KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 29 Jun, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 29 Jun, 2025

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Thank you for tuning this for this addition of Justice
Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali. I am Attorney Zulu Ali
with a Justice Watch crew Rose of New Year's Michael
blau Clark, Doctor Kill Butashir, Andrea Rhodeman, and Ryan Rhodes.
This week, like every week, we will be discussing critical
legal and social justice issues that are impacting our communities.

(05:29):
This week will be following up on our last show
on the immigration issue, the Israeli Iran crisis, and the
issue about the protests and you know, should we be
involved in those protests? That's another question that's been something

(05:52):
that actually has been I think I can't hear nothing
in my in my earphones. I don't know, huh. Okay,
But at any rate, Yeah, so we're gonna talk about that.
That's okay, I can hear me now, all right? Cool? Anyway,

(06:12):
So what I wanted to talk about, of course, we've
been hearing a lot of issues about, you know, should
African American support the Latin huh Latino community in this issue? Right?
I mean, obviously there's individuals who are saying that basically,

(06:34):
you know, this is not our fight. We should stay
out of it. It ain't for us that's one aspect
of it. Then you had you know, other individuals who
are saying, you know, they're blaming us for not being
involved in what they consider to be you know, that
doesn't have anything to do with it. But I guess
in the final analysis, the question is should we be

(06:59):
in evolved in protesting with the Latino community with this
immigration crisis? What say you go ahead, don't be shot?

Speaker 10 (07:15):
No, I'm not shot. I believe I believe their fight
is our fight. I mean, we've been through it for
countless years. And I know a lot of people always say, well,
when we were out there protesting, we did not see
a large percentage of that community out there, but I
begged the different there there was a lot of people

(07:37):
out there and fixed it. In fact, there was you
know a lot of different races out there protesting as well.
And I believe that the injustice, like Martin used to say,
the injustice anywhere is the injustice everywhere. And I think
that should be our stance on it in terms of
going out and being able to stand by them. And
you know, because it's a continuing thing, you know, I

(07:59):
don't think that this is going to be the last
of it, And as long as we're able to establish
that unity amongst ourselves. The more united we are, the
more difficulty is for them to come out and do things.

Speaker 6 (08:11):
Of this nature.

Speaker 10 (08:12):
And once once the heat let up off of them,
then the heat is going to turn right back around
and reverse itself and come right back to us. So
I think their flight is our plight, their fight is
our fight.

Speaker 11 (08:25):
Yeah, I think that all marginalized people should be in
solidarity with each other. I think that as one group progresses,
it allows for us to all progress.

Speaker 6 (08:36):
Eventually.

Speaker 11 (08:36):
It might not be at the exact same time, but
I think that when you have marginalized groups who get
more freedoms and more access and more opportunities, it eventually
helps us all in the long run. Now, with that
being said, I will say I do understand some level
of pushback in conversations that I've had because I will say,
even going back to this last election, specifically within the

(09:01):
Latino community, they have not voted in the interest of
all marginalized people. That has happened before, and which makes
it harder for some people, specifically black people, to say, hey,
you're not always choosing to side with us, and in
some ways you're choosing to s making decisions that harm us, right,

(09:24):
So I understand backlash, I understand you know, pushing back
against it. But I do think that all marginalized people
need to have some type of unity, solidarity and have
some type of diplomatic conversation about the advancement of us all.

Speaker 9 (09:40):
So yeah, yeah, wow, that's a that's a tough subject
to a certain extent. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think
that you know, uh I I I guess the question is,
uh cause that cause the question is there like, okay,

(10:00):
where the black people. Weren't the black people coming and
marching with us, and you know, why aren't they stepping
up and doing you know, doing our part. You know,
when it comes to this issue, I mean, it's kind
of one of those things where I totally the conversation
needs to be had. So I think there's there's two

(10:23):
different questions. I think the first question is I think
the conversation needs to be had with regards to our
relationship with some of the Latin American community, because obviously
it's not all of the Latin American community. But you know,
I think there is this question because I think that
even individuals within the Latin American community are very critical

(10:46):
of those who you know, voted for Trump and really
did not take into consideration the issues as it related
to African American people. I think that is what has
touched many immigrants communities have touched some of the Latin
American communities or Latino communities coming into the United States.

(11:08):
But this is a problem with regards to immigration in general,
is that basically, when when someone comes to America, they
come for a particular reason. Generally they're coming to America too,
you know, basically blend in, you know, to you know,

(11:29):
and part of that blending in does require some degree
of you know, doing what they do, and I guess
that they see that, Okay, part of the American fabric,
part of being America has always, i mean that's part
of America. Part of America has been the the marginalization

(11:55):
of black people.

Speaker 5 (11:57):
You know.

Speaker 9 (11:57):
That's that's like it, you know, that's and when people
and one of the you know, that's the understanding around
the world. And not only does it come within the
Latin the Latino community, even Black Africans who come to
this country oftentimes.

Speaker 12 (12:15):
You know, treat mistreat us.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
So it's kind of like what happens when people come
to this country, because at the very essence of America,
that's what it is. So if you're trying to look
and see, and most of what people see when it
comes to black people is our biggest export, which is cinema.
Cinema has always generally portrayed African American people a certain way,

(12:42):
and so when someone comes to America, their idea of
America generally comes from what they see on movies on cinema,
and that's what they that's kind of the way that.

Speaker 12 (12:54):
They they follow.

Speaker 9 (12:56):
That idea is that the idea of black people being criminals,
black people being gang members, black people being lazy, black
people just basically being a menace to society. And when
someone comes into, you know, to America, that is their
idea of who black people are, you know, and that's

(13:19):
the narrative that's being painted. That's why it's so important
in cinema to make sure you know, that's what people
are fighting for. When people are saying, hey, the way
that we're portrayed in cinema is really important because you know,
for us, it's no big deal. We'll not say for us,
but for some people, they seem to think that the

(13:43):
way cinema is done is no big deal. But the
reason why it's such a big deal is that that's
how we're seeing you know, that's how we're portrayed around
the world. What is put you know, the way that
we see ourselves on the big screen, because that's how
they know who we are. There's no other way for
them to really know what's going on with black people,

(14:04):
but or about America in general. That's their idea, and
so you know, that's something that we really need to
change as far as the way that we're portrayed and
when people come out and a boycotting certain movies and
the way that we're portrayed in certain movies. Sometimes this
is the reason why, because that's the narrative that's painted

(14:27):
about us around the world now with regards to you know,
the idea that people are coming to this country for
a better way of life and looking for America to
be the place or the melting plot and where everything is,
you know, and we talked about this in the last show.

(14:48):
We're the ones who did that. But what's critical and
what's crazy about everywhere in the world is, you know,
as far as our culture, everybody is imitating our swag.

Speaker 12 (15:04):
That's what really blows my mind.

Speaker 9 (15:06):
Like, I mean, it's not usual when you start seeing
the way that young people are acting in Korea, Japan, China,
Africa and all the countries within the continent, and even
in Europe, our culture has emulated so much, you know

(15:26):
what I mean, like even to the degree of people
emulating gag culture, you know, wearing colors, crip walking, you
know what I mean, and doing all these things. And
so when you feel like someone is taking your pain
and you know, using it as a way to make

(15:48):
to want our swag, then you know, it's crazy to me,
you know, what's happening with what's happening with that? Now
going back to this is kind of going off the
subject and I'm going to get your input on this
something that I'm just thinking that may go beyond what
we What I what the subject matter is for today

(16:11):
is I was just reading a little bit about generational trauma, right,
and how you know that's the real thing, you know
about generational trauma because you know, people tend to want
to say, hey, this is what happened before, and how
does that really affect you? But I mean it's you know,
it's it's really a real idea, a real thing about

(16:33):
how generational trauma impacts you know, generation after generation after generation,
after the things that we that we went through, and
so I started thinking about you know how, you know,
I think that we really have that idea. I'm not
a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but I feel like sometimes

(16:58):
we have that idea twisted. So you know, I always
say that racism. I don't like to use that word
because I think that it's a sickness, like white supremacy
is a sickness, right, I mean, these people are back
basically sick in the head, and you know, I think
that they've got us convinced that we are are sick

(17:22):
and because of what we went through, and.

Speaker 12 (17:24):
They are well.

Speaker 9 (17:27):
But I say, for me, I say that they are sick, right,
you see what I'm saying. So in other words, they're
saying that, in other words, we're sick because of the
generational trauma. But they basically we need to figure out a.

Speaker 12 (17:41):
Way so that we can be like all the other
communities that.

Speaker 9 (17:44):
Are intact and all these other cultures that are well
put together. Because you see how we do we always
kind of like whatever. But really the idea I believe
is it's the opposite, because you know, I listen to
some of these individuals who talk about other cultures and
kind of I mean, we got our problem, don't get

(18:05):
me wrong. But at the same time, what do we
really want? What do we And I know this is
about immigrations that Iran and that's what we were supposed
to talk about, but before we get there, I do
want to ask this question because it's just on my mind.
What do we really want as black people, especially in America?

(18:29):
What do we really want to see? And sometimes I
don't know if we really know that answer. I know
that we say we want equality, but what does equality
really look like. I know that we say that we
want you know, certain things you know, But to me,
I think that I look at it this way. I've

(18:51):
never really been keen on saying in comparing our culture
to other cultures, I don't feel that when they say
white people do certain things, you don't see white people
doing certain things. I'm not really impressed. I'm not really
impressed by you know, they say, when the Arabs come here,
look at what they do, When the East Indians come here,

(19:13):
look at what they do. When the certain Asian groups
come here, look at what they do when the Latino
community look at what they do, and I'm not really impressed.
And the reason why I'm not impressed is that, you know,
do you really want to So in other words, let's

(19:35):
just think about where you know, the situation with with
and I'm just going to use the white community. Look
at where the white community. Look at their situation, right,
So we feel like that basically they're privileged. We use
that word privileged. Now, the question is that's kind of

(19:57):
like a narrative that's being created that we've bought into it.
We bought into their idea of being privileged. Right. So
to me, if doing what they did to get to
where they are is privileged, then I don't really want that,

(20:18):
you see what I'm saying. Yeah, so I think that
we have to look at it like that, I mean,
are we really because I mean, the thing is that
basically it's kind of like, you know, just because a
person is able to obtain something that is in a

(20:39):
you know, in a way of oppressing other people to
obtain something positive, you know, do you want to be
like that? So in other words, hey, the people in
the hood are drug dealers, right, So if you look
in there and just say there's nothing but poverty and
the only people that got any money of people who
are slanging rock. So you can make the argument that

(21:04):
I want to be like those people because those people
are doing better than me.

Speaker 12 (21:09):
So would you rather be.

Speaker 9 (21:10):
Rich and slinging rock and destroying your people and other people,
or would you rather be poor and have your dignity
and values? And so the thing is that basically the
way we have to look at where they are. Like
you look at the MAGA people, you look at Trump,
and you look at these people where we're talking about
white supremacists and the privilege and stuff like that, and

(21:33):
then we say, look at what's happening to us. I mean,
I think that we need to change our narrative, man,
because I don't see that as privileged. I see that
is Look, man, you know there are people in prison
that have done the things that they're doing. I was
in a trial the other day and they were and
the district attorney was making this argument. And when he

(21:55):
was making an argument about my client, who was allegedly
a pinon and involved in human trafficking, he says in
his closing argument, he says, just a piece of meat.
This is what he did. He treated this person like
they were a piece of meat for his own game,
for his own benefit, for his own so that he

(22:18):
could make money. That's what he said. And then I'm
sitting here thinking in my mind, wow, that sounds familiar.
You see what I'm saying, I'm setting in all of this,
and the hypocrisy of what he was arguing is that
that is at the essence of American society because they
treated people like they were a piece of meat, you

(22:40):
know what I mean. And so, you know, and I
looked at it and I thought, wow, that's crazy, because
that is as I'm looking at the state of California.
I'm looking at the lady so called is the lady
justice on the judge's been and I'm looking at all
of it, and I'm thinking that you have the audacity

(23:04):
to try to impose justice and righteousness on people when
you did worse in.

Speaker 12 (23:15):
To establish all of this, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (23:18):
And so I think that sometimes when we go out
and we make this rhetoric, what I hate is where
someone uses the word white supremacy or white privilege, or
you see how these people do it. It's like if
you see a community that comes together, and they come
together and they mistreat other people in that process, then

(23:42):
you're thinking, are they is that something you really want
to do? Like we just had a reunion, right, so
I'm like, go to a black family reunion and you're
going to see how people get treated. So in other words,
you know, we have people in our family that are
married to people that aren't African American, and I can

(24:04):
almost guarantee you they don't feel uncomfortable come into our
family reunion. And you go to a black family reunion.
You marry somebody white and take them to a black
family reunion, they gonna say, hey, do you want some
potato salad? You know, do you want me to fix
you a plate? They're gonna try to make you feel
at home. Correct, you go to their communities and see

(24:28):
what happens. You're gonna be treated like you're gonna feel
out of place, you know what I'm saying. Even when
you go to a little juke joint in the South
and you bring a white girl or a white boy
goes into a juke join in the South, I can
almost assure you they're not gonna get beat up. I

(24:51):
can almost assure you that unless they say something really
stupid like the N word. But they gonna get on
the floor, they're gonna dance, and they're gonna dance with them,
and they gonna be you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (25:03):
You know, I can just tell you that's you know,
they can go.

Speaker 9 (25:06):
There and they don't have to worry about getting beat
up or getting drug out or getting taken somewhere and
they come up missing. How many times have you ever
seen in the South or anywhere where a white person
is taken by a black person, drug, beat up, hung, castrated.

Speaker 12 (25:22):
Any of that.

Speaker 9 (25:23):
You'll very seldom hear about any of that.

Speaker 12 (25:26):
But go to.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
A white bar in the South as a black guy
and be the only black person and see what happens.
The problem, the thing is is that at some point
in time you have to give credit, you know where
credit is due. And the thing about it is, as
much as they say that we are so you know, eat,
you know, so you know, violent and do all these things,

(25:55):
we're not.

Speaker 12 (25:56):
And and collectively is black folks. Black folks.

Speaker 9 (25:59):
That's where we're talking about the immigration thing, because everybody
knows that when you get into something, we always gonna
ride with you. If you're doing something bad. We just
really don't like that, you know what I'm saying, We
just really as as collectively as a group of people,
we just it's something about us that always we always

(26:21):
start out with black, but we always in with other
marginalized people. Right, However, other people that aren't blessed with that? Right?
And when I say blessing is that you know, at
some point I hate to get religious with it, but

(26:42):
I got to because the thing about it is that.

Speaker 12 (26:47):
You know, there's that guide in us. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (26:52):
You know what you're gonna tell me is that what
you know, God said that I made you in his image.
I mean I made you in my image.

Speaker 12 (26:59):
Right?

Speaker 9 (27:00):
Do you think that God is going to do what
they're doing? Do you think that God that any degree
of consciousness about the Creator and what the Creator wants
is going to allow you to co sign the killing
the Palestinian people like that? Do you think that do
you think that any God does anything godly about that?

Speaker 12 (27:21):
At all?

Speaker 9 (27:23):
Not at all? You see what I'm saying. Do you
think it's godly where you can say, look, you know,
I mean I get it, you know, I mean you
come in you say that you know you want to
be you know, you get on the car as an
immigrant and throw up a Mexican flag or throw up
a Cuban flag. It's like, wait a minut dude. You
see what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (27:43):
You're supposed to be.

Speaker 9 (27:44):
You came here to America, but then you're throwing up
your You left there because they were pressing you. Now
you're throwing the flag up. You know what I mean.
But at the same time, you know what I mean,
We are not going to stand for that. We're not
going to be cool with what you're doing.

Speaker 12 (28:01):
You know, we know what you do.

Speaker 9 (28:03):
When I go into a Korean store and you follow
me around, you know what I'm saying, We ain't feeling that.
But if you go and pull a Korean store owner
out of his place and you drag him out in
the street and you start, you know, beating the brakes
off of him, I can almost guarantee you somebody black

(28:24):
gonna come up and say, hey man, wait a minute,
wait a minute. I ain't down for that. You know
that's wrong. I know they do this to us, but
that's wrong. I'm not feeling that, you know what I'm saying,
because we always gonna at one way or the other,
gonna always lean to the side of righteousness, you know

(28:44):
what I mean. And so you know, sometimes I think
this is the time where even people are realizing, you know,
when you get in trouble, who you looking for?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Right?

Speaker 9 (29:00):
So it's not by accident that they're saying where are
you at? They're saying where you at? Because you know
what I mean, Why would you look to us? You
look to us because you know, you know, subconsciously, subconsciously, accidentally, intentionally,
I don't know what it is, but you call them
for us because you know that that's in our nature.

Speaker 10 (29:25):
Yeah, and that and that brings me back to the
point the first question that you asked, right, And because
of our compassion in nature, because of us wanting to help,
and because of that that consciousness of God that we
have within ourselves, I think that the biggest tool that
is used against us right now with the cinema, right
is that they take snippets from a few African Americans

(29:48):
in plasterom across the wild that we're not going to
stand with you, right. And so when you ask that question,
do we stand with right, I've automatically, you know, yeah,
you know, and the great majority, I would say the
great majority of African Americans feel this way, right, But
what's plastered is that small segment of individuals that saying, nah,

(30:08):
they didn't ride with us, so we not ride with us.
So I'm gonna plaster this all across social media to
give the procession cause one of the biggest tactics that's
ever been used on us is that divide and conquertacted.
So if I can keep them divided, then I don't
have to worry about them taking a stance and being
mighty as a people as two forces coming together, because
that's that's beyond that's dangerous, you know. So I think that,

(30:32):
like I said, going back to that question, man, I
think we all feel this way. It's just that small
segment that they are using to divide us.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
All right, So there's a loaded question. We said a lot.

Speaker 11 (30:44):
I go back still be getting First off, I think,
and I've had this conversation with my mom before, as
black people are people, I don't think it's ever possible
for us to truly get reparations for the things that
we have as a people have dealt with. I don't
think it's possible for us to truly get repaid for
the just history and just the darkness that exists in

(31:07):
our past. I don't think it's possible. But at the
same time, I believe that white people, let's be specific
about it, have also like gasled us for a very
very long time, and we are the only race and
group of people that has a daily smear campaign against them,

(31:28):
but it's also told to like get over it, you know.
And I think that we are extremely compassionate people, and
I think that we have let a lot more go
than we actually should. We are We're more accepting, We're
more warm, We're more invited. I do believe that black
people are magical people because I feel like there's nobody

(31:48):
who has been through the things that we have been
through and still succeeding despite all of the things that
we faced. And just to go to the question of
you asking like black people have to know what we want,
I think that's a very loaded question. But if I
had to say specifically what I think would get us

(32:09):
in the position we think they will believe that we
should be in. I think that what we want is
the power, the respect, and the economic foundation that comes
with the influence we have in the world, and I
don't think that has ever been given to us. So
when you talk about like entertainment, when you talk about

(32:29):
you're talking about just every aspect of the world. If
you talk about food, if you talk about entertainment, if
you talk about just the inventions, the manufacturing of this world,
like from and we're talking about like pyramids, were talking
about like everything going back and just our people creating
literally just everything. We have never fairly been compensated for that.

(32:51):
And I don't think the world could repay us at
this point one of those things, you know, And I
guess like based on that, you would just have to
figure out what empowering black people from this point on
looks like based on the influence we have, I don't
know if there's any power structure that would be willing
to give us that.

Speaker 10 (33:11):
Unfortunately, Yeah, but an equal playing feel which is I mean,
you know, you know, we all say, and I heard
exactly what you said, but because we know we can't
get to that point, right yeah, and we say, what
does equality look like.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
If we never have it?

Speaker 10 (33:30):
You know, it's kind of kind of hard to envision
what it actually looks like. But if you say, give
me us an equal. Look, we're not asking for a handout.
What we're saying is just put us on that equal
playing field because we know we can excel because of
all the stuff you just mentioned, right, the inventions, the
just the cultural you know, aspect of the dynamics that
we had over everybody, you know, even you know you

(33:53):
was talking a little while ago. You know, I was
just thinking I saw something come across a page on
Facebook where they got Norwegian crips in Norwegian. I'm like
looking at this, and I'm like, but that's just showing
you how people are emulating everything. Not saying we originated,
but man, come on, you know it's everything that we

(34:13):
come up with.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
People tend to emulate it.

Speaker 11 (34:16):
Right.

Speaker 9 (34:17):
Something that I Mum Toddler said that I always that
I thought was crazy is he says, and he said
it on the online show. This was like six or
seven years ago. He said that if the ink on
God's word was not drying, the things that black people,
black Americans went through would be prophetic. And you think

(34:42):
about what you just what you just said when you
said that nobody could do what we did and still
end up where we are. You know what I'm saying
and so, and it is prophetic. I mean what we
were able to do. And I think that sometimes what
we need to do is, you know, like the reason
why they attacked d Ei is because they understand that

(35:03):
how our greatness. The thing is, the big thing that
you're keeping from black people is understanding their own greatness.
And I think that's the idea, is that you know
what's great about you know, some of us is understanding that.

(35:23):
I've never been in a space or ever been in
a room where I did not understand my greatness. And
I think that sometimes we have to begin to change
our own narrative when we're talking about ourselves and make
ourselves understand our greatness. Because I feel very uncomfortable asking

(35:47):
them to give me anything. I don't feel uncomfortable. I
feel very uncomfortable doing that because I faced it all
I mean, especially as an attorney, you know, in courtrooms,
by judges, by opposing counsels. I mean, I feel it
all the time, you know what I mean. I feel,
I feel the fact that you are there's a certain

(36:10):
degree of envy, jealousy, and resentment. That not because I'm
a black attorney, but I'm unapologetic about and I'm proud
of it. And I have no intentions of you having
anything that makes me that's gonna make me feel better.

Speaker 12 (36:31):
About myself, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (36:34):
And so you know that's why I feel like things
like DEI and understanding our greatness and understanding you know
where we are, and we don't talk about that enough.

Speaker 12 (36:44):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (36:44):
I think that sometimes when you look at the platforms
they talking, I mean, because they go after I mean,
everything that they're doing is just like you know, I
was looking at the other day about it was this
thing like the top ten entertainers that got strung out
on drug and they were all black, or you know,
like when we're seeing what's happening right now with Shannon Sharp,

(37:07):
or we're seeing what's happening now with Diddy, to be honest,
what we're seeing what's happening with Smokey Robinson, you know
what I mean. I mean, it's like you know they
already know that. I mean, it's just like, are you
really do you really believe that we the only people
to do stuff like that? Do you really believe that

(37:27):
they're I mean that you know, because they feel like
when they get in a. People are so much wanting
to destroy us that it's an easy sell.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Correct, you know what I mean?

Speaker 9 (37:39):
So they're looking for, like for the situation with Diddy.
I mean, come on, I mean, you know there was.
You cannot make me believe that all this. The FBI
is doing an investigation. And don't get me wrong, I'm
not saying anything or allegations. I'm not belittling it. But

(38:00):
come on, man, I mean, you know like this is
you know, the freak offs. Yeah, I mean what mafia
family do you know is being under investigation because of
freak afs? I mean these the FBI is investigating mob
families that people end up debt that people. You know
that real racketeering. His racketeering is is skeptical at best, man,

(38:24):
it really is. He's not the greatest person. He's not
really a great dude. And I'm not saying that, but
I'm just keeping it real man, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (38:32):
And he's not Bumpy Johnson. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (38:35):
He's a dude that had a lot of money and
went overboard with his little fetish and he took his
power too strong. Now you got Tyler Perry where you
got the dude that says that he basically laid into
bed with him and rubbed his thigh three or four
or five years ago, and the guy stayed on the
show what was it? What was it Show the President

(38:57):
or something?

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Remember, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 9 (39:00):
You know, I mean, come on, man, I mean, and
this is the thing is somebody said this. I was watching.
I can't remember who said it. But do you remember
when Tyler Perry got up on stage and says that
he's made more millionaires than all the other studios together.
And how long after that did this happen?

Speaker 5 (39:19):
That was a month or two ago.

Speaker 9 (39:22):
So after he said it, you see what I'm saying.
I mean, you know some of that stuff. I mean,
I try to stay away from conspiracy theories, but come on, dude,
I mean, it's like they got something for all of us, man,
like all of our billionaires. They got something for all
of them, like every one of them. You know what
I'm saying, They pulling, pulling them in one way or

(39:44):
the other. And so you know that is there's a
degree of intent there. And so you're trying to make
me believe that the only people that do things like
this is like Harvey Weinstein. Ain't nobody said nothing about it.
You know, people don't even know where he's at. Some
people think he's dead. But with us, it's like a constant.

(40:08):
Every day they're coming back with something else about, you know,
how we're doing. And it's always a sex scandal. I mean, admittedly,
some of these guys ain't the smartest dudes in the world,
for sure, but a lot of it is set up.
There's no question about it. A lot of these dudes
are being set up. And you can't make me think
that everybody else in every other race is like, you know,

(40:31):
this squeaky clean, so you know, but that's just going
back to my whole idea is that people are targeting you.
You know what I mean, They're going to target you
as a African American. It's just like, you know, Barack Obama,
that dude is squeaky clean, and they still I mean,
I ain't like he's super Negro, you know, I mean seriously,

(40:54):
I mean this dude, I mean really, the only thing
they could get him is he was wearing a khaki suit,
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and then but the
disrespect that he had is just like crazy, man.

Speaker 12 (41:06):
It's just unbelievable. The disrespect.

Speaker 9 (41:08):
They even tried to get something on, you know, say,
his wife is a man, I mean, just weird stuff,
you know what I mean. And then you got somebody
to come in. And then you got somebody and so
this is a saving grace. Then you got you make
me believe that you're mentally stable. Individuals elect Donald Trump

(41:31):
to be the President of the United States and they
don't see nothing wrong with that. I mean, it tells
an entire story that it's almost like saying, you know,
like you can't figure it out.

Speaker 12 (41:45):
Yeah, you know what I mean, nobody can really figure
it out.

Speaker 9 (41:48):
But if you set back and you think about the history,
then it's almost like you say, you know, it's not
it's a sickness. It is literally a mental sick These
people are sick. I mean, think about what they did
to us. Think about I mean, you know, like I

(42:08):
always think about that that image of a black man
hanging or a black man burning and people standing around
like it's a picnic.

Speaker 11 (42:19):
They turned this into furniture. They turned this into furniture.
They use our skin for furniture. Like that's what I'm saying, Like,
there's no it's just savagery like the savagery they give
to us, they did wave worse.

Speaker 12 (42:35):
It's crazy, man, it's crazy.

Speaker 9 (42:37):
And so yeah, they always trying to figure out a
way that they can you know, you know it is
it is fear, envy, and jealousy at the highest level.
And I'm just telling you, man, we have to start
seeing it for what it really is.

Speaker 10 (42:52):
But but the thing about it is they know how
to they know how to smut up or they know
how to take something that we put out to the
world is great. Right, like you said, Tyler Perry, he
probably came out and said this, Well, I gotta come
back with this in order to combat it, because I
don't want no kids growing up that they thinking, you know,

(43:13):
this generation, that they can be great like this. You know,
that's why you see a lot of stuff in the
history or the school books.

Speaker 6 (43:20):
You don't see a.

Speaker 10 (43:20):
Reflection of us as positive because then we inject this
or give this to our children growing up, then they
can understand the greatness in which they came from. But
and so if I see a billionaire or a millionaire
get on TV and say certain things, okay, too many
people heard this. Okay, let me smuck this dude up
to make them think that, no, you can't achieve this

(43:43):
without you know, running into these brick walls.

Speaker 6 (43:45):
You know.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
So I think, you know, it goes back to you know, Beethoven.
Oh let's make him look white something, Let's make him
look white. It's a continuation of all of that, you know,
and we.

Speaker 12 (43:57):
Got to get over that.

Speaker 9 (43:58):
And so that's the reason why one of the things
that we have to do is we have to stop,
you know, blasting each other, like some of the things
that they did about Tyler Perry. You know, I mean,
come on, man, I mean, you know, you know, like
he's you know, they said it was buffoonery, coonery, you
know what I'm saying. And you know, I love Spike

(44:20):
Lee is my favorite filmmaker by far, there's no question.
And you know, you do have you know, they say
Tyler like he's not talented, some of the things that
he's making, some of the things that he's doing. You know,
I mean, I still don't feel comfortable. And we talked
about the issue of cinema and how important it is

(44:41):
to put certain things out there. But I mean I'm
just not feeling the whole, you know, like every podcast,
by every African American is a podcast where we're dogging
out somebody else that's happening, and they scared. What are
they scared? The dog out white folks?

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (45:00):
So you know, I mean talk about that too.

Speaker 6 (45:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (45:03):
And they doing Ryan Kogler like that now is they
taking a lot of his interviews and they posted him
and saying, look look how this dude talk. Look how
he dressed, Look how he talked. You know, he talked
like he's from a hood. But look at the movies
that he make it. Look at how great he is.
You don't under staying, and look at the box office
behind the movies that he's putting out. And so they
want to take the way he talks, right, and some money.

(45:26):
Why would you talk like this?

Speaker 6 (45:28):
Come on, man?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
You know.

Speaker 9 (45:31):
So I think that when we start talking about some
of the issues that we're talking about, like, for example,
like what's happening in Iran, and then someone sits down
and there having a conversation about what's happening in Iran.
So now we're having a conversation about Iran, and maybe
some of it is very prolific about historically how things

(45:51):
happen and you're having that conversation. The same thing when
we're talking about the immigration issue is prolific. Some of
the com station and most of it is you know, rhetoric.
But the question, of course is, let's you know, is
it the pink elephant in the room. Is that what

(46:13):
they call the reality of it is a fish swim
and ducks quiet? Yeah, that's the that's the meaning. Does
that mean? Because what I'm saying is is that basically,

(46:33):
you know, are these people they can't help themselves. They
can't help themselves, and and and sometimes we have to
bring it back and think about you know, we're trying
to figure it out. And I know that we have.
I mean, and it's good that these people have. I'm
not saying the people in these podcasts and some of
these things, it's cool that they're bringing it up. Roland

(46:56):
Martin talks about a lot of things. They're giving us information,
they're giving us news. Let let's really know what's going on.
I'm not suggesting that they shouldn't do that, but you
know how you're going to change it.

Speaker 11 (47:07):
Yeah, that's that's probably one of the toughest things about it.
It's just because we once it, then we don't have
the power to truly control our narratives.

Speaker 12 (47:19):
I know, and we need to.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
And that's the thing. We need to change the narrative. Yeah,
that's the thing is when we're talking about it, I mean,
we need to sit there and you know, they got
us convinced one way when the reality is something different,
you know what I mean. I mean, it's just you know,
it's like somebody urinating on you, and have you convinced
that it's raining. No, man, you're urinating on me. I

(47:42):
know because I know what that looks like. But they
but they talk about it the whole time, and it's
just like, I know what you're doing. And this is
the thing is that you know, arguing with these people
is it just goes back to the whole thing is
that they can't help themselves, and then maybe you have to.
I mean, eventually, they have you convinced that everybody else

(48:02):
is the access of evil. But you're being you're an
evil person. What you're talking about is evil, you know
what I mean? And and and but but but this
is what's crazy is that the conservatives believe that they're
you know, this dude wouldn't held a Bible up. You
remember that.

Speaker 12 (48:23):
It's crazy, dude.

Speaker 9 (48:25):
It's crazy, man, I look at something, you know, Like
sometimes when I look in some of them people, some
of those people, I'm thinking, man, you're an evil human.

Speaker 12 (48:32):
Being for sure. That's crazy.

Speaker 9 (48:35):
I mean it's just like you basically are.

Speaker 6 (48:41):
Oh my god, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
You know, it's just like and and you know, we
learn about that. I mean, you know, I mean it
is I mean.

Speaker 12 (48:53):
It's devilish stuff.

Speaker 9 (48:55):
Yeah, And and people are cool with it, and it's
like in your mind you just don't see it. It's
just like how can you just like your ability to
comprehend righteousness doesn't really exist. And it's like every day
is coming out more and more, you know, like this
dude came out and like really exposed how they're cool

(49:21):
with the situation by the way that they voted. You know,
there's a lot of people who probably voted for Donald
Trump who may not admit to it. But yeah, that's
some crazy stuff, bro.

Speaker 6 (49:34):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 (49:35):
But I think the world is beginning to see the
true nature of people. And I think that's because of
all of the wars and stuff that's going on, and
there's lack of people that's actually really I mean what
not say lack of people, but a lack of politicians
that's not trying to stop what's going on, and so

(49:58):
they see that they're governed by a p people or
weak backboned people that's that doesn't care, you know. And
I think that's going on in the world right now.
That's why you see all the protests and everything else
because of who who can who can stand to see
what you see on the news that's going on in Palestine,

(50:18):
so forth and so on, and not you know, have
a heart not react to it in some type of way.
You know, some to choose choose to remain silent. But
the people that make the change is the people that's
in that can make the change as the people that's
in charge.

Speaker 12 (50:35):
Speaking of cinema, I have a question.

Speaker 9 (50:37):
Who is the best filmmaker in American history?

Speaker 6 (50:46):
Filmmaker?

Speaker 9 (50:49):
Who Tarantino? He's up there, So Joe say Tarantino.

Speaker 6 (50:56):
The best movie maker? Huh. Steven Spielberg, he's up there.

Speaker 9 (51:05):
Too, Like this, this is the film guy right here.
So we gonna say Cooper? Who Stanley Cooper up there too?

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Stanley Cooper.

Speaker 11 (51:23):
Okay, it's probably between.

Speaker 5 (51:30):
Tarantino, And.

Speaker 11 (51:38):
I was gonna say Scorsese, but I'm'm gonna go Tarantino
cause I just think that the longevity, I think the
longevity of the of of interest in regard to his
filmmaking is probably there. But I will also I got
those Spike in there too. I just think the Spike
has a lot of misses and that's the only reason
why I would probably knock him down. His hits off

(52:00):
are amazing, do the right thing in Malcolm X I
put up there as good as anything the Tarranty has
ever done. But he has a lot of misses in
the middle of that. So I'm gonna Taranty.

Speaker 6 (52:09):
Hm, I'm looking at you.

Speaker 9 (52:13):
I want to know, you know, I gotta go with Spike.
I gotta go with Spike, man, just you know, I mean,
obviously there's some some ogs that came before Spike that's
been doing it and whatever. Man, Spike, you know, I mean,
he's you know, he's fantastic as far as some of

(52:34):
the films that he made. And I mean, I know
a lot of people don't like some of the films.
I mean, because I think there's something I remember one
time this uh, when I went to go see Get
on the Bus. And you know, for me, I think
Get on the Bus was about how black man related
each other. So it's you know, because Spike can get deep,
like sometimes he might get in his own head. Ye,

(52:56):
And so what happened The girl said, I couldn't I
didn't like the movie, And I'm like, ast white it
because there's a bunch of black dudes that got on
the bus and they didn't even make it to the
million man mark, right, and see they couldn't get it.

Speaker 12 (53:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (53:08):
So he's he's deep like that sometimes. But I mean
I just think that he's just brilliant and he's kind
of like you know, and I also like, what's the
name of the black filmmaker that, you know, Black Sportation.
You know, his son did the movie about the black
cowboys back in the day, you know, with the father

(53:30):
and the son. They were both you know, I'm talking
about African American.

Speaker 12 (53:38):
Peoples Marvin Va. So you know, I mean, so you
got some.

Speaker 9 (53:44):
You got some great great filmmakers in there, man, but Spike,
and you know, it's just like you know who, like
was it Michael Man that did all LEI? Yeah, you know,
It's just like, you know, I didn't you know, my
man and Will Smith was ready for that role. I'm

(54:07):
a really big fan of of of of Muhammad Ali.
But they should have let Spike.

Speaker 6 (54:14):
Do that movie.

Speaker 9 (54:15):
Yeah, you know what I mean. So you know, I
mean because I think it would have been. Yeah, I
don't think he did it to justice that that it deserves,
because I mean he did a great job with Malcolm.
I mean that was like phenomenal.

Speaker 11 (54:28):
Yeah, you know, Malcolm is probably his crown jewel. That's
probably the one for him, Like that one deserved. The
Oscar absolutely ahead of his time type of thing. Yeah,
And I think that dude, Ryan Coogler, man.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
He's he's on the way.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
The way, especially with that last movie.

Speaker 9 (54:46):
Man, what about that last movie that Tyler Perry did
with Roger.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
Straw. That was like, I haven't seen it was co
hat a twist.

Speaker 12 (55:02):
That's some of his best work. He went outside himself.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
On that exactly. Yeah, that was deep.

Speaker 10 (55:07):
In fact, I just watched it on like two nights ago,
and I was like, because I kept seeing previews on it,
and I said, man, let me sit back and watch
this man.

Speaker 9 (55:16):
And we need to start telling our own stories.

Speaker 10 (55:18):
More.

Speaker 9 (55:18):
Yeah, and have our own people and some of the
better filmmakers telling our own stories.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (55:23):
And I think that that's where we go back to
the issue of how you see yourself.

Speaker 11 (55:27):
And that's also a conversation about and not to be
critical of Kyler Perry, but because I appreciate what he's
done in the space, but one thing that he does
is he's very dictator like where he controls everything that
he does and he doesn't really give opportunity.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
To other writers, producers, things like that.

Speaker 11 (55:47):
So a big part of us controlling our narrative is
the people who are in control, who have access to
certain things, seats at certain tables, bringing other people to
said table, and Tyler perioce that Spike us.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Do a better job of that.

Speaker 11 (56:03):
I mean, all of our black filmmakers, like you just
have to use the power that you have been able
to obtain that is more than likely rare, and allow
more seats at the table.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
It'd be nice to see him become a little bit
more collective. You know. I think that there was you know,
talk about at one point in time when they were
you know, you heard the story about who was at
the Wayans and and what's my man's name that did

(56:34):
come into America that started coming to America Enia, our Senio,
not our Senio, but Eddie, Eddie Murphy, like they were
they were saying the Black pat you know, seeing that
those types of collaborations, man, is just you know, I'd
like to see that more, because we do need to
start controlling our own narrative when it comes to making

(56:55):
some of these these movies and exporting the stories that
are being told about us. And you know, because there's
so much greatness that we aren't able to to get
out there about ourselves, and you know, and it's crazy
because and then there's so much that we do to
get stolen, you know what I mean. And we definitely

(57:16):
have us and we definitely we talk about our own
you know, it still fascinates me because there will be
a time where people don't even won't even believe that
raps started in the Bronx, you know what I mean.
They'll figure out a way to make it look like
somebody else came up with that. When I was telling
even my kids about you know, we were watching those
dance crews that used to come on like on television,

(57:39):
and they were doing you know, b boying and stuff.
I'm like, look that actually happened, you know what I
mean in the Bronx, or it happened in New York,
and this is where all this came from. You would
not even believe that today if you watched that, you know,
I mean, because they had all these these Asian dance crews.

Speaker 10 (57:57):
Remember Street, Yeah, it was B Street and all that
stuff they ca.

Speaker 9 (58:01):
Yeah, you know, and now they're doing it and look
at Joe's doing someone Yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:08):
Man.

Speaker 9 (58:08):
So anyway, I know, we kind of went off a
little bit left, but I still think it's relative going
back to you know, what's going on that what we
have going on, and for us as African Americans, you know,
how we have to start dealing with it. I mean,
whether we get there, I don't know. But I think
a lot of what we need is internal, and I

(58:30):
think that before we begin to start trying to, you know,
rely heavily on what they need to give us, I
think that we need to work. If we worked as
much on how we're going to improve ourselves and how
we relate to us each other as black people and
kind of change the way that we relate to each other.

Speaker 12 (58:49):
If we can convince ourselves. First. I think it'll make
it a lot easier.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
Yeah, you know, I think that's that's the deal.

Speaker 9 (58:58):
But you know, man, I knew it was coming down. Man, yeah,
coming to the end of this show. At any rate,
we had a lot of a lot of viewers today,
and we'd appreciate like I always would appreciate you, and
and uh and uh. Until next week, we'll see you

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at the same place, same time, same channel, And until
that time, stay blessed.

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