KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 8 Jun, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 8 Jun, 2025

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Speaker 2 (04:54):
Ok C A a.

Speaker 8 (05:02):
Thank you for tuning in for this edition of Justice
Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
I am Attorney.

Speaker 8 (05:06):
Zulu Ali with a Justice Watch crew, Rose of nu Yez,
Michael Blau Clark, Doctor Kilbasher, Anger, Rodeman, Ryan Rhodes.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
This week, like every week, we'll be.

Speaker 8 (05:16):
Discussing critical legal and social justice issues that are impacting
our communities.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
This week, we'll be talking.

Speaker 8 (05:24):
About the immigration policies, the ice rays, and the civil
unrest in Los Angeles. Right now, what's going on super
producing Oh my goodness, simmy, what's.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Going on down there in LA?

Speaker 8 (05:43):
I mean, I know that there's a lot of lot
going on. I guess we'll start there, and then we'll
back up and talk a little bit about the policies.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I guess that ignited all of this. What do you
think about that?

Speaker 9 (05:55):
Well, there's definitely some civil unrest due to the massive
deportations that have been added on by the Trump administration currently.
We know that this past weekend there's been a lot
of ice activity in different communities around LA and you know,
it being a sanctuary city, sanctuary counties, that's definitely something
that sparked a lot of outrage, you know, between different

(06:17):
community members. And that's what we're seeing today. We're seeing
a lot of civil.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Unrest, right that's your city now.

Speaker 10 (06:25):
Yeah, I saw the protest on the way up here,
and yeah, people are definitely angry and rightfully angry. But
I'm glad to see the resistance and the strong resistance
there is, Like really people are uniting over this, and
I'm happy. I'm glad to see that.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
We'll say you below.

Speaker 11 (06:44):
Well, it's five minutes away from me, so I'm saying
the results of it and the area in which is
hitting right now is not It's not are for it
to happen over there. I mean, they based a weaponized
in themselves and it's not a good look as to

(07:04):
what's going on that it's going to be you know,
peaceful outcome. It's not looking for it.

Speaker 8 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think that I mean,
for people who don't know what's happening right now, is
that there has been protests relative to the the policies
regarding immigration rates, detentions, and removal of individuals. And in
light of that here, of course, LA is supposed to

(07:35):
be a sanctuary city. However, the federal government is obviously
utilizing and abusing its power to go into places such
as schools, workplaces. They're actually going into courts, state courts
as well as they're actually snagging people in actually immigration court,

(07:58):
you know, while they're going through their proceedings. So, I mean,
it's just, you know, a lot going on, especially after
the President has granted asylum and refuge status to people
to white people in South Africa because allegedly they are
being mistreated and harmed in South Africa. And just to

(08:24):
speak on that a little bit, I think that there's
been credible sources state that these primarily are supposed to
be farmers, right, and there's actually there were a lot
of black South Africans that were killed during this this
issue an incident. However, they're only allowing certain individuals to

(08:45):
come into the country, and so I kind of just
want to talk a little bit about or give some
reality to really what's going on with the immigration issue
in the United States. I know that there's this idea
that basically all these criminals are just coming across the border,
and that basically all these individuals have you know, avoided

(09:10):
the legal process in order to come into the country
for the purposes of just destroying our democracy right.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
Now.

Speaker 8 (09:21):
I mean, the issue with immigrants coming into this country,
the first and foremost is that it's probably one of
the most hypocritical.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Policies that we've ever had.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
And the hypocrisy comes from the fact that, you know,
that's how the country was started was through immigration, and
obviously it wasn't lawful immigration because it was, for the
lack of better term, it was an invasion of taking
over someone else's country. And actually a lot of the

(09:51):
individuals who are being who are being excluded are actually
individuals who lived on this continent before the arrival of
the Europeans.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
So let's just go there.

Speaker 8 (10:05):
And when you look at the immigration policy at least
up until nineteen sixty five, probably anywhere from eighty five
to ninety percent of the immigrants that actually came into
the United States were from Europe. Nineteen sixty five, I
think probably somewhat piggybacking changes to the Immigration and Nationality.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
Act as well as.

Speaker 8 (10:30):
And a lot of the changes to immigration actually piggybacked
the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four. And so
you have more individuals who have come to the United
States for different reasons, but primarily reasons that are akin
to the reasons that Europeans came here. They came here
to avoid humanitarian issues that may exist that existed in

(10:55):
their country, seek in a better life. And that's what
many of these immigrants, if not all of them, ultimately
came here to the United States seeking the same thing
that the Europeans actually came the Europeans such as Donald
Trump's family as as well as his wife. And so,

(11:16):
you know, I think that now that we're looking at
we're trying to figure out Okay, So I mean, I
know that people have developed, you know, through some a
lot of it is ignorance about their idea that the
immigrants are coming to this country and they're taking the jobs,
they're basically committing crimes, they're doing all of these negative things.

(11:37):
But to basically take this broad brush and paint all
immigrants as being the same individuals is very ignorant, for
the lack of a better term, and so, and that's
kind of how they've they've they've done that, and so
there's also this whole issue you got to figure that

(11:57):
what as far as the numbers of immigrants that are
in the United States today, we're looking at a number
of approximately what forty eight forty nine million in the
United States of immigrants in this country, and many of
those individuals, obviously are from some of them are actually

(12:19):
from Europe, you know, Canada, different parts.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Of Europe, who obviously.

Speaker 8 (12:24):
There is not the same type of enforcement against those
individuals as they are from people from Latin America, Mexico,
as well as Asia and some other places. I mean,
I think it's a lot it's primarily focused on brown
people and black people. I mean, that's kind of what

(12:46):
they're doing. And you know, as far as the policy,
so this is kind of so that we can understand
how immigration works. I mean, basically, there are individuals who
come into this country Some of them come with inspection,
some come without inspection. Some have been here from twenty
thirty forty years. Some of them were actually brought here

(13:07):
as children by their parents in this country. So, I mean,
it's you know, there's so many. Some of them have
served in the military, some of them want to serve
in the military.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
But the whole idea of the.

Speaker 8 (13:21):
Fact that these individuals are just coming to the United
States to destroy our country, then you know that's just
completely untrue.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Right, Were you getting ready.

Speaker 9 (13:33):
To say someone, Yeah, I mean we've seen it throughout history.
Right when we talk about Latinos in this country, right
where they're at as just in general as a group, Right,
there's thirty six million eligible voters as of twenty twenty four.
It's the fastest growing voting block in battleground states. Not
to mention, Latinos were one of the ones that helped

(13:55):
flip the states like California, like Arizona, and Georgia. They
contributed to three point two two trillion GDP to the US,
larger than India itself. They represent over twenty five percent
of the US labor force. Right, and if when we
think about new businesses opening up in the United States,
Latinos account for fifty percent of those new businesses opening up.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Right.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
So when we look at history, any time that a
minority group has tried or has attempted to really meddle
with right, or meddle with just in general, the primary
white supremacist agenda, white nationalist agenda, then there's retaliation.

Speaker 7 (14:33):
Right.

Speaker 9 (14:34):
When we talk about the reconstruction area, the reconstruction era,
we had Jim crolaws with Black Americans. When we talk
about Chinese Americans, right, we had the Chinese Exclusion Act.
When we talk about Mexicans as well, back in the
nineteen fifties, we talk about Operation Wetback, which is similar
to what we're seeing nowadays. So when we see any
group in history, right, any minority group that is really

(14:55):
trying to kind of tip over right the scale of
maybe becoming a majority in any sort of sector in
the United States, and that's when we have retaliation. And
I think that's what we're seeing today.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (15:09):
And I think also another part of that is just
the importance of like, well, well yeah, the importance of
just like narratives, you know, and preaching these narratives towards
certain groups of people, you know, you realize as time
goes on that not as many people are as educated
on these topics as you would like to think. So
when you have you know, the president, when you have
you know, these people on Fox News and major news

(15:31):
outlets preaching these ideas that these people are taking your
jobs and their you know, criminals and rapists and things
like that, like more people are not are going to
listen to those things and actually do the research and
then to figure out what's actually going on. And unfortunately
you see that play a major part and things that
we're seeing like today.

Speaker 11 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, and then reality of people are feed into,
you know, all the negativity that media is pumping out.
It's just like the other day where they went to
home depot. You know, these individuals are sitting there trying
to make an honest omission, you know, And I just
don't understand how people feed into this and they realize

(16:15):
how much they're commonly you know, a need, there's a need,
you know, and that to paint people as as as criminals,
as cartel memos and stuff in order to you know,
to achieve their agenda. I just think that you know,
people are are kind of like figured out, you know,

(16:38):
because they know what Trump's agenda is. But I think
that that we're missing a big picture because I think
it's it's something bigger going on behind this, and that
that this is all intentional, and I think that it's
not going to end right, Yeah, is.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Gonna say something.

Speaker 8 (16:55):
Yeah, So I mean I think that yeah, and there's
a bigger I mean, the human rights violations that go
along with all of this is something that kind of
tends to not make it self to the forefront.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
I mean, what you have.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
In many of these cases, especially when you're talking about families,
you know, oftentimes you have US citizen children, many of
them who are are minors, or even babies who have
US citizen not US citizen, but undocumented parents. And then

(17:30):
you begin to start you know, what do you do
about that? I mean, is it really the way to
go about just detaining someone or expeditiously removing this individual
and rating and taking I mean, there is no there's
no urgent situation to any of this. I mean, these
things can be allowed, the due process to go through,

(17:51):
allow these individuals to be able to you know, we
during the Obama administration and he was used in this
executive order because obviously they wouldn't do anything with Congress
when he was in office, right, And you know, we
have DACA, which is a program that allows children who

(18:14):
came to the United States at a certain age to
be able to at least get a work permit and
stay in the country without being removed. He also was
in the process of doing what was called DAPPA. Now
this was something similar. However, this was for the parents
of US citizen children who could also utilize a program

(18:37):
that would allow them to do, for the lack of
a better term, earn you know, status. It excluded individuals
who had been convicted of certain crimes, specifically aggravated felonies
or crimes that were considered to be crimes of moral
al turpitude. So the individuals that would be benefiting from

(18:58):
these programs would be individuals who were, you know, engaged
in any type of unjust or who were engaged in any
kind of criminal activity. What also is a problem with
what they're doing is, you know, these detention facilities that
they're utilizing, people are being abused, being abused by ICE agents,

(19:23):
being subjected to you know, what do we do about
those individuals? I mean, just because someone is not here,
is here undocumented, then it does not just like anyone
that's accused of something that it does not justify them
to being treated inhumanely. And I think that what happens

(19:45):
is that, you know, it puts a black eye on
America for the world to see that we're mistreating human
beings just simply because they came into our country looking
for a better life, which is what's going on with
the majority of these individuals, and they just have not
been able to get their status for one reason or another.

(20:06):
And it's not easy. It's a very difficult and it's
a very long process that these individuals have to go through.
And the Immigration and Nationality Act needs to be modified
and changed that would allow people more of an opportunity
to earn their citizenship.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
You know.

Speaker 8 (20:27):
And there's no reason to raid and take someone into custody.
There's another way that you can do it. Unless it's
an individual is someone who is you know, has committed
some sort of criminal offense, then why not give them
like they cite them, give them a court date and
give them an opportunity to address their issues without making

(20:48):
things difficult for them or separating these children who are
taken away from Now we're you know, we're talking about criminals.
So now you're taking a child, and many of these
places that they put some of these children, a lot
of these children are being subjected to rape, you know,
the mental torture of taking a child away from their

(21:09):
parent who basically is doing nothing except working to try
to make a better life for their child. And you know,
there's nothing wrong with that, you know what I mean?
I think that we all there's not a human being
that let's just assume, and you know, we might be

(21:29):
fleeing the country one of these days in light of
what we've been going through with our president. And you know,
anybody is going to do whatever they can to feed
their family. And as long as someone is trying to
try in some way, somehow to make a legitimate live
and to feed their family, then you know, how much
can you condemn them for that? And in many cases,

(21:52):
that's really all they're trying to do. They're trying to
come They got families, they're trying to feed their families.
They're trying to take care of their wives, they're trying
to take care of their children, and we're demonizing them
in a way that we shouldn't for you know, for
that reason, we got people who really are committing criminal
offenses that aren't even being treated the same way that

(22:13):
these individuals are being treated. You know, Again, no matter
what side of the fence you are on this issue,
I think that you, you know, any degree of humanity
would have to agree with the fact that these individuals
should be able to get some sort of due process
without going and taking a child out of school, or
without or without going out and taking some snatching somebody

(22:33):
from their job, or without you know, going to you know,
court where somebody hasn't been convicted, but just simply because
they have to be in court and snatching them up
at court.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
It's just not the right way to do things.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
I mean, I think that if you take a moment
and you look at the optics of what's happening in
this process, it reminds you of a country that was
doing certain things or countries that were doing certain things
that we would that any rational person would consider to
be inhumane. And that's the issue that we got going

(23:08):
on right now. With the way that they're doing it.
They're completely they're doing it wrong, I mean, and it
is what it is. There's absolutely nobody that's saying Hey,
I want somebody to come over here that's going to
be a rapist or robber or a murderer. Right, nobody
wants a rapist, robber, or murderer. But we we gived rapists,

(23:29):
robbers and murderers due process our presidents.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
I mean, and that, yeah, you got to look at
it like that, so you know, so again, I mean,
I just think that you know, we just we you know,
we drank the kool aid too easy in this country,
and and they've dumbed this down so that whenever we
hear a narrative, we just jump on it without reading,
you know, without reading and trying to understand what's going

(23:56):
on for ourselves.

Speaker 9 (23:59):
Definitely, and I think that's what's lacking critical thinking, I
think with social media and so many voices right wanting
to have our ear, I think that's definitely something that
you know, we see the effects of, especially with what's
happening and all the narratives that are being put out there.

Speaker 10 (24:15):
Yeah, yeah, critical critical thinking and empathy lack of EmPATH Yeah,
I think that we as you know, the last I mean,
it's been this way for a while, but for sure,
I would say the last four to eight years with
like you know, the Trump administration and just that situation,
like we just are angrier now, we're angry at each other,
We're more divisive, and I feel like, you know, this

(24:38):
is a major part of that because you know, you
were talking about humanity and just like seeing other people
get you know, families getting ripped up and all those
type of things, and there seems to be a lot
of people who just don't care about those things. And
it's just like unfortunate that we've gotten to a point
where you can see some of the worst, more most
heartbreaking things happening, and you know, you turn your eye

(24:59):
to you turn your head to it. And I'm you know,
I'm worried about that as far as the future goes,
because I really don't know, you know, for this new generation,
they seem a lot more numb and just you know,
I don't know, they just don't really care about, you know,
the people next to them as much as they they should.
Community is being lost in that way.

Speaker 8 (25:21):
I think that what happens is I think that sometimes
you know, you know, history repeats itself, and sometimes unfortunately
we don't learn from history. And I'm I'm you know,
the the issue that I have outside of the fact
that you know, I don't want I don't want us

(25:42):
to lose. I want the president to do the right thing.
I want our government to do the right thing. I mean,
we all want what is right because I think that
what's on the other side of this is that we're
creating our demand, and I think that we don't understand

(26:02):
it until. Like I mean, you know, you can call
it karma, you can call it whatever you want. But
I think that eventually, you know, as my kids, as
one of my kids used to say when they were
very small, Daddy, they gonna get it. When they get it,
they're gonna get it good. And you know, that's what happens.

(26:26):
I mean, I don't think that these individuals. We also
talked about the fact that I believe that there are
when you were talking about seeing the demographics of the
country change, and all of this is centered around make
America great again, where we're going back to this situation
where people are fearful of a country that clearly is
changing in a way that is going to be different.

(26:49):
I mean, we talk about people who you know, we're out,
you know, the minorities, meaning which you will soon be
the majority are outpaced with with bird, with population, and
and and soon you will see the majority become the minority.
And there's people who are are deathly concerned with that.

(27:13):
And you know, people you heard different stories about. I
heard this thing with Dave Chappelle when he said that
a star was born. When they was having a discussion
with Hillary Clinton during the debates, when they talked about
the issue of tax codes, and you know how he
was going to help his rich and friends become, you know,

(27:38):
more wealthy. But when he became when he became the
front runner, was the day that he said he was
going to build a wall. He hit a nerve with people,
because that's what people are concerned about. They are concerned
with the demographics of this country changing and that maybe
one day it may not be a country where people
perceive themselves to have a privilege. And all of this,

(28:01):
whether you're talking about the abortion issue, whether you're talking
about like, all these major issues are all centered around
like DEI immigration, you know, all those things are centered
around a like a backdoor supremacist you know agenda, you

(28:22):
know what I mean. So why why would you as
a president of the United States, you know, make it,
make it part of your agenda or priority to get
rid of diversity or any type of education has to
do with African Americans and minority people. What what would
be the purpose of that. The second thing is why

(28:43):
would you be so concerned about an immigration policy that's
not going to really change? You know, they're not going
to be able to do what they they don't even
have as much as people think they have the resources,
they don't have it. They don't have a resources to
deal with this policy. And generally it's for optics more

(29:04):
than it is for anything.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Else, you know.

Speaker 8 (29:07):
So you know when you look at all these things
that that they're doing, some of the things he wants
to do as far as policing as it relates to
you know, police abuse, police abuse in their powers, all
these things.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
The same thing with Roe v.

Speaker 8 (29:21):
Wade it, you know, it's all a plot to make
it least the individuals who are concerned, which is apparently
a lot of people concerned about the demographics of this
country changing. And it's like a train and they're doing
everything they can to stop it. And he's the guy
that they're putting in to try to stop the train.

(29:44):
And you know, I know this is another note. Then
you got him in Eline knew, didn't we say him
and Elon was going to have a problem.

Speaker 10 (29:50):
It was inevitable.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
Inevitable, Uh, I mean I knew that was getting ready
to happen. Yeah, you know what I mean, white on
white crime, right, I mean they yeah, they getting ready
to go. They going at it bad anything. Yeah, he
said he got and you know, it might be a

(30:13):
problem for you're born, which one Elon musk might be
a problem for you're born.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I stay the opposite.

Speaker 10 (30:20):
I mean, I don't know what Elon had information Elon
has access to Also, he seems like kind of a
wild card, So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Yeah, better put a noose on him.

Speaker 8 (30:32):
He better wake up in the morning with a with
a horsehead in his bed like on the Godfather, if
you want to set him well, because that looked like
that might be a problem, you know. So I mean
it is just seen, you know. And the thing is
that basically on one hand, you know, I think that
sometimes I look at it from this perspective, you know,

(30:55):
I mean there's a lot of anger, and I understand
the anger.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
There's a lot of motion. I understand the emotion.

Speaker 8 (30:59):
Because people's as we speak, their lives are being turned
upside down, both you know, children and families. But at
the same time, you know, it's sad that people are
that heartless. That's what the sad part is, because that's

(31:22):
that's really you know the fact that you have people
that are that heartless and no matter what you say
to them. And in my religion, there's actually an ayat
that talks about you know, when you put available person's
eyes and ears and no matter what you say to them,

(31:43):
they'll never understand it. And we're just dealing with people who,
unfortunately they can't understand humanity. And that's a sad situation
because you know the and you know, we see those people,
you know, like you know, no matter what you say
to them, they can never you know, it would be
you think that all I would have to do is

(32:05):
tell you that, hey, this is a child and there
you know, their their family, They're gonna be separated from
their family. It would make any human being stop, you know,
in their tracks and be concerned about you know, I'm
gonna do. I don't want to see children in a
situation like that, right, and how can we figure it out?

(32:30):
But we don't we don't even have those. We have
people in power that don't even have the ability and
you know, and I hate to say that, I just
feel like they don't have the ability to comprehend humanity.
I think that they're they're diabolical and you know, they're
like the vampires and sinners.

Speaker 9 (32:51):
Well, yeah, because the way in which they came to
power wasn't humane itself. I mean, you think about the
United States and why it's you know, an empire, massive
genocide everywhere, and what we're doing here today is what
we do in other countries.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yeah, I know. Yeah, are the chickens coming home to roost? Blown?

Speaker 9 (33:14):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (33:15):
I don't know. You know, you're not a question. Do
you think that the way he's going about is do
you think he's purposely going about it this way to
create some form of chaos? Because he's just released a
report where he's saying that he ordered the two thousand
truths because for the next thirty days ICE is going

(33:38):
to be in California and that any politician interfered with it,
they will be held accounting them. And I'm looking at
the fact that he's aiming at California and the way
that he's doing it, and I'm just wondering if there's
something behind his agenda, you know, to create this chaos,
or he just didn't have this dictatorship mindset.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
I think he has a dictatorship monster. I think something
is you know, is.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Wrong with him for sure.

Speaker 8 (34:09):
I mean, I really don't think that he's capable of
under I mean what I'm saying is like, look, as
I said before that America, I mean, I think that
we got got it twisted when we come when it
comes to understanding America. I think that what we have

(34:33):
to realize is that America became at some point in time,
it was starting to become a great nation. And the
reason why America was becoming a great nation is not
the reason why he believes it became a great nation.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
It became a great nation.

Speaker 8 (34:55):
Because of the same people that he's condemning, like black
people and what we did to I mean, look, there's
a reason why other people started coming to the United
States after nineteen sixty five. There's a reason only Europeans
was primarily coming to the United States, or at least

(35:17):
the largest number of people coming to the United States
were Europeans. All of the things that we have in
this country, and the real idea of it being the
land of hope and opportunity was that people died in

(35:38):
foreign lands and people died in the streets of this
country to try to make America understand that we wanted
to be treated equally, and through that process the Civil
Rights Acts and different things that people went through, and
people that were being hung and people that we're being killed,

(36:00):
and people that were being drug out of their houses,
and for people just being killed just for setting that
lunch counters. These people had this idea that they wanted
to be treated like a regular assistant citizen and not
a second, third, or fourth or no citizen at all,
citizen at all. That's how America. That is the idea
of America. Now, that's the America that I enlisted in

(36:23):
the Marine Corps and that I'll fall for. Right, that's
the America that I see. And that's the great America
that say, look, you know, we fought for this house.
This is not just your house, this is my house too.
And there's people who fought for this house. And you
cannot come up and say, hey, I'm making America great

(36:43):
again because this don't belong to you, right, this belonged
to us because we did something to get where we are, right,
not just you, right, And so I think that's where
he gets it twisted. Now he's still in the house.
It's not his house. They stole the house to begin with.

(37:04):
But we're trying to We tried to make things fair
and make things equal and try to literally make it
make it live up to its ideas and its promises. Right,
That's that's what we did. And now you have people
who are coming in and they're basically trying to rob
us of our home. Like I mean, let me make it,

(37:27):
make it perfectly clear, and I'm gonna make it really
really clear right now, this is not your house, right,
I mean, just understand that this is not your house,
and we can have that conversation and I can talk
to you at anytime any place wherever you want to.
This is not your house, right. You just came in here, right.

(37:50):
So the idea that they make us feel like it
doesn't belong to us and let's make America great again,
and it belongs to No, it don't belong to you, right,
you know what I mean. I'm like, g money, right,
you didn't do this ish by yourself, right, So you
know we have to make sure that we make you know,
don't make them feel like you cannot feel like a

(38:12):
stranger in your own home, right, And so you know
all this that you're doing, I mean, it's just like
I mean, you know, and it's it's it's amazing because
you see, you know, the worst thing and I tell
and we talked and allow me and you and Rose
have heard me to say it before. The worst thing
that you can do is give a nobody power because

(38:35):
nobody will always destroy it. That is, it never fails, right,
and he needs power. This is this is what makes
him exist. He needs it, right And and the reason
why he's doing it is because if you if you
if you don't, if you know how to deal with power,

(38:57):
if you are somebody, it's easy.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
To get people follow you. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (39:01):
Right, Yeah, you're spot on. Like I said before, I mean,
and like I've heard it said. You know, borders, you know,
we didn't cross borders. Borders crossed us. You know, they
stole Arizona, they stole California, they still New Mexico. We're standing,
We're all standing on our land, you know, like it
belongs to all of us, and not only that, but

(39:22):
to that extent of what you're talking about power. Right,
I think these policies, these border policies are are about
control and specifically why California. Right, we know California as
one of the most liberal states in the Union. Right,
So I think he's really trying to implement the Shakanaw
doctrine that we've heard before, where he's trying to destabilize,

(39:44):
so almost almost like a theater, right for the nation
to see, this is what can happen to you should
you not follow what I'm trying to tell you to do.
I don't care if you're in California. I don't care
if you're in Texas. I don't care what state you're in.
But this is a Shakanaw aspect to to to doing
things and gaining power in disciple state, stabilizing us so

(40:05):
much that we believe that we don't have power in community,
that we believe that we don't have power to retaliate.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (40:13):
I mean, yeah, that's that's it's agenda. I mean, he
he definitely loves that that power. I mean, like I said,
I mean, he's really and you know, it's like it's
like the same thing, right, It's it's it's it never
fails that you have some I mean, what has he
ever really done? He said his daddy only gave him
like a few million dollars to get started. So he's

(40:34):
a self made man, you know how self You know
what I mean, I mean, it is, it is what
it is. I mean, you can, I can, I can
tell you. I can tell a mile away who you
really are whenever I deal with I mean, it's just
like I mean, being a lawyer and looking at judges,
I can tell by the way a judge judge acts
whether there's somebody or not, because I mean, you know,

(40:54):
you make the robe. The robe doesn't make you. You
make the office. The office doesn't make you. And it's
the same thing with everything. We just have nobodies that
come to power and then they do these sort of things, right,
you know, it's just like you know, I just be honest.
I mean, just think about the fact that nobody in

(41:15):
his entire family has ever served in the military. Right,
and to look at the way that he treats his commanders, right,
look at the way that he talked about John McCain.
You can think what he I mean, John McCain, I mean,
I obviously don't believe in his politics, but the last
thing I would do is disrespect his military service. And

(41:35):
the fact that you would do that, and now that
shows you the different type of class of person. Then
there's there's there's serious serious. As he said himself, I
have fundamental differences between Barack Obama, but he's a great
American who I just have differences with. Now, John McCain
was a prisoner of a prisoner of war who basically
was heroic in the matter in which he conducted himself

(41:58):
when he served. Now as an accident that he said
something like that about Barack Obama and that that Trump
said that that baraco, that Barack Obama was not even
a US citizen, and disrespecting him and disrespecting his wife,
and then we cool with that. So so we're going
to allow this man that disrespected a war hero, a

(42:22):
military hero, and but were cool with what he said
about Colin Kaepernick, right, right, We're not you know, we're
mad at Colin Kaepernick, but we're not. But what we're what,
we're cool with what he said about John McCain. I've
said that over and over and over again, that should
have just shot at either well, There's only one person
that should be happy that, uh, John, that Donald Trump

(42:46):
is a president of the United States, and that's George Bush,
the second one because before Trump came into office, we
thought that George Bush was terrible.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Now George Bush is like, dude, I'm gonna say you
see what I'm saying, you know.

Speaker 8 (43:01):
So it's just it's just crazy. I mean when you
see this stuff play out. But I think sometimes we
have to back up. We have to understand, and we
have to see who's who who we have this that's
that's a nobody. He has to do whatever he can
to show his power, you know what I mean, that's
you know, just think about someone you know, I've been

(43:21):
around people like that.

Speaker 9 (43:22):
Oh yeah, Like what they say in security is loud,
confidence is quiet.

Speaker 8 (43:26):
Absolutely, And so that's that he's and that's exactly who
he is.

Speaker 11 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
So I have a question for you guys, like as
we I mean, it's crazy we're only six months into
this this residency.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
He got a long way to go.

Speaker 10 (43:43):
How how in this new i mean, his second term,
are we going to deal with this nobody being in office?
Like as he's you know, just using his power in
this way. What's the best way to go about dealing
with him.

Speaker 8 (43:56):
I think that what, you know, what's happening in our country,
and it's unfortunate, but I believe that our country is
going to begin to start spiraling out of control. I
think we're going to begin to lose our status as
a superpower. Nobody looks up to us anymore. We saw

(44:17):
when he went to the was it the funeral of
the Pope? Yes, And we saw how the other country
reacted to him, but how some of the other leaders,
are heads of state, were treated because you know, it's like,
you know, what he's done is he has basically destroyed

(44:42):
the legacy of the country, you know what I mean.
I mean, and you know to the extent that we
had other countries that were envious of us. I think
that there are out those out there that wanted to
see us fall that says he's the perfect guy.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 8 (44:57):
I mean, he's really the guy that we need to
be in office because he's basically and then you know,
and what's crazy. This is what I used to add,
and I said this before, you know, when I was
a kid, I used to ask myself this question. I
used to say, after we saw roots. I know you
guys may not ever seen roots because y'all kind of young,

(45:17):
But I would say, how did I understood that there
were people who own slaves? But I'm like, how could
so many people allow that to happen?

Speaker 4 (45:30):
It just blew me away.

Speaker 8 (45:31):
I'm like, how did these people allow that institution to happen?
I mean even as a little kid. And now I
know because I see what they're doing, what these people
are doing in support of Donald Trump exactly. So it's like, okay,
so now I see, I see exactly what's up.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
You see what I mean?

Speaker 8 (45:49):
And then the thing about it is is that basically
the only way that you can really honestly accept the
fact that America was becoming a great nation is you
have to have some degree of forgiveness and redemption. If
you did not believe in forgiveness and redemption, there's absolutely

(46:11):
no way that you could consider America a great nation.
That would have to be part of the agenda. But
now what we're seeing is America is the most unforgiven
country that you could be in, right, I mean, these people,
It's like, okay, so everybody is into punishing, but until

(46:36):
you start talking about, well, America has a debt to
pay Big one, right, and one day they're gonna pay it.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
You know what I mean. I mean, nobody gets away
never right, You see what i mean. I'm just I'm like,
is it Michael Corleone? Every time I try to.

Speaker 8 (46:57):
Get out, man, they pulled me back in. Nobody gets away.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Man.

Speaker 8 (47:02):
When you got dirt on your hands like that, you
know it's gonna come to pass man, you know, I
mean one day. And the thing is that, basically, this
is the sad part about America is we had our chance.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
Man.

Speaker 8 (47:17):
It's like when someone says there and tell you we're
you know, it's like you had this. You you had
a chance to be the greatest nation in a lot
for a very long time. And now you know, uh,
you know, God only gives so many opportunities. And now
what you're gonna do is you're going to destroy it.

(47:42):
You just basically took everything and you're destroying it. And
you've been given that opportunity. God shows his hands in
so many different ways. He even showed us during what
was it called the back in twenty twenty we had
what was the COVID You know God gave God was like,
look let me show you my power. I'm gonna shut

(48:05):
this ish down, right everything, And that's what he did.
I'm like, oh man, you know God's really you know,
like whoever thought they say I can shut you down?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
You down?

Speaker 8 (48:16):
You can't do nothing. I shut down Vegas, right, I
shut down everything. I'm gonna make you go inside, and
I'm gonna sit here and let the world watch, right,
this terrible, diabolical act. Everybody sitting home, they watched George
Floyd right, the whole world saw what we're doing. And

(48:38):
instead of us taking that as an opportunity to say
God controls everything and God is giving you a chance,
then what did we do? As soon as he let
his knee off of our neck? Then what do we do?
Go right back and do the same thing. And you know,
I think that people just they forget out about it.

(49:00):
And he was a president at the time. Yes, you
see what I'm saying. He got into the president. He's like,
let me just shut this down because I know what
he's doing. I know what type of person he is,
so let me really expose it and shut it down
before he could even even get worse, right, literally, he
shut us down. Who would ever think that that could happen.

(49:23):
Didn't nobody invade us, didn't nobody.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Come and do anything to you?

Speaker 8 (49:27):
He said, may get your butt back in the house,
and you're gonna stay there, and I'm not gonna let
anything happen until you realize it. And then you know,
God gives you a sign. You know, we think God
gives signs in different ways, but that was a sign
for sure, that's right, and we just didn't pay no
attention to it.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Now what do we do.

Speaker 8 (49:47):
We go right back to the crack house, right and
getting get him right back in the office right, and
now look, you see what I mean, You know what
I mean. We're just like what did Chris Rock play
in New jack City?

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Pooky Pooky? So we did a pooky on right.

Speaker 8 (50:05):
We were right back to the ground as soon as
he gets back in the office. And here we are
again dealing with the same thing. We knew what we
was gonna do, what was gonna happen, and the same people.
We people were losing all kinds of stuff. And then
and then here we are and now we're seeing this
thing play out in a real way.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
When it comes to.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
You know, when you go to the I say when
you you know, how you know what kind of country
you're in. Go to the borders and go to the prisons,
and I can tell you exactly what type of country
you're in.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
It.

Speaker 8 (50:37):
Is there a reason why we're detaining children? Is there
a reason why we have such, you know, overly populated prisons,
more than any developed country in the world. Is that
an accident, That's not an accident. That's that's that's you know,

(50:59):
that's show on who you are, you know. And sometimes, man,
you know, you got to look in the mirror and
you gotta change until unless it gets too late and
it looks like that's what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (51:10):
Sure you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (51:13):
Yeah, tell me how you treat the most suppressed person, right,
and I'll show you who.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
You are, right. I mean, that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (51:20):
Nobody can feel like, okay, we we need to get
them out, you know, and it's like, you know, they
they toothless and don't know what they talking. I'm sorry
if you're toothless. I don't mean to offend it, but
you know what I mean. But I mean, come on, man,
I mean you you know, I mean, we got the
Internet and everything right now, so you know, we got
to be a little bit more smarter about it. But yeah,

(51:41):
I mean, it's just it's just crazy. I mean, you
have to feel for these These are human beings, you
know what I mean. So, and your crime is that
you came across and you're working every day, you're not
paying taxes. I was reading a post that my aunt
showed me earlier. It's like, you know, they're using RS
records to find people, but supposed that they're not paying.

Speaker 9 (51:58):
Taxes exactly, how the irony right?

Speaker 8 (52:01):
They're not working, but you're going to jobs and picking
them up exactly, you know.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
I mean, you know it's crazy to me.

Speaker 11 (52:09):
Yeah, and we're definitely not an example from what's coming
down the pipe because it's happened to others. And I
believe that we're closer than ever right now. We're closer
ever than we've ever been in the history of this
country to internal turnoire. And I think other countries are
sitting back and saying, we don't have to do nothing,

(52:30):
We just sit back and watch this idiot.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (52:34):
I mean, you know, you let them join, they're probably
they would these people were probably put on a.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Uniform and fight for you.

Speaker 8 (52:41):
But we're turning all these people away, and some of
them are probably more, to be honest, are probably more
patriotic than people who were born in this country. Yes,
I mean, I mean, I'm sure they're not going to
be avoiding it, like the president did you know what
I mean? So you know, but that's crazy. Somebody said

(53:03):
your guests are so special. Yeah they are. He said,
come in. That's crazy. What you think, Joe, huh, what
you think? But that's you know, I'm telling you man.
But as far as these protesters are concerned that he's
gonna go in and gonna call in a national guard.

Speaker 9 (53:23):
Yeah, they're already here.

Speaker 10 (53:24):
Apparently he said he's gonna He said that he doesn't want,
like the governor anybody to stort to push back on it,
or he's gonna like it's gonna be like critical for them.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
So he's making threats.

Speaker 11 (53:39):
Yes, yeah. And he said that if your cold Chester,
you cover your face legal?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
If what if your protest and you cover your.

Speaker 11 (53:47):
Face, Yes, he made it legal protesters to cover their faith.

Speaker 9 (53:52):
Wow, never mind the Ice agents also have their faces covered.

Speaker 8 (53:55):
Right, unbelievable. But I mean, you know, like I said,
it's gonna backfire. I mean, what's he gonna do go
pick out, pick up with forty eight million people.

Speaker 11 (54:08):
Evident when to do it?

Speaker 4 (54:11):
You know, I mean, just like he wants to show
his power, that's all that is.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
They should start in the White House, right His wife
is from Slovenia, right, Yeah, I remember once he was.

Speaker 11 (54:23):
Saying, yeah, well, what happened when the people that's uh,
that's the part of the national are going to realize
that they're on the wrong side of the law and
decide to go.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Against it, you might have something like that happening.

Speaker 8 (54:38):
I mean, what if you have somebody that's a US
citizen that's that's in a critical position, and they have citizens,
they have family that's not that's undocumented, what are.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
They gonna do? Yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 (54:54):
You know, I mean they're gonna empathize with that situation,
you know, and they're not gonna they're gonna believe that
he's in the wrong and the way that he's approaching it.
I mean, the thing about it is, you know, he
ain't got no pimp game at all, right, I mean
when it comes.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
To try you know what I mean, he ain't.

Speaker 8 (55:10):
He can't for there's nothing, right, I mean, this dude
just going you know what I mean, So you know,
I mean he can't even smooth it over. I mean,
this dude just going out and just you know, he's
a gorilla pimp, you know, and the gorilla pimps are.
There's Romeo Pimpson, there's gorilla pimps.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
That's true. That's true. It's an absolute fact. He's a
gorilla pimp.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
He just put him out there, man, and he just
you know, backhanding them and slapping them around and trying
to get there, you know what I mean with.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
My money, you know what I mean. You know, you
know he ain't saying I love you and nothing. It's
worked for him.

Speaker 8 (55:47):
He said what I mean and that you know, that's
what I'm saying. I mean, you know, and that's that
it's just gonna come back.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
And bite him, man.

Speaker 8 (55:55):
I mean, he he doesn't have the leadership, he doesn't
have the uh you know, like Obama was smooth. He
was smooth, and you know what what you know, there's
a secret. You know what the secret is more people
were deported during Obama's administration than any other president. You
never know that, would you He's smooth, right, He's doing

(56:19):
it he's smooth, and nobody thought nothing about it. But
then you got this dude coming in who's acting like
you know, a you know, I don't even know if
I can't say it on the radio. You Joe said,
I can. I don't even know if I can say

(56:40):
it on the radio, but loud, don't do it.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Get me to do it. But I won't let this slide.

Speaker 8 (56:52):
I think people people know whe I'm going with it,
but yeah, but I'm I feel bad, man, I feel
bad for them. I mean to not have to be
that cold, you know what I mean? You know that
you have to live every day being you know, diabolical

(57:14):
because you don't know any.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Other way to be.

Speaker 9 (57:17):
I mean, it's a projection of their life. When you're miserable,
you're projecting other people to be miserable as well.

Speaker 8 (57:24):
And see, you know, he could have stepped to the
podium and says, I understand how you feel, but this
is what I'm doing because I want to speak to
America and I want to speak to everybody in America,
and I want to make sure that you know this
is the ideals of America.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Right.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
He can't even do that, you see what I mean?
That's crazy. Man, it's crazy and we're falling for it.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
Man, is it the Internet? Rosa? Is that what's happening? Perhaps,
or we just get to a port man. Well, we
can't think, right.

Speaker 10 (58:01):
I mean it's also a part of like going back
to like the narrative thing. There's so many different opinions,
there's so many thoughts, and like you just have so
many pockets of the Internet the world, like just communities
that like, you know, people just get misguided.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
And everybody's looking for sound bites, for.

Speaker 10 (58:18):
Sound bites, everybody's looking for just started like there, you know,
bubble thought, you know, and it just makes it hard
for people to get on the cord.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Like everybody like me, I go home and watch YouTube.
I don't watch nothing over ten.

Speaker 12 (58:32):
Minutes exactly exactly go to the next one, right, so
you know with TikTok all of that, right.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Yeah, TikTok, we don't even want to watch anything. Man,
it's it's it's almost over. Yes, seriously, I can't believe that.
Can you believe you want that fast? And now he's
playing the music. Oh wow, you're gonna kick me out
like like trump.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Huh.

Speaker 8 (59:02):
Well, anyway, we definitely appreciate everybody tuning in. We had
a lot of people tuning in today. You noticed that
weeah up to like fifteen thousand. But at any rate,
we appreciate everybody for tuning in for this edition of
Justice Watch.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 8 (59:17):
Same time, same place, same channel, and until that time,
stay blessed.

Speaker 13 (59:26):
Pack Then you get down with my confuence. Got it right? Wow?

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