KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 6 Jul, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 6 Jul, 2025

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Speaker 10 (05:02):
Thank you for tuning in for this edition of Justice
Watch with Attorney Zulu a l I am Attorney's Zulu
Ali with a Justice Watch crew Rosa, Yes, Michael bal Park,
Doctor Kilbasher, Andrew Rohdeman, and Ryan Rhoase. This week, like
every week, we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice
issues that are impacting our community. This week we're gonna

(05:25):
talk about First we'll talk about your boy did it.
Then we'll talk about the president and what he's been
doing with Yeah, your boy did he? Well, y'all just
gonna leave him out there like that?

Speaker 11 (05:42):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 9 (05:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (05:48):
So so my thing is what what do you think about?
First of all, we'll go into basically so that everybody
kind of knows what happened with with with Sean Combs.

Speaker 9 (05:58):
I know that.

Speaker 10 (05:59):
Everybody is aware the fact that a jury has returned
verdicts on on his on his case on two of
the two of the counts. One is the Rico statute,
which is the racketeering statute statute. He was found not guilty.
The one regarding sex trafficking, uh, he basically was found

(06:22):
not guilty. And then with regards to basically transportation to
engage in prostitution, those counts, those two counts he was
found guilty.

Speaker 9 (06:34):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (06:35):
So, I mean, let's let's just talk about I mean,
instead of it's like not getting emotional about it, let's
kind of begin and start talking a little bit about
each each count. So, for example, the racketeering uh charge.
So basically racketeering has four elements. So the way it
works when you're charged with a crime, every crime has elements,

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and generally most crimes have you know, two to five
to six elements that you have to prove each and
if you can't prove or the prosecution can't prove every
element beyond a reasonable doubt, they have to find you
not guilty of the of that particular charge. So in
this particular case, with regards to the RICO case, the

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first thing that they had to prove that there was
a RICO enterprise. And also RICO stands for Racketeer, Influenced
and Corrupt Organization Act. That's how they get RICO, that's
the acronym. So basically, a RICO enterprise is an individual partnership, corporation, association,

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or other legal entity, or any group of individuals associated
in fact, although not a legal entity, it can be
a legitimate organization or a criminal case, a criminal one
like a crime family, which we generally saw the the mafia,

(08:01):
the mob type of cases. It must be a distinct entity,
not just an individual, and it must have structured hierarchy
or a chain of command and a common goal tied
to criminal activity. The second thing interstate commerce. Obviously interstate commerce.
The government generally does not prosecute anything unless it is

(08:23):
actually related to interstate commerce, meaning that's how the federal
government gets this jurisdiction because generally unless it's a criminal statute,
but for the cases of a Rico case, almost anything
it actually has jurisdiction if the crime crosses state lines,

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that's where you get the interstate commerce. Then a pattern
of racketeering activity, so basically there has to be predicate
acts something they call predicate acts, almost like gain cases
here in California, where the racketeering activity, there has to
be two predicate active racketeering activity within a ten year period,

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meaning these acts have to be It could be murdered, kidnapping, gambling,
artis and robbery, robbery, extortion, drug trafficking, mail fraud, wire fraud,
money laundering, among others. And it has to be some
contin continuity. In other words, the acts must be related
and show a pattern of ongoing criminal activity and conducting

(09:27):
or participating. That's so we got the first three elements enterprise,
interstate commerce, pattern of racketeering activity. Then conducting or participating
in the enterprises affairs. That means that the defendant must
be associated with or employed by the enterprise. There must
also be also they must also conduct or participate in

(09:48):
the enterprise as affairs through the pattern of racketeering activity,
and that means that they must have some level of
control or investment in the criminal enterprise. So I think
that they I don't think they were even personally. I
don't think they were even closed on a Rico case. Yeah,
I mean with regards to Bad Boy Entertainment, because I'm
looking at the indictment and the idea that Bad Boy

(10:11):
Entertainment was basically a criminal organization. I think that the
that the the jury saw right through that that allegation
or that element of the Rico statue, because I don't
believe we all know.

Speaker 9 (10:25):
That bad Boy was bad Boy, right, it.

Speaker 10 (10:29):
Wasn't a criminal enterprise. I think it was you know,
take that, take that type of music, you know, so
I don't think that they had that. So I think
the jury was right with regards to that. Now, the
next one that they came up with was the allegation
of sex trafficking. And so in order to uh, sex trafficking,

(10:55):
which was count two, it's the transportation of women or
any person for the purpose. Well, this is actually what
he got he was found guilty of. So sex trafficking
is basically the idea of basically like interstate commerce pimping. Right,

(11:16):
that's pretty much what sex trafficking is, right, is more
like if you know, and then the the transportation of
women is almost more if you relate the difference between
a pimp and a john, like the pimp would be
more like someone involved in sex trafficking, a john would
be more like, uh not the transportation for prostitution. So

(11:41):
the transportation is what he was found guilty of. And
that was basically you see.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 10 (11:47):
So in other words, the trafficking, the sex trafficking would
be like you know, he has like he's you know,
really pimping and he's pretty much making money, you know
how you know what I mean, get what you're saying,
so they fail. I am not guilty of sex trafficking
because I don't think that he was in the business
of trafficking women for the purposes of what we would

(12:08):
pretty much traditional pimping type of case. Then when we
talk about transportation of women for the purposes of prostitution,
which is the which originally was like.

Speaker 9 (12:18):
The Man Act.

Speaker 10 (12:19):
I know, we've heard of the Man Act ma A
n N Act that was basically a pretty much was
used primarily because of it was there's a lot of
racism behind the Man Act and Jack Johnson that was
kind of one of the things that we talked about
where they were they were scared that that white women

(12:39):
would be with black men, And if you research the
Man Act, you'll find out there's some racism that went
behind the Man Act. But basically it's saying that he
brought in individuals for the purposes the prostitution. That was
really what he found he was found guilty of. I mean,

(13:00):
I personally feel like now, you know, I mean, there's
a lot of emotion that goes into you know, when
people are accused of crimes. And that's what makes the
criminal justice system so unfair because you know, it's just like,

(13:21):
for example, you know, let's just say there's a guy
who has a history of just say he was a
gang member at one time, and now all of a
sudden he's being charged. You know, Uh, he goes to
seven to eleven and gets into an argument with someone

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and the person alleges that, you know, he pulled a
gun out on him. Right then, what they're then, what
the prosecutor is going to do, is they're going they're
wanting the jury to see that at one point in
time he was in a game, right for a motive.

Speaker 9 (13:57):
You know, they're trying.

Speaker 10 (13:58):
They'll try to they'll do everything that they can't because technically,
you're not supposed to be able under the new law
to do the principal case and the gang case together.
They have to be bifurcated. In other words, the principal
case has to be tried first and then the gang
has to be tried second. However, what the course of interpreted,

(14:20):
it interpreted the act meaning that it does allow you
to show motive, intent, and identity.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
So in other.

Speaker 10 (14:29):
Words, you know, they might say, well, the you know,
they called a monster, right, and so we're able to
bring into the gang the gang thing or the gang
history to show that that was his gang name, or
that that was the intent because the guy was wearing

(14:51):
blue and the other eye was wearing red. So the
whole idea is to dirty up the minds of the juror,
to make them think that the person is so they
don't look at what happened, but they look at the
fact that they don't like, they think he's a bad guy,
which is kind of what we got when we saw
the cast Cassie video, because what you saw was the

(15:13):
fact that he committed a crime, but he was in
charge with that crime, correct, he was charged with something different. Now,
if he was in the state of California, I mean,
just like Chris Brown and Rihanna, it's domestic violence. The
statue of limitations is way gone because he can't be
charged with domestic violence. If he was charged with domestic

(15:33):
violence and we saw that video, I'd be like.

Speaker 9 (15:36):
Yeah, they got him exactly, you know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (15:39):
But that's not what's going What was going on in
this particular case. What was going on in this particular
case was that he was being charged with this expansive
Rico statue, which you can get. I mean, it kind
of puts everybody into the frame with a Rico and
the sex traffic, and then showed that he beat up Cassie.
So the whole thing was it's dirty up and show

(16:01):
how bad of a guy he is. And if we
dirty him up and show how bad of a guy
he is, then this is what we do as a jury.
So a lot of what we see where there's people
that were upset, was as purely emotional, you know what
I mean, it's just you get the and that's what
you do with Jerry's But the jury was smart enough

(16:23):
to read through it, and you know, he probably got
the closest I can see that.

Speaker 9 (16:28):
There's an argument that.

Speaker 10 (16:30):
There was the transportation for the purposes of prostitution. In fact,
because these were sex workers, they came across state lines,
you know, so there's an argument that that could be
you know true. I mean, but you know, pimping and
pandering in most jurisdictions, in any state court is going

(16:50):
to get you probably a couple of years maybe at
the most, if anything, if not just some sort of
probation but I mean that's kind of what they did.
And I mean, so you got to understand that they
had dudes then in full military gear and tanks at
his house. Yeah, and this is what we end up with,
you see what I'm saying. And so I'm thinking, you know,

(17:14):
I'm like, Okay, they said they found some guns. I said, oh,
they found some guns. That's a problem because if they
if they got serial numbers scratched off of guns and guns,
you know, we remember what happened to t I right,
So that's a problem.

Speaker 9 (17:27):
But you really, you know.

Speaker 11 (17:29):
That disappeared, did it?

Speaker 10 (17:34):
You know, it just ended up being you know, baby, Okay,
you know what I'm saying. So I mean, you know,
I mean, no, again, I try to separate the two
because I think that you cannot convict someone because they're
bad people. I think that the federal government was engaging
in a level of being the moral police. And you know,

(17:57):
I know that there's people out there. I mean, you know,
he might be a bad guy, you know what I'm saying,
And I'm sure that what we saw was what he
did to Cassie that was terrible, and if he was
being charged with that, no matter what she consent it
to in any of the other cases, then I can say,
you know, he probably gonna get that DV charge correct,

(18:19):
But that's really wasn't he That's not what happened he's
being charged with.

Speaker 9 (18:24):
You know.

Speaker 10 (18:25):
But I think that what the jury saw was that
people were willing participants. They don't believe that anybody was
forced into doing anything based upon the information, and everybody
is really upset. Some people are upset, just like the O. J.
Simpson case and not understanding, you know. Like for me,
I'm one of the people that believe that they should

(18:47):
have found OJ not guilty. I don't think they proved
the case beyond the reasonable doubt. Yeah, that's just the
way I feel, not Philly one. I don't know whether
OJ did it or not. I could just tell you this.
I don't think that the prosecution did his job proven
the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 9 (19:02):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
I felt the same way about that specific case. I
think I personally think that he did it. But like
I don't know, if you saw like a documentary they
did on Exception of the Bath in America where they
go through the case and like everything surrounding it, they did,
like you said, they did not prove that he did it,
like I few. I think a few years later, technology
would have had it to a way where he probably
would have been found guilty.

Speaker 11 (19:23):
But is at that time, No, You're absolutely right.

Speaker 10 (19:26):
Well, I think that basically you can make the argument,
if you would have made it, you could make a
really valid argument.

Speaker 9 (19:31):
That he was set up.

Speaker 8 (19:33):
Hmm.

Speaker 11 (19:34):
That's part of it.

Speaker 10 (19:35):
That's you see, I'm saying, so, you know, and I
think that that's that's a problem, you know, when you
got to see it, And I think that if they can,
how can you prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt
when the police didn't do what they're supposed to do
when they when they're doing these cases, you know what
I mean. But but anyway, just going back to to
to P. Diddy and and and you know, looking at

(19:57):
you know, the jury's verdict and and people not understanding
and being upset with how things happen, you know, going
off on you know, podcasts and being mad.

Speaker 8 (20:09):
Yeah, but you know, but I think that's that's what
a lot of cases, especially when it comes around to
celebrities and stuff like that, particularly pitied and when you
when you say you can get the public tied up
in the emotional aspect of it by showing them something
so negative about the individual, thinking that the jury is
going to look at that negativity and say, well, okay,

(20:29):
he's guilty for abc D, you know, instead of just
you know, judging each a particular charge according to how
it was. And like you said, I think the jury
actually saw into that that a lot of the individuals
kept coming up there saying what they've been communicating for
the last five or seven years, and and yeah, we
participated in this.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
You know.

Speaker 8 (20:49):
It wasn't like something was done by force. But that
negative video that they showed him, they was hoping that
the jury would say, oh, this dude, is this dude
gotta be guilty because he did this but you know,
the racketeer man that was out the window. But I
think it was the witch hunt and they was just
hoping that the jury, we're just gonna find him guilty
on all of it.

Speaker 10 (21:10):
Yeah, that's what they're trying to do.

Speaker 11 (21:13):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I think that once again, removing the emotions out of it,
because I do think that he's a bad person. I
do believe that enough has come out where I don't
think that he's the greatest guy. But when you look
at the case and you look at just sort of
the narratives that came out before all of the trials
started happening. You know, they were saying that there were
drugs in the baby oil, and like they said, the

(21:34):
gun things, and you see them raid in his house,
and it makes it look like a much bigger thing.
Not to say it was a small thing, but it
just looked like a much bigger thing, and that oh, yeah,
he's doing some crazy stuff. And when you come down
to it and you look at the actual facts of
the case, while there might have been some you know, malpractice,
some weird things, some illegal things there, because I mean

(21:54):
he did clearly get found guilty for a couple of things.
I mean just looks like he said, you know, the
the other week, he was just doing freaky stuff. You
can't necessarily arrest somebody for doing freaky stuff, especially if
there's consent there, and it looked like there was a
lot of consent there. So you know, it's just one
of those situations where you know, they clearly were trying to,
like Blouse said, bring in other stories and crazy things

(22:18):
that he's done in the past that he probably should
have went to jail for for those things, blowing up
people's cars, domestic violence, all kinds of things like that,
and you know, trying to get him for this specific thing,
and it felt like I didn't really build the k
strong enough. Now.

Speaker 10 (22:35):
It's just like even when they try to like talk
about sexual preferences and sexual yeah, I mean, the reality
of it is like, you know, like that's the got
you moment. It's like, okay, I mean they said I
walked in and then he was with such and such, right,
you know that.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
I'm like, okay, you know what I'm sah.

Speaker 10 (22:56):
I mean, I mean, let's just be real and you
can't okay, they're saying that that, you know, how does
that go into like evidence what that he was involved
in this situation or that he was doing something illegal?
You see what I'm saying, just to try to they
wanted to. That's like that's a character assassination and making

(23:17):
you know, but that's nothing that There's nothing leal illegal
about any of that. So just going back, I mean,
I think that you know, he probably got you know,
I mean, even even the thing about the trans See
what gets me about the transportation the prostitution was like,
you know, I mean, oh, of course I wouldn't co

(23:43):
sign that at all. The oldest profession in the war,
in the in the you know, the oldest. But I mean,
you know, we got what's going on in Vegas. You know,
we got you know, I don't know, man, I mean,
like I said, if he was anywhere else, you would

(24:03):
get you mean, we we the money they spent.

Speaker 9 (24:06):
For that, correct, you know.

Speaker 10 (24:10):
Yeah, So you know it's just like and you know it,
and it goes further into the thing about how.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
You know a certain persons.

Speaker 10 (24:21):
I mean, it's like if you want to get See,
this is the thing that people don't really understand. It's
something that I've I've come to realize about the about
the system.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
Is like all they need to do is like want
to get you. That's it.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
That's it.

Speaker 10 (24:36):
If they want to get you, they gonna you know
what I mean, they can go they can make up anything,
they can go back into your past. And you know
everybody's got skelters in their closet.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
Yeah, and they know how to control the narrative by
the media, using the media, and they put they they
put I'm telling you they had so much stuff out
on this dude man from one extreme to the next extreme,
that the kids was involved, gun was involved, you know, all.

Speaker 9 (25:01):
Of this stuff.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
And so yeah, I mean, and and the thing about
it is the great majority of the people that were
sitting on that jury probably heard all this pride to
them even going you know, to sit on the jury,
you know what I'm saying, and so and and that's
what they was hoping for. They was hoping that they
heard all this negativity about this man. And then once
he and who who was to say he's this bad?
I mean, how many freaks it is in Hollywood? You know,

(25:24):
come on, let's let's think about that. You know, we
talked about Jeffrey Amstein and all these other dudes you
know that didn't get caught up it. L Let's see
if the limelight was on them, the camera was on.

Speaker 10 (25:35):
And then he was praying, and then when it after
after he got on the s you know, I don't
know if you've seen that image of him on his
chair praying.

Speaker 9 (25:43):
Yeah, and then I seen this video.

Speaker 10 (25:45):
This this lady man, she's just going off like you praying?
Was you praying when he was doing this to these girls?
And all this other stuff, and I hope he is
a change man.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
That's my career.

Speaker 10 (25:58):
Yeah, I pray for all of 'em. Yeah, everybody involved
in a situation. I hope he you know. I mean,
what kind of person would I be if the man
said he wants to change you who he is and
he does it. Maybe this situation and turn him and
make him a different person.

Speaker 9 (26:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (26:15):
Yeah, I believe in I believe in rehabilitation. I do.
I believe in that.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
I do think that that still has to be met
with accountability. I don't think that makes you free of consequences,
but you know, I think that the best way to
go forward. I mean this in like a number of
different cases when it comes to criminals and all that thing.
I think there's much more value and rehabilitation than there

(26:40):
is just throwing people in jail and.

Speaker 11 (26:42):
Just beginning about them. I just do I believe that person.

Speaker 8 (26:44):
I think it was a serious wake up call for
it because some people feel that they're untouchable when they
get so much amount of money, and this might be that, yeah, correct,
that this might be that one thing to just shake
him to his core and he can take his finances
and use it for something more productive then just freaking well.

Speaker 10 (27:03):
You know there was the state reco statue is what
Georgia was trying to get the president on.

Speaker 9 (27:11):
Right.

Speaker 10 (27:11):
Of course that never went through. But that's amazing because
we can be this outrage and upset with that. But
then you know, somebody on the phone, Joe, but when
it comes to you know, some of this other stuff, man,
we don't give him.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
That type of attention.

Speaker 10 (27:28):
Yeah, he got thirty four feelings and he's married to
an immigrant wife. He wanted to get rid of the
felon these and feelings. And you know, I was just
looking at the situation on this birthright. I was actually
you know, defending having some some cases on where these

(27:51):
people are being picked up. And I was actually saw
a video man and saw them in Santa Ana the
other day, the way they got.

Speaker 9 (27:57):
Out and went after people.

Speaker 10 (28:00):
Yeah, it's crazy, man, It's crazy. What's going on?

Speaker 9 (28:04):
Man? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (28:06):
So I know last week we was talking about, you know,
should we should be we be concerned and should we
have a coalition, And they really went after you too
about what y'all was talking.

Speaker 9 (28:18):
About, bout what was talking about all they dogged y'all out. Now,
like man, don't talk about my folks like that.

Speaker 10 (28:27):
But yeah, I mean that's an ongoing conversation too about
you know, you know, how should we should any of
that really matter to us, you know, and I think that,
you know, I'm not going to keep beating a dead
horse and going back over what we talked about last week.
But you know, I know that they're talking about this

(28:48):
the birthright citizenship, and he's trying to do something about
the birthright citizenship. In other words, people who the legality
of your parents, the lead status of your parents determines whether,
even if born in the United States, whether you're going
to be legal, you know, in the Witch Gods, so

(29:12):
it says that basically, I think that it basically boils
down to if you're if the mother is illegal, I
think unless the father is legal, then I think that
you're not automatically considered to be a US citizen. And
so there was a lawsuit against it, and basically pursuing

(29:39):
to the law. The lawsuit really didn't go in on
whether it's.

Speaker 9 (29:45):
Right or want right or wrong.

Speaker 10 (29:46):
As far as the merits of the case, but more
or less addressing procedural issues with regards to it. And
I think that people are really mad at the courts
because the court isn't really you know, coming in and
really doing, you know, what it needs to do as
far as you know, trying to stop some of these
things that he's doing. This unconstitutional, you know, and that's

(30:10):
part of it. I mean, the next thing, you know,
after he does that, is he gonna do something else.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
You know what I mean, He's definitely gonna do something else.
If you can get away with one thing, you're definitely
gonna try to get away with something else. So I
don't know, man's you know, that's just his state of mind.

Speaker 10 (30:28):
Yeah, I mean, and then you know he's coming down.
I mean basically, you know, he's just getting his his
free Oh yeah, what was that you was telling me about?
All you talked about? He was telling me about the Haitians.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
Oh yeah, the Haitians.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
Yeah, what's going on with that?

Speaker 8 (30:43):
I don't know, man. They ran up in New York
and the Haitians let them have it.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
Really what they do?

Speaker 8 (30:48):
Haitian put hands on them?

Speaker 9 (30:49):
Oh really?

Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (30:50):
You look on them. They didn't they didn't took down
a lot of the videos. But I saw some of
the videos, you know, and TikTok and stuff like that,
you know, but yeah, they just wouldn't have happen in it,
you know. I mean, it's I think it's totally different
when you're running up in the streets opposed to running

(31:11):
up in someone's job. Yeah, you know, I mean, you know,
if you running up in these jobs, you know, and
pulling people out of school and pulling people out of job,
I mean, you know, I mean to me, that's that's
that's who you want in the country. Someone is going
to be productive, somebody going to be working, somebody's going
to be doing something that is good, that's going to
benefit the country in general. But you know, in hindsight,

(31:35):
I can understand, you know, the individuals just not doing
anything that's just here for a criminal you know, uh,
criminal enterprise or whatever you want to call it. I
can understand those individuals. But and even to the point
where someone not putting their best foot forward in terms
of trying to get that citizenship, you know. So it's just, uh,
with me, it's totally different. But I don't pay attention

(31:58):
to the comics because I think if anybody see things
in a different you know, look through a different spectrum
when it comes to certain things, you know, but when
you ripping you know, kids and parents away from each other,
you know, it just reminds me of slavery.

Speaker 9 (32:12):
Yeah. So okay, so I'm gonna play Devil's advocate. Let
go ready, right, Okay, I'm gonna play Devil's avocant.

Speaker 10 (32:21):
Now with regards to do you think that.

Speaker 9 (32:31):
We have.

Speaker 10 (32:34):
Been too lenient in our immigration policy when it comes
to you know, individuals who are who've come to this
country and let's just say, you know, don't have status
and they come to the country. I know, we had
a situation in Chicago where they were really upset because

(32:55):
a lot of the resources were taken from the black
community and actually read the directed or towards the immigrant community,
and people were really upset at the administration. So I mean,
how do you feel about that? Do you think do
you think that there should be some real enforcement when

(33:18):
it comes to the to the immigration policy.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Yeah, I think. I do think that there's been lenient
over the course of the years, and I think that
there has to be you know, some type of uh,
you know, guideline, some type of you know, structure to
it all. And I believe it it has gotten not
a hand, but I think that I think the government
knows where everybody is at. And I think that for

(33:43):
you allowed to people to live here for so long
over the period of time and then get well established
and then come snatch everything away from them, that that
says something totally different. I mean, I think there might
be a process that you can kind of do something
a little bit different by allowing them to you know,
get the citizenship or figuring out a way that that

(34:07):
would be a little bit more how you said, just
you know, not forceful. You know what I'm saying, I
mean forceful in the sinse said you know, individuals that
are doing something wrong. Yeah, but when you have people
that's been here for twenty and thirty years that establish
themselves and has been proving themselves and not to be

(34:27):
any criminals or something like that, I think you should
be just a little bit more lenient with it. You know.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah, I'm probably the wrong person to ask, because, like
I'm one of those people that feels like, as long
as you're here, you're not like doing nothing wild.

Speaker 11 (34:42):
I feel like you should be allowed to stay.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Like I mean personally, and I speak from maybe a
point of privilege where I feel like I don't necessarily
feel I don't necessarily feel or feel anything in my
life disrupted by immigrants, Like there's no jobs, there's no
aspects of my life where I feel like their presence
is affecting anything to me. But also, like I said,
I recognize the privilege in that I know there are people,

(35:05):
blue collar people working who say that their jail jobs
are being affected and things like that. So I do
feel for them. I do think they feel like there
needs to be some level of structure. But at the
same time, it's like, you know, for people who have
been here, like he said, like twenty years and they're
just working, you know, just work, just working, a supportive family,

(35:27):
I think that those people honestly should be allowed to stay.
If you've been here this long and you're not doing
anything disrupting anything, hurting anything, find but the people who
are here, you know, on criminal things, doing involved in
criminal activities, for sure should be able to get them.

Speaker 11 (35:41):
Out of here.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
But you know, like I said, I'm probably the wrong person.

Speaker 10 (35:45):
To ask, though, what about the issue of the fact
that you have immigrants to come into this country and
in many ways infiltrate or assimilate into you know, the

(36:06):
majority population at the expense of African Americans.

Speaker 9 (36:10):
In other words, do.

Speaker 10 (36:11):
You feel like there has been a issue with the
relationship between African Americans and some of these immigrant groups
as to the way that they treat black people.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Yeah, I could see that. I mean, I've heard and
I've seen, you know, just the way certain But you know,
that's not a large segment of individuals. I think that's
a small segment of individuals. And I can see that.
And I and like Ryan was talking about, you know,
not being affected by certain things, and I think that

(36:46):
you know, coming in and saying, well, okay, taking the jobs,
doing this, and doing that. I think that you know,
as individuals, you know, you go out and get what
you want. Don't use anybody as an excuse. Okay, the
job was there, if they took the job, they took
the job, and they took it back at a lower
paying rate, then they took it at a little pay rate,
kick rocks and go ahead. I just don't feel like
that we should use anything as an excuse in order

(37:08):
for us to not progress. And I think some people
use that as excuse and not the progress.

Speaker 11 (37:16):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I also just feel like a long time ago, I
just started figured out that I feel like black people,
Black Americans like where everybody's going to be to some degree,
and like I look at it from that standpoint because
like even you know, from you know, black people from
other countries, like they even separate themselves from us, like
Black American culture versus just you know, maybe African cultures

(37:42):
like Nigerians are not going to claim the same culture
as we are, even though they might have some similar benefits.
I've seen that sort of separation between the other two.

Speaker 11 (37:53):
Yeah, I mean, like.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
I said, it's hard for me to say because like
me personally, I might not be affected by that, but
I have seen people who said, like they've lost jobs
and things and oh from like the like lower blue
collar workers things. So I mean I can understand the outrage.
I don't know it's exactly what you do about that, Like, well,
I'll say, I don't think you should have it stop
your desire for advancement.

Speaker 11 (38:19):
Or like it.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Sorry it's a victim mentality. But I do understand the
feeling of you know, people coming in and taking your
jobs and then you know, assimilating it to other cultures
who also have seemed to have some type of issue with.

Speaker 8 (38:32):
You so, and look, I want to say this. Here's
my thing. When someone tell me I can't or when
something stands in my way, that's my motivation. And I'm
gonna give you an example. I've experienced it personally. I
experienced it. I've experienced it doing sales with my business.

(38:58):
And people complained about me. Immigrants, yeah, complained about me
in a particular area. And this happened within the last
year and they said, look, he's doing this, he's doing this. Tuesday,
it got back to me and they told me, look,
you can no longer sell your products over here. And
this was to this is a true story. I said, okay,

(39:19):
no problem. I said, well, I need to get somewhere
where I can sell my products and I ain't got
to worry about nobody else. So I went down to
the city and Long Beach, got my insurance, got my license.
I can go set up anywhere in the city and
Long Beach wherever I want to sit up, set up
at and nobody can't question me. I got my license.

(39:42):
But based on that, I didn't use that as a
means to not progress. I used that as a means
to level up. And so despite the fact that Okay
they complained about me. Okay, I frowned up on it,
but just that was my motivation to level up.

Speaker 9 (40:01):
So the course, so should we.

Speaker 10 (40:02):
I guess that just goes back to the whole idea
is is there some legitimacy with regards to those individuals
who feel like that? And even you said that basically
there tends to be the same type of you know,
racist ideology that made that we may see from you know,

(40:26):
white people, some white people. We see some of that
from people from other contests who come in as immigrants.
And now we're in a situation where we are directly
called out for not being more involved in what is
really going on, like you know, not co signing the

(40:47):
idea of helping people who are going through this issue
of being deported and protesting and those sort of things. So,
I mean, is there any legitim was see to their
argument that it's not our fight?

Speaker 8 (41:08):
I can see how people feel that way. I can't.
I can't see how people feel that way. But for
me personally, I just have my own perspective to us
think because you're gonna you're gonna encounter that, I mean,
you're gonna encounter it wherever you go through you know
what I mean, We've been encounting for years in this
in this country, so I mean, I can't complain about

(41:30):
one and I complain about the other, right, you know, So.

Speaker 10 (41:36):
Now I'm just being Devil's advocate because I think that
you have a lot of people who are listening who
have legitimate questions, and when they have those questions, then
the question then, you know, how do we respond to that.
I mean we we you know, their questions that we
I think need to respond to when we say that
we believe that there should be a coalition. Of course,

(41:56):
last week we spent a lot of time talking about
the reason why there should be. You know, obviously a
coalition is the divide and conquer and it basically, you know,
it's not really in our nature to really not help
people who need help.

Speaker 9 (42:12):
I mean, that was really the idea.

Speaker 10 (42:14):
But at the same time, you know, there has to
be you know, I really don't get you know, I
see that there's like two paradigms here, and the one
paradigm is okay, you know the fact that they come
to this country and see African Americans a certain way,

(42:41):
which is weird to me because, like I said, they
all try to emulate us, like, not some but all
of them, which is weird, right, So, and then you're
talking about individuals like it's almost a right right of
passage when you come into this country. It's like it's

(43:06):
the mob mentality. So in other words, you know, for example,
the kid that gets bullied, right, so you come in
and because everybody is bullying the kid, then you want
to join in the bully because you don't want that bullying.

Speaker 9 (43:24):
To turn to you. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (43:28):
And so a lot of times, I mean it's it's
basically a sensor of survival, yeah, you know what I mean.
And then when they come into this country, they see
how things are done and how you know, things happen,
and how they do things. But I don't think they
understand the reasons behind all of that, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Sure, I mean, but they're honestly just doing what a
lot of you know, people who were raised, you know,
born and raised they are doing. Like if you look
at other communities, whether it be like the Indian community
or certain Asian communities or things like that, like you'll
see them try to assimilate into whiteness and white supremacy.

(44:10):
You know, I've seen that many a time. You know,
I feel like once again, and black people, I feel
like I said this last week, are just like special
and the uniqueness fact that like we're the only race
I feel like that had it's not able to detach
ourselves from our culture to assimilate into white supremacy successfully.

(44:30):
I think we're the only group and race that can do.
I've seen Asian people do it. I've seen you know
people do it. The only group of people that can't
cling to whiteness as a way to like save us
or a way to just advance eventually. You know, you
see certain people who they let in, but usually it's
it's they're using those people to control, you know what
I'm saying. So if you see a you know, uh,

(44:52):
my boor House, whether they passed away Herman Kane and
you see you know, uh, what's what was my man's name?
Aarence Thomas, like guys like that. They'll let a few in,
but it's usually to just as a representation thing, you know,
as the token black person who they can say, oh no,
look we let this person in. But you know, and

(45:12):
they'll see the benefits, but it's nothing that advances anybody.
So like those the immigrants see that, you know, and
I understand why, you know, they try and assimilate the
same way. But once again, for the black community, it
just continues to leave us isolated.

Speaker 10 (45:28):
So I think what's interesting now is it basically now
that this immigration situation is going on, then you have
which part of our title is talking about the black diaspora.
Now I wonder how they're going to act, you know
what I mean when it comes to the issue about
trying to determine whether they're you know, the citizens or not,

(45:50):
or whether they're going to have issues with immigration.

Speaker 9 (45:54):
I mean, you know, I mean, I think that.

Speaker 10 (45:59):
The immigration policy that we have in this country is
a policy that's also very you know, racist, you know,
when it comes to making a determination as to who's
going to get and how they're going to treat it
be treated as they go through, which we're going to
see that as we're seeing with the immigration the way
they're picking people up.

Speaker 9 (46:20):
I mean, they're not going to pick up a white immigrant.

Speaker 10 (46:22):
That overstate their visa or someone who looks a certain way,
as you were saying, those who could pass. They're only
going to pick up people who look a certain way,
and they're really primarily going after people who are Hispanic
without questions, and so if you happen to look that way,
I mean, and just think about the implications of that. Now,
if they're going after people of the diaspora, then why

(46:45):
can't they stop me or you? Right, because I mean,
if you're if you're going, I mean, it's it's at
the end, it's it's really the ultimate profiling.

Speaker 9 (46:59):
In order. I mean, how can you Why is it
that you're.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
Only going to Hispanic communities primarily, or certain communities where
you're gonna primarily find these individuals and you're going in
and comeback gear and you're just picking these individuals up
and then you're gonna make a decision afterwards as to
whether they have citizenship or not. Because we're not really
walking around with our citizenship papers. I mean, we're you know,

(47:23):
we were born here.

Speaker 9 (47:24):
But there's no way.

Speaker 10 (47:25):
I mean, of course, you got a passport, but nobody
walks around with the passport. But if they're stopping you
and you're showing people the passport, first of all, they
have no probable cause to stop you anyone just because
they're looking at you and they see that you may
look like you may be someone who is not primarily
a white American. That's really what we're rolling into. So

(47:52):
I mean, I mean as far I mean, I'm not
backing away from my position from last week of saying
that I belie believe that you know, we should step up,
and I don't think that. I mean, and there's different ways.
I'm not going to condemn anyone who goes out and
decide that they want to help people who happen to
be immigrants, because I've spent a large part of my

(48:14):
professional career helping immigrants correct in my profession as an
immigration attorney. And you know, they come to me to
help them, and I've been helping them way before any
of this happened. I mean, I've been helping them for
almost twenty years, including people from the black diaspora and

(48:36):
all over the world, you know, in that process. So
you know, I mean, I think that you know, they
got sellouts to in their communities, and I think their
sellouts are waking up, like, for example, you know, some
of them who are born in this country kind of

(48:58):
like look down on other Hispanics who are not born
in this country.

Speaker 9 (49:03):
But now with this birthright.

Speaker 10 (49:04):
Situation where it's like, yeah, you was born here, we
might come get you to exactly you know what I mean,
because they say in the same thing, we just followed
the law. And then if they snatched them up and
say we want to send you back, then you know
what they're gonna say, I'm sorry, you got to go.
So you know, that's kind of the way that we're

(49:25):
looking at it. But anyway, getting back onto one of
the things that we asked a question last week, and
I'm going to answer that question. The question is not
last week, but we've always asked this question about you know,
I was asked this question. I did this interview for
this publication that I'm not going to mention right now.

(49:47):
I don't know how they're going to write up the article.
But the question was what do you do or what
is it that we can do about discrimination of racism?

Speaker 11 (49:57):
Now?

Speaker 10 (49:57):
Was like the worst time to ever ask that question
with the administration that we have right now, because I
don't think there would ever you know, we're not going
to get any illegitimate efforts to do that. But I mean,
I think that what we have to do when it
comes to black people and something no matter what has
been done the only way that they could technically get

(50:19):
rid of racism, in which you never get rid of racism.
But how do you address it? I guess I should
say you'll never get rid of it, But how should
it be addressed? I think it should be addressed the
same way that we deal with And we've said this before.

Speaker 9 (50:34):
Any other crisis.

Speaker 10 (50:36):
I think that the repercussions of being doing anything that
would be that would be deemed discriminatory towards black people
should have severe consequences. And it doesn't have to have
It doesn't even have to be intentional. It can even
have that impact. In other words, if you happen to

(50:58):
be a judge or a prosecutor who has numbers that
clearly show that black people are subjected to longer sentences, charges, prosecution,
or anything like that as opposed to other groups. I
think that the penalty should be like the Rico penalty.

(51:20):
I think that why don't you treat mistreating black people
the same way you treat freak offs. I would love
for them to go after races the same way they
go after Diddy for baby oil.

Speaker 9 (51:34):
You see what I'm saying, So, in.

Speaker 10 (51:36):
Other words, you know it's amazing how the federal government
takes that what happened with him, or even what happened
with r. Kelly, and you know, goes after with guns
blazing because they say, that's terrible what.

Speaker 9 (51:51):
Those individuals are doing.

Speaker 10 (51:53):
But then for how long do we watch like a
TV series of black men being shot in the back,
you know, when they were unarmed, or people putting knees
on people's neck. You know what I'm saying that was.
You know, they put him in a situation, in the
situation with that we saw in Minnesota with George Floyd.

(52:17):
That just happened to Bend COVID and everybody saw it.
So he got convicted and he got some time, which
I don't think he got enough time. I think that
not only should that person get it, the chief of
police for the city for that city should have went
to prison too, right, because this is what we know.

(52:38):
We know that George that that uh, what's the name
of the guy's name, the one that put the knee
on his neck show, Yeah, Derek Shavin Shovin. We know
that he was a field training officer. We know that
there had been many complaints about him mistreating people. We
know that they obviously allowed him number one to be
on the street as a police but number two training

(53:01):
other police officers. In fact, three of the other police
officers were new officers. So I think that everybody could
get it even and then every time something like that
happens and the chief of police go says, you know,
will we you know, I'm against it, the mayor, I'm
against it, I think go after them.

Speaker 9 (53:18):
Do make it a Rico.

Speaker 10 (53:20):
Statue of a statue, right, do the same type the
same intensity that they that they went after P Diddy.
Let's go after people who missed, who do things to us.
If there's a judge who we find out is sentencing
black people to more years than white people, then they
should reco his his body, right, we should reco the

(53:43):
the everybody down the line that's involved in that. If
we find that there's a if there's a prosecutor that's
doing it, let's go after the deputy deputy DA and
the district attorney with the same type of intensity. And
until we we treat the mistreatment of black people, which

(54:04):
is as you know, it's like how we got like
you got people, Okay, letsten I get it, you know,
like I see I saw this white lady going off
about what happened that he got off right? Okay, My
thing is, well, won't you have did you have that
same intensity when it comes to us and our mistreating

(54:25):
treating the way you know, there's states where we make
up like our locations, where we make up like five
ten percent of the population and over fifty percent of
the prison population. I think that if that exists, then
it's a crisis, you know what I'm saying. So then
what do they do when as a crisis they talk

(54:45):
about building boys and girls club in the hood. They
need somewhere to go, you know what I'm saying. No,
what you need to do is everybody that's connected to it,
and that's the biggest rico in the world, the biggest
racketeering is the one that's been done against us, and

(55:05):
everybody that's involved.

Speaker 9 (55:07):
In it should get it correct. And if you're not
going to get it, then whatever.

Speaker 10 (55:11):
But then at the same time, then you know you
want us to you know, our black people happy because
PDD he got off Our black people happy because Bill
Cosby got out of jail. Are black people happy because
OJ got off?

Speaker 9 (55:26):
Right?

Speaker 10 (55:27):
Black people aren't happy to see criminal people who are
accused of crimes not convicted. Black people are so sick
and tired of the system mistreating people that any type
of we know how they do people, and to the
very least as they do symbolic stuff that's symbolic to us,

(55:47):
you know what I mean, because it works against us
so much that anytime that we see that there's any
degree of in a justice system that gives us any
room without putting your knee on our neck, then there
is some degree of saying, you know, you're so disgusted

(56:07):
and so fed up with the system that you know,
you just get tired of it. And that's just the
way I see it. I'm like, if you want to
get rid of it, don't show me, Like, don't you know.
I'm cool with the museums. I'm cool with giving a
little money this place and giving a little money that place.
I'm cool with, you know, putting some black people on
some stamps. I'm cool with giving certain money to certain organizations.

(56:32):
But what I'm real cool with is make everyone in
this country, if you're serious about it, who is in
any way involved in any discriminatory conduct, whether it's unintentional
or unintentional, right, and make them, pay ye do the

(56:53):
same thing that you did. We should be sitting around
looking at TV saying, man, they got a Rico on
so and so, because you know, we found out that
the unit that the studio has been doing Black people wrong, right,
so much so that they've taken their artistic creations, their

(57:14):
artistic contributions, and they've taken them away from people like
the same what Diddy is doing to those people.

Speaker 9 (57:22):
Studios have been doing.

Speaker 10 (57:24):
That and to artists forever, know what I'm saying. And
they had like Diddy is the new guy that did it.
Now all these studios have done it. I was watching
how they talked about I don't know how true it was,
but how the Shaft and some of these other sitcoms

(57:44):
that they came out with actually saved these networks. And
actually how Norman Lear did not create the Jeffersons did
not create Good Times that somebody else created that, and
this guy has nothing, and they steal our artistic value.

(58:05):
And I think that's Greco. That's stealing someone's you know,
you know, their their artistic creations, right. So, I mean
that's how we deal with it. If you want to
make me happy, if you want to know how to
deal with it. Let's start recoding them.

Speaker 9 (58:24):
Right.

Speaker 10 (58:25):
If you if you own a store and they find
out that you're mistreating certain individuals who come in your store,
I think you should be charged criminally. I think that's
a rico. Not only you should be charged, but anybody
everybody to send your store that does it all the
way down the line, right, So that's what we need.
That's what they trafficking us. What PDD did is nothing,

(58:48):
is nothing compared to what they.

Speaker 9 (58:49):
Do to us on a daily basis. Bis So whon't
we recod them?

Speaker 10 (58:55):
That's you're gonna impress me and make me, you know happy,
then that's what we need to do.

Speaker 9 (59:00):
That's the kind of reco we need. We need to
reco like that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (59:09):
Everybody all the way down the line. Yeah, everybody, everybody
can get it.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
That's what we need to do.

Speaker 10 (59:21):
And that money they taken away from at HBCUs like
Tennessee State, all that money to Tennessee Old TSU. Come on, man,
that's recall. Somebody needs to go to prison for that.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
They're trying to take that.

Speaker 9 (59:33):
Yeah whatever, but.

Speaker 10 (59:34):
Anyway, man, see I get hot at the end, but
at any rate, We'll appreciate everybody for tuning in. We'll
see you next week, same place, same time, and until
that time, stay blessed.

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