Discusses: Kali Kazoo

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
More is to me.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Oh sound they sounds great. That audio is coming in
Like a non alcoholic beer. I'm in a non alcoholic
beers now, guys, I'm a former alcoholic, but now my
friend got me into non alcoholic beers. I'm gonna crack
one open. I'm gonna leave in about five minutes to

(00:33):
grab one. The bubble is good, but.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
If Canada dry, ginger all.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Canad dry is good. But Canada is actually very wet.
It's probably a lot more wet than the lot a
lot of lakes out there are there.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Never been to Canadian Canadia.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I think that's in your that's your next tour stop.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I should go there. I you know a lot of
times when I mail out art because you know, you
can buy art from me online, I'm I mean, I'm
not complaining, but whenever I see them like god damn,
it's going to Canada, which means I have to physically
go to.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
The post national start.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
They don't have They don't have postal numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
They have a you have as far as I know,
when you when you mail stuff through the post office,
if you mail it within the country, you can get
away with just like downloading a postage and they pick it.
Your mailman picks it up. If it's international, you gotta
go all the way to the post.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You know what they say about Canadian post post workers, right, No,
they're a boot their business.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh my god, I'm a goodnight was lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
We have no listeners in Canada, so weirdly like we.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Have because of me. There's a lot of Canadians. Yeah,
what is this show? I'm on?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
What is this? What was happening?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
The Canadian stereop on Just one song and just one
song is a fun little podcast. And let me do
my introduction tonight on just one song we have you
have show host Callie Kazoo, who is an artistic an
animation anim animator this is totally my fault, and an

(02:21):
indie pop rock star in the LA based in the
LA area, and a video game enthusiast. Thank you for
coming on the show. We did a lot of research
into you because we're like, we want to know our guest,
and your first question is what's this show? So I
appreciate the boldness. We're yeah it originally please.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Well, I think she was just CALLI was trying to
get us on track. I think that's what what are
we doing. We have ship to do.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's my natural tendency as a show host, Like, all right,
well what do we do?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
What is the purpose of I mean in life in general?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
What I'm going to learn some things tonight. I'm being
the host, so I'm I'm super psyched. I'm taking notes.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
You need glitter, glitter, background.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
A lot more glitter. I liked. And is this the
famous seaphone that I've heard a lot about? Is this this?

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, although I wish it's not. It comes off a
lot darker.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Is that actually? Like as like on your website.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
My headphones, my the microphone.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
And I heard hitting it. I heard that you have
a seaphone green carbon guitar amp I do and a
ceaphone green matching guitar pedal, And I would like to
see these I heard these things, these rumors.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
The amp I don't have on me at the moment.
It's broken. It's broken so many times. It's it's because
it's a tube bandy and you know, anytime it got
moved around in the wrong way, it's broken. Uh, but
that's funny you'd bring that up. Yeah, No, that was
my infamous carbon I bought off the internet, off of

(04:08):
Craigslist from a guy who was I'm pretty sure was
like had his drug dealer waiting there for cash. Was
like selling his amp to get cast.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
The black market guitar amp trade.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Oh yeah, because it was a really nice amp for
really cheap. I was like, he must be desperate. Uh.
And then I met Paul Frank online, the post designer,
and he offered to a build me a guitar pedal
board because he never had built one before, and he's like,
that would be fun. And he offered to take my

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amp and recover it in the same matching ceaphone glitter finyl,
freaking rat the plan. That's pretty cool, which a lot
of people also, Yeah, I see my guitar strap that
made me and phone.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh yeah, I'm thinking because I I didn't know I
was reading sea foam and.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
You know it's some people describe seafoam differently. Some people
are literal because seaboam is white in little wild technically,
but uh, it's supposed to evoke a sort of beechy color,
not quite blue, not quite green, so like turquoise but lighter.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Did you grow up around the beach? Where where does
this system come from?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah? I grew up like El Segundo, Manhattan Beach, sand
Lu's Obispo, Moro Bay, A.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Bunch of so cow babies up here. Yeah oh yeah
yeah by way of San Diego. But I live in Portland, Oregon. Now,
so I'm far away. We all know, well, Corona is.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Corona's not the Disney. But I'm guarding Grove.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Hold on, hold on, Kurt, You're you're messing my backstory.
Up I was old in San Diego. Its right on
the border. No, no, no, I'm just I was. I
was trying to make a connection with our guests, but
they were all, We're you are the odd men. No
sea Foam. I like it, and it does evoke a

(06:24):
lot of like nostalgia. I was just in California for
two weeks on the trip to see a bunch of friends,
and I had my old band had a reunion show
in Corona, and Kurt drove out to Corona, and I
had a lot of nostalgia the entire time. We like,
we went to Laguna and we went down to just
went up the pH Okay, yeah you don't get okay,
So up.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Here at some point in Manyham Beach, it's it is
PCCh but they call it something different when it runs
through Manhattan Beach Port. It's right where the Like ship
factory is, you know, the the La Waist plant. What
is it called the period period plant?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I likes so much more professional. I like ship factory.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
That's where all of LA's ship goes and gets processed
and then dumped in the ocean.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
And sold at Dilcha and Goodbye.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
It's also where they shot a lot of weird sci
fi films. What was the one with the Charleston Heston
where he's like soil and green is people like.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Green is people looks like your background. That's where I was.
The beach background full circles.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Seafoam is also.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm pretty sure if you go to these these little
beach towns up and down the you know coast, Yes,
they sell like salt water taffy and fudge. Yeah, my
wife got me into sea foam and it's it's like
this crunchy, crispy honeycomb thing covered in chocolate.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I've not had that, and I definitely not honey or
is it a different.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Interesting that's why you're so sweetly.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
So you mentioned you have a band or had a band,
have had.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I was in Corona for a reunion show for my
I want to move my my I have a very
precarious situation with my my setup with my microphone. So
if I moved my computer, the.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Meetings for like an hour and a half and then
we're like talking to two.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So this is why, No, that's not happening tonight.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think Arthur. Let it happen.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Cali needs to put her seaphone. What are those called sweepies?
What are those things called? Im ass? There you go?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I have the one from a was it breakfast
at Tiffany's where it's seafoam agree with gold eyelashes?

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Where did you get that?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Mm hmm, I don't remember. I just seeing them and
me like my breakfast actifany.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
It would have been good if you said the ship factory.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
This ship factory, very good at it.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
They've nailed the recipe.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
No, but yeah I was. I was in California and
it was very nostalgic. I haven't been back. I've been
living in an Oregon for like seven years, and I
was listening to your music today, so I was even
more inundated nostalgia because it has a very southern California
pop jangle, folk punk kind of feel to it. And
I got even more nostalgic because I'm decompressing, right. I

(09:32):
grew up with these guys right in this in Corona.
I don't know if you've been to Krona. It's a
little bit south.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I'm trying to I've definitely heard of it.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
It's a ship factory, it is. It is the ship fact.
It's Inland Empire.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Well I've definitely driven through.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Everyone has.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
You sure have. If you've if you've gone to San Diego,
you've driven through Corona. It is just a blink and
you'll miss it.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Sound You're like, uh, what was it, cass It is
no riverside.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, it's surrounded by meth. Is how you got a.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Little It's very metthew place to be.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, the original I think they were originally going to
shoot Breaking Bad in like Elsinor, but they were like, it's.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
No, it was too expensive.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Oh my god? Really, oh yeah, why not shooting palm down?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Even Big Bear, Big Bear. There's a lot of meth
stuff in Big Bear. Weirdly, yeah, really, there's you think
about if you drive down the redland side or the
south side through Barstow. There's so many off shoots. You're
off the main road and my grandparents live up there
and whenever we come home, like there's always something creepy
going on at night. So you see, like someone when

(10:50):
they're broken down and tempted to stop.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
You're like keep going, no, don't do that helped me
fix Maharley for myth rock. I don't know that's how
it fast bear.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Thank you what you were listening to specifically.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Oh, the last thing I listened to was Clem off
of Engineer.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Pioneer, Engineer Painted Pioneer Great.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
No, what a great album name. I really liked Clem
and then I got into Murky Blues. But I was
listening to your most recent album throughout the day and
I was going to ask you about that because I mean,
you it seems like you have always been a songwriter.
Oh yeah, a solo artist, and just kind of the

(11:45):
evolution of you as an artist. Your new stuff is
very much so I wrote this with the band, and
your earlier work is which I loved, both ends of
the spectrum very much. So Clem is in a beautiful song.
But if you were to compare that to the music
you are putting out in twenty twenty four very different
because you're writing in the context of the band. What's

(12:07):
that like or do you still have the same writing process?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I you know, It's it's weird because my process for
writing a song has never changed. It's just like I've
gotten more like fancy by like working with fancier people
or fancier equipment like a carbon or having like like
you know, cool musicians where I can be like do
something like this like bl or just be like whatever

(12:33):
you think sounds good to this, you know, but I
might I've never really changed the way I proach songwriting,
like I've never I've never like, I've never been one
of those people that's been super collaborative in their songwriting process.
It's always just been me alone writing a song and
then I show it to like other musicians and go
like what do you think and they're like it's too long,

(12:55):
and I'm.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Like, na crash, nay intervalid, But yeah, like, uh.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It's it's interesting because I would say the only album
that I have that I would say is the closest
thing I have to an album that's like written as
a band is my third album, which is darker and
deeper than the scenes of Hell. I wanted to sound album,
but it's not.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
The album artwork is pretty pretty metal.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, so I got it was my co worker at
the time on the Looney Tunes cartoons, Johnny Ryan, who's
infamous for doing crazy lude art, very.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Coming out of the depths of the ocean to destroy it.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then I made it Seaphone because you got to
make a curee.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
You're obligated. At this point, you've committed. I know, really,
when you die, your your casket.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
I just want to be melted down into seaphone.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Like Ariel in the original Little Mermaid. That's bleak exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, take.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Go ahead see the thought.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I you know I I I try not to be
too obsessed with it, but it speaks for itself. It's
a it's.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
A it's a great color.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's such a great microphone.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
I left it at work. I was so bummed. My
favorite headphones are at work.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
I do some.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I do tula mic I'm not I'm not doing We're
not sponsored.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Oh the is it that fancy?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I don't have one of those.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
I mean one of those black, but I have a
sea foam green one.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
But you know, uh, you mentioned Clem, and that's actually
the cords of that I wrote when.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I was a kid. Is it a Clem would Clem
was just a friend was living with you or they
were living with you.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
No, I mean the lyrics came later. I because sometimes
I'll do that where I'll come up with a riff,
I'll write it down or save it or record it
so that I remember. And the reason I have that
riff is that I recorded on a little tape cassette
back in my day. But uh, yeah, no. And then

(15:16):
I was when I wrote that song for the first album,
the lyrics, I had just been reading this graphic novel
called Gus and his Gang. It's by this French artist,
and uh, there's a character in the story whose name
is Clem. And I tried to write a song in
the perspective of one of the characters singing about Clem.

(15:40):
Because I don't know why. I was just really into
that's excellent.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I mean, it's I like that. I love that song,
and I love the music video for that is really cool.
You got some cool people in that video too. You
got Jeff Davis, Davis, Sam Brown from the Whitest Kids.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I because you know, I when I first did that,
when I did that first music video, I was, you know,
slightly paranoid, like this would be all I would ever do.
Oh try to like do as much as I could. Crazy. Yeah,
and I read like one of the guys ended up
being like more well known after the music video. See,

(16:21):
I had only met him for the first time. He
was one of the other gangsters, Jake. So he ended
up on that County Central show Corporate or No Something.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Oh my god, there's credits on the video Jakeman.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
It seems Jake Something. Yeah. Yeah, anyway, but I he
was friends with the director, So there were some people
in the video that I didn't actually personally.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
That's just how you roll.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
I just I trust, I trust people that I work with.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
I mean, you just use the connections you have. I mean,
most of the guests on our show or all people
we are just like direct. There's a direct connection somewhere.
And I think you're maybe our second guest in the
entire history where it was completely organic. Yeah. Yeah, and

(17:17):
I think or did you know Brian Leo, Brian Reuda,
is he friend of yours? No?

Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, no, oh, Brian Reuda, Yes he was the he
scored the music for Fast Forward, right, yes, okay, so
you so then it was kind of organic.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
So if it's not, then it's not him. You're a
very first like person, and I've reached out, like.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Not through someone truly organic. Ny Sepomb the water lapped
up on the ocean of possibility and sea foam was.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Over perfect. I heard I Heard a take a Dive
on the Top ten Shoes joke episode of Harmontown, which
is probably one of the funniest episodes of that show.
And I was like, I'm digging this song and I
was like looking into it and I was like, this
is it was. I listened to it for like a
week straight. I mean other things, but I mean I

(18:12):
threw it on my playlist and I was like, I
gotta look into this artist. And I was like, Si,
you're an animator. You're just like totally in nearly every
aspect of the music industry. I'm like, I need to
see if we can get her on the show. And
I sent you that email fully expecting to be like, no,
I don't have time, and then you're like yes, I'm
like oh no.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I'm sorry, yeah, no, uh being on because I think
they played a few of my songs over the years
on Harmontown.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Pretty cool, very cool.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I mean, look, because I would just I would just
bug Jeff like, hey, Jeff, could you play because he's
just playing whatever, you know, so I'm like he might
as well.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
He's a great music supervisor in general. He's always got
great stuff going.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Oh yeah, it's very talented, and he's a great carry.
Yeah no, uh, And I would go to the shows
a lot too. I ended up for a while Spencer
was my roommate, not till not that long ago I

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moved out and moved in with my boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Hell yeah really.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I met him because I just
I needed a roommate and I met him through because
I I knew. So the first time I knew first
was Harmon and Tribe and Jeff Davis and then Spencer.
You know, after I actually went to the very first
Harmon Town that was not recorded. It was just Harmon
alone in the back room of Meltdown.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
What a show. It's like modernty, like Homer or Plato,
just stay inding on a box, shouting his thoughts.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
And you're like, this is like a soliloquy from a
Macbeth soliloquy Shakespearean and.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
This like I've already had.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I read that the pilot of Brick and Morning.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Damn, yes, yeah no, and I uh, okay, so this
is what was funny about although you know he's been
canceled or whatever, but justin he was very aware that
I was obsessed with sea foam, and so there are
a few things in the show, especially in the pilot,
that are sea foam. But the girl that he's in
love with, Jessica's things on her. And then I think

(21:00):
I tried colling something else. You phone was like, no
more seapham. So then when I colored the portals, I
made them purple, and then he was like they should
be green. Like I stayed away from green because you
told me.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
To stay away.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
You did what you were He was like, they were
expecting you to make a green Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
So originally in my backgrounds they were purple, but colored
a lot of the like I guess, yeah, a lot
of the main backgrounds that ended up in all of them,
like you know Rick and Morty's house and the school.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Aliens in there in yeah, yeah, anytime.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
On purpose, that's but then I yeah, I left the
show to go be on Mickey Mouse short.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah okay, So then the like the eight minute shorts
right that were on Disney Plus.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
They were like five minutes, the earlier ones.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Because the.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Two Emmys. That's awesome. Yeah, those are yeah, no, it's
so funny. I remember like watching the Mickey Mouse cartoons.
I was a kid, and then like we got Disney
Plus because we forget we wanted to watch but like
my son was like, I want to watch Mickey Mouse.
So I put those on and there's some horribly disgusting
like the hot Dog one with Betty White and oh.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I drew a lot of those ones, a lot,
a lot of little like jokes were like you know where, uh,
just the tip of someone's tongue will be on a
hot dog.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
So it's so gross. They're so it's so funny, so
very real to the food industry.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Or I drew a lot of those. The hot dog
all beaten up with a bonnet would be a baby
and kissing Mickey Like.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
That's all my favorite episodes. I think the Abominable Snowman one,
the That's Hilarious episode. They're so gross, there's so so
like I think that's why I like them so much.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I think I did the big belchie that where
Mickey's holding a giant one of those beers.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Sins, yeah, stins, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It was like a cant I saw.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I like every time I put that on, I'd be like,
that'd be the part like this. So girls like my
wife is like, what what are you watching? I go,
it's Mickey Mouse and she's like, she's thirty years old.
I go, it's Mickey Mouse. So even more Now, did
you have a part in designing the ride the Runaway Railway?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (23:23):
So the only part because I had moved on and
I was at a different studio at the time when
they were were he on the ride? But the part
I did I found out after the fact because someone
like tagged me in a video of what is the
head of Disney?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Uh not iSER not IGERI.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah, yeah, Bob Iger.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
There was like a video of him doing a big
reveal at d twenty three. They're like Disney Convention whatever,
and they're like, we're announcing the first ever Mickey Mouse ride,
and then like the giant drawing behind him is my drawing,
And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Millions, which no one will millions?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
You sign away your soul when you're a Disney artist.
I mean that's like every company though you signed saying
that whatever you draw becomes.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
On the clock or whatever you draw whenever you draw.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's a good question. I think, well, I think whatever
you draw company time and companyment. But yeah, like it
was like a drawing I just did for fun, as
like a what I envisioned a little promo art that
I would post on Instagram later on. But that that, like,

(24:38):
I guess the imagineers got access to the server and
they just went through all the images and.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Do you have a copy of that that image?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I mean it was digital, so I have a
digital copy photoshow. Yeah, it felt pretty cool. I will
say it felt cool, but you know, kind of lackluster
because it's like, well, no one will ever know on
this side.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Tell this is how you get your message.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
And then I feel very like like, oh, like me,
you know.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
This is the clip of the show that we're going
to use. Are going to be like, no, this is
how we blow it up.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Because adult Disney kids, that's like a whole the Like,
if you think you're obsessed with seaphone, just what we
want to need an adult ourselves with that crowdly.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean, no, I shouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I will say it's a good ride.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Have you been on the ride I went for my
birthday that like we don't need to go into that.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
We should go into details every little minute for my birthday.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
And uh, there's just my buddy and I were just
like going to go have a day and he he
had to leave part way through the day because the
warehouse he worked and had a water main burst.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Terrible birthday, so I.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Had, you know what it was, I'm very I was frustrated.
But at the same time, I did single rider everything.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I have one friend and he abandons me on my
birthday at Disney did but yeah, yeah, single writer, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
But it was I got to go on and it
was so funny because like I didn't know what this was.
I'm just like, I'm just gonna go on some ride.
And I went on and I'm just this dude, like
surrounded by children and families, and I'm like, this is weird.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
They call it out too, when you ride, they call
it out. They're like, shingle rider, we got a single
rider here in this space, and you're like, shot, can
you be more quiet? Dude and just trying to it's
my birthday. It's Shingle Rider. I got the.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Button and I'm like, it's It was fine, and then
I went on and I'm sitting next to like this dad.
It was with his kids, and he's like, I don't
like this guy being on here. I'm like, I don't
like that I'm sitting.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Next to you either. Man. I'm always dubious of a
single writer, white dude. And in the movie theaters.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Hey, man, I just it was my birthday.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I think people with kids are very suspicious of people
that go to Disney and without kids.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
And they should I have two, I'd be like, no,
I mean, take go to a movie by yourself. Go
do something by yourself. But I didn't know that the
ride was trackless, so as it's going along, I'm like,
where's the what's happening? And then the thing blew apart
and everything separated.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
And I was like, thanks, Kurt, I ruined the runaway
at the end of Gladiator. Basically, what you just did.
Is it Disneyland or is it California Advance? Did Disneyland tune? Oh?
Did they replace Roger Rabbits?

Speaker 1 (27:35):
No, it's right next to.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
It, Okay. I got kind of scared because they tend
to do that. They'll be like, here's our most beloved
ride and we're going to replace it with Marvels or
Avengers or whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Man I went on. They did the same thing with
Rise of the Resistance, and it was the same type
of ride, And I have a storytelling issue with that
ride is like the.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Premise with like the splitting from screens to physical animatronics,
them back to screens, spinning you around.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Stuff kind of well like things that happened in the
ride given the context of why you're there, because like
you're travelers and then you get abducted by the First
Order and then they force you into a prison and
then the Rebellion is like we're gonna save you, and
we're like why because we're not in the rebellion. We're
just random people. Like they're not gonna kill us, right,

(28:23):
We're just people.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
There was there was like a spy among among you guys.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Not that I thought that was in the Star what
replaced Star Tours.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I think they copy the same idea I think in
the I think that's why they justify it. It's the
same reason, like always.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Have so there's a part in the ride when you're
like being you know, your car's been hijacked by the
rebellion and you're like being taken away and you look
out the window, which windows on a spaceship is like
a screen door on a submarine. It's not good. There's
so much radiation getting in, but you're looking out and
like a transport ship, which not I'm not a huge

(28:59):
star war, but when I was a kid, I knew
enough about this. It hauls like prisoners of war, hauls
like a soldiers or whatever. There's like thousands of people
and it's outside of the ship and it gets blown up,
and I'm like that storytelling is terrible. They they were
just thousands of lives for eight randos and we're just

(29:20):
like we're not worth it. They should let us die.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Those are going to spend money at the gift store
after the riot, I guess.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I mean, it's just I was like, its just lazy writing.
It just is after the Last Jedi where they were
like somehow Palpatune survived the all time, they just didn't
think about it. I don't know. I'm like that was
officially a pyrrhic victory. That's a war crime. It's not okay,
you killed that. You let thousands of people die for

(29:48):
eight people. Not worth it, not worth it, Just kill us.
And then yeah, it was it was cool. It was
cool because nothing's on a track. But yeah, I don't
know mortal every birthday is that.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
It was you. You sound like a Disney adult.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
I that trip shook me out of that.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It had a lot of fun, my dad.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
It was the first time I'd been in over ten years,
and like I was like, I kind of not that
I grew up going it, but I went a lot
when I was younger, back when my passes were cheaper,
and I went, and I'm like, I don't need to
go for another ten years. Like I'm I'll go to
downtown Disney for a pizza or something.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Did you guys ever do the annual annual pass?

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, Kelly, Yeah, Well back when it was cheap, yeah, right, but.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
There was an incentive to go.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
But then I get yeah, then when I was working
at Disney, you get the pass. But the pass used
to be a lot better. From my friends who work
at Disney currently, they're like there's so many blockout dates.
It's like basically, you know, it's not as not what
it used to be.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
And it's falling apart. Yeah, the park is the rides
are just falling apart, are they really? Yeah, they're always
breaking down. Animatronics are going rogue and stabbing people. I
was escorted off of rides like three times and I
was there.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Well that's because you yourself.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, because they kept breaking down. We shouldn't have let
you on.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
You're making everyone uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I'm surprised they don't like shut down the park more
for renovation. Uh, they almost never shut down the park.
I think the pandemic was like the only time, and
I'm surprised they didn't fix things more during that time period.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Like that was like Bob Chapek was in charge, and
he was like, we need to maximize profit, and they
they cut costs everywhere they I mean just it was
everything was just falling in disrepair.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
And you can tell Disney Disneyland has gone the way
of Boeing airplanes.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Dude, they did. I mean, this is late stage capitalism.
This is the political part of this is the.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Late stage baby.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
It is, though. I just we want Disney to get better.
People as a group just need to stop. Just let
it suffer until it's like, but it's never gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Tell that talking.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
About this, Oh yeah, I don't need to say it.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I was gonna say tell that to all the Japanese tourists,
but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
See like the Chinese tourists China their own Disneyland and
it's cheap.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Please stick to our loyalties. Leo show will not be
aired in China, this one specifically. Yeah, oh talking about
Winnie the Pooh and we there anyway, I.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Will say the yeah, late stage capitalism. I was thinking
about that because I was thinking about how okay, so
when you think of fashion, you can like it was.
It was a joke with my boyfriend the other day
because he was like, what if I came home with
like big wide like jeans, like Junco jeans and like
fro zips. Like but if you think about it, it's

(32:55):
kind of scary to think about. But in the last
twenty years, if not even the last thirty years, but
specifically the last twenty years, fashion has kind of been
at a standstill. Yep, because basically all the fashion houses
used to all be driven by artists and you know,
people that just were coming up with crazy ideas and
now they're all run by corporations and it's all run

(33:15):
by capitalism, and it's just maximizing profits. So it's like,
what will people buy. They'll buy the same thing they've
always bought. So if you think about like say like
you're doing a movie where you know someone's transported to
different decades, you could clearly define someone from the twenties,
the thirties, the forties, fifties, sixty eight, ninety two, thousands,
and then after.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
That, wow wow, yeah, really it just kind of stops.
You know who we need to look to. We need
to look at the regional managers of hot topics because
they are the upper echelons of fashion.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I mean, honestly, at this point, sure anybody that's guy
that can break through like and if. And then also
on top of that, the Internet has homogenized all of culture. Yeah,
so you know there used to be subgroups of like
you know, like this is what people would dress like
in Portland, organ or this is what people would dress
like in West Africa or whatever. As the fuck uh,

(34:08):
But now all of it's online and we all look
at TikTok, and we all look at Instagram. We can
all see what everyone's doing in a trend is like
instantaneously starts instantaneously, and.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
It's a neutral life. It's in a sense too yeah
no so, but it's like.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
It's so it's fashion, it's airplanes, it's disneyl it's everything
is subpar and all about maximizing profit and even our lives,
because now they're saying that people are there's an all
time high of people being homeless even though they have
well paying jobs. So there could be someone getting sixty
thousand a year and not be able to afford housing whatsoever,

(34:48):
which is the first time in history sort of situation.
And it's because you know, it's like just to exist
as a human being, it's like, well, you have to
be a human being that has a job, but you
also have to be online. You have to sell yourself
and you're a product and you're a brand and you're
in you know, you have to hustle. Everything's a hustle.
You gotta have a side hustle. Your whole life is
side hustles. Like everything's about making money and money is

(35:10):
life and that's all that's important. And it's like they
like they've they've pulled the bags of our heads. We
all are like buying into the idea and we all
have little phones that are made by child slave labor. Yeah,
and we're all and you know, and that like that's
also why like John Stewart like quit his like Apple show.
He's like, well, if I can't criticize China, then what's

(35:31):
the point of this show?

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Like if I can't a good point.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Say whatever I want to say. But that's that's what
I'm saying. It's all about capitalism. It's all about that money.
So it's like you can't even say what you want
to say. So they say, we have freedom of speech,
but we don't. Really.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I get so frustrated when you can when we critique
capitalism like this, and people that are like raw raw
Hurrah capitalism, they're like, well, if you don't like it,
why don't you just leave it. It's like you can't
unplug yourself from the matrix. You just like and just
like even folks that are on housed and living on
the streets there still participating in the nightmare of late
stage capitalism because they can't get out of the system because.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
There's nowhere that isn't uh, you know, there's only so
much public property, like where they.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Are a third space.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
I just learned, like preventing people from like having farms
in a city, like public gardens where you can get food.
You know, you want to go buy a plot of
land somewhere cheap and put houses on it.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well, there's.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah waters.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
If you drive through it, there's just nothing. It's because
a lot of the water was rerouted to the biggest cities.
Like a lot of people don't know this. I don't
know if you've seen the kin Burns documentary the National Parks,
but like Yosemite used to have a giant reservoir of
water and they drained it to redirect it to San
Francisco because otherwise San Francisco would have fallen.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Apart to the to the water fountain in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, it's the same thing in La where like there
was some other town that like completely fell apart because
they re routed the one little stream that they had
to the La River.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
A lot of our stems are predicated on decisions that
were made way before our time, and we're dealing with
the consequences. Like up here in Oregon, we're dealing with
the loss of salmon in our rivers, right, and the
biggest reason why, and it feeds billions of people all
over the world, like in Asia, in America, like there's

(37:21):
a huge industry of salmon. And the reason it's one
of the many reasons it has like declined so much
is because of all the hydro electric dams that were
built in the early nineteen hundreds, which I think was
Woody go three. Woody Guthrie did a bunch of songs.
He got paid by the American government to write songs
that were like, pro let's build hydro electric dams. Like

(37:42):
so he has a song about the COOLi Dam and
all this. But if you were to remove those dams,
you displaced millions of people and farmers that live along
the Columbia River basin. So like thinking outside of like
capitalism is almost impossible to do because you're just like, well, well,
if we were to do something about it, to actually
fix it, we'd have this other problem, like well, we're

(38:03):
just gonna flood all this. It's wild fun times.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
But it's the bottom line is profit. Like my my
favorite example is diapers, because I'm by diapers all the time. No,
I have a one year old and a four year old,
and it's like we have seen my wife and I
in the last couple of years, the price of diapers
has risen, but the amount in a box is less,
and that's because yeah, well there's no there's no social

(38:31):
aspect to it, like with socialists. Yeah, kind of where
these the companies that make diapers and baby clothes and whatnot.
Millennials aren't having kids like the boomers were, so they
just had years and years and years of growth and
now no one's having The amount of babies is a
drop off, so that means a loss in profits. But
they're like, well, wait, we don't want to see it
drop in profits.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
It's like, yeah, but people aren't having kids, like yeah,
but we still got to keep our numbers up. So
they're like, we need to have let's just raise the
price and lower them on a diapers and we bear
the cost of that because they can't stand to see
a drop in profit. But then you inject a social
aspect to it, and it's just the company being like, yeah,
that's what happens. It comes and goes like let's make

(39:13):
it easier on the average consumer. But then it's a
negative feedback loop in multiple areas where it's like, oh,
Now one of the reasons you don't have kids is
because the cost of diapers and things you needs rising.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And then on top of that, monopolies because you know,
the anti trust law, they just let it lapse and
no one's going to do anything about it. And our
whole sign is going to class because every company is
going to become one company.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
They were saying that was the only like the thing
that the prices of food down is that there would
be competition. No, there's no competition, So food can we want?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah. All the arguments against socialism are things that are
currently happening under capitalism. Like, no, you're describing capitalism.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Socialism isn't good.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Either, it's bad, but it's not it's not like it's
not a black and white definition, right, Like we don't
have to adopt the type of socialism that's in Venezuela,
which look how that's working.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
But likes are That's.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
The thing with the United States is like we have
the power to like modify these political systems, and but
we're so afraid of the textbook definition of each of
these things that it's like, well, we don't want to
touch it, Like why can't we incorporate some social aspects,
how come on a local level.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
That's why I mean, historically it's proven that our best
time period was after the Depression because of all the
social uh you know, movements that got started to like
employ people that were unemployed, and then obviously war but
you know whatever, we don't.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Write that, but like that's an always on thing, like.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Social security we got because of the Depression, Like so
many good things came out of that, and so I
feel like we're probably going to have to have another
US before we get all the good things again.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Have we had enough in the last fifteen.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Years, But I mean like it's gonna have to do worse. Apparently,
I have you guys Star Trek.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Fans not not to I can't name it.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
We didn't answer no. I mean, yeah, that's we didn't
answer the christ.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So there's an episode of Star Trek Deep Space nine
where they go into the future and it's like now,
like it's exactly this date, like augustly yeah, and it's
like it's then walking through like homeless encampments. It's like
this is where what it's like everywhere It's like, oh god,
this go on? Like whoa, this is like terrifying, like

(41:39):
they like predicted it exactly and that that was what
needed it to break society to you know, be like
you can't probably won't.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I mean, what's it's so easy to be like just
burn it down, just no revolutions, start everything, like burn
the house down. But it's like, man, there's kids of
it in that house, Like how everyone.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Stops having kids and we don't have to worry about ice.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Or just raise your hand and then there's only one
diaper in the package and it's for me because I've
made poopy because I don't know if I'm going to
be able to pay my mortgage.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yeah, how's depends handling the session?

Speaker 2 (42:21):
You asked me if I shipped my pants? Did you
ship your pants?

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Depends a mile of millions?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
You not responding like leaving it high five hanging.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, that would have. I would have shut my camera
off and cried.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
This got so uh, this, this conversation got so intense.
But you know, the thing is, I participate in capitalism.
I sell my little art drawings and I sell my
little animations and my music so that I don't starve
to death.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
But you're not a corporation, Like you know what I
mean like, it's okay to run a business. It's okay
to be a landlord if you if it's property you
own and aren't doing it through a corporation.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
The integrity of capitalism is in entrepreneurs and small businesses
like you.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
That's yes, it functions better on a on a small scale,
and we just have it flipped.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Social stuff works largely better on a larger scale because
it's a more general approach and you you create community
within the ability to sell directly to folks like that
small scale. I'm a music degree. What were we talking about?

Speaker 1 (43:49):
You know, I know you're yeah, you're right, like, uh that.
I think that's why I love the indie music scene
so much, because it's just like a lot of people
supporting each other. Like my first album that you mentioned earlier,
Outlaw Engineer Pampioneer, that was recorded by my friend Tommy
Meehan who is now a member of Guara.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, what's his stage name on Oh my God?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Tommy, Oh God, I gotta google and.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
He's not going to listen to this, he doesn't have time.
Squab Oh yeah, that's his other band, squid Pissing. Uh
he is, Yeah, he's also cancer christ.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Oh Grodius Maximus.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Say that, but I didn't want to be wrong. Uh.
So we recorded that first album in his kitchen at
his old apartment, uh in Silver Lake, and it was
just him and me, like we did the whole thing
for the most part. I think Rob Shrabs sings on
a song, and then what Mike Chilean plays accordion on

(45:04):
two songs? Zipco maybe plays so Mike Chilean zaxcept cover
from uh the Manx, which is Tommy's other band that
I also played with.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Uh. He toured with them, right, yeah, I would like.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Open for them a little bit.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Never went on like a full on tour, but I
was on their EP storms Crashing our Vessel or something
like that, and I had them do a cover of
a country song from the Andy Griffiths Show I really liked,
and I was like, I don't know, but around that time,
I was like when I recorded with Tommy and his kitchen,

(45:40):
I was like, I don't want to record now, and
he's like, oh, I can record now, And that's how
he talks.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
It's very nice. Pre Grodius Maximus years.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, but uh he was always to
be a huge musician because he's just like he can
play any instrument. He's just a genius and he's so
kind and sweet and just amazing. And my so, my
band Kali Kazoo or Me I Guess is on his
record label, Sweat Band Records.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
If you want to look up Sweat Band Records, we're.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Like the only one on there. I think that's like
we're the most soft bands there.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
It's I mean there's a lot of sea foam.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
So.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Else he's got good taste.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah, it's so funny. There's like squid Pisser and like
what the hell else we got here? Arc Tangent Fest,
Cancer Christ and then.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Zo oh DJ Petit Sack No embryonic petit.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Sack, embryonic petite sack, Bodies, Deaf Club, Hurt Talks. Yeah,
and then where's where are you?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Probably bottom?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Oh yeah, you're like no, quite at the bottom?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Good?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Right next to Honda Days.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
You know, that's the beauty of Indian music because Honda
Days Honda Holidays are coming up.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
I celebrate Toyota Than.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
I'm sorry we got to mention they're trying to take
Toyota Than out of the holiday. Oh, they're coming they're
coming for it. That's such a full album. That is
true bedroom pop like you just did, or I guess
kitchen pop, like it's such a full it's so flabate.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Oh thank you, that's kitchen pop.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Kitchen pop, I mean described what kitchen pop is.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Did she literally just say.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Reed in his kitchen, but also were all recorded in
his little tiny, like got closet. That felt like, you know,
if you were claustrophobic, that would be your nightmare.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I was trying to find Grotius Maximus and like Sweat was,
I was doing research. So I missed the whole kitchen
pop conversation.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I didn't miss didn't miss much. But yeah, no, uh
my last album I think is the thing I'm most
proud of. So I think I got distracted because we
got distracted by I was describing the art on the
third album. But the third alm, I'm gonna go back
to the stop from like thirty minutes ago ago. Yeah,
bleed darker and deeper than the season hell, I would say.
So that was my first album that I did with

(48:25):
producer Toshi Kasi. I would call that the closest thing
I have to like a band album because most of
the songs like kind of came to fruition with my
band and we were playing them live. Whereas my last album,
most of that was just songs that I like wrote
in my room and then I later got musicians at
the last second to like write something to this quick.

(48:46):
We're gonna record it tomorrow, you know. So like it's
a lot different.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
It's so good. They're both so good. I was. I
put them on. My son likes it on my oldest Yeah,
I don't know how the one ye feels. He doesn't
give unicate that well. But like we're driving out to
get lunch with with my mom today and I.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Just like perfect me.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah, no it was I mean the old spaghetti factory.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
But we put on spaghetti factory music.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
That that's my new.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Said, you should play a local old spaghetti factory.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
The Thrust special do they still have?

Speaker 3 (49:24):
That's their that's their thing, that's their number one.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Ever been there old spaghetti fact. We have one in Portland,
So if you guys want to come.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I'm Mentalian, so I'm very critical.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
Yeah, it's not not.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
If you remove all expectations, you'll.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
It's just like the old world.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Okay, So you were with your mother and your child.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Well, I know, we're driving over in the car and
he was like he's he's four, so he like he
was like Bob in his head like he's dancing and
he he comes along and along the stuff. That's okay,
totally digging it. And I have to be like you
like this, Oliver, and he like like, take that thumb
out your mouth. You're getting the bridge and braces. Uh well, no.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
We did.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
We did have my so my boyfriend's nephew was running
around my album released. He was the only child present
and uh we we like he showed him at some point,
he showed him how to use we had a balloon
machine where we'd been blowing up ballooms. He showed him
how to use the machine. So right in the middle
of like a quiet part where I was like saying
thanks to everybody who came to the show, I just

(50:32):
I'm just But other than that, I think he enjoyed
the music. But he's just run around popping balloons.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
They're so fun there.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Because he would be like he would do that thing
where he wouldn't tie and he'd be like I want
to see it go. I'm like, okay, they're good because
he's like five.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
It's always good.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Also, here's the weird thing about my first music video
with Jeff Davis.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
And all that.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
The cameraman is Nate Cornette and he's like a like
a camera person who's done a lot of stuff like
jury duty and things like that, which is Harmon's you
know girlfriend slash fiances. Cody Heller did uh oh yeah,
so this's whatever anyway. But I was gonna say, uh,

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my boyfriend is his brother, but I never met him
because I told you guys this before the show. But
he lived in Taipei for a while, so I was like, oh,
you're like when I met him on the dating app,
I was like, your brother shot my first music video.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
Wow, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I was like, And the rest is history.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Random connection.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
So produced uh, Darker and Deeper and.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
The new one along lived the Loser and he's the
longtime Melvin like producer.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah, and he's got a like he's got a big pedigree,
like a wide different context. He did he do the
Dave Matthews did it yeah record album okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, because he was a like a sound He's from Japan,
but he moved over to the US. I think in
the late nineties, so I think he was like a
sound engineer and then opened his own studio with the
Melvins Sound of Sirens Studios. But he's amazing. He's like,
it's funny too because he's gotten because of working with
the Melvins and other like heavier bands. So many metal

(52:34):
bands hit him up and so he does a ton
of metal. But like he's like, oh, don't tell anyone,
I guess I am. He's like like this is like
what I prefer, like, you know, more poppy, like like
Queen is like his favorite band.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
So you know, nobody listens to this podcast. You're your
secret is safe with us.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
You're You're fine, You're good unless you promote it, which yeah,
if you want, no.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Shout out to show he's amazing.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Definitely look at his music. What was it a big business?
He was a guitarist in that.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
The production on your last album is very it's sheeny
and poppy and crunchy and very sea foamy. But it
also is like it's got some like texture tentacles on it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Oh yeah, I definitely I had I had a little
more time to work on that album compared to the
one before it the one before. I think we recorded
it in such a short amount of time because I
I the third album was paid for by a kickstarter
and so I think I had like a week. It
wasn't a lot of time to recordable, whereas album a

(53:44):
couple couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, And actually you know little known fact because I
haven't really talked about it, but I actually recorded a
bunch of other songs alongside along with the Loser, and
I have yet to like finish them with him, but
I figured that would be like a separate album, maybe acoustic.
It might change, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah, you got the exclusive here, folks all how many
people were watching on twitch? I got one and it's me.
Yeah we got we got advertise twitch.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Uh yeah, Well I'm I hope you heard me, Kurt.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
There's a delay.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
It'll come through.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
But yeah, I know, like I definitely, I will say,
I gotta start. I'm trying to start to play more shows.
I don't particularly have an actual band at the moment.
I did just do this show a couple of weeks
ago at Open the Portal in downtown LA. It was
more like a friend's birthday, but it was also a show,

(54:54):
but I played.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
It was a I thought it was like your birthday
that you're playing. No, it was my friend's Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I was like, I called him earlier today, He's like, yeah,
she had a birthday party. I really wanted to go,
and I'm pretty sure she played at it. So was
just to clarify for me it was not your birthday.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
No, it was this amazing stop motion sculptor animator guy
Eric Oxford's birthday. And he like traditionally always blows up
his head at the end, but he just blew up
a giant skull instead.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
But anyway, I got Eric Oxford.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I played with these two talented musicians, this amazing composer
McKenzie Stubert and then this harpist Jackie Erlik. So I
was accompanied with harp and accordion and I was playing
like distorted guitar, and I was like, this is fun.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I'm like kind of like branching out into like I'm
just gonna play with weird combos of musicians.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
That's the that's the beauty of your music though, because
and I wanted to make this comparison earlier we were
talking about your earlier albums too, like your more band
centric albums, your songs stand alone on their own, like
just with you and a guitar, so like you have
in a band, it's great. It like compliments and and
it's beautiful. That's production. But then you can strip all
that stuff away and just have these beautiful songs, very

(56:14):
neutral Milk Hotel of you. The performance that you just
did with like an accordion. You need a saw, a
saw player.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Oh yeah, I have a long time ago. I did
play with someone who had a saw that was really
freaking cool. Uh yeah, I love Neutram Hotel. That is
like a huge influence on me. So oh, thank you
for the comparison. I'm definitely like I feel like a
lot of times when I say things, I'm inspired, like

(56:44):
people can't actually hear it in the music. But I
would say like a lot of Nutrimo Hotel, a lot
of Bob Dylan, b York.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Divo Diva for sure, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Juanna Newsome, Evening Heads a little bit and the Heads
Yeah Fleetwood, I guess Fleewood Mac but no Fleet Foxes
and like uh Beatles, I would love to I I
will say this was really funny. So Tommy, who were
talking about earlier. He recently, I guess recently his significant

(57:24):
other like showed him Beatles for the first time and
he was like, this sounds a lot like your music.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Do you know the compliments that it.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Greatly inspired them. They're heavily influenced by me.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Just like that, that's my music transcends.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
I was like, well, now you found me out. There's
a bunch of Beatles, chords and stuff. I would say, Yeah,
my music is heavy, heavy influence of all the things
I mentioned, but also video game music and beatles like
schords I learned from video learning video games song.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
You could take a lot of your music off your
most recent album, Long Live the Loser and and just
just instrumental and it could be video game music. I
mean instrumental to but like vocals you can throw, but
it could be video game music.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I would love to do. Yeah, if any video game
people watch this, creatively be a.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Cool video game character you like navigate different parts of La.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Oh yeah, indie indie musician like you start at the
You started the smell in LA and like two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I worked at the Smell when I was a teenager.
Did you really I worked the door?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I would stand.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
That is a legendary but atrocious venue.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Oh yeah, I mean there was always like dead rats.
I remember so I think I was. I had a
band in it was like the time between high school
and college or first year of college. Jim Smith, who
owns the Smell, I had a band with this guy,
Joseph Goosty. I don't I don't remember I met him

(59:09):
at the Smell, but anyway, we were the first people
he entrusted keys and we got to practice in the
smell during the day time because we didn't have a
practice smell, and it smelled even worse during the day
and you'd have to move the dumpster out of the
way to get to the gate to open it, and
there would always be human excrement in front.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Of the feature.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
It's in a video game. That's that's your starting level.
And then you get like, oh hey, we got sound
panels and like acoustic treatment.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
We literally would get like old newspaper out of dumpster
to like lift the poop.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It wouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
That's fun. That's how Jim locked the door extra It's
like I don't want to break.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
It in poop everywhere. I mean, it is skid row
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Emphasis on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
The small of LA is a skid row.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I used to work as Warner Music Group and like
that was uh no, their LA office in the old
Ford factory. So I worked. I worked for Warner Chapel
in their legal office. And that's a whole I don't
talk about it, that's the whole thing. But like I
take the train up two days a week, and then
you'd get on the shuttle and it was like just

(01:00:32):
down past every terrible place in the arts district and
then you're at this building and they have like former
Secret Service are like patrolling the entire outside of the building.
It was crazy, but it was just such so odd
to see that disparity between like they you know, they
were turning the Nibisco, the old Nabisco factory into like

(01:00:54):
luxury apartments.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
It's a very bizarre.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Clown world we live.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
There's my my my band up here in Portland. My
bassis is my one of my best friends. His name
is Jay. He's Cajun. He grew up in Louisiana and
New Orleans and he was he survived through Hurricane Katrina,
that's what. And he has a theory on like this
is after we've imbibed on the sea foam colored erbels.

(01:01:23):
So there's definitely Callie Cushu the name that's the sequel
to Long Live the Loser Callie Cushou. And then you
have wins Khalifa. Do I like guest appearance on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
It, anyone who has Cali and their name? I okay,
continue here Callie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
We're high and uh So the theory is like city
those that want to uh you know, run the city,
that are running the city, they allow the city to
just devolve into this like hellscape of like like the
Star Trek Deep Space nine episode. And then when things
are so bad and the property prices have dropped so

(01:02:09):
low that they come up and they buy everything because
he said that's what they did New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
And not that I agree with it. I think it's
a very fun thought. Not fun but a fuck you
know s. I don't agree with it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I think it's fun, just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Capitalist it is, you know, I will Okay, So I
was thinking about this. I keep bringing up talking, but
I have so many good stories with Tommy, like, uh,
you said that you worked at Warner and Music Group,
so they used to be Warner Music used to be
in Burbank and we worked in that same building before
they moved h to downtown LA. And uh because we

(01:02:48):
were working on Looney Tunes. So Tommy meh and uh.
He's like done a lot of uh scores for shows
and stuff like that, but he was in between that
kind of stuff. So he was editing on Looney Tune's cartoons,
was the character designer. And we were just like hanging
out outside, going on a walk, and we had our
For whatever reason, because we're in the Warner Brothers Music building,

(01:03:08):
they gave us a Warner Brothers Music badge instead of
an animation badge. There were these kids. They came up
to us and they're like, hey, we're like a band
and we drove across the country and we're trying to like,
you know, connect and we're like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
That sucks, man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
And so they like gave us their dead and we're
like no, we're oh okay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
They were the Beatles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
It was the Beatles. It was tom Petty and I
signed him on the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I don't even remember. I remember Tommy. Yeah, it was
a super group. They were just like they were younger
than us and they thought that we looked important.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Like we could tell you're new here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
But Tommy humored them because he's like, oh yeah, I'll
check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
That's really sweet of him. That's super because you usually
get laughed out or escorted out of the building in
well cases.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
It's funny because you're like you just give them false
hope and they're like, oh, that guy said check them out.
And then it's like now they're like that motherfucker's in guar.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Now what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
You know what Norman Isn't he stole our songs?

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Our band name is Grotius Maximus are on stage.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Penis that ejaculates blood was our idea. That was always
always gar I would love to go to California with Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
No, it's very I mean it's I guess it makes
it like they don't know what did they know? They
just look up Plainwortho.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
University. It's like, if you don't have a solid audience
that you're you're home, then you're not. You don't bother
coming to l A. Don't even even if you do
have a solid ice, don't do it. If you're good,
they'll find you. They're like they look.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I will say that's What sucks about having grown up
and you know, always playing in LA is that there's
a lot of talent out of here. It's very rough. Like, uh,
it's been interesting to see that musician who I only
became aware of, like whenever everyone else became aware of
a couple of months ago. Chapel roone Oh had been

(01:06:04):
plugging away for like ten years and been living in
la for years and even like last year, there's footage
of her singing her songs that she now plays like
hundreds of thousands of people playing it to like three
people in a park.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, like she oh fuck shot Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
She finally responded to those emails from the people who
will boost your Instagram Like that's all it took.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
That's it all it took.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Yeah, I mean all it took was that she got
whoever got like found out about her and had her
open for Olivia Rodrigo and other people that are big.
That was all it takes to just getting a bigger audience.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
I guess Olivia Rodrigo's producer produced The Rise and Fall.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Of a Midwest Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
And he had known about her in the past, and
then like she built like you were saying to the
point of like building up your own business and your
own audience and just working on your craft like she's
plugging away, like you said, for ten years. This is
my question for you because I'm at this point, like
I've been doing the music thing for fifteen twenty years
and I'm never gonna stop. It's just fun, it's good

(01:07:06):
for me, it's good for the soul. And uh, you're
you're you're so multifaceted and your like art output. What
is your relationship with music as far as like, is
it like an itchy you have to scratch? Is it? What?
What is your drive?

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Oh, it's definitely that's a good way to put it.
It is an itch I have to scratch because it's
like it's it's the best way to express myself other
than art. And sometimes I would say sometimes art is
a great way to express yourself in ways that you
can't verbally, and then obviously music is a way to
do that with words if you choose. But yeah, I

(01:07:49):
think it's like like a lot of pent up whatever
energy like feelings. I don't want to say ans because
it makes you sound like an eighteen year old, but
somewhat inks shouldn't just be for kids.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Yeah, not just forever tricks tricks.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, but I yeah, I grew up with parents who
were very They just liked really good music. So I
was always surrounded by really good music. So my dad
would play songs and play music to me, you know.
He introduced me to things that like Bob Dylan or

(01:08:31):
like punk music and stuff like that. So there was
you know, I was just getting access to a lot
of things that maybe some people wouldn't have access to
till they're older and found it themselves. So I was
lucky in that way where I was just encouraged to,
you know, be musical.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, drinking from the source.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Think I started writing songs and I was like when
I started learning guitars, so around like nine, nine years old. Wow,
and they were pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Hey, hey, now you don't know that you know? Are they?
Are they on that cassette tape player.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
That you're I have a cassette, So I don't have
all my cassettes. Some of them got lost just years
of moving and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
So long as they exist.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
I have an album, and I love the name. I've
always wanted to repurpose the name it was called. So
it was the album was named after the title track
on the tape cassette, which was Lonesomeness with a Suitcase.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
With a suit That's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
When I was loving. I knew nothing that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Is so deep and beautiful. You obviously knew the world.
You've experienced multiple.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
It is very is I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yeah, it sounds like a Prime song, yeah, John Prime
nineteen seventies, like unreleased album.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
It is very I mean you know it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
I am very glad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
I went through all those weird faces of weird music
because then I, I, you know, just to age myself.
Then in high school I had a new metal band.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Hell yeah, like you like first wave of new metal?
Like are you talking like like Corn and Biscuit? Are
you talking about like Lincoln Park?

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
What are we probably like Lincoln Park? Yeah yeah, But
it wasn't. It wasn't by choice. It was that was
what the people I met wanted to play. So that
was like, well, I want to be in the band.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Musical Journey I wrote, you got to pay your dudes
to sing the blues. Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
I wrote a song called hell A.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Called what hell Hella?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
It's so good la hell Hey. I like that I
broke you. I mean if that's not the most new
metal thing you've ever heard, then, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
What is I have. I am so addicted. I will
doom scroll new metal bands on Instagram for hours because
I am just have a deep love for them.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
La Oh, I didn't even tell you were band.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Oh no, it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Was definitely like of that time of like it's a
desperately seeking medical attention. So for sure, dsm A in
our other song titles freedom to Die. That was written
by the guitar.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Who was who was there on January sixth with a
title like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
That, though he actually ended up being the production manager
on The Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Well damn, So there you go. I learned a hell
a lot of the last Damn the hell that's so fire, Cali,
that's the most fire name. I wish I could seal it.
I'm gonna cover it. Do you have at Are these
songs available anywhere?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I hope not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
They should be. They should I think there used to
be a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Website way back when called MB three dot com. Yeah,
upload your music to it, so at some point it
was on the internet. Not anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I'm gonna lot wire of that stuff. There's the way
way back machine. They have this thing where you can. Oh, God,
try to find right. Oh and the MySpace server lost
all of our good music. You remember the MySpace dage
I had.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I had a MySpace music page for my country band,
which was the first time I ever used the moniker
KLi Kazoo. It was Cotton Katie and Kali Kazoo, which
was she was another cartoonist, uh that I met while
working with John k and all that we would do
country covers and that was a precursor to another country
band I had with Rob Shaub's wife, Kate Froynd, which

(01:12:59):
was called.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
The Get Back, The Get Back Gang. I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah. For a while, we were always opening for different
comedy and musician acts around LA, like Birthday Boys and
Tim Hideker and all sorts of stuff. But then we
just stopped. I think we stopped right before the pandemic,
and then the pandemic happened.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
A lot of things horrible.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Low of thing has changed through the pandemic for you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I mean I went from having a band to not
having a band.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Oh are you a solo act now?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
I mean I guess kind of like I said, like
I mentioned earlier, now I'm just playing with whoever I
will say my lead guitarist, Mike Adams, he moved away
during the pandemic, and that was like put the final
nail in the coffin. I lost my drummer to cancer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Christ Before before you said Christ, I was, I was
gonna be like, oh my god, I'm so sorry, said
I lost my drummer to cancer. Christ Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
Sweat Band Records.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
Yeah no, but uh uh I think it could still.
I like, I love love the drummer I got for
my last album. He is from this amazing band called
QUI like q u I if you want to look
them up. He is like a studio musician that always
works with Toshi and he is fucking amazing and so nice.

(01:14:25):
And I was like, would you ever consider like playing
with me? And he's like yeah, So like there's some
he did, like some live performances with me on my
my show, that Kali Kazoo show last year. But uh,
I do want to hit him up and be like, yeah,
come play drums, but I I do. Yeah, I don't
really have a band. I don't have a practice space
anymore and I don't really have a band, But I

(01:14:46):
could figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
You were able to figure it out before you could
figure it. You figured it out when you wrote LA
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
It's true.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Yeah, that's kind of genius. You can't you can't make
that up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
I mean I did, though I am. The only show
I definitely have on the books is coming up for
a while January twenty twenty five. Oh that hurts to
say that out loud. Twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Almost there, that hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Gonna be playing like a fun show, like a combo
show of the Cali Kazoos show, but then also a
live performance of my whatever iteration of my band I
come up with at that point. But it'll be me
presenting Ego Plum, who's this amazing composer and musician who
has his own band and all that in his own right.
We're gonna be talking about his music, and then he's

(01:15:41):
gonna be performing live with this band, and there's gonna
be marionettes. I don't know if you guys know about
the pump Baker Theater, but it's a marionette theater. It's
gonna be weird. But they've been opening it up to
having like shows there, like Ty Siegel's playing like an acoustic
show there next month. So I was like, I think
they're trying to go in that direction. So we're planning
this show and I was like, yeah, I want to

(01:16:02):
I want to do I want to do more shows,
and I want them to be weird.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
So Marionette, you're gonna get You're gonna get it. Yeah,
you're gonna you're gonna get the weirdness.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Well, I mean, you know, see, that's the thing. I
think I'm over the traditional idea of a band. Yeah,
Like I feel very b York in that sense, you know,
Like she was in like the Sugar Cubes and she
did the whole band thing and then she's like, I'll
just do whatever and play with whoever. And every time
you'd see her live, she'd like have an according player
and a drummer, or maybe she'd have an electronic drummer

(01:16:33):
and a basis whatever, like it just it didn't matter,
Like it's just it's about the songs and it doesn't
really about the songs. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
I think it takes the stress off of like needing
to tour too. It sounds like cause you're playing per
show and rehearsing per show, and it changes every time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
It is expensive, Yeah, everything's expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
Expensive. Yeah. Yeah, and you have the songs you have,
the great songs that could be with whatever iteration that
they're going to be in within the context of a
traditional band or if it's according player player, I'm not
I'm not blowing sea foam up anyone's volcano. Where does

(01:17:18):
the seafoam go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Into the into the void? As my friend who he's like,
what is that called, like a symbolism teacher or expert whatever.
Cali and Hinduism, that's where Calli comes from. She represents
the void, which is why she's typically painted black because
she's the nothingness. She's the potential of everything and anything

(01:17:41):
and nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
At the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
So Cali also, I will say, can I just say
if I do become you know, popular out in the world,
all the other Calis that have become famous, because there's
now a couple of them, none of them, none of
them have that on their birth certificate. They all adopted
that name. But my actual name is Kelly.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
It's not sure for anything, just straight up ll yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
And then you could sue them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
For yes, I mean, take them for all the wat was.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Your ticket there? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
This is it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
So we're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
We're going to dig up some well, we talked ship
on disney Land a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
I love Disneyland, though, can I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I love Disneyland? Yeah, yeah, I love Disneylandneyland, don't come
after it the House of Mouse, may it ever, may
it ever thrive.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
I'll do a collaboration with Disney I don't care. I'll
sell I'll sell my soul.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Yeah, I mean, if it existed, I would sell it
for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
What makes you think they'll buy it? Makes you think
they'll buy your soul?

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
They will. They're struggling right now market Disneyland is it
seems kind of janky right now? According so.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Be gone green? What's that green?

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
What it's called?

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Begne green?

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
It's the one where like when they want they want
people to notice something, they painted a certain shade of green.
It's almost sea foam, but it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
How dare you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Yeah? What the heck?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
That's that was their inspiration.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
I mean, but that's something sea foam is very of nature,
the sky, the ocean, peace, the sky.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Ever been seaphone?

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Can I try? I don't bring this morning come up
to Oregon, bro morning color blind? So like you?

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
So like you? You're just like picturing purple, and you're like,
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
You tell me, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Anyway, I mean my green shirt tonight, you're green, that
is purple avender. Yeah, I can see color. I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Now we're finding out that you're you know, I think
only men can beat color blind why chromosome?

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Honestly, they deserve because it's on the women are carriers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Okay, well it's not it was only men.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
No, if if like if I because my I was reading,
there's very specific circumstances. It's extremely rare. But women can
be color blind. Wow, but like it would have to
be like because my son's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Oh I just thought of an example. Historically if someone
that was color blind was a woman who helen color Okay,
shut up, wait no, she.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Was blind, motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Wait, So but do blind people see colors? I mean,
but like we don't know what. Maybe they see some
sort of there's different there's different levels of blindness, because
like I do know that like Ray Charles could see light.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Mm hmm, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
The world. Some sessions have what is it called synesthesia where.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
They they see colors.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Yeah, let's get Stevie Wonder on show.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Yeah, let's let's go. Let's be less ablest. Let me
try to be less.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
We probably could get him on. I'll just run into
him at NAM now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Stevie Wonder played in North Corona Community College RCC and
The Little It's True but bringing it back to Corona,
I didn't go, but my wife girlfriend at the time,
said she saw or no, never mind, it wasn't her.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
So you guys both have wives, do you? Guys often
say my wife oh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
All the time? Well no, because in order to keep
her from not being my wife, I need to stop
saying it, because yeah, she's like, please stop saying that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
Lena would never get that reverence. She'd be like, why
are you are you saying she's never seen more at?
Why are you saying that to me? I don't know, honey.
I guess it's not funny.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I guess it is dated too, but you know it's
coming back. There's a guy who's made his entire Instagram
platform and he just does borat and I'm like, wow,
like I was ten years too early and ten years
too late. I guess, Kurt, you met Ricky last week,
Ricky Garvey.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
I did Ricky Gary.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Ricky Garvey has a joke. I used to play in
a band with Ricky Garvey and he played at the
reunion show last week, and his joke was, He's like,
oh man, I love Borat, but do you know who
else really loves Borat?

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
You say it, I don't know who who else really
loves Borat?

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
My wife.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Wait, you haven't said, what is your band?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Oh? So, my old band is called Castle Pines and
we were a banned for ten ish years and we
released We just hit our ten year anniversary of one
of our albums called Summer Blood, and we played a
reunion show in Corona, California at Rock Fellas and it
was awesome and there was a lot of friends the big,
big old family reunion. Our drummer had gone through health problems.

(01:23:05):
He had whole sort of colitis. He almost died, he
had testings removed, YadA YadA. So I had to get sober.
I left, I stopped doing the band. I moved to Oregon,
got sober and didn't really do anything. Sort of another
band up here, but always kind of felt like we
uh didn't have like a cherry.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
On top of the n what's your band up there?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
The band up here? Is called Breezy Breezy the Bandezy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Oh that's why I saw that pop up on my
Instagram liking things.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Yeah, I was just I was creeping on you for
the last two days. I was like, blanket, Blanket.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
It's like when you see like someone discovers you and
it's just like this thing likes this thing like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
This well, and it was it was it was very
It wasn't dis ingenuous. I was like, I was like, oh,
I'm gonna check out Kelli Kazoo because we're going to
be interviewing. And then I would like went down the
rabbit of like you are an incredibly incredible musician, incredible songwriter,
but you are probably like one of the world class

(01:24:09):
animator and illustrator. Like it's so so good. I went,
I went deep down in there. I really liked some
of your more like quirky violent stuff, which I wanted
to say, some of your music lyrically and musically. I
love the juxtaposition of like really dark like themes with

(01:24:31):
like fun, happy music.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Oh yeah, I know that. I'm well, I'm glad that
you picked up on that, because that is that's kind
of the way I can sneak in those feelings like
don't be worried. I'm not gonna do something crazy. But
these are sometimes thoughts that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I yeah, which is so humanizing because I feel like
we all have those thoughts and we have someone like
someone put it into a song that's tangible and you
can like relate to it just like, oh, Okay, maybe
I'm not crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I was just actually reading a thing about We talked
about the void a little while ago, and this connects
to this, but apparently all humans have evolved to have
this thing, and they referred to it as the call
of the void. So say say you're up on a
bridge and you look over and for like a split second,
you want to, like you are you not want to,

(01:25:26):
but you have the image of it happening, and it's
to protect you from doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Yeah, this has come and come up on the show before,
like parents experience it with their babies where they're just
and yeah, it's your brain. It's testing your impulse control. Yeah,
actually want to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
It's like it's showing a possibility of like, oh, if
you fuck up, this is what will happen.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
It's like, what a cool thing to evolve, and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
A great thing to have and oh my god, just
knocking the microphones. It's a great thing to have in
the back of our brains, impulse control, because it's also
survival of the fittest, if you will, because if you
see like an influencer doing the same thing on the
end of the canyon, then they fall in her Splat
did that just happen? Happens often and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
I see those like videos sometimes on Instagram where like
you see like it's like security camera on the street
and a guy like grabs someone's phone out of their
hands and runs and then gets hit by a bus meetings.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Because they weren't looking, because they were trying to Like I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Hope it was wasting that impulse.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Very much, wasn't Is that an impulse I've got to
steal some guy's phone.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Run into traffic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
But thank you for noticing that in my music that
there is there is a darkness, which I I yeah,
like like that's even like the cover of the third
album is kind of like nodding. It's add to that,
like everything see film in pink and cuddly.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
But also yeah, some of my most I think some
of the most important works of like timeless works of
art in any medium play with like themes of human
emotion that are hard to talk about and when you
can put it in a way that's like easily digestible.

(01:27:44):
Bob Dylan was great. You mentioned Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan
was great at it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
The Beatles, Oh yeah, I'm a Loser. That was a
big influence on my album because, like along with.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
The listeners, yeah, because it's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I love that idea of the loser because there'd be
points in times, so like when I wrote the title
track song, there was actually a whole section of that
song that got edited out because we're just trying to
make the song more poppy or whatever. But that song
was like a very low point where I was just
upset at people that were you know, which is a

(01:28:19):
very human thing to do, like upset at like not
being as successful as someone else or things not going
well compared to someone else. So that's why it's like,
long live the Loser and her unhappiness, Death to the
Winner and his best friends. Yeah, it's just like that
sort of feeling of like feeling left out and also

(01:28:41):
being hurt, and then you know, seeing people online like
celebrating like and all of the online stuff whatever, people
are never as happy as they look, or maybe they are,
who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
That's that's the that's the curse of social media. Being
an influencer just sounds like a freaking nightmare.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
So that's why I was like, long live the loser,
Long live you who has nothing or feels like you
have nothing or nothing that is worth while? Like good,
good job to you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
I love I love writing about like the mundane. Like
I don't know. I can write music all day long,
I can write poems all day long. I can't put
the two together. I just can't figure it out really personally.
I just I there's a disconnect for me, and if
I try to add music to my poems or if
I try to write words to my music, it feels
disingenuous and false, like some reason I separate them. But

(01:29:32):
like I love writing poems. I think the best song
I've written, which I never released, but it's about going
to the DMV.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
Have you released if it's your best song.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
Oh I've heard this song. Yeah, yeah, I may stump
into it. I just want to send it out for mastering.
So I still take the lessons. And I got my
guitar teacher. He's he does mastering all sorts of stuff,
and so I was like, Hilarry, what do you think.
He goes, you still got to do this and this
and this. So with him, I'm in the prepar edding phase,
but I'm like, I gotta just put it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
But it's because things can always be better. But so
if you have that mentality, you'll never Yeah, we're a mountain.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
And the funny thing is, like the tagline to our
show is it doesn't have to be good, it has
to exist. And so when we first started, we were
all about writing songs in under forty five minutes, okay,
And so like the first ten episodes were with you know,
some of our friends and just writing whatever crap song
we could. Some are pretty good, but and it just

(01:30:32):
putting it out there. And then it got too difficult
to release a song over zoom, and it just turned
into interviews and stuff. But like, I love writing about
the mundane because everyone can kind of relate. I just
wrote a poem about some guy waiting in line after
like a twelve hour shift and he sees this cookie
at the end of the cafeteria line and he's like

(01:30:54):
so excited for this cookie and it's the last chocolate
chip cookie. And then this woman like grabs it and
she's like I already paid, sorry, and she takes off
and he's just like shit, Like it's just this disappointment,
and it's it's a good poem.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
I read that in a panera and I was like, whoa,
this is so meta.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
We've all felt it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
But you got the death lemonade death.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Oh people really died from that thing. I worked. I
worked at Panera when I met my wife, my now wife.
I was a panera e Panera. I made sandwiches. But
and I used to back then, this was like two
thousand and nine.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Ten, would you guys have do you guys have children?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
We do not, we have we have fur babies.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Okay, I was about to say your first child could
be named Panera, but continue, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah, pan and Era pan after the god of whatever.
That's me. I'm still a little guy.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
I wasn't. Okay, Okay, so ten years ago, Panera.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Oh, it was just great. You'd be able to take
home all the cookies. But I did witness I did
witness love inside of the panera. So it was it
was a It was a strange when I read your poem.
Kurt I was like, Oh, they didn't. That's love.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
That's a name of a poem. Their love inside of Panera.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Love inside of Panera copyright, trademark whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Panara sucks now. I don't know if you've been back recently.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Yeah, Ever, my original point was it was was like,
I appreciate how relatable your music is. Oh, thank you,
Like it's That's what I was trying to get to.
But I'm happy to talk about Panera bread. But like,
its just it's it's just a it's a fun listen.
I love that. I love I'm driving the car and
I don't read the lyrics as I'm driving, but like

(01:32:44):
I love reading the lyrics and I just.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
Reading and driving now recommended.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
You're very good at what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Yeah, no, I that I that that means a lot,
especially from people that you know, write music and stuff
like that. It's it always, it always is very like
humbling and sweet to hear when someone actually like relates
to and connects with you, you know, because it's I
think that's the whole idea. You're expressing yourself, so you're
doing it for yourself, but you put it into the

(01:33:14):
world to connect with other people. You could just make
it and then never release it, but that's just for you.
But that's Yeah, it's to connect with everyone around you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Like that's true, and then just throw it to the wind.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, you're so briefly, Like life is goes by so fast,
and if you have the ability like you do to
write great songs, like I think, it's it's not just important,
but like it's almost necessary. Like it's that it's you
gotta scratch, you know, you gotta gotta get these things
out there, and.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
I know I'm gonna just keep scratching it. Uh, Although yeah, no,
I definitely there is this weird, like counterintuitive, uh negative
thought in the back of my head where I'm like
the older I get and as a woman just like
less value, less valuable to society.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Here in Capitalism pokes his ugly head in again in
the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
What is the the hillbilly elogy? Guy, I've been saying, Oh,
you know, child.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Lady, there's a full people are selling shirts of like
childless cat lady shirts with like this cute little cat,
embrace it. Embrace it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Apparently, women without children are some of the happiest of the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Yeah, dude, I believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Yeah, I totally believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
We are dumb. Men are dumb, dude, we are not. Yeah,
really was like that great.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Full full honesty. I was like, I was like, Cali's
gonna come on the show and just me, Leo and
maybe Adam, Like let's see if we can get Monica back
on just for this episode, because like, we're not. I
don't think we're the brightest.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Wait, so you had you had a Okay, so you
have you have an another host, But then there also
was a female host at one time, and.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
She she was our fact check. She literally was the
intelligence check on us, and she had she had to
step away. She's like pursuing a master's degree. She's two girls.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
She's like, I'm very, I'm very, I don't need to
be no, but we miss her.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
She's always welcome back. I'm like, we can't. We can't
do like a research thing anymore because we're just going
to be wrong. In fact, some guy got me on
the in the in the chat, uh, their name is
considered it considerate shipped. They say hell a and loneliness
in a suitcase is honestly incredible. Regarding the Disney Green

(01:35:46):
Go Away Green they said, it's what. All their fences
are painted, so it's easy to run over with your eyes.
And then the color blindness, both parents would have to
have a recessive ex gene of color blindness. So like
if I had a daughter and I had you know,
gave her the X, ya, I had the color blind
and then if my wife was a carrier, all of
our children would be color blind. And then with the man,

(01:36:09):
they only need one recessive X.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
That's so it's just easier for you know. So we
do have.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Someone in the If Bill ny was watching our show,
I took.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
A selfie with him once and it was very like,
you know, okay. So it was that the I was
back the Creative Arts Emmys, not a very important Emmys,
a wardrobe, but whatever. Bill Nye was there, and I
was hanging out with Ryan Ridley, who I don't know
if you guys know him from Rick and Morton and
all that. Oh yeah, but we're like, look it's Bill

(01:36:41):
Nye and and we're like we were. Ridley's girlfriend was
with us too, and we're like, can we take a
selfie with you? So as me Ridley and his girlfriend,
and uh, he was like, oh right, I'm going to
hold the camera. Now, don't look at yourself on the image.
Look at over. Here were the actual lenses? Now, everyone, three,
two one, look at the Wow. It's just very like

(01:37:03):
do as I say. I'm I'm doing it correctly or not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
That was a very good Bill n I impression, because
that's how the show was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
He's like, consider the following. Don't look at the screen.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
It was literally like just directing us and we're like, okay,
thank you, sir, thank you another.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I still feel like I learned something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
I did learn something. We're all idiots, although apparently newer
iPhones they kind of create them so that you can
look at yourself on the I don't know do they.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
I think it's like trying to compensate for the fact
that everyone looks at the image, not the lens. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Leo, would you do? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
I can't hear you, Leo. He messed with his settings.
This happens, all right, hold on, Leo, wait say something. Nope,
you ain't coming through. Man, you're muted.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
All I hear is my air conditioning event rattling.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Oh that's you too, mine too. Okay, I got your
microphone came.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
There we go, here we go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
We can hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
Okay, so scarlet too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
The new MacBooks are all USB c's yeah, and my
scarlet interface is not, so I have a little adapter.
And like I was laughing at some because of this,
just a frivolous fun group. And I hit my laptop
and it shut everything off. And I just wanted to
say how cool it was that you saw Sawiam's guy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Yeah, No, it was that was I mean, there was,
there was, I saw a lot of There was a
Star Trek reunion, which we already established. You guys don't
care about.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
We didn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:38:52):
It was twenty eighteen, so it was like the I
don't remember the number of what how many years it was,
but they had like William Shatner was there, LeVar Burton, Uh,
seven of nine lady, Jerry Ryan, like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
A bunch of people.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Uh and uh it was it was cool, you know.
And oh and Bob Saget right before he died.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Bob, Yeah, that was really there. I don't know why
when you said seven of nine, lady, I thought of
John and Kate plus eight, and I was like, who
are they there? Eight?

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Nine?

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
Are they canceled.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Yeah, there's some yeah, one of them, right, a lot
of those shows.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Yeah, they're like, what's the religious one where they got
like fifty children, Yeah, the fifty encounting seventy thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
And seventy thousand? Yeah, what are Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
They were doing some nefarious things douggers. Yes, that's what
it was. Gross.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Yeah, their name literally sounds like we shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Saying nineteen kids and counting. Like the oldest son was like, yeah,
the son and his siblings, but the but.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
The and the dad knew, I mean, but he's a
godly man, so he we had to conserve faith and faith.

Speaker 3 (01:40:03):
If the Habsburgs can do. I'm sorry, it's rough the
ridge to it. I'm not making a case. I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to make a case of this at all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Let's go to see, Uh how long is this show?

Speaker 3 (01:40:16):
How long do you?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
As long as you liked? We could we could have
ended thirty minutes ago. Go.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
Yeah, I had questions, but.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Like you have questions. Okay, let's go wrap it. Uh,
spit them out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
Ship, hold on it now, back to the problem reading
writing again.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
You gotta just type this ship just like well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
I didn't know. I could have. I could have.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I've been thinking about this all day off of Long
Live the Loser. Yeah, and you do this a lot.
What holy tempo change, Batman, That's what I say. You
do a lot of tempo changes, but in a way
that's so seamless and fun.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
I normally hate a tempo change.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
I don't remember it's on Don't Give Up a General.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Or oh we do it, probably do it on most
of the songs.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
There's one where you go into You're like You're just
normal four four and then you go into this like
Waltz three four six.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
Yeah, that's Don't give Up in General.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
That's the one that's probably my favorite song.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
Album because I wanted it to sound kind of like you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Yeah, it's so good, but it's not like, how did
you record that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Well, so.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
We did this thing so that so that it's all
exact and there's a click track. He does this thing
where he does a whole click mapping of the whole song,
so I do I do rough with the drummer live,
and then based off that, then he kind of sets
it so that he knows exactly what the click track

(01:41:51):
should be, and then we played the click track.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
If that makes Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
So it's all mapped out and there's parts where like
I think, like in the song Another Life, we speed
up and speed down even he wrote that into the
click track, so the click track would like he would
do that in our ear. Yeah, wow, which definitely helps.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
That's wild that he didn't have so you he So
you guys recorded your scratch tracks, like you playing with
the drummer and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:21):
So that he could hear what it would sound like. Yeah,
mapped it out on pro tools or whatever. Damn.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
So from your first album to your current your most
recent release, how do you think how is your uh
songwriting process? Has your songwriting process changed at all?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
I don't think so. It's mostly so I do two things.
So a lot of times now since having an iPhone,
which is the last you know, However, many years, I'll
in my notes program, I'll have like one sentence ideas
that I'll later bring into my lyrics book and be like, Okay,
I'm gonna just keep writing after this one thought kind of.

(01:43:05):
It's kind of like it's just like a like a
topic starter kind of thing for my bro Uh, So
that's what I'll do for lyrics, and then when I'm
writing riffs, I'll write riffs and then I'll just go
through all my lyrics until it kind of fits mathematically,
you know, So I'll sometimes That's why sometimes songs will
get parts of them taken out and put into other

(01:43:27):
songs because it's like, oh, it doesn't fit, but I
like what I wrote, but it doesn't fit within this
song with this riff that I have.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
That's freaking chaos, dude, I love that. That's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Is just like, well, you're very mathematical and very like
meticulous about how you approach things. I don't think every
songwriter has the same. Like you mentioned this with clem
On on Outlawes when you're Painted Pioneer, how you have
that kind of like thing for a while, like it
was just in the back of your head you had

(01:43:58):
that riff and then it wasn't it like had to
ripen on the vine.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Yeah, and then and it like you know when I, uh,
sometimes I'll have whole other chords for these songs or
whole other sets of lyrics. So like a good example
of that would be on the newest album Falling Forever.
Uh that actually that song like musically has existed since
the first album, but I wasn't like good enough at

(01:44:24):
playing guitar to play it and sing at the same time,
and it had different lyrics, and the lyrics weren't very good.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
So but I always just.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Kept that riff in the back of my mind. I
was like, this riff is good, And as I got
better at playing guitar, I was like, I'm going to
fucking finish this stupid song. It was like the last
song I wrote for the album. Like I wrote it.
It was the newest song on that album, along with
the Loser I think is Falling Forever, because it was
just like newest as in like the lyrics were.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
New, but oh, I see what you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
The chords are very old.

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
You had the music, you didn't have the word quite there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Yeah, And I kept like there was even I think
when I was recording demos for the second album, contrary
to popular belief, all my albums are a mouthful.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
It's gonna keep going with that. I think it was like,
what was that band from that same time Perio we were
talking about earlier that had a big effect on his
annual notice by the Trail of Deary conference. Why or
was it Pink Floight's momentary lapse of reason?

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Anyway. Uh, it was also a demo on that I
think the original name was Rope and Ryde like it
was like about cowboys and stuff. Uh, It's just it
didn't work and I was just not, you know, talented
enough to do it. Not that I'm saying I'm you know,
I'm more experienced.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
You built your chops.

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
Yeah, you have the skill to meet the vision in
your head.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
Yeah, and not the way I wanted it. Yeah, I
will say That's the nice thing about, you know, getting
more experienced with art and music is that I'm getting
closer to what I can hear and see in my head.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
There you go, Because a lot of times it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
I'm not capable, you know, yeah, like I can't attain it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
You've built up your toolkit, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Yeah, yeah. And I mean and also just like working
with cool musicians, like I love all the albums I've
worked like so Tommy was a big integral part of
the first album. The second album. Max Winston, who's an
amazing stop motion animator, and he was like the drummer
of the Manx. He's just like an amazing drummer who
was very unique and so like a lot of that

(01:46:48):
album is going off of like his you know, cool
drum beats. And then the third album was him, me
and my bassis Anthony Venturie who joined and it was
very like rock bandy for that and then the fourth
album is a lot more like Even Toshi he like

(01:47:08):
when we're recording, He's like, this is a lot more
singer songwriter for you, which I guess I hadn't done
in a while since the first album where it was
truly just me being accompanied by musicians. Yeah, and I'm
fine with that. I'm fine with either way. But where
was I going with this? What was I saying? I

(01:47:29):
just like it if whoever I'm playing with kind of
affects it, you know, and I like that the contributions
that people make, Like I would say, the major difference
between this last album and the album before it, so
the major difference between Long Lived, the Loser and lead
Darker and deeper than the Season hell is if you'll
notice there's no lead guitar for the most part on

(01:47:49):
the third album, Like there's a little bit from Toshi
stepping in and doing some stuff, but Mike Adams who
started playing with my band right after we recorded the
third album, so he's not recorded onto the album. So
many songs from that album now, the way I hear
them is how I play them live with Mike Adams,
and he got to do the lead guitar on the

(01:48:10):
new album, which I think. He's like an amazing musician
who I met who he is, Like he like does
a lot of jazz master stuff like taking apart and
building jazz masters, and he's he's written a lot for
like Guitar World and Guitar Magazine, all that kind of stuff.
Like he's a very technical guy. But he was just
so good. And he saw us play in Long Beach,

(01:48:33):
where he was living at the time, and I just
I we connected, like we both like Silent Hill to music,
really weird shit, and I was like we're just yeah, yeah,
but like we just connected over the weirdest things. And
I was like, yeah, play with me. I want to

(01:48:53):
lead guitars because I never because I never approached my
music as a band. It was always just like picking
up stragglers, like come on, and now I've lost my stragglers,
and now I have a harpist in an accordion player
I don't know, it's very clever, like I have.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
More of an entertainment industry have amazed question, but like,
how has it changed for you in the last like
through before the pandemic till now. I guess we say
post pandemic, but COVID is still around.

Speaker 1 (01:49:45):
Like it's like spiking right now.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Yeah. My parents just had it. They're like, we think
we have COVID. I was like, I'm pretty sure you
have COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's been pretty hard because I
I haven't adjusted to playing regular shows again. I want to.
I definitely got to record one of my favorite albums,
you know, post pandemic or whatever. But I think like
the idea of touring and all that is, as much

(01:50:18):
as I would like to do that, I think I'm
like less driven to do that just because it's like, yeah,
I think it's if there was a way to afford
to do that, I would. But if all I can
afford is to just make music and put it out there,
then like that would be like the top priority is

(01:50:38):
to just create music, even though obviously playing your music
to people is the general idea that you want to do,
But that's like taking a back seat for me personally,
just because it's it's expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Well, if you ever want to come up to Portland
and play a show, let me know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Hell yeah, I mean that's see, that's not too bad.
If I'm sticking to one side of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
Well you could do I mean l A and then
you drive a couple hours Fresno.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
Slisso where my dad lives.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Perfect. Yeah, and the people outside of the big cities,
like you l A, there's like a show every two blocks.
Oh yeah, there's a show every other door.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
I played some weird places on one of our tours.
Where was it? What's that? Inland? Place from San Francisco?
Like deep in.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Reading?

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
Ready keep saying names, keep naming every maybe not modesto, modesto,
but like modesto, not modesta.

Speaker 1 (01:51:43):
No, like when you were up Methier, like so directly
inland from San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
All yeah, we're gonna have to get this one.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Let's see how Alifornia Telephonia. What a terrible song. It's
so catchy, it's so bad though.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
The Swart stocked in I just ide.

Speaker 1 (01:52:12):
One of my favorite shows in Stockton.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Because people are so hungry for music there, like the
bands don't terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Yeah, no, it's true. Bands don't stuff there. It was terrifying.
There was a lady walking around I'm pretty sure with
a baby carriage full of drugs. But uh they the
audience was so like like they just you know, the energy.
Same with the there was a great show we had
in Joy like there's some there's some great you know.

(01:52:41):
I I if anything, I should play more small cities
instead of bigger places like I'm so used to La
where it's just you're just nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
Come down to It builds up that skin though, that skins.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
Yeah, my skin is just all callous.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Yeah callice, CALLI.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
CALLI zoo. Oh that's too many because.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
That's one too many caves.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
Yeah, I will. I will say. The one idea I
had for a tour, uh, if I do do a
tour is called just the front tour, where I literally
just traveled to anywhere where I can stay for free
and get there in a cheap way. So again, Portland
is probably yeah, and I got some family nearby, so

(01:53:30):
I was like, okay, that could that just that could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
And if you're in Portland, you might as well go
to Seattle. It's like two and a half hours away exactly.
You're yeah, there, jump, but don't do Seattle because Seattle
is just like every other big city. You do Tacoma
or Olympia like a city right outside of Seattle, because
the people are like, I want music.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Yeah no, and Toshi might know so.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Because again, Melvins, you played Pomona. You ever played down
in Pomona like I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
I've played Long Beach a bunch, but not Pomona. When
I played the House of Blues.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
May the guy that ran sound for us. He's an
old friend of ours. His name is Matt Rubick. He's
the new or he's been there for a couple of years.
He's the uh production director at the House Blues and is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Gonna be playing there. Tommy will be playing there, I
think coming up soon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
That's go Wild October.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm definitely gonna probably go because
I have not I have yet to see him regard. Yeah,
we can get sacrifice on stage. Yeah, be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
You should take your album that you recorded with him
and get blood on it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
Perfect. Perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
No, I'm just gonna yeah, I'm just gonna throw him
out at the audience. And people will be like, get it,
get it away.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
I would.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
I would people. Some people messaged me going like, oh,
are you gonna do another vinyl? And again it's one
of those things where I'm like, I would love to,
but it used to be so much cheaper to get
a vinyl, Dude, I would love to. And then I
also have to house them.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
Yeah, it's a storage. It's a whole thing. It is
a merches a lot. Yeah, you gotta have like a
you got to take out a second mortgage.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
I know it's and I'm so like, I love the
artwork on this new album so much. Uh, this is
the first time I've had a photo since the first album.
And the amazing photographer Parker Day definitely look her up,
who's done a lot of amazing photos for musicians and
comedians and artists and all sorts of cool people. She
did that it's actual photography, you know. Uh. And then uh,

(01:55:44):
it's a scan of my boyfriend's mom like cross stitched
my name and this just idea of like cross this
around it. So it's all like a real it's all real,
like none of it's like photoshop. It's that actual real
photo and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Crusted where did you get the dress.

Speaker 1 (01:56:02):
I got that vintage place in Burbank and it's like
a vintage prom dress. And I because I wanted. I
just had this idea of like being like a hopeful
uh naives bride.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
Yeah, just like the band, the band that drove across
the country to see that you would sign them and
gave you their CD.

Speaker 1 (01:56:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
The full of the light is still in their eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Yeah, this is what they were wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
And I like, the night before I googled how to
make a veil and I made a veil and I
made my bouquet and I'm wearing because then I realized, like, no,
I need a wedding ring. So I'm wearing the photographer's
wedding ring Parking her ring.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
No, very good one, just for the picture. Don't wry.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
But uh, did you press vinyl for for this one?

Speaker 1 (01:56:54):
No? So okay. The first two have vinyl, The third
one has a tape cassette and CD in the third.
The fourth one has nothing currently but hopefully maybe something
I don't know cassette because I really this is the thing.
If I if I have money, it's like I'm gonna
have to choose either I get a vinyl made, or
I go on a tour, yeah, or I make another album.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
There's limited there's there's new websites and I've looked into
a couple of them that they'll do print to order.
Oh yeah, it's like yeah, but if you do go
on tour, you want the actual tangibles so that you
can sell them on tour. So that's a tough one.
But like I feel like, you know that the only
reason I bring up the vinyl is because that would

(01:57:40):
one the artwork. Artwork would look dope framed up on
the wall. Oh yeah, and that album sounds so good
on vinyl.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
I think, yeah, it would. I mean even the third
album I was always said that wasn't vinyl. It's done up.
But tape cassettes are cool, but you know, no one
almost no one has a tape player.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
I don't know gen Z's coming in hot with the
okay technology oloids they.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Go back, like I will say, like they're getting into
CDs maybe right as computers don't have CD drunk.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Yeah, they're getting into Junco jeans. That's they're wearing those again.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
We were driving it through.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
And the frost tits we were driving through. We were
driving up the pch coming home to Portland, because we
were just in southern California and we were at the
stop light and there was like a group of like
three or four teenagers and they all had saggy, big
long shorts and Junco jeans on, and I was like,
you could transport them directly from like a Limp Biscuit

(01:58:41):
show in like two thousand and one.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
That's were saying, there's nothing new anymore, Like there's no
fashion that's new. There's nothing that you can be like, oh,
this is twenty twenty four, other than like seeing someone
holding an iPhone and even that's getting pretty old.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
Yeah, Like there's no nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
To differentiate it. Again, if you were watching a movie,
it's like it takes place in twenty twenty four. It
could take place in twenty fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
It could take place right back to our capitalism conversation,
it always comes back with not available to the consumer
anymore capitalism.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
But I need, I need whoever is listening to this
to listen to my music so that I can, you know,
join the capitalist.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
You have a you have a really healthy fan base,
Like you have a lot of followers.

Speaker 1 (01:59:30):
I have very I have like some I would say
a small but powerful I would.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
Say so, and this is two hours of material and
I'm gonna I'm gonna give this to so my sister,
she sits on the podcast too. She'll do some editing,
but she'll she'll go through the episode and like pull
clips and put together like three to five minutes of
stuff that we can talk about this we're down recording,

(02:00:01):
but like, uh, yeah, this this is as much for
you as it is for us.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
No, I appreciate it. I mean, you know, it's the
same that like, like again, like I keep talking about
Chapel Won just because she's on my mind lately. But
like see you know now that she's like become viral
and all that, like they cut to all these clips
of her on these types of shows, just like a
year ago or two years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:00:24):
That's gonna be you, I hope. So we're rooting for it.
Thank you, share we will. Yeah, well, we'd love it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
I'm definitely I've been very lucky with having a lot
of really nice and talented people like you know, like
we're saying, like the people that have been in my
music videos or have shot my music videos, uh, who
are very kind and sweet and just you know, give
themselves to me for free to help promote myself. Uh.
The amazing Madeline Zeema directed my last music video, Falling Forever,

(02:00:57):
and she's just an amazing act her and director and
blah blah blah. And her sister Avon is the star
of Black Wind, along with the amazing Kate Froyn, who's
Rob Shaw's wife, who I've mentioned before because I love
her and she's She's in a lot of my music
videos and she usually dies. Someone noticed, like one of
my fans online notes like, why do you always kill

(02:01:17):
Kate in your music videos? And I was like, I
was like, I do always kill Kate.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
She's the the Sean Bean of the Cali Kazoo multiverse.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Basically, yeah, no, it's weird because yeah, and she dies
at the end of Clem. She gets shot by me
because I've turned into a gangster, and then she dies
at the end of I guess it's kind of implied
that everyone dies and what is that, Hey, look with
all the dancers, the shadow men or whatever or women,

(02:01:51):
and then she dies and take a dive yes by
a cult leader and then yeah, and Black Wind, she's
she's the bad guy and she also again dies, So
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:02:04):
You should do like a tribute to like the Twilight
Zone episode with with Burgess Meredith where he like he's
in the vault when the atomic bomb kills everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
Yeah, he's just That episode is called time Enough, Time,
Time Enough at Last for All or No, that's one
of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
It's such a it's it's such a good one. But yeah,
you should do something call back to that episode where
she's the only survivor.

Speaker 1 (02:02:35):
I like that, or or maker William Shatner on the plane.

Speaker 3 (02:02:39):
Yeah, do that too.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
I am working. We're working on another music video. It's
just like a lot more complicated. So been working on
that with Nate Cornette, who I mentioned earlier, who shot
my first music video. He shot my first music video
and he shot Take a Dive, but he's never directed
any of them, so we're it's it's it's gonna be
a weird one. The only spoiler I'll give, which I

(02:03:07):
think I posted an image on my Instagram but didn't
explain it. But it may or may not involve Bob's
big boy. Oh, but for legal reasons, probably I shouldn't
say that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:18):
Yeah, it's Robert's large child.

Speaker 2 (02:03:24):
You had it on the tip of your tongue.

Speaker 3 (02:03:27):
Drew Carrey to partner on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Oh my god, Yeah, I guess that's his jam.

Speaker 3 (02:03:34):
That's his Bob's Big Boy used to that's like his restaurant.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
Oh I know, yeah, he definitely. He probably paid a
lot of a lot of tabs last year.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
My grandma, her whole life is like Glendale Burbank area,
and she's like, we're going to Bob's like every month.
Used to go to Bob's Big Boil at the time.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Wait, did you know that about him picking up the tab.

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
For I did know about that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:58):
Oh yeah, I know the writer's strike he picked.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
Up Yeah, the tab for.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Everyone's dude, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:05):
Did that affect you, the writer's strike?

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
Like kind of? I see, this is the thing. I'm
an animation guild and technically we're about to either maybe
go on strike or not. Our contract agreement goes up
in like two weeks and so I will find out.
But uh, it's been it's been weird. A lot of
our industry, like film entertainment whatever, industry has been like

(02:04:31):
obviously AI but outsourced. So it's a lot cheaper to
get stuff animated in India or Ireland or Korea or
China or anywhere that isn't here.

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
The bottom line cheaper.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
So yeah, I really gotta this music career has really
got to take offs.

Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
Yeah they haven't.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
They haven't figured out how to outsource that one yet.
CALLI exactly Actually K pop good, Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (02:05:02):
Everyone just listened to K pop now, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
K pop, Cali, Kazoo, K hop. We just taking it
back home in America Ours now copyright circa.

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
Like, I feel like they have one of those fan
bases where they could just destroy, like they can destroy
entire governments, a little one like an individual.

Speaker 2 (02:05:25):
Oh yeah yeah, like the Swifties.

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
I say they're the only group that can rival the Swifties.

Speaker 2 (02:05:33):
Yeah well yeah, well yeah, when you can get a
fan base like that, that gets like they consolidate their
effort to like I think they they bought up all
the seats at like a Trump rally and nobody showed up.
I love that. Yeah, the power, the power of this

(02:05:54):
little black box that we have.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
I think I think I'm getting a little sleeping delirious.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
So maybe we understood understood. Well, you've been a wonderful guest.
This was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Yeah, this was a blast. Oh and yeah, learned so
much from you, got to talk about your awesome music.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
I can't wait to play a show with you in
Portland Organ.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
Hey anytime, Yeah, anytime.

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
I will figure that out. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
Yeah, there's a couple of places. There's a lot we
could play in Portland. But there's a ton of places
in organ if you come up this way, however that
if you go with the band or just dude, I'm
trying to.

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
Remember the venue because way back when I happened to
be there for a wedding and the Manx Tommy's band
that I keep bringing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
You, Yeah, he just happened to be in town playing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
I was like, I'm going to here show tonight and
he's like, I'm in Portland. I'm like, but I forget
where it was, but it was. It was a nice
little venue.

Speaker 2 (02:06:50):
Portland's a fun town. There's a lot of like there's
there's bigger venues, not to the scale of like LA's
got big big venues, but Portland, Portland has more of these.
Into meant like then use that and like good like
Stephen Malcolm's from Pavement plays these like he just played
this venue called Turnturn Turn like a couple months ago,
and it's one of those it's not like the smell

(02:07:13):
but like kind of the same. Good.

Speaker 3 (02:07:16):
Yeah, there's human feces.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
It's just built on human poo.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
I was most of the time when I, like, the
last time I had a tour, it was all di
I y punk places.

Speaker 2 (02:07:27):
You know, those are the best.

Speaker 3 (02:07:29):
The movie I don't think I could watch that movie
brow And that's the guy that was in the Star
Trek movies who got.

Speaker 2 (02:07:38):
Run over by his car so sad.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
Oh yeah, and on that no, no, no, we got better.

Speaker 3 (02:07:45):
Yeah, dude, Yeah, listen to Long Live the Loser. Let's
get you some live shows.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:07:55):
Yeah, no, I like, yeah, no, I I so I
I am. I will say I'm late to the game.
I purposely did not join Apple and Spotify and Amazon
and all that for years. I was very anti that,
trying to like stick it to the man, but really
it was sticking to myself. So I joined very late.
So I joined, so please follow me and like on

(02:08:17):
all there and all that so that my numbers go up. Yeah,
we're part of the system now.

Speaker 3 (02:08:25):
Yeah, we'll share all the all the social links and everything,
so we we we'll push it. But yes, stay on.
After I stopped recording, and just a couple of things,
I just like explain.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
I know the camera just I'm just falling.

Speaker 2 (02:08:44):
You could green screen that c phoam.

Speaker 1 (02:08:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, a little lumpy.

Speaker 2 (02:08:51):
I'm a little lump.

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
I don't know what I turned on my neon signs,
but you can't actually see them light.

Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
No, no, that's the recording symbol. What is back back there?
It's the void, it's the Kali gonna. Oh there they are,
yim me. I love dumblings.

Speaker 1 (02:09:14):
I broke the fourth wall. Okay, I'm done, I got my.

Speaker 3 (02:09:17):
Good night, good night.

Speaker 2 (02:09:19):
This is Leo.

Speaker 3 (02:09:20):
You want to say something to sign off to I
can stop recording.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
I want to say CALLI your because awesome, because awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
Hell yeah, hell.

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
Listen to la Hey new Metal is back, y'all probably
forbid it is you need to bring that that album
back that is coming to Spotify explicive for just one
song listeners, hell.

Speaker 3 (02:09:48):
A, hell yeah, that's the best.

Speaker 1 (02:09:54):
I don't think I've ever talked about that ever. So
that isn't exclicive.

Speaker 3 (02:09:58):
That is thank you, You're welcome.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
Just unpacking trauma from the New met how's.

Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
Your relationship with your father? No, what's in on that?

Speaker 1 (02:10:11):
Pretty good?

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
Okay, I told you not to come into my room
when I'm listening to La Dad.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
Oh no, it's completely opposite. My dad would be the
one listening to something crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
Oh dude, your dad sound like your rocks.

Speaker 1 (02:10:24):
I like my both my parents. They lived right near
the Black Flag Church in her Most Beach way back when.
Uh my dad, like he gave me Nirvana. Nevermind. He's like, oh,
like some of the younger kids that I hired because
you did like celium wall textures and people's houses, like,
so you'd always hire teenagers. He's like, they were listening

(02:10:45):
to this, it's really cool. Here you go.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
And I'm like seven, you just doubted your dad, like
illegal operations of his business.

Speaker 1 (02:10:53):
Oh yeah, well a lot of I mean LA so
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:10:56):
A lot of good point people that you'd.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Find it home depot.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
Now. Yeah, hey, I got to pay them bills. I
got to keep those cogs capitalism and turn them in.

Speaker 1 (02:11:07):
But yeah, I know, he's a cool guy. It's it's
hard to compete with a cool guy, dead cool.

Speaker 2 (02:11:13):
Dad, cool dad syndrome. Hey to all the cool dads
out there.

Speaker 3 (02:11:21):
Am I cool dad?

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
Sure? The boat of Confidencely, No, you are really cool. Maddie,
my my partner, my wife, my life, my life partner.
She met Kurt for the first time last week.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
She was not the first time. Wait, she met her
like three or four times before that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
Well, this time it's stuck. I oh did it? Who
is that person you do a show with?

Speaker 3 (02:11:50):
So Leo and I went to college together, and like,
I met her at the songwriter showcase both times you
did it. I met her at the gay bar where
you did the drag show and rivers Side.

Speaker 2 (02:12:01):
Yeah, we out with her.

Speaker 1 (02:12:02):
When we talk about all these things. Okay, what is he?
What is the songwriter showcase? B Were you in a
drag show?

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
Yes? I won third place at the Drag Delicious Drag
Ball in two thousand and was and seven.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Were you in drag?

Speaker 2 (02:12:18):
I was in drag? Yeah, they thought he was. They
m They were like, here you go, buddy, showed up.
I just was there. No, there was a there's a
there's a gay bar in downtown Riverside, California called the Menagerie,
And every time we played there, I would always go
to Goodwill and find like dresses, and I would.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
Just because that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
It's the best thing to play in too, because it's
so like free and airy and.

Speaker 1 (02:12:47):
Oh yeah yeah. I think at one point the Manx
all wanted to dress up like they were in prom dresses,
so a bunch of them borrowed my dresses to wear.

Speaker 2 (02:12:56):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (02:12:58):
You're there, heavy metal folk band? Uh? But what what
is the songwriter showcase? So it sounds fancy.

Speaker 3 (02:13:06):
We both went to cal Poly Pomona and it's basically
it's a required Is it required? No, it's optional. But
students submit like they auditioned a song to the group
or to this class, and then typically the seniors or
sometimes the juniors, are given the task of producing a

(02:13:27):
whole show, like for these songs. So, like, Leo, were
you a producer? I think so, I was a producer
of my senior year. And so you're assigned like five,
seven or eight songs as a band, and then you
have to bring that to fruition on stage and that's

(02:13:47):
kind of your final and so it's pretty it's a
lot of fun too.

Speaker 1 (02:13:53):
Yeah, that sounds fun, fun and crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:13:56):
To work with.

Speaker 1 (02:13:57):
So I didn't know there was a cal Poly in
Pomona because the cow Paul I know is in San
Lu's Obispo.

Speaker 3 (02:14:02):
So it's the sister school. Pomona was the agricultural ring
of cal Poly Slow and then it became its own university.
They like they raised the world supply of Arabian horses there.
Our previous guest on the show, doctor Resource was right,
yeah for yeah, whatever, But she's a she's the professor,

(02:14:26):
an associate professor there and the leader of Mariachi, the
Mariachi Ensemble, and they've toured around the world. She's just
she's awesome. Played for Arnold Schwarzenegger a number of times.
She's a She's hers is a good episode if you're
interested in.

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
Checking she She's done a lot of cool stuff and
like the March like she uh, she loves Weezer and
like the Blue album and so she's like Mariachi fied,
like uh, like normal pop songs and rock song stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:14:55):
Which she's not. What was that band that went viral
playing the Dodger Stadium. That was a Mariachi band.

Speaker 2 (02:15:02):
That that was the Easy Bands band, the Easy Band. Yeah,
I talked about them. We talked about that. Yeah, they're cool.

Speaker 3 (02:15:09):
Yeah, they have a song it's the corrido Dale Will
Smith and it's all about Will Smith slapping Chris rock
at the Oscars. It's so great.

Speaker 1 (02:15:21):
The only Yeah, like, uh, do you know the band
the Bronx. They have Mariachi l Bronx. Yeah, but I
know the guitarist Kennis what was his last name? And
I met him years ago because he was briefly married
to my friend from the band poly Sis. What band?

Speaker 3 (02:15:45):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:15:46):
I'm all world.

Speaker 3 (02:15:47):
There's so many shout outs we gotta do now. Yeah,
anyone you want to shout out in particular before we
sign off me?

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
Yeah, shout outs?

Speaker 3 (02:15:56):
Uh oh, shoutout Adam miss him? Sorry, I told him
I do that. Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
Shout up to my boyfriend Paul Cornett because he'll probably
watch this after because he's he is. He's a big
he says, no one rocks as hard as him. He
lives to rock. So when he met me, he was like,
oh man, you're so cool and rocking. So even though
he's my boyfriend he lives with me and all that,
he's still like, well watch my interviews and things.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
Hey, that's a good partner right there.

Speaker 3 (02:16:30):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:16:30):
I forgot more videotapes.

Speaker 1 (02:16:35):
He's probably just asleep in the other room because he
thought i'd be done an hour ago.

Speaker 3 (02:16:39):
Oh no, you know it's funny. Like my bed, I'm
in my bedroom slash living room.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
I'm in my bed right now.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
She's gone at a she sleeps sitting up. She's at
a bachelor at party in pomp Springs.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
But like I recorded.

Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
Look, when I recorded Doctor Vejo's episode episode, I was like, honey,
have you listened to an episode? She goes, No, I
was there when he recorded it. Why would I listen
to it? I go because you only heard me, She
goes all I needed to hear, don'tay. But I'm like,
all right, it's okay. Maybe because we're.

Speaker 1 (02:17:11):
Still we're still early on in our relationship, so you
know he's not he's not bored of.

Speaker 3 (02:17:18):
I hear it yet We're ten years in and so yes, yeah,
it's stuck with me now.

Speaker 2 (02:17:29):
We barely tolerate each other.

Speaker 1 (02:17:31):
Seez Louise. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna walk away because
if I don't walk away now, I can't get my
steps before midnight.

Speaker 2 (02:17:39):
Oh get your steps in? Yeah? Good half an hour.

Speaker 3 (02:17:42):
This is just one song with Klie's good nights came.

(02:18:03):
They to

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
Discuss distress, distrust, my thought, Sanf

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