KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali (Sun, 20 Jul, 2025)

KCAA: Justice Watch with Attorney Zulu Ali on Sun, 20 Jul, 2025

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Thank you for tuning in for this edition of Justice
Watch with Attorneys zulu Wa Lee. Attorney Zulua Lee with
the Justice Watch crew goes of newty as Michael blau Park,
doctor Kilbasher, Andrew Rodeman, and Ryan Rhoades. This week, like
every week, we'll be discussing critical legal and social justice
issues that are impacting our community. Wow. Uh did you

(05:41):
have you been keeping up with the recommendation on that
Breonna Taylor situation? Yeah? D check whether the Department of
Justice is recommending what one day?

Speaker 10 (05:52):
One day?

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, it's crazy man, And uh, you know, just to
go back. I mean obviously this was back in mar
of twenty twenty. Breonna Taylor, a twenty six year old
African American woman, was fatally shot in the Louisville, Kentucky,
apartment when at least seven police officers forced entry into

(06:13):
the apartment as part of an investigation into alleged drug
dealing operations. Three of the Louisville Police Department officers, Jonathan Mattingly,
Brett Hankinson, and Miles Cosgrove were Crosgrove were involved in
the shooting. Taylor's boyfriend Kenneth Walker was inside the apartment

(06:37):
with her when the plane closed. Officers knocked on the
door and then forced entry. The officer said that they
announced themselves as police officers before forcing entry, but Walker
said he did not hear any announcement and thought that
the officers were intruders. Walker fired his gun in the
direction of the officers and what he said was a

(06:58):
warning shot. Shot hit Maddingly in the leg, and the
officers fired thirty two shots in return. Walker was unhurt,
but Taylor was hit by six bullets and died. And
during the incident, Hankinson moved to the side of the
apartment and shot ten bullets through a covered window and

(07:20):
glass door and in According to the police, Taylor's home
was never searched. Walker was charged with assault and attempted
murder of police officers, but the charges were dismissed with
prejudice a year later. In June twenty twenty, the police
department fired Hackinson for blindly firing through the covered patio

(07:41):
door window of Taylor's apartment, and in September, the city
of Louisville agreed to pay Taylor's family twelve million dollars
and reform police practices. Costgrove was determined to have fired
the fatal shot that killed Taylor. Further, in September, straight

(08:02):
state grand jury indicted Hankinson on three counts of felony
first degree want an engagement endangerment for endangering Taylor's neighbors
with his shots. In October, recordings from the grand jury
investigation into the shooting were released. Two of the jurors
released a statement saying that the grand jury was not

(08:25):
presented with homicide charges against the officers. Several jurors have
also accused Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron and the police
of covering up what happened. On March three, twenty twenty two,
Hackinson was acquitted of the endangerment charges in Kentucky versus Hankinson.

(08:48):
On August fourth, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced the Department
of Justice was charging Hackinson with the unconst unconstitutional use
of excessive force that violated Taylor's civil rights. Hankinson's federal
trial began in October twenty three and concluded as a
mistrial in November twenty three. A retrial took place in

(09:11):
October twenty twenty four, and on November one, twenty twenty four,
Hankinson was found guilty of violating Taylor's civil rights civil
rights through the use of excessive force. Three other officers,
Kyle Mayney, Joshua James, and Kelly Gottlet, who were not

(09:33):
president at the shooting, were federally charged with conspiracy, obstruction
of justices, and civil rights violations for conspiring to mislead
the judge who approved the search warrant on Walker's house,
then covering it up. Gottlet pled guilty on two council
of conspiracy. Maney and James pled not guilty to all charges.

(09:56):
On August of twenty second, twenty twenty four, Charles Simpson
dismissed two felony deprivation of rights under the color of
law charges against James and Maney, effectively reducing the civil
rights violation charges against them the two misdemeanors. Just Simpson
found that Walker's actions had ultimately disrupted the officer's execution

(10:21):
of the search warrant and led to the police shooting back.
Thus his actions had resulted in Taylor's death, not the
warant itself. Judge Simpson refused to dismiss the remaining charges,
a charge of issuing a false statement to federal investigators
against many and charges of conspiracy to falsify records, falsifying

(10:42):
records and federal investigation, and witness tampering. And then so
now that we have ultimately a conviction against her killer,
then the issue is going to be that the recommendation

(11:03):
because obviously, typically what happens is once an individual is convicted,
then they do sentencing briefs where they basically recommend, you know,
what the punishment should be, and in this particular case,
they the Department of Justice is recommending basically house arrest,

(11:28):
and so you know, I mean, I think that it
just boils down too. You know, it's the same old,
it's the same old, same. I mean, you know, they're
charging these individuals, and it's it's not unusual for the
states to go these officers involved in these unjustified and

(11:51):
these unjustified murders of citizens to end up getting you know,
not guilty and hung juries, especially hung juries, and state
courts oftentimes you know, being full out of acquittals, and
then the federal government comes in, you know, to do
their civil rights situation, and typically you know, it's kind

(12:14):
of somewhat what I what I feel is somewhat of
a slap on the wrist, and it boils down to
the issue of what's always been is? It all boils
down to why is it that these things keep happening?
And it just boils down to accountability. There really isn't
any kind of accountability in these actions. And these the

(12:36):
people who are trusted within the government as it relates
to policing and relates to the legal system, you know,
are oftentimes are generally most of the time are in
held completely accountable for what they do. And that's always

(12:59):
can continually the continually the problem. Regular citizens are always
held to a higher standard than law enforcement officers and
judicial officers. And I think that, you know, we really
and that's just you know, the the corruption that goes.

(13:21):
And I say the word corruption because why would looking
at a situation like this where clearly the warrant was
presented based upon improper information to begin with. So then

(13:44):
you have these individuals who, due to their recklessness and
just outright criminal manner in which they got these warrants,
then they go out and get individual duals who are
serving a warrant, ultimately killing an innocent person. And nobody

(14:07):
really is held accountable for that. That seems crazy, and
it is crazy, and it still goes back to the
issue of accountability the judges who are involved in this,
as well as you know, the way in which the
prosecutors prosecute these cases. I don't believe that they go

(14:28):
after these officers with the same intensity that they do obviously,
you know, a regular civilian. This is continually a problem
I have. You know, it's just baffling to me how
we still continue to believe in these individuals. Hey, look,

(14:53):
I'm telling you it's still I shouldn't be surprised and shocked,
but I'm really surprised and shocked at these individuals and
the way in which they they prosecute these cases. You know,

(15:16):
we really have within our system of justice. I believe
that clearly we're losing. And I don't know how you
felt about it throughout your life, but I believe that

(15:37):
many of us. I had drank the kool aid at
some point in my life, especially in my younger days
as a kid and as a teen, believing that I
held these people in high esteem. I felt like, this
is the government, and these are individuals that have a
sense of integrity, that is you know, beyond the the

(16:03):
you know, corruption, at least for most of these individuals.
I always knew that there was some degree of corruption.
But what really takes me back is the integrity that
these individuals have versus their ego is mind boggling. Right. So,

(16:30):
I mean, this is the point that I'm trying to
make so that I can be clear, because sometimes maybe
I'm speaking in codes or fragments. But the point that
I'm trying to make is that if I'm a prosecutor, well,
first of all, let's begin by law enforcement. We would

(16:54):
like to believe that law enforcement offices. You remember what's
the name of the show where it had the two detectives,
and it was what's the name of that show, Joe.
You know, just the facts, ma'am, Dragnet. So you know,

(17:14):
you would have somewhat of the Dragnet idea of law enforcement,
where you have two stoic law enforcement officers who were
only concerned with getting the truth. They carried themselves with dignity,
they carried themselves with values, they carried themselves with respect,

(17:37):
and they were somewhat above the average person when it
came to the way that they conducted their business because
they raised their right hand, and they took an oath,
and our lives were in their hands. Exactly what has
come to like, you know, in a made your way,

(18:01):
is that they're so flawed because I mean, there's no
perfect human, but the degree of their character and what
they would be willing to do so. In other words,
if I go into a community, right and I see

(18:28):
someone who I feel is let's say a black young
man with wearing his pants down, wearing clothing let's say
a hoodie and let's just say a hat, then I

(18:55):
would feel that because he's black with a hoodie with
a hat, that that would give me an opportunity to
treat him different than anyone else, and I would feel

(19:16):
justified in doing so because he looks that way, you
see what I mean. And then when I go when
I deal with him, I'm going to deal with him
in a different way because I'm going to say, look,
you look like that, you're dressed like that, he's black,
that I'm going to you know that gives me the
right to treat him a different way. Now you might say, well,

(19:39):
you know what, he shouldn't be dressed like that. He
shouldn't be looking like that. And if you look like that,
then you should expect to be treated that way. The
response would be no, No, The response would be that
he should be treated the same way that anybody else
is treated.

Speaker 10 (19:58):
Yeah, you see what I mean.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
But we feel like it's okay. Not only do we
feel like it's okay, not only do law enforcement feel
like it's okay, but the community in general is fine
with certain people being treated a certain way because they
look a certain way, and that's where it begins. Now,
the reality of it is, in my opinion, is that

(20:23):
there's a culture where they feel like that's okay. Right.
So if you feel like I'm just because that's the
whole point, the reason why someone in uniform would treat
someone like that differently for no apparent reason other than
the way that they appear being a suspicious person, then

(20:48):
basically you have an individual, like most people who enter
into the profession, who don't know how to deal with
power because they're not They are weak people. They need
to it's their ego, right, So this gives me an
opportunity to carry out this unrighteous idea against this person,

(21:15):
and we think it's okay, and it's not okay. So
that's kind of where it begins. So now you get
this individual, you arrest him, you know, so you charge
him for whatever reason. Maybe he got some weed on him,
or maybe you know something's going on, so you you

(21:36):
arrest them. He's asking you questions, You're beating the brakes
off of him. Now all of a sudden, there's an assault. Right,
So now he now you're now you. He goes into
the system, He goes in front, goes with the prosecutor.
Now the prosecutor is going to read what the police

(21:57):
officer says, and whatever the police officer says the majority
of the time, then they're just gonna charge that person
based at least with what the officer charged him with.
Are probably for more. Now that you got this individual
who's been charged for more than what he should and

(22:18):
nobody really cares that he was mistreated, you know, because
the prosecutor and the police officers they know each other.
They have good relationships. Hey John, how are you doing?
Are you going on vacation? How are things doing? So
you have that relationship, right, So in other words, you're

(22:38):
not gonna question so there is no filter exactly right,
because I'm saying, okay, this is the way they feel
and I mean for me, I was in this. I
worked in the system for a while, and I don't
I never felt comfortable because there's in the situation where

(23:00):
they feel like these relationships that they have within the system,
they're protecting each other. Right, So the prosecutor is not
gonna check the cop because you're gonna set a counsel's
table with me. We're gonna work on cases together, and

(23:20):
we're gonna get the situation done, no matter whether you're
right or wrong. Now you know in which I think
is wrong. I think that there should be a clear
line between each person within the criminal justices. I think
the judges should should treat prosecutors the way that they
treat everybody else, and not as soon because it's in

(23:43):
the courthouse. And I saw you at the Christmas party,
and I gave you you. You came into the prosecutor's office.
What school did you go to? Here's my business card,
Give me a car, give me a holler. If you
need anything, I'm here to help you right now. You
don't see this on a daily basis, but you know

(24:03):
Judges so and so's retirement party, Judge so and so's birthday,
Prosecutors so and so's retirement. All these people are co
workers to a certain extent. Right. Then you have the
situation where the same way with police officers. Police officers

(24:24):
come in, I've worked together, I know this particular officer.
Then you have a prosecutor. Then you have the prosecutors
not questioning the police, you have the judge not questioning
the police, and you've created this system that is that
is biased nature corrupt. You've got to take the judge,
the prosecutor, the police, and you have to get to

(24:46):
put them in a space where they do not feel
like they are they have they have to stroke each
other's back. You see what I'm saying. You know all
you went to USC, I would you went to USC?
Prosecutor I went to USC, right or you know those

(25:07):
those types of relationships. So it is biased nature corrupt exactly.
You know what I mean? Because now as I'm setting
there as a judge or the prosecutor setting there prosecuting
an individual, the you know, they're there to work with

(25:29):
a common with a common goal, and the common goal
is to make sure that everybody is protected and that
this individual is prosecuted. And there is absolutely no accountability
in our government at all, and that is the reason

(25:50):
why that it is a very flawed system. And you
this is the thing, bro, if you had a friend
who was a police officer or worked in the court
system and something happened, you would call this person with

(26:14):
the ideas like I got a cousin that works with
the DA's office, right, And because I got a cousin
that works with the DA's office, I'll give them a
call and then they'll give you the hookup or tried.
I'm not saying they could, but they would give you
that impression. And if they could, they would, you see
what I mean? And the same thing when it comes

(26:40):
to the issue, and I'm going to say this man,
I mean I think that we also if you want
to get into the system and you want to be
a person that calls the balls and strikes, you cannot
let your emotion be involved in calling the balls and strikes.

(27:05):
And I think that something whether you're talking about man,
woman or otherwise. And you know, sometimes you know people

(27:25):
they're too emotional, so in other words, you know they
they it's it's it's amazing how somebody can you know,
they watch Judge Judy and they feel like they can
get on the bench and they can act their judicial
demeanor is like judge judy or like you know, a
prosecutor that gets that becomes a prosecutor, and they feel

(27:50):
some sort of way because you're not rubbing their back
and and being their friend, you know, during this process,
because you are there to protect uh, we're there to
protect our you know, there to protect the uh uh
your friends or the officers or that sort of thing.

(28:14):
The way that we change it, because I see that
Miguel asked, uh, we can't change it, is that basically
now we may not be I mean, I don't think
that this is the problem, and I believe this wholeheartedly.
I believe this wholeheartedly. I believe that unless it's just

(28:39):
like what we have going on with the President of
the United States, is that we're slowly we don't we
don't need to change it because it's gonna change itself.
If every day I've never seen it this bad now
that we got social media and a lot more transparency,

(29:03):
not because they want to, but because they have to,
is that our children, Miguel aren't going to have the
same life or see the same world that we saw.
So the repercussion is that you're seeing the dismantling of

(29:31):
an empire right in front of your eyes. Eventually, people
aren't just going to deal with Eventually, we're just going
to be out in the street. You know, people aren't
going to keep taking this.

Speaker 9 (29:43):
So you're saying that the people that's coming behind us
are becoming more conscious to the fact.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
They're definitely more conscious to the fact. And nobody really nobody.
You know. It used to be that when you saw
someone in a like if you saw a judge, then
he was a judge. There was We lived in a
society where we at least thought there was some degree

(30:10):
of respect of the government. We thought they were beyond
We thought that these powerful people really were just great
people who really were about democracy. But what we found
out is that these people are no better than us

(30:32):
that to do that, like when you look if you
take the morality check, the morality check of everybody around
the system is very law. I can't sit here with
a good conscious to say I'm a prosecutor, I'm a
police officer, or I'm the one here to protect society
and not be completely fair and impartial. That I have

(30:59):
at we've realized is that whatever the agenda is that's
what's going to be the outcome. So the bottom line
that I'm saying is that basically, if you cannot see,
I mean, people have been saying this for your America's falling,
it's a falling empire. I'm telling you that I have

(31:24):
a one one hundred and ten percent belief that America
is destroying itself to the extent that it don't matter
what in other words, there's going to be It don't
matter who the judge is, the prosecutor is, the police
officer is. It ain't gonna matter who these people are.

(31:46):
That we have entered in a time where we are
not going to be a superpower and somebody else is
going to control us anyone. That's what I believe, and
I believe that the reason why it's getting that way
is because we have become not that we were ever morally,
completely morally taking the high ground. I believe that it's

(32:10):
just like the rubber, you know, when they say the rubber,
mister row right, your time is up. And I really
believe that. And it's sad, and I'm sad. I shouldn't be,
but I'm sad. I'm disappointed. I'm completely disappointed in our

(32:33):
judicial system. I'm so completely disappointed with you know, sometimes
when I go into court, I look mad, but I'm
not really mad. I'm really disappointed, And I'm disappointed because
the person the people who are involved in the system

(32:56):
are so flawed when it comes to do they really
care about justice or do they really care about getting
the job done right? And it's disappointing, you know, like
let's just say, for example, it's like, what do you
consider Let's just say, for example, you go to trial, right,

(33:18):
and let's just say the jury is it's hung nine
to three in your favor, but they try you again.
The DA decides, hey, I'm going to try you again
just despite the nine to three because they have not

(33:42):
because it's justice, it's because they have something to prove.
Or when they try to say, okay, I don't want
the jury to see certain things like I don't want
the jury to see that the officers shot you, right.
Or let's just say a situation where you know, where

(34:07):
there's a there's an issue with let's say the type
of charges that come against you. Let's just say, for example,
the charges aren't righteous or there's not enough evidence to
prove it, but they just want or even the jury.

(34:28):
You know what I'm saying. Whenever there's a jury and
when you look at the jury and someone says, hey,
I want to get this person off the jury because
they ask them questions that they don't ask anybody else.
You see what I'm saying, because you know, you get
up there. Let's just say it's someone who looks like
a conscious black person. You can't describe that, but you know,

(34:53):
you know what I'm saying. You know, when someone gets
up there and they're conscious and they're there, and this
is the this is the idea. So if I get
up on the jury and I called and you called
me up there, and you asked me, and I say, well,

(35:15):
I presume this person to be innocent, right, and I'm
going to expect that you prove your case beyond a
reasonable doubt, right, And you say, well, if I prove
my case, would you have any problems with finding the

(35:35):
defendant guilty? If you prove your case right? They don't
want that person. You see what I'm saying. And so
that and that's how it's that's how it all starts.
You see what I'm saying. Sometimes you can you know,

(35:59):
because I believe that you should have a diverse jurring.
So for example, there's a thing where if you are
if they feel like you're systematically kicking off certain types
of jurors, then you can file a motion. And if
you file the motion and it shows that basically you're

(36:22):
kicking them off, or at least it appears that you're
kicking them off for a reason that isn't for a
justifiable reason, then you should supposed to be able to
follow motion and keep the person on. I had a
situation where I kicked off I had an almost white

(36:47):
jerry panel and I had challenged a prosecutor for kicking
off a black jear who was clearly conscious, and there
wasn't that many there. So then I kicked off some

(37:12):
white jeerys because there was nobody else left in the
in a jury box, and they felt like I was
kicking off white people.

Speaker 9 (37:20):
Wow, huh huh wow.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
You so what I'm saying, You know what I mean?
So this is this is no accountability. That was purely
there was no justice in that. They were just like,
you know, we're gonna set this thing up. You see
what I'm saying. So clearly, the lady that was kicked
off the jury, and that's where it all fits together.

(37:45):
It seems like you're going in different ways, but ultimately
it all fits together. Man, you know what I mean?
And I think that let me ask you this question.
I don't know, I ain't even ask you a damn
question yet, but anyway, well, let me ask you this question.
Let's just say that in almost every situation, in almost

(38:07):
every jurisdiction, even in places where there's barely any black people,
that black people make up. Like let's just say you
go to certain states and I was watching on television
on YouTube where they were having all the states where
it's not good for black people to go, and there
was like the state where they're made up, like less

(38:30):
than ten percent of the black people lived in the state,
but it made up over fifty percent of the criminal
justices to the people in present. Wow, that's not unusual, right,
think about that. And so the question is going to
be how do you deal with that? The way you

(38:53):
deal with that is that is a freaking crisis. Right.
It's not time to say, well, we're going to put
more black judges on the bench, or we're going to
do critical race theory, or no. It is a freaking problem.

Speaker 10 (39:13):
Exactly.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
And the way you deal with it is that you
deal with it with all other things that you deal
with it the same way you deal with Homas. You
deal with it, the same way you deal with Iran.
You deal with it the same way you deal with
all the other crisis that you're dealing with. So when
you come into office and you say, we need to

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deal with the crisis that we have in this country,
and the number one crisis that you have in this
country is the way that foundational black people are treated
in America. That is the biggest crisis in America as
we speak. And the only thing that they want to
do for us is like give us a month or

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do some symbolic stuff. Nothing that has to do with
anything that has any teeth in it. So this is
what I think. It's just like numbers don't lie. I
would say, if you're prosecutor, and if the numbers show
that you prosecute more black people that you do anybody else,

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see you, you're in trouble. You're gone, right, yeah, Because
some things are based on some things are impact, and
some things are intent. If your policy is causing more
black people to be arrested, if your deputy goes out
there and unjustifiably kills someone, and you happen to be

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the sheriff or a police officer and a chief of police,
you're in trouble. You can go down for that. So
you would stop all that if you really wanted to,
and if it was really something you wanted to do.
When people say, well, how do you change the problem?
What do you do about it? It's easy. You do
about it the same way when Trump. When Donald Trump

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came into office and he said that immigration is a problem,
then he went and put money and resources at time
and he's going out here doing all kinds of stuff. Now, okay,
use that same intensity when it comes to the criminal
justice system, when it comes to the to the injustice
as it relates to foundational black people, you do the
same thing. You hold these people accountable. And the reality

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of it is, you want to know what needs to
be done. Either set on it or get off of it.
You know what I'm saying. I mean, either set on
it or get off of it. And that's why people
are walking around here just trying to figure out what
do I do about it? They don't know what to
tell them. If someone if me, and you had a
one hour show about what's going on with black people

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and the situation that's happening with black people. The response
is going to be, you know, how do we deal
with it? It's easy, It's a problem that can be fixed.
And the reality of it is is we have a
country that doesn't want to do anything about that. And
now we talk about this Breonna Taylor situation. Now you

(42:18):
want to tell me that you go in there and
you kill this innocent woman who did nothing wrong, and
you're going to suggest that he gets freaking one day day. Yeah,
and you spend all that time with Baby Ail and Diddy.
You see what I'm saying. I mean, it's just it's crazy.

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You took that person's life. You took her life, you
took her mother's life, you took everybody who loved her,
you took her away. And the only thing that you
can do is give this man a day. He's a
police officer. Say, well, he's a police officer. He makes mistakes. Well,
everybody makes mistakes. Did he make a mistake? Yeah, But

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you don't say, well, man, you know, you know understand
the ror of your ways. We're gonna give you bail
and let you go home. That's not what they do. Yeah,
you see what I'm saying, you know. And so people
make mistake and kill police officers, People make mistakes and
kill their friends, people make mistakes and kill their enemies,
you know. But they tell everybody to be accountable except

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the people who are supposed to be held to the
highest level.

Speaker 10 (43:31):
Yeah, but Zulu, what does that say?

Speaker 9 (43:34):
What does that say by them coming out and saying
that we're going to give him one day and three
years house arrests? I mean, what does that say a
by putting it out there like that. I mean, it's
it's a blatant slapping the face, of course, but you
don't have to say one day. You could have just
said three years house arrests. But what does the people
read into something like that when you said I'm gonna

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give you one day?

Speaker 10 (43:57):
What does the family? How is the I mean to me,
it's like to incite.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you something that was told to
me when I was a police officer by a judge
who's cool. I'm cool with him, at least I was
cool with him when I wore uniform. He told me

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in my court, you're guilty until you prove your innocence.
That's what he told me. And at that time, you know,
I'm a police officer, he's a judge. We're hanging out.
This is what he's saying, because we watched each other's back. See,
when you become when everybody wants power and have political clout,

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everybody wants to believe. So everybody wants to believe that
even within the system that I have this type of clout,
a judge wants to believe. He's not want to. Why
would a judge want to create issues with a police officer? Right?
Why would because first of all, he runs for judge.

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Second of all, he wants the backing of the what
do you call the people? What's the police union? The
same thing with the district attorney. You want to be
able to call the district attorney and tell them, hey,
you know I need I need a solid See, that's

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how this really works.

Speaker 10 (45:32):
It's just the whole system.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
It's just the whole system of people. Basically, why do
you want to badge? And why do you want a gun? Right?
Would you be a police officer if they tell you
to do it without a gun? You know what I'm saying.
I mean, why would you want to be your DA's
get badges? Why it's it's power. And when they get

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the power, they use it. They use it for everything.
If you're a DA. And I knew someone who was
married to a DA and they they said that she
would say some god awful things to him about how
she would get a restraining order against him. Who are
you gonna I'm a DA? You know what I mean?

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I have you you know what I mean. That's that's
the power trip that people are on. And there's a
lot of people like that. Women too, Yeah, you know
what I'm saying, you know, and men, but women too.
Now you know, they've they've been able to do to
what we've done in the Civil Rights Act. They've been
put into those positions. But that don't help nobody else.

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That you're a woman, You're supposed to be a minority,
but you're going you got the heaviest hand that there
is an emotional heavy hand. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah,
so you know, I mean it's crazy. But then going
back to I'm fearious about what happened in that Breonna

(47:03):
Taylor situation because at the end of the day, nobody
is being held accountable in her life. You know, twelve
million dollars is not gonna solve that. I mean, what
about somebody else. You've sent it out a message to

(47:23):
the community. You're sending out the message to other police officers.
You see what I'm saying. Yeah, it's it's a mess.

Speaker 9 (47:30):
But even the twelve million dollars, it's not coming from
the it's not coming from the people who were.

Speaker 10 (47:35):
Responsible, coming from the community exactly.

Speaker 9 (47:38):
And so if it came from them, then it would
make a big difference. And I think that was one
of the things that was proposed a long time ago
that whenever cops go out and they kill innocent people,
if they.

Speaker 10 (47:52):
Were liable, you know, if they were liable.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
If it came out of their pocket.

Speaker 9 (47:57):
Yeah, if it came out there, then they would think
about before pull that trigger so fast.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yeah, the taxpayer is paying for a lot. Why don't
we touch on that situation when we talk when we
talk to the.

Speaker 10 (48:07):
President, when we talk to the president, Yeah, when.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
The president addresses us, why don't we Why ain't that
on the agenda? So, you know, I'm really hot about
that Breonna Taylor Taylor situation.

Speaker 10 (48:20):
Man, Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
I mean I just think, you know, but at the
same time, I'm not necessarily surprised, but you know, we've
become even numb to it. I mean, of course, I'm
sure there's going to be some protests. It might be
some protests and then it goes out of the way.
But you know, ultimately, you know, I don't think that

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we're willing to do what we should do when it
comes to dealing with something like that. I mean, it's just.

Speaker 10 (48:53):
But you said, at some point it's going to turn
on itself.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I mean, for.

Speaker 9 (48:58):
Sure, But does that mean that the generation that we
speak of now are going to deal with it totally
different the way we deal with I mean, of course
they're conscious to the fact, but in terms of their
actions or their approach of how to deal with it,
do you think that it's gonna because it's going to
turn in do you think that they're going to deal
with it a little bit totally different than the way

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we deal with it.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
I don't think they're even going to have an opportunity
to deal with it. I don't think they're going to
be able to have an opportunity to deal with it.
When I say that this country is going to be
in a situation. I mean, that's what I mean, a
situation where the country is not going to be a
we're going to be powerless hm hm to deal with it,

(49:41):
That's what I think, because of where we're going. I mean,
that's just the way I said. I just feel like
we're just we're just on a you know, a really
fast way to the wrong way, you know what I mean.
And then all I mean, instead of improving that, we're
going backwards in many different ways. So I mean, it's

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it's it's a it's a real, you know, sad situation.
I know. And you know it's another thing too, is
that basically you know, and the energy that we have
by the masses, it's crazy because you know, everybody is

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giving up, you know what I mean. And I and
and that's the problem is what you know, It's like
when you give those I mean, what are people going to?
People just feel powerless and then they just go and
they don't do anything, you know what I mean.

Speaker 9 (50:45):
It's a lot of internal strife, you know, a lot
of internal strife. I mean, I can remember a time
where you had the parties of course, the Democrats and
the Republicans, but it was more on a a political
level where you had your disagreements. But I think now

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because of the President and the chaos that he brought
to this country, it has aggravated the situation so bad
to where now we see ourselves in America as two
opposing forces against each other in a more aggregated I
mean agg aggravated sense. Is that I don't like, I

(51:26):
literally hatred. I mean that's the way I see it now.
It's literally people fighting out on the street because of
you know, politic political views.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
It's just like yeah, I mean and also I say that,
I mean why, I mean, you know, we don't need no,
we don't need no later in the black community. I mean,
that's not what we need. I mean, we just need
to and all this negative energy.

Speaker 10 (51:53):
Man.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
I mean, I'm the type person I can't I don't
like negative energy. And if there's if there's a way
to deal with it, there's ways to deal with it.
But you know, they do these types of things to
make you feel powerless. I don't feel powerless, to be
honest with you, I feel sorry for them, because you

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know what I mean, I feel sorry. I feel sorry
for someone who is in a position like that, who
it's like that has that type of mental attitude. If
I was to wear a robe, which I don't want
to wear a robe, but if I was to wear
a robe, I would never do that. The prosecutors who

(52:39):
have issues, if I was a prosecutor, I never do
what they did. As a police officer, I never did
what some police officers do. I never did that, you
know what I mean, because I never really had to.
It wasn't just in me. But I think that you
have some people who if you give them that, they're

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just so weak and sorry that they don't know how
to deal with power. But in their minds they think
they have it. You see what I'm saying. I mean,
you know, I mean that's just and I know that
they feel like, well, I'm doing sir, I've chosen what

(53:20):
I'm doing for the community. Maybe I have me a
ment have a mentee, right, But nothing you do in
this world ever compensates for misdoing bad things to other people.

(53:42):
You see what I'm saying, And the fact that it's
not like someone did it's like someone did something wrong
and I'm going to make them pay to the felix
extent of the law. To me, that is a that's
the wrong attitude, because what you're doing is you're treating
someone different rent than somebody else that's been similarly situated,

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and you made like, for example, let's just say I'm
a prosecutor and I like your attitude. So because I
like your attitude, I want to do a solid for you.
But let's say I'm a prosecutor and I don't like
your attitude, then I I'm gonna make it hell for you.
I mean, I've just seen some just like crazy people.

Speaker 10 (54:28):
And the way it makes it.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Seem it's just absolutely crazy. I've had people say it's
just unbelievable. Man.

Speaker 10 (54:37):
But let me ask you this question though.

Speaker 9 (54:38):
Okay, so we know this system exists, right, do you
think that going before a judge and you have the
prosecutor and you have the police all there, do you
think before do you think they even listen to the
facts of the case or they already have made up
in their mind.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
They haven't made they haven't made up their mind. They
have it, they haven't made up in their mind. The
system is like this, this is what I do every day,
and I'm trying to make it's overcrowded. There's too many
cases there's too many people getting in trouble, and then
I'm just going to just, you know, let this system

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play out. You see what I'm saying, because see this
is what I'm saying. Why aren't prosecutors coming with this,
you know, why aren't prosecutors and people within Why would
our judicial justice system sit there and let all this
stuff happen? Yeah, why would somebody even be cool with
the with the Department of Justice saying something like that?

(55:42):
I mean, think about that. Why would you feel why
why if the if somebody within the Department of just
why aren't prosecutors angry when police officers are involved in
these shootings?

Speaker 10 (55:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:55):
Huh. You don't see that unless unless you somebody like
there K Chauvin, who did what he did and the
prosecutor came out, I mean, not the chief came out.
But this is the problem. The chief had knew that
the guys has had complaints against him throughout his entire career,
and he never did anything about it. But like I said,

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I mean, it just boils down to accountability and holding
these people accountable. So some people have to wake up
and realize, you know that they you know, there's a
problem man, And the problem is the system.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
I just I can't fantom you going into court room
thinking like that. That's what I'm trying to, like, like grass, like,
how do you this is a battle?

Speaker 10 (56:44):
I mean it's a serious battle.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Yeah, I mean for me, I mean going into the
courtroom and dealing with these people. I mean, like I said,
there's cool prosecutors and there's cool judges. I can tell
I can tell you that what a person would be
like without the power, because a person who is really

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that person aren't going to treat you that way.

Speaker 10 (57:23):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
I'm just telling you we have it. You know. I'm
just telling you that it attracts people because you you know,
the system, the occupations would power attract powerless people.

Speaker 10 (57:38):
Wow right, yeah, wow, I'm trying to Yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Need I mean you wanted. I mean like when I
remember when I was a police officer, there was a
kid that was, well not a kid, but a man
who became a police officer. I remember what he was
like in high school, but he was, you know, and
then what type of police officer he was. Yeah, you
see what I'm saying. And it made sense cause it's

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almost like in religion, the person who is the strictest
in their religion, always did the biggest dirt in the
strict right you ever understand, You're right, the person who
does the is the strictest person is always person who
did the dirt, right. Yeah, it's the same thing with power.

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The most powerless person when they get power, they they
they use it the wrong way. Think you see what
I'm saying.

Speaker 10 (58:45):
I know people like that.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Yeah, it's like, you know, like I don't you know,
they're like, they don't do they're so strict. It's like, man,
you know, you know they they were Yeah, you know. Yeah,
it's it's the same thing when it comes to to
to power and people in powerful positions.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
I can just tell you when when a judge. I
knew judges who I knew a federal judge who was cool,
nicest guy in the world. I knew. He was a
colonel of a retired colonel in the Marine Corps.

Speaker 10 (59:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Right. But then you got somebody that went to went
to college, went to law school, kept his nose clean,
knew the right people, became a judge, and now he
has power. What did he do? He didn't do anything,
and he's prosecuting veterans. He's I'm just using it as

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he's prosecuting people who really have done everyday people who
are really doing certain that's a different story, and that's
that's that's actually. But any rate, man, I got I
did my therapy for today. I got that off my chest.
But anyway, all right now, seriously, I really appreciate everybody
for tuning in today. We'll see you next week, same time,

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same place, same channel, and until that time, stay blessed.