KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 1 Jun, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 1 Jun, 2025

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Colorado FBI Director Cash Pttel is describing today's incident at
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A man reportedly set people on fire and police had
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(00:20):
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NBC News Radio, I'm Chris Garagio. Multiple people are injured
and a suspect is in custody following an attack at
a mall in Boulder, Colorado. FBI Director Cash pattel is
describing today's incident at the Pearl Street mall as a
targeted terror attack, but Boulder police were not ready yet
to make that designation. A man reportedly set people on
fire and police at Multiple victims had burn related injuries.

(04:53):
Police at the area is not yet safe. Some of
the injuries are reportedly life threatening. The Anti Defamation League
set on social media the attack place at the Boulder
Run for Their Lives event. The weekly gathering of Jewish
community members is meant to support the hostages taken during
the October seventh attacks in Israel in twenty twenty three,
how Speaker Mike Johnson is defending the so called Big
Beautiful Spending Bill, which faces an uphill battle in the Senate.

(05:14):
He told NBC's Meet the Press there are no Medicaid
cuts in the bill, despite claims to the contrary. Johnson
said it actually strengthens all safety net programs by cutting fraud, waste,
and abuse. After the Senate vote, House lawmakers will have
to approve changes. I'm Chris Karagio, NBC News Radio.

Speaker 8 (05:29):
Okay c A.

Speaker 9 (05:32):
A thank you for tuning in to this edition of
Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali I am attorney Zulu
Wali with a Justice Watch crew Rose of nu Yez,
Michael Blau Clark, doctor kl Bashir, Andrea Rhodeman, and Ryan Rhodes.

(05:53):
This week, like every week, we'll be discussing critical legal
and social justice issues.

Speaker 8 (05:59):
That are impacting our communities.

Speaker 9 (06:02):
Uh, this week the name of our show is Martin
day Buck Breaking or is there Martin day Buck breaking
in the American criminal justice system?

Speaker 8 (06:15):
I think, what do you think about that? So that's interesting?
You hear you? Hear you there belowd yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 9 (06:25):
So anyway, so basically so that I could be clear
about what we're going to be talking about, because I
think that that is a title that could be interpreted
in many different ways. But the purpose of me addressing
this issue is the fact that I believe that I mean,
you hear about this, this ongoing and systemic or what

(06:52):
seems to be a systemic attack on African American males
who ultimately become extremely sucessful.

Speaker 8 (07:02):
I mean from O. J.

Speaker 9 (07:04):
Simpson, uh, to Michael Jackson, to Bill Cosby to.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
R.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
Kelly sort of speak P Diddy.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (07:19):
We also, you know, we saw what happened with Jonathan Majors. Uh.

Speaker 9 (07:23):
It seems that there has been, and even you know
Tiger Woods. To be quite honest, there seems to be
and even to be honest, even when we think about
Michael Jordan, there's always this effort to seem to to
attack the legacy one way or the other. Whenever there's

(07:45):
somebody successful that you know that we lean and and
it's it begins when you know there had been actually
a concerted effort like right now, I mean we you know,
it's kind of like a conspiracy theory. You know, people say,
you know, this is a conspiracy theory when you have
someone who says every time there's a successful black man,

(08:07):
then you know they seem to try to take them down.
You know, they say, well who is they? And you
know they're doing this to themselves. But what we do
know is that basically, I mean, it begins with even
during the time of slavery, if you go back to
the time of slavery, there had always been this effort

(08:30):
to whenever you punish someone, that you punish them in
the presence of other black You know, it wasn't a
private affair. It was always done in the presence of
other people, so that you know the other slaves could
see the punishment to let you know, hey, this is
what's going to happen to you if you get out
of line. And then you know, you also saw it

(08:53):
during the time of Jim Crow, where they used to
you know, hang black men and women. And when they
did it, they always left them on the tree. It
wasn't like they hung them and and and got them
down or let them down. They hung them, oftentimes castrating
them and just leaving them there so that everybody could see,

(09:18):
you know, the strange fruit. Then you go into the
time of the Civil rights movement, during Cohen.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
Telpro and j.

Speaker 9 (09:29):
Goehoover's doctrine about destroying the character of black men or
pitting black people against each other. We saw what they
did with doctor King. We saw that they intentionally called
doctor King to threaten him that they were going to

(09:49):
destroy his character by exposing his infidelity. So you know,
there's always been this concerted effort uh there, And if
the FBI is doing it, obviously there's something behind it.
If slave uh masters were doing this, there's something behind it.

(10:11):
If during Jim Crow, when klansmen or even the government
itself would punish someone, there's something behind it. It's it's
it's to you know, expose. Hey, this is what happens
if you're going to get out of line, uh or
if you you become powerful. And when we say power,

(10:31):
you know, there's a difference between power and wealth. I
think that, you know, you can be wealthy and not
have any real power, you know what I mean. So
in other words, oftentimes there's wealthy people who they keep
in checks. And if you get out, if you if
you if you do something uh slick, this is kind
of what we're we're going to do to you. This

(10:52):
is and we saw that even with Shader Sanders, and
we saw what happened in the draft. We saw that
it was nothing but one percent buck breaking Martin day
buck breaking. They didn't like the fact that he was arrogant,
so to speak, what they perceive is arrogant as opposed
to being confident. I mean I was, you know, although

(11:18):
growing up I was always a football fan. I played football,
but as an adult, I mean I basically stopped watching football.
I don't pay too and in fact, oftentimes I didn't
even know who was in the Super Bowl to the
day of the Super Bowl or when it got closed. However,
when Colorado started playing, you know, started playing.

Speaker 8 (11:38):
We saw.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
Dion Sanders and the way he was he was doing things.
I mean, I liked I thought that the optics were good.
I thought that it gave a great message of of
a of a black man who had two sons that
he was you know, were you know, like, we're the
only people that you know, criticizes nepotism, you know what

(12:03):
I mean. So we're criticizing him for giving his sons
an opportunity, but they seem from and I was paying
attention to color even when they were in Jackson State,
I was paying attention. There was never anything about his sons.
I was actually impressed that they seemed to be in
light of the fact of having a father like Dean Sanders.

(12:23):
They seemed pretty humble to me. Uh and they seemed
to be work. They worked really hard. He seemed to
be a really tough kid because Colorado man, they were
wearing him out. I mean, he had no offensive line.
You know, he was tough, taking hits. It seems that
even his son Shallow, seemed to be extremely tough and

(12:46):
very respectful. But it seemed like they were trying to,
I mean, for him to go in the fifth round.
That was completely ridiculous, right, I mean, and for them
to say the things that they said about the young man,
it seemed to And plus, I mean, they were probably
jealous of Dion because I mean, if already for the
third season, they're already sold out. Even before the season started,

(13:10):
they were getting more attention than a lot of NFL teams.
He was getting more attention than a lot of NFL teams. So,
you know, I mean there's a lot of jealousy that
goes with that, and that was like putting you know,
you had to check him, you know what I mean.
And you know, so I think that there is a

(13:32):
concerted effort for not black wealth. They don't have no
problem with black wealth or black men making money. They
just have a problem with black men making money and
being free. Are making moves that seem like they're going
to cause I mean, you consider with the money that

(13:55):
we have in the black community. You see with the
fact that of the you know, you see the fact
that we have billionaires in the black community, whether you're
talking about Jay Z or whether you're talking about especially
as it relates to the entertainers, you know, you know Oprah,

(14:17):
you know, as long as they don't step out of line,
then they cool. But as soon as someone goes down
and starts speaking their mind and doing something that's going
to make a move, that may be something that's going
to really help black people, then it begins. It becomes
a problem. So you know, there is this there is

(14:41):
this thing that as I mean, no matter what you
I mean, the statistics is crazy, even when it comes
to black people that are pursuing you know, I was
watching something the other day where this brother who was
any mom or who was a minister rather I'm not
gonna say anymore, but he was a minister with the

(15:02):
n O y man and I cannot think of his name,
but he was being interviewed by what's the what's the
brother that was a quarter to cam Newton, and he
was he used the N word, but I'm gonna use
the word nickel to avoid using the N words. So
he says, what was it? He said, Nickel dance, Nickel

(15:27):
saying nickel jump or nickel die. That's what they said
the slave masters used to say. And you know, talking
about that, we are focused on just the pursuits of
of athletics and the pursuits of of entertainment, but we
very seldom go, you know, focus more on on other

(15:50):
academic pursuits, right, whether you're talking about the entertainment business
out behind the camera, or whether you're talking about other
academics engineering, you know, medicine, science or whatever.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
You know.

Speaker 9 (16:04):
But what we don't see is that the numbers as
it relates statistically to Black men in other pursuits, the
whether you're talking about academia and getting tenure in some
of the schools, some of the prestigious schools, getting jobs

(16:25):
at some of these schools, whether you're talking about science, math, law, medicine, dental, whatever.
When you look at how many people are admitted to
the schools, admitted to the practice, how many of them
are targeted in their practices. People don't understand that a

(16:47):
lot of people are targeted even in their practices. People
don't understand that they make it hard for you at
every level. As numbers don't lie, you would almost have
to believe that no matter what pursuit that Black people pursue,
that it's difficult, that we just aren't capable of being successful,
that the numbers just happen to just be against us

(17:09):
in everything that we pursue the reality of it is
is that the system has been set up to make
things more difficult for you and for you to be
the focus of you know, the you know, criticism or
focused on even when in the criminal justice system, when

(17:33):
you look at the numbers against us, the poverty jobs.
I mean, there's a lot of things that are going
on there. But when you talk about getting to a
level of success, it doesn't even stop once you get
at the top of the food chain.

Speaker 8 (17:47):
They still are trying.

Speaker 9 (17:48):
They still try to, you know, make things, you know,
difficult for you because they don't want you to be free,
you know, and then when you get to that level
where you act like you free, then you know, they
come after.

Speaker 8 (18:02):
It's just like when you think about p.

Speaker 9 (18:04):
Diddy and you're listening to a lot of what they're
talking about with what he's doing, like they make they're
making a reco case out of a freakazoid at this point.
I mean, if you look at who's the name of
the guy who did Hustler magazine, Larry Flynt, When you

(18:25):
look at the Playboy mansion, when you look at you know,
you hear more about this than even what was the
name Epstein come on. I mean, so this is the
centerpiece and we're all talking about this guy and what's happening.
I mean, and it's not the fact that I'm here
to to defend P Diddy or to say that anything

(18:48):
that he does is you know, right or wrong, But
it's just that they they scrutinize you to the extent.

Speaker 8 (18:56):
Look, I'm gonna tell you there is no I do not.

Speaker 9 (19:01):
Believe that black people do dirt at a higher level
than anybody else. I believe we're just they just focus
on us more than they do anybody else. You know,
everybody does dirt at the same rate. They just focus
on us more than anyone else. And you know, like

(19:24):
even and the sickness of us is that basically, if
someone was to say that Hugh Hefner had freakoffs at
the Playboy mansion, do you think they would bring a
recocase against him. Do you think that podcast people would
be sitting there talking about the freak offs. Do you

(19:44):
think the FBI would be investigating freak goffs. None of
that would happen. They're doing it because of him getting
to a level and he's seeing number one to be
low hanging fruit and number two. You you know, you
always got a green light to go after a black man.
You don't really have to, you know, second guests that objective, right,

(20:10):
So you know, come on, I mean, if you hear
the test I mean as an attorney listening to because
obviously it's not broadcasted live, it's in federal court, but
to hear some of the testimony, some of it is crazy.
They're like, okay, so some dude gets on there named
the punisher, that gets up there and testifies about how
he does it. I mean, you know, this went on

(20:32):
for years. She arranged certain things. He even made it
clear that it didn't seem like, you know, she was
doing this basically on her her on free will. It
didn't mean seem like he was making see this is
what's happening. You know, it was all about the bag
for her. In my opinion, it seemed like up until

(20:54):
this point, because I mean, look, man, we're in the
me too time period, so okay, you want to be
me too, So let's just be me too. Let's hold
since we're in a time period where men and women
are the same, right, and that where we're at now,
men and women are exact same. So if man and

(21:17):
women are going to be the exact same, let's treat
them the same. Do you think that they would treat
him the same way if Cassie was a man, So
she's got to be she was an adult, she's got
to be responsible. Do I believe that everything that he
did was I mean, like, okay, so he allegedly assaulted her.

Speaker 8 (21:37):
On the video.

Speaker 9 (21:41):
You know, he should be prosecuted for assaulting somebody, for battery,
assault or whatever he was doing. But I just find
it hard to believe that we that know that every
and I actually did a human trafficking case were an
expert said that every woman that.

Speaker 8 (22:03):
Was a prostitute was a victim. That was her analysis.
I disagree with that.

Speaker 9 (22:12):
I mean that would be like every woman who chooses
to sell her body and work under a pimp is
a victim. I think all of it is terrible, whether
it's the prostitute whatever. And I understand these women who
are young, they get into these situations, but she is
an adult. He isn't a great person. They helped to

(22:35):
celebrate them, right they you know what I mean, They
had no problem with him until you know, I understand
that he tried to make some moves that maybe people
didn't agree with, and then the next thing, you know,
we got a problem with him.

Speaker 10 (22:52):
Yeah, okay, well I'll start by saying this. I definitely
think that he's a terrible person. I definitely think that
he should be in jail for those of because the
video is very I mean, it's clear as day that
he abused her, and we know that's from the stories.
I believe that the issue I have with this is
I do think they're trying to take the abuse that

(23:13):
he was giving and doing to her and other women
and other people in that situation, and trying to build
a case for the rico and the other issue the
other things like that, Like they're trying to say, oh,
he's a bad person, so he clearly would do these
other things, and that's not what we're you know, in
court for So like when you have kid Cuddy, who

(23:34):
was her a woman, a guy that she was dating,
and you know, he's telling a story about how did
he you know, blew up his car and stuff like that,
that really has nothing to do with the case that
they're talking about in court. But you're just trying to
like damage the perception of him to help aid you
to get the goal of course of like prosecuting and

(23:56):
and getting a guilty prejudice, yes, yes, prejudice to Jew exactly.
So that's the issue I have. I'm like, because the
one thing I will say, I'm confused on, like how
the Rico thing. Maybe you could explain that the Rico
situation with him, because I mean, they haven't put anybody
else into Rico. It's just him, right right, So I'm.

Speaker 8 (24:13):
Confused on he's the criminal enterprise.

Speaker 10 (24:16):
Exactly right, right, And that's my issue with it, you
know what I'm saying, Like like you said, like the
whole you know, freaky parties and stuff like that. You
know that was something like you said, that was celebrated
when it came to the Playboy mansion, Like there are
TV shows that showcase, you know, naked women, and you
and me, Even if you're not saying explicitly this was happening,
like you, we can infer what you're trying to say

(24:39):
is happening at these places, you know, like and I
don't know, like you can't put him in jail for
being freaky, you know, you know you can't do that,
especially if it seems like in Cashie's case and like,
I know, she was young and she has to be
held accountable. I do think that they're to give her
some grace. There is a power dynamic to it where
he has leverage over her career and certain aspects like that,

(25:00):
which makes it easy to say, you know, hey, why
didn't you just leave? But we saw her kind of
try to leave, but he dragged her back into the
room and probably was threatening her and to cut her
finances and ruin her career in some aspects.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
He actually did that.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
So I think it's really if they really are killing
the perception of him to get him, you know, for
other things. Yeah, you know, that's pretty evident in this situation, right,
you know, and he is a terrible human being. I
want to keep saying that he seems to be a
terrible human being for sure, But you can't put him
in jail for being a terrible human being if you

(25:34):
weren't like actually charging him for those specific instances. You're
not charging for that, you're charging for a rico. And
that doesn't seem to be coming together for me in
this situation.

Speaker 8 (25:46):
But we'll see.

Speaker 11 (25:47):
Yeah, yeah, if I'm correct, they were saying that they
were trying to get him for vacca hearing right, and
I'm trying to see how all of this fits together.
And I get it that he has all of the
stuff that they keep bringing up about them, and like

(26:08):
you say, it's all along the lines and some sweepy stuff.
I mean, if we put a camera in much of
these celebrities bedrooms and these hotels rooms, we'll probably find
the whole lot of people that's doing that exacularly, the
same thing that beat it he is doing. But when
you start looking at this public a lens you or

(26:33):
however you want to put it, where you're just putting
people on display. I mean, if you go back in history,
a lot of these other people want to put on
public display like you, Like Jeffrey Einstein, whatever his name is.
People want to put on display like that. And it's
only when it comes to African Americans do they actually
publicize individuals like this. You know, we want you to

(26:54):
see this so you don't get out of line. And
I think there's always this underlying agenda and ort to
keep people in their place, is that look, we're gonna
we're gonna show this day. We're gonna get the biggest
and the baddest people who you think that's the richest
and we're gonna lost them right in front of you.
So you can see, well you don't, you don't get
out of line and you go along with the program.

(27:16):
I mean, we look at it now like they just
came out with a couple of weeks ago that they
after smoking Robinson that.

Speaker 8 (27:22):
Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 11 (27:24):
You know, I'm like, man, baby, it's the same as
Bill Coffey. You're going back but back to the nineteen seventies.
Somebody coming in and I don't know if it's the
nineteen seventies, but come on, this is smoky and you're
going out to his the legacy.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
Now, yeah, I mean, that's that's the that's them O.
I mean it just seems I mean, this is the
thing about you know, you know, it seems that because
we I mean, let's just go back and let's just
be I'm big on herhypocrisy, right, I mean I think

(28:03):
that what's hypocritical about you know, what happens with people
when they put people into power and they give them
that opportunity that the abuse of power is.

Speaker 8 (28:18):
Just rampant in this country.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
I mean, you have to we need to go back
and look at you know the fact that that's how
we became a country.

Speaker 8 (28:32):
What we see.

Speaker 9 (28:36):
PDD doing, especially when it comes to objectifying human beings
and human trafficking, is how we became a nation. America
became a nation by exploiting human capital. They raped our women,

(28:59):
they raped our men, and they raped our children. That's
a fact. That was not something that was sometiming. That
was basically the fabric of American society is the exploitation
of human beings.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
And what is crazy to me.

Speaker 9 (29:26):
Is the fact that we do not set back and
it's almost like we act like none of that ever happened.
They explore the worst part of America. That was the
centuries of that. I mean, that's the majority of what
America was was exploiting and killing and taking advantage of

(29:49):
human beings. That was at the essence and the fabric
of who we are as a society. And the only
way that you can digest, the only way you can
rationalize it is based upon some degree of forgiveness and redemption.

(30:12):
But our government is the most unforgiving people that I've
ever seen when it comes to prosecuting human beings, because
it's not really you know, the choosing who is going
to be the subject of a prosecution or the subject

(30:37):
of an investigation is more important than the investigation of
prosecution itself, right, because the reality of it is is
you can almost prosecute anybody or investigate anybody you can find.

(30:57):
If you can prosecute someone, I mean, it's almost like
they went and it's like, Okay, let's see Diddy, and
let's go in and dig up dirt on them and
figure out a way to prosecute them. That's the way
they prosecute people. They power on as much possible as
they possibly can to get rid of them and put
them away, you know what I mean. That's kind of

(31:20):
the way that they do it. And not only do
they do that, I mean they do that even with
our children. There is no interest in trying to figure
out ways to stop any of this stuff. Diddy is
a very sick individual, right for sure, But he's sick

(31:40):
like a lot of people. The porn industry is profitable
for a reason.

Speaker 8 (31:46):
Right.

Speaker 9 (31:48):
There's move that we've seen shows on HBO, Right, you
know what I mean. I mean, you know, come on, man,
there's freaks all over this country.

Speaker 8 (31:58):
Oh yeah, you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (32:00):
There are They are parties like that all over this country.
He just happens to have enough money that he gets
to have a live show. That's it. He had a
live porno show. Like I'm so rich, I don't have
to rent the DVD. I can just basically just.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
Have to have it right here in my bedroom.

Speaker 9 (32:23):
You see what I'm saying. That's really what happened. But
however it's not. It's not illegal to you know, there's
porno show, there's pornography. You can get it on television
right DVD's all that. You go to Las Vegas and
get it right there. You see what I'm saying. I mean,

(32:48):
you know what I mean. We objectify women all over
the place. Look at regular television. Look at how they
even are young girls. Now you know what I mean.
I mean, look at uh, you know, the way that
they objectify children, the things children are wearing, the thing

(33:08):
children are seeing, right, even the whole idea. I mean,
it's just all over the place. So you know, I mean,
it's the same thing with R. Kelly.

Speaker 8 (33:20):
As R Kelly a sick human being, of course he is.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (33:24):
We knew that R. Kelly married a leiah when he
started in the industry. It's like, oh, you just know
that we knew that he had this thing for young girls,
you know what I mean? So, uh, and now you're
now they did a show what was the name of
the show something R Kelly and R Kelly and he

(33:47):
becomes a subject of an investigation and prosecution because of
a special it wasn't you know what I mean, So
you know they chose to do that. And sometimes I
don't think think I don't think we're our worst enemy.
Sometimes in the crime itself, sometimes we become the worst
enemy in the way that we do each other. I mean,

(34:09):
like if you go to like I'm a YouTube watcher
now and I watch all these podcasts, and all we
do is is hype up the hype, you know what
I mean. I mean, we condemn each other so much
that is crazy, you know what I mean. And that's

(34:30):
the internalized racism that we've basically internalized it to the
point where sometimes we are the overseers in many ways
with some of the stuff that's actually going on. So
I mean, it's it's it's you know, it's crazy, but
it's so true, and you know, and it's crazy.

Speaker 8 (34:52):
I mean, the legacy of Bill.

Speaker 9 (34:54):
Cosby man, no matter I mean Bill Cosby, you know,
the money that he gave to these institutions, the stuff
that the content of of his art, and the fact
that he was committed to producing and showing us, you know,

(35:19):
great content and the greatness of black people, whether you're
talking about the Cosby Show, are a different world.

Speaker 8 (35:27):
Fat Albert.

Speaker 9 (35:28):
The money he gave, I mean, Fisk was like gone
and he gave all I mean, he was really I mean,
so he was doing all these things and here and
and and then and one fell swoop. You know, his
his legacy is just gone.

Speaker 8 (35:45):
I mean, I mean, does you know.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
I mean Bill obviously, like everybody else, is not a
perfect man, but nobody is. And again, you know, you
go back all that time, and then these people all
of a sudden, because you're low hanging fruit, you know,
they went after the bag. He wanted to do the

(36:07):
same thing with Michael Jackson. You know, there's no question
in my mind that Michael was the subject of you know,
they they got together and decided they wanted to go
after Michael Jackson.

Speaker 10 (36:21):
I'm not a conspiracy theorists at all by any measure
at all, but there's one conspiracy I do like subscribe to,
and it is connected to the Michael Jackson thing. Michael
Jackson owned one of the most lucrative music catalogs, the Beatles,
and like Sony, he owned like half a Sony three
four for Sony or anything like that. I've always thought

(36:45):
that the case with him, and you know that the children,
even though there was multiple different accounts where every kid
say nothing happened, nothing happened, nothing happened, that that was
intended to bleed him of his money and half him
eventually sell that catalog. I've always like, sobscribe to that.
That's the one that I will subscribed to for sure.

Speaker 9 (37:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it doesn't I mean, and then
we already know that those little boys, a lot of them,
they already admitted that they lied, you know.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
Because their parents say that type of stuff, right.

Speaker 9 (37:17):
The money that came out of out of the you know,
the situation, the same thing. What you know, Jonathan Major's
you know, I think that that was that was crazy,
you know, I mean it goes on and on. You know,

(37:37):
Tiger Woods, his legacy, you know, I mean, of course
he's still a great golfer.

Speaker 8 (37:42):
But it's just like you know, once you get to that, it's.

Speaker 9 (37:45):
Just like you know.

Speaker 8 (37:49):
It's like you're a whooping boy.

Speaker 9 (37:50):
Once it's you know, we got shedding now right, you know,
in his situation, you know, you're a mark. And I
think that sometimes, you know, you know, we it's a
reality that sometimes that we have to understand that, you know,

(38:13):
we're not making this stuff up. You know, we really aren't.
I mean when it comes to the fact that you're
being targeted in a way that many other people aren't
targeted because I mean, I mean, you know, because I
tell you that well, and I know that this is
Justice Watch, and I just kind of want to just
kind of go from the issue of of how justice.

(38:38):
You know, I'm very, very disappointed in the American justice system.
I just have to be honest with you.

Speaker 8 (38:47):
I mean, every now and then, I mean, you know,
you do.

Speaker 9 (38:50):
Get some justice out of it, and you have to,
but you know it, you know, the way that these
prosecutors prosecute these cases and the way that sometimes you know,
to be honest, sometimes the way these judges make their rulings,
it's just absolutely crazy, you know what I mean. I mean,

(39:12):
because you know, they you get prejudiced, so much because
you have to understand the way these cases, like for example,
you made a great example like kid cutting and you
know the car. I mean, unless they're saying that it
was admissible to show a state of mind, or it's
admissible to show that you know her state of mind.

(39:33):
I mean, it goes on and on, or you know,
it's just like gang cases, right, like they you know,
like gang like you know, a person's gang affiliation should
not be admitted into evidence for any reason because all
it does is that prejudice is the jury or certain evidence.
So that's how that's how they kind of you know,

(39:55):
get things in what can the jury see or maybe
they can hear, like if you testify, Let's say you've
been convicted of a felony and you testify, then they
the jury gets to hear the fact that you've been
convicted of a felony, so you don't testify.

Speaker 8 (40:12):
Is that fair?

Speaker 9 (40:15):
Is it fair that basically they get to hear the
fact that you're you're gang moniker, right or you know
ident you know, like I'm just using that to show
how this thing plays out in real time, you know
what I mean. It doesn't play out the way people

(40:36):
think it plays out, It plays out, and so the
thing is everybody subscribes to it.

Speaker 8 (40:41):
See the whole this is this is.

Speaker 9 (40:46):
You know, I'm old school, and so my interests came
in the law came from the civil rights movement, from
civil rights lawyer. You know, they're a good marshall who's there.

(41:06):
Their objective was to change the law because it was
unfair and it was unjust. But when we get into
the system, we just set there in the system without knowing,
knowing that the system's wrong. What are you going to
do to change it? You know what I mean? And
sometimes you know, that becomes the problem is how do

(41:29):
you get into this system to change it? And even
though we may have black faces that come into the system,
they were pretty much just just you know, unless you're
going And then if you go in and you and
you're setting in a case or ruling, it's like, okay,
let me not rock the boat. And as long as

(41:50):
you're not rocking the boat, nothing actually changes.

Speaker 8 (41:54):
But anyone talk to me, I got a question, sure,
all right, So.

Speaker 10 (42:02):
I do believe that there is you know, buck breaking.
I do believe that some black men in certain levels
are targeted, But I also understand that these men are
also specifically doing things that are negative and harmful to
our community. So, like, let's take the Bill Cosby situation, right,

(42:24):
Bill Cosby, all accounts point to him being a serial rapist,
but he's also done a lot of amazing things for
the black community. Is there a better way to go
about how we handle those situations where there are things
that you know, give to our community that are extremely positive,

(42:45):
where if we just completely excommunicate you, we lose access
to certain things. But at the same time, you're hurting
women within our community too. So it's like, is that
a thing where we focus more on rehabilitation?

Speaker 8 (43:00):
Is that?

Speaker 10 (43:00):
You know, do we send him to jail? Like you know,
I guess we normally do? Like, is there a better
way to go about assessing value?

Speaker 8 (43:11):
I think sometimes what happens in Joe's sinking his head? No?

Speaker 9 (43:16):
I think I think sometimes it's a matter of the
narrative that's created.

Speaker 8 (43:22):
I mean, the problem that we have is that.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
You know, forgiveness and redemption, I would I mean, Okay,
so he's do I believe Let me give you an example.
There was a time, believe it or not, in my opinion,

(43:53):
allegedly that it was very common for men to give
things such as you know, are people in general like
Spanish flies.

Speaker 8 (44:11):
I don't know if anybody remembers that.

Speaker 9 (44:15):
The cocaine, you know, it was you know, it was
a different time and people had a different right, wrong
or otherwise.

Speaker 8 (44:29):
People saw it differently.

Speaker 9 (44:31):
Yeah, back thirty forty fifty years ago, I remember being
a kid and people, you know, they used to you
know that that was a term Spanish fly. People used
to give it to people to get them to do
certain things or to do So we live in a
different time now where there's things that at some point

(44:54):
in society. It's just like when someone tells you right now,
like in America and you bring up slavery, what do
they tell you that was back then?

Speaker 8 (45:04):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (45:06):
It wasn't like this is something that Bill Cosby did
a year prior to him being prosecuted. Some of these
cases were twenty twenty five, thirty years or thirty years ago.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
Some of them were very very old.

Speaker 9 (45:19):
And because of the way that they handle the statue
limitations in these types of cases allowed them to prosecute him.
I think that in the case of Bill Cosby, I
think it's a lot different than the case of P.

Speaker 8 (45:32):
Diddy or some of these other cases in that it
was so old and some.

Speaker 9 (45:39):
Of it I don't believe, okay, And this is what
This is the way I look at it, And people
are probably gonna people are gonna torch me for saying this.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
This is Bill Cosby.

Speaker 9 (46:05):
You know, Oh, I don't think Bill Cosby had to
spike anybody's drink to get them to do what he
wanted them to do. I mean, I you know, I'm
just gonna be honest with you because I know how
people get down I don't you know. So look, it's
just like, okay, I'm just telling you put some responsibility

(46:28):
on it. Sometimes if you come up to my room
allegedly and you wake up because you drank something, and
you must have put something in what you gave me,

(46:51):
and then you come back again because you drank something
and you wake up, Now, how did you know your
drink was spiked? It could have just been what you was,
what was you drinking. Maybe you just got drunk, you know,

(47:12):
or maybe you was maybe it was a line or something.
So the thing about it is for Bill Cosby to
have done this to so many women and nobody really
knew about what Bill Cosby was doing. But every woman
tells you the same story over a period of time.
I mean, you know, it's hard to keep them kind

(47:33):
of secrets in Hollywood and for nobody to get it out.
I mean some of the stuff. It's like with the
situation with Kobe. When you got money, all you have
to do is say somebody did something because.

Speaker 8 (47:46):
They got you. Yeah, yeah, well that's true.

Speaker 9 (47:49):
They got you, man, I mean, when you got whenevery.
I mean, the thing about it is the one thing
that's clear about America is America when it comes to money.

Speaker 8 (47:58):
I mean, come on, man, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
He basically is a serial give you drugs rapist for sure.
I mean, come on, man, I mean, I mean you know,
I mean you know, come on, man.

Speaker 8 (48:16):
I mean the thing about it is, okay, he raped you. Man.

Speaker 9 (48:18):
Not one of those women went to the police. How
many police reports were made? If you if you call
me and somebody says, hey, uncle, Zulu, I went to
so and so's house. I think he drugged and he
raped me. What I'm gonna we going to the police

(48:41):
we're doing? I mean, all these women kept it a
secret all these years, right, and come on, man, I
mean there's god. Okay, Now we live in a you
a woman and a man is the same thing.

Speaker 8 (48:58):
I hear you.

Speaker 9 (48:59):
I mean, okay, So that because this is the thing
that we're gonna have to make a choice. We're gonna
have to make a choice as a society. In my opinion,
I'm all for a man being a man and a
woman being a woman. Everybody I believe in and you

(49:20):
know I'm sounding like a Republican. I believe in the
traditional household. I believe a man has a responsibility. I
don't believe a woman's response. I believe a man's responsibility
is no more important than a woman's responsibility.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
But now we're.

Speaker 9 (49:36):
Going into this error where you know, every nobody is
taking accountability and responsibility and everybody's a victim. You know
what I'm saying. And now the thing about it is
is that come on, I mean, so you know people lie, man.
I mean you, as a man, Look, this is the
thing we're ruining it. If you are a man and

(49:58):
you have something to lose and you are stupid enough
in this day and age to be anywhere by yourself
with a woman, you're stupid.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
Yeah, that's where we are.

Speaker 9 (50:12):
Yeah, I mean I have cameras and I have cameras
in my office because I don't for reasons that has
nothing to do with somebody breaking in my office. If
somebody comes to my office, I say make sure you come. Wife,
please come to the office. I don't want to be
here by myself because all they have to do is

(50:32):
say Zulu did X Y and z. And everybody's gonna
say Zulu did X Y and Z. That's where we are.
I mean, come on, man, just because you say Zulu
did something, then I'm going to presume you know. That's
all they have to do now is say you made
me do this, Yes, over and over and over and

(50:57):
over again, and you have no accountability, no responsibility. Come on, man,
and so you know the first time, the second time.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
Come on man. I hear you.

Speaker 10 (51:09):
And we definitely in a time where the accusation matters
more than anything else. Now alone can kill you, right
because people are just running with you.

Speaker 9 (51:18):
Yeah, that's all they have to say. I just don't
ever look, don't ever be alone with anybody. That's where
we are today.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
I hear you.

Speaker 9 (51:24):
We can't even trust each other, Like, don't ever be
alone if I can give you some advice.

Speaker 8 (51:29):
Don't be alone with no.

Speaker 10 (51:31):
Damn nobody hear you.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
It's just like the dude, all right. So, okay, I
woke up. Oh, I believe I was drugged the night before.
I'm all sex workers on one side, diddies on the
other side. Two days later I wake up. I think
I got drug the sex workers on one side, diddies

(51:54):
on the other side. Two days later I wake up.
I mean, how many times I gotta wake up?

Speaker 8 (52:03):
How many times? I mean, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (52:05):
So I was violated for three months, I was violated
for four months. I was lilad for four years. I
mean you have to I mean, listen, we need to
put pump the brakes, and we need to make sure
where we're going.

Speaker 8 (52:19):
In our society.

Speaker 9 (52:22):
I think we're going the wrong way, and I think
that we're not gonna like what we're gonna end up
with in our society. We cannot trust you. In American
society today, you cannot trust nobody, nobody because all they
have to do is say so and SO did it.

(52:45):
It's just like the situation with you know, Shannon Sharp
and this girl. I mean, okay, you know Shannon messing
around with this little young girl.

Speaker 8 (52:53):
He ain't got no.

Speaker 9 (52:53):
Bitiness messing around with a little young girl, but she
is grown.

Speaker 10 (53:04):
I agree with That's why I try to get to
That's why I try to get to the Joe.

Speaker 9 (53:08):
Kept coming back or why they didn't go to the police.
I disagree with that.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
I agree with ye.

Speaker 9 (53:13):
I disagree with that man, because see, the thing about
it is is that you're supposed to be You're supposed
to be innocent until proven guilty. And I think that
when you come to the issue of at something, what
is consent is did you consent to this? It's like
these people are cool with it until things go wrong,

(53:33):
that's the problem.

Speaker 10 (53:35):
But could it also be that sorted like you know,
you spoken to you were like things used to be okay,
like back then, and then you like now we're like, okay,
things have changed. But could it also be a situation
where you thought that it wasn't an issue at the time,
or maybe you didn't think it was an issue at
the time, and then you learned something later okay that
actually okay, maybe that was not a good thing that
happened to me. Because I can speaking to my situation,

(53:56):
like people like my friends. Now we look back on
things that we were doing, like middle school, and we
can look back at down and be like, that's actually.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
I mean, well she should be charged for calling them
she's she's a co conspirator.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
You know what I'm saying. I mean, I mean, where
does it end? Man?

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (54:15):
I mean god, I mean we have know what, everybody
blames everybody for their actions. That's why we are the
end of society. I mean, you know what I'm gonna
tell you this, This is what I think. I mean,
we're in big trouble.

Speaker 8 (54:29):
Man.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
We can we nobody's accountable for everybody blames. Someone has
to blame someone else for what's going on.

Speaker 8 (54:39):
In their life.

Speaker 9 (54:40):
At some point in time. You have to be responsible
for your own actions at some point in time, you
know what I mean. I mean, But now it's like
we live in a society where it's always somebody else's
It's like, like, Okay, did he made all these people
do all this stuff? Look, I'm gonna I don't care

(55:04):
what you do, Ded, He ain't gonna make me go
to bed with.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
Him, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 11 (55:12):
Yeah, But even but even in his case that even
in this case, this Canty's saying that this has been
going on for over seven eight years, and they was
in different places at different times, and she was scared
to detach herself away from him. I mean, she could
be awaited in another country, but she would always keep

(55:33):
coming back to this situation over and over again. And
that's what's mind boggling to me. I mean, how much
control do you have over a person to the point
where you just don't don't get away.

Speaker 8 (55:46):
I'm telling you, we're saying there are a.

Speaker 11 (55:47):
Lot of money involved with this. There's you know, there's
a lot that goes on. It's even with the r
Kelly situation. How many I mean not saying that that
these individuals is not fit, you know, I'm just not
saying that they're not guilty of what doing. But somebody
has to take more accountability on the opposite side, just
like all the parents that was pushing their children up
under Archelly because of the money.

Speaker 8 (56:09):
I mean, this is the thing. The one thing that's
good about the criminal justice system is that it's the
great equalizer everybody.

Speaker 9 (56:17):
The one thing that's true about the criminal justice system
is that everybody that gets charged has a different opinion
of the criminal criminal justice system until it happens to you,
until that one person says, hey, yeah, we went out
on the day and I did go back to his apartment,

(56:41):
and yet he did take advantage of me. Right, I'm
not gonna I'm legally I should be held to a
standard of I'm going to presume that person to be
innocent until you prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,

(57:03):
because now I'm telling you it. You know, hey, anybody,
and there's look, there's so many people that are in
jail either for something they didn't do or they've been
charged for something that they shouldn't got charged with, because
sometimes the truth is somewhere in between. And now the

(57:26):
message that we're sending is all you have to do
is say he did something. That's all you have to say.
They can dirty you up so easy. And I'm telling you, man,
I mean, you know, because I'm telling there's people that
spend twenty thirty forty years in prison just because somebody

(57:49):
made an allegation that's not true, you know, and we
have to at some point in time. And I understand.
I'm glad that you're making the statement because the way
you feel is a way that a lot of people
feel and we need to make sure that we bring
that to the forefront and understand that, yes, there's someone

(58:09):
is a victim of a crime. If somebody walks in
and pulls out a gun and shoots somebody innocently, or
snatches up somebody innocently and rapes them and that sort
of thing. Yeah, I mean, I'm all for it. I mean,
that's what we have that system for. But I'm saying
we're spending a lot of resources and we are at

(58:30):
a time period in our society where accountability needs to
be in the forefront. I just think that everybody is
a victim now. I think that we're headed into a
bad place.

Speaker 8 (58:44):
Man. I just really think we're headed to the bad place. Man,
I really do.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
And I'm saying that do I believe that Diddy is
I mean, and this goes beyond whether Diddy is guilty
or not. I think a lot of work I'm going
with it is just it's an analysis of the no
diggies like the people in the every day what you
call it. But uh, yeah, man, what y'all think about

(59:11):
the conversation.

Speaker 10 (59:13):
It's a tough one and it takes a lot of nuance.
I think it also. Yeah, it's a tough one. Like
I think that it's very hard to allow of situations
to to say what she would do in a situation
hit the victims in.

Speaker 9 (59:28):
So I'm the four daughters and three granddaughters, so I
get it.

Speaker 8 (59:37):
I think somebody did something to mind. Man, we got
a big problem, of course, of course. But at the
same time, you know, you know, we teach him. You
got a teacher, all right, But at any rate, man,
thank you for the man.

Speaker 9 (59:51):
It's the time went too fast. I wanted to get
on the second end of that one.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
We came back. You came in with that too late. Man.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
All right, well, we appreciate everybody tuning in. We'll see
you next next week's same time, same place, same channel.
Until that time, stay blessed.

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