back to the Kamala Harris situation. Actually,
what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna read this Washington
Post article that I found and it was the same thing.
It was an article and funny enough, from twenty nineteen.
It's actually about Kamala when she was running and all

(38:46):
those accusations came up again. And it's it's silly article,
but it really had some interesting I thought it had
some an interesting section in it. Let me read it
to you and then I'll break it down. She says,
we talk about men abusing power. We talk about women
not even deserving power. The distinction matters because the conversation

(39:09):
isn't really about sex. It's about legitimacy. It's about who
we think has earned the right to be successful and
what criteria will invent and who will apply it to.
I agree with this author. It is about who we
think has earned the right to be successful, and what
criteria we invent for that person. We do that, right,

(39:30):
we decide, well, it's okay, look that person got there
through four PhDs and you know the four internships, you know,
and that's the criteria we use for success or that's
the criteria we use for who deserves this chance. But

(39:51):
somebody else might be using the criteria of like mister
Dixon likes Skip Bayless's, well, like Skip Bayless was he
ended up. He wasn't a good guy saying no to
Joy Taylor. He just had someone else in mind. And uh, shoot,
this happens all the time these days.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I just that train of thought just went right out
my mind. But we're talking about relationships, So back on check.
We're talking about relationships, and Skip Bayless is not a
good guy, right, he knew what he was selling. He
knew what the what the cost of emission was and

(40:35):
clearly women like Joy Taylor know too. But what happens
what about when you well, no, let me get back
to this. See foggy menopause is not fun. Let me
get back there. Maybe we should stop accusing women of

(40:57):
sleeping their way to the top, which is literally every
article goal I looked up, wrote Aaron Gloria Ryan in
The Daily Beast in twenty seventeen. Maybe because men have
been the ones sleeping women to the middle and the bottom.
And I thought that was profound, Like we women sleep

(41:19):
their way to the top. I've established as I believe
this podcast. So that's a thing. It gathering my thoughts here,
that's a thing. But when I say women that you

(41:41):
need to be careful, all right, pulling my thoughts together.
When I say women that you need to be careful,
this can be a successful strategy, or women wouldn't use it.
Joy Taylor clearly went from being a bartender to hosting
a popular sports show and primetime Like that's huge. So
it does. But this is what I'm saying, you need
the wigh. The cost is always a cost. You will

(42:03):
always have to pay you will always have to pay.
The devil desires a price, he exacts a price. There's
no free lunch, so eventually you're gonna pay. And guess what.
This is a man's world, and Skip Bayless is more
powerful than you, and so was that lower level executive

(42:24):
mister Dixon. By the way, Joy, what a foolish and
prideful and just delusional notion that she's just well, I'll
just use him until I get what I want out
of him, and then I'll accuse him of rape. Honey,

(42:46):
you don't even know what leagues you're playing with. You
think you're powerful because you've been sleeping with some powerful men.
You've been giving them the coach that they can get
from a lot of other very hot women who will
be a lot less trouble if. If that's what it takes,
they'll go find it, you know what I mean? Like, ladies,

(43:08):
this is the thing. You never ever have as much
power as a man, not the same kind of power. Again,
I don't want, I don't mean to contradict myself because
I have said that we are very powerful in our femininity. Absolutely,
But if you're gonna play a man's game, you're never

(43:29):
going to win a man's game. She's playing a man's
game using womanly tools, but it's ultimately a man's game.
You're gonna get burned. She just got burned by the
way she's cooked. She might come back if she had
never said admitted she was gonna accuse this guy rape.
But nobody's gonna mess with her. I mean, nobody that
can help her is gonna mess with her from now

(43:51):
on because no dude wants a rape charge. She just
cooked herself. I can't believe it. I mean, you read you, so,
you read what you so the whole thing is so juicy.
All right, let me read on from here, because this
is another interesting part. And she is referring to that
sleeping women to the middle and the bottom. Right, You

(44:16):
can sleep with Harvey Weinstein, ladies, and you can get
that big job and get that big payday. But the
second he decides he's done with you, you're powerless. Right, you
might feel powerful, now you're powerless. Ask Ashley Judd about that.
Remember Ashley Judd, she was the biggest star in the
world for about a decade. She was huge, She got
every movie, gorgeous. Naomi Judd's daughter just a superstar. And

(44:40):
overnight disappeared overnight what happened Harvey Weinstein. But we didn't
know until just recently. We didn't know he tanked her
because she wouldn't sleep with them. So, ladies, yes, I
love that statement. Like men may have been the ones
sleeping women to the middle and the bottom. You may
go up, but what goes up come down. And you
don't have power, Miss Joy Taylor, you do not. Please,

(45:03):
do not fool yourself into thinking that you are as
powerful as this man. You're just making good money. He's wealthy.
Wealthy people can do pretty much anything. He can hire
any lawyer, you can hire any pr team, he can
hire anybody to harass you. He can hire anybody. He

(45:26):
can ruin your reputation. And there are all these men
you were sleeping with. They're not going to be there.
This is the other thing, Ladies. If you're giving it
away like that, you're also giving away your protection. Those
men aren't going to protect a hoe. You got one purpose.
It's a transaction, fair enough, That's all that the transaction is.

(45:49):
It doesn't include protection, right, It doesn't include the things
that come along with a man being committed to a
woman in a relationship. She's screwed. She's on her own. Now,
you don't have this kind of power. Don't fool yourselves
with it. You don't have this kind of power, she says.
The application is more general and the pattern is often

(46:12):
the same. A talented woman dates a powerful man, and
from then on, whether the relationship lasted two decades or
two months, her success will be traced back to that man,
as if her own hard work were less important than
his cameo appearance in her life, as if she were
actually the cameo and her story. I think that's astute,
and I think that that is poignant. Again, I ask you,

(46:35):
did Kamala Harris sleep her way to the top or
did she have a relationship with her boss? And are
they different things? I would say that because listen, I
know this from the entertainment side, right, I do this now.
But I was a young actress. I did theater mainly
when I was younger, and I did an internship, and

(46:56):
I had many proposals from older men who were mostly
blatant about it, right, who were like one man in particular,
was actually blatant. He didn't mince words. I was twenty
two at the time. He told me I will do.
You see that building across the street, I own a
studio apartment there. I will let you live in that apartment.

(47:20):
I will lease a car for you, and I will
give you a weekly allowance. And all you have to
do is be available to me once or twice a
week when I come by. Literally that twenty little and
it's a Christian virgin me. When I tell you, I

(47:42):
did not know what to say. You know what I said.
I was like, oh, okay, I'll think about it, and
I like made some excuse to leave. It happens men
do this. So if I went into that situation with
the intention of just getting more and making a decision,
I'm going to use sex to get the things I

(48:04):
need and want. That is sleeping your way to the time,
and that is we're sure wrong, but sometimes it happens.
Women go into the workplace and you meet someone and
you're working with someone every day, and feelings develop, and
you're sharing meals. Sometimes you're going out and sharing drinks.

(48:25):
If you're in a position like in politics, where you
travel a lot, you're you're out together a lot, in
hotels together a lot. Gosh. I mean, there's a billion
stories of men and women falling in love at work
and having an affair at work. And I think this article,

(48:46):
although it was defending Kambla Harris, you know, they were
mad about us bringing her past up, I do think
that that is a valid point. What's the difference between
having a relationship, even if it's a bad idea, if
it's an ill advised relationship. What's the difference between having
a relationship with someone and sleeping your way to the top,

(49:11):
Because all businesses relationships, by the way, you I might
not be I'm definitely not sleeping with any of my
colleagues in the industry. But every job I have is
based on relationships. In the industry, some of it's based
on friendships, you know, going and meeting those people and
becoming friends with those people. And then when we have opportunities,

(49:33):
we share them. And some of those people are wealthy
people and connect to people and they and they help me,
they offer me jobs and things, you know, So we
use relationships already to it's called networking. It's called networking,
and so not that romance is networking, but just to
say it is a form of a relationship. So in

(49:55):
a way, is this not another type of relationship, like
you get your jobs and promotions and things like that.
A lot of us get those things from people we
know a tip or oh, I'm your friend's a boss
and they're hiring or that's how we get the next
job or the next opportunity. So yeah, of course, if
you're in a relationship with someone and they love you

(50:18):
and they see opportunities for you in their where they're working,
they know you want those like of course, yeah, those
people are gonna offer you those opportunities. Does that make
you a hoe? I don't know. Kamala's got other things too.
This is a pattern for her, for sure. She has,
Uh there's been rumor and all married men, by the way,

(50:39):
been rumors about her with Newsome and also with her
and a couple of other politicians in the past here
in California. So she may have a pattern. I don't
know what she thinks about in her mind when she's
going out there and doing that. But I do know
what I tell y'all all the time on this show,
Michelle Obama doesn't like her. There's a reason for that.

(51:00):
Michelle Obama does not like her. I know we're supposed
to think that because they're supposedly two black women, and
I have thoughts about Kamla, and I know some of
you have thoughts about Michelle. I don't share those, but
I know they're supposedly two women, Black women, and so
they're supposed to have all this stuff in common. But

(51:21):
Michelle Obama does not like Kamala, and I believe it's
because that's her reputation. And Michelle Obama is an accomplished woman,
obviously educated and has so she I'm sure she looks
down on that quite a bit. I don't know what
do you think though, What do you think? Right to me?

(51:42):
I'm thinking it's a bit unfair to classify a relationship,
to pin a relationship and the benefits of that relationship
on a woman and label her as sleeping her way
to the top when she may have just been in
a relationship. And they're all a lot of us who
have relationships at work. Some of us go on and

(52:02):
marry those people, some of us don't. There's a lot
of affairs at work. I'm not saying they're good relationships
or healthy relationships, but it is a type of relationship.
And what if the woman didn't go How many women
are whatever you're lonely, having a sad time going through
transition in life, or you're just captured by a charming

(52:24):
personality at work and have slowly fallen for someone at work.
She's not going into that situation going I'm going to
have sex with this man my boss and hopefully get
promoted up through the ranks. But maybe he takes advantage
of her vulnerability, her position, or maybe he just genuinely
likes her too. They have a relationship and that relationship

(52:45):
does launch her into other things. Is that bad?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I have.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Been given many opportunities through my husband. Is that me
sleeping my way to the top. I'ven't gotten opportunities for
him that I never would have had on my own.
Would we classify that as sleeping your way to the top.
I mean, I'm kind of being funny, but not really
like is it? I don't know? Right to me? Jlty

(53:13):
at proton mail dot com. Jlt Y at ProtonMail dot com.
Talk to me about the ethics of sleeping your way
to the top and what makes a woman a bad
person for doing that. I obviously have my feelings about
where sex belongs period. It belongs in the marriage bed,
but outside that's not what this episode is outside of

(53:34):
that discussion, What are the ethics of a woman using
her sexuality to get work? Is it any worse than
a man using lying or boxing somebody out at a meaning,
or a man doing any number of things that men
do wherever they work. Is it any different or is

(53:56):
it just a different kind of tool that she's using?
And is it different if a woman is having a
relationship with a man, And are we oftentimes unfair labeling
relationships women might have at work as sleeping to the top,
when really it might have just been a love matched

(54:18):
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All right, Well, we are just days away from the

(56:05):
world changing yet again, and I'm excited. I hope you're excited.
Will definitely be talking about whatever goes down. Listen, before
I say goodbye to you, I want to tell you this.
I want y'all to be praying out there weird stuff
is going on. It's only gonna get weirder. And I

(56:26):
think a lot of people are going to be looking
for some answers. A lot of what we thought was real.
I think it's gonna I think that's gonna shift, and
a lot of people are going to be looking for answers.
Those of us who know the One True God, know
the story of creation, and know the reality that we

(56:46):
actually live in will have the answers. So be praying.
Be praying for the people who are not. Didn't necessarily
be sure about what's happening. I mean, I don't know
what's about to happen. But all of you have written
to me and hit me up on social media, and
you've all said the same thing I've been saying, which

(57:07):
is things feel different. Something feels different. So I want
you to be praying, but I want you to pray
for the inauguration. I definitely think that there are some
plans in the works for some terror attacks in DC
and definitely around the country. Isis is here. They've made
it across the border and they're here. I believe that

(57:28):
these drones we're seeing are some kind of detecting craft
looking for materials that's what I believe, but I don't know.
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(57:53):
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chew on, just like this whole show. All right, Well,
I'll catch you guys later. Until next time. Don't forget
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